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130% turnout. How Biden's "ghosts" were chosen

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To begin with, a few numbers from the American vote from the public organization Judicial Watch. 130% - this was the turnout in the state of Alabama in Lowndes County. Observers simply compared the lists of voters with the number of citizens living on the territory who, by age, can elect a president. Remote Alaska was no exception - 111% of the voters. In Brian County, Georgia, they counted an extra 18% on top of the voter roll, and in Dallas County, Iowa, 15%. At the same time, neither the Constitutional Court nor the voters see anything prejudicial about this. How was this possible in the "most democratic" state?


The American nation has traditionally been distinguished by an amazing fusion of innovation and outspoken traditionalism. The situation with the presidential elections in the United States is indicative in this regard. Of course, Americans can be proud that since 1789 they have kept the electoral system practically unchanged, but the pitfalls in its foundation can drive any democrat crazy. It turns out that in a state so advocating for the world domination of democracy, the fundamental principle of "one citizen - one vote" is not respected. For example, in 2000, Al Gore received 0,51% more votes from the total electorate in the elections than George W. Bush. Nevertheless, as you know, it was Bush who stood at the head of the White House - he received 271 votes from the electors, and Gore only 266. Trump, who is now recoiling from defeat, in 2016 also came to power in a paradoxical way. Democrat Hillary Clinton got 2,8 million votes (or 2,1% of voters) more than her Republican opponent, but Trump was ahead of Clinton by 77 votes in electoral votes - 304 were cast for him. Maybe that's why he so upset by the current ratio of votes - after all, last time he won with an even greater majority of votes cast for the opponent. The situation when the US population actually voted for one candidate, and the electors for another, was only possible in the XNUMXst century. In the twentieth century, American democracy has never experienced anything like this.

The institution of electors itself appeared in the United States in connection with the illiteracy of the population of North America, which was quite common for the 538th century. In such a situation, any populists, as well as outright extremists, could easily fool the brains of voters and take the helm of the state with far-reaching consequences. This is how 270 electors appeared, making up the college of the same name, on whose will the choice of the country's president depended. Usually senators, congressmen, or people close to the candidate for the presidency act as electors. It was assumed that such an elite would more accurately express the will of the population, not the most educated and versed in political intricacies. With the exception of two states (Maine and Nebraska), there is a winner-take-all principle in this situation. This principle is that the president and vice president with the most votes in the state will receive all the votes of his electors. On election day, citizens cast their vote not for a specific candidate, but for a group of people "electors" who receive instructions from their state how to vote at the electoral college. That is, the votes of those who voted against will simply not be counted! Only 5 electoral votes are needed to elect the president. The same picture is in the congressional elections. To take second place, let alone third, is useless. This is not a XNUMX% percentage barrier, as in Russia, which must be overcome throughout the country - in the United States, you must win in the state, only then you can get into Congress. More than two centuries have passed since that moment, and the situation has not changed dramatically, becoming only much more confusing. For example, the United States does not have a central body for holding elections - an analogue of our Central Election Commission. The state and other local governments, and at the federal level, the Federal Election Commission and the Electoral Assistance Commission are responsible for organizing the voting process. At the same time, the federal electoral commission is engaged only in monitoring the implementation of federal electoral laws, while the Election Assistance Commission is an advisory body and monitors the implementation of federal electoral legislation.

130% turnout. How Biden's "ghosts" were chosen

Even after a superficial analysis of the electoral system of our overseas neighbor, it becomes clear that ordinary Americans, in case of disagreement with the government, have to go out into the streets - there is often no other way to influence the inhabitants of the White House. With such a confusing and often unfair system of popular will, the United States approached November 2020. But this election seems to have bypassed all the previous ones in terms of absurdity.

"Triumph of Democracy"


The aforementioned Judicial Watch, by the most conservative estimates, found more than 2 million extra votes for Biden, most of which were cast by mail. This know-how of American electoral practice is generally separate. история... The very principle of voting through envelopes potentially allows large-scale acts of falsification, from the moment the letter is packed to storage and transportation. And if there is a potential, then there will certainly be those who say that the ballots are forged, lost or spoiled. As a result, the vast majority of the 64 million votes sent by mail, surprisingly, ended up in Biden's piggy bank. Naturally, Trump was outraged by this outcome of events, but his angry tirades were stopped in time by some TV channels - he was simply taken off the air. By the way, this became a flagrant violation of one of the main democratic values ​​- freedom of speech. Even if the legitimately elected president is being silenced on air (CNBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and NBC), what will be done with the opinions of ordinary Americans?

The second highlight of modern voting in the United States is the complete confusion with the rules in different states. Somewhere there is an opportunity to vote without a certificate, and in some territories it is possible to change your mind and re-cast your vote. If you want to find a country in which it is easiest to organize the notorious "carousel" at the polls, then the United States is better off. That is why foreign independent observers are not frequent guests at polling stations. Here, so to speak, the credibility of democracy allows monitoring the observance of rights remotely. And the pandemic is just the best way to help. Serious inconsistencies are observed in opinion polls among voters. Everywhere and always, they roughly coincided with the published results - deviations were observed within the statistical error. In the November elections, Biden's poll ratings predicted a brilliant victory by 15%. As a result, the whole world sees many days of fuss with the counting of votes - and Biden's advantage is only 34 thousand voters, although he gained more than 270 required electoral votes. Could sociologists and journalists purposefully shape public opinion during the presidential elections? This question will remain rhetorical, although for the majority it has a very specific answer. As well as the question, which part of the winning votes were from the "ghostly" voters?


Such games with the electorate led to a part of the American community ignoring the very procedure of presidential elections - 66,9% of US citizens came to polling stations (post offices) in October-November. For a country where political life is an important part of history, this is a low figure. About 80 million Americans are not ready to choose between Trump and Biden, that is, they did not actually choose the current government. This is slightly more than 74 million votes cast for the already recognized president. For the most radical part, this means almost anarchy, which the US government can only suppress by force. The future government will have to reckon with a very resolute part of the electorate in solidarity with Trump. And, of course, the daily catastrophic increase of more than 100 thousand infected with COVID-19 will be Biden's first and, quite possibly, the most difficult test. In all the intricacies of the United States presidential campaign, the words of future Vice President Kamala Harris are very characteristic and ambiguous:
"Democracy is not a condition, but an action. America is not guaranteed it, democracy depends on our desire to fight for it, to defend it and not to take it for granted."
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  1. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 11 November 2020 06: 29
    18
    So far, the United States has been successfully delivering "democracy" all over the world, but they have forgotten about themselves. When will "democracy" return to America?
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 11 November 2020 07: 20
      -27 qualifying.
      At the same time, neither the Constitutional Court nor the voters see anything prejudicial about this.
      Because Judical Watch was used to determine the number of voters not by census results, but by estimates based on small samples (American Community Survey), and extrapolated over the years.

      The task of the Russian state media (which spread the statements of Judical Watch and not only) is to convince pale-faced people that planes are also made of straw and branches, and they do not bring canned food in the same way as our planes do not bring them from straw and branches, just pale-faced better pretend. It's nice to believe in this, of course, but it's not true.

      And most importantly, if we proceed from the assumption that airplanes are built from straw and branches everywhere, then this deprives us of the moral grounds to demand normal airplanes for ourselves (and this is what counts).
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 11 November 2020 07: 49
        +6
        130% - this turned out to be the turnout in the state of Alabama in the district. Remote Alaska was no exception - 111% of voters. Brian County, Georgia, had an extra 18% on top of the voter list, and Dallas County, Iowa, 15%


        Necha blame the mirror.
        1. Bykov.
          Bykov. 11 November 2020 07: 56
          -8
          Quote: Crowe
          130% - this turned out to be the turnout in the state of Alabama in the district. Remote Alaska was no exception - 111% of voters. Brian County, Georgia, had an extra 18% on top of the voter list, and Dallas County, Iowa, 15%


          Necha blame the mirror.

          It is necessary to give a link to the video, not to Photoshop.
          1. Arlen
            Arlen 11 November 2020 10: 05
            14
            Quote: Bulls.
            It is necessary to give a link to the video, not to Photoshop.

            Here is the video
            1. Alena Frolovna
              Alena Frolovna 11 November 2020 11: 28
              +9
              Elections, elections ...
          2. Cosm22
            Cosm22 11 November 2020 10: 46
            +1
            And without video 146% in Russia for the ruling party are not visible?
            1. Kisa
              Kisa 12 November 2020 17: 01
              +1
              the article vector is not entirely accurate. it's not about their electors or our election commissions.
              I'm surprised that in our digitized time, every step of any citizen of the country can be tracked, but to create a system where anyone can check their vote, they cannot create it correctly. on the contrary, they create a vote by mail or vote for a whole week with us. from here and 146 for a single and 80 for a cockroach and here you are even in the states of a model of democracy
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 11 November 2020 20: 19
          +3
          Quote: Crowe
          130% - this turned out to be the turnout in the state of Alabama in the district. Remote Alaska was no exception - 111% of voters. Brian County, Georgia, had an extra 18% on top of the voter list, and Dallas County, Iowa, 15%


          Necha blame the mirror.

          Russia is not a democracy, and even more so does not teach anyone like the United States. It is the Americans who have endowed themselves with the sole right to recognize or not recognize the country as democratic, so you yourself must comply with the established rules!
          And it turns out like in a joke !!
        3. bk316
          bk316 12 November 2020 13: 11
          0
          Necha blame the mirror.

          So you admit that the results of the US elections are falsified?
      2. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 11 November 2020 07: 51
        +8
        I don’t understand one thing. Turnouts, emissions ... Not that ...

        How can you choose a person in obvious insanity as the president of a country? Biden already has clinical problems!
        1. Bykov.
          Bykov. 11 November 2020 08: 06
          +3
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          I don’t understand one thing. Turnouts, emissions ... Not that ...

          How can you choose a person in obvious insanity as the president of a country? Biden already has clinical problems!

          So he still won't have to rule this country. He is not being promoted to this post. He is the screen behind which those who dragged this Alzheimer into the White House will work.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 08: 29
            +2
            Quote: Bulls.
            So he still won't have to rule this country. He is not being promoted to this post. He is the screen behind which those who dragged this Alzheimer into the White House will work.

            In any "democratic" country, this is the case, and Russia is no exception.
            1. Temples
              Temples 11 November 2020 08: 38
              -1
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              In any "democratic" country, this is the case, and Russia is no exception.

              How so?
              After all, you have Putin to blame for everything. wink
              Or is Putin just a screen? laughing

              Who then rules the country?

              Who installed Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh?
              Are the damned bankers?

              Eco sausage you not childishly. laughing
              1. Kart
                Kart 11 November 2020 08: 45
                -9
                They haven't received fresh training manuals yet, after the elections.
                The bosses are still thinking what to do. To declare Putin as a screen - so the revolution will not work, we need personalities to blame for everything. Whom to overthrow?
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 09: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Carte
                  They haven't received fresh training manuals yet, after the elections.
                  The bosses are still thinking what to do. To declare Putin as a screen - so the revolution will not work, we need personalities to blame for everything. Whom to overthrow?

                  Don't drink in the morning. Or are you writing such a sober nonsense? Then it is doubly sad.
                2. Arlen
                  Arlen 11 November 2020 10: 13
                  +5
                  Quote: Carte
                  They haven't received fresh training manuals yet, after the elections

                  You have them the same old wink
                  Quote: Carte
                  Declaring Putin as a screen - this is how the revolution will not work

                  Pay attention to one interesting fact, you are talking about the revolution, not us.
                  Quote: Carte
                  Whom to overthrow

                  Not to overthrow, but to change the existing system, and this is a big difference.
              2. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 09: 51
                -1
                Quote: Temples
                Or is Putin just a screen?

                Let various alternatively gifted individuals continue to believe that Putin rules alone, and not a henchman of the collective Potanin and Chubais, only sooner or later you will have to wake up.
                Quote: Temples
                Who installed Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh?
                Are the damned bankers?

                My young friend, the world is a little more complicated than you think.
                1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 11 November 2020 12: 55
                  0
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Let various alternatively gifted individuals continue to believe that Putin rules alone, and not a henchman of the collective Potanin and Chubais, only sooner or later you will have to wake up.

                  You think that if only we would strain and imagine! - For example, Grudinin became president, did it change anything?
                  Over the past thirty years, Communists from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation have become accustomed to living in large houses and driving beautiful cars no less than any other capitalists. And the only thing that would change is that instead of some collective potaninochubais, others came, and that's it.
                  And no reversals in any socialism.
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 13: 08
                    0
                    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                    You think that if only we would strain and imagine! - For example, Grudinin became president, did it change anything?

                    Read the comments more carefully, I just wrote that no one rules alone.
                    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                    And the only thing that would change is that instead of some collective potaninochubais, others came, and that's it.
                    And no reversals in any socialism.

                    Have you read their programs? If you had read, you would not have made such unfounded assumptions.
                    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                      Sidor Amenpodestovich 11 November 2020 13: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Have you read their programs? If you had read, you would not have made such unfounded assumptions.

                      Show me the program of at least one game, which on paper would not look attractive and promising.
                      This is the problem with all homegrown revolutionaries. They are confident that the situation in the country can be miraculously changed very quickly and to everyone's pleasure. It doesn't work that way. Well, if only in dreams.
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 13: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        Show me the program of at least one game, which on paper would not look attractive and promising.

                        The United Russia program, for example. When you read the program, try to think about what is behind the words. Approach from an "economic" point of view. For example, if you read the programs of the Belarusian oppositionists, you will see that behind each program there is a privatization "according to Chubais".
                        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        They are confident that the situation in the country can be miraculously changed very quickly and to everyone's pleasure.

                        Yes, I don’t know why you got this opinion, I didn’t notice it from anyone.
                    2. your1970
                      your1970 12 November 2020 17: 20
                      0
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Have you read their programs? If you had read, you would not have made such unfounded assumptions.

                      It is quite enough that the Communist Party's program is directly opposite to Grudinin's program ...
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 17: 32
                        -1
                        Quote: your1970
                        It is quite enough that the Communist Party's program is directly opposite to Grudinin's program ...

                        Please reset the link to the programs.
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 12 November 2020 18: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Quote: your1970
                        It is quite enough that the Communist Party's program is directly opposite to Grudinin's program ...

                        Please reset the link to the programs.

                        The website of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation section of the Program - and at Grudinin's see his interviews, speeches and press conferences from the time of his candidacy. ...
                        For a start:
                        The third stage of the CPRF program is the nationalization of everything - and Grudinin categorically denied its possibility (he would have to give the State Farm ZAO ...)
                      3. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 18: 19
                        -1
                        Quote: your1970
                        The third stage of the CPRF program is the nationalization of everything - and Grudinin categorically denied its possibility (he would have to give the State Farm ZAO ...)

                        Didn't watch the interview, but I didn't take it seriously. I do not know what kind of games the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is leading at the top, but it is a pleasure to work with lower organizations (district committee and below), very decent people, Soviet people.
                      4. your1970
                        your1970 12 November 2020 18: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Soviet people.

                        The only trouble is that the Soviet people are already over 50, alas ...
                        And the 40-year-olds did not find the USSR, they basically do not know the problems of the USSR, and therefore they cannot prevent them.
                      5. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 18: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: your1970
                        The only trouble is that the Soviet people are already over 50, alas ...

                        Soviet people are, first of all, an appropriate upbringing, the ability to put public interests above personal ones. There are also such young people.
                        Quote: your1970
                        And the 40-year-olds did not find the USSR, they basically do not know the problems of the USSR, and therefore they cannot prevent them.

                        The ways of solving typical problems of the late USSR do not depend in any way on whether a person lived under the USSR or not. In short, they lie in the "theoretical plane". And the beginning was laid, perhaps, under N.S. Khrushchev.
                      6. your1970
                        your1970 12 November 2020 19: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Soviet people are, first of all, an appropriate upbringing, the ability to put public interests above personal ones.

                        Even in Soviet times there were few of them.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Ways of solving typical problems of the late USSR do not depend in any way on whether a person lived under the USSR or not.
                        - directly depends ... For example, supply pushers arose in connection with the complete sluggishness of the Soviet economy. And it will arise again + there will be frenzied corruption - yes, such that the current one will be children in a sandbox ...
                      7. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 20: 26
                        -1
                        Quote: your1970
                        due to the complete sluggishness of the Soviet economy

                        The sluggishness of the late Soviet economy is a consequence of the departure from the Marxist-Leninist principles of government. In the Stalinist USSR, the economy was not clumsy. At that time, cooperatives and artels played an important role, and the collective farms were much more independent.
                      8. your1970
                        your1970 12 November 2020 23: 24
                        0
                        You understand what a bawdy anecdote turns out .... If you listen to the Stalinists, it turns out that the ideology, industry and people were socialist - only under Stalin.
                        In turn, it follows from this that all the following general secretaries have distorted and spoiled everything. That is, everything depends on personality leader:Stalin is good, Khrushchev / Brezhnev is worse, Gorbachev is a pipe ...
                        And since the guarantees of a repetition of Stalin are zero, this means that no one will ever see normal socialism.
                        If 16 million communists did not find anyone better than MSG among themselves - what kind of USSR can we talk about in 2 ???

                        Z. Y.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        and the collective farms were much more independent.
                        - well, well, they did not share the funds, they had no uncontrolled money, and you also forgot about the regional and district committees - they completely ruled the collective farms - determining when to sow and how much and where to take out to the bins of the homeland
                      9. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 23: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: your1970
                        well, well, the funds were not divided by them, they had no uncontrolled money, and you also forgot about the regional and district committees - they completely ruled the collective farms - determining when to sow and how much and where to export to the granaries of the homeland

                        We will not touch the war, post-war years.
                        Quote: your1970
                        If you listen to the Stalinists, it turns out that the ideology, industry and people were socialist - only under Stalin.
                        In turn, it follows that all the following general secretaries distorted and spoiled everything. That is, everything depends on the personality of the leader: Stalin is good, Khrushchev / Brezhnev is worse, Gorbachev is a pipe ...

                        The role of personality in history should not be exaggerated. Under Khrushchev, they changed the constitution, under the party bureaucracy, changed the principle of election, and from there everything began to slowly decompose.
                        Quote: your1970
                        what kind of USSR v.2 can we talk about ???

                        Past mistakes must be considered. But you must agree with me, Russia was the most successful country under the USSR.
                      10. your1970
                        your1970 13 November 2020 13: 01
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        We will not touch the war, post-war years.
                        and after not? Ryazan miracle of 1959? "Eternal Call" revise - how the preparatory collective farm was imposed - that it must sow in the 60s ...
                        You just remember, even the buildings of the CPSU in the districts and the regional committee were better than the buildings of the paradise councils and regional councils.

                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        under the party bureaucracy, changed the principle of election, and from there everything began to slowly decompose.
                        you yourself confirm what I have written above ...

                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Past mistakes must be considered.
                        for this you need to know them
                        Quote: your1970
                        And the 40-year-olds did not find the USSR, they basically do not know the problems of the USSR, and therefore they cannot prevent them.

                        A trivial example - we still have metalworkers digging iron in the fields. When formal full financial responsibility - tossing a hydraulic cylinder or a seeder wheel in the middle of the field was the norm. "Everything around the people - everything around is a draw!" No punishments worked, they did, they abandoned them and Alga ...
                        25 years of collecting and it is not over yet. The volume of profiled resources - ore, coal, people, transport - can you imagine?
                        Do you know a way to root it out? I - no, the only way to stop is property - but this is capitalism, alas ...
                      11. zenion
                        zenion 15 November 2020 17: 31
                        0
                        his1970 (Sergey) Forgotten what happened and continues in the United States recently. Capitalism in the USA. And there, in many cities and former cities, there are boxes of factories, and inside there are machines and semi-made products. In this case, you write that under capitalism and such an attitude, Stalin is lacking, although there are forests there. There is work for such people to bury a huge volcano just in case.
  2. Gene84
    Gene84 15 November 2020 02: 26
    +9
    Quote: your1970
    It is quite enough that the Communist Party's program is directly opposite to Grudinin's program ...

    So Grudinin did not go to the elections from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, but from the bloc of the Left and Patriotic Forces.
  3. your1970
    your1970 15 November 2020 13: 45
    0
    AND? Let's say he won - Whose programs would he carry out after he got power? Here we play, we do not nationalize, but here not we play, do not we plant thieves?
    What joy to the people from this? Other? So this will be enough for a month, no more ...
  • Arlen
    Arlen 11 November 2020 10: 23
    +8
    Quote: Temples
    After all, you have Putin to blame for everything

    No. The bourgeois-oligarchic system is to blame. The president is only a representative of this authority. Ebn left, Putin came, he will leave, the system will put another.
    Quote: Temples
    Who installed Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh?

    He alone made the decision?
    Who signed the decision to raise the retirement age?
    Quote: Temples
    Eco sausage you not childishly

    I'm looking at you in full wink hi
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 15 November 2020 01: 49
      14
      Exactly! The system needs to be changed. From the bourgeois-oligarchic to the Soviet path of the country's development. Under the current system of development, the country will not.
  • Temples
    Temples 11 November 2020 08: 06
    -11 qualifying.
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    How can you choose a person in obvious insanity as the president of a country?

    I like him, I like him, I like him
    And that's all I can say in return wassat

    Fuck who's there in the White House.
    US policy is unchanged.
    And this is the main trump card of this country.

    No one else has such constancy.

    We are constantly wobbling from side to side.
  • loser
    loser 11 November 2020 08: 56
    -1
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    Biden already has clinical problems!

    Oops, let's remember Ms. Clinton from 2016, IMHO everything was much more visible and present there. In the United States, apparently, no one knows at all on what basis they choose their heads from the state.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 11 November 2020 09: 34
    +6
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    How can you choose a person in obvious insanity as the president of a country?

    He had a brain aneurysm in the 80s, so take it from him, but when they talk about a voter born in 1850 (only 170 years old) and write that this guy in Buliten did not make a single mistake and they are delighted with this, and a bunch of those born in 1900. Against the background of this insanity, Biden still looks nothing.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 11 November 2020 10: 20
    -2
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    How can you choose a person in obvious insanity as the president of a country? Biden already has clinical problems!

    Well, about the same as it was possible to elect Chernenko as general secretary. A figurehead who suits the party elite.
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 11 November 2020 11: 33
      +2
      Chernenko was not elected by the people, not by all by a general vote, but to the Central Committee of the CPSU.

      This is different)
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 11 November 2020 14: 39
        +3
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        Chernenko was not elected by the people, not by all by a general vote, but to the Central Committee of the CPSU.

        That is, the best representatives of the Soviet people... Soviet electors. smile
        1. bk316
          bk316 12 November 2020 13: 12
          0
          That is, the best representatives of the Soviet people. Soviet electors.

          It's five!
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 12 November 2020 17: 12
      0
      It was Chernenko who did not suit the "party elite". He especially did not like the shape-shifters from the Gorby and Andropov group. The old horse could not let spoil the furrows and trample the field. and I must say that "death from old age" was accelerated to him specifically.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 11 November 2020 20: 07
    +1
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    I don’t understand one thing. Turnouts, emissions ... Not that ...

    How can you choose a person in obvious insanity as the president of a country? Biden already has clinical problems!

    And he will not rule, is it really not visible on Trump? How he does not puff, not a damn thing
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 November 2020 08: 28
    +2
    Quote: military_cat
    but this is not true

    Oh, if you said so. Some guy on the internet won't lie.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 11 November 2020 10: 28
      -5
      Judicial Watch - pro-Trump right-wing fundamentalists spreading fakes. So far, all attempts by Trump's campaign to sue over alleged election fraud have failed. So military_cat said it right. However, you did not even try to refute his statement.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 November 2020 19: 03
        +1
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        you didn't even try to refute his statement

        This is not how it works. A statement that is not substantiated by anything is an empty phrase. And to refute an empty phrase is stupidity.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 11 November 2020 19: 05
          -3
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          A statement that is not substantiated by anything is an empty phrase.


          Here you have an error.
        2. military_cat
          military_cat 23 November 2020 07: 43
          0
          The rationale is quite simple: if the planes did not bring canned food, it would never occur to anyone to imitate it. It's like hypocrisy when a bad person pretends to be good - it means that even if he is bad, he still knows the difference between good and bad and knows what is good. Likewise, the regimes that imitate Western democratic institutions, in particular elections - they imitate them because they know that they work, that they are effective, and the countries that use them are successful.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 11 November 2020 10: 18
    +3
    Quote: military_cat
    However, neither the Constitutional Court

    A small amendment - there is no such body in the USA. The federal judicial system has district courts. There are courts of appeal that unite several districts, but they do not consider cases, but only appeals against decisions of the district courts subordinate to them. And finally, the Supreme Court of 9 judges, which can, in principle, take any cases for consideration, but usually not before the case is passed by the district and appellate courts. Plus, you can appeal against decisions of the state supreme courts. But they have the right not to accept these complaints for consideration, thereby leaving the decision of the lower courts in force.
    Separately, there is the state judicial system. It is arranged in about the same way, plus an additional level - the courts of towns and villages for resolving minor issues, such as traffic violations.
  • mister-red
    mister-red 11 November 2020 10: 35
    +5
    Quote: military_cat
    Because Judical Watch was used to determine the number of voters not by census results, but by estimates based on small samples (American Community Survey), and extrapolated over the years.

    Maybe because if we use census data (last 2010), the numbers will be even larger?
    Quote: military_cat
    And most importantly, if we proceed from the assumption that airplanes are built from straw and branches everywhere, then this deprives us of the moral grounds to demand normal airplanes for ourselves (and this is what counts).

    And what is this about, excuse me? About the fact that in the 90s, thanks to an alcoholic and the support of the states, it slipped into the abyss, and lobbyists of all kinds of Boeings and airbuses gave millions to their pockets to ruin the aviation industry?
    The Superjet is a normal aircraft and has problems only with the logistics of spare parts and engines from France. Solve them, don't worry. MC-21 is on its way.
    What kind of crazy planes are you talking about, can you list? Or, for lack of arguments, will we just flutter our tongue?
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 11 November 2020 10: 48
      -3
      Quote: mister-red
      Maybe because if we use census data (last 2010), the numbers will be even larger?
      Why choose from which set of non-reflective data to draw incorrect conclusions? This is a classic false dilemma.

      Quote: mister-red
      And what is this about, excuse me? About the fact that in the 90s, thanks to an alcoholic and the support of the states, it slipped into the abyss, and lobbyists of all kinds of Boeings and airbuses gave millions to their pockets to ruin the aviation industry?
      It was a metaphor. I'm talking about this: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargo-cult
      1. mister-red
        mister-red 11 November 2020 11: 00
        +4
        For example, see this about elections. You can even check it yourself so as not to think that the author is lying
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_58GJrpRb4&feature=emb_logo

        It was a metaphor.

        No, that doesn't sound like a metaphor at all.
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 11 November 2020 11: 24
          -6
          Quote: mister-red
          For example, see this about elections. You can even check it yourself so as not to think that the author is lying
          The journalists checked whether people from this list actually voted.

          https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/08/tech/michigan-dead-voter-fact-debunking/index.html

          Out of 50 randomly and in order (in equal proportion) selected names, 13 people were actually alive, 5 of them voted. 37 were deceased. The votes cast by them on absentee ballots were not found. The reason is that clerks fill in the data when issuing absentee ballots (and they make mistakes), and when counting votes, documents are checked.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 11 November 2020 15: 49
            0
            Quote: military_cat
            Out of 50 randomly and in order (in equal proportion) selected names, 13 people were actually alive, 5 of them voted. 37 were deceased. The votes cast by them on absentee ballots were not found.

            Here is the main question for those who voted by mail ...

            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 11 November 2020 19: 08
              -1
              Match of the Century: Sasha from Florida vs. CNN, CISA and DOJ.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 11 November 2020 22: 18
                +2
                Quote: Eye of the Crying
                Match of the Century: Sasha from Florida vs. CNN, CISA and DOJ.

                Sasha is closer ... 20 elective seats have already been taken away from Biden and now he lacks 11 votes to win.
                So let your cheap sarcasm smoke for now ... yeah
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 11 November 2020 22: 24
                  -1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Sasha is closer ...


                  Closer than just the Trump judges? Closer than CNN and CISO? Oh well.

                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Biden has already taken 20 elected seats


                  You are repeating lies. Those who allegedly "took away 20 elective seats" are, firstly, just another media outlet, and secondly, they have not given these "20 seats" to anyone yet.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 11 November 2020 22: 29
                    +2
                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    Closer than the judges who pass verdicts on Trump's claims? Closer than CNN and CISO? Oh well.

                    I repeat, Trump will not leave and Biden will not be president of the word at all. Firstly, Trump remembers well how the Republicans, when he was elected for the first time, poured tons of slops on him, incriminating him in everything possible ... unless they were not convicted of sodomy. Second ... these elections showed that Trump voted for not 1 or 2% of voters, which means he will not lose the support of the elite circles. Third ... 70 million people, this is a very serious force, and in the event that Biden is still in the presidency, a naughty will begin in the United States, which the United States has not known since the Civil War. And the last thing ... Trump realizes that everything he has done in 4 years, Biden will cancel and throw in the trash can. And he will definitely not allow this.
                    A month will pass and you will see that I was right. Sleeping Joe not be president. Moreover, he is already 80 years old.
                  2. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 11 November 2020 22: 36
                    -1
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    I repeat, Trump will not leave


                    Again, Trump's term ends on January 20, 2021. If he doesn't leave, they'll take him out.

                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Trump realizes that everything he has done in 4 years, Biden will cancel and throw it in the trash can. And he will definitely not allow this.


                    Ahaha. Trump doesn't give a damn about that. And he did almost nothing.

                    Quote: NEXUS
                    70 million people, this is a very serious force


                    75 million - too.

                    Quote: NEXUS
                    A month will pass and you will see that I was right. Sleeping Joe not be president.


                    In a month he will definitely not be president. And so - yes, we'll see. There was also a character here who promised civil war and the collapse of the United States ...
                  3. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 11 November 2020 22: 40
                    +2
                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    If he doesn't leave, they'll take him out.

                    Show me the law in the US Constitution that requires Trump to transfer power to Biden. Precisely the law.

                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    75 million - too.

                    Of these, how many millions have long been in the ground and do not even know what they voted for?
                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    There was also a character here who promised civil war and the collapse of the United States ...

                    There will most likely not be a civil war, but ... since the time of Baba Clinton, the confrontation between Republicans and Democrats has only grown. I think that the United States has not yet been as close to a political explosion inside the country as it is now, and an explosion entails blood, riots, etc. ... Democrats are not going to give up their positions, because this is money and a lot of money.
                  4. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 11 November 2020 22: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Show me the US Constitution law


                    "Law in the Constitution", what a charm ...

                    Quote: NEXUS
                    according to which Trump is obliged to transfer powers to Biden.


                    Do you even read what they write to you? I said that Trump's term will expire on January 20, you do not argue with that, I hope? And when they end, but the president is not elected, the chairman of the Congress becomes the interim president. Trump is out anyway, whether he passes it or not.

                    Quote: NEXUS
                    I think the States were not yet as close to a political explosion within the country as they are now.


                    This is from your youth.
                  5. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 11 November 2020 22: 59
                    0
                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    "Law in the Constitution", what a charm ...

                    The dismount is counted. Where is the respected, is it spelled out in the Constitution that Trump is obliged to transfer powers to Biden?
                    The vote is rigged and this is already a fact. What the hell is the president of Congress?
                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    This is from your youth.

                    Ooty paths ... don't let them take it straight - aksakal, epona's mother. fellow
                  6. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 11 November 2020 23: 01
                    0
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Where is the dear, is it written in the Constitution that Trump is obliged to transfer powers to Biden?


                    Read the answer above before enlightenment. But just to please you, the Constitution does not say about Trump or Biden.

                    Quote: NEXUS
                    The vote is rigged and this is already a fact. What the hell is the president of Congress?


                    Even if it was rigged, Trump's term ends on January 20 smile And ... see above

                    Quote: NEXUS
                    straight not to give not to take-aksakal, epona mother.


                    Aksakal or not, but I remember something, I know something.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 11 November 2020 12: 10
    +8
    Quote: military_cat
    the pale-faced people also have planes made of straw and branches, and they do not bring canned food in the same way as our planes do not bring them from straw and branches, it is just that the pale-faced pretend better.

    What kind of bullshit? belay fool

    What are the straw planes, what canned food from the branches. where are they taking? fool
    Quote: military_cat
    The task of the Russian state media (which disseminate Judical Watch statements and not only) is to convince

    EVERYONE HAS normal The media task is simple - to bring information about the most shameful, falsified, arrogant, cynical, deceitful, anti-democratic, unjust so-called. "elections" in the United States, which were only there.

    And millions of stuffing, actively voting dead, the excess of the number of voters over their payroll, the absence of observers, the inadmissibility of a competitor to the calculations, wild censorship in social networks and the press, etc., etc., put this stupid FARS at the lowest level.

    Shame ....
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 11 November 2020 14: 45
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      What are the straw planes, what canned food from the branches. where are they taking?

      This is a hint of a post-WWII cargo cult. During WWII, the Yankees built many bases on the TO islands, attracting for this the Aborigines who lived there, who for this from the bounty of the United States (by local standards) fell. The war is over - the US military is gone. And the natives, who had lost their nishtyaks, began to build airplanes and bases from improvised materials and carry out rituals that imitate the work of pale-faced people in all this - in the hope that, if these rituals are observed, nishtyaks will again appear by themselves. smile
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 11 November 2020 09: 24
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Koval
    So far, the United States has been successfully delivering "democracy" all over the world, but they have forgotten about themselves. When will "democracy" return to America?

    This is democracy in the American way, and it never left the United States. And the people inhabiting the Russian, German, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman empires were the first to feel the export of this democracy.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 10: 14
      +2
      hi
      Quote: tihonmarine
      This is American democracy.

      Rather, just bourgeois democracy.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 11 November 2020 10: 16
        +1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Rather, just bourgeois democracy.

        Well, what else can be, we still all live in it, with the exception of the DPRK.
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 11 November 2020 12: 02
    +3
    The USA has a very strong navy and good air defense. This traditionally reduces the likelihood of bombing and, along with it, democracy.
  • iouris
    iouris 11 November 2020 13: 54
    0
    Quote: Sergey Koval
    When will "democracy" return to America?

    And there can be no other democracy.
    1. Financier
      Financier 11 November 2020 23: 44
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      And there can be no other democracy.

      There are many democracies. The main thing is not to get lost in them. yes
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 11 November 2020 14: 47
    +2
    Quote: Sergey Koval
    When will "democracy" return to America?

    When the US Embassy appears in Washington. Democracy does not spread quickly without the US Embassy. smile
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 11 November 2020 15: 45
    0
    Quote: Sergey Koval
    When will "democracy" return to America?

    Has she ever been there? repeat
  • Financier
    Financier 11 November 2020 23: 38
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Koval
    When will "democracy" return to America?

    Slowly returns ... yes
  • kimvladimiril
    kimvladimiril 12 November 2020 18: 16
    0
    Then, when the US Embassy appears in the USA ...
  • zenion
    zenion 15 November 2020 17: 24
    0
    Koval Sergey (Sergey) The author did not think that these 30% could be for Trump. Trump threw few troops. Here it is not clear what the analyst has to do with it ?!
  • forest1
    forest1 11 November 2020 06: 34
    -7
    Remote Alaska was no exception - 111% of the voters.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-us-election-results/alaska#president
    Here are the results for Alaska.
    If out of a maximum of 380 thousand voted, with a population of 730 thousand. This turnout is 111%, that is, out of 730 thousand of the population, only 18 thousand have reached 340 years old.
    And there are as many as 390 thousand minors in the state. Only children seem to live in the state. The votes have not yet been counted. But there is a huge advantage towards Trump. 58% Trump 38% Biden. How did they manipulate it so that Trump lost outright.
    In general, the facts in the article are from the ceiling and have nothing to do with reality.
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 11 November 2020 07: 04
      23
      forest1 (Pavel1)
      In general, the facts in the article are from the ceiling and have nothing to do with reality.
      Of course, of course, everything that is written is absolute Kremlin propaganda, and the United States is the most democratic country in the world ... laughing We absolutely believe in the honesty and transparency of the most "advanced" system of democracy around the world ... wassat
      I'm just wondering where you are broadcasting from? Behind penny, excuse me for a cent, are you working or just out of love for art?
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 08: 01
        0
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        We absolutely believe in the honesty and transparency of the most "advanced" system of democracy around the world ...

        Any bourgeois democratic elections are essentially the same, in the United States, in Russia or Germany, for example.
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        I'm just wondering where you are broadcasting from? For a penny, excuse me for a penny, do you work or just out of love for art?

        Have you gotten already putriots, it may be enough to write any disagreeing with you either as Ukrainians or as agents of the State Department.
        1. Kart
          Kart 11 November 2020 08: 47
          +5
          Or maybe it's enough to throw dirt on the citizens of the country, inventing nicknames?
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 11 November 2020 08: 57
            +2
            Really enough - "light-faced hamsters." Or is it not about citizens?
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 09: 58
            +2
            Quote: Carte
            Or maybe it's enough to throw dirt on the citizens of the country, inventing nicknames?

            You are absolutely right, it's enough not only to invent nicknames, but also enough to write down any disagreeing with you either as a liberal, or as an agent of the State Department, or as someone else.
            1. Foxmara
              Foxmara 11 November 2020 12: 05
              +4
              So maybe you will start with yourself? Do you apologize to the interlocutor?
          3. Arlen
            Arlen 11 November 2020 10: 26
            +5
            Quote: Carte
            Or maybe it's enough to throw dirt on the citizens of the country, inventing nicknames?

            If you stop, we will stop.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 11 November 2020 09: 28
          +6
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          it may be enough to write any disagreeing with you either as Ukrainians or as agents of the State Department

          And they forgot to add on the Balts. I constantly experience it on my own skin.
    2. Liam
      Liam 11 November 2020 07: 22
      -12 qualifying.
      Quote: forest1
      in general, the facts in the article are from the ceiling and have nothing to do with reality

      It is not surprising that the author does not bother himself with at least some references to the absurdities that he writes ... he is an artist ... he sees that way ..
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 11 November 2020 07: 46
        +2
        Somehow, against this background, the "146 percent turnout" is lost in one of the "subsidized" republics in the elections in the so-called "raw material superpower" .. right? ... This is what accidentally then became known .... Oh, these elections, when the right person is "chosen", they become a "model of democracy" in any country, yeah ..
        1. Kart
          Kart 11 November 2020 08: 49
          -6
          Moreover, it was "accidentally known" only to light-faced hamsters.
          And here, indeed, it is known.
          1. Livonetc
            Livonetc 11 November 2020 09: 00
            +2
            I.e.
            Both are known, in particular, and on this resource.
            But one is "accidentally known" and the other is "really" known.
            It’s too biased.
            They would have put an equal sign.
            Since both one and the other, those in power, obviously fool the population of their countries.
            With some differences.
        2. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 11 November 2020 10: 03
          -2
          To believe in this bearded story about 146% is not to respect yourself.
        3. Foxmara
          Foxmara 11 November 2020 12: 09
          0
          A lot of time has passed? Everyone, except you, already knows where the figure came from. From the ceiling. And it was voiced by the presenter, who fled abroad the next day. That is, it is very likely (hello Britain) that the order was paid.
          1. forty-eighth
            forty-eighth 11 November 2020 16: 52
            +1
            Quote: Foxmara
            A lot of time has passed? Everyone, except you, already knows where the figure came from. From the ceiling. And it was voiced by the presenter, who fled abroad the next day. That is, it is very likely (hello Britain) that the order was paid.

            "Everyone knows" who exactly is this?
            146% were not voiced, but broadcast on infographics. Has the production editor also dumped abroad? Did the responsible producer dump too? Did the program director dump? Your "high probability" is most likely a figment of your imagination.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 November 2020 15: 52
      +3
      Quote: forest1
      Only children seem to live in the state.

      If sclerosis does not change me, then in the state of Georgia, in my opinion, a man born in 1835 "voted". And in Michigan, a grandmother at the age of 120. And judging by the lists of voters, the United States has long overtaken Japan in the number of centenarians 10 times that way.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 11 November 2020 06: 37
    +1
    "130% was the turnout in Alabama in Lowndes County." - well, thank God, they did not reach 146%.
    1. forest1
      forest1 11 November 2020 06: 42
      -8
      https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-us-election-results/alabama#president
      Alabama.
      Maximum there voted no more than 2.55 million (votes have not been counted yet)
      If we take this as 130%
      it turns out that the number of people in Alabama who have reached the age of 18 is 2,55 / 130% = 1,99 million people.
      With a population of 4.9 million, Alabama has 2.9 million minors in the state. 60% of Alabama's population is children and other minors without voting rights
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 11 November 2020 06: 44
        0
        Quote: forest1
        Maximum there voted no more than 2.55 million
        If we take this as 130%
        it turns out that the number of people in Alabama who have reached the age of 18 is 2,55 / 130% = 1,99 million people.
        With a population of 4.9 million, Alabama has 2.9 million minors in the state. 60% of Alabama's population is children and other minors without voting rights

        Will you do the same analytics for Churov and Panfilova?
        1. forest1
          forest1 11 November 2020 06: 46
          +1
          What for. We do not have competitive choices, and it is not even particularly interesting for anyone to discuss them.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 11 November 2020 06: 51
            -9
            Quote: forest1
            What for. We do not have competitive choices, and it is not even particularly interesting for anyone to discuss them.

            You are sure?
            1. forest1
              forest1 11 November 2020 06: 52
              -2
              Well, I see so far. That even on this site they say more about the American elections than even about the "domestic"
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 11 November 2020 06: 53
                -3
                Quote: forest1
                Well, I see so far. That even on this site they say more about the American elections than even about the "domestic"

                - Criticism, Petka, is when an ordinary soldier can say anything in my eyes, and nothing will happen to him.
                - Nothing?
                - Nothing, Petka! No new horse, no hat, no saber, no harness ... No-thing!
        2. military_cat
          military_cat 11 November 2020 07: 41
          -8
          Quote: mat-vey
          Will you do the same analytics for Churov and Panfilova?
          So it is. "Saw Churov" is forever in our hearts.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 11 November 2020 07: 43
            -10 qualifying.
            Quote: military_cat
            So it is. "Saw Churov" is forever in our hearts.

            So I'm talking about too ... so you need to be careful with topics for "analytics", otherwise you will wake up your dashing once again ...
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 11 November 2020 10: 36
        0
        Quote: forest1
        60% of Alabama's population is children and other minors without voting rights
        First, not everyone is worried about registering as voters, and some do not do it on purpose, because there is a belief that those who are registered are much more likely and more likely to be called up by jury in courts. And this is a waste of time and earnings or business.
        Second, criminals, even those who have served time or amnestied, are deprived of the right to vote, depending on the state, for a time or permanently. And among blacks ah, excuse me, African Americans and Latinos are in the majority.
        Thirdly, mentally ill people (in the law of the state of New Jersey, until recently, it was written "idiots (idiots)", and this was news to the whole country when the wording was changed to a more politically correct one) may be deprived of the right to vote if medicine considers that they don't know what they are doing.
        And finally, students have the right to register at their place of permanent residence, or maybe at the address of the hostel.
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      4. LifeIsGood
        LifeIsGood 11 November 2020 11: 00
        +2
        In your quest to whitewash the US elections, you did not pay attention to small details this was the turnout in Alabama in Lowndes County . Here they say not for the WHOLE state, but for the DISTRICT! Piece of state !!! And you know, I specifically went to your link, found this district and lo and behold !!!

        This is true, too, not 130%, but not "everything is normal dos" ...
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    3. Foxmara
      Foxmara 11 November 2020 12: 10
      +1
      If Trump was cunning, then they would last b. 146 invented figure
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 11 November 2020 13: 10
        -1
        Quote: Foxmara
        146 invented figure

        The electoral commission has a lot of invented figures.
  • Bykov.
    Bykov. 11 November 2020 06: 40
    +8
    In the States, "dead souls" not only vote, but also win elections! So, for example, a certain David Andal, who died of covid, "went" to the House of Representatives of North Dakota, gaining the majority of votes. I wonder if he will be dragged to his workplace, or will he be fired for absenteeism?
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 11 November 2020 09: 34
      +2
      Now I do not know, but in the old days the place was taken by the closest relative of the deceased. As if by inheritance.)
  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 November 2020 06: 41
    +2
    Yes, let them think .... the whole world will wait.
    1. cniza
      cniza 11 November 2020 08: 51
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Yes, let them think .... the whole world will wait.


      The fun is just beginning ... Greetings! hi , but can be deflated very quickly.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 November 2020 09: 17
        +4
        Welcome soldier
        So, when the minke whales are having fun at home, the whole world, several, rests. Except for the most nervous ones. It would be useful if the local disco didn't end longer.
        1. cniza
          cniza 11 November 2020 09: 27
          +3
          And she did not go beyond her "collective farm" ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 November 2020 18: 31
            +2
            Exactly. It is better for us, and for others, to look at their disco from the outside.
            For this, you can climb into the gallery and peel red-hot, you can salted and with pivasik drinks
            1. cniza
              cniza 11 November 2020 18: 35
              +3
              And we don't need their chips and other burgers ... drinks
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 11 November 2020 19: 39
                +2
                Quote: cniza
                And we don't need their chips and other burgers ... drinks
                this is certainly not necessary! Good evening hi They have so many fat, overweight ...
                1. cniza
                  cniza 11 November 2020 20: 35
                  +2
                  Greetings Dmitry! hi
                  Turned our youth into hamburgers, it's time to stop ...
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 12 November 2020 09: 15
                    +1
                    There are very few of our very thick ones. Maybe because other dishes, assortment? Few people, they are really suitable if there is no choice.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 12 November 2020 17: 58
                      +2
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      There are very few of our very thick ones.


                      Everything is relative, but young people are now trying to lead a healthy lifestyle, this one is in vogue ...
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 12 November 2020 18: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: cniza
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        There are very few of our very thick ones.


                        Everything is relative, but young people are now trying to lead a healthy lifestyle, this one is in vogue ...

                        I myself do not like hamburgers ..... and there is infa that they are glued together from various leftovers with a special food composition ..... brrrrrr, although I can have a snack, sometimes
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 11 November 2020 19: 43
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      Yes, let them think .... the whole world will wait.

      Next to these calculations, Lukashenka’s results seem insignificant. Good evening, Victor! ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 November 2020 19: 56
        +1
        Good evening, Dmitry.
        Yes, it seems, and our libertusovka calm down, because the "exceptional" look like it is not ah .... tukhlinka from them carries a mile away. Bad example for others, very bad.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 12 November 2020 09: 21
          +1
          ...... Bad example ......., very bad ......
          I wonder how they will talk about elections in other countries later? Although their "exclusive" line will continue, of course
          And our liberals, in my opinion, will never condemn their elections if they chose Biden
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 November 2020 09: 45
            +1
            To roll a barrel into a hand giving ... well, this is absolutely a perversion! Although some manage to do so.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 12 November 2020 11: 24
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              To roll a barrel into a hand giving ... well, this is absolutely a perversion! Although some manage to do so.
              So it is, Victor
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 November 2020 11: 59
                +1
                I'm not surprised at anything .... the world is going crazy, and I DON'T WANT.
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 11 November 2020 06: 42
    +5

    Joe Fraser (deceased) has voted three times. For Biden am
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 11 November 2020 10: 36
      -3
      Giuliani lied, his lies have long been refuted.
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  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 11 November 2020 06: 49
    +4
    The system is, of course, the fiercest trash. But people like it. Let them have fun.
    1. loser
      loser 11 November 2020 09: 02
      -2
      Quote: sergo1914
      The system, of course, is the fiercest trash. But people like

      Duc, after all, there are no alternatives, that's
      Quote: sergo1914
      have fun

      , and let them have fun.The current US President Donald Trump is collecting evidence of presidential election fraud, Fox News reports, noting that long-dead people were on the lists of voters in a number of states.- everything is familiar, isn't it?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 11 November 2020 06: 49
    +2
    Age does not bother anyone or what ??????????
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 11 November 2020 06: 52
      +3
      Biden worked with Chernenko
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 11 November 2020 06: 55
        +1
        Quote: Bulls.
        Biden worked with Chernenko

        Maybe their hearse race time has come too.
        1. Bykov.
          Bykov. 11 November 2020 06: 57
          +1
          Quote: mat-vey

          Maybe their hearse race time has come too.
          :-)
          In the "race on carriages" Biden definitely won everyone
      2. Alien From
        Alien From 11 November 2020 06: 57
        +1
        Yes, even with the devil on the horns!
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 11 November 2020 09: 06
      -1
      Quote: Alien From
      Age does not bother anyone or what ??????????


      Than? Let's take a look at the carriages near the White House.
    3. Foxmara
      Foxmara 11 November 2020 12: 13
      +1
      Candidate or Voter? wink
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 12 November 2020 02: 52
        0
        Voters!
        1. Foxmara
          Foxmara 19 November 2020 15: 04
          0
          that is, the sleeping ugly does not bother you?
  • g_ae
    g_ae 11 November 2020 06: 52
    +5
    Our daddy probably exclaims: "Shaw ?! And so it was possible ?!"
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 11 November 2020 07: 24
      -6
      And our, zeroed, rubs his hands:
      Yeah ... The circuit is still working. And we and they ...
  • Holsten
    Holsten 11 November 2020 06: 56
    +6
    This is definitely the fairest American election in which Americans are tired of pretending and playing the "honesty-decency" game. The phrase "most democratic elections" now denotes elections won by Democrats.
    1. Kart
      Kart 11 November 2020 09: 02
      +2
      The funny thing is that they are the ones who are most concerned about the integrity of elections in Russia.
      The Kreakly cannot understand in any way - everything that the United States advises them regarding Russia is being done to eliminate a competitor. Privates, of course. The advanced ones understand everything perfectly.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 November 2020 07: 03
    +3
    Wah, dear author, why are you writing about only ghosts, there were still ominous dead people, I swear by my mother. So it turned out 130%. laughing
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 11 November 2020 07: 03
    +1
    They took 20 electoral votes from Biden and "took away" his victory in the US presidential election. Lenta, citing political polls aggregator RealClearPolitics, reports that the Democratic candidate now has 259 votes, 11 less than it takes to win
    1. Foxmara
      Foxmara 11 November 2020 12: 15
      +2
      Wow! This is news. Now they will definitely ignite. Waited for this. It's just that the Democrats are better prepared to lose, they rehearsed all summer. Burn burn clear ..
  • Alien From
    Alien From 11 November 2020 07: 04
    +1
    Now Trump has learned what democracy is laughing
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 11 November 2020 07: 15
    +2
    "Triumph of Democracy"
    Wow! They hit the bull's-eye. What difference does it make in which way American presidents come to power? Remember by name, which of them, besides Roosevelt, influenced the course of our life positively? If only Clinton ... He revealed to us the essence of EBN in full glory ...
    I see the secret interest of the Russian authorities in the American election system. Do they want to present us with this "surprise"? I can even imagine who the appointed electors will choose in this way: Tereshkova, Kabaeva, Isinbaeva, Valuev, Makarov, Fedorov, Khinshtein and other "guardians" ...
    1. Kart
      Kart 11 November 2020 09: 06
      +1
      But these, for example, who will be chosen in this way?
      1. Foxmara
        Foxmara 11 November 2020 12: 17
        +1
        How whom ?? Ross laughing
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 11 November 2020 13: 31
        +1
        Quote: Carte
        But these, for example, who will be chosen in this way?

        I mean GD. They also tested voting on amendments to the constitution, even earlier they changed its provisions simply on a whim ... Now it's up to the elections ... the guarantor appoints ministers and deputies, and the State Duma votes for a presidential candidate ... Like at a party meeting ... break your head ...
        And these are private individuals ...
  • Liam
    Liam 11 November 2020 07: 20
    -1
    The situation when the US population actually voted for one candidate, and the electors for another became possible only in the XNUMXst century


    The author is not particularly aware of the topic he undertook to write about.
    in 1824 (J.K. Adams won, who, however, did not receive a majority of electoral votes; he was elected by the House of Representatives), 1876 (Hayes won) and 1888 (B. Garrison won); curiously, Adams and Garrison, like Bush, were descendants of US presidents. The fifth in this row was Donald Trump in 2016.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 11 November 2020 07: 48
    +3
    It's not evening yet. Those who were offended by Trump rushed to congratulate Biden. But by his latest actions, Trump is showing who is the real boss in the White House, and now we will see who shouts whom. The main thing is that this infection does not come to us. And we have already adopted something.
    1. cniza
      cniza 11 November 2020 08: 48
      +2
      God forbid, but when everything is against you, it is very difficult to achieve justice ...
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 11 November 2020 08: 03
    0
    Oh, come on .. laughing name the most democratic country in the capitalist world .. Again, the point is not how they vote, but how they count. In the United States, this is how it was calculated. When they voted for the amendments, 32% came to vote, and as a result, 100% of the population voted for the amendments. smile Or in France, no one knew Marcon and his party before the elections, but they won ... Democracy. laughing
    But that's not even the point. Who won, and who took part in the elections. Two pensioners, in their prime. laughing At no fish, Trump and Biden are fish.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 11 November 2020 09: 38
      0
      On formal grounds, the most democratic large countries in the Western world are, perhaps, Germany and Italy. Partly France, but there is a majoritarian electoral system at the national level, which seriously distorts the representation of parties in parliament.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 11 November 2020 09: 40
        0
        Yes, it noticeably distorts .. laughing As in the rest of the bourgeois countries. And Russia is not a bourgeois or capitalist country, therefore we have no distortions at the elections and during the voting. Russia, an example for the rest of the world.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 11 November 2020 09: 46
          0
          Do you disagree? Thanks to this system, the supporters of Marine Le Pen, and in the past the French Communist Party, had and still have representation in the National Assembly, many times less than if the proportional system was used. True, on the initiative of Macron, a proportional component will now be introduced in the elections to the National Assembly. But the deputies, elected according to the proportional system, will be either a fifth or a sixth.
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 11 November 2020 09: 51
            +1
            You do not agree?
            With what? With the electoral system in France? .. smile If not her, Marcon, with his until the village little-known party, did not jump out like the devil out of the snuffbox. Pushing aside all the traditional parties .. This is such a bourgeois democracy. smile
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 11 November 2020 10: 29
              0
              I spoke only about the distribution of seats in the French National Assembly and about the elections to it by the two-round absolute majority system. Thanks to this system, Macron's supporters have a majority of the seats in the French parliament. If the proportional system were used, then with the same distribution of votes, Macron's faction would have much less representation there, it would be the largest, but perhaps it would not constitute an absolute majority. In France, by the way, they use four different electoral systems in elections to regional, department and municipal councils, which differ from the system of elections to the National Assembly. Four - because the electoral system for municipal council elections depends on the size of the population in them. Plus there are special variations of the municipal electoral system in Paris and Lyon. Plus its own specifics in Corsica and in the overseas departments and territories. Regional councils are elected on a proportional basis, but with a 25% bonus for the top-ranked party. Departmental councils are elected by the majority system in two-member districts, when they vote for a pair of candidates, a man and a woman. Etc. etc.
              1. Daniil Konovalenko
                Daniil Konovalenko 11 November 2020 10: 35
                +1
                You know, I am not going to argue with you and I do not want to, for one simple reason, we are talking about the same thing. The electoral system in a bourgeois state ensures the power of the bourgeoisie.
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 11 November 2020 10: 34
              0
              Valerie Giscard d'Estaing, also from a small party, was also elected President in 1974. Truth. there were not enough forces to create a majority faction in the National Assembly. Therefore, I had to agree to an alliance with the Gaullists.
        2. mat-vey
          mat-vey 12 November 2020 06: 48
          -1
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          not bourgeois and not capitalist

          Capitalism is a social system, in which all means of production are the private property of the capitalist class, exploiting the labor of hired workers for profit.
        3. andrew42
          andrew42 12 November 2020 17: 24
          0
          Yeah, Russia is not a capitalist country. Naturally! Because Russia is a foedal-capitalist country. Capitalism is only for the sticky oligarchs. The rest - a fortress and a non-"living" minimum ..
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  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 11 November 2020 08: 45
    +3
    For example, in the United States there is no central body for holding elections - an analogue of our Central Election Commission.
    Our Central Election Commission is not at all a reason for any pride. For the winner is known in advance
  • And
    And 11 November 2020 08: 45
    +1
    In general, regarding the electoral system in the United States - at first I thought it was some kind of confusion and rubbish, but then I realized that using electors was not such a bad idea. In fact, voting is not by population, but territorially. That is, if the current government looks only at a couple of densely populated regions, then in the next elections the votes in the "forgotten" regions, even if they are fewer in number, will be enough to choose another candidate.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 11 November 2020 10: 41
      0
      The phenomenon of "hesitant" states still works here. There are tons of states that almost always vote for either Republicans or Democrats. Republicans know that it is extremely unlikely to take an electoral seat from California or New York. And so, the overwhelming majority of the electoral votes falls on the 10-15 most populous states out of 50. The 10 most populous states have as many people as 40 others.
  • cniza
    cniza 11 November 2020 08: 46
    +1
    In the United States, the words of future Vice President Kamala Harris are very characteristic and ambiguous:
    "Democracy is not a condition, but an action. America is not guaranteed it, democracy depends on our desire to fight for it, to defend it and not to take it for granted."


    Why are they ashamed, the winners decide the fate and what does democracy have to do with it ... lol
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 11 November 2020 08: 58
    0
    The author's new word is "prejudicial".)
  • cesar65
    cesar65 11 November 2020 09: 02
    +1
    Therefore, there is a popular expression: - I did not vote for him.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 11 November 2020 09: 27
    0
    In fact, the situation when the candidate with the lowest number of votes won in the electoral college is not, as the author claims, a phenomenon of the 21st century. This happened in the United States already in the 19th century. And the number of the collegium of 538 people was not originally the same. It is equal to the number of US senators and congressmen plus (since the early 60s) there are added representatives of the Federal District of Columbia in the number that it would send to Congress if it were a state. As you know, the federal district is not represented in the US Senate at all, and it sends one delegate with an advisory vote to the House of Representatives. As for the Congress, it is elected according to the majority system of the relative majority in single-member districts (two representatives from the state are elected to the Senate, but the elections are separated in time), so it is natural that the third parties, even if they won at least 5, at least 10 percent on a nationwide scale , but those who did not come out on top in a particular constituency, do not have any representation in Congress. When electing the Senate, the use of the proportional system is impossible in principle, because two senators are elected from each state. As for the House of Representatives, the use of this system on a national scale is impossible due to the fact that the representation of each state is fixed depending on the size of its population. Moreover, it does not depend on voter turnout. Will come 20% for the elections or 80%, the state is guaranteed to receive representation in the number of single-member districts. As for the possibility of using a proportional system for the election of the House of Representatives on a state scale, this issue is not well understood. But I can make the following assumptions. In small states that send several representatives, it is not applicable by definition. On the other hand, this is not in line with American tradition. Thirdly, even if they want to introduce this system in several populous states, I do not know how it will be possible to implement it from the point of view of American law.
  • BAI
    BAI 11 November 2020 09: 51
    0
    The situation when the US population actually voted for one candidate, and the electors for another, became possible only in the XNUMXst century. In the twentieth century, American democracy has never experienced anything like this.

    What actually happened in the 21st century? Have the numbers in the title changed? What is the connection?
    1. Gene84
      Gene84 15 November 2020 02: 29
      +9
      Quote: BAI
      What actually happened in the 21st century?

      Politics got dirtier. The manipulations are more sophisticated, rougher and bolder.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 11 November 2020 09: 58
    -1
    "Every troubled skeleton needs a kind master.
    Otherwise ...
    The fun is getting out of control "(I. Veresov)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAXMiVM-Nfg
    That's what Biden would think about! After all, they will take along with them as soon as the cock crows!
  • Imobile
    Imobile 11 November 2020 10: 10
    -1
    Why doesn't Trump just put Biden in jail and save the United States from collapse?
    1. your1970
      your1970 12 November 2020 17: 39
      +1
      Quote: Imobile
      Why doesn't Trump just put Biden in jail and save the United States from collapse?

      "Who will plant him, he's a monument !!!!!" (C)
    2. Gene84
      Gene84 15 November 2020 02: 29
      10
      Quote: Imobile
      will not save the United States from collapse?

      There will be no collapse of the United States in the near future. As much as we would like it ...
  • Ptolemy Lag
    Ptolemy Lag 11 November 2020 11: 02
    -2
    I don't even want to talk about our elections, just mate ...
    1. Gene84
      Gene84 15 November 2020 02: 28
      +9
      Quote: Ptolemy Lag
      I don't even want to talk about our elections, just mate ...

      Ours are ours. What to say about them, we already know everything. But you can make fun of them bully
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 11 November 2020 11: 22
    +1
    It's just that Comrade Trumpov was a black sheep in his midst (businessmen), and even a stranger in the political elite, hence the consolidated rejection of him by the system and total. Biden and others are their own, and they will have to and are obliged to push themselves into power by any means, because their own. The question for the Americans themselves is, is it democracy? Here the answer is obvious - at least call it a log, and if benefits continue to be paid, it is not necessary to work, credit interest rates are low and not required to be repaid, plus cheap gasoline and goods in the country, then Americans do not care so much who drives them and in what state, do not care absolutely. As for us, well, because even in any village there are inscriptions in English (like what if a foreigner arrives and it will be incomprehensible to him - aha a hundred years there was no one and there will not be another thousand), then for our colony it is very important who licks with minimal losses ... The politics of colobracyists, however, although today is a unique chance to warm up blacks to a state of civil war for the demolition of the states in their current form, which the real communists have been waiting for and what they fear in the states, by the way, and what can be done today using the experience of color revolutions as easy as shelling pears.
  • Engineer
    Engineer 11 November 2020 11: 52
    0
    The author of the article, where does the information about> 100% of voters come from? Where are the sources?
    130% - this was the turnout in the state of Alabama in Lowndes County.

    Lies
    https://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionnight/countyResultsByContest.aspx?cid=45&ecode=1001065
    If not, open a text version of the saved copy
    Total Ballots Cast: 2,055 Total Registered Voters: 10,182 Voter Turnout: 20.18% Boxes Reported: 100.00% Last Updated: 11/04/2020 03:20:03 PM


    Brian County, Georgia, Counts An Extra 18% On The Voter List

    Lies
    https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/Bryan/91655/Web02.222263/#/
    VOTER TURNOUT
    TOTAL
    58.41%

    Ballots Cast15,019
    Registered Voters25,712
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 11 November 2020 12: 37
    +2
    Quote: Koval Sergey
    So far, the United States has been successfully delivering "democracy" all over the world, but they have forgotten about themselves. When will "democracy" return to America?

    You can't take back what you never had.
  • Dwarfking
    Dwarfking 11 November 2020 14: 02
    +1
    The article lacks a mention of another reason for the existence of the institution of electors. It’s not just the illiteracy of the 18th century American. Electors also exist because the United States is a federal state. They need the institution of electors so that there is no such situation that the President is elected by residents of the same densely populated states. Well, and one more reason: the electors, being an intermediate link between the votes of voters and the victory in elections, can correct the "wrong choice of the herd." They are not prohibited by law
  • dgonni
    dgonni 11 November 2020 14: 47
    -2
    Fyodorov handsome, WHAT? For organizing (Judicial Watch), he certainly did not mention that this is a group of conservative senile people who suck sensations from their fingers. For non-believers, link, and Google translator for those who are not friends with English (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Watch#2020_election_voter_suppression).
    With the same success one could draw the conclusions of any yellow tabloid rag or inscription on the fence. And build analytics on this!
    A respected author's analyst needs to build on the monsters of American journalism and research such as the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal. Here everything becomes clear and understandable at once.
    P.S. By the way, business and their mouthpiece the Wall Street Journal immediately accepted the elections and breathed a sigh of relief. Since the business will have 4 years of quiet work without throwing the first person into any jungle!
  • depressant
    depressant 11 November 2020 16: 49
    +1
    Trump lost because he caused deep discontent among the military over the decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan. And the military has well-groomed poppy plantations, the production of poppy from it, a well-established system of sales of products, purchases by the Ministry of Defense of supposedly expensive weapons, but in fact Chinese, etc. In general, a well-oiled economy, on which many high-ranking officials warmed their hands.
    And other. The withdrawal of industries from Asia to their homeland, to America, is in the interests of the people and the budget, but not at all in the interests of the financial oligarchy, large producers of goods and services, and contradicts the principles of globalization as the brainchild of the Democratic Party. The rich versus Trump. Whoever has more money has a 130% turnout.
    1. Turanov
      Turanov 11 November 2020 18: 04
      +1
      Quote: depressant
      Trump lost because he caused deep discontent among the military over the decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan. And the military has well-groomed poppy plantations, the production of poppy from it, a well-established system of sales of products, purchases by the Ministry of Defense of supposedly expensive weapons, but in fact Chinese, etc. In general, a well-oiled economy, on which many high-ranking officials warmed their hands.
      And other. The withdrawal of industries from Asia to their homeland, to America, is in the interests of the people and the budget, but not at all in the interests of the financial oligarchy, large producers of goods and services, and contradicts the principles of globalization as the brainchild of the Democratic Party. The rich versus Trump. Whoever has more money has a 130% turnout.

      Lyudmila everything is to the point and short! Trump tore up the "aspen nest" long worked out by the global financial elite .. Someone supported him, but you see another clan was still stronger (the world media in their hands, alas) .. Plus Trump is that he did not unleash a single war, for his presidency, although he was vigorously pushed into it and badly persecuted ..
      We are on the same wavelength Lyudmila Yakovlevna! love hi
      1. depressant
        depressant 11 November 2020 19: 19
        +2
        Dear colleague, I welcome you! love )))
        1. Turanov
          Turanov 11 November 2020 19: 21
          +1
          Quote: depressant
          Dear colleague, I welcome you! love )))

          You, too, Lud .. We work further! hi
          Everything comes and goes, but the honor remains! soldier
      2. Gene84
        Gene84 15 November 2020 02: 27
        10
        Quote: Turanov
        Plus Trump is that he did not unleash a single war over his presidency, although he was pushed hard and badly persecuted ...

        For that now they will have quite ...
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 11 November 2020 20: 01
    +1
    Yes, a normal "democratic" country: the power of two gangs of thieves fighting for the feeding trough by all means. It has nothing to do with the power of the people. Trump himself is to blame, there were a lot of videos on the Internet showing how hundreds of ballots were transported in cars, but the scarecrow fought with Russia.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 November 2020 20: 49
    +1
    Due to numerous requests from VO users, she is returning to big politics, we all love Jen Psaki, she is a member of the can's transition team. She's already burning. Not everything is rosy with the can.
  • Alevil
    Alevil 12 November 2020 04: 36
    +1
    Putin's elections took place in America too laughing
    With us, it is clear: Vovka and his food were never shy about anything. But America ... the sample and the light in the window (especially for pindodrochev). How can America survive all this, and especially pindodrochem? laughing
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 12 November 2020 06: 23
      0
      Quote: Alevil
      How can America survive all this now, and especially pindodrochem?

      There is another question - how to be with the stolen, sorry with the back-breaking labor acquired, where to store, what to store and whether it will be possible to get back if local problems intensify there.
      1. Alevil
        Alevil 12 November 2020 10: 19
        0
        It is understandable. Moreover, the Anglo-Saxon elite never suffered from pity, sentimentality and humanism. They will rob everyone who can be reached, and even kill many. So for many Russian nouveau riches, the light in the window will turn into a tombstone.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 12 November 2020 10: 42
          -1
          Quote: Alevil
          They will rob everyone who can be reached

          If only this ... globalization and the entire world economy with politics is tied to the United States and the dollar. So they will pull everyone along .. And here the degree of decline and damage depends on the wisdom and governments and the development of national economies.
  • NF68
    NF68 12 November 2020 17: 37
    +1
    What you won't do for the triumph of democracy.
  • saygon66
    saygon66 12 November 2020 22: 46
    0
    - I immediately remembered the words of one of the bloggers: "The results of the elections in the US are extremely important for the citizens of Russia, since they will determine in the next four years who is to blame for the fact that in the entrance again nats @ but!" (FROM) wassat