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It is assumed that some high-ranking military personnel of Azerbaijan may lose their posts due to the strike on the Russian Mi-24

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It is assumed that some high-ranking military personnel of Azerbaijan may lose their posts due to the strike on the Russian Mi-24

Almost a day has passed since the news that a Russian Mi-24 helicopter was shot down in the airspace of the Republic of Armenia. Recall that he was engaged in escorting a ground military convoy and turned out to be a target for an attack using MANPADS.


There was a pause at first. Experts began to argue about who could benefit from striking a Russian helicopter. Opinions were voiced that this could be a provocation to draw Russia into the conflict in the Transcaucasus.

After a while, rumors and speculation were replaced by the official recognition of the Azerbaijani side. "We shot down." "Shot down by mistake." "Apologize". "Ready for compensation."

But almost a day after the dramatic incident, it has not yet been announced how the investigation of the attack on the Mi-24 is progressing, whether it is advancing at all and who were the specific people, one of whom gave the order to strike, the other launched an anti-aircraft missile ...

Recall that in the case of an erroneous strike by the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) air defense complex on the Boeing of Ukraine International Airlines, a few days later, those who struck were named, and then several high-ranking military personnel lost their posts.

Will Azerbaijan agree to this?

It became known that the issue of investigating the attack on the Mi-24 was raised during the conversation between the foreign ministers of Russia and Azerbaijan. Sergei Lavrov and Jeyhun Bayramov during their telephone talks discussed the need for an objective and thorough investigation of the incident that resulted in the deaths of the Russian military.

In this regard, there are suggestions that the Azerbaijani authorities, following the results of the investigation (and Baku, judging by the speed of yesterday's confession, knows perfectly well who struck the blow) will make personnel decisions - in terms of removing at least representatives of the command of air defense structures from their posts. Otherwise (if these persons do not lose their positions), even if there is an official apology, it will look as if the Azerbaijani side does not consider the incident to be the unprofessionalism of its high-ranking military personnel and is not ready to force them to answer for what they did.
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  1. Invoce
    Invoce 10 November 2020 15: 54
    +4
    Opinions were voiced that this could be a provocation to draw Russia into the conflict in the Transcaucasus.

    Everyone thought so! Probably the majority - for sure!
    But perhaps it was a provocation arranged by Turkey or by those who are interested in drawing Russia into the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
    And there are a lot of well-wishers in the conflict zone. And mercenaries from Syria, and Muslim radicals, and Turkish special services, and agents of foreign intelligence ...
    Thanks to Aliyev for the timely admission of "guilt". Perhaps this is an accident, but it is POSSIBLE - with a small probability.
    So both shoulder straps and heads will fly, in the truest sense of the word. If they do not figure out who is to blame and who made the decision to launch MANPADS, then they will be helped to find the culprits, and possibly to call to account
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    2. Yura
      Yura 10 November 2020 16: 09
      +2
      Quote: Invoce
      But perhaps it was a provocation arranged by Turkey or by those who are interested in drawing Russia into the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

      Quote: Cron
      I understand that it was only the fact that a peace treaty was already prepared that saved you from any big consequences?

      Probably your arguments are close to the truth, I will only add that a provocation was possible and was intended to break the treaty, and the Turks, they have no great interest in developing a further escalation of hostilities, they have achieved about the results they wanted, and besides them there is a sea of ​​quiet well-wishers, ranging from opponents of Turkey in the Middle East, ending with the West and the United States.
      1. Alexander Kopychev
        Alexander Kopychev 10 November 2020 16: 26
        +8
        Probably your arguments are close to the truth, I will only add that a provocation is possible and was intended to break the contract

        It wouldn't have worked for sure anymore. The chain of events announced - the arrival of the Turkish delegation in Baku on November 8.11, Erdogan's phone call to Putin on November 9.11, and the convoy of Russian troops was already moving towards the border, suggests a decision already made and a banal clarification of details.
        1. Yura
          Yura 10 November 2020 16: 29
          0
          Quote: Alexander Kopychev
          It wouldn't have worked for sure anymore. The chain of events announced - the arrival of the Turkish delegation in Baku on November 8.11, Erdogan's phone call to Putin on November 9.11, and the convoy of Russian troops was already moving towards the border, suggests a decision already made and a banal clarification of details.

          Possible.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 10 November 2020 18: 41
            +1
            Quote: Invoce
            perhaps it was a provocation arranged by Turkey

            Why does Turkey need Russia's participation there?
            If where any international emergency happens, it's either an accident, or look for the hand of the Anglo-Saxons.
        2. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 10 November 2020 17: 06
          +3
          Yes, the Turks shot down one hundred percent. Their handwriting. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out I was shot down by Stinger. We thought that ours would answer with all the foolishness.
          1. jovanni
            jovanni 10 November 2020 17: 14
            14
            Quote: pmkemcity
            We thought that ours would answer with all the foolishness.

            And ours, as always ... did not answer with all their foolishness ...
            1. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity 10 November 2020 17: 18
              -4
              Quote: Jovanni
              And ours, as always ... did not answer with all their foolishness ...

              There was no person capable of making a decision. While the signal went to the very top, they ran to the toilet, drained the water so that the signal would go down ... the bashi-bazouks were already in Ankara.
            2. bar
              bar 10 November 2020 18: 22
              +3
              And ours, as always ... did not answer with all their foolishness ...

              Ours, as always, were smart enough not to respond with foolishness
              1. BecmepH
                BecmepH 11 November 2020 13: 13
                +2
                Quote: bar
                And ours, as always ... did not answer with all their foolishness ...

                Ours, as always, were smart enough not to respond with foolishness

                Aren't we answering a lot? ((((The Turks shot down the plane, forgave it. The Turks killed the ambassador, forgave it. The Turks threw it down with the gas pipeline. Nowhere. Who wants to, he yaps in our direction. Okay yapping, so they defecate on the door and under the threshold. Not so, my dear? You, too, forgive everyone?
                1. bar
                  bar 11 November 2020 14: 57
                  -1
                  And so we no longer have authority anywhere. Whoever wants, he yaps in our direction. Okay, yapping, so they defecate on the door and under the threshold. Isn't that right, dear?

                  Do you think we need to go down to their level and also yap and shit under someone else's threshold? And thereby raise your authority? And I think that to waste on trifles is not to respect yourself.
                  "Darling" I forgive you too.
                  1. BecmepH
                    BecmepH 12 November 2020 10: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: bar
                    "Darling" I forgive you too.

                    Forgive me, dear, if you offended. Did not want.
                    Do you think we need to go down to their level and also yap and shit under someone else's doorstep? And thereby raise your authority?
                    No, of course not. Punish once so that even thoughts are not yapping.
                    That's why they whine because we don't answer. An eye for an eye ... This is the only way in modern reality ...
                  2. pmkemcity
                    pmkemcity 13 November 2020 05: 06
                    -1
                    Quote: bar
                    Do you think we need to go down to their level and also yap and shit under someone else's doorstep?

                    "This is my dacha!" Remember the "soldier"? And ... it turns out that this is my threshold, respectively.
                    Quote: bar
                    And I think that to waste on trifles is not to respect yourself.

                    And you yourself will lay down the death of the brave under that "threshold", that will be a worthy "exchange". And the pioneers will have "respect" for you - they will paint an asterisk by May 9, put a couple of carnations.
              2. pmkemcity
                pmkemcity 13 November 2020 04: 59
                0
                Quote: bar
                Ours, as always, were smart enough not to respond with foolishness

                The entire "civilized" world considers us scumbags (by the way - with the first snow!), Sometimes it is useful to maintain our reputation. Today, 24 in a line across Russia have written that Azerbazhan is not conducting an investigation, they say, we will not let the brakes be released.
            3. TulaTokarev
              TulaTokarev 10 November 2020 18: 54
              -4
              Even pomegranate juice was not banned
          2. cmax
            cmax 10 November 2020 17: 15
            +4
            Quote: pmkemcity
            Yes, the Turks shot down one hundred percent. Their handwriting. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out I was shot down by Stinger. We thought that ours would answer with all the foolishness.

            Whoever shot down, why the helicopter did not have means of protection against MANPADS. This is a flying target.
            1. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity 10 November 2020 17: 20
              -3
              Quote: cmax
              Whoever shot down, why the helicopter did not have means of protection against MANPADS. This is a flying target.

              What are you talking about? Stop reading science fiction.
              1. Alexander Galaktionov
                Alexander Galaktionov 10 November 2020 17: 30
                0
                BKO Vitebk or also unparalleled in the world what
                1. pmkemcity
                  pmkemcity 10 November 2020 17: 44
                  +1
                  "Vitebsk" (export designation: "President-S") - BKO "product L-370" of Su-25 aircraft and Mi-8, Mi-26, Ka-52 helicopters.
                  1. Alexander Galaktionov
                    Alexander Galaktionov 10 November 2020 18: 00
                    0
                    What was written above fiction laughing
                    1. Heet
                      Heet 10 November 2020 20: 43
                      +2
                      Fiction is MI-24 with Vitebsk, which is installed on MI-35.
                      1. cmax
                        cmax 11 November 2020 08: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Heet
                        Fiction is MI-24 with Vitebsk, which is installed on MI-35.

                        Is the Mi-35 very different from the MI-24? It's just a Boeing and An-2. Or maybe again, there is no money, but you hold on. The guys on these boards act as suicide bombers. You might think that there are thousands of MI-24 in the army, which cannot be supplied to a hundred with a complex. Everything as usual.
          3. Past the crocodile
            Past the crocodile 10 November 2020 21: 10
            -1
            I am ashamed to ask - why do they need it? It is unlikely that they want to lose their ... statehood.
            1. BecmepH
              BecmepH 11 November 2020 13: 16
              0
              Quote: Past Crocodile
              I am ashamed to ask - why do they need it? It is unlikely that they want to lose their ... statehood.

              How will they lose it?))) The whole world is behind them! They just wouldn't fart ...
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 10 November 2020 18: 28
        -3
        What results did Erdogan achieve in Karabakh, if not counting the fact that he drove Aliyev into a "dead corner"?
        1. Past the crocodile
          Past the crocodile 10 November 2020 21: 15
          0
          drove Aliyev into a "dead corner"
          If you looked in the Azerbaijani media, you would see such support of the people, which our Solntseliky did not have even after taking Crimea. For Azerbaijanis, their president is now almost God.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 10 November 2020 22: 33
            -4
            The euphoria of "victory" will pass in a couple of weeks. But empty refrigerators will take much longer)))
            1. Peter rybak
              Peter rybak 12 November 2020 08: 31
              -1
              Quote: TermNachTER
              The euphoria of "victory" will pass in a couple of weeks. But empty refrigerators will take much longer)))

              What do you know about the state of refrigerators in Azerbaijan?
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 12 November 2020 13: 18
                -1
                From official sources - in the summer, the budget was adjusted downward, from the oil price. The war has not started yet))) we will wait for the latest information from the Financial Times
    3. MTN
      MTN 10 November 2020 16: 28
      -7
      Quote: Invoce
      But maybe it was a provocation arranged by Turkey

      Why would Turkey arrange a toad for Azerbaijan? I believe in 2 options. Either ours mistakenly adopted Armenian and may be given a medal to get worn out (did not think about the consequences) or a traitor. I do not rule out. I will willingly believe. We had enough traitors in Azerbaijan, both in the army and among the commoners who betrayed in 2016. So someone said to the jackal and who? .............. who could know the route of the convoy? Who knew that the helicopter would fly from there? A very interesting question.
      1. brr1
        brr1 10 November 2020 17: 12
        +7
        Why would Turkey arrange a toad for Azerbaijan?

        Probably because you are just cannon fodder for them. From the category of "who do not mind"
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 10 November 2020 19: 32
          +1
          Quote: brr1
          Probably because you are just cannon fodder for them

          No, they are brothers ...
          1. Koval Sergey
            Koval Sergey 10 November 2020 22: 47
            15
            Quote: Tank Hard
            Probably because you are just cannon fodder for them

            No, they are brothers ...

            Then the "cannon brothers"
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 10 November 2020 19: 28
        +2
        Quote: MTN
        Why would Turkey arrange a toad for Azerbaijan?

        They killed Russian guys away from the war, do you think no one sees? In vain ...
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 11 November 2020 13: 18
          0
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Quote: MTN
          Why would Turkey arrange a toad for Azerbaijan?

          They killed Russian guys away from the war, do you think no one sees? In vain ...

          And who sees?
          Well, they even see ... So what ?!
        2. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 13 November 2020 05: 12
          0
          Quote: Tank Hard
          They killed Russian guys away from the war, do you think no one sees? In vain ...

          By the way, on that day, in my opinion, along the Mayak (in the car) there was information that the pilots were of "Armenian" nationality, can anyone clarify?
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 13 November 2020 08: 52
            0
            Quote: pmkemcity
            By the way, on that day, in my opinion, along the Mayak (in the car) there was information that the pilots were of "Armenian" nationality, can anyone clarify?

            Russian guys. Yuri Ischuk and Roman Fedin. Copy the link, see.
            [media =https://meduza.io/news/2020/11/10/putin-nazval-imena-pogibshih-pilotov-vertoleta-kotoryy-byl-sbit-azerbaydzhanskoy-raketoy]
            1. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity 13 November 2020 09: 28
              0
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Russian guys. Yuri Ischuk and Roman Fedin. Copy the link, see.

              Thank you.
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 10 November 2020 16: 59
      +1
      Quote: Invoce
      Everyone thought so! Probably the majority - for sure!


      And why am I not everything?
    5. Tank hard
      Tank hard 10 November 2020 19: 27
      +2
      Quote: Invoce
      Thanks to Aliyev for the timely admission of "guilt".

      Yeah, can you also bow at your feet?
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 11 November 2020 13: 21
        +3
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Quote: Invoce
        Thanks to Aliyev for the timely admission of "guilt".

        Yeah, can you also bow at your feet?

        I am now amazed at the virtue of such good-natured girls (((And if your relative was in that helicopter? An apology would also be enough. Also tell me that they promised compensation. How much is this compensation necessary for the children, wife, parents of the dead?
        Would you trade the life of a loved one for compensation?
        Why do you justify them?
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 11 November 2020 13: 24
          +3
          Quote: BecmepH
          I am amazed at the virtue of such kind people

          But it doesn't surprise me, it makes me angry.
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 11 November 2020 13: 31
            +2
            Quote: Tank Hard
            Quote: BecmepH
            I am amazed at the virtue of such kind people

            But it doesn't surprise me, it makes me angry.

            I fully support you
    6. Magadan
      Magadan 11 November 2020 08: 31
      -2
      What are you saying!

      Well, of course it's all ensign Sidorov's fault! Well, or there Sidor-oglu in their language.
      And Putin shook his finger. And Aliyev and Perdogan were scared laughing
      And the fact that the helicopter was shot down on the day of the surrender of Karabakh is purely a coincidence good
      And finally Putin raises us from our knees, do not bother him.
      And a little more, well, just about soon, our S-300s will finally begin to shoot down Israeli planes that Syria is bombed with enviable regularity.
      And in general, everything is great.
      Bury our heads in the sand and beyond
      1. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 13 November 2020 05: 24
        0
        Quote: Magadan
        And the fact that the helicopter was shot down on the day of the surrender of Karabakh is purely a coincidence

        On the last day of the war, July 27, 1953, the Americans shot down an IL-12 passenger plane over China. What for? The fact of the destruction of an unarmed Il-12 passenger aircraft by the American government was recognized on August 1, 1953.
        Christmas bombing of Hanoi in 1972, when peace negotiations were already underway and a few days later an agreement was reached in Paris. What for?
        Dresden practically taken by us in 1945? But you never know ...
        Is all this "pure coincidence"?
  2. Cron
    Cron 10 November 2020 15: 56
    +4
    I understand that it was only the fact that a peace treaty was already prepared that saved you from any big consequences?
    1. gurzuf
      gurzuf 10 November 2020 16: 47
      +4
      Or a peace treaty arose immediately after the tragedy with Mi at the request of Moscow and Baku, not wishing to fight with the Russian Federation, instantly accepted all the terms of this treaty.
      1. Runoway
        Runoway 10 November 2020 17: 34
        -1
        How the two of you are just trying to pull the version you want No.
        1. gurzuf
          gurzuf 10 November 2020 20: 55
          +1
          And that in such a situation az still had a choice to avoid war with the Russian Federation and save face in front of the world community? (unless my version is correct (I don't pretend to be accurate))
          1. Runoway
            Runoway 10 November 2020 22: 45
            0
            The situation with the helicopter is a pure provocation, but from whose side:
            -Azerbaijan? (Believing in himself like Erdogan, or his recruitment)
            -Armenia (recruiting AZ soldiers wishing to save their territories thanks to an ally)
            -USA (recruiting AZ soldiers, interest to involve the Russian Federation in the conflict)
            But first of all, the carelessness of our army, the carelessness of our intelligence
            AND! There is no need to enter the war, but an instant forceful response had to be, clearly, so that not a single scum would even have a thought in the future. And then just figure out who was wrong and who is to blame.
            We do not join on whose side we have eliminated aggression against our Armed Forces
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 10 November 2020 17: 03
      +2
      Quote: Cron
      I understand that it was only the fact that a peace treaty was already prepared that saved you from any big consequences?

      For military unit 90600, everything was ready for a week on Vostochny
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 10 November 2020 15: 57
    -3
    So we'll see what Aliyev's word is worth, who is exactly to blame, and how they will be punished for the downed helicopter, and whether they will be punished, and whether they will be punished! Will it not come out that they really punished the innocent, because it was necessary to find an urgent one! And what guarantees that we will not lose a helicopter or a plane in that region from "friendly fire"?
    1. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 10 November 2020 16: 30
      -5
      Aliyev's haste (took the blame) speaks of a preliminary agreement, but something went wrong.
      1. Alexander Kopychev
        Alexander Kopychev 10 November 2020 16: 57
        -4
        I am clarifying for the minusers - a joint agreement between Putin, Erdogan, Aliyev, Pashinyan, maybe even Macron and representatives of the Sha ... What did you think? Some kind of skin framed Ilham.
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 10 November 2020 19: 35
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      So we'll see what Aliyev's word is worth

      It costs nothing, like Pashinyan and others. IMHO
  4. donavi49
    donavi49 10 November 2020 16: 01
    11
    On November 10, President of the Republic of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev called President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin.

    The President of Azerbaijan expressed condolences in connection with the tragedy of the shooting down of a Russian Air Force helicopter in the Nakhchivan region on the Azerbaijani-Armenian border.

    President Ilham Aliyev apologized for this tragedy and said that the helicopter was considered an Armenian Air Force helicopter at night.

    The head of state expressed his condolences to the families and friends of the victims and wished the injured pilot a speedy recovery.

    President Ilham Aliyev said that the Azerbaijani side is ready to pay compensation to the families of the killed and wounded pilots.

    President Ilham Aliyev told President Vladimir Putin that The General Prosecutor's Office of the Republic of Azerbaijan has opened a criminal case and an investigation is underway. The perpetrators will be punished, and the Russian side will be informed.

    President Vladimir Putin thanked President Ilham Aliyev for the phone call, noting that such incidents are unacceptable.

    The parties expressed confidence that such cases are not allowed in the future.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 10 November 2020 16: 50
      +2
      We should have put them in this helicopter.
  5. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 10 November 2020 16: 02
    -1
    Let's see how sincere Aliyev is. To what extent he is in control of the situation ... And is there any interest from the Turks here.
    1. ultra
      ultra 10 November 2020 16: 21
      +3
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Let's see how sincere Aliyev is.

      Do you believe in the sincerity of the Turks? laughing
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 10 November 2020 16: 37
        -1
        Of course not... smile let's see how Aliyev's Turks took control.
    2. MTN
      MTN 10 November 2020 16: 36
      -3
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      And is there any interest of the Turks here.

      What interest could Turkey have? Turkey helped Azerbaijan, and not vice versa, put it in such a position that Russia could destroy all of Karabakh and say .... sorry, wrong .... It was a disaster ............ a real embarrassment. I'm sure the perpetrators will be punished.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 10 November 2020 19: 40
        -1
        Quote: MTN
        .This disaster was ............ a real embarrassment.

        Turks killed - embarrassment, Israelis killed - embarrassment, Azerbaijanis killed (= Turks, because brothers) - confusion ... We remember.
  6. Turanov
    Turanov 10 November 2020 16: 02
    0
    Azerbaijani military may lose positions due to strike on Russian Mi-24

    Aha, that's how we believed .. I wouldn't be surprised if they were still awarded the highest order of Turkey ..

    A brilliant operation, everything was thought out to the smallest detail. hi
    Armenia was punished clearly (or rather those who are in power) .. Now Armenia will no longer be able to blackmail Russia "like the invaders" Everything is officially and Karabakh has been preserved.
    Eh, Armenia, pride will ruin you ..
    1. MTN
      MTN 10 November 2020 16: 43
      0
      Quote: Turanov
      Aha, that's how we believed .. I wouldn't be surprised if they were still awarded the highest order of Turkey ..

      You have too bad opinion about Azerbaijan. Let's wait for the investigation ...........

      Quote: Turanov
      Everything officially and Karabakh was preserved.
      Eh, Armenia, pride will ruin you ..

      Where did they keep it? Russian troops (peacekeepers) will be exclusively in Lachin. Azerbaijan will not leave Shushi. Until December 1, more than one Armenian soldier will not be on the territory of Karabakh. What else has been preserved.

      And their pride had already ruined them. They lost their reputation and land and equipment and money and people. The war cost them 30 a day. And this is almost a billion and 300 lamas. In short, Putin-Aliyev-Erdogan divorced and punished the prodigal Pashinyan in full and everyone is happy.
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 10 November 2020 17: 01
        -2
        Quote: MTN
        You have too bad opinion about Azerbaijan. Let's wait for the investigation ...

        I have a normal attitude towards both Azerbaijan and Armenia (although it is closer to us in spirit)
        And I think that it was a provocation and it did its job ..
        Quote: MTN
        Where did they keep it? Russian troops (peacekeepers) will be exclusively in Lachin. Azerbaijan will not leave Shushi. Until December 1, more than one Armenian soldier will not be on the territory of Karabakh. What else has been preserved.

        There will be no Armenians, the NK militia will remain under the control of Russia, etc. Let's not argue and face off .. The main carnage has stopped, because the losses on both sides are great, even for such a small conflict. Pashinyan is the shame of Armenia, Aliyev kept his word (I respect), otherwise everything is under the questions!
        1. Past the crocodile
          Past the crocodile 10 November 2020 21: 29
          +2
          A thin peace is better than a good war, the Armenians (and not only them) - a lesson: you need to be more careful in choosing your friends and sponsors. I hope the parties will stop provoking each other.
          1. Rjkley
            Rjkley 10 November 2020 22: 17
            0
            HZ. Which of them is a FRIEND .... Neither one nor the other, I do not think so !!!!!!
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 10 November 2020 18: 35
        -8
        Armenia retained almost all of Karabakh and the Lachin corridor. And why do you think that the Armenians will just leave the land on which they lived for 30 years (or more broadly, about 3000 years), where are their houses, churches, and the graves of their ancestors? I think you will have a guerrilla war for many years. The terrain for the partisans is excellent, the Armenians know it, the base territory is nearby. And setting up an ambush on a mountain road is generally the dream of any saboteur, with a minimum of funds, you can get the maximum result and without losses on your part.
      3. Tank hard
        Tank hard 10 November 2020 19: 42
        -2
        Quote: MTN
        You have a too bad opinion of Azerbaijan

        And what opinion can there be about the murderers ?! Did these Russians attack Azerbaijan? There is no good opinion about the murderers.
    2. bar
      bar 10 November 2020 18: 31
      0
      Azerbaijani military may lose positions due to strike on Russian Mi-24

      Aha, that's how we believed ..

      And I would have believed. It is no secret that Turks and pro-Turkish chiefs run the show in the Azerbaijani army. Aliyev has a good reason to get rid of them and loosen Erdogan's "friendly grip". I don’t know how he will succeed, but he will definitely try.
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 10 November 2020 18: 56
        -1
        Quote: bar
        Azerbaijani military may lose positions due to strike on Russian Mi-24

        Aha, that's how we believed ..

        And I would have believed. It is no secret that Turks and pro-Turkish chiefs run the show in the Azerbaijani army. Aliyev has a good reason to get rid of them and loosen Erdogan's "friendly grip". I don’t know how he will succeed, but he will definitely try.

        I also hope so, but the Turks will not just leave Azerbaijan .. You will have to pay for everything, Erdogan did not just help and very seriously Aliyev.
        1. Past the crocodile
          Past the crocodile 10 November 2020 21: 35
          -1
          Quote: Turanov
          You have to pay for everything

          Otherwise, Erdogan will accidentally let out who is the instigator of the conflict and the details of the campaign.
    3. alexmach
      alexmach 10 November 2020 18: 32
      0
      Aha, that's how we believed .. I wouldn't be surprised if they were still awarded the highest order of Turkey ..

      Well, it means we will have to bang another Turkish convoy in Idlib, or there is some "observation post" not registered in time. Maybe a training camp with terrorists and instructors in one.
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 10 November 2020 19: 01
        -2
        Quote: alexmach
        Aha, that's how we believed .. I wouldn't be surprised if they were still awarded the highest order of Turkey ..

        Well, it means we will have to bang another Turkish convoy in Idlib, or there is some "observation post" not registered in time. Maybe a training camp with terrorists and instructors in one.

        Yes, it would be high time Erdogan began to become impudent, specifically ..
  7. New Year day
    New Year day 10 November 2020 16: 02
    +6
    You can't bring fathers back to children, who will raise them and put them on their feet?
  8. Cron
    Cron 10 November 2020 16: 03
    12
    - I'm afraid of something, Recep. Do you think it will?
    - Yes you calm down! Everything will work! I've done this a hundred times!
    1. halpat
      halpat 10 November 2020 16: 19
      +1
      Quote: Cron
      - I'm afraid of something, Recep. Do you think it will?
      - Yes you calm down! Everything will work! I've done this a hundred times!

      It is time to end the business of Sultaniy's stolen Syrian oil. Completely.
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 10 November 2020 17: 04
        0
        Quote: Halpat
        It is time to end the business of Sultaniy's stolen Syrian oil. Completely.

        You propose to repeat the destruction of the oil tankers and shoot on video)))))
        Need to think !
  9. Old tanker
    Old tanker 10 November 2020 16: 03
    +1
    I just don't quite understand why the air escort of the convoy was needed which was going through the territory of Armenia? Whom did this helicopter cover the column from a possible attack? DRG of Azerbaijanis on the territory of Armenia? Or from disgruntled Armenian citizens?
    1. Cron
      Cron 10 November 2020 16: 16
      +7
      Quote: Old Tanker
      I just don't quite understand why the air escort of the convoy was needed which was going through the territory of Armenia? Whom did this helicopter cover the column from a possible attack? DRG of Azerbaijanis on the territory of Armenia? Or from disgruntled Armenian citizens?

      What's the difference what this helicopter was doing there? In the airspace of Armenia, those under the protection of the CSTO, even birds should feel safe
    2. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 10 November 2020 16: 44
      -1
      Perhaps he carried suspended containers of electronic warfare or radar reconnaissance?
  10. signifera
    signifera 10 November 2020 16: 10
    12
    If it were an American helicopter, this calculation would no longer exist and everything that is next to it with a probability of 95%, 5% that they run very fast and hide well, would have earned themselves a reprieve. And then maybe they would start to understand. Nobody dares to knock them down, everyone understands, there will be a response right away. And for our military, it is enough to apologize, pay off, receive condemnation, bewilderment and indignation, it is insulting. Nobody respects or fears our country.
    1. Cron
      Cron 10 November 2020 16: 12
      -7
      Quote: Signifer
      If it were an American helicopter, this calculation would no longer exist and everything that is next to it with a probability of 95%, 5% that they run very fast and hide well, would have earned themselves a reprieve. And then maybe they would start to understand. Nobody dares to knock them down, everyone understands, there will be a response right away. And for our military, it is enough to apologize, pay off, receive condemnation, bewilderment and indignation, it is insulting. Nobody respects or fears our country.

      What response did Iran fly in for a missile strike on an American base in Iraq?
      1. sustav75
        sustav75 10 November 2020 16: 19
        +8
        So it was Iran that gave answer to amers for the murder of its general, the IRGC.
        1. Cron
          Cron 10 November 2020 16: 28
          -5
          Quote: sustav75
          So it was Iran that gave answer to amers for the murder of its general, the IRGC.

          Well then, it changes everything ... And if the Turks had struck at Khmeimim, in response to the death of their military in Idlib from an air strike? Would you also perceive this as an ordinary response, or would there be a buzz everywhere as Russia was once again humiliated?

          They cannot answer Iran, at least not yet, that's the whole answer. There is no need to invent a reply.
          Hitting an American military base is a response. I think you're just all laughing
          1. signifera
            signifera 10 November 2020 16: 44
            +3
            Kron, what's the matter, in Idlib at that time they (the Turks) seemed to be gone, they themselves resisted to the last. Then the Turks to the last excused themselves that they were not among the militants. Plus, no one invited them to Idlib. And when the militants were covered, along with the Turkish advisers, who, according to the Turks, allegedly were not there, there was an embarrassment. Mass deaths of the Turkish military. But also x is not there! How can they present something? And also to confirm that they are helping the militants. And here is a mistake. And even if they thought it was an Armenian helicopter over the Armenian territory, as they call it now. They are not at war with Armenia, they said themselves. Nothing sticks at all in this case.
            1. Cron
              Cron 10 November 2020 16: 55
              -2
              Quote: Signifer
              Kron, what's the matter, in Idlib at that time they (the Turks) seemed to be gone, they themselves resisted to the last. Then the Turks to the last excused themselves that they were not among the militants. Plus, no one invited them to Idlib. And when the militants were covered, along with the Turkish advisers, who, according to the Turks, allegedly were not there, there was an embarrassment. Mass deaths of the Turkish military. But also x is not there! How can they present something? And also to confirm that they are helping the militants. And here is a mistake. And even if they thought it was an Armenian helicopter over the Armenian territory, as they call it now. They are not at war with Armenia, they said themselves. Nothing sticks at all in this case.

              This is not even the point. Attacking a military base is the actual declaration of war that was meant to be for the Americans. Well, at least they could have shot down these missiles, couldn't they? Well, destroy the crew that launched these missiles. Well, everyone understands what Iran is. This would be followed by a large-scale strike on all American bases in the region, but without any warnings and losses would have been very large. Nobody could do that.
              That's all. And tales about the answer are nonsense for witnesses of the greatness of America.
          2. KKND
            KKND 10 November 2020 16: 53
            +2
            Quote: Cron
            I think you're just all laughing

            This is not what you are trying to make black-white. The Americans killed the general, the response flew in. What is not clear? Well, come on, another try.
            1. Cron
              Cron 10 November 2020 17: 08
              -1
              Quote: KKND
              Quote: Cron
              I think you're just all laughing

              This is not what you are trying to make black-white. The Americans killed the general, the response flew in. What is not clear? Well, come on, another try.

              What are these otvetki on military bases? Maybe it's just that someone is trying to wipe someone's ass? I repeat once again, if the same happened with the Khmeimim base, you would write something completely different.
              They did not answer, because they did not want to start a war. That’s the whole answer, not some invented nonsense by the local public.
              1. KKND
                KKND 10 November 2020 17: 17
                +1
                Quote: Cron
                They did not answer, because they did not want to start a war.

                Reply to reply? It is possible, but in diplomacy it is not necessary for the image. The simple answer is enough.
                And then Iran turned out to be weak. If only the janitor would be killed or something.
                1. Cron
                  Cron 10 November 2020 17: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: KKND
                  Quote: Cron
                  They did not answer, because they did not want to start a war.

                  Reply to reply? It is possible, but in diplomacy it is not necessary for the image. The simple answer is enough.
                  And then Iran turned out to be weak. If only the janitor would be killed or something.

                  Is the image in that, according to the message of your Iraqi friends, to abandon your base while missiles fly over it? Strong however. It seemed to me that the image when you are, in principle, afraid to touch. Yes, yes, weak. This is what the Americans are good at, so present any observer as an achievement. At first, there were no casualties at all, then slowly it grew up to 60. I would not be surprised if a lot was simply hushed up in order to save face.
                  They didn’t hit back, just because Iran would have responded much harder. And all bases in the region were already under attack, for example, the same base in Qatar, but now no one would have been warned and the losses would have been very large. What they couldn't afford.
                  Everything else is for the weak-minded
      2. Lesorub
        Lesorub 10 November 2020 16: 25
        +3
        Quote: Cron
        What response did Iran fly in for a missile strike on an American base in Iraq?

        Do not be ridiculous - when Iran hit the base of the Americans, not a single striped soldier was injured (100% agreement), and do not forget before that the striped cocknails of a high-ranking military man
        1. Cron
          Cron 10 November 2020 16: 38
          +2
          Quote: Lesorub
          Quote: Cron
          What response did Iran fly in for a missile strike on an American base in Iraq?

          Do not be ridiculous - when Iran hit the base of the Americans, not a single striped soldier was injured (100% agreement), and do not forget before that the striped cocknails of a high-ranking military man

          Are you laughing or what? "The number of US troops affected by Iranian strikes in Iraq has exceeded 60"

          And when did the Turks lose their military in Idlib from an air strike? If they struck at Khmeimim "by agreement"? How would you take it all? How's another humiliation? And they shouted that the United States would destroy the country that allowed itself this. You hypocrites, that's all
          1. signifera
            signifera 10 November 2020 16: 50
            +2
            "Are you laughing?" The number of US troops affected by Iranian strikes in Iraq has exceeded 60.

            How did they suffer? All were diagnosed with contusion. Well, maybe the pants are stained, they didn't say anything about it. If a car throws mud at you, it will also suffer to some extent. We sat out in shelters, someone got scared, someone bravely waited out. But the fact is that they knew about the blow and sat in cover. A strange blow, the whole world expressed it.
            1. Cron
              Cron 10 November 2020 17: 02
              -1
              Quote: Signifer
              "Are you laughing?" The number of US troops affected by Iranian strikes in Iraq has exceeded 60.

              How did they suffer? All were diagnosed with contusion. Well, maybe the pants are stained, they didn't say anything about it. If a car throws mud at you, it will also suffer to some extent. We sat out in shelters, someone got scared, someone bravely waited out. But the fact is that they knew about the blow and sat in cover. A strange blow, the whole world expressed it.

              Well, write that not one deceased and seriously wounded, you write that there were no victims at all. And who received concussions then? And it is far from the fact that all this was simply not hushed up. There may even have been killed and seriously wounded. Since at first they said that no one was hurt. It was only later that the numbers began to be announced, at first there were 10, then 20, and so they crawled to 60.
              1. signifera
                signifera 10 November 2020 17: 18
                +1
                Several "experts", perhaps just of our level, expressed the opinion that the military decided to receive payments in this way, as victims or injured in a combat zone. One was given, the second, everyone was guided and asked for medical help. but you must admit that this is a missile strike on the base, when there are no dead, really wounded.
                1. Cron
                  Cron 10 November 2020 17: 33
                  -1
                  Quote: Signifer
                  Several "experts", perhaps just of our level, expressed the opinion that the military decided to receive payments in this way, as victims or injured in a combat zone. One was given, the second, everyone was guided and asked for medical help. but you must admit that this is a missile strike on the base, when there are no dead, really wounded.

                  Well, as it were, the main version was that Iran warned its Iraqi friends, the same, in turn, the United States. Naturally, it was not beneficial to Iran that the Americans suffered. Nobody wanted war. And to give them an answer was a matter of principle. Plus the rank of general obliged to find a target for the largest, so they agreed on the base
        2. Alexander Kopychev
          Alexander Kopychev 10 November 2020 16: 49
          0
          Don't be ridiculous - not a single striped soldier was injured when Iran hit the American base

          True, many of the striped ones there needed psychological rehabilitation. laughing
    2. halpat
      halpat 10 November 2020 16: 37
      +4
      Quote: Signifer
      If it were an American helicopter, this calculation would no longer exist and everything that is next to it with a probability of 95%, 5% that they run very fast and hide well, would have earned themselves a reprieve. And then maybe they would start to understand. Nobody dares to knock them down, everyone understands, there will be a response right away. And for our military, it is enough to apologize, pay off, receive condemnation, bewilderment and indignation, it is insulting. Nobody respects or fears our country.

      Come on. Hollywood you reviewed the other day, apparently.
      Commando ... Corby ... Coordinates laughing


      I'll remind you ...
      - Operation to rescue American hostages from the embassy in Iran
      1980 year.
      - the battle in Mogadishu, even the film is "Blackhawk Down"
      1993 year.
      - the defeat of the American embassy in Libya, with the murder of the ambassador.
      2012 year.
      All 3 above "episodes" did not lead to the defeat and immediate punishment of some attackers or those guilty of something, but to the termination of the direct participation of the Americans directly in hostilities, what kind of immediate revenge is there.
      And these are only high-profile cases.
      Google at your leisure, take an interest :)
      1. signifera
        signifera 10 November 2020 16: 57
        +1
        Yes, I agree, sometimes they get it. But where and what is now with Libya? Especially with its leader. In Mogadishu, in my opinion, there is a serious miscalculation in planning and reconnaissance, but they got in there themselves, they were not invited, they themselves provoked the attack, showing that they were few. Would have entered with a couple of tanks, the militants would probably not have twitched. Or maybe our Defense Ministry was wrong, in the midst of hostilities to use a helicopter there, without warning anyone, and the military on the spot clearly worked on the enemy. One fig will not tell the truth.
        1. halpat
          halpat 10 November 2020 17: 35
          0
          Quote: Signifer
          Yes, I agree, sometimes they get it. But where and what is now with Libya? Especially with its leader. In Mogadishu, in my opinion, there is a serious miscalculation in planning and reconnaissance, but they got in there themselves, they were not invited, they themselves provoked the attack, showing that they were few. Would have entered with a couple of tanks, the militants would probably not have twitched. Or maybe our Defense Ministry was wrong, in the midst of hostilities to use a helicopter there, without warning anyone, and the military on the spot clearly worked on the enemy. One fig will not tell the truth.

          Americans get it on a regular basis, I mentioned only high-profile cases, films were made on them.
          And I also had an American friend, a participant in Operation Desert Storm. Veteran and stuff. He told me.
          In short, there is a lot of chaos and clumsiness, and they won't give you a lift, not dinner or breakfast, but for 2-3 days, and inconsistency in the interaction of parts, up to friendly fire - fire on our own.
          In general, like everywhere else. As in the war, in short.
    3. shkiper83
      shkiper83 12 November 2020 01: 11
      +1
      Please tell me, and with what kind of means from the convoy was it possible to deliver an immediate response to the positions of the gunman? Send another mi24? The risk is very high, even if there was a second escort. If retaliatory measures are taken taking into account the funds of the base in Armenia, then again, a certain amount of time will pass to clarify the details and the rise of the order of forces, and the gunman is already gone, but it will not work to strike any military units on the territory of another state from a swoop. you can get even greater losses. To attract even more forces, it will take even more time, like a vicious circle in the conditions of time zeinot, but here the agreement was signed and Azerbaijan apologized, and ours accepted them.
  11. Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 10 November 2020 16: 11
    +4
    Removal from their posts will bring Russian pilots back to life and make life easier for the families of the victims?
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 10 November 2020 16: 20
      +2
      No, of course not, but it is necessary to punish, and punish harshly, so that others think before pressing the trigger.
  12. Gardamir
    Gardamir 10 November 2020 16: 15
    +2
    And if the helicopter was shot down by the Turks?
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 10 November 2020 16: 36
      +1
      Gardamir, in your question the word "if" is superfluous! The likelihood of this is very high, but who and how will answer for this murder? We are not Israel, which will not forgive such a thing, and not the United States, which would have already arranged the lunar landscape in the place from which the rocket was launched long ago! We are Russia, here the main thing for the authorities is to understand, forgive and let go, because Turks, Azerbaijanis, even Armenians are friends for our government and our colleagues (at our expense) in business, this has long been clear!
  13. sustav75
    sustav75 10 November 2020 16: 16
    +2
    After the words in the heading "expected, some may lose". Or maybe not! I didn't even read the article.
  14. Dedok
    Dedok 10 November 2020 16: 24
    +2
    "At first there was a pause. Experts began to argue about who could benefit from a strike on a Russian helicopter. Opinions were voiced that this could be a provocation to draw Russia into the conflict in the Transcaucasus."

    And what, we - do not observe what is happening on earth - from space? Or is it expensive for us?
    And on the second, knowing where the blow was struck - a retaliatory blow, of maximum strength - and then Lavrov explains to the audience that this will continue to be so.
    There was already Turkey, now Azerbaijan, and who tomorrow? or again "women give birth" ...
  15. signifera
    signifera 10 November 2020 16: 25
    +2
    [/ Quote]
    What answer flew to Iran for a missile strike on an American base in Iraq? [/ Quote]

    Not a single American soldier has been killed at the bases, but what about Soleimani and others? Nobody will say how many Iranian military and proxies died in Syria, even if not always directly by the hands of the Americans ...

    However, it is a fact that very few people will dare to attack the American military, but such "authority" does not cover our military, which is insulting. Everything is merged by the Kremlin or converted.
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 10 November 2020 16: 42
      +1
      You are right, now everything is being bought and sold and unfortunately it is disgusting and insulting to the depths of the soul, but there were times when in our direction not only to blow but also to look were afraid, because behind every Soviet person there was a huge country and it was called the USSR
      1. Horon
        Horon 10 November 2020 19: 26
        +1
        In what universe was this? Maybe just censorship for each such information, and not a country for a person? fool
        1. vavilon
          vavilon 10 November 2020 21: 42
          -1
          I'm sorry you didn't see it and won't see it again
          1. Horon
            Horon 11 November 2020 12: 32
            +1
            I'm sorry that you are still living in a fantasy world. To remind you that our instructors died on the territory of other states and at the same time not only did not level anything there, but even forbade them to say that they served abroad. At one time they could not even receive pensions as combatants. Despite the fact that a thousand times fewer people went abroad than now, but even then the citizens of the USSR fell into trouble and the state did not always react to this by force, more often not. Not infrequently, censorship was turned on and only cases were made public where the state was covered only from the positive side, and negative information was secret.
            1. vavilon
              vavilon 11 November 2020 17: 21
              -1
              As for the instructors and secret special operations, this is practiced everywhere by all countries today, but so that our military planes were so impudently and openly slaughtered and then paid off for green papers, I don’t remember such a thing with an alliance
              1. Horon
                Horon 12 November 2020 07: 00
                +1
                This is not only the fault of the Azerbaijani side, but also of our leadership. Why did the combat helicopter end up in the conflict zone and at the same time did not inform all the warring parties? Not having fulfilled all the safety conditions, the incident went beyond the framework of the incident. The fact that the Azerbaijani side immediately admitted its mistake in general transferred it to the legal plane. The incident is over.
                But about the coolness of the USSR ... I know of cases of provocations on the Soviet-Chinese border of the late USSR with the death of border guards. So, there was no information in the press and there was no answer, they just brought a zinc coffin to relatives and quietly buried it. request
                1. vavilon
                  vavilon 12 November 2020 10: 27
                  0
                  there is one but! It was the Soviet-Chinese border conflict on Damansky Island and we all know perfectly well how it ended, but now with whom are we having an armed conflict? So far, I do not see that Russia is in conflict with anyone
                  1. Horon
                    Horon 12 November 2020 11: 47
                    0
                    It was not Damansky, and it was in the mid-80s. There was nothing for the Chinese.
                    So far, I do not see that Russia is in conflict with anyone

                    Do you want to be in conflict? Iran shot down a passenger plane, pleaded guilty. It was a non-threatening passenger plane. This is politics, and there it is necessary to think further than emotions can allow. In our case, it was a military helicopter located in the conflict zone and from the point of view of one of the parties capable of posing a threat to friendly units. Alas, we were also to blame for this incident, and before bombarding someone, it would be useful for us to put things in order ourselves.
                    1. vavilon
                      vavilon 12 November 2020 15: 11
                      0
                      I read our discussion carefully again and concluded that you are an ill-wisher of Russia, you will always see everything only in a negative sense, even if we are "the whole planet"
                      1. Horon
                        Horon 12 November 2020 16: 24
                        0
                        [quote = vavilon] You are right, now everything is being sold and bought and unfortunately it is disgusting and insulting to the depths of the soul, but there were times when not only to blow in our direction, but they were afraid to look, because behind every Soviet person there was a huge country and it was called the USSR [/ quote]
                        Yes, indeed, I am worried that for the accidentally shot down helicopter Russia did not arrange an armageddon for Azerbaijan, acquiring even more enemies and losing another country that buys and pays from us. And this is only in the immediate perspective. Then it gets worse. But they no longer thought to "blow" against us, everyone would have finally decided to prepare powerful armies as part of the alliances of anti-Russian states. After all, according to your rights, this particular participant of the commentary!
                        [quote = Signifer] [/ quote]
                        What answer flew to Iran for a missile strike on an American base in Iraq? [/ Quote]

                        Not a single American soldier has been killed at the bases, but what about Soleimani and others? Nobody will say how many Iranian military and proxies died in Syria, even if not always directly by the hands of the Americans ...

                        However, it is a fact that very few people will dare to attack the American military, but such "authority" does not cover our military, which is insulting. Everything is merged by the Kremlin or converted. [/ Quote]
                        This comment is provocative and indirectly calls for war and you thought it was correct. Are you sure that a war with everyone who looked unkindly towards Russia will be useful for Russia itself? Are you ready to go to war yourself or will you send your relatives to the war? Or will you merge like Armenians ready to fight only with the cops in the square? Or, as the Vlasovites will argue - the power is bad, therefore, although I am with the enemies, but against the power that:
                        [quote] now everything is sold and bought and unfortunately it is disgusting and insulting to the core, but there were times [/ quote]
                        Those also argued their betrayal by claims to the authorities.
                      2. vavilon
                        vavilon 13 November 2020 11: 53
                        0
                        I fully share your views and excuse me for saying this in my last commentary on your attitude towards Russia.
                        Of course, a direct conflict is not needed, but the authority of the state itself does not come for a long time and it is necessary to earn persistently and here some statements no longer work, they will respect only when they see and do not feel the strength and infallibility to action.
                        as in my opinion the problem of today's Russia is the system-oligarchs that have been established and in which in the first place the profit for which they worry more than for their homeland.
                      3. Horon
                        Horon 13 November 2020 15: 01
                        0
                        Most likely, our views can really coincide. Irresponsibility and the accompanying mess, the scourge of modernity. With such a baggage, you cannot gain any authority, and the oligarchs are only part of the problem here.
  • Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 10 November 2020 16: 25
    0
    For our guys, not shoulder straps, but heads should be removed from the guilty. So that everyone knows what the attack on the Russian Warrior is fraught with, so that others will not be familiar.
  • Note
    Note 10 November 2020 16: 28
    0
    What does Azerbaijan have to do with it? Well, how do you imagine it. A crew of 2 people with MANPADS sitting in the mountains on the border in Nakhichevan ?! And our helicopter is waiting. Going to shoot down over the territory of Armenia. Knowing what kind of collona is coming! Knowing what might happen next?
    1. Note
      Note 10 November 2020 16: 31
      +2
      And not even Armenians at all. But someone did it, and someone pointed to this helicopter. Think about it. Although the correct answer will not be pleasant at all. He's pretty scary
  • MTN
    MTN 10 November 2020 16: 31
    0
    In this regard, there are suggestions that the Azerbaijani authorities, following the results of the investigation (and Baku, judging by the speed of yesterday's confession, knows perfectly well who struck the blow) will make personnel decisions - in terms of removing at least representatives of the command of air defense structures from their posts. Otherwise (if these persons do not lose their positions), even if there is an official apology, it will look as if the Azerbaijani side does not consider the incident to be the unprofessionalism of its high-ranking military personnel and is not ready to force them to answer for what they did.

    Be sure to do this! Who gave the order and the one who fired. Both of them must be planted. To drive from the army is an easy crime. They go-oh-you could put Azerbaijan in a catastrophic situation. Definitely plant. First you need to find out why you fired? How did you know what would fly there? Who gave him info? And what if this one has relatives with the Armenians (the case of 2016 is the fact. There were traitors in the Azerbaijani Army) and there the call was said to be flying. I don’t know I don’t want to slander ........... but would like a thorough investigation and a fair punishment.
  • Seal
    Seal 10 November 2020 16: 33
    +1
    The road along which the convoy was and, accordingly, over which the helicopter flew, passes at a distance of less than a kilometer from the border with the Nakhichevan region of Azerbaijan. Moreover, the road first rushes directly to this area and only before the very border turns. Azerbaijanis know that Armenia has the same helicopters. And here is the situation - at night the Azerbaijanis see that a combat crocodile is flying at them from the territory of Armenia at low altitude. How do they know whose helicopter it is? How do they know what is on the mind of the crew of this helicopter, especially considering the numerous cries of Armenians about the need to bomb the Azerbaijani gas and oil pipelines. Of course, it was necessary to notify through our General Staff - the Azerbaijan General Staff that at such and such a time our convoy would pass near the border, accompanied by a helicopter. We inform even NATO countries of any exercises on our territory. And then either they themselves burst out, or they hoped that the Armenian military air traffic controllers would notify their Azerbaijani colleagues. So, it is quite possible that the Armenian air traffic controllers assured our military that the information would be brought to the Azerbaijani side, and ours calmed down on this. And the Armenians, of course, did not bring anything to the Azerbaijani military or even to the Azerbaijani air traffic controllers. They hoped for what happened. Only the consequences for the Armenians turned out to be completely different from what they expected.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 10 November 2020 16: 35
    +1
    First of all, the Armenian elite and its puppeteers were interested in drawing Russia into this conflict.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 10 November 2020 16: 49
    -2
    Quote: Petro_tut
    Removal from their posts will bring Russian pilots back to life and make life easier for the families of the victims?

    And what are the names already named?
    1. vanNormayenn
      vanNormayenn 10 November 2020 17: 11
      -1
      By the way, this is still a question. I remember when the Turks shot down the SU-24, the names of the pilots were immediately named.
    2. Note
      Note 10 November 2020 17: 28
      0
      But this is the right question ..
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf 10 November 2020 16: 51
    -2
    Quote: donavi49
    President Ilham Aliyev apologized for this tragedy and said that the helicopter was considered an Armenian Air Force helicopter at night.

    Children's sculpts. Is he not aware that the Russian Federation is connected with the Armenians by an agreement? And yes, did Azerbaijan declare war on Armenia in order to shoot down their LA on the territory of Armenia? In any case, this shot is a declaration of war on the RF.
  • book
    book 10 November 2020 16: 52
    -3
    for a shot down one must destroy a dozen. or else they will shoot down ours and our government is stupid to chew and express condolences to families. blood for blood and nothing else. the enemy must be afraid and respected
  • st2st
    st2st 10 November 2020 16: 53
    0
    It turns out that the MI-24 crew was doomed in advance, even before the convoy was escorted, for the sake of political games. Isn't the price of reconciliation of the two feudal Caucasian formations too high?
    1. Note
      Note 10 November 2020 17: 28
      +3
      Almost the answer.
      1. Note
        Note 10 November 2020 17: 30
        0
        Not all of course in the right direction
        1. maktub
          maktub 10 November 2020 18: 43
          0
          I have the same opinion as you about the turntable.
    2. Alexander Galaktionov
      Alexander Galaktionov 10 November 2020 17: 42
      +1
      All the way, Putin will once again treat Erdogan's ice cream
    3. gurzuf
      gurzuf 10 November 2020 17: 57
      -1
      And who benefits from Russia being at war? There are many of them, including unshaven barmaley.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 10 November 2020 16: 53
    0
    Quote: Lesorub
    Quote: Cron
    What response did Iran fly in for a missile strike on an American base in Iraq?

    Do not be ridiculous - when Iran hit the base of the Americans, not a single striped soldier was injured (100% agreement), and do not forget before that the striped cocknails of a high-ranking military man

    Well, sort of hurt, and not one. It was inconvenient for the actors to voice it simply. They always seem to have no losses, and there are corpses in decent numbers. It is hard to believe in some kind of agreement between Iran and the United States.
  • Teacher67
    Teacher67 10 November 2020 17: 15
    -4
    Couch are you out of your mind? , This is an act of aggression against Russia, and you are "set up", "wow, we will find the villains."
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 10 November 2020 20: 58
      +1
      Quote: Teacher67
      Couch are you out of your mind? , This is an act of aggression against Russia, and you are "set up", "wow, we will find the villains."

      Thank God, such "experts" as you have nothing to do with either military or political management. There is a right, there are mechanisms for resolving such incidents.

      No, it cannot be considered and regarded as aggression if as a result of maneuvers, etc. there is a loss of equipment and the death of military personnel, and the guilty party admits this, apologizes and pays compensation.

      Otherwise, it has long been not like the Third World War, but the Eleventh was. Read how many such incidents the USSR or the United States had, and other countries as well.
  • For Courage
    For Courage 10 November 2020 17: 23
    +2
    It turns out that not everything is so simple in the joke about the boy, dad's dagger and watch ..... Even if there is a dagger, our boy will say to robbers and rapists: "Good evening! Moscow time 12 hours 30 minutes!"
  • Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 10 November 2020 17: 40
    0
    Again a stab in the back, then the Su 24, then the ambassador to Turkey, then ours in Syria, those that the PMCs were bombed by the United States, well, this is the United States and Turkey in Syria, you can intermeddle by occupying then there it is not here, now Mi 24 recourse so NATO C 400 on a concessional loan there and a nuclear power plant and there was also help to the economy If such a friend is a mustachioed cockroach, then what can we enter NATO? and why is the Central Bank doing everything at the behest of the IMF
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 10 November 2020 17: 59
    +3
    In general, the story with the downed helicopter looks like a right location!
    Believe me, it is very difficult to grab MANPADS from the bay of a flounder to bring it into combat condition, to capture a low-flying target, even at night.
    It looks like the pinwheel was waiting.
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 10 November 2020 21: 03
      +1
      Attacks of Armenians were expected there, not just a turntable. Moreover, during this war the Armenians inflicted a blow on Nakhichevan, beaten from the Tochka-U OTRK in the eastern part of Nakhichevan, and in the 90s intense fighting took place in this area, when the Armenians tried to seize Nakhichevan in addition to Karabakh.
  • Old26
    Old26 10 November 2020 18: 31
    +1
    Quote: gurzuf
    Children's sculpts. Is he not aware that the Russian Federation is connected with the Armenians by an agreement? And yes, did Azerbaijan declare war on Armenia in order to shoot down their LA on the territory of Armenia? In any case, this shot is a declaration of war on the RF.

    And when the S-300, which are only in service with Armenia, and not Nagorno-Karabakh, suddenly find themselves in a combat zone? What then? Should Armenia be declared an aggressor? Or shooting "Dots" and their further destruction? What then. No need to understand any case so straightforward
  • opuonmed
    opuonmed 10 November 2020 18: 51
    0
    who shot let them be brought to justice in the Russian Federation
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 10 November 2020 21: 05
      -1
      They will not give us back, in general, no one extradits the citizens of their states, and even more so the military.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 10 November 2020 18: 58
    0
    Well done Aliev hi It’s a no brainer that the Azerbaijani army is full of sick victories ready to fight to the last. They wanted to spoil.
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  • Yurahip
    Yurahip 10 November 2020 20: 26
    -1
    Yes, the performers will be punished!
    Instead of the title of heroes of Azerbaijan, they will simply be awarded a medal for military merit.
    Donkeys ....
  • Tuzik
    Tuzik 10 November 2020 20: 41
    0
    great, for murder - dismissal, and everybody dance and sing
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 10 November 2020 20: 49
    0
    MTN... Or ours mistakenly adopted Armenian and to get worn out, maybe they will give a medal (did not think about the consequences)

    We talked for a long time today with a friend who served in Nakhichevan, who knows her like the back of his hand. Shot down a helicopter near the village of Sadarek:
    1. From this direction in the 90s the Armenians attacked Nakhichevan.
    2. There is also a narrow section of the border of Nakhichevan with Turkey and a bridge connecting with it.
    3. There are likely to be deployed MLRS Kasyrga as a means of deterring Yerevan.
    In the conditions of hostilities in Karabakh and the defeat of the Armenian army there, Armenian failures in attempts to drag us into the war, the Azerbaijani side could well expect an attack and provocation in this area.
    So our helicopter could have been mistaken for an attacking Armenian one. The decision was clearly not made by the commander of the group of forces in Nakhichevan, but by a maximum officer on the spot. To judge and accuse him, you need to know what orders he received, what information was brought to him.
    A tragic accident is quite possible.

    It is unlikely that they will arrange a flogging if an officer or operator acted in accordance with the orders received and the information brought to him (according to the situation), otherwise tomorrow another will not shoot down the Armenian helicopter. If orders were violated and actions were taken in a panic, etc., then there is no other way, or they can cut off their head and send them to Moscow.

    MTN... or a traitor. I do not rule out. I will willingly believe. We had enough traitors in Azerbaijan, both in the army and among the commoners who betrayed in 2016. So someone said to the jackal and who? .............. who could know the route of the convoy? Who knew that the helicopter would fly from there? A very interesting question.

    As for the last questions, there is such a thing called AWACS. Turkey has them, and by the way, not only the Turks receive information from them, but "any" NATO country could also receive it. Turkish AWACS were almost constantly on duty at the border, and they cover the whole of Armenia, of course Nakhichev and plus the western regions of the main territory of Azerbaijan, that is, those where the fighting took place.
    As for the traitors, they were, are and will be in any state and not only in the army. If we consider the betrayal, it could be from our side. It's not a secret for anyone that the peacekeepers, the Ulyanovsk brigade, began to prepare for the transfer on the 6th or 7th, and maybe even earlier, but it was on these dates that information appeared on social networks from the locals. And in general, the resolution of the conflict, and the surrender of the regions, and the appearance, whatever one may say or call names, our, Russian troops, in Azerbaijan, etc., etc., did not suit many, so that betrayal could be even in our army, not only in yours. I still don't understand the need to cover and escort our convoy with a helicopter, especially one, etc. But the version with betrayal is complicated, to discuss it without reason without having information, but it is not there and it is unlikely that we will get it. The leadership of our country, your country, the leadership of Turkey, I think either already know all the details and nuances, or they are about to know.

    In any case, your soldier fired a missile and in any case your army shot down our helicopter, and your side is responsible for this. You admitted responsibility, made an apology, pay compensation. Men cannot be returned, grief, condolences to their families, but this is their profession, they are not trolleybus drivers, and there are many civilians where every day there is a risk. there's nothing you can do about it.
    Well, the shot down helicopter, of course, was a blow in the gut to your president, the hooking of your army, most likely, is not advertised, but because of the helicopter you became more accommodating, and as you see, you gave Red Bazar and Martuni, since their release was not announced they remained in the structure of Karabakh, now controlled by our army.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 10 November 2020 21: 10
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    Quote: Observer2014
    Well done Aliev hi It’s a no brainer that the Azerbaijani army is full of sick victories ready to fight to the last. They wanted to spoil.

    And what a fine fellow? He probably howled and climbed up the wall ... His army was successfully advancing, and then there was such a setup for him. Three more days there and not only would I have staked out more territory for myself, but all the Armenians of Karabakh would have fled. Then only the withdrawal of the Armenians' troops and no smut, and then consider losing part of the sovereignty twice - and Karabakh still does not control, plus foreign troops on its territory. Look how he will turn around if Arayik returns to Stepanakert tomorrow and gathers the "Artsakh government" ... We cannot stop Arayik from letting go, he is Karabakh, and they can remove the "meeting" even at his house. A couple of such publications and Aliyev will be sad ...
  • iouris
    iouris 10 November 2020 21: 44
    -2
    Erdogan is the "elder brother" and he began to create his own Turan from Russia. "One people". First, the military must obey the Turks, then they are accused of shooting down a Russian helicopter in the airspace of Armenia. Before you had to think. Where the needle goes, there is the thread.
  • svoit
    svoit 10 November 2020 23: 33
    -1
    Quote: vavilon
    I'm sorry you didn't see it and won't see it again

    The degree of protection of the wall called the USSR should not be exaggerated either, even those who were fed by the same Palestinians spat on it - the same Palestinians captured diplomats in Beirut, killed one, the rest were saved, and Taiwan kept our sailors in captivity for more than a year, and some 35 years
  • flicker
    flicker 10 November 2020 23: 58
    0
    a Russian Mi-24 helicopter was shot down in the airspace of the Republic of Armenia.
    Our helicopter was shot down, two of our pilots were killed.
    ---
    Although, in fact, they were beating Aliyev. And they beat for the readiness to sign the Agreement without Turkey's participation.
    Those. the Turks beat Aliyev, thereby bringing the Azerbaijani (which is flatteringly called brotherly) people to the slaughter. Aid for a penny (which Azerbaijan generously paid), and the damage for Azerbaijan would be fatal.

    And this is despite the fact that Azerbaijan has extended the Baku-Jaykhan oil pipeline, which pretty much replenishes Turkey's treasury.

    So believe these Turks, in whose culture it is justified to kill a brother.
  • fif21
    fif21 11 November 2020 08: 41
    +1
    There is no question about the professionalism of the Azerbaijani military. After studying the capture of Shushi, my opinion about them changed for the better. And the recognition of the strike on the Russian plane added respect. hi
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 11 November 2020 10: 04
    +1
    Pancake. Here I am never a military man. But for some reason I understand that at night the ownership of the helicopter cannot be determined at all. And here is a convoy under the cover of a helicopter. Which of the opposing sides was informed about the movement of the Russian convoy? Why the hell did they even go at night? After all, it really looks like a dumb set-up.
  • Seal
    Seal 11 November 2020 11: 52
    0
    Quote: gurzuf
    And yes, did Azerbaijan declare war on Armenia in order to shoot down their LA on the territory of Armenia? In any case, this shot is a declaration of war on the Russian Federation.
    In fact, since September 27, Armenia has already shelled the territory of Azerbaijan several times. Both from their own territory, and after visiting the territory of the Azerbaijani regions occupied by Armenia.
    Armenian armed forces fired at the second largest city of Azerbaijan - Ganja, the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan said on Facebook. "The city of Ganja came under fire from the territory of the Berd region of Armenia," the ministry said.

    Azerbaijan responded already struck his blows on the territory of Armenia.
    BAKU, October 14 - RIA Novosti. The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan stated that its Armed Forces attacked the territory of Armenia and destroyed missile systems.
    According to the ministry, last night the Armenian military deployed several operational-tactical ballistic missile complexes near the border with the Kelbajar region, which were aimed at civilians and infrastructure in Ganja, Mingachevir and other Azerbaijani cities.
    The Azerbaijani army "took preventive measures" to prevent a missile strike, the Defense Ministry added.

    So that territories already fired at both.
    And what should the Azerbaijanis have thought when they saw a fighting crocodile rushing towards them at a low altitude at night? What do Armenians transport peaches on it?
  • Radikal
    Radikal 12 November 2020 02: 07
    +1
    It is assumed that some high-ranking military personnel of Azerbaijan may lose their posts due to the strike on the Russian Mi-24
    In fact, the turntables work in links, although it can be different. Nevertheless, if the site of the defeat of our turntable was established, who came to the rescue? The MO is silent, so the jamb is specific. Okay, we'll find out anyway. sad
  • Peter rybak
    Peter rybak 12 November 2020 08: 21
    -1
    In this regard, assumptions have been made that the Azerbaijani authorities, following the results of the investigation (and Baku, judging by the promptness of yesterday's confession, knows perfectly well who struck the blow) will make personnel decisions ...

    Damn, I wrote the same thing a couple of days ago. Almost word for word.
    He said it was a setup. Aliyev was not at all aware of this helicopter.
    Its chiefs defiled the scouts who used MANPADS from the territory of Nakhichevan. And serious heads will fly.
    Aliyev was simply called and told, take it upon yourself. We already have peacekeepers on the way. The helicopter served them. Take it upon yourself, otherwise the peacekeepers will turn into warmakers.
    And me 47 minuses like a bush.