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Former German Ambassador to Russia: Russia is a powerful power in military terms, but not at all economically

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Former German ambassador to the Russian Federation, Rudiger von Fritsch, is critical of the leadership of our country and its policy, while feeling sincere sympathy for Russia and its citizens. And this positive attitude cannot be shaken by anything.


The ex-ambassador said this in an interview with the German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung, in which he recalled his experience of working in Russia.

Von Fritsch's main point is that Russia and Germany need each other and must cooperate. It is precisely this that can be traced in the book "The Way of Russia", written by him after his retirement. Before that, for five years, from 2014 to 2019, he served as the German ambassador to Moscow.

Von Fritsch believes that the root of today's problems in relations between the West and Russia is that we have different assessments of the events that happened in the world after 1989. In the West, according to the diplomat, they perceived the collapse of the USSR and the socialist camp as a chance for the Baltic states, Ukraine, Poland, other former Soviet republics and socialist countries to go their own way. In Russia, these events are assessed as a huge catastrophe that led to the collapse of the great empire, the last on the planet.

The ex-ambassador believes that Russia and Germany should go for rapprochement, using all the opportunities for this, all the existing bridges that are outside the confrontation zone. These are culture, science, education, trade and much more. According to the former diplomat, Germany should understand that Russia is a magnificent country, in a difficult stories which the Germans played a significant role.

On the other hand, von Fritsch notes that the economic potential of our country is very poorly revealed. According to him, Russia is a powerful power militarily, but not at all economically.

Russia is a great military power with little impressive economy. It is the only country on Earth that can independently supply itself with any raw material. But its gross domestic product is equal to that of New York State. And this is a tragedy.

He drew attention to the trade balance between Russia and China, in which 90 percent of Chinese exports to Russia are finished products, and 90 percent of Russian exports to China are raw materials. The former diplomat does not consider such a bias to be beneficial for our country. The ex-ambassador thinks that Moscow should look for an equal economic partner that Western Europe could become. After all, she, like Russia, should also stop depending on Chinese manufacturers.

Von Fritsch recalls that, having received the post of ambassador to Russia, he traveled to our country with deep sympathy for it. And after five years in Moscow, this feeling became even stronger.
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  1. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 10 November 2020 13: 03
    21
    So more sanctions, you will not see it yet.
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 10 November 2020 13: 10
      19
      This German contradicts himself. So what is the question, let's develop economic cooperation, in particular, we will finally open Nord Stream 2. What is the problem with Germany? Overseas owners do not allow? recourse Oh yes, the completely former ambassador almost forgot that Germany is de facto still an occupied country with fake sovereignty! Here for this country and you need to be strong militarily! As for the Russian economy, it’s hard to disagree with a German. There is something to work on.
      1. Leeds
        Leeds 10 November 2020 13: 14
        17
        Quote: Proxima
        This German contradicts himself. So what is the question, let's develop the economy, in particular, we will finally open Nord Stream 2. What is the problem with Germany? Overseas owners do not allow? Oh yes, the completely former ambassador almost forgot that Germany is de facto still an occupied country with sham sovereignty!

        He is not the German Chancellor or the Bundestag, but simply a former ambassador with his own opinion, who, unlike many, understands the issue, on the merits of which he gives comments.
        1. x.andvlad
          x.andvlad 10 November 2020 13: 43
          +8
          In the West, according to the diplomat, they perceived the collapse of the USSR and the socialist camp as a chance for the Baltic states, Ukraine, Poland, other former Soviet republics and socialist countries to go their own way.
          To go "your own way" is to dance to the American Russophobic tune? If Germany, with her economy, cannot go on her own way, what can we say about the little dwarfs.
          1. krot
            krot 10 November 2020 17: 34
            -3
            Former German Ambassador to Russia: Russia is a powerful power in military terms, but not at all economically

            Isn't the ambassador hinting that it's time for us to take some money from Germany at the expense of our military might, and even from someone who arises strongly?
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 10 November 2020 22: 16
              -4
              IMHO, in terms of GDP by PPP, Russia is in 6th place, Germany is in 5th.
              We recently overtook Britain.
              The ambassador has something wrong with the numbers. He quotes the wrong training manual.
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 11 November 2020 19: 19
                0
                Quote: Alex777
                We recently overtook Britain.


                By PPP, perhaps. Britain, by the way, has a territory the size of Belarus, and 2.5 times less in terms of population.
        2. the Saint
          the Saint 10 November 2020 13: 58
          -4
          Quote: Leeds
          but simply a former ambassador with his own opinion, who, unlike many, understands the issue, on the merits of which he gives comments.

          "Let them make the washing machine first."
          German experts did not believe in Putin's new weapon. Experts from the German Federal Academy for Security Policy (Bundesakademie für Sicherheitspolitik) prepared a corresponding working note, not believing in Russian successes in the development of new weapons systems, announced by the Russian President in his message to the Federal Assembly.
          The Germans do not believe that people who cannot make a normal car, home appliances or electronics can make normal weapons.
          1. kieferandreas
            kieferandreas 10 November 2020 14: 52
            -2
            so they did everything until they locked it up, and V2 rockets and washing machines and cars and tanks. And now they are sitting under muzzled "mattress covers" and the chancellor has officially taken an oath to defend the interests of Germany, but how is this done?
            if you want to save your Germany, then do what is beneficial to us, because do not forget we (striped) are still here with our army and other vassals, here the chancellor is spinning how to save the country by pleasing "X" amers.
            1. the Saint
              the Saint 10 November 2020 15: 31
              -5
              Quote: kieferandreas
              under the "mattress" .... we (striped)

              Something you don't like the flag? And the ROA's own "Vlasov" banner is quite nothing?
              1. kieferandreas
                kieferandreas 10 November 2020 21: 52
                -1
                My completely red banner with a gold star.
                And yours, well, it's your own fault.
                1. the Saint
                  the Saint 11 November 2020 09: 05
                  -1
                  Quote: kieferandreas
                  My completely red banner with a gold star.

                  Chinese, eh? Well, very far-sighted and perspicacious. laughing
                  1. kieferandreas
                    kieferandreas 20 November 2020 12: 01
                    0
                    the Chinese have several stars there. usually the asterisk was positioned over the sickle and hammer.
        3. Looking for
          Looking for 10 November 2020 17: 02
          0
          You wrote it absolutely right.
      2. Machito
        Machito 10 November 2020 13: 22
        0
        Quote: Proxima
        This German contradicts himself. So what is the question, let's develop the economy, in particular, we will finally open Nord Stream 2. What is the problem with Germany? Overseas owners do not allow? recourse Oh yes, the completely former ambassador almost forgot that Germany is de facto still an occupied country with fake sovereignty! Here for this country and you need to be strong militarily! As for the Russian economy, it’s hard to disagree with a German. There is something to work on.

        The ambassador generally carries a blizzard that he smoked something wrong.
        Economically weak, sanctioned Russia is a powerful military power.
        Is the collapse of the USSR a chance for the republics? Yeah, the peoples of all the republics just got rich.
        Or maybe the separation of Bavaria, Saxony and other lands from the FRG is a chance for these territories and peoples?
        I already got this schizophrenic double-standard nonsense from supposedly friends of Russia.
        Take care of Ramstein and your gold in the USA.
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 10 November 2020 13: 50
          -11 qualifying.
          Yeah, the peoples of all the republics just got rich.

          Well, the Baltic states, at least, are not in line for Yugoslavian shoes .. and there are more sausages on the shelves than in the Union ..
          You just have to be able to look the truth in the eyes ..
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 10 November 2020 14: 25
            +6
            Quote: Roman070280
            behind Yugoslavian shoes


            What year are you writing from now?
            1. Roman070280
              Roman070280 10 November 2020 14: 31
              -10 qualifying.
              What's wrong with the year ??) Or did the Balts live poorer?
              Yes, and "going your own way" is still not about wealth .. He wanted to live like in the West .. It's a fact !! This is where the choice of your path lies ..
              1. sergo1914
                sergo1914 10 November 2020 14: 48
                +1
                Quote: Roman070280
                What's wrong with the year ??) Or did the Balts live poorer?
                Yes, and "going your own way" is still not about wealth .. He wanted to live like in the West .. It's a fact !! This is where the choice of your path lies ..


                Yugoslavia. She's gone. Since 2003. So I ask.
                1. the Saint
                  the Saint 10 November 2020 15: 49
                  -11 qualifying.
                  The meaning of the message is clear. In the ex-Soviet Baltic, citizens and non-citizens do not look for food in store dumps, in contrast to the full legal successor of the USSR
                  where it is commonplace.
                  1. Looking for
                    Looking for 10 November 2020 17: 09
                    +1
                    I see a lot of you like this on the resource - 20 years of registration. What is a "new" release of courses for "non-profit" trolls ?.
                    1. the Saint
                      the Saint 10 November 2020 18: 08
                      -6
                      Quote: Seeker
                      I see a lot of you like this on the resource - 20 years of registration. What is a "new" release of courses for "non-profit" trolls ?.

                      I registered here many years ago for the first time, long before "krymnash". Since then, the moderators have banned me about three times and forever at the request of the "army community", known for its intolerance to dissent, adequacy and sanity. wassat
                  2. MrTulandra
                    MrTulandra 10 November 2020 23: 17
                    -1
                    Quote: el Santo
                    In the ex-Soviet Baltic, citizens and non-citizens do not look for food in store dumps

                    el Santo, you either don't know what you're talking about ....
                    Likewise, the poor and homeless of all ages, genders and ethnicities gather in the backyards of large stores, stocking up on expired semi-finished products for future use. Each "community" has its homes and cronies, even the rights to urns with cigarette butts are declared, everything is decorous, peaceful and fun. People! But for the "container-press" they can start a fight, a container (any can / bottle of 10 cents)! Someone constantly looks at the trash cans at bus stops - containers! At the Salvation Army checkpoints there is a queue for free soup, and when boxes of green bread and rotten vegetables are put out in the yard - screeching and squeaking, everyone wants to grab a fresher piece. "Orphans" in cars have also got into the habit of filling the trunk of chickens with bread in the country to feed them. There are plenty of vagabonds and disadvantaged people. Alcoholism is flourishing. On certain routes, buses stink - it hurts your eyes. They will not show on TV, you need to know where they will be channeled.
                    1. the Saint
                      the Saint 11 November 2020 09: 02
                      -3
                      Let's just say that the standard of living in the Baltic countries, which do not have oil, gas, timber ... and, most importantly, Putin, with his corruption and lack of democracy, is significantly higher than in Russia. And it's just silly to deny it. In terms of quality of life, the same Estonia ranks 10th in the world ranking, ahead of many European countries and the United States.
                      1. prior
                        prior 11 November 2020 10: 51
                        0
                        In the Baltic States, not the standard of living, but the level of maintenance.
                        Russian oligarchs keep their "girls" unlike Estonia ...
                        So that's not an indicator
                      2. the Saint
                        the Saint 11 November 2020 19: 41
                        -2
                        Quote: prior
                        In the Baltic States, not the standard of living, but the level of maintenance.
                        Russian oligarchs keep their "girls" unlike Estonia ...
                        So that's not an indicator

                        Would any of the credited Russians, who are looking for food in the trash heaps, buy overdue from Caucasians and throw their hungry children out of the windows, then jump on their own, would refuse such a worthy "content" as Estonians?
                    2. MrTulandra
                      MrTulandra 11 November 2020 19: 11
                      0
                      Quote: el Santo
                      the standard of living in the Baltic countries, which do not have oil, gas, timber ... and, most importantly, Putin with his corruption and lack of democracy, Estonia is ranked 10th in the world ranking

                      el Santo, no need to talk about the world rankings and democracy in Estonia. I was born in Tallinn, my parents are from Tallinn, my grandparents are buried in Pärnu.
                      A short sketch about democracy.
                      My grandfather is a dispossessed Ukrainian from Yekaterinoslav province. Inhuman "soviets" took "everything" from him, but left an insignificant trifle - a house, a garden-garden, geese-pigs and other things useful for re-educating an evil fist.
                      My grandmother is a village resident, Shcherbinovsky district, Kuban. Your own farm, apricot bargarons, lambs, as it should be ...
                      After the war, my grandfather ordered from Kronstadt to the Soviet Baltic. And the grandmother, responding to the call of the party and the people, as part of young volunteers there ...
                      They left their ancestral home forever, not for the sake of profit, "exchanged" mulberries for wasteland and reeds. We worked honestly for 40 years and did not ask for anything in return. Their reward and capital was an apartment in a wooden house raised from the ruins. To mine: "With your orders, certificates and non-healing fragmentation ... Yes, they will bring them into the new building on their hands!" - "There is a roof, and let the young people get a new building," answered the grandfather.
                      Grandfather did not live to see the triumph of democracy. And the grandmother was lucky! They issued an Ausweis with the beautiful word "Alien", for the defeat of rights came justice-restitution. They took away housing in favor of a citizen of Canada, the grandson of a prehistoric emigrant. What? The republic is small, everything is related, the officials also have relatives over the hill. They came and said: "You are old, so be it, live. Pay tanga in time for the rent, otherwise ...". So, "not a stake, not a yard" died, and all the savings: the medal "Veteran of Labor of the USSR", military awards and the party card of the grandfather, and a bundle of state loan bonds. Such stories are countless. The grandmother thanked V.V. Putin to the grave, he gave the widows of veterans an increase in their pension.
                      Recently we went to visit the graves, saw the house taken away from the people .. PANCAKE! It looks worse than it looked after the war, before overhaul! These titular patriots from Canada did not invest a dime, they just flocked to rob the disenfranchised Soviet people.
                      I remember how for all sorts of "Biden and McCains" they hastily put together tribunes in the squares, and they shouted to the screeching of the "superior race": "Values! America is with you! Moscow will not rock the boat!" And Moscow did not rock the boat .. Until now, the ear cuts "Russians, you know ...". That's it. Sorry to deviate from "Estonia's victory in the world well-being ranking". Memories, damn them ..
                      Give "Andrey" over the mine harbor! Hooray ! hi
                    3. the Saint
                      the Saint 11 November 2020 19: 44
                      -2
                      Quote: MrTulandra
                      no need about world ratings and democracy in Estonia. I was born in Tallinn, my parents are from Tallinn, my grandparents are buried in Pärnu.

                      No need, daughter of a Tallinn officer, to tell me about migrants and occupiers who cannot be knocked out of the EU back to Russia with a stick.
              2. Ugochaves
                Ugochaves 11 November 2020 04: 09
                0
                You post photos from the early 90s. Do you want to throw in fresh photos from prosperous Europe or from the beacon of US democracy? But you yourself, in general, you will find them ...
                1. the Saint
                  the Saint 11 November 2020 19: 48
                  -1
                  Quote: UgoChaves
                  You post photos from the early 90s. Throw in fresh photos for you

                  Do you want to throw in completely fresh photos from the Pyaterochnaya garbage dump next to my house, where whole families with children come to get food waste, like to a fair?
                  There are a lot of notes in the Russian media about this modern garbage life and record debt on overdue loans.
      3. Proxima
        Proxima 10 November 2020 14: 45
        +6
        Quote: Roman070280
        Yeah, the peoples of all the republics just got rich.

        Well, the Baltics, at least, are not in line for Yugoslavian shoes.. and there are more sausages on the shelves than in the Soviet Union ..
        You just have to be able to look the truth in the eyes ..

        This is a discussion platform! belay The time machine is working here! good drinks It feels like you've been broadcasting to us since the 80s! You are probably the only one in the world who else bought for such cheap bullshit as "full counters"! Congratulations! drinks And you get a super prize - Yugoslavian shoes !! love
      4. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 10 November 2020 15: 03
        -2
        When the Union did not stand, when "in occupation" there was a rolling ball.
      5. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 10 November 2020 15: 03
        0
        Quote: Roman070280
        Yeah, the peoples of all the republics just got rich.

        Well, the Baltic states, at least, are not in line for Yugoslavian shoes .. and there are more sausages on the shelves than in the Union ..
        You just need to be able to face the truth..

        To be honest, nowadays no one is standing in line for Yugoslavian shoes. As for the measure of your happiness, namely sausage, in any country there are now 100 varieties of it on the shelves. The only trick is that this sausage does not smell like sausage. If you take the Baltics, which you constantly use as an example, then the shoes presented there on the shelves and most of the sausages are not produced in the Baltics itself. In general, little is produced there, since they ruined everything they had for the sake of the European market.
      6. Alexander I
        Alexander I 10 November 2020 15: 11
        0
        The sausage has really grown, only there will soon be no one to eat it. Although the real plus is also not small, it is freedom of movement (if, under the pretext of the crown, and this is not deprived).
    2. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 10 November 2020 14: 43
      0
      Ramstein
      and he is here from what side?
      1. sgapich
        sgapich 10 November 2020 18: 23
        +2
        Quote: Petro_tut
        and he is here from what side?

        The airbase there is Ramstein Air Base and, at the same time, the headquarters of the United States Air Forces in Europe (USAFE). hi
  2. Invoce
    Invoce 10 November 2020 13: 23
    +3
    Von Fritsch's main point is that Russia and Germany need each other and must cooperate.

    The ex-ambassador believes that Russia and Germany should go for rapprochement, using all the opportunities for this, all the existing bridges that are outside the confrontation zone. These are culture, science, education, trade and much more. According to the former diplomat, Germany should understand that Russia is a magnificent country, in whose difficult history the Germans played a significant role.

    If this happens, then the hegemony of the impudent Saxons will come KAPETS. The entire history of relations between Russia and Germany has always been spoiled and fouled by the British. 1 world war, 2 world ... as soon as relations between states are being established, there is an opportunity to spoil them (bring the Fuhrer to power, drag Russia into the war on the side of the Entente ...)
    what about the tragedy
    "Russia is a great military power with little impressive economy... It is the only country on Earth that can independently supply itself with any raw material. But its gross domestic product is equal to that of New York State... And this is a tragedy.

    Do not forget that the GDP of the states is inflated, based on the value of shares on the stock exchange, which does not reflect the actual value of goods and services. Example? Apple value. It costs more than the GDP of the Russian Federation. !!!! With infrastructure, resources, etc. RAVE!
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 10 November 2020 13: 53
      -6
      Apple value. It costs more than the GDP of the Russian Federation. !!!! With infrastructure, resources, etc. RAVE!

      And what is nonsense ??) How much it costs, so much it costs ..
      Or if you don't like it, then it's delusional right away ..))
      You can go and try to buy something .. and make sure ..

      PS .. so gasoline is not worth 45 rubles per liter .. also nonsense .. But we pay ..))
  3. NEXUS
    NEXUS 10 November 2020 13: 25
    0
    Quote: Proxima
    Germany is still a de facto occupied country with sham sovereignty!

    And Russia with what sovereignty, dear? So that it dawns on you that we are no better than Germany, I will explain to you ... the sovereignty of a state begins with the sovereignty of its citizens. You feel sovereign in your own state, taking into account social networks (whose servers are not in the Russian Federation at all), banks that draw us rates and interest at the filing of the IMF (SberBank is NOT a state structure and does not obey the government of the Russian Federation), the Constitution of the Russian Federation, which is written not at all by the citizens of Russia, because education was written in the USA, the textbooks for which were also written under the dictation of the Soros Foundation?
    Is our state sovereign? And what if tomorrow, Western pharmacological concerns stop selling us drugs that are not stupidly produced in our country (and there are sooo many of them)? Or if Western corporations stop supplying us with microelectronic products, which we also do not produce for the most part?
    So what kind of sovereignty of our country are you talking about with such fervor? Why are we better than Germany?
    Have you ever asked yourself a question - why, despite the fact that in England there is neither gas, nor oil, nor in abundance of other natural resources, the pound, at the same time, is the hardest currency in the world for a hundred years already? And do not care about the dollar, it horse races, exchanges, etc. ...
    The sovereignty of the state, respected one, is based on INDEPENDENCE from external factors and conjunctures, for if the state is sovereign, then it is able to produce everything for its citizens and at the same time ensure security, educational base and medical protection. So what is there about our sovereignty then?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 10 November 2020 13: 28
      -4
      Quote: NEXUS
      So what is there about our sovereignty then?

      good Do not add do not add ..
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 10 November 2020 13: 54
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: NEXUS
        So what is there about our sovereignty then?

        good Do not add do not add ..

        With your permission and the Nexus, I will add. We were taught in the Soviet school about the main features of state sovereignty. The most important feature is the ability of the state to conduct an independent foreign policy, including economic. That is, the state must be able to conduct economic cooperation with any state with which it wants (if there is a counter interest in another state, of course). And they cited China as an example during the Opium Wars. De jure, the Celestial Empire was a sovereign state, de facto - a colony of the British. If you follow your logic, what if if the Nazis occupied our country and for some reason would raise education, medicine, living standards in the occupied territories, then we would be sovereign? And there can be many reasons, for example, that this conquered population needs to be turned into an outpost to fight another state. Don't you think that this draws from the series "would drink German beer and eat sausages"?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 10 November 2020 13: 57
          -4
          Quote: Proxima
          The most important feature is the ability of the state to conduct an independent foreign policy, including an economic one.

          That is why I said about SberBank, which is subject only to the IMF! So what kind of independence are we talking about if economically we are de facto COLONY? And if you call things by their proper names, then the occupied territory.
          1. Alexander I
            Alexander I 10 November 2020 15: 37
            0
            Sberbank is a large commercial organization with external relations, where such a concept is profitable or not, so what do you want from their owners. But there are other banks that do not care about the external circuit and they work inside the country without regard to possible pressure from outside. Now Russia does not have powerful political influence, therefore it cannot act without looking back, but this does not determine sovereignty.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 November 2020 16: 01
              -2
              Quote: AlexanderI
              But there are other banks that do not care about the outer contour

              Do not care, because Sberbank determines the economic policy and doctrine for ALL banks in the Russian Federation.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 10 November 2020 18: 31
                -1
                "Sberbank defines economic policy and doctrine for ALL banks in the Russian Federation." This is how? You probably confused Sberbank with the Central Bank.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 10 November 2020 19: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  "Sberbank defines economic policy and doctrine for ALL banks in the Russian Federation." This is how? You probably confused Sberbank with the Central Bank.

                  Well, let's talk about the Central Bank ... and so ..
                  Article 2. The authorized capital and other property of the Bank of Russia are federal property. In accordance with the goals and in the manner established by this Federal Law, the Bank of Russia exercises authority to possess, use and dispose of the property of the Bank of Russia, including the Bank of Russia gold and currency reserves. Withdrawal and encumbrance of obligations of the specified property without the consent of the Bank of Russia are not allowed, unless otherwise provided by federal law. The state is not liable for the obligations of the Bank of Russia, and the Bank of Russia for the obligations of the state, if they have not assumed such obligations or unless otherwise provided by federal laws. The Bank of Russia carries out its expenses from its own income.

                  Doesn't hurt your eyes, no? ...
                  The law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, it would seem, makes it clear everything about the ownership of the Central Bank. In addition, the Duma appoints the Chairman of the Bank and members of the Board of Directors according to the representation of the President. And here it is all right. What is alarming? And practically the same independence from the Government of the Russian Federation that the FRS has. Rather, there is an inverse relationship - the Government of the Russian Federation depends in its activities on the policy of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. The law is clearly copied from similar US legislation on the Federal Reserve, with some important exceptions, which I will discuss later. Now let's pay attention to the phrase immediately after the ownership of the property is established: the state is not liable for the obligations of the bank, the bank for the obligations of the state ... How's that? Does the property belong to the state and with this property the state cannot answer for its obligations?

                  In other words, the state can become bankrupt even with a huge gold and foreign exchange reserve. Gold reserves are untouchable! Gold reserves are, but not about our honor. This is what this article is about..

                  Well, about the property, building, furniture - these are trifles. They belong to the state, take it easy. The statutory fund of 3 billion rubles is the same. When it comes to hundreds of billions of dollars, such amounts are not taken into account. So, we can state that the law on the Central Bank is contradictory in its essence. Formally being a federal property, the Central Bank, however, does not bear any obligations in relation to the state. And if suddenly the state makes some demands on him, then:
                  Article 6. The Bank of Russia has the right to file lawsuits in courts in the manner determined by the legislation of the Russian Federation. The Bank of Russia has the right to apply for protection of its interests to international courts, courts of foreign states and arbitration courts.

                  Further..
                  Article 22. The Bank of Russia is not entitled to provide loans to the Government of the Russian Federation to finance the federal budget deficit, to buy government securities at their initial placement, except as provided for by the federal law on the federal budget. The Bank of Russia is not entitled to provide loans to finance budget deficits of state extra-budgetary funds, budgets of constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local budgets.

                  What do we have in Russia? A completely different system. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation does not have the right to lend to the Government of Russia under any circumstances and, accordingly, this mechanism for introducing money into the economy is turned off altogether according to the current law. How are rubles introduced into circulation? Through the purchase of foreign currency, that is, the same dollars. How many dollars will the Central Bank put in its piggy bank for so much it will print rubles and put them into circulation. All this happens through the currency exchange. As a result, the ruble supply is directly linked to the dollar supply. We can assume that rubles are the same dollars that "lie" in the Central Bank's gold reserves, but repainted in different colors and the numbers on them stand with a certain coefficient. This coefficient changes slightly over time, but not much. By law, again, the Central Bank is simply obliged to maintain a constant ruble exchange rate. In relation to the dollar, of course. Thus, our financial system becomes just a kind of regional branch of the Federal Reserve System.

                  That is, in fact, even the RUBLE does not belong to the Russian Federation. And all of the above says that our country is only a COLONY.
                  A curtain.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 10 November 2020 20: 11
                    +3
                    And then we read thoughtfully ...
                    To circumvent the problem of "independence from the state" of the Central Bank and its gold reserves under the government, a Stabilization Fund was created. However, its figures were also able to get away from finance - they were first transformed into currency, and then into US “securities”. Naturally, it turned into tsiferki again on the Main Banking Computer somewhere in the World Bank. Which, on occasion, you can "freeze". Interestingly, in the draft government decree "on the procedure for investing the Stabilization Fund", the Ministry of Finance proposed that the Fund's funds could be invested in the securities of "the governments of Austria, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Portugal. , Spain, UK and USA ”. It is not even the meaning of the resolution that is interesting here, but the order of the countries. Countries are listed in alphabetical order, not Russian, but ... English. Accordingly, the draft resolution was originally written in English, and the Ministry of Finance issued only a translation to Fradkov for signature. The interpreter of the Ministry of Finance did not begin to rearrange the countries in the order of the Russian alphabet. Accordingly, the decree itself signed by Fradkov on April 21 of this year contains quite transparent evidence - the decree was clearly not prepared by the Ministry of Finance. The Ministry of Finance has only a not very smart translator. The text of the resolution was widely quoted by the press, and traces of it, along with the translator's error, are also on the website of the Ministry of Finance

                    Further..
                    Incidentally, the funds of the Stabilization Fund will be placed in the West under the guise of funds from the Central Bank of Russia. Financiers are afraid that the accounts of the government of the Russian Federation may be arrested (there have already been cases of attempts to arrest property of the Russian Federation - ships, planes ...). But the accounts of the Central Bank seem to be unable to. Since the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is no longer a state structure and it cannot bear responsibility for the state. Purely legally. Like this. Maybe you just don't have such accounts abroad? In such an astronomical volume? Or do you have a counter-blackmail lever at hand? There are several more important points in the law on the Central Bank, indicating that this organization has a very indirect relationship to the state. First of all, this is an article about profit. The Central Bank, if you follow the logic of the law on it, is a commercial bank. He has a profit, which is formed from all forms of his activity, including seignorage - profit from the direct emission of money. This profit is not subject to state control and does not go to the state budget. It was this fact that was used in court materials about the Fed as evidence of its private nature. Can this fact be used in relation to the Central Bank? Naturally.

                    Continuing the theme of the Central Bank. One can doubt that the Central Bank is generally a state structure. The main reason is its independence from state authorities. And this is legally enshrined in the law on the Central Bank in the second article, which says that the Central Bank is not responsible for the state's debts. For lawyers of any country, this means the complete independence of this body from the state. For property relations in this matter are decisive. The Central Bank does not belong to the state, since the state cannot dispose of the property of the Central Bank.

                    To make it clear to everyone, I will clarify - the Central Bank's gold and foreign exchange reserves are out of the reach of state authorities.

                    Do you still think that the Russian financial system and its economy are really Russian and that all financial bodies and the Sberbank and the Central Bank are subordinate to the Government of the Russian Federation?
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 10 November 2020 14: 02
          +1
          Quote: Proxima
          if the Nazis occupied our country and for some reason would raise education, medicine, living standards in the occupied territories, then we would be sovereign?

          And where is the logic ... not a good example. The Nazis did not plan to raise the economy, the standard of living ... They are Nazis ..
          You pulled in a very strange way
          Don't you think that this draws from the series "would drink German beer and eat sausages"?
          and everything was collected in a heap.
          It is difficult to argue with Andrey (Nexus), without the ability to provide its own population with everything necessary, what kind of sovereignty can be? If we are dependent on the West in almost all spheres? Even our banks are not in Crimea, on our territory, here is a vivid confirmation.
        3. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 10 November 2020 14: 46
          0
          the conquered population must be turned into an outpost to fight another state.

          The outpost is now Poland, and Germany can afford economic cooperation (in theory)
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 10 November 2020 13: 45
      -3
      Quote: NEXUS
      The sovereignty of the state, respected stands on INDEPENDENCE from external factors and conjunctures

      what Those. sovereign states do not exist in the world now?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 10 November 2020 13: 46
        0
        Quote: Serg65
        Those. sovereign states do not exist in the world now?

        Exactly. There is only the sovereignty of individual, very "fat" citizens and nothing more. No state in the world is sovereign. For sovereignty is the absolute, closest to which was the USSR. But even he was not completely sovereign.
        You may not agree with this, but facts are stubborn things.
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 10 November 2020 14: 11
          +4
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: Serg65
          Those. sovereign states do not exist in the world now?

          That's right ... For sovereignty is the absolute, the closest to which was the USSR. But even he was not completely sovereign.

          Nexus, you've already done it, nowhere else! belay Well, tell us to sinners, which states of the USSR during Stalin's time, licked ass? You are confusing two different concepts -sovereignty and autarky! A small refined example, two independent states live in economic symbiosis, that is, they cannot exist without each other. They are not sovereign, are they each other's colony? belay
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 10 November 2020 14: 15
            -7
            Quote: Proxima
            Nexus, you have already done it, nowhere else! Well, tell us to sinners, which states of the USSR during Stalin's time, licked ass?

            Firstly, I didn’t say a word about "licking" backsides, dear. Secondly, as an example, lend-lease will suit? Or the USSR then produced everything of its own?
            Quote: Proxima
            that is, they cannot exist without each other.

            I explain for those who are in the tank ... one of the main postulates of the independence of the state is its own hard currency and its own economic STATE system, subordinate to the government of this state. Symbiosis, partnership, etc., it is good when we ourselves determine our economic policy both domestically and in the international arena.
            Did I explain it to you quite intelligibly? And do not pull the donkey by the ears, dear.
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 10 November 2020 14: 15
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          You may not agree with this, but facts are stubborn things.

          Well, this is how to measure sovereignty ... for example, the same Germany, dad stamped his foot and Germany shied away from SP-2 like the devil from incense, Russia took the Crimea, dad stamped his foot, they did not understand, dad was already dancing square dance with his legs, still not understand! Well, if measured in pills, the need will be secured and pills will no longer be a factor of sovereignty.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 10 November 2020 14: 22
            -1
            Quote: Serg65
            Russia took Crimea, dad stamped his foot,

            And dad, as you said, was not particularly concerned about this territorial issue. For both Ukraine and Russia are his father's colonies. And why are these colonies dividing, the owners are deeply purple.
            Here, many are yelling about the sanctions ... they say, and we live and develop under them. Dear, we have not yet been imposed serious sanctions, from which we would squeal and did not impose an embargo, as was the case with Japan before the war. We are so, just a little joke and no more. To collapse our economy, even using the leverage of the IMF, Western dads do not need anything. The ruble is like, I'm sorry, the turd hangs in my pants.
            And what about most of the main types of Russian corporations? Who are the shareholders who have not thought about it? Well, you take a look at the same flagship of our economy, Gazprom. By the way, won't you tell who is in charge of Sberbank?
            1. Proxima
              Proxima 10 November 2020 14: 31
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: Serg65
              Russia took Crimea, dad stamped his foot,

              And dad, as you said, was not particularly concerned about this territorial issue. For both Ukraine and Russia are his father's colonies.

              Andrey, well, again, a discrepancy turns out in your logical hands! request Why, when one of my father's colony tries to take SP-2 to another father's colony, the daddy is very angry ?! am
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 10 November 2020 14: 34
                -1
                Quote: Proxima
                Andrey, well, again, a discrepancy turns out in your logical hands! Why, when one of my father's colony tries to take SP-2 to another father's colony, the daddy is very angry ?!

                Because one subsidiary wants this piece and the other doesn't agree. And dad does not want to give too much money to Gazprom, because there is a danger that Gazprom will cut off and send the fuck to the owners.
            2. Serg65
              Serg65 10 November 2020 14: 35
              +3
              Quote: NEXUS
              Ukraine and Russia are his father's colonies

              Well, let's say, what about Russia and Syria, what about my father's colonies? And if Russia is daddy's colony, why daddy chokes his colony with sanctions ???
              Quote: NEXUS
              To collapse our economy, even using the leverage of the IMF, Western dads do not need anything.

              Well, I partially agree with you on this, on which part ... the sanctions imposed on the USSR were less than modern ones, but the USSR has sunk into summer. The tightening of sanctions, in my opinion, will lead to interesting consequences ... the ruble, as you put it ... from a piece of shit ... will turn into a hard currency in the domestic market by order ... as under Stalin. Those foreign persons whom you mentioned, having lost their capital, will be dumped on their homeland, and circumstances will force us to master and develop our country, as has happened often throughout our history.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 10 November 2020 14: 44
                0
                Quote: Serg65
                then why dad chokes his colony with sanctions ???

                Are you sure these are serious sanctions? laughing Are you serious now?
                Quote: Serg65
                but the USSR has sunk into summer.

                The USSR "collapsed" not because of economic pressure, but because of the betrayal of the party elite. At the same time, de jure, the USSR exists to this day.
                Quote: Serg65
                The tightening of sanctions, in my opinion, will lead to interesting consequences ... the ruble, as you put it ... from a piece of shit ... will turn into hard currency in the domestic market by order ... as under Stalin.

                And on click, like Emelya's with a pike, nothing happens. Our economy today is completely dependent on the West. And there is only one way to break away from it, our economy - revolution and the destruction of all financial levers of influence of the West on us. But ... we went through this and nothing good came of it, considering how much blood it all cost our country.

                Quote: Serg65
                circumstances will force you to master and develop your country, as has happened often throughout our history.

                And our population is quantitatively dimensionless? Or maybe our women do not give birth to children, but sweep caviar, stamping hundreds at a time, citizens of the country?
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 10 November 2020 14: 57
                  -2
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Are you sure these are serious sanctions?

                  Once again, for those on the steam locomotive ... much smaller sanctions caused much bigger problems in the USSR!
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  The USSR "collapsed" not because of economic pressure, but because of the betrayal of the party elite.

                  Yeah, only the prices for food and industrial products climbed up even under Brezhnev ... but yes ... only because of betrayal ...
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Our economy today is completely dependent on the West. And we can break away from it, our economy only one way-revolution and the destruction of all financial levers of influence of the West on us

                  And then ...
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  then we passed and nothing good came of it, considering how much blood it all cost our country.

                  recourse Some kind of split .... or there is no way out ????
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  And our population is quantitatively dimensionless?

                  It is regrettable, but you will have to change your place of residence ... migrate from Nizhny to the village of Zadripanovka ... just like many internal migrants will have to leave Moscow and return to their small homeland ... well, for that to fresh air and to natural products !! !
                  The lack of contraceptives and the shortage of old women will cause a surge in the birth rate .... and again Russian families will have 5-6 children each !!!
                  laughing hi Good luck Andrey, in your difficult business !!!
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 10 November 2020 15: 06
                    0
                    Quote: Serg65
                    . much smaller sanctions caused much bigger problems in the USSR!

                    Are you serious? Oooh ... how everything is neglected ... the USSR, in comparison with the Russian Federation, was, firstly, under much tougher sanctions. The sanctions against the Russian Federation now, in comparison with the sanctions for the USSR, are baby food and a sandbox of a nursery.
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Yeah, only the prices for food and industrial products climbed up even under Brezhnev ... but yes ...

                    And stability is no longer determined by hardness, but by the ability to flexibly respond to impact. In other words, you can break a brick with a hammer, even though it is hard, but the rubber shmat is no longer there. I explain it on your fingers, for those who are on the locomotive. And by the way, prices have not gone up very quickly, as you are trying to tell here.
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Some kind of split .... or there is no way out ????

                    Personally, I do not yet see any government actions to get out of this vicious circle, nor even their desire. All of us have partners, even those who introduce target designations into nuclear missiles in our cities ... yeah ...
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Regrettably, but you will have to change your place of residence ..

                    Have pity on yourself ... yeah ... I'm Russian and very happy to live in Nizhny, and in my historical homeland. But love for the homeland is not determined by sycophancy in front of the country's temporary helmsmen, dear. And I will not go anywhere, since only rats run from the ship.
                  2. Serg65
                    Serg65 11 November 2020 10: 05
                    0
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    The USSR in comparison with the Russian Federation was, firstly, under much tougher sanctions

                    Let's take the post-war period and start bending our fingers ...
                    In 1949, COCOM introduced restrictions on the export of goods and technologies to the USSR, European countries and Japan, among other things, like many American companies, constantly did not comply with these agreements under the pretext of their economic interests.
                    In 1963, Adenauer, under pressure from KOCOM, imposed a ban on the export of large-diameter pipes to the USSR, after 10 years the restrictions were lifted.
                    In 1974, the amendments by Charles Vanik were adopted, abolishing the most favored nation treatment in trade. But back in 1971, David Rockefeller opened a branch of his Chase National Bank in Moscow, and from 74 he put a large device on Vanik's amendments.
                    In 1980, the United States imposed a grain embargo against the USSR, which Argentina was very happy about. The embargo was lifted a year later.
                    In 1981, Reagan introduced sanctions against the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline, to which the Europeans said fiii and continued to cooperate with the USSR as if nothing had happened.
                    In the same 1981, the USA imposed sanctions against Aeroflot, in 1986 the sanctions were lifted.
                    Andrey, can you add something to this?
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    love for the Motherland is not determined by sycophancy in front of the country's temporary helmsmen, dear

                    And no one asks you to sycophantic, the only request is to tell the truth and not to suck the facts out of your finger!
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    And I will not go anywhere, since only rats run from the ship.

                    Andrey, why did you leave Moldova for what reasons?
    3. Roman070280
      Roman070280 10 November 2020 13: 56
      -4
      DPRK ..))
      They depend, of course, on China .. But much less than we depend on the whole world ..
    4. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 10 November 2020 14: 47
      -1

      what Ie sovereign states do not exist in the world now?

      Why, there is, for example, the USA laughing
  4. 16329
    16329 10 November 2020 14: 04
    +2
    Complete crap, especially about "Western corporations producing microelectronics."
    Microelectronics has long been produced and supplied to all companies in China and Southeast Asia.
    No country is autarky today, and it has been happening in the world for a long time, it is called the international division of labor.
    Potentials are always evaluated, from this point of view, Russia is now the most self-sufficient country.
    And for the development of certain sectors of the economy, appropriate conditions should be formed, which are formed by factors of foreign and domestic policy.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 November 2020 14: 08
      +1
      Quote: 16329
      Microelectronics has long been produced and supplied to all companies in China and Southeast Asia.

      It makes no difference whether China produces it or Bangladesh ... it is important that Russia is not able to provide itself in this matter in full, that is, it is dependent, not sovereign.
      Quote: 16329
      Potentials are always evaluated, from this point of view, Russia is now the most self-sufficient country.

      You tell this to Gref ... here he will laugh!
      Quote: 16329
      And for the development of certain sectors of the economy, appropriate conditions should be formed, which are formed by factors of foreign and domestic policy.

      Uh-huh ... in a country where economic policy is determined NOT by the government of the country, but by big uncles from the IMF, you are definitely independent. fellow
      Remind you, dear, whose leverage is this, which is the IMF?
      1. 16329
        16329 10 November 2020 14: 15
        +2
        And here Gref, he has a different job, but about the uncles and aunts from the IMF is not necessary, they do not determine the policy of Russia
        Of course, this factor is taken into account, but no more than that, Russia does not use IMF loans now, but games in a liberal market economy is a tribute to the time, especially since it is all gradually being phased out
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 10 November 2020 14: 25
          0
          Quote: 16329
          And here is Gref, he has another job,

          Well, if you ask such questions, then what to talk about?
          Quote: 16329
          Of course, this factor is taken into account, but nothing more, Russia does not use IMF loans now

          What does the loan have to do with it, dear? THE IMF DETERMINES THE POLICY OF THE Sberbank of the Russian Federation! What the uncles from the IMF say, Gref will do! Not Putin, not you, you do not order him, from the word at all!
          1. 16329
            16329 10 November 2020 14: 31
            0
            Sberbank is one of the Russian banks, by the way, now it is the Sberbank corporation, or whatever it is, it is predominantly owned by the Russian government (52%), so whatever Gref is allowed in the government, he does and will do
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 November 2020 14: 37
              0
              Quote: 16329
              Sberbank is one of the Russian banks

              This is NOT a state bank, but an OJSC that is NOT subordinate to the Russian government. This is spelled out in the Constitution of the country, dear. Read the main law of your country and do not carry such nonsense anymore.
              Quote: 16329
              it is predominantly owned by the Russian government (52%)

              Sure? Where are the real documents confirming these figures? Did Grandma Gref tell you about this?
              And if you really look at who is the shareholder of Sberbank and what is the real percentage of the government?
              1. 16329
                16329 10 November 2020 14: 40
                0
                Check out the numbers on the network, and Sberbank is not an OJSC but a PJSC
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 10 November 2020 14: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: 16329
                  Check out the numbers online,

                  Yes, no question, since you are lazy ...
                  On April 10, 2020, the Bank of Russia sold a controlling stake in Sberbank to the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, and now the structure of Sberbank shareholders is as follows:

                  The Russian government, represented by the RF Ministry of Finance, owns a 50% stake plus one share, that is, the Ministry of Finance owns a 50,0036% stake in Sberbank (but this stake is 52,32% of voting shares, because Sberbank issues both ordinary and preferred shares)
                  non-resident legal entities own 43,50% of the authorized capital
                  private investors own 4,23% of shares
                  Russian legal entities own 2,27%.

                  And so, according to Sberbank, the government has 52% of the shares. And the rest? Especially those almost 48%, which are NOT Russian or are they just stupid on the balance sheet and do not decide anything?
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 10 November 2020 15: 26
              +6
              Quote: 16329
              Sberbank is one of the Russian banks, by the way, now it is the Sberbank corporation,

              Here they will tell you everything about Sberbank ..
        2. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 10 November 2020 14: 49
          +1
          Russia does not use IMF loans now,
          so who will give them to Putin now?
  5. Runoway
    Runoway 10 November 2020 14: 18
    +8
    That's right, the 13th and 15th articles of the constitution are especially beautiful
    And the banking system is generally ...
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  7. Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 November 2020 18: 29
    -3
    "The Constitution of the Russian Federation, which was not written by citizens of Russia at all," Onnaya has already been changed, so forget it.
    And what if tomorrow, Western pharmacological concerns stop selling us drugs that are not stupidly produced in our country (and there are sooo many of them) - Russia will start making them itself - but no one will go to such a cancellation of sales, everyone needs money, and now it’s bad for sales markets that no one will cancel any deliveries.
    Or if Western corporations stop supplying us with microelectronic products, which we also do not produce for the most part? For the military, they produce everything, and for the civilian, they produce everything in Taiwan, again, no one can block anything and will not even try, because again manufacturers need sales markets.
    And yes, England has always had a market economy like all other Western countries - they did not have empty communist experiments long 69 years that led to where they started - hence they have a strong economy and currencies.
    And yes, at the expense of the sovereignty of the USSR, in fact, it was not the same, since everything that it lacked was produced little or not produced, bought for currency and gold if there was not enough currency in the west. There is not a single country in the world that produces everything exclusively on its own. Cooperation is everywhere.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 November 2020 19: 38
      0
      Quote: Vadim237
      "The Constitution of the Russian Federation, which was not written by citizens of Russia at all," Onnaya has already been changed, so forget it.

      Che seriously rewrote? Well, enlighten the dark, why did they rewrite it, and then, after all, it is not to unload bags at the station with your tongue.
      Quote: Vadim237
      And what if tomorrow, Western pharmacological concerns stop selling us drugs that are not stupidly produced in our country (and there are sooo many of them) - Russia will start making them itself

      What planet did you come from, dear? That is, in your brain there was such an idea that at the click of a finger, a slap, and factories, technologies, pharmacists, laboratories, etc. appeared ... and to certify medicines well in time, just like two fingers on the asphalt. Thoth and Covid are sitting there, they don't produce medicines, they don't certify them once or twice ... or do you live in a parallel universe?
      Quote: Vadim237
      the military produces everything, but for a civilian, the components are all produced in Taiwan, again, no one can block anything and will not even try, because again manufacturers need sales markets.

      In comparison with the same India or China, the Russian market is one tray on the very outskirts of the toilet in a huge bazaar. And I talked about the sovereignty of the Russian state, and did not pull out of context, so that you sit and play very crookedly clever.
      Quote: Vadim237
      And yes, England has always had a market economy like all other Western countries - they did not have empty communist experiments long 69 years that led to where they started - hence they have a strong economy and currencies.

      Dear, the dollar is NOT a STRONG currency from the word at all, just like the euro. But the pound English is all these crises to the light.
      Quote: Vadim237
      There is not a single country in the world that produces everything exclusively on its own. Cooperation is everywhere.

      That is why I said that there are no absolutely sovereign states in the world, and I am not talking only about the technological or medical part, sovereignty is made up of many factors.
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  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 10 November 2020 13: 48
    +2
    Let's develop economic cooperation, in particular, we will finally open Nord Stream 2.

    We have the whole country in streams .. but the economy does not change ..
    This German said business !! And the inconsistencies here are only in attempts to justify our worthless power ..
  • Holgerton
    Holgerton 10 November 2020 13: 11
    -1
    As we often say, sanctions are only for our benefit, therefore Russia, in the opinion of the great heads of our state, is already millennia ahead of these decaying capitalists in its development, and you want to refuse sanctions.
    They come to us with all their hearts, and you ...
    1. 16329
      16329 10 November 2020 14: 22
      +2
      Of course, Russia is ahead of Western countries in many respects, we have already been to socialism and returned back, and they only strive there
      In the USSR, the gender-neutral address "Comrade" was generally used
      The USSR was a country of victorious feminism
      1. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 10 November 2020 14: 53
        +1
        "Comrade"

        Personally, I use the word "citizen" - it immediately lowers presumptuous "gentlemen" to sinful earth laughing
  • Leeds
    Leeds 10 November 2020 13: 12
    +3
    90% \ 10% .... close Ali-Express to hell (just not before my wires come).
    1. alpamys
      alpamys 10 November 2020 14: 02
      +2
      Quote: Leeds
      90% \ 10% .... close Ali-Express to hell (just not before my wires come).

      do you already have your own wires?
      1. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 10 November 2020 14: 54
        +4

        do you already have your own wires?

        So they never were
  • Tatyana
    Tatyana 10 November 2020 13: 14
    +4
    Former German ambassador to the Russian Federation from 2014 to 2019: Russia is a powerful power militarily, but not at all economically.
    At the same time, he drew attention to the trade balance between the Russian Federation and the PRC, in which 90% of Chinese exports to Russia are finished products, and 90% of Russian exports to China are raw materials. The former diplomat does not consider such a RAW ECONOMIC imbalance in trade to be beneficial for Russia.

    Unfortunately, there is no way you can trample against this truth!
    And the government of the Russian Federation really needs to do something with this and correct this situation in the country. The only question is - How?
    1. frog
      frog 10 November 2020 13: 26
      0
      What for? They already feel good.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 10 November 2020 13: 46
        +2
        Quote: frog
        What for? They already feel good.

        Alas! Your bitter sarcasm stabbed me right through the heart!
        They will squander - our "market people" - the country - and somewhere in other countries, the rich in their own estates will surely dump.
        1. frog
          frog 10 November 2020 14: 03
          0
          What sarcasm? Sad real, nothing more. And these rakes have got up more than once, and we and .... not us. So what? Which one learns from mistakes, especially his own ?? The main thing is to steal while you are tyritsa. ICHSKh, mainly party members repeat
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 November 2020 13: 44
      +1
      Quote: Tatiana
      Unfortunately, there is no way you can trample against this truth!
      And the government of the Russian Federation really needs to do something with this and correct this situation in the country. The only question is - How?

      Tatyana, in order for something to become better with us, for this ...
      a-we need our leader of the state, not a protege put by Yeltsin. Excuse me, but the EBN announced to the whole country upon leaving that VVP would continue his work. Do you doubt that he does it? Well, let's take a look ... Whose Sberbank, the state? No!
      In the Russian Federation, Sberbank was corporatized and owned by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, 50% plus one share. That is, Sberbank was state-owned? No wasn `t. The Bank of Russia itself is not a state bank; it has a special public-legal status defined by Article 75 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.(by the constitution, which was written in 1993 in the USA) The Bank of Russia is an independent company that is accountable to the parliament of the Russian Federation, is not under the control of the Russian government and is obliged to comply only with the instructions of the International Monetary Fund.

      That is, this sharashkina office determines the FINANCIAL POLICY of the Russian Federation, not obeying the government, but obeying the IMF!
      And minerals belong to the people? No, from the word at all. And I again return to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, on the basis of which the Land Code, the Code of Human Rights, etc. were written ...
      So what needs to be changed, first of all, in the country, if we live according to the basic law, that is, the Constitution, written by our enemies to us?
      I don't even want to talk about raising the retirement age. Education and medicine are the same ass as the banking system.
      It is not necessary to change surgery, but to change everything.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 10 November 2020 13: 58
        +2
        Yes! That's right, Andrey!
        If you only knew how I agree with you!
        For this, we in the country do not have enough of our own - namely, the pro-Russian-oriented - national elite!
        1. 16329
          16329 10 November 2020 14: 54
          +2
          What the elite is, this is what it is, their imperial elite was exterminated in the 1917-1920s, and the entire current elite is "from the people", the president grew up in a communal apartment
        2. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 10 November 2020 14: 56
          -1
          Quote: Tatiana
          For this, we in the country do not have enough of our own - namely, the pro-Russian-oriented - national elite!

          Well so it is! forward to the Leaders of Russia program! not? won't you go? your business to suffer on the forum?
      2. 16329
        16329 10 November 2020 14: 57
        +1
        Again, everything is mixed and as a result of the retirement age, the share of PJSC Sberbank was "bought" by the government from the Central Bank last February
        The independence of the Central Bank is a very relative thing, but it’s not interesting to sprinkle old slogans at all
    3. Roman070280
      Roman070280 10 November 2020 13: 59
      0
      And the government of the Russian Federation really needs to do something with this and correct this situation in the country. The only question is - How?


      The question is inappropriate ..
      For no one in the government asked them for 20 years ..
      Because if I asked, there wouldn't be these 90/10%
      And therefore, why would a grandfather decide to change something before dying?

      The question is rather - HOW do we continue to live with this ??
      1. 16329
        16329 10 November 2020 14: 58
        +1
        What kind of grandfather, Biden or what?
    4. Serg65
      Serg65 10 November 2020 14: 01
      -2
      Quote: Tatiana
      The only question is - How?

      The ambassador bends his soul ... export of mineral products 68%, timber 9% ... total 77%! 77 is far from 90, isn't it Tatyana? 23% is the export of metal products and foodstuffs, and the export of foodstuffs tends to increase, for example, the export of vegetable oil in 2019, compared to 2018, increased by 74%.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 10 November 2020 14: 10
        +6
        Quote: Serg65
        The ambassador bends his soul ... export of mineral products 68%, timber 9% ... total 77%! 77 is far from 90, isn't it Tatyana? 23% is the export of metal products and foodstuffs, and the export of foodstuffs tends to increase, for example, the export of vegetable oil in 2019, compared to 2018, increased by 74%.

        You have not yet taken into account the export of oil and gas to the PRC, as well as fresh drinking water to the PRC from Baikal! And much more.
        So up to 90% of the raw materials in Russian exports to the PRC, it seems, will be enough.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 10 November 2020 14: 22
          -1
          Quote: Tatiana
          You have not yet taken into account the export of oil and gas, minerals to the PRC

          Well, why didn't I take it into account?
          Quote: Serg65
          export min products 68%

          Mineral products 68 percent, my soul!
          Quote: Tatiana
          fresh drinking water to China from Baikal

          Aquasib exports 80% of its products not only to China, but also to South Korea and Mongolia. This water is bottled, i.e. processed product.
          Quote: Tatiana
          So up to 90% of the raw materials in Russian exports to the PRC, it seems, will be enough.

          Not typed in any way, sorry!
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 10 November 2020 15: 41
            +2
            Quote: Serg65
            Aquasib exports 80% of its products not only to China, but also to South Korea and Mongolia. This water is bottled, i.e. processed product.

            Firstly, this is not only Baikal bottled water for the PRC, which in itself is in no way a HIGH-TECHNOLOGY product just because it was mined and packed in bottles.
            Oil and gas are also produced in boreholes and transported through pipelines.
            And the raw material economy of the Russian Federation from the sale of Baikal water at the same time remains a raw material - to the detriment of the ecological and territorial-political long-term interests of Russia due to the momentary selfish interests of the administrative top in the power of the Russian Federation itself.

            And secondly, I also mean the implementation of the Chinese project for irrigation with water through a water pipeline from Baikal itself, desert lands and rice fields on the territory of China itself.

            Putin sold Lake Baikal to China. 11 Mar Oct 2018
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 11 November 2020 08: 33
              -1
              Quote: Tatiana
              is not a HIGH-TECH product just because it was mined and packaged in bottles

              But still a product of processing, since there is some kind of technology.
              Quote: Tatiana
              At the same time, the raw material economy of the Russian Federation from the sale of Baikal water remains a raw material - to the detriment of the ecological and territorial-political long-term interests of Russia due to the momentary selfish interests of the top management in the power of the Russian Federation itself.

              what Well, let's take a calculator ... every minute for the household needs of the Baikal population from Baikal 4500 m3 is pumped out EVERY MINUTE, multiply 4500 * 60 * 24 * 30 and that in a MONTH 194,4 million m3. China asks for 230 million m3 per year! Now about the damage to the environment ... every year Baikal receives from 160 to 400 tons of oil products and wastewater. In 1969, honored honored, laureate of laureates, deputy from deputies S. Gerasimov shot a pompous film about the Baikal PPM called "By the Lake", by the way, the film never mentioned the plant's enormous environmental harm to the lake. Over the past 40 years, the pulp and paper mill has accumulated 6,2 million tons of production waste, buried literally 350 meters from the shore of Lake Baikal! Well, it's not so scary, but selling to China 0,001% of the permissible quota of consumption is definitely the end of Lake Baikal ... isn't it, Tatyana?
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 11 November 2020 09: 31
                +2
                Quote: Serg65
                Quote: Tatiana
                is not a HIGH-TECH product just because it was mined and packaged in bottles
                But still a product of processing, since there is some kind of technology.
                And even this processing is not ours either - not Russian, but Chinese investment. That is why the Aquasib plant in Russia CHINESE is Chinese property on Russian soil.
                Quote: Serg65
                Well, it's not so scary, but selling to China 0,001% of the permissible quota of consumption is definitely the end of Lake Baikal ... isn't it, Tatyana?

                Nobody is removing the problem with the pollution of Lake Baikal.
                But for drinking water, as such, countries have always fought, are and will continue to wage wars among themselves. You can sit on sacks of gold, but without water there is no life and you are a corpse.
                China grabs Baikal from Russia and all of Transbaikalia for nothing, builds on this development of its economy and voluntarily return Baikal to Russia and there will be no land around it! Ibl it will be a blow to the Chinese economy.
                Russia will then have to fight China for Lake Baikal, and we will most likely lose this war.

                Yuri Pronko. The Chinese found a loophole to finish building their plant on Lake Baikal
                11 views • May 15, 2019
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 11 November 2020 10: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  China grabs Baikal from Russia and all of Transbaikalia for nothing, builds on this development of its economy and voluntarily return Baikal to Russia and there will be no land around it! Ibl it will be a blow to the Chinese economy.
                  Russia will then have to fight China for Lake Baikal, and we will most likely lose this war.

                  Tatyana, I position you as an intelligent woman and I am very sure that these crazy ideas have nothing to do with you!
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 11 November 2020 11: 30
                    0
                    It seems crazy ideas to you now. There is nothing crazy in this - only an objective logical and analytical forecast.
                    Didn't we fight China even in Soviet times? Remember the conflict between the USSR and the PRC over Damansky Island on the Ussuri River in 1969!

                    The border under the agreement between the USSR and the PRC passed along the deep river bed... Damansky Island was the territory of the USSR.
                    Ocrov Damansky, with an area of ​​less than 1 kilometer, became the home of the blood-flowing Soviet-Chinese conflict in March 1969 - most of the CCC large In total, 58 Soviet border guards and more than 800 Chinese died. The Chinese divisions came on close for the protection of Chinese citizens, allegedly oppressed by the Soviet border guards. The fire was opened by the border guards of the USSR. After the battles on March 15, considering the provocations sufficient, the Chinese stopped trying to attack the occult and retreated from the positions they had taken. In September 1969, the USSR and China agreed to leave the shutdown and not attack each other.
                    However, in doing so, the Chinese simply changed the tactics of capturing Fr. Damansky - they gradually began to fill up the deep-water channel of the river opposite Fr. Damansky. As a result, the water in the river washed up the deep water on the other side of the island. Damansky. These are the same "alluvial" technologies of China, which the PRC still widely uses to expand its territory by changing natural conditions to seize them from other countries.

                    A new agreement on the border with Kitae, which regulated the old disputes, was signed in 1991 by M. Gorbachev and then in 1992 it was ratified by the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation. According to this treaty, Damansky was transferred to China. But not only he, but also a lot of pictures. The border was "refined" by passing it through the navigator of shipyards and the middle of non-shipyards. Until the agreement of 1991, the border passed along the coast of China on the rivers (the river borders are more than 3000 km, which is more of the entire border of Russia and Russia). Now they were running in such a way that Russia gave China about six hundred islands on the Amur and Ussuri rivers and another 10 km2 of land territory. In September 1995, this agreement was also refined: Russia lost another 1500 hectares of land. If, in 1860, Russia used the delight of China, then now everything was in full swing - the weakened Russia was releasing the ancient wild whale land.
                    On October 15, 2004, in Beijing, V.V. Putin submitted his submission to the "Additional agreement on the Russian-Chinese state border on" it. The treaty was supposed to be an additional transfer by Russia to China of the island of Tarabars, partly the Great Ussurian and the beginning of the Great. And it is in spite of the well-established programs that have been found there for a long time, equipped with hardened equipment, given by Russian citizens, and so on. In 2005, the treaty was completed - the cutoff was transferred to China (327 km2).
                    См. подробно - https://zen.yandex.ru/media/cyrillitsa.ru/ostrov-damanskii-pochemu-on-pereshel-kitaiu-5e7d137d8fb8515a5a4fd2c8?utm_source=serp
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 11 November 2020 12: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      Didn't we fight China even in Soviet times?

                      Tatyana, what is the real reason for these conflicts?
                    2. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 11 November 2020 12: 55
                      0
                      Quote: Serg65
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      We didn't even fight China in soviet time?
                      and what is the real reason for these conflicts?

                      The reason is partly in the preservation of the historical-imperial national-cultural mentality among the Chinese themselves and among its national elite.
                      The construction of socialism in the PRC and proletarian internationalism in the mentality of the Chinese themselves and even Mao Zedong were still of a limited communist-ideological nature, so to speak, with a Chinese consumer flavor - to receive more from the USSR than to share and give.
                      It was a kind of Chinese National Socialism.
                      After all, China was an agrarian country. It was the USSR that built their Chinese industry in the PRC. At the same time, the PRC was not even part of the USSR. And therefore, the "top" of the PRC felt completely free from its grateful obligations to the USSR, as soon as it began to receive less from the USSR than before, economically getting on its feet.
                    3. Serg65
                      Serg65 11 November 2020 14: 50
                      +1
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      The reason is partly in the preservation of the historical-imperial national-cultural mentality among the Chinese themselves and among its national elite.

                      If you remove all the political superstructure, then everything will turn out much easier! China began rapprochement with the United States since 1954; in 1968, attempts at rapprochement almost reached a dead end. To prove to the Americans his great desire to join American civilization, Mao went to a sharp exacerbation of relations with the USSR. 1969 Soviet-Chinese conflicts. 1970, the Congress raised the question of the beginning of relations between the United States and the PRC ... "build relations with the PRC and use the Soviet-Chinese differences"
                      1971 Kissinger's visit to China.
                      1972 Nixon visit and Shanghai communiqué.
                      The Sino-Soviet conflicts and the Sino-Vietnamese conflict are the price of friendship with the United States and nothing more !!! Those. to get American buns, Mao easily spit on communism!
                    4. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 11 November 2020 16: 09
                      0
                      Quote: Serg65
                      China began rapprochement with the United States since 1954,

                      Yes that's right! Accepted.
                      I will add to this that the Stalinist Mao also quarreled with Khrushchev after Stalin's death over Khrushchev's exposure of Stalin's personality cult.
                      On February 25, 1956, at the XX Congress of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Nikita Khrushchev read the famous report on the personality cult and its consequences. It dealt with mass terror, repression and crimes of the 30-50s, the blame for which was shifted to Joseph Stalin.
                      Khrushchev dealt a big political and ideological blow to the countries of the socialist camp.
                    5. Serg65
                      Serg65 12 November 2020 07: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      Khrushchev dealt a big political and ideological blow to the countries of the socialist camp.

                      I fully agree with this! Khrushchev himself looked to the West, but the West ignored him, so at the end of his reign Nikita was very angry with the West! In general, in my opinion .... no matter what the political system will be in Russia, the West will still be against Russia!
                      Nice chatting with you! hi love
                    6. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 12 November 2020 11: 20
                      +1
                      Quote: Serg65
                      Nice chatting with you!

                      Mutually!
                      In our conversation, we have successfully refreshed in our memory much of history for the benefit of each other.
                      Quote: Serg65
                      no matter what the political system will be in Russia, the West will still be against Russia!
                      Definitely it is! And Russians don't even need to build any illusions in this regard! These illusions only disorient us and only make us weaker than we could be ..
    5. Tatyana
      Tatyana 11 November 2020 09: 57
      +1
      Quote: Serg65
      For China, 0,001% of water from the permissible quota of consumption is definitely the end of Baikal ... isn't it, Tatyana?

      Where and when have you seen or heard that the Chinese would observe the quotas for the consumption of wealth in foreign countries without theft ?!
      And where did you get the figure "0,001%" of water supplies for China, and when and WHAT does it still refer to? Can you give a link?
      Obviously, this figure has nothing to do with water pipes for irrigation of desert agricultural lands for growing rice in China!
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 11 November 2020 11: 07
        0
        Quote: Tatiana
        Can you give a link?

        Well, for example here ..
        https://vodokanalrnd.ru/press-tsentr/novosti-otrasli/truba-4---vodoprovod-v-kitay-quotbaykalinformquot-12-maya-201170/+78633091037
        By the way, the issue with the sale of water has not been resolved, although 9 years have passed since the moment the issue was raised, and the issue of selling Altai waters to the same China also hung ...
  • 16329
    16329 10 November 2020 14: 24
    +1
    Create yourself a market of 300 with a population of at least 300 million, then you can profitably develop other industries
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 10 November 2020 14: 57
    +1
    And the government of the Russian Federation really needs to do something with this and correct this situation in the country. The only question is - How?

    I answer - with the whole Caudle, in a place with the Duma and the Federation Council, and all ministries, to dump from the Russian Federation at the place of ownership of foreign real estate and let the Russian people hold real elections
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 November 2020 18: 42
    -1
    And to correct this situation in the country. The only question is - How? The last question is the hardest one. Production in any case will be unprofitable - since the last word is with the client and our clients are not particularly fond of buying.
  • Civil
    Civil 10 November 2020 13: 27
    0
    Russia is a great military power with an unimpressive economy.


    Shameful but true. The economy, that is, the life of ordinary Russians, is not in the first place in Russia.
  • marchcat
    marchcat 10 November 2020 13: 04
    +9
    They would have such a financial block as ours, I would have seen what they would say then.
    1. GRIGORIY76
      GRIGORIY76 10 November 2020 13: 18
      +4
      This block was chosen by our people themselves. Most are satisfied.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 10 November 2020 13: 29
        +3
        Quote: GRIGORIY76
        This block was chosen by our people themselves. Most are satisfied.

        Most are not satisfied with anything, it is just that most do not ask ..
        1. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 10 November 2020 15: 00
          -5

          Nothing suits most, it's just that most don't ask

          Go to the polls and join the ranks of election observers, and do not need to say that your vote does not decide anything,
          I generally suggest that people who do not go to the polls to deprive them of Russian citizenship
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 10 November 2020 13: 04
    0
    Yes it is so "in a difficult history the Germans played a significant role."
    It was necessary to drive to the Channel, they would be less screwed now.
  • Proton
    Proton 10 November 2020 13: 08
    +2
    In principle, I said rightly, it is necessary to tighten the economy.
    1. frruc
      frruc 10 November 2020 13: 19
      -3
      She (Russia) is the only country on Earth that can independently supply itself with any raw materials ...

      They want one thing from Russia - the export of resources and raw materials (cheaper and more). This applies to Europe, China and America. Better yet, a gift.
  • taiga2018
    taiga2018 10 November 2020 13: 08
    +3
    So the fascists also said that they were fighting against the communists, and that ordinary Soviet citizens were treated “excellently.” Years pass, but the rhetoric is the same ...
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 10 November 2020 13: 08
    +2
    The German started well, but as he said that Russia did not need to be friends with China, it immediately became clear that he was not a friend to us, he was disingenuous.
    And so, in principle, he says the right words about our economy ... With our enormous resources, most of our people barely make ends meet .. A small handful of the elite who have appropriated the riches of Russia and skim the cream off their exploitation are now fattening. The middle class of entrepreneurs is not formed and is breathing on its way from crisis to crisis. Small business is also risky in our realities. It is too early to talk about any prospects for the people in such difficult living conditions.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 10 November 2020 13: 24
      +1
      A small handful of the elite who have appropriated the riches of Russia and skim the cream off their exploitation are now fattening.
      By our standards, it is fattening. By their standards, they are poor. Something has not been heard for a long time about the next (seventh?) Yacht of Abramovich recourse
      And therefore: ...With our enormous resources, most of our people barely make ends meet .. turn us into a resource. For a long time, purposefully, prudently, but under the fanfare of victories and calls "you hold on." The tick bites like that - first, an analgesic is injected from saliva so that you don't feel, and then it happens that Borzhom doesn't help either. stop
    2. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 10 November 2020 13: 44
      -2
      And he did not say that it is not necessary to be friends with Kmtai. You need to be friends. But the imbalance in the trade turnover must also be corrected! It was clear without him and before him. But this is very difficult to do - Trump tried at home - and lost the election.
    3. Roman070280
      Roman070280 10 November 2020 14: 02
      -4
      but as he said that Russia does not need to be friends with China it immediately became clear he is not our friend, he is disingenuous.


      Whether he is a friend, or not a friend .. But he said the pure truth !!
      Whether someone likes this truth or not is another question, and it does not denigrate the speaker in any way.
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 10 November 2020 13: 09
    +8
    After all, she, like Russia, should also stop depending on Chinese manufacturers.
    And Western Europe should stop depending on the wishes of the United States.
  • maktub
    maktub 10 November 2020 13: 16
    -6
    Everything is correct he said
  • Bogatyrev
    Bogatyrev 10 November 2020 13: 16
    -2
    Russian GDP is larger than German by the way
    1. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 10 November 2020 15: 02
      +2
      Russian GDP is larger than German by the way
      in which place? In the wet fantasies of Kiselev or Solovyov?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 10 November 2020 18: 48
        -2
        In PPP GDP - according to it, the whole world is now calculating the annual economy. In Russia, it amounted to $ 4390 billion in 2019.
  • iouris
    iouris 10 November 2020 13: 16
    -1
    Probably the FRG supplies arms to Russia.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 10 November 2020 13: 19
    -2
    In general, the German says everything on the case.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 10 November 2020 13: 19
    0
    90% of Russian supplies to China are raw materials.

    Thus, natural gas supplies were cut by 50%. Now we are talking about the temporary interruption of the supply of coal and fish. Reported by Rambler.
    No supplies and no money, but with rockets!
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 November 2020 13: 22
    -2
    Yes, we have enough for both Germany and China. Don't worry ... gentlemen Germans. And as for the economy, since you work hard there ... there is no time to live ... We would be on the stove, but at the behest of a pike ... However, we are ahead of Germany in PPP GDP. You have one and a half times less people - and we are lagging behind by these one and a half. And 20 years ago, they lagged behind three times ...
    1. 16329
      16329 10 November 2020 15: 02
      0
      Who works in Germany, perhaps the "Russian Germans", and the Turks and the Arabs do not really try
    2. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 10 November 2020 15: 04
      -1
      Yes, we have enough for both Germany and China. Don't worry ... gentlemen Germans. And as for the economy, since you work hard there ... there is no time to live ... We would be on the stove, but at the behest of a pike ... However, we are ahead of Germany in PPP GDP. You have one and a half times less people - and we are lagging behind by these one and a half. And 20 years ago, they lagged behind three times ...

      I'm interested in out of pure curiosity, what do you smoke?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 10 November 2020 15: 44
        -1
        Quote: Petro_tut
        I'm interested in out of pure curiosity, what do you smoke?

        I go there more often than you do in the country ... And I know what I am saying. And my sister lives in Cologne. And smoking - quit smoking. Has long been.
  • askort154
    askort154 10 November 2020 13: 22
    +5
    Von Fritsch's main point is that Russia and Germany need each other and must cooperate.

    It is wrong for an ambassador not to know that such an attempt has already been made.
    Putin and Schroeder sharply began to bring Russia and Germany closer together, and this frightened the Anglo-Saxons. They got scared of the merger of high technology with unlimited resources. And the division announced then, the new economic belt from Lisbon to Vladivostok,
    they perceived it as a threat to their national security, and made their own "democratic" adjustments. Schroeder was not allowed in for a second term, but they put Merkel, who they had, and is on a powerful hook. And Merkel, sharply led Germany away from rapprochement with Russia.
  • Victorio
    Victorio 10 November 2020 13: 27
    +2
    a chance for the Baltics, Ukraine, Poland, other former Soviet republics and socialist countries to go my way
    ===
    he twisted his soul here, however
  • alexmach
    alexmach 10 November 2020 13: 27
    +2
    The ex-ambassador thinks that Moscow should look for an equal economic partner that Western Europe could become. After all, she, like Russia, should also stop depending on Chinese manufacturers.

    Well, the idea as a whole is wonderful, but firstly, it is not new at all, and secondly, Geramania itself does not want to. Here, at least, look at how it wags backwards with flows.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 10 November 2020 13: 30
    +1
    .. The ex-ambassador thinks that Moscow should look for an equal economic partner, which Western Europe could become ... laughing Aha! Europe sleeps and sees us as an equal economic partner.
  • cniza
    cniza 10 November 2020 13: 36
    +4
    But its gross domestic product is equal to that of New York State. And this is a tragedy.


    Of course, we have problems over the roof and a mess, but the comparison is very incorrect, you need to understand the structure of GDP and the consumer capabilities of currencies ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 10 November 2020 13: 43
      +3
      Hi soldier
      It's pointless to compare. No one to catch up and overtake, according to such far-fetched indicators as GDP.
      Why? and they got used to inflating so that it is not worth poking around ... it is better to do something more useful.
      1. cniza
        cniza 10 November 2020 13: 45
        +2
        No, well, face book is more than Gazprom's assets ... lol Greetings! hi
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 10 November 2020 13: 48
          +1
          We have "bamboo" so it is forbidden ... they say it helps a lot to train, stimulate, inflating abilities!
          1. cniza
            cniza 10 November 2020 13: 51
            +2
            Our nipple system works well, but they don't have one ...
        2. Roman070280
          Roman070280 10 November 2020 14: 04
          -2
          Gazprom will pay a couple more fines to Poland / Ukraine, and drown a couple of pipes in the sea - and the asset will be less than that of Odnoklassniki ..
          1. cniza
            cniza 10 November 2020 14: 11
            +3
            What asset do classmates have and what does it consist of?
            1. Roman070280
              Roman070280 10 November 2020 14: 38
              -3
              And not an expert in these things .. I think there is a lot of things included ..
              But if Mercedes stokes cars, sooner or later its assets may equal those of Avtovaz.
              The same is with Gazprom ..
              1. cniza
                cniza 10 November 2020 14: 43
                +2
                Quote: Roman070280
                And not an expert in these things .. I think there is a lot of things included ..


                Then don't make such conclusions ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 10 November 2020 13: 41
    +1
    while feeling sincere sympathy for Russia and its citizens.

    politician, the motto is sincerity, for ... not for them, in short! -
    although, with some of what has been said, one has to agree, in fact - it is taking place.
    1. cniza
      cniza 10 November 2020 13: 46
      +2
      They have always tried and not unsuccessfully to litter us, because if we make an alliance between Russia and Germany, then many will scream ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 November 2020 13: 50
        +1
        Come on, their dreams, illusion ... to do business, YOUR OWN, FOR YOURSELF ... it will all go as it should.
        1. cniza
          cniza 10 November 2020 13: 52
          +3
          So I'm talking about the same thing, but their technologies and our potential can have a big effect ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 10 November 2020 14: 57
            +1
            Who will give them? Who will give us?
            Only yourself, yourself, YOURSELF!
            1. cniza
              cniza 10 November 2020 15: 30
              +2
              So ourselves, until the thunder breaks out, we do nothing ...
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 10 November 2020 13: 45
    -3
    Former German ambassador to the Russian Federation, Rudiger von Fritsch, is critical of the leadership of our country and its policy, while feeling sincere sympathy for Russia and its citizens.

    the only country on Earth that can independently supply itself with any raw material. But its gross domestic product is equal to that of New York State. And this is a tragedy.


    What, however, is an adequate guy ..
  • Runoway
    Runoway 10 November 2020 13: 53
    -1
    But where will it be the economy ???? When

    Collapse it completely and become millionaires wassat
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 10 November 2020 14: 09
      +1
      The Armenians rushed into parliament because of their dissatisfaction with some scraps of land .. Their own people wanted to clean up Pashinyan's face for not letting them be killed in the war ..
      And the expired sells the riches of Russia, genocide the people, openly laughs from the screen .. and everyone suffers ..
      1. cniza
        cniza 10 November 2020 14: 15
        +2
        This piece of land, as you put it, is almost 50% of the territory of Armenia and 30% of the territory of Azerbaijan ...
  • alpamys
    alpamys 10 November 2020 14: 00
    +1
    I said everything right ... it is.
  • Horon
    Horon 10 November 2020 14: 02
    +1
    In the West, according to the diplomat, they perceived the collapse of the USSR and the socialist camp as a chance for the Baltic States, Ukraine, Poland, other former Soviet republics and socialist countries to go their own way.

    Only the West itself decided to exclude "its own path" for individual European countries and created the EU.
    In Russia, these events are assessed as a huge catastrophe that led to the collapse of the great empire, the last on the planet.

    Has Great Britain become without the prefix "Great" and become just Britain? Does a noble diplomat know history? Only three entities now have signs of empires: these are two old state entities: the Russian Federation (a fragment of the former USSR, and before that just Russia) and the World Bank, as well as a new entity of the EU. What then is the last empire he speaks of? Or are the empires created by the West ceased to be empires?
  • businessv
    businessv 10 November 2020 14: 09
    +2
    Von Fritsch recalls that, having received the post of ambassador to Russia, he traveled to our country with deep sympathy for it. And after five years in Moscow, this feeling became even stronger.
    If such a symbiosis takes place, then nothing in the world can be stronger than this alliance! But only this will be greatly hindered by our sworn "partners". smile
    1. dimasik-nl
      dimasik-nl 10 November 2020 14: 51
      +1
      I agree, the symbiosis of Germany and Russia is a mutually beneficial cooperation proven over the centuries, friendship with China is a dead-end branch of the country's development, nothing but cheap consumer goods will not be given by the "comrades" from the celestial Empire to cut down forests
  • av58
    av58 10 November 2020 14: 15
    -3
    The former German ambassador to Moscow did not understand that Russia does NOT need Germany. We can buy what we need in other countries.
    1. dimasik-nl
      dimasik-nl 10 November 2020 14: 47
      0
      What, for example?
    2. businessv
      businessv 10 November 2020 18: 40
      +2
      Quote: av58
      We can buy what we need in other countries.

      Actually, the ambassador was talking about production, not buying! And about the economy, which is still weak, with all the available opportunities to be one of the strongest in the world. Our government would definitely buy brains! hi
  • AB
    AB 10 November 2020 14: 35
    0
    Moscow should look for an equal economic partner that Western Europe could become.

    No, thanks. In the 90s, we already went through this, destroyed everything we could ...
    According to the former diplomat, Germany should understand that Russia is a magnificent country, in whose difficult history the Germans played a significant role.

    How, we remember! Iosif Vissarionovich was very kind, it was necessary to cut West Germany to the root. Only the GDR had a right to exist.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 November 2020 14: 37
    +3
    An ambassador is not needed for this. I can say that.
  • G. Georgiev
    G. Georgiev 10 November 2020 14: 37
    +2
    Gross Domestic Product Brailia = $ 1,7 tril., Russia = $ 1,6 tril., And Germany = $ 3,8 tril., US = $ 22 tril. (California = $ 2 tril.)
  • Konnick
    Konnick 10 November 2020 14: 40
    -3
    He discovered America, back in the "saints" of the 90s, Gaidar said, “Why do we need machines? And slapping his lip continued - We are rich, we will buy ...
    I remember the words of Luzhkov, who was shown Unimog for cleaning the streets, and when a journalist asked him, “Why don't we do such a technique? Luzhkov smugly said, “Let the Germans do it, and we'll buy it.
    Supplementalized ... now we cannot make planes ourselves, completely from our own components. The engines from the Tu-144 monument at the entrance to Zhukovsky were removed, powered up and put into the Tu-160.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 November 2020 18: 53
      -3
      "We paid for it ... now we can't make the planes ourselves, completely from our own components. The engines from the Tu-144 monument at the entrance to Zhukovsky were removed, powered up and put into the Tu-160." Did you invent this garbage yourself or who prompted?
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 10 November 2020 14: 47
    0
    "..a little impressive economy ...", it builds rockets, ships it builds, planes are built and the "unimpressive economy", hehe ..., Germany can no longer boast of this, probably, it became enviable ...
    On the other hand, if you take $ 200 for a haircut, of course the GDP will be high ... if you compare it in terms of industrial potential, then, I think, the states are not much ahead of Russia.
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 10 November 2020 15: 01
    0
    Russia is militarily a powerful power, economically not at all
    can not argue
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 10 November 2020 15: 23
    0
    Straight surprised laughing
  • ZVS
    ZVS 10 November 2020 16: 43
    -1
    It is difficult to disagree with the ex-ambassador.
  • traper
    traper 10 November 2020 20: 08
    -1
    Cool Hans, while he forgets that, as it were, economically weak Russia has industrial production more than Germany.)). At the same time, from year to year, production volumes in the non-farm are falling, while in Russia they are growing. Here is such a zagagulina))
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 10 November 2020 23: 33
    0
    let's count from 1242 - Alexander Nevsky, we have an eternal problem Catholic - Orthodox: eternal war !!!!
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 11 November 2020 10: 56
    +1
    The sober look of an intelligent person.
  • fif21
    fif21 11 November 2020 12: 20
    0
    Europe and the United States have shown arrogance and unacceptable disdain towards Russia. Russia went east - near Turkey, Iran, Syria, far - China, Asia - India, Pakistan, America - Cuba, Venezuela. And what is left for Europe and the United States to do? request The Russian market is lost, raw materials from the Russian Federation are used for the development and prosperity of other countries, the trickle of goods from Western countries to the Russian Federation is small. Only a country with a strong economy can have a strong army! So the custom expert is wrong hi