"For more than a month he led everyone by the nose and surrendered Karabakh in one night" - on the streets of Yerevan about the premiere of Pashinyan

The political forces of Armenia from among 17 parties and social movements announced a large-scale rally for tomorrow. It is reported that the action will take place on the Freedom Square of Yerevan.

The political forces of the Republic of Armenia, including the parties of the National Assembly of Armenia, as well as non-parliamentary parties and associations, announced that they intend to seek the resignation of Prime Minister Pashinyan and the dissolution of the government.

The appeal to the Armenian citizens says that “on the night of November 9-10, 2020 in stories The most shameful page was written in Armenia ”.

At the same time, it is added that it is extremely necessary "to act as a united front, excluding riots and provocations."

Let us remind that from early morning Yerevan turned into an arena of demonstrations. Protesters against Pashinyan's signing of an agreement on the withdrawal of Armenian troops from Karabakh and the transfer of several regions of Nagorno-Karabakh under the control of Azerbaijan, stormed the buildings of parliament and other authorities.

One of those who broke into the parliament building:

We cannot agree that our lands were just given away. We will not surrender, but we will fight to the end.

On the streets of Yerevan, protesters say that for more than a month Prime Minister Pashinyan "led the people by the nose, and then surrendered Karabakh in one night."

Let us remind you that earlier the President of Armenia stated that he learned about the agreement signed with Baku through the mediation of Moscow "from the media" and that no one personally consulted with him.

From other statements on the streets of Yerevan:

We need to consolidate. An Armenian cannot touch an Armenian. We take revenge on the Turks.

Comments

[KKND]

The main thing here is to find a scapegoat. It doesn't matter that the defense budget was 5 times less, it is important to find an extreme one.

[Terrible_L.]

History will put everything in its place and give an answer who Pashinyan is: a traitor who surrendered part of Karabakh, or a savior who stopped the bloodshed.

[figwam]

For more than a month, Prime Minister Pashinyan "led the people by the nose, and then surrendered Karabakh in one night."

Whom they chose and got. Or maybe all this was conceived, they are like that.

[41 REGION]

Quote: figvam

Whom they chose and got. Or maybe all this was intended, they are such

It is possible that Soros needed a conflict, and who won it, he was not interested

[krot]

Azerbaijan has well chosen the time when such an inept leader is at the head of Armenia. He could only promise, no more ..

[Leeds]

They bought flags and banners about the Russian invaders. But now there will be grievances against all Russians and all of Russia.
Could, in my opinion, at least fight for Stepanakert. Then we could say that we rested to the last.

[atalef]

Quote: Leeds

They bought flags and banners about the Russian invaders. But now there will be grievances against all Russians and all of Russia.
Could, in my opinion, at least fight for Stepanakert. Then we could say that we rested to the last.

and that there would be no flags and banners, they would have fought better?

[bar]

and that there would be no flags and banners, they would have fought better?

Last time, without flags, they managed to squeeze 7 regions from Azerbaijan.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bar

Last time, without flags, they managed to squeeze 7 regions from Azerbaijan.

The previous time, in 2016, the positions of the NKR army were shot by Azerbaijanis about the same as now. It was just that at that time Azerbaijan still did not have the strength for a big war.

[d1975]

Dear, the point is not in the flags, but in the fact that they were not ready for war. And how much dirt was poured on Russia. I really don’t feel sorry for them, although I don’t respect the Caspian Turks either. Well, they, at least had an idea, or show off as anyone. You cannot sit on two chairs. The Armenians will have a lesson that Jupiter is allowed, bull is not allowed. Everything was very obvious, you didn't have to be an analyst. Armenia really went nuts and substituted Russia.

[Dmitry Potapov]

Could at least keep the status of the number. If Soros had not been licked and treated with respect to GDP.

[d1975]

what is the status quo? Money is not divided into two.

[zwlad]

Or maybe it was just planned to frame Russia?

[Civil]

The whole of Armenia lost the war, not one crazy Pashinyan ran through the mountains. Well, the ambition had to be kept in check.

[Revolver]

Quote: Civil

not one crazy Pashinyan ran through the mountains

He personally did not run through the mountains, neither with a machine gun, nor even light.
I don’t remember who said, but something like this: "The old and the rich start wars, and the young and the poor die in them."

[Alexey Polyutkin]

That's definitely said!

[Leeds]

The position of Russia and the results acceptable to it could have been different if those events did not take place. I understand that the winning side, like the Turks and the Israelis, is now on yet another emotional upsurge due to the impressive success (not exaggerating) of their UAVs. But is it far-sighted to underestimate the Russian army? It's up to you though. Or do you seriously think that Russia could only observe? We Russians have a short political memory, but the leadership probably drew conclusions for itself then.

[KKND]

Quote: Leeds

They could, in my opinion, at least fight for Stepanakert, then we could say that they resisted to the last.

So Stepanakert stayed behind them.

Quote: Leeds

They bought flags and banners about the Russian invaders. But now there will be grievances against all Russians and all of Russia.

And what if there was a pro-Russian politician sitting there, we should have "harnessed"? Without a common border? And the resentment there will be so and so.

[NTD]

Quote: KKND

So Stepanakert stayed behind them.

You are confusing. There is no Stepanakert. There is Khankendi. No government in Karabakh. Karabakh is Azerbaijan.

[KKND]

Quote: MTN

You are confusing. There is no Stepanakert. There is Khankendi. No government in Karabakh. Karabakh is Azerbaijan.

I thought for a long time who you are and I have this question: what do you have to do with the administration of this site? Why aren't you banned for a record low rating? Why are you allowed to engage in kindling a flame on the site? Do you raise the site's comments and views? How do you know Appolo i.e. are you an old-timer?

[Leeds]

Quote: KKND

Quote: MTN

You are confusing. There is no Stepanakert. There is Khankendi. No government in Karabakh. Karabakh is Azerbaijan.

I thought for a long time who you are and I have this question: what do you have to do with the administration of this site? Why aren't you banned for a record low rating? Why are you allowed to engage in kindling a flame on the site? Do you raise the site's comments and views? How do you know Appolo i.e. are you an old-timer?

Those. here should everyone have one position on all issues? Maybe we won't play madness, since this is a platform for discussions. If not, take everyone out, start with those who do not believe in the success of the BMP-1 in the duel with Abrams, and deny the fact of the capture of KamAZ with javelins near Kharkov.

[KKND]

Quote: Leeds

Those. here should everyone have one position on all issues? Maybe we won't play madness, since this is a platform for discussions.

No, I am for different positions, I have a suspicion that some Israeli comrades like the residents of this site like the professor or the atalef are not from Israel at all. Perhaps these are just avatars of the site's employees, designed to increase the number of comments, views, interest in this resource. Previously, they even had flags that they were from Israel, identified by IP. So, the use of EMNIP proxy servers in 2018 became illegal and the flags disappeared from this resource almost immediately.
I still have a lot of circumstantial evidence of this version for a long time to list.
In any case, this is just guesswork.
Now comrades from Azerbaijan have been added to the comrades from Israel.
In any case, I am not claiming anything.

[Walking]

There was a kind of Azerbaijani mafia here, my rating was twice removed for comments against.

[NTD]

Quote: KKND

Previously, they even had flags that they were from Israel, identified by IP.

Do you know a VPN? Any flag can be put, this is not an indicator.

Quote: KKND

Now comrades from Azerbaijan have been added to the comrades from Israel.

Dear I have been here since 2012.

[KKND]

Quote: MTN

Do you know a VPN?

So VPN is a proxy server. In the Russian Federation, citizens are prohibited.

Quote: MTN

Dear I have been here since 2012.

Well, this is exactly what makes me suspicious. The site has been working since 2010.

[nobody75]

VPN and proxy - server are different things. It is impossible to ban them. And it is not necessary. For the first time I hear from you about proxy prohibition.
Sincerely

[KKND]

Indeed, I read VPN and proxy is basically allowed.
But there was also a "bucha" from Roskomnadzor on this matter.
https://www.cnews.ru/news/top/2017-07-20_iskorenyat_vpn_i_anonimajzery_v_rossii_budut
I don't know, maybe something scared the site administration.
Maybe they removed the icons for a completely different reason.
In any case, I will not prove anything, and I am not going to.

[nobody75]

And what can Roskomnadzor do to pptp and OpenVPN protocols? They can be cut only by the provider, deeply analyzing the packets. No one will prevent you from connecting two routers using a VPN. Moreover, users will not even know that they are using it. No, advanced users will certainly see gray ip addresses from geographically distant networks and routes to them. I somehow set up the VPN server in such a way that when I connected, I had a dynamic ip from a remote server and traffic to certain nodes automatically went through the VPN. Mobile providers often cut GRE and it is not possible to transfer the login and password, which means it is legitimate.
As for the proxy server, it becomes transparent, this is when the firewall or router automatically turns traffic with destination ports 80 and 443 to the proxy server and opaque when manual or automatic configuration occurs in the browser. In the first case, the user does not even know that his traffic is being proxied. Many companies use this to look at the logs which sites employees visit. The proxy server intercepts all http requests and executes them on its own behalf, there you can even specify the type of browser.
Sincerely

[Leeds]

Quote: KKND

Quote: Leeds

Those. here should everyone have one position on all issues? Maybe we won't play madness, since this is a platform for discussions.

No, I am for different positions, I have a suspicion that some Israeli comrades like the residents of this site like the professor or the atalef are not from Israel at all. Perhaps these are just avatars of the site's employees, designed to increase the number of comments, views, interest in this resource. Previously, they even had flags that they were from Israel, identified by IP. So, the use of EMNIP proxy servers in 2018 became illegal and the flags disappeared from this resource almost immediately.
I still have a lot of circumstantial evidence of this version for a long time to list.
In any case, this is just guesswork.
Now comrades from Azerbaijan have been added to the comrades from Israel.
In any case, I am not claiming anything.

Got the message. I would not be surprised if so))

[NTD]

Quote: Leeds

Those. here should everyone have one position on all issues?

Sometimes the audience here doesn't like a different position. There are people who do not like a particular position. There are many disadvantages for this.

Thanks for the adequate answer to the KKND user

[nobody75]

Quote: MTN

Sometimes the audience here doesn't like a different position

Yes, especially when the dead are publicly bullied, like you did yesterday

[Leeds]

Quote: MTN

Quote: Leeds

Those. here should everyone have one position on all issues?

Sometimes the audience here doesn't like a different position. There are people who do not like a particular position. There are many disadvantages for this.

Thanks for the adequate answer to the KKND user

I have already changed my general's shoulder straps twice for stripes for mercilessness towards the Mihan))

[NTD]

Quote: KKND

I thought for a long time who you are and I have this question: what do you have to do with the administration of this site?

I have nothing to do with it.

Quote: KKND

Why aren't you banned for a record low rating?

The fact that I have minuses does not mean that I

Quote: KKND

Why you are allowed to engage in kindling a flame on the site

Many accuse, but cannot prove it. Yes, sometimes, alas, I succumb to my emotions, but I am always ready for an objective dialogue.

Quote: KKND

Do you raise the site's comments and views?

I personally never thought about it. I write when I see someone is not telling the truth. I write when I have at least 90% facts. I do not like it when they are looking for a speck of dust in someone else's eye while they do not see the logs under their own eye.

Quote: KKND

How do you know Appolo

Was my friend. Together sometimes (when the time happened) met. They ate and drank. It's a pity such a man died.

If you write honestly, we can become friends. I do not like to communicate with amateurs and liars, I really like to read the local experts.

[nobody75]

Do you like to mock the dead?

[Leeds]

Quote: KKND

Quote: Leeds

They could, in my opinion, at least fight for Stepanakert, then we could say that they resisted to the last.

So Stepanakert stayed behind them.

Quote: Leeds

They bought flags and banners about the Russian invaders. But now there will be grievances against all Russians and all of Russia.

And what if there was a pro-Russian politician sitting there, we should have "harnessed"? Without a common border? And the resentment there will be so and so.

Until December 1 or whatever.

In my opinion, if desired, our leadership, considering it appropriate, could provide support comparable to the Turkish one, and then everything would be delayed in the mountainous regions and could win back in the opposite direction. The Ukrainian Armed Forces also used aviation at first, if anyone has forgotten, and then sat in the boilers. A success hangover can be painful.
But it turned out the way it did.
And today's protests and issued slogans resemble a conventional Negro boxer, impudent in a duel of views and on Twitter, but who, after the lights went out and the judge counted and raised his hands, begins to rush and rush around the corners “I can still fight, you stopped the fight early ". Such an analogy

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Leeds

They bought flags and banners about the Russian invaders. But now there will be grievances against all Russians and all of Russia.

Well, “you can't put a scarf on every mouth!” - so they used to say in Russia! Why should we worry? Us Rat! How will we survive!

[private person]

They bought flags and banners about the Russian invaders.

So they are still waving flags, it's not like going to fight, they won't kill.

[bk0010]

Quote: Leeds

Could, in my opinion, at least fight for Stepanakert.

They had to fight for Shusha, this is the key, after taking it there was nothing to catch.

[nobody75]

Excuse me, they are who?
Sincerely

[bk0010]

Quote: nobody75

Excuse me, they are who?

Armenians. After its capture for Stepanakert, it makes no sense to fight (IMHO, of course): they will shoot (there are less than 4 km to the outskirts of Stepanakert in a straight line, artillery can hit almost with direct fire).

[nobody75]

Do the Armenians actually need it? Karabakh? If they needed him so much, they would not have expelled the "Karabakhites" in 2018 ...
Sincerely

[210ox]

Unskillful? I think he's a calculating and slippery guy. However, maybe the Armenians deserve it. They have poured too much dirt on us lately.

[Clear]

Quote: 210ox

However, maybe

it's too much

Quote: 210ox

the Armenians deserve it.

that's for sure

[lis-ik]

Quote: krot

Azerbaijan has well chosen the time when such an inept leader is at the head of Armenia. He could only promise, no more ..

Armenians always have one show-off, so the moment has nothing to do with it.

[Leeds]

Quote: lis-ik

Quote: krot

Azerbaijan has well chosen the time when such an inept leader is at the head of Armenia. He could only promise, no more ..

Armenians always have one show-off, so the moment has nothing to do with it.

When the army technically loses in all respects, it is not the show-off that decides the outcome.

[RUSS]

Quote: 41 REGION

soros needs

Who is Soros?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: figvam

For more than a month, Prime Minister Pashinyan "led the people by the nose, and then surrendered Karabakh in one night."

Whom they chose and got. Or maybe all this was conceived, they are like that.

We do not know what was planned there. But ... Pashinyan did not have to puff up and insult Aliyev, but to conduct endless negotiations, gradually returning the occupied areas. And the NGO would have remained with the Armenians. But no, I had to play tough Armenian. Got it, damn it.

[Koval Sergey]

Quote: figvam

Whom they chose and got.

I think they were not expecting this. A kind of "pleasant surprise" ...

[jovanni]

Quote: Scary_L.

... who Pashinyan is: a traitor who surrendered part of Karabakh, or a savior who stopped the bloodshed.

It doesn't matter who he is, this character, if only not another tenant of the city of Rostov. Go out to Philadelphia to go to his Bidon ... If he can get off ...

[Revolver]

And this [waste of digestion with the letter "G"] we need in America? No, no, to Rostov! Well, or to the native land of small but proud and independent Armenia, and on top of a slab with a sentimental inscription.

[SSR]

Quote: Scary_L.

Pashinyan: a traitor who surrendered part of Karabakh, or a savior who stopped the bloodshed.

So it will be, and if now Azerbaijan and Armenia open the way for each other, then this toast-talker will waddle, beat his chest and fight to the last Armenian.))

One of those who broke into the parliament building:

We cannot agree that our lands were just given away. We will not surrender, but we will fight to the end.

And where was he before?)) Why is he fighting with the "parliament"?
He just knows that the parliament will not sweep him with art.
PS.
I hope they will share and there will be peace.

[Revolver]

Quote from S.S.R.

I hope they will share and there will be peace.

Don't get your hopes up. Peace was there only under the Russian Empire and the USSR. Armenians lived in their villages, Azerbaijanis in theirs, no one touched anyone, did not demand any sovereignty, and did not even dream of them. But in the interval between the Empire and the USSR, and at the end of the USSR, when all and sundry began to demand sovereignty, there and then began to rashes. Now, if someday there will again be the Baku, Erivan, and Tiflis provinces, there will be peace and order.

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

And why am I not sorry for the Armenians, well, not a bit ???

[hrych]

Congratulations, Karabakh .... is ours. And if it weren't for the little magpie, this would not have happened. Also, thanks to the Maydauns for the Crimea and Donbass. Thanks to Saakavshvylo for South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Thank you all for the Syrian shelf. Maybe Soros is our man?

[KKND]

Quote: hrych

Congratulations, Karabakh .... is ours.

And in 5 years? Then the peacekeepers were not in all of Karabakh, and Aliyev overcame a part. Fortifications must be built in 5 years, equipment must be purchased .... At whose expense will Armenians buy equipment? There should be accounts for tens of billions of dollars.

[hrych]

Quote: KKND

not all over Karabakh, Aliyev still squeezed

Well, he fought. In general, it is clear that the Russian Federation will dominate, but because it is the Russian Federation For Armenians, technology is shish. There is OUR technique, with OUR fighters. And the soldiers of the NKR army ... will be ours, not theirs.

[Revolver]

Quote: hrych

And the soldiers of the NKR army ... will be ours, not theirs.

Do you need it for Russian guys to shed blood for Karabakh or Aptsax, whatever you call it? But there will be no peace, at best a shaky truce, so they will be fired on from both sides.

[hrych]

No one will shoot, and the reason is precisely in the control of the RF FSB of the road breaking through the blockade, both in Armenia, as in NKR and in Nakhichevan. Which is larger than N. Karabakh and with almost half a million population. Due to the blockade, there is no extraction of the most valuable minerals, such as molybdenum. The lifting of blockades is the main result of the war. And the control of the path is ours.

[Archivist Vasya]

And after 5 years?

Wanguyu - when our peacekeepers leave, and Azerbaijan integrates and strengthens the territories it has won, then there will be a new reason to resume hostilities. Naturally, Armenia again will not be ready ... if in 25-30 years they have not been able to create an effective army and defense, then 5 is definitely not enough.

[KKND]

Quote: Archivist Vasya

then there will be a new reason to resume hostilities.

It is possible, as in this war, for no reason. The return of the occupied territories is a great excuse.
The most interesting battlefield for Azerbaijan remained and this is equipment, spare parts, fortifications.
The spirit of patriotism is high.

[Kasym]

Now, in my opinion, Baku should be "drawn" into the CSTO and the EAEU. Otherwise, I am afraid that Erdogan will "drag" Azerbaijanis into his "showdown" in Libya, Syria and Iraq.
Yerevan needs a corridor to Russia, Baku to Nakhichevan - do they bargain ?!

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Baku and NATO country Turkey are brothers, that NATO is getting closer to the borders of Russia Putin will treat Erdogan with ice cream and Erdo's friend will say come on now and export Iskander take C 400 bought Iskander now Take

[VyacheSeymour]

Now, in my opinion, Baku should be "drawn" into the CSTO and the EAEU.

Well, until Baku and Yerevan settle everything, it is unlikely ... Azerbaijan has not been torn into any kind of unity before, - and here Armenia will be against ... - well, they will not again (after the defeat in Karabakh) Armenia defiantly tilt!

Otherwise, I am afraid that Erdogan will "drag" Azerbaijanis into his "showdown" in Libya, Syria and Iraq.

And that Baku gave reason to doubt its political maturity?

[Essex62]

"Two countries, one people". Involved by all means.

[VyacheSeymour]

"Two countries, one people". Involved by all means.

Well, you know better ... - from the gallery then ...

[Essex62]

Aliyev lies under the Sultan, it can be seen even from the basement.

[VyacheSeymour]

Aliyev lies under the sultan, it can be seen even from the basement

Get out of the basement - look at the light of day! ...
all life in the vertual will pass! ... The nuclear winter is over, and has not begun!

[Essex62]

I don't see anything good in this world. And my life was spent in another world. Human and comfortable. It is a pity that not all, was born late. What kind of virtual are you broadcasting to a Bolshevik-materialist?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Archivist Vasya

Wangyu - when our peacekeepers leave,

Are you sure they will leave? There is nothing more permanent than temporary.

[Cron]

Quote: Archivist Vasya

And after 5 years?

Wanguyu - when our peacekeepers leave, and Azerbaijan integrates and strengthens the territories it has won, then there will be a new reason to resume hostilities. Naturally, Armenia again will not be ready ... if in 25-30 years they have not been able to create an effective army and defense, then 5 is definitely not enough.

If you take a map and look at the territories that went to Azerbaijan, you will see that there is no talk of creating an effective defense there. Stepanakert is in full view, the dominant heights are behind the Azerbaijanis, nothing will be left of the city in a matter of hours. And the very territory that the Armenians inherited is in fact surrounded. In short, the question is closed.

[nobody75]

Does the city of Baku have an effective defense against the Caspian Flotilla? And what about Istanbul from the Black Sea Fleet? Only about NATO is not necessary ... They simply will not have time to help, even if they want to.
Sincerely

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: nobody75

And what about Istanbul from the Black Sea Fleet?

The Turkish Navy is 2 heads superior to the Russian Black Sea Fleet

[nobody75]

For TNW? At the Black Sea Fleet, if one "Moscow" is shot by "Vulcan" ...
Sincerely

[OgnennyiKotik]

Yes Yes. TNW. Storyteller.

[nobody75]

The storyteller is Aliyev - he tried to reach the end, but only reached the handle

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: nobody75

The storyteller is Aliyev - he tried to reach the end, but only reached the handle

What he sought and fulfilled. Instead of losing their soldiers, Russian soldiers will do everything. And the corridor to Nakhichevan is a wonderful dessert they only dreamed of.

[nobody75]

Now there is our military base in Azerbaijan ... And yours?

[nobody75]

What he sought and fulfilled.

Are you talking about Pashaev?

[Incvizitor]

If they buy it or they will continue to rake it.

[Nastia makarova]

will be sold on credit

[Bagatur]

Krim and Donbas are yours, Ukraine has lost ... It's a great replacement ...

[hrych]

Ukraine was lost in 1991, and Crimea was returned to in 2014. Duc Crimea and Donbass are more expensive than the rest of Ukraine

[New Year day]

Quote: hrych

Duc Crimea and Donbass are more expensive than the rest of Ukraine

Exactly? From Sumy closer to Moscow than from Crimea, and from Kharkov?

[Terenin]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: hrych

Duc Crimea and Donbass are more expensive than the rest of Ukraine

Right? From Sumy closer to Moscow than from Crimea, and from Kharkov?

How can it be "exactly"when talking about attitude, and you about kilometers

[Lvalentine]

Dear, Donbass is not ours and will never be ours. There are no Russian troops or administrative political departments and so on. There is not even an inclination to integrate something. And if anyone speaks Russian, it means nothing. And the "North Wind" is not subject to Russia. Once the goals of the project are met, everything will be merged. Either under the Minsk agreements, or by military means. This project reminds me of the ISIS project. There, too, they supplied 300000 Syrian army, 200000 Iraqi army, 100000 Peshmerga from Baghdad to Damascus. And everyone is sure that this was done by the barmaley on carts.

[hrych]

Quote: Lvalentin

Donbass is not ours

And our citizens

[nobody75]

In fact, ISIS is the Iraqi army and was ...
Sincerely

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

Cream is Cho? The same as the whale? For this in the Crimea, you can get it in the face ... And having told you a whale, what do we need Ukraine? Taki Bandera Ukraine? It is needed as a territory, without a weathervane-boys and a weathervane-girls. So, for information.

[akarfoxhound]

Firstly, Ukraine was not lost not in 2014, but 20 years before that, at least, and secondly, if it were not for the Crimea and Donbass back home in 2014, then your overseas owners in my native Sevastopol have been "settling in" for 6 years ... And I am absolutely sure of all this, tk. I drew my confidence not from newspapers with TVs. And they lost Ukraine not because they took Crimea, but because they left Crimea with the pot-headed Ukraine, so it's a great replacement, at least they took something of their own!
Well, is the causal relationship restored?

[Clear]

Quote: bagatura

Krim and Donbas are yours, Ukraine has lost ... It's a great replacement ...

You are right, for me, such a cool replacement
Let the one who found her (the lost Ukraine), he babysit with her.

[Karabin]

Quote: bagatura

Cool replacement ...

Here is an unpleasant, but true. Therefore, the minuses were thrown.

Quote: bagatura

Cream and Donbas are yours,

Crimea is ours, but not 100%. As before, many large Russian companies, incl. with a controlling stake in the state, they do not work there. The status of Donbass is even more uncertain than Artsakh had until recently.

[Essex62]

And where does the bourgeoisie? We are talking about the people. For the backbone, the margin is the homeland. Psat our moneybags of sanctions and raids on their accounts and real estate over the hill. So they don't work in Crimea.

[halpat]

Quote: hrych

Congratulations, Karabakh .... is ours. And if it weren't for the little magpie, this would not have happened. Also, thanks to the Maydauns for the Crimea and Donbass. Thanks to Saakavshvylo for South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Thank you all for the Syrian shelf. Maybe Soros is our man?

George Soros is an old Hungarian Jew who served the SS Germans in his youth during the time of Horthy.
He was even once asked if he was ashamed of those times. And he answered clearly: No.
And he didn't comment anymore.
So his position is clear and understandable.

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Donbass this is a direct ukram lesson showed how they need to do with Donbass that they will soon, with the support of Baydan, do

[hrych]

Quote: Alexander Galaktionov

what they will soon do with the support of Baydan

First, you need to prepare for this for 30 years. like Aliyev. Secondly, it is necessary to elect a soroset to the LDNR, ala Pashinyan. Thirdly, you need to have money for the war, as Aliyev's wells give. Maybe something is raging Fourth, you must not have an enemy of the Russian nation. It hurts good fighters. Fifth, not to have a land or sea border with the Russian Federation. Change the geography. And then a lesson, straight to use

[Alexander Galaktionov]

This is a lesson on Karabakh that Azerbaijan showed with Turkey, Ukrainians will take it into account.This is how the Armenians did not recognize Karabakh and Russia did not recognize Donbass

[hrych]

Quote: Alexander Galaktionov

Armenians did not recognize Karabakh and Russia did not recognize Donbass

So Armenia and not Russia. The wrong scale.

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Russia also does not recognize Donbass, and if the Ukrainians do not bother them, they will merge as an example of how Azerbaijan destroyed the C 300 in Armenia itself, we are in the CSTO))

[hrych]

Quote: Alexander Galaktionov

Russia also does not recognize Donbass

Of course ... they issued passports and that's it

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Passports and what? They will say an obvious occupation and the mercenaries will say with these passports, if it’s true they still have pastors 404, then it’s more difficult, although the Kremlin will also surrender Donbass

[hrych]

Quote: Alexander Galaktionov

will hand over Donbass

can we wait for the result, but let's not fantasize?

[Amba412]

We did not recognize Ossetia until 08.08.08. Remind me of how it ended for the Georgians? For ukrov, everything will be much worse

[Karabin]

Quote: hrych

Not that scale.

THAT scale remains in memory. In reality, it is equal to Turkish, which Erdogan has repeatedly checked.

[hrych]

Quote: Karabin

Erdogan has repeatedly checked

On its own skin ... with an economic blow of tens of billions, destroyed by sabotage under three dozen elite pilots and under a hundred wounded. In the change of caste by ruling Turkey for a century, etc.

[Karabin]

Quote: hrych

On my own skin ...

Even so. But this does not negate the fact that the scale of Russia's influence is at the Turkish level, despite the presence of nuclear weapons.

[hrych]

Quote: Karabin

influence of the Russian Federation at the level of Turkish

The thwarted coup and the destroyed caste that ruled Turkey for a century are on the conscience of the Russian Federation. Therefore, the influence of the Russian Federation on Turkey itself is enormous. Blue and Turkish streams make the Turkish economy fatally dependent on the Russian Federation. On the contrary, the influence of Turkey? Turkish panties? Well, yes, they shit in the Caucasus, there was a case. Therefore, there can be no equal influence in the region of the country with us, depending on us, with the regime, in whose enthronement our key role. By the very influence on the Transcaucasia. The influence of Turkey on Georgia is conditional. So Adjara has strong positions and that's it. Russia, on the other hand, has Abkhazia and South Ossetia under complete control. The Turks have no influence on Armenia at all, while the Russian Federation still has a military base and completely controls the economy. Azerbaijan, so rather the Turks depend on it for hydrocarbons. Russia is the main supplier of weapons. Our troops are in Karabakh. We also need to see who influences AzR more. Moreover, supplies to Nakhichevan are being controlled by the RF FSB.

[New Year day]

Quote: hrych

First you need to prepare for this for 30 years.

What they do

Quote: hrych

Soros should be elected to the LDNR, ala Pashinyan

And that was done, even if not from Soros. What is the credibility of the new ones? Where are those warriors who could carry along and were the face of the LPNR?

Quote: hrych

you need not have an enemy of the Russian nation.

What nation is this? Are Belarusians and Ukrainians not Slavs? How many heroes in WWII were their nationalities?

[hrych]

Quote: Silvestr

What nation is this?

Belarusians and Little Russians are of course Russian. Pasechnik was the head of the LPR Ministry of State Security, and Pushilin was one of the Partyigenosse of the Russian spring. This is all right. Since 14, 30 years have not yet passed

[bober1982]

Quote: Silvestr

Where are those warriors who

Dear Sylvester, and you have a lexicon, Bandera, but ...

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Hrych and who is the head of the DPR Pushilin is a former MMM man with a passport of the Russian Federation and reg under St. Petersburg

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Yes I look and where Mozgovoy, Motorola, Givi and other prominent militiamen Here even Strelkov and Olkhon gnawed at it, which is very bad

[hrych]

Warlords are not good rulers. Pushilin is a significant figure in the Russian Spring. For the past, including MMM ... amnesty. You never know what happened. No one is sinless, except Christ.

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Yes, they removed all the field workers for the People, they appointed someone who would hand over everything according to the instructions from the Kremlin

[Amba412]

Shooters are not an indicator. He lives quietly in Russia, and muddies the waters in social networks. But Motorola was clearly removed. If you can still attach the 9th special regiment to Givi. There was a classic work. The most taught this, then to undermine the elevator in an apartment building, only their surroundings are tied up

[rotfuks]

What did you keep silent about Alexander Zakharchenko? There is pure sabotage with the participation of foreign states. The cafe visitors were watched through a video camera and blew up at the right moment. For such an online disruption, Ukraine simply does not have the technology and resources. Yes, and Givi was blown up by first introducing a blonde to him. Blonda rubbed into his trust for six months. This is also not Ukrainian handwriting. And Motorulla was not leaked from his entourage, but obviously with the participation of his wife.

[Amba412]

Lord! Well, what resources are needed for remote blasting? We only need people who will merge time and place. And everything else is for straight hands. This is not nuclear technology. And with straight hands, unfortunately, everything is fine with dill. If my memory serves me, 6 out of 22 GRU special forces brigades in Ukraine were based. And nobody canceled the intelligence faculty at the Kiev school. And from there, half of the special forces officers left. So, to my great regret, they have the technology and training.

[rotfuks]

Don't entangle the Lord in such stories. You don't seem to be blonde. Before the explosion, Zakharchenko removed a mine in the toilet of another cafe and examined the mine. Mina was with a video camera and watched all the visitors to the outhouse. Judging by the quality of the camera and the method of signal transmission, the mine was not Ukrop. The video signal was transmitted by satellite to completely non-brothers and to another country. Apparently, after removing the mine, the specialists calmed down and Zakharchenko was caught on a different technology.

[Amba412]

And with Givi, just a classic of the genre. There was the main problem in the group's departure. And everything else is routine. For a couple of days of observation, calculate the daily routine of the battalion commander, calculate the windows of his office and, during the morning debriefing, cut a bumblebee shot through the window. The task is not difficult

[rotfuks]

About Givi and a bumblebee shot through the window is the version for the official media. Don't believe these fairy tales. There was a remote detonation.

[akarfoxhound]

Only Banderzyans with "Donbass region", walking on a small one, do not take into account the direction of the wind and all the time walk against the wind, the north wind. And they return very upset, periodically going on a big trip, with trousers full of impressions. And Biden is like that, he does not feel sorry for either Banderzian or diapers for democracy

[Leeds]

Quote: hrych

Congratulations, Karabakh .... is ours. And if it weren't for the little magpie, this would not have happened. Also, thanks to the Maydauns for the Crimea and Donbass. Thanks to Saakavshvylo for South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Thank you all for the Syrian shelf. Maybe Soros is our man?

For examination.

[hrych]

Quote: Leeds

For examination

Viktor Troshka?

[voyaka uh]

"Congratulations, Karabakh .... is ours" ///
---
In the sense - Azerbaijani?
I didn't know that you are a patriot of this country.
The surrender of Armenia sincerely upset many ...

[hrych]

Quote: voyaka uh

In the sense - Azerbaijani?

Our troops entered there without a fight (ours). Take control of the border and communications. They take control of communications to Nakhichevan, etc. If you don't understand what this means, then learn geopolitics, sonny ... from Putin

[voyaka uh]

I'm learning from you. You have a curious world in your head, parallel and, as it were, the reverse of the real world. I love people with a similar fantasy.

[hrych]

Quote: voyaka uh

You have a curious world in your head

You write from right to left, but speak in a purely written language, without vowels, which from the bulldozer put Masorets and even then not everywhere. Therefore, your world is different from the holes ... the rest.

[Tusv]

Quote: voyaka uh

You have a curious world in your head, parallel and, as it were, the reverse of the real world.

And what is the "parallel world" of your interlocutor? The man with the nickname Khrych, it seems, has not confused anything. Aliyev gladly accepted the bone from the Kremlin table, not the whole of Karabakh. And I would try not to rejoice after the knocked down turntable and the death of our two military men. We are bringing in a decent military contingent there, which in modern history is de facto Russian land, and de jure somehow does not care

[KKND]

Quote: hrych

Our troops entered there without a fight (ours). Take control of the border and communications. Take control of communications to Nakhichevan, etc.

By the way, it reminded me of 1999 and the rush of our paratroopers to Pristina. I was little then, but I remember those victorious reports on TV, how we bent the Americans and now everything will be ours.
Then, many years later, they began to speak completely different words. As always, our propaganda is on top.

[hrych]

Quote: KKND

By the way, it reminded me of 1999 and the rush of our paratroopers to Pristina.

Not this way. Here is the mutual consent of the warring parties. The airfield was then captured, and the Bulgarians did not give the air corridor for the transfer of reinforcements. Nooooo, EBN, was so impressed by the events in Yugoslavia that the course of the Russian Federation changed and Putin appeared to the people. This throw is not in vain, oh, not in vain. The chain of cause and effect has been launched. Something like this.

[Bully]

Our troops entered there without a fight (ours). Take control of the border and communications

I agree, colleague. State think, geopolitically ... Most of the inhabitants piously believe what is literally written in the contracts

[Incvizitor]

After such a drain, their surrender may well be like a victory for them.

[210ox]

Our? It will become Turkish in five years.

[hrych]

Quote: 210ox

It will become Turkish in five years

In five years, there will be no Turkey either

[2 Level Advisor]

dreamer .. you called me .. dreamer .. Hrych .. What are the prerequisites for the disappearance of Turkey? or so .. Th thread to say if only? maybe you are just an optimist looking for something good in everything .. well then I understand .. and in addition the question .. is that now in the Azrb there will be a base of Turkish "peacekeepers" is Putin's victory? Oh well..

[hrych]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

What are the prerequisites for the disappearance of Turkey?

Erdogan's conflict with the US and EU. Conflict with Arabs and Jews. Conflict with Kurds, Armenians and Greeks. Conflict with the Kemalist Gulenists. Looming economic disaster.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

something good in everything

And what is wrong with the seizure of NKR and communications by peacekeepers, i.e. Russian army? People are mercilessly fighting for this. And we took the topic and the most important strategic lands without a fight.

[nobody75]

What are the prerequisites for the disappearance of Turkey?

Gülen is alive and free. For the Saudis, "Neo-Ottomanism" is like a bone in the throat. They do not want to share the "Gift of Allah". And Erdogan will sooner or later challenge control over Mecca and Medina. In addition, Turkey supports Qatar, hated by the House of Saud ... Iran also saw the Neo-Ottoman Empire in a coffin and in white slippers.
Many people think that Turkey's influence in Transcaucasia and Central Asia is due to Erdogan's militant policies. But this is not the case. Turkey's penetration into these regions is the result of the painstaking work of the Gulenists. In fact, Erdogan is wasting the resources accumulated before him, which completely suits Russia.
Sincerely

[Amba412]

You have forgotten that Azeris are Shiites. And Gülen is held in high esteem by their imam

[nobody75]

You are absolutely right! Aliyev has already thrown Erdogan ...
Sincerely

[Leeds]

Quote: hrych

Quote: 210ox

It will become Turkish in five years

In five years, there will be no Turkey either

There they called for a person to be banned for a low rating, but here the plus-size marshal gives out such that the administration should think about who is "more useful")))

[hrych]

You are her mother, history is more valuable

[nobody75]

In five years, there will be no Turkey either
There they called for a person to be banned for a low rating, but here the plus-size marshal gives out such that the administration should think about who is "more useful")))

In vain you are so ...
The revival of the Ottoman Empire is the death of not only the Saudi kingdom, but all the "rich" states of the Gulf. Iraq, for example, was also her wilayet ...
And how do you think the Arabs treat the "friend Recep"?
And the Saudis literally feed Egypt with bread for their money. Among the Arab countries, this is a state with a strong army and the largest mob. resource ... Do you think Egypt just got into a fight with Turkey in Libya? Why would he want the Mistral? And who paid for them?
How long will Israel survive if Erdogan becomes Sultan? They did not forget about the "Freedom Flotilla" ...
Sincerely

[Clear]

Quote: hrych

Also, thanks to the Maydauns for Crimea and Donbass.

Really ... They would have waited a little with the next elections and the Banderaites would have come to power anyway, and the best thing is, we would have paid the rent of the naval base in Sevostopol ...

[Runoway]

Please explain what I don’t understand

Saakavshvylo for South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

-YU. Ossetia may have been returned, but Georgia lost its ally even before Saakashvili, now our enemies are fierce, and the barges on the shelves and% of businessmen in Moscow, and what is South Ossetia + a freeloader (gas / electricity at a free price and permanent unpaid loans)

Donbass

and where is he our Donbass ??? Thrown in limbo Russian people living under bullets in global poverty. Again, + maintenance costs, their coal did not surrender to anyone. In fact, they did not give the ukram and did not take it for themselves. They created an offshore zone in its purest form and spat on people.

Thank you all for the Syrian shelf

Well, here, in general, Zhuravlik is not even in the sky, but perhaps somewhere over the horizon, they developed their sea shelves with the help of Shell before the sanctions, and nobody invests or develops their own, ridiculously in Kapotna, Hydrocracking was built under Italian supervision from Italian pipes, their NO.

Karabakh .... ours

Why do we need him ???? Children to serve the raids of the barmaleev to fight off ?? Armenia was lost with the arrival of Pashinyan, Azerbaijan is now great, can afford to shoot down Russian helicopters with impunity (friend Erdogan apparently taught)
But half of Moscow is in Azeris and Armenians, why do we need them, Armenians even have their own TV channel (TNT)
We (RF) have all the trump cards for economic leverage in our hands, and we are friends and we collect spits in our direction

[hrych]

There was no ally - Georgia. Donbass received Russian citizenship, received the Russian economy, received military assistance. And de jure does not mean anything when de facto LDNR ... ours.

Quote: Runoway

Armenia was lost with the arrival of Pashinyan

And Armenia was not lost and Azerbaijan under our control.

Quote: Runoway

and spitting in our direction

They spit with weakness.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Runoway

-YU. Ossetia may have been returned, but Georgia lost its ally even before Saakashvili, now our enemies are fierce

And independent Georgia has never been an ally. That in the Civil, when the Georgians fell first under the Germans, and then under the British and captured the entire Sochi region. What in the 90s, when the Russian Armed Forces pulled out of Abkhazia (actually from the execution) Chevy immediately demanded "invaders - get out"(I'm not talking about his predecessor).

[Amba412]

I served in Georgia for a term in 90-91. So they were not allies of either the USSR or Russia. ki they what then what now

[times]

No matter how you have to bring peacekeepers to Armenia ...

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: mal

No matter how you have to bring peacekeepers to Armenia ...

No matter how it is necessary to save the 102nd base, it is no longer necessary to bring peacekeepers to Armenia. I don't like their current internal political tendencies. Common slogans - Pashinyan and Putin sold us to Erdogan and Aliyev, the Russians won, the war to the end. On this wave, many will want to come to power. Nationalists will come to power, shoot the peacekeepers, and we will get a war with Armenia. We must somehow smooth out this process, probably.

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

Well, we need to start the withdrawal of the Gyumri base (so, for visibility). Let These get cut a little. Until the "occupants" are called back.

[alexmach]

Let these proud Caucasians cut each other to their fill

So in fact they have already given a little. It seems that they have been vaccinated against jingoistic patriotism.

[Leeds]

Quote: oleg123219307

Quote: mal

No matter how you have to bring peacekeepers to Armenia ...

No matter how it is necessary to save the 102nd base, it is no longer necessary to bring peacekeepers to Armenia. I don't like their current internal political tendencies. Common slogans - Pashinyan and Putin sold us to Erdogan and Aliyev, the Russians won, the war to the end. On this wave, many will want to come to power. Nationalists will come to power, shoot the peacekeepers, and we will get a war with Armenia. We must somehow smooth out this process, probably.

The neighbors have already attacked the peacekeepers. Come tell me what happened in those days for this.

[Amba412]

That's it! Ours will also need a corridor for the passage. And the shortest is through Georgia. Batumi as a transshipment is quite suitable))))) And in Adjara, the Turks bought 90 percent of the land. So they will combine our useful with the pleasant)

[maktub]

I also think that this is not the end

[Vadim237]

In this case, Armenia itself will have a cover - since Azerbaijan and Turkey will be at our side to help us in this situation - a big lavash will come out of the Armenians.

[New Year day]

Quote: oleg123219307

No matter how you have to save 102 bases,

[Evil543]

"We cannot agree that our lands were given away for no reason. We will not surrender, but we will fight to the end."

The main thing is that they are shouting not from the trenches, but from the capital.

[41 REGION]

Quote: Evil543

The main thing is that they are shouting not from the trenches, but from the capital.

It's easier to smash a building than to dig trenches

[Evil543]

Especially in the mountains

[NEOZ]

Quote: KKND

It doesn't matter that the defense budget was 5 times less, it is important to find an extreme one.

what was the budget difference between the DRV and the USA?

[KKND]

The DRV of the USSR helped, but not at all in small amounts. Just think how many one 1,6 ton 2-stage liquid-propellant rocket for the S-75 stood and were supplied in thousands. You can remember the newest MiG-21. Who helped the Armenians? Again we are, but not in thousands.

[fa2998]

Well, the Soviet Union and China should be added to the FER budget. Still, the aid was not weak

[Reviews]

Quote: NEOZ

Quote: KKND

It doesn't matter that the defense budget was 5 times less, it is important to find an extreme one.

what was the budget difference between the DRV and the USA?

The difference between the USSR and Finland in 1939 is more revealing.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: NEOZ

what was the budget difference between the DRV and the USA?

silly logic. It is necessary to compare the budgets of the two Vietnam, between which, in fact, there was a civil war. And sponsors separately.

[Old tanker]

This is just an excuse for the opposition to throw off Pashinyan the little merry. Such a fate would await anyone in his place. That's just why all these protesters are not in defense of Karabakh with weapons in their hands, but in Yerevan? Yes, because they do not care about Karabakh, about the deaths of the boys, the main thing for them is to take power, and the crowd to play around and destroy.

[KKND]

Quote: Old Tankman

Just why are all these protesters not in defense of Karabakh with arms in hand, but in Yerevan?

Well, after all, dying without a chance of winning is somewhat demoralizing.

Quote: Old Tankman

Such a fate would await anyone in his place.

Yes, as old as the world. In these cases, the "head" flies first.

[Lesorub]

Quote: Old Tanker

This is just an excuse for the opposition to throw off Pashinyan the little merry. Such a fate would await anyone in his place. That's just why all these protesters are not in defense of Karabakh with weapons in their hands, but in Yerevan? Yes, because they do not care about Karabakh, about the deaths of the boys, the main thing for them is to take power, and the crowd to play around and destroy.

Yes, you are right on the video, healthy men - clearly without physical disabilities - but the front is in the NKR, and here you drive Pashinyan - and "big politics".

[Vadim237]

"We need to consolidate. An Armenian cannot touch an Armenian." - As it turned out it can.

[Snail N9]

"For more than a month he led everyone by the nose and surrendered Karabakh in one night"

And this is what the "pro-European-pro-American orientation" is leading to now. It used to be that nishtyaks were poured from the "common Europeans" to those who act against Russia, are guided by the anti-Russian ideology and follow in the wake of the "cabinet 300" of the world government. Now the situation has changed - these gentlemen have abused the covid crisis, and they have no time for some unfortunate idiots who are concerned about getting food from the hands of "common people" in exchange for their "anti-Russian" character. "Anti-Russianness" is now not even in third place, and therefore is not quoted among "common people" - they have created head-to-head problems with both migrants and covid and the global sanctions crisis, a crisis of confidence in world currencies, etc. So that's it. these foolish notes .... and, like Pashinyan, who wanted to play on the "all-Russian world trend", will now, in deep ass, because of their lack of demand in new, changed conditions ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: KKND

The main thing here is to find a scapegoat

and you won't need to look for him

unless he runs away

[Imobile]

Quote: KKND

The main thing here is to find a scapegoat. It doesn't matter that the defense budget was 5 times less, it is important to find an extreme one.

And nothing that Azerbaijan spent 100 times less on general spending on the army, but on spending involved in hostilities! Tso what are the extremes?

[Igor Semenov]

Yes sir. And the farther from the front, the more patriots

[Pilat2009]

Quote: KKND

The main thing here is to find a scapegoat. It doesn't matter that the defense budget was 5 times less, it is important to find an extreme one.

There were cases when they were responsible for such a thing. In Greece, after the defeat from the Turks in 1920, the prime minister was shot

[cniza]

We cannot agree that our lands were just given away. We will not surrender, but we will fight to the end.

When did you get excited about him, what did you think about? when they said that Russia bothers you ...

[Clear]

Quote: cniza

We cannot agree that our lands were just given away. We will not surrender, but we will fight to the end.

When did you get excited about him, what did you think about?

Did these people think about ... lace European panties?

[halpat]

her ... too hairy

[cniza]

It does not interfere...

[cniza]

Maybe they had broader fantasies, but the result is the same ...

[Vadivak]

[b] [/ b] We will not surrender, but we will fight to the end

At the resorts of the Krasnodar Territory and in the Rostov Region

[Teacher67]

Yeah, and we "wow, you won't get off with tomatoes," remember the incident?

[Vadivak]

Quote: Teacher67

you won't get off with tomatoes

So the Su-24 is not?

[Teacher67]

Yeah he is. In my opinion, the most adequate reaction to such "mistakes" is Israel and Iran, they always respond to force with force tripled.

[Clear]

Quote: Teacher67

Yeah, and we "wow, you won't get off with tomatoes," remember the incident?

Well, there was what? In the end, I apologized.

[Real Pilot]

Or maybe it's better this way than losing ALL Karabakh? And at the same time there are many more military personnel and equipment ...

Several areas. We stopped, and it's good! Time will tell.
Peace is better than war anyway ...

[neocortex]

The psychology of war ... the rationality of the losing side temporarily surrendered

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: RealPilot

Several districts ... We stopped, and it's good! Time will tell.

The reality is that the Armenians have lost the whole of Karabakh. It's just a matter of time. Az .. and we will drive there. The Turks are fighting for the corridor from Nakhichevan, through the territory of Armenia. They seem to have been allowed a limited presence by peacekeepers, in the Azerbaijani regions (occupied), from Azerbaijan. Our underbelly.

[NTD]

Quote: LiSiCyn

They seem to have been allowed a limited presence by peacekeepers in the Azerbaijani regions (occupied), from the side of Azerbaijan.

One thing I cannot understand, if Pashinyan signed a corridor through Azerbaijan to Nakhichevan, then he is the biggest loser in the history of mankind. They will cut their throats to Iran. This is a complete blockade.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: MTN

One thing I cannot understand, if Pashinyan signed a corridor through Azerbaijan to Nakhichevan, then he is the biggest loser in the history of mankind. They will cut their throats to Iran. This is a complete blockade.

You read the contract:
9. All economic and transport links in the region are unblocked. The Republic of Armenia guarantees the safety of transport links between the western regions of the Azerbaijan Republic and the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic in order to organize an unimpeded movement of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions. Control over transport communication is carried out by the bodies of the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia.
By agreement of the Parties, the construction of new transport communications linking the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic with the western regions of Azerbaijan will be provided.

Azerbaijan was allowed transport links to Nakhichevan through Armenian territory, no one will block the border with Iran.

[NTD]

Quote: Anatol Klim

Control over transport communication is carried out by the bodies of the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia.

Excellent! Another thing.

[Overlock]

Quote: Anatol Klim

Control over transport communication is carried out by the bodies of the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia.

5 years, prolongation - if none of the parties notifies about the termination of the contract

[Observer2014]

Quote: MTN

Quote: LiSiCyn

They seem to have been allowed a limited presence by peacekeepers in the Azerbaijani regions (occupied), from the side of Azerbaijan.

One thing I cannot understand, if Pashinyan signed a corridor through Azerbaijan to Nakhichevan, then he is the biggest loser in the history of mankind. They will cut their throats to Iran. This is a complete blockade.

.
You will see "Victor" tell me that he has a bottle of Azerbaijani cognac. I won. Azerbaijan will not enter Stepanakert. Yes, it doesn't need it. You just need to believe in Russia.

[NTD]

Quote: Observer2014

Azerbaijan will not enter Stepanakert

Dear, you have lost in my opinion. Stepanakert is gone. This is Khankendi. There is no Ar-TsA-Ha.

[VyacheSeymour]

One thing I cannot understand, if Pashinyan signed a corridor through Azerbaijan to Nakhichevan, then he is the biggest loser in the history of mankind. They will cut their throats to Iran. It's a complete blockade

You are wrong. The statement of the presidents clearly states that after the agreement, the necessary infrastructure will be built, and the security of the corridor in Nakhichehan will be ensured by the border service of the FSB of Russia ...

[NTD]

Quote: RealPilot

how to lose ALL Karabakh?

They lost Karabakh. The Armenian army is leaving Karabakh and 7 regions. Only in Lachin will there be Russian peacekeepers. Or do you think we will leave Shushi? Shusha is the heart of Karabakh and we will not leave from there!

[nobody75]

Are you continuing the information war against Russia?

[Nychego]

Quote: MTN

Or do you think we will leave Shushi?

You will leave, similar to the way you leave in 92.
Erdi will continue to create his empire and will definitely run into it - the Turks already have an economy that is somewhat overloaded by Erdogan's imperial ambitions.
You pushed the Armenians into the arms of Russia, and if Russia survives the time of changes without significant losses of the power of the state, then it has a chance to be on the upward swing when the Turks crumble. Perhaps it will be May 9, 2032, possibly 2042, but a new "wedding in the mountains" will break out.

[Observer2014]

Quote: MTN

Quote: RealPilot

how to lose ALL Karabakh?

They lost Karabakh. The Armenian army is leaving Karabakh and 7 regions. Only in Lachin will there be Russian peacekeepers. Or do you think we will leave Shushi? Shusha is the heart of Karabakh and we will not leave from there!

And no one from Shusha is driving you away. This is your So beautifully in one move, Russia put everything in its place. Armenians are shocked But no one will touch the Armenians further. Armenia to Armenians. But the autonomous republic of Karabakh after negotiations with Azerbaijan. Look more. It will easily enter the Russian Federation. Remember my comment two weeks ago. About my settlement plan. Was it funny? Didn't sound likely. How's it going now? I am ready to argue with you that it will be so. OUR KARABAKH! And everyone will be happy, and no one will fight there for a very long time.

[NTD]

Quote: Observer2014

I am ready to argue with you that it will be so. OUR KARABAKH!

Ready for a bet. Can you announce the date when Karabakh will become part of Russia? I accept the bet.

[Observer2014]

Quote: MTN

Quote: Observer2014

I am ready to argue with you that it will be so. OUR KARABAKH!

Ready for a bet. Can you announce the date when Karabakh will become part of Russia? I accept the bet.

You already want to hear the date. Can we get by with my bet condition? No. Oh well. In the next five years Sanya, yes it is.

[NTD]

Quote: Observer2014

You already want to hear the date. Can we get by with my bet condition? No. Oh well. In the next five years Sanya, yes it is.

Accepted. But can you show me at least one word in the new treaty on the status of Karabakh?) Good luck in your search

We won't give Karabakh to anyone else

[Observer2014]

No one. Enough they played enough. Zero sense. One blood. Enough. People live there too. With age-old complexes, but Gordeev's knot, it's time to cut it.

[Liam]

Quote: MTN

We won't give Karabakh to anyone else

Maybe at last the site will be a little cleared of Azeri-Armenian bots and their round-the-clock bacchanalia here for a month already.
PySy.Re-read one post addressed to you about a month ago.

Liam
18 October 2020 01: 05
+2
Armenia and Azerbaijan agree on ceasefire and humanitarian truce
Listen. There are screams of Armenian and Azerbaijani propagandists on the site, such as you. And there is a reality. And it is such that this war will last as long as Russia and Turkey want. As soon as the Turks get what they need from Russia in Syria and Libya, all victories will end and the drones will return to Turkey. Videos from the UAVs look spectacular on TV but the drones do not conquer cities, they are taken by the infantry and many thousands of their own soldiers killed and by months and years of bloodshed. Azerbaijan is a rather poor country and cannot afford it for a long time. War is still and very expensive economically. Nobody will give you to take Karabakh. This eternal source of problems is needed both by the Russian Federation and Turkey to keep both you and the Armenians in check and play their games on your blood.

[Vadim237]

Armenia, according to these agreements, loses one fig and it goes to Azerbaijan.

[Thrifty]

Such a local micromoisey is actually Pashinyan! For 44 days he drove all of Armenia by the nose, there are no other sources of information for Armenians in nature! An Armenian won't touch an Armenian - why won't he? In Rostov-on-Don, I was repeatedly convinced of the opposite - they "touched" each other with their hands, feet, chains, bricks. .. Or, in Russia, the Armenians do not know that they should not touch their own kind? ??

[Amba412]

And they really thought that Russian boys would die for them. There are only one and a half million of them in Yerevan, each person counts for promoting the Armenian diaspora around the world.

[Brands]

Nikolka Trufonyan is the main enemy of all Armenians.
From love to hate ...
And that it is clear that all the Armenian dogs will be hanged on Pashinyan, although it must be admitted that he did a good job. It can be seen from him the level of a journalist of a low-demand Solovyov, not ours, even in Russian he did not learn to speak normally, a wild Armenian accent, like a barbecue from the market.

[NEOZ]

and a rifle to the front, no?

[Vadivak]

Quote: NEOZ

and a rifle to the front, no?

Yeah. And a rifle for you, and send you into battle ?! And here you are whipping vodka with me.
Wrong guys. Selling something or someone is easy

[Evil543]

So they can kill there

[Thrifty]

NEOZ-NOT! !! To shout for the sake of form, to show "the unity of the nation", but only to show, and you can go into battle only in a shopping arcade, in a car dealership with a client, in the same place bombs and missiles do not explode! !!

[Vadim237]

Yes, they will shoot themselves with this rifle accidentally before reaching the positions.

[Brands]

We need to consolidate. An Armenian cannot touch an Armenian. We take revenge on the Turks.

And where are the Turks? If they got it dry from the Azerbaijanis.
Again, there are Armenian tales about the fact that Abydels were zanocidal.

[Tsoy]

If not for the peacekeepers, Armenia would have lost all of Karabakh. It is a stone's throw from Shushi to Stepanakert. So there really was no choice, and it’s better than a complete rout.

[Korsar4]

Another question is how will our guys be there?
And then how in the past turmoil from all sides gifts will begin to pour in.
An example of a helicopter is indicative.

Already two strings have been cut.

[Amba412]

In the past turmoil, we poured them. Both were enough for 26 years.

[Korsar4]

The price was also considerable.
And what is the positive result for Russia?
To make up for at least one lost life?

[Zuiss]

Themselves to blame

[parusnik]

The most cunning of the Armenians is Pashinyan, one Armenian has circled the entire Armenian population in Karabakh and Armenia

[Ulrich]

Well, a week ago, Pashinyan promised a powerful counter-offensive, all the Armenian officers. Resources kept repeating about stubborn battles, the destruction of the groups that had broken through, etc. The same Pegov even today made a video about Sushi for some reason (there must have been a myth about "stabbing in the back" in the Weimar Republic as well), so even a neutral viewer thought that the war was going on, though not in favor of the Armenians at the moment but stubborn. But it turned out that such a disaster. So the indignation and shouts of "They lied to us" are understandable. Even all the official social networks of Armenians have been silent since yesterday, only one message from Shushan that hostilities were stopped and Russian troops were arriving.
So the Armenians can be understood, they were not watching the Azeri news. Moreover, those were not always objective either.

[NTD]

Quote: Ulrih

So the Armenians can be understood, they were not watching the Azeri news. Moreover, those were not always objective either.

Yes, they knew perfectly well what was the matter. On Azerbaijani sites 40% of visitors are Armenians. Look at Facebook News of Azerbaijan and 1news.az where there is news about Karabakh, there are a lot of Armenians. And even look among those who like. When we wrote about the victory, they put a sign they were angry) So they saw the video and read the articles.

Too late to drink Borjomi ..................

[nobody75]

But it turned out that such a disaster

Yes, there was no catastrophe there - a catastrophe in 2018 happened when Pashinyan came to power.
I have already written that there are no political forces in Armenia that would be interested in Karabakh. Moreover, today there are no serious pro - Russian forces in Armenia. All who could have moved to Russia.
Russian troops are needed there ... for "military historical" purposes.
Sincerely

[Vadim237]

Judging by the number of destroyed Armenian equipment in Karabakh, there was still that defeat there.

[nobody75]

The wonders of video editing know no bounds. Have you come over us, Russians, to mock? Because of the helicopter ... Nothing ... Revenge is a dish served cold

[nobody75]

According to the head of state, as a result of the crash of the Russian Mi-24, the crew commander, Major Yuri Ishuk and Senior Lieutenant Roman Fedin were killed.

Now you know the names of those helicopter pilots, over whose death you - Azerbots - mocked yesterday.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

"We were lied to"
And if you were not "lied to"? what would change? ..
Would all the Armenians board trains and planes and go "together" to fight for a small but proud Armenia?

[Ulrich]

Perhaps they plunged, perhaps earlier the peace was concluded on better terms, perhaps something else ..... how can I know now?

[Turanov]

Pashinyan is probably already in Turkey receiving the Order of Judas and laughing ... That's how the Armenians teach you a lesson on how to betray Russia! You still got off easy, you wouldn't be surprised if Yerevan was under siege.
The Azerbaijanis taught you a good lesson for your pride and show-off ...
And Aliyev kept his word (I respect), although this operation cost a lot ... And for the downed Russian helicopter there was a serious sediment ... No matter how it all continues

[Amba412]

I support the previous speaker) only with the turntable everything looks very rotten. Instead of squatting on what the Azeri did in 12 hours, they sign the surrender of Armenia.

[andreykolesov123]

09.11.2020

Quote: Turanov

Hold on Armenia Russia with you ..

10.11.2020

Quote: Turanov

The Azerbaijanis taught you a good lesson for your pride and show-off ...
And Aliyev kept his word (I respect), although this operation cost a lot

Well you give Meehan. Only Maz is changing his shoes faster than you in flight.

[Shahno]

Well, it was necessary to prepare for the war. Whoever wanted to prepare, bought equipment from us. Who did not, "puffed out their cheeks."
And now, as our old friends used to say, "it's too late to sprinkle ashes on your head if the fortress is on fire."

[monster]

Ganny and zrada! Zrada and ganba! She, all the same, in the chirping language of wild umbras (svidomity) has its own charm.)))

[Babermetis]

The Karabakh Shushira, like the elite of all Armenians, is a start. Let's see how Pashinyan will determine their place.

[VyacheSeymour]

The Karabakh Shushira, like the elite of all Armenians, is a start. Let's see how Pashinyan will determine their place.

The elite of all Armenians, I note, is very angry, loyal to everyone, humiliated now returning from the front!
And, one more elite is about to start returning in zinc coffins ... - I can't even imagine the reaction of relatives and friends to senselessly ruined lives!
I want to be wrong, but times are coming in Armenia, against the background of which the dashing 90s will seem like paradise on earth ...

[taiga2018]

I drew attention to the fact that all these protesters are already of such a serious, mature age, but for Pashinyan at one time the Maidan was mainly young people, and now they are somehow not visible, which means that Nikol the Sorosenok suits them even after such a national shame ...

[Olddetractor]

People of a serious age are demonstrators on the streets of the capital, not in the trenches. And the youth would go to fight, which this very Pashinyan deprived them of. Here the young m keep quiet

[fa2998]

Excuse me, who knows - in the photo in the article in the photo behind the Turkish Prime Minister Ararat?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Dear Armenians, next time, when you choose the leadership of the country, think - with your head and not with the place where you sit.

[Pavlos Melas]

Let's see if the Armenians can draw the right conclusions and withstand the blow? Will they stay in Karabakh? Will they be able to deal with corruption or rather give it a “human face?” Will the Azeri “Karabakh Bizimdir” set a goal, as in their time, and will they go towards it for many years?

[nobody75]

And who needs this Karabakh?
Sincerely

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: nobody75

And who needs this Karabakh?
Sincerely

Apparently to those who fought for him

[nobody75]

It will not be enough ...
Sincerely

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: nobody75

It will not be enough ...
Sincerely

Little or too much does not matter. Their goals matter. The Jews were also not enough, but they created and defended their own state:

[nobody75]

State ... Jews ... Holy Karabakh ...
Soviet Armenia lived for itself and did not know that it was necessary to defend Karabakh ...
Sincerely

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: nobody75

State ... Jews ... Holy Karabakh ...
Soviet Armenia lived for itself and did not know that it was necessary to defend Karabakh ...
Sincerely

You shouldn't have been like that, in the same Soviet Armenia, these thoughts always soared or do you think the gin got into the Armenians at once and they started urinating with Azeri? The Armenians also have dreams of the Georgian Javakheti, they did not arise today. It's just that the Armenians did not think that the time had come ... I'm not saying that this is fair, I say that such thoughts are hovering in this society ...

[nobody75]

Forgive me, but in fact they did not hover in Armenia itself. The children of the "Karabakh people" went to Armenia to study. They stayed there to work and at the end of the USSR created the "Kathulda Defense Society".
Sincerely

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: nobody75

Forgive me, but in fact they did not hover in Armenia itself. The children of the "Karabakh people" went to Armenia to study. They stayed there to work and at the end of the USSR created the "Kathulda Defense Society".
Sincerely

I will not undertake to discuss with you the topic of when the Armenians had ideas about the annexation of Karabakh and the legality of these claims. One thing I see is that the Armenians had these ideas at some point. My first post was a question, what will the Armenians do now. I have a vision of two options either to admit defeat and forget about Karabakh, or to hide and prepare for revenge. I think there will be followers of each of these options. Also, each of these options has pros and cons.

[nobody75]

So you believe in the viability of the Karabakh Franchise?
Best regards

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: nobody75

So you believe in the viability of the Karabakh Franchise?
Best regards

Let us still call a spade a spade, the Armenians did not strive to build another Armenian state. The "Republic of Karabakh" existed only because at this stage Armenia could not annex it. The Armenians themselves did not see its existence outside Armenia. When I talk about the actions of the Armenians, I mean both the Armenian and the Karabakh. I wonder what's next and how this nation will respond to this development of events. Of course, there may be a big war and so on and so on, but I ask myself the question as it is, what will they do?

[nobody75]

Now nothing. They will wait. The cowardice will end and the big players will deal with Turkey ... Previously, she was a "sick man of Europe", but now it is generally "half dead". Then the Armenians will try to take revenge.
Sincerely

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: nobody75

Now nothing. They will wait. The cowardice will end and the big players will deal with Turkey ... Previously, she was a "sick man of Europe", but now it is generally "half dead". Then the Armenians will try to take revenge.
Sincerely

Yes, I also thought about it, it's just another question whether Azerbaijan will fit into this war or not. One on one without the support of Turkey, I think the Azeris still have to endure. Of course, if the Armenians do not have an overwhelming advantage in technology, both in quality and quantity.

[nobody75]

Under the pretext of a peacekeeping mission, the Turks are bringing troops into Azerbaijan. Aliyev threw them and Erdogan will not forgive him for this. So the situation gets interesting. I figured out above one Turk - with the nickname "fiery cat" - read how he spits in a fit of rage. The helicopter was shot down by the Turks in order to disrupt the truce and demand from Aliyev what he had promised ... Now Aliyev is between two fires - on the one hand, the Turks and the pro-Turkish party, on the other, local nationalists. And everyone is not happy ... And when the scale of the losses becomes clear, Aliyev and the support of the "centrists" will lose. So the fun in Azerbaijan is just beginning ...
Sincerely

[Pavlos Melas]

If everything develops according to your scenario, it will not be very calm. I'm interested in what will happen to Turkey and Erdogan. Lira sank if Aliyev leaves the influence, then the undersultan will not be able to go to the West.

[nobody75]

Gulen was hiding in the States ... The Turks recently sought to extradite him ... But it didn't work out. I think the Americans keep it as a fallback. MBS has not forgotten the "Khashogi affair", and he has enough resources to bring down Erdogan. Putin replaced the head of Dagestan, Vasilyev, with the military general Melikov, and he is, according to the first VUS, a scout ... In Azerbaijan, the Turks will have a hard time. In fact, they are in a ring.
Putin badly pinned Erdogan in Syria, bombed pro-Turkish proxies in Idlib and burned down Erdogan's family's oil business. Without stolen Syrian oil and a share in the Baku oil industry, Turkey's economy is over. For the fall in the lira exchange rate, Erdogan fired his own relative, the head of the Central Bank. After the fall of the lira exchange rate, Turkey will face WTO proceedings and protective duties on Turkish goods in Europe. If you recall history, the collapse of the Ottoman Empire began with the "Price Revolution" in the XNUMXth century. It was then that the sipahs began to "mow" from military service in droves. I think History develops in a spiral. Following the economic crisis, a military coup is possible under the slogan of a return to the precepts of Ataturk, or a series of border conflicts that will eventually wind up the Turkish army scattered from Libya to Azerbaijan. And the Turks will not forgive Erdogan for a series of military defeats.
Sincerely

[Pavlos Melas]

Yes Biden is not Donald's friend. Plus, in Syria, nothing has ended with the Kurds.

[VyacheSeymour]

Let's see if the Armenians can draw the right conclusions and withstand the blow? Will they stay in Karabakh?

Of course, they will stay and will live (especially those who have no place to go and don’t want to give up their wealth), at least in the coming years they will live better than in the coming Armenia ... “Baku will not offend with subsidies and investments.
It was not for nothing that Aliyev did not take the initially (before the conflict) Armenian-populated regions of Karabakh: - in order not to be accused of changing demographics ... Plus, it is in these regions that Russian peacekeepers will be deployed with the center in Stepanokert.
By the way, in the Azerbaijani official, Stepanokert was no longer called by the original name - Khankendi.

[nobody75]

Maybe, maybe ... Although ... I think when the borders are opened, refugees from Karabakh will rush to Europe. For example, in Germany it will be difficult for a refugee from Karabakh to be denied asylum ... For me, this conflict was a box of sand. I was interested in the course of hostilities and my own thoughts on this matter. Now, when our peacekeepers are there, it will be easier to reconstruct the course of battles of the extreme war of the Karabakh Franchise on the maps.
From a political point of view, I agree with Nietzsche: "Help yourself and everyone will help you." I think that the political split in the Armenian society began from the moment when after the previous war the "Karabakh people" triumphantly entered Yerevan.
Sincerely

[VyacheSeymour]

I think when the borders are opened, refugees from Karabakh will rush to Europe. For example, in Germany, it will be difficult for a refugee from Karabakh to refuse asylum ..

Let me disagree with you!
Can people with Armenian passports shield themselves as refugees from Azerbaijan ??? And, by and large, Europe is so full of Armenians looking for political asylum under different sauces ... - well, another trend will be added! Indeed, according to all laws, they are more likely violators of the provisions on legal stay in the country, -DEPORTED suits them more accurately. But who managed to keep the red passports of citizens of Soviet Azerbaijan - refugees out of competition ... - But who and where will they let them in?
So the Armenians fell into a trap, carefully made with their own hands: - there seem to be refugees, but they are not.
A citizen of Armenia - but a refugee from Azerbaijan !!!! ... what a fool today can be bred to such a fish ?????

[nobody75]

France, Germany have judicial precedents.
Sincerely

[VyacheSeymour]

Perhaps, but more than three thousand of them have already entered Abkhazia ...

[nobody75]

So stateless ...
Sincerely

[VyacheSeymour]

Well, knowing the Armenians, I dare to suggest that they have already changed their shoes in Europe and are looking for refuge as refugees from the war ... Although the Karabakh people have not yet reached there.

[nobody75]

I think that Stepanakert will turn into another Osgiliat ...
Sincerely

[VyacheSeymour]

I think if everything settles down (there will be no diaspora-sorosy muddy) -will ... Too long lived side by side, too similar mentally two peoples ...- Georgians in comparison with them aside.

[nobody75]

I don't think so ... It's not about the Azerbaijanis. What should he do in Karabakh?
Sincerely

[VyacheSeymour]

To continue to live ... to restore the ruined. Grief unites - time heals, - centuries of war are over, forgotten. Maybe the republics will come together, - will have dual citizenship ... Isn't there a way out?
Where do they have to start, - and peacekeepers guarantee at least 5 years of quiet life. Yes, and Aliyev is not stupid, so as not to step on the Soviet rake.

[nobody75]

"Many days have passed since then. But people have not become smarter."
Sincerely

[VyacheSeymour]

The time comes and the chain of regular, alternating events is interrupted ... - maybe this is the case ...

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: nobody75

"Many days have passed since then. But people have not become smarter."
Sincerely

Alas, in history there are many examples of the lack of intelligence of our species.

[Pavlos Melas]

Of course, they will stay and will live (especially those who have no place to go and don’t want to give up their wealth), at least in the coming years they will live better than in the coming Armenia ... “Baku will not offend with subsidies and investments.

The key words here are while there are peacekeepers, and then the pretenders were expelled like peacemen. The elder brother of Azeri is extremely skilled in such events.

[VyacheSeymour]

The elder brother of Azeri is extremely skilled in such events.

Come on ... - It's not Azeri so skillfully, under
zero, mononationalized entire countries and regions ... So, be, if not honest, then at least not biased.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: VyacheSeymour

The elder brother of Azeri is extremely skilled in such events.

Come on ... - It's not Azeri so skillfully, under
zero, mononationalized entire countries and regions ... So, be, if not honest, then at least not biased.

Where did I lie? I'm not biased just talking about what could be. If the Azeris do not expel the Armenians and do not spread rot, then it will be possible to say that the Azeris are related to the Turks, but the people with a different culture

[fa2998]

Quote: hrych

Congratulations, Karabakh .... is ours.

Russia has finally found what to do with the extra money. In addition to Syria. And we will collect SMS for children for treatment. Hurray!

[Turanov]

Quote: fa2998

Quote: hrych

Congratulations, Karabakh .... is ours.

Russia has finally found what to do with the extra money. In addition to Syria. And we will collect SMS for children for treatment. Hurray!

Do you dream of collecting money for the funeral of our soldiers in hot spots on the borders of Russia or inside from terrorist attacks? Go to France or Austria, it starts there soon

[babylon]

Not a single "maydanutaya" power has led to the prosperity of their country, but only to poverty and fratricidal wars.

[Felix m]

Armenians got it, remember Putin at the meeting with Pashenyan his mine, he endured, both hated this meeting. The weak without the support of the strong always in the world receives, or rather loses territories, political image, money in the end. Get shame and humiliation.

[Turanov]

Quote: Feliks m

Armenians got it, remember Putin at the meeting with Pashenyan his mine, he endured, both hated this meeting. The weak without the support of the strong always in the world receives, or rather loses territories, political image, money in the end. Get shame and humiliation.

They spoke correctly .. Next time, let the Armenians think about whom to elect to power.
We will polish them back in Russia, we owe them a lot.

[Vadim237]

"We cannot agree that our lands were given away for no reason. We will not surrender, but we will fight to the end." Damn, fight until the last Armenian - the earth rest in peace to you.

[nobody75]

I knew that you are a fascist ...

[uhu189]

I don’t understand one thing - here in the comments Pashinyan is accused of everything, as if he is the only reason for all the troubles. Armenia lost due to the fact that Turkey openly supported Azerbaijan, and in fact participated in the conflict without hiding anything. And we - we just watched all this, telling each other about Pashinyan the little magpie. As a result, Pashinyan the little magpie will be thrown out, but the armed forces of our ally suffered a severe defeat, our weapons are largely discredited, Turkey has strengthened its weight in the region, and what did we get? Maximum - they tied Armenia to themselves. But they tied them not of their own free will, but out of need. Because every inhabitant of Armenia will keep in mind that they lost not because they did not prepare or poorly control the troops, but because Russia did not help them. That this is the victory of the Russian Federation as an arbiter? For me, no, this is a defeat. And the shot down helicopter is the cherry on top.

[Ulrich]

Exactly. But right there, the main thing is to shout about Pashinyan the little magpie (interestingly, a person will soon leave for another world, who will then be blamed?). And then they are surprised that the former Soviet republics are better further from such an ally, with whom one can be in an alliance only by compulsion ...

[Thrifty]

uhu189- what is our weapon discredited? The facts speak to the contrary - in this war the Azerbaijanis fought with our weapons, and it turns out that they fought correctly, since they actually won! And regarding Pashinyan, his anti-Russian policy became the reason for the defeat of Karabakh, because instead of preparing for war, he led, instead of developing relations with Russia, he actually turned his back on us, and he turned the Armenians against Russia by banning the Russian language and the Russian media. ...

[NTD]

Quote: Thrifty

Facts show the opposite - in this war the Azerbaijanis fought with our weapons

This mantra was created in order to calm the souls of the shamefully lost Armenians.

Quote: Thrifty

And about Pashinyan, his anti-Russian policy was the reason for the defeat of Karabakh

This is exactly what it is, only to be honest, it was not Pashinyan who started everything, but Serzh Sargsyan for which he received a blow in the head back in April 2016.

Quote: Thrifty

instead of developing relations with Russia, he actually turned his back on us, and he turned Armenians against Russia

Do you think Pashinyan did it? They thought that Russia would always save them. What nasty things can be done against Russia. They also wanted to eat Western fish and not sit on Azerbaijani .................. It doesn't work that way. Either one or the other.

[hydro]

wait, wait, the Armenians will leave for 7 days, while they write about the truce, they really want revenge, but there is no point, Russia didn’t stick for the helicopter, it was a good reason to start a mess, but the act was not agreed upon in a few hours, so everything is clear here , the Turks said "hello" that we were able to put the pressure on the two countries on negotiations and on only Russian peacekeepers with Turkish observers. So we saved "Artsakh" from defeat !! Many Armenians were thrown in Karabakh, Pashinyan sent old stuff, or the Armenians in Karabakh themselves uncovered the T-72 without reactive armor and most likely rusty without modernization. And it's funny to talk about air defense, only by the end of the war the Armenians began to tighten up their normal means of protection: Buk 2MKM and Igly, but what were they waiting for? hoped for the decommissioned Jordan Wasps, silly! Armenia showed nothing and helped Karabakh, except with missile strikes on Ganja !!! and those volunteers who beat up on the order to wait for the dispatch to Karabakh! That is, the Armenians merged Karabakh, but they shout at the Russians! It's a shame, but at the same time you can understand them, without a clear word that Russia will protect Armenia, the Armenians did not dare to fight for a long time and to win! We have not failed the policy, we are just getting a new meat grinder, the war is not over yet, all the more there will be 100% partisanship! Our dead soldiers and civilians! And the Turks will leave the barmaley, well, they will not be taken back to Syria! So this is just the beginning of the difficult Caucasian campaign!

[NTD]

Quote: hydroy

7 days will leave while they write about the truce, they really want revenge

It's not gonna go. The Russian side took control of this. Perhaps provocations in Europe and the United States, maybe in Russia, although I'm not sure. The FSB quickly pacifies such people. And who will they go with? As recent history has shown, they will get it in the head, then there will be no corridor.

[vitvit123]

And of their own free will, they never became attached, always on pain of death. And what of it ? And why should we please them? They were the first to wipe their feet on Russia and they got it very well! Let them keep in mind who was the first to destroy the relationship .. no need to distort the true course of things. And the role of the arbiter is the most powerful role! The arbiter can issue a penalty to any player, everyone respects his decision. You don't need to pull the owl on the globe. It wasn't enough for the Russians to fight for the show-off of Armenians ...

[VyacheSeymour]

I do not understand one thing - here in the comments Pashinyan is accused of everything, as if he is the only reason for all the troubles. Armenia lost due to the fact that Turkey openly supported Azerbaijan, and in fact participated in the conflict without hiding anything.

In the opinion of Dashnaktsutyun, expressed in the mid-90s: - "In the 86th in Vienna, we made a wrong decision to implement miatsum in Karabakh, and not in Javakh ... - relying on Christian solidarity in the fight against Muslim Azerbaijan."
So, the troubles of the Armenians began much earlier: - when, under a strip of troubles of those years, they tried to squeeze the lands of their neighbors.

[Retvizan 8]

"On the night of November 9-10, 2020, the most shameful page in the history of Armenia was written."
Poorly learned to read the book of history, your most shameful page was written when the crowd brought Pashinyan to power through the color revolution!

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Well, IP Pashynyan - a taxi driver or to the market?

[Retvizan 8]

"We cannot agree that our lands were given away for no reason. We will not surrender, but we will fight to the end."
What kind of platform is the rooster crowing?
You clown from the trench say so!
And that something for forty days of war, he still hangs around in Yerevan, does not bother anyone?
Fucking warrior, if the Russians hadn't entered, then Stepanakert had already surrendered.

[Lesorub]

On the streets of Yerevan, protesters say that for more than a month Prime Minister Pashinyan "led the people by the nose, and then surrendered Karabakh in one night."

Pashinyan is a protege of the striped ones - a scenario of inciting a conflict was played out, with which the prime minister of Armenia successfully coped (it did not work just to drag Russia into this meat grinder).

[Amba412]

I already wrote about this. Well Pashinyan. But he did not appoint company commanders, battalions, and battery commanders in the Karabakh army. Was there any hope for our Airborne Forces? And where were they? Donbass at 14 survived only after the normal battalions at the helm stood up. I am not belittling the exploits of the lone heroes. But if people had not appeared with erased officer documents, then Donbass would have been

[Gennady Fomkin]

Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan said that as a result of the nighttime pogrom, a computer, watch and perfumery were stolen from his residence. The moped is not mine, I heard it on TV, I swear by my mother, wah!

This is so that they do not kick hard when they are caught.

[Incvizitor]

We will not surrender, but we will fight to the end.

We didn't finish plowing, said the ant, getting off the ox.

[Old Horseradish]

Sumptuously! Turkey climbed into Armenia and Azerbaijan. The Sultan did everything. Maybe someone forgot? Turkey is a NATO member. That is why such wild joy is now in England, the USA, and Europe.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: uhu189

I don’t understand one thing - here in the comments Pashinyan is accused of everything, as if he is the only reason for all the troubles. Armenia lost due to the fact that Turkey openly supported Azerbaijan, and in fact participated in the conflict without hiding anything. And we - we just watched all this, telling each other about Pashinyan the little magpie. As a result, Pashinyan the little magpie will be thrown out, but the armed forces of our ally suffered a severe defeat, our weapons are largely discredited, Turkey has strengthened its weight in the region, and what did we get? Maximum - they tied Armenia to themselves. But they tied them not of their own free will, but out of need. Because every inhabitant of Armenia will keep in mind that they lost not because they did not prepare or poorly control the troops, but because Russia did not help them. That this is the victory of the Russian Federation as an arbiter? For me, no, this is a defeat. And the shot down helicopter is the cherry on top.

who over a glass of tea to talk mono?

 When Pashinyan came to power, all the familiar Armenians unanimously repeated that the anti-people regime had finally fallen !!! And now that everything will be for the common people and in abundance ... Yeah, I'm not lying, not the letters. Something like this. Leave us alone. We ourselves, ourselves, without you ... "- so they said, living in Russia.

[rocket757]

They themselves, all by themselves and .... this is not the end of the story !!!

[Egor53]

And what did you want, you Armenian creatures?
For years, Americans have been licking their dicks, keeping about 2000 American diplomats in Yerevan, running all over Armenia with slogans for the Russians to go out, closing Russian schools, and expelling Russians from Armenia.
And then, when your backs were kicked in Karabakh, to be offended that Russia did not protect you?

[Ros 56]

As in "Gentlemen of Fortune", I didn’t like his face at once, it was he who stole the victory, I don’t see a century of will.

[Volga073]

Pashinyan in a parachute!

[Egor53]

Those Armenians who fit into Russian culture, they are all Russified to the level of not knowing the Armenian language, and speaking Russian without an accent. As a rule, such people are in mixed marriages with Russians. These people are part of the Russian world.
And those who live in Armenia - they are to us, Russians, as close as the Kirghiz and Turkmens. They are not part of the Russian world. They are alien to us and to our culture.

[Alexey RA]

We cannot agree that our lands were just given away. We will not surrender, but we will fight to the end.

But only at rallies in Yerevan.

[Gennady Fomkin]

And in general in the East only the strong are respected. The one who pleases everyone, at first they smile, then they take everything away, then they beat him.

[Maxwrx]

I estimate that in 5-6 years the Azerbaijanis will again climb and seize it to the end when we leave. Now they will create infrastructure, purchase weapons, analyze the experience of the database, and train. Judging by the territory that the Azeri gets. the war will be even more fleeting. https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/11/2020/5faa93c99a7947733377a159?from=from_main_1
Aliyev is pleased that he received almost everything except Karabakh itself, there is no need to lose soldiers (the losses are still large), there is no need to fight in the winter, and both military and financial resources have been depleted. And winter is ahead.
Putin is pleased that there are disputed territories (he likes to leave leverage) and like he sorted everything out.
Pashinyan somehow saved the Karabakh itself, thousands of lives and military equipment. Maybe next time they will fight better?

[Konnick]

Quote: voyaka uh

The surrender of Armenia sincerely upset many ...

Too many, some by faith, such as Christians, support the Armenians, some are against the Muslims, some are against the Turks. On the contrary, I am glad for the Azerbaijanis, they have returned theirs. I despise separation by religion, and Azerbaijan is a more secular state than Armenia and more international, tolerant of other nationalities and religions. Armenia, on the other hand, has recently slipped into rude nationalism, one phrase from this article
"...An Armenian cannot touch an Armenian. We take revenge on the Turks."
Their blood eclipsed the mind, they already erected a monument to a real fascist in 2016, who slaughtered not only Turks, but also Jews, Poles, Ukrainians and Russians and idolized Hitler.
And I'm not sure that the crowd of Armenians in Yerevan will not be able to force the deputies to deratify the treaty. They, clouded by propagandists Shushan Stepanyan and Semyon Pegov about the heroic extermination of the Azerbaijani army, were a little, to put it mildly, dumbfounded by the news of surrender. They crave revenge. You should have heard their praise at the start of hostilities. So it's not over yet. And do not be upset about this, they deserve defeat. The only trouble is that they will again accuse us of Russians, that we sold weapons to Azerbaijan, that we betrayed them. Like 100 years ago, they accused that the Russian army in 1915 did not protect them from the Turks, and the Red Army in 1920 did not allow them to keep Mount Ararat in Armenia, having entered into an alliance with Turkey. No need to drag Soros here as an excuse. For example, the Hungarians have long figured out their fellow countryman, declaring him persona non grata.

[NTD]

Quote: Konnick

On the contrary, I am glad for the Azerbaijanis, they have returned theirs.

Thank you, Kolya! I am glad that there are adequate people and, most importantly, who can rightly dot everything and. We appreciate it.

Quote: Konnick

The only trouble is that they are again will blame us Russians, that we sold weapons to Azerbaijan, that we betrayed them.

Already started. On the forums as well.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: MaxWRX

I estimate that in 5-6 years the Azerbaijanis will again climb and seize it to the end when we leave. Now they will create infrastructure, purchase weapons, analyze the experience of the database, and train. Judging by the territory that the Azeri gets. the war will be even more fleeting. https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/11/2020/5faa93c99a7947733377a159?from=from_main_1
Aliyev is pleased that he received almost everything except Karabakh itself, there is no need to lose soldiers (the losses are still large), there is no need to fight in the winter, and both military and financial resources have been depleted. And winter is ahead.
Putin is pleased that there are disputed territories (he likes to leave leverage) and like he sorted everything out.
Pashinyan somehow saved the Karabakh itself, thousands of lives and military equipment. Maybe next time they will fight better?

Russia stopped this conflict when it had sufficient leverage for this. Everything else is sucking out of the finger.

[NTD]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Russia stopped this conflict when it had sufficient leverage for this.

How can you imagine that Russia was waiting for it to have leverage? I'm sure everything has been agreed upon from the first to the last cartridge. Now I can write several levers of pressure on Azerbaijan. You are not right. It is not possible to decide anything on the territory of the Caucasus and Transcaucasia without Russia. This mission is impossible. Here the Russians from the tsarist times gave their lives during the wars with Persia and the Ottoman Empire. De facto, a province was created on the territory, and Armenian Christians were settled there ... then loyal to the Russian crown. That's all. And then the Armenians decided to discard the owner and even offend him. This is not forgiven.

By the way, this is not the first time. I already wrote that the Armenians were punished 2 times by the Russian crown. First time under Elizabeth or Catherine, I'm afraid to make a mistake, and the second time under Nicholas. If you are interested, I will try to dig up this information from independent sources.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Damn, yes, they said that Pashinyan would give up Karabakh when he was chosen. So, it is not the main insignificance that is to blame, but those insignificants who went out into the street chose it. Armenians are not sorry at all.

[NTD]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Damn, yes, they said that Pashinyan would give up Karabakh when he was chosen. So, it is not the main insignificance that is to blame, but those insignificants who went out into the street chose it. Armenians are not sorry at all.

That's exactly Victor. The main trouble of the Armenians is that they think that everyone owes them. Although in real life they owe everyone.

[tarakan]

Quote- "[/ b] took by storm the buildings of parliament and other authorities [b]"your energy, yes to the front line, WHERE YOU HIDDEN WHEN DEFENDING SHUSHA ?????

[Igor Semenov]

This victory has many fathers. And defeat is always an orphan. It is clear that Pashinyan, as the head of Armenia, is to blame. But something tells me that any other outcome would have been the same.

[Ganja]

Back in the summer when an Azerbaijani general was killed behind the front lines, funny people, these Armenians were militantly waving their sabers and built into the queue to take a selfie with Pashinyan, now they kick him, instead of mourning the dead, several thousand young and not young people are organizing some other rallies. For 30 years, the Armenians did not want this, but now Pashinyan is to blame

[Moskovit]

It is bad that there are no sober voices among the Armenians. Some grudges are now at Russia, now at the United States, now at Pashinyan. Nobody says what to do next. To continue living with resentment towards the whole world, smashing offices or trying to draw conclusions?
Thank God, nobody touched Armenia itself. Her army is intact. There is no destruction in the country. Azerbaijanis do not stand at the gates of Yerevan.

[NTD]

Quote: Moskovit

It is bad that no sober voices are heard among the Armenians.

Alexey, if they had a sober judgment there, they would never quarrel with all their neighbors. I will say even more. In 30-50 years they will definitely start again. This is not the first time. This is already 3 times.

[tarakan]

Quote: Leeds

The position of Russia and the results acceptable to it could have been different if those events did not take place. I understand that the winning side, like the Turks and the Israelis, is now on yet another emotional upsurge due to the impressive success (not exaggerating) of their UAVs. But is it far-sighted to underestimate the Russian army? It's up to you though. Or do you seriously think that Russia could only observe? We Russians have a short political memory, but the leadership probably drew conclusions for itself then.

Quote: Alexander Galaktionov

Baku and NATO country Turkey are brothers, that NATO is getting closer to the borders of Russia Putin will treat Erdogan with ice cream and Erdo's friend will say come on now and export Iskander take C 400 bought Iskander now Take

Why not? They settled in Syria (gathered all the scumbags in one place and slowly reset them to zero) calmed Karabakh (set borders to calm the two sides)

[opuonmed]

let them trust more soros and Europe more, so soon armenia will not become if they trust

[opuonmed]

Pashinyan probably had the goal of surrendering Karabakh and all of Armenia to the USA and the EU

[Vladimir61]

Political forces of Armenia from among 17 parties and social movements...

Yes, everyone knows how to hold a rally, not everyone is ready to defend their principles with weapons in their hands! Where were “all” them when Karabakh needed real support, in people? We should have thought two years ago what we were choosing, who we were choosing and with whom we were choosing! It is obvious that these “everyone,” in gratitude to Russia for saving people and what was left of Karabakh, will blame Russia. If the immediate and long-term political goals and objectives of Armenia do not change towards Russia, you need to leave there (the cat abandoned the kittens, let them..., as they want), especially since this is a country locked on all sides by states unfriendly to it.

[NTD]

Quote: Vladimir61

not everyone is ready to defend their principles with weapons in their hands!

Without a Russian soldier standing in front, the Armenians are not ready for war. Only behind the backs of the Russians are they brave.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: MTN

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Russia stopped this conflict when it had sufficient leverage for this.

How can you imagine that Russia was waiting for it to have leverage? I'm sure everything has been agreed upon from the first to the last cartridge. Now I can write several levers of pressure on Azerbaijan. You are not right. It is not possible to decide anything on the territory of the Caucasus and Transcaucasia without Russia. This mission is impossible. Here the Russians from the tsarist times gave their lives during the wars with Persia and the Ottoman Empire. De facto, a province was created on the territory, and Armenian Christians were settled there ... then loyal to the Russian crown. That's all. And then the Armenians decided to discard the owner and even offend him. This is not forgiven.

If only you were more attentive and sometimes thoughtfully read my posts. I have a perfect command of the history of this conflict.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Moskovit

It is bad that there are no sober voices among the Armenians. Some grudges are now at Russia, now at the United States, now at Pashinyan. Nobody says what to do next. To continue living with resentment towards the whole world, smashing offices or trying to draw conclusions?
Thank God, nobody touched Armenia itself. Her army is intact. There is no destruction in the country. Azerbaijanis do not stand at the gates of Yerevan.

Let them blame themselves, now the artillery of Azerbaijan would be roaring on the streets of Yerevan.

[K-50]

You might think the Armenians had a better solution.
The main thing is that they didn’t lose everything, and with such “leadership” this is not at all surprising.

[Gennady Fomkin]

People don’t understand that documents, especially those signed by serious people and on serious topics, are not a piece of paper on which you can mentally add someone’s wishes. So an explanation was received regarding the issue of “Turkish peacekeepers” who, supposedly, “will also be in Karabakh along with the Russian ones.”  

TASS reports:

“Turkey’s role in the Nagorno-Karabakh settlement is limited to the framework of the Russian-Turkish center for monitoring the ceasefire and is not directly related to the peacekeeping operation in this region,” a source in the Russian Foreign Ministry told TASS on Tuesday.

“Turkey’s role is limited to the framework of the created Russian-Turkish center for monitoring the ceasefire and is not directly related to the peacekeeping operation. It is being created on Azerbaijani territory not adjacent to Nagorno-Karabakh. It is assumed that from this center the Russian military, together with their Turkish colleagues, will monitor compliance with the truce using the technical means at their disposal. The military departments are working on the details of the functioning of the center," the agency's interlocutor noted.

“The statement by the President of Azerbaijan, the Prime Minister of Armenia and the President of the Russian Federation on November 9 clearly defines the agreed parameters for the further settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. In accordance with this document, a peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is being deployed along the contact line in Nagorno-Karabakh and along the Lachin corridor,” the source added at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation.

Earlier, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said that not only Russian but also Turkish peacekeepers would be stationed in Nagorno-Karabakh."

 

Dear TV viewers, you have watched the next episode of the multi-part television film “The Terrible and Unstoppable Expansion of a Revived and All-Powerful Turkey.” Let's go our separate ways.  

[svoit]

Quote: hrych

And if it weren’t for the little pig, this wouldn’t have happened.

What wouldn't happen?
Would Russia get involved?
The mistake here is that Russia does not really have any coherent policy; if it wanted, there would be enough time to resolve the conflict peacefully. And Russia also had opportunities to put pressure, but they were not used.

Quote: Vladimir61

Where were “all” them when Karabakh needed real support, in people

And what are they to blame for? Did they avoid mobilization? Then why are they still free?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: svoit

Quote: hrych

And if it weren’t for the little pig, this wouldn’t have happened.

What wouldn't happen?
Would Russia get involved?
The mistake here is that Russia does not really have any coherent policy; if it wanted, there would be enough time to resolve the conflict peacefully. And Russia also had opportunities to put pressure, but they were not used.

Quote: Vladimir61

Where were “all” them when Karabakh needed real support, in people

And what are they to blame for? Did they avoid mobilization? Then why are they still free?

Which ones?. How is that? A few observations from life:

There are people who are sure that they are owed everything in life. Probably every adult has met someone like this. I personally met them. They are never grateful - after all, everyone should take care of them. This is kind of normal and understandable. Having done them a favor, in their coordinate system you must always provide it. Otherwise, it’s an insult. At the same time, they don’t owe you anything. Such people can only be sent. And they will really, really dislike you. No matter how much you have done for them before. There is only one way out - send them as early as possible. There will be resentment, but there is no other way out. Is the analogy with the Armenians clear? Some kind of simplified position. Russia tried to stop the conflict back in Kazan, but it didn’t work then.







 

[iouris]

The electorate voted for Pashinyan. No question. So much for direct secret voting and democracy rolled into one. Everything is fair. Or maybe not everyone should be given the right to vote?
What do you think?

[rotfuks]

In my amateurish opinion, neither the Armenians nor Armenia need Karabakh. Just watch the video exhibited by Azerbaijanis. The settlements of Karabakh have long been abandoned. There are no gardens or vineyards along the roads near damaged equipment. In Syria, there are gardens and olive trees along the roads. Equipment in Syria is burning in orchards among fruit trees. And all this in the Syrian desert. This means that in the Syrian desert there are people cultivating this desert, but in the wonderful climate of Nagorno-Karabakh there are no such people. For 30 years in Karabakh, no one planted trees or prepared for defense. Then who is this Karabakh for?

[Vovk]

Quote: rotfuks

In my amateurish opinion, neither the Armenians nor Armenia need Karabakh.

The fight in Karabakh is only because of rare minerals; everyone has “put the blame” on the local population. And the storm is rising in Armenia not because of the loss of territories, but because the secret elite of Armenia, skimming the cream from the extraction of rare minerals in Karabakh, put everything personally in their pocket... what do you think the Armenian diasporas howled all over the world ... they received funding from the same place - now everything will go into the pockets of Azerbaijan, Turkey, Israel.

[ljoha_d]

Whoever they ran unfoundedly was chosen, or rather shoved in, is who they got!!

[Normal ok]

Where should he go if the train has already left?

[FRoman1984]

The Armenians deservedly deserved it! And Russia did the right thing by not interfering. You have to pay for your love for the West and Soros.

[certero]

Quote: Scary_L.

who is Pashinyan: a traitor who surrendered part of Karabakh, or a savior who stopped the bloodshed.

He is both.
But with his decision to stop the bloodshed, he still earned respect.

[Zomanus]

Why didn’t these Armenians, who are now walking and protesting, go to the front line? I think they would have found an extra machine gun for them. And now, of course, when Armenia was essentially on the verge of collapse and was forced to accept at least such a peace, they are ready to take to the streets of peaceful cities and protest there. Let them sing in chorus and dance the lezginka, it won’t add any sense.

[Ulysses]

Where is Pashinyan now?
It seems like everyone is looking for it and can't find it...

[Burdock]

The fact that everything would have been given to the Turks would have happened one way or another; Armenia did not send a regular army to the war, and even in this case, the forces are not comparable. But the fact that a five-kilometer road to Nakhchivan from Azerbaijan will go through Armenia is some kind of shame.