Turkish Foreign Minister: Azerbaijan won both on the battlefields and at the negotiating table

Ankara is reacting to the agreements reached between Baku and Yerevan through the mediation of Moscow. Let us remind that no military operations have been conducted in Nagorno-Karabakh from today. The Russian peacekeeping contingent, as well as Turkish "observers" are being transferred there.

Turkey states that the function of the Turkish representatives in Karabakh will be to monitor the fulfillment by the Armenian side of its obligations to withdraw troops from several regions.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, who together with Defense Minister Hulusi Akar visited Baku the other day, announced "a great victory for Azerbaijan." From a statement by a Turkish official:

This is a great victory for Azerbaijan, won both on the battlefield and at the negotiating table.

Cavusoglu further added:

We were and remain one people with Azerbaijan, we have one heart with our Azerbaijani brothers.

From the very beginning of the conflict, Ankara does not hide its support for one of its sides.

Against this background, the head of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic Arayik Harutyunyan noted that the signed agreements “will assess story”, Adding that today they were badly needed.

According to Harutyunyan, many settlements have already been lost, and the fighting was going on 2 km from Stepanakert. From the statement of the head of Artsakh:

If everything continued at the same pace, then within a few days we would lose all of Artsakh.

Comments

[Woodman]

According to Harutyunyan, many settlements have already been lost, and the fighting was going on 2 km from Stepanakert. From the statement of the head of Artsakh:
If everything continued at the same pace, then within a few days we would lose all of Artsakh.

Well, at least someone soberly assessed what was happening ...

[Nasrat]

Quote: Lesovik

According to Harutyunyan, many settlements have already been lost, and the fighting was going on 2 km from Stepanakert. From the statement of the head of Artsakh:
If everything continued at the same pace, then within a few days we would lose all of Artsakh.

Well, at least someone soberly assessed what was happening ...

Armenians would appreciate it 15-20 years earlier - you look and would live peacefully and have money for transit .. and trade went on and so on. And so most of NK - and stood in ruins for all 30 years ... and Armenia itself practically in isolation, as it stood in a corner for 30 years - obviously did not benefit it ... And the longer this continues, the worse for Armenia ... If the Armenians drop their aplomb and build normal relations with Azerbaijan, they will also make money on this ... - this is the main interest of Russia ...

[NTD]

Quote: Lesovik

Well, at least someone soberly assessed what was happening ...

It's too late to drink Borjomi. They remove their troops from Aghdam and Lachin until December 1. There will be no Ar-tsa-ha. They will live within Azerbaijan. If they want to.

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Did the Turkish Foreign Minister say that Turkey will leave the occupied lands in Syria?

[Rubina]

Let me remind you that because of the captured piece of Syria, Turkey feeds -Six 6 !!! million Syrians.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Rubina

Let me remind you that because of the captured piece of Syria, Turkey feeds -Six 6 !!! million Syrians.

With EU money)).

[Rubina]

EC pledged 3 billion at the time when there were 3.5 million refugees and paid only half for today. Thus, Turkey maintains 1,75 million at the expense of the EU and 4,250 million at its own expense.

[Krasnodar]

I am not aware of how much it actually costs refugees. A year in 2013 in Istanbul, I remember Syrian kids asking for money at the crossroads of the city.

[venik]

Quote: Rubina

Let me remind you that because of the captured piece of Syria, Turkey feeds -Six 6 !!! million Syrians.

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Oh, what a noble "unmercenary" they are, these Turks !!!
Or maybe it was easier NOT TO CAPTURE someone else's territory? Lo and behold, 6 (!!!) million Syrians wouldn’t have to "feed and drink" ???

[Vadim_888]

... Did the Turkish Foreign Minister say that Turkey will leave the occupied lands in Syria?

and why?

[Guards turn]

In the full text of the statement of the presidents of the Russian Federation, Armenia and Azerbaijan on Karabakh, Turkey is not mentioned anywhere, incl. on the issue of peacekeepers.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Guards turn

In the full text of the statement of the presidents of the Russian Federation, Armenia and Azerbaijan on Karabakh, Turkey is not mentioned anywhere, incl. on the issue of peacekeepers.

Yes, Turkey is not mentioned in the text, but actually Azerbaijan with Turkey defeated Armenia and Karabakh. And Harutyunyan is ABSOLUTELY right, saying with pain that the signed agreements "will be assessed by history", adding that today they were extremely necessary. This is exactly how it is: in view of the inevitable loss of all of Artsakh / Karabakh in the event of continuing bloody hostilities, this agreement is the ONLY correct decision today. It's another matter that the "VERY clever" policy of the "wise" Pashinyan led to him. I wonder if the Armenians will forgive all this to Pashinyan and what will they do with him?

[maktub]

Uv.MTN, explain to me the stupid benefit of Azerbaijan from stopping the troops "five minutes before victory"? The problem is not solved, so it was postponed for a while

[Krasnodar]

Quote: maktub

Uv.MTN, explain to me the stupid benefit of Azerbaijan from stopping the troops "five minutes before victory"? The problem is not solved, so it was postponed for a while

We didn’t want to lay people down and throw out money. In my opinion, what the Azerbaijanis did in 1,5 months in Karabakh exceeded their expectations, and the result means the complete surrender of Armenia. The funniest thing will be when the flow of Armenian pensioners, evacuated now, will be pulled back to Stepanakert for Azerbaijani pensions, which are three times more than Armenian ones)).

[maktub]

So the "problem" was not solved, but postponed
And let the pensioners receive two pensions, maybe in old age they will live normally

[Krasnodar]

How can you solve it? Putting an additional five thousand people in the current round of battles? As for pensioners - give them Gd health and take a walk at the weddings of great-grandchildren!

[maktub]

Elementary, access to the borders with Armenia and the UN administration and the police mission for the same 5 years.
And now the same "freeze" with unpredictable development.
Since Azerbaijan is now living richer, then this would not cause strong rejection among the local inhabitants

[Krasnodar]

There is just no greater bullshit than UN missions in the delimitation of warring parties. I agree with you that this is just a round of confrontation, in 5 years we will have battles between the modernized Armenian army and the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan. Some kipish in Stepanakert will serve as a catalyst.

[maktub]

That's why I'm saying that Baku had to take Stepanokert and go to the borders with Armenia, with the complete assimilation of the local population (citizenship, salaries and pensions at the level of Azerbaijan, proportional representation in all branches of government, etc.)

[Krasnodar]

De facto, according to the agreement, Baku will receive everything anyway

[maktub]

Territorial dispute for the coming future is not going anywhere
What is now offered is a half-hearted solution

[Krasnodar]

For a full-fledged one, the occupation of the mother country is needed, not Karabakh)). With the control of parties, school curricula, etc. Part of the national identity of the Armenians is the return of historical lands that now belong to other countries. As long as this exists, as long as it is on the agenda, there can be no talk of any global solution to the Karabakh issue.

[Goffman]

Quote: maktub

the "problem" was not solved, but postponed

We decided - just with a delay. Under this peace agreement, Armenian armed formations are completely withdrawn from Karabakh. It also states that after five years, Russian peacekeepers will be there only if neither side declares its intention to terminate the agreement. Those. if Azerbaijan declares (and I think that the Armenian population will not remain there anyway), the Russian peacekeepers will leave and this area will be empty of troops. There will be no obstacles to the entry of Azerbaijani units there - after all, according to all UN resolutions, it is recognized as a part of Azerbaijan. I do not think that Armenia will rush there through the mountains and the regions returned to Azerbaijan - it has not done this even now.
They just sweetened the pill of defeat for Armenia.

[maktub]

It would be better if the LLC mission was, as well as an additional burden on the budget of the Russian Federation

[Vadivak]

Quote: maktub

So the "problem" was not solved, but postponed

A-n will take advantage of the pause, regroup the troops, focus on the successfully used weapons and methods of warfare, and take full control of Karabakh. And the Armenians lost now, they will lose and then
the commander of the 2nd Erzurum fortress artillery regiment, Lieutenant Colonel Tverdokhlebov:
“The Armenians, cowardly and vilely fleeing from the battlefield from the advancing soldiers, are extremely brave and selflessly courageous in attacks on single unarmed people, on the elderly, on women, on children.”

[alexmach]

Explain to me the blunt benefit of Azerbaijan from stopping the troops "five minutes before victory"?

I mean, 5 minutes before the victory? the victory has already been won. They came to a situation when the resistance of the rival is useless, they can only surrender, which Armenia did.

[maktub]

We didn’t take control of NKR to the end, didn’t take Stepanokert, didn’t take the whole border with Armenia. And I say that 5 minutes before the victory

[alexmach]

Yes, but after the shutdown of communications, there really were only 5 minutes left before that. It was already clear to everyone that victory was inevitable, the continuation of the war would only mean more casualties on both sides, but would not change the outcome. The war was won, completely and completely. As a result, Armenia was persuaded to agree to a favorable Azerbaijan.

[Rubina]

Because Russian troops from Ulyanovsk moved to Karabakh yesterday evening without warning Azerbaijan. That is why we shot down the plane, because political decisions were made last night. Azerb troops were stationed 2 km from Khankendi / Stepanakert yesterday evening. In fact, Putin saved Stepanakert and other territories that we did not manage to take from complete defeat, saved the lives of Armenian and Azerbaijani soldiers.

[Cheerock]

Quote: Rubina

Because Russian troops from Ulyanovsk moved to Karabakh yesterday evening without warning Azerbaijan. That is why we shot down the plane, because political decisions were made last night. Azerb troops were stationed 2 km from Khankendi / Stepanakert yesterday evening. In fact, Putin saved Stepanakert and other territories that we did not manage to take from complete defeat, saved the lives of Armenian and Azerbaijani soldiers.

I think everyone was warned and everyone who is supposed to have been informed. Except for the crazy border guards from Nakhichevan.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

They will live in Artsakh and as part of Armenia over time, and you will get your districts back.

And this is the most reasonable decision.

Azerbaijan could have captured the whole of Karabakh, but then it would have sowed endless enmity and a thirst for revenge among the Armenians.

Azerbaijan will run out of oil and gas in 15-20 years and then Azerbaijan will not have a big economic advantage over Armenia.

It is necessary to explain what will happen next in this situation?

Both you and I understand perfectly well that the Armenian soldier is much more resilient than the Azerbaijani one and in equal conditions you will not have a chance to win.

So, stop carrying nationalistic nonsense and celebrate the victory and the fact that the problem of Nagorno-Karabakh was resolved optimally for everyone, though not without blood.

[Rubina]

A very staunch Armenian soldier used the tactics of "tactical retreat" all the way. Armenia should pray to Putin, and they pour mud on Russia and curse

[Sergey Sfiedu]

"There won't be any Arts-ha-ha. They will live as part of Azerbaijan. If they want" - if Azerbaijan allows. But it’s a no brainer - he won’t. Our peacekeepers are minuscule on a huge front. Bypass. They will accuse the Armenians of violating the fire, cut the Lachin corridor and occupy the rest of Artsakh, at the same time slaughtering all Armenians, young and old.

[Vadim237]

The Armenians, for the most part, have already fled from there.

[vVvAD]

The agreement deals with Lachin, Kelbajar and Agdam regions. The Gazakh region mentioned in it has nothing to do with the NKAO (self-seizure by Armenia).
So do not fantasize - they themselves have appealed to international law.
Let's see how Azerbaijan will fulfill its obligations.

[Orange bigg]

The text of the agreement. Judge for yourself.

The heads of state of Azerbaijan, Russia and Armenia signed an agreement on the war in Karabakh.
Azerisport.com reports that the text of the agreement was signed by President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev, President of Russia Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan.
Agreement text:
1. A complete ceasefire and all hostilities in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict are announced from 00:00 Moscow time on November 10, 2020. The Republic of Azerbaijan and the Republic of Armenia, hereinafter referred to as the Parties, stop at their positions.
2. The Aghdam region and the territories held by the Armenian Party in the Gazakh region of the Republic of Azerbaijan shall be returned to the Azerbaijani side by November 20, 2020.
3. Along the line of contact in Nagorno-Karabakh and along the Lachin corridor, a peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is deployed in the amount of 1960 military personnel with small arms, 90 armored personnel carriers, 380 units of automobile and special equipment.
4. The peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is deployed in parallel with the withdrawal of the Armenian armed forces. The term of stay of the Russian peacekeeping contingent is 5 years with automatic extension for the next five-year periods, if none of the parties declares 6 months before the expiration of the period of intention to terminate the application of this provision.
5. In order to increase the effectiveness of control over the implementation of the agreements by the parties to the conflict, a peacekeeping center is being deployed to control the ceasefire.
6. The Republic of Armenia will return the Kelbajar region to Azerbaijan by November 15, 2020, and the Lachin region by December 1, 2020, leaving behind the Lachin corridor (5 km wide), which will ensure the connection of Nagorno-Karabakh with Armenia and at the same time will not affect the cities of Shusha.
By agreement of the parties, in the next three years, a plan for the construction of a new traffic route along the Lachin corridor will be determined, providing communication between Khankendi and Armenia, with the subsequent redeployment of the Russian peacekeeping contingent to protect this route. The Republic of Azerbaijan guarantees the safety of traffic along the Lachin corridor of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions.
7. Internally displaced persons and refugees return to the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh and adjacent areas under the control of the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees.
8. The exchange of prisoners of war and other detainees and bodies of the dead is carried out.
9. All economic and transport links in the region are unblocked. The Republic of Armenia provides transport links between the western regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic in order to organize the unimpeded movement of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions. Control over transport communication is carried out by the border service of the FSB of Russia.
By agreement of the parties, construction of new transport communications linking the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic with the western regions of Azerbaijan will be ensured.

https://www.azerisport.com/m/news/20201110032556317.html

[NTD]

Quote: OrangeBigg

https://www.azerisport.com/m/news/20201110032556317.html

Complete surrender of Armenia. 5 years is not enough. It is necessary to keep the peacekeepers for at least 25 years.

[forty-eighth]

Judging by the published text of the agreement, if Azerbaijan asks our peacekeepers to leave in 5 years, we are obliged to obey.

[Orange bigg]

And so it will be, or do you have doubts about this? As with Gabala, where we used to have a base.

[Rubina]

Gabala has become an unnecessary expense for Russia. New technologies work over longer distances and the Russian base in Dagestan is coping with the tasks of the Gabala base, which is no longer needed

[NTD]

Quote: forty-eighth

Judging by the published text of the agreement, if Azerbaijan asks our peacekeepers to leave in 5 years, we are obliged to obey.

this will lie sideways for Azerbaijan. I do not think. Only Russian troops can stop the bloodshed. Turks and Azerbaijanis will not talk to them.

[Vadim_888]

... this will lie sideways for Azerbaijan. I do not think. Only Russian troops can stop the bloodshed. Turks and Azerbaijanis will not talk to them.

It will not fit him in any way, someone naively believes that Arzeibajan will curtail the work of the Syrian proxies in Karabakh? Oh well

[forty-eighth]

Quote: MTN

this will lie sideways for Azerbaijan. I do not think. Only Russian troops can stop the bloodshed. Turks and Azerbaijanis will not talk to them.

Politicians rarely think about bloodshed. But the Turkish contingent will receive legal status, and a transport corridor to Nakhichevan will be provided. To me, this is precisely what a brilliant diplomatic victory consists of. Under such conditions, the territory of Karabakh itself fade into the background.

[Boris Chernikov]

yeah ... it didn't work out for Moldovans and Georgians

[Krasnodar]

Quote: forty-eighth

Judging by the published text of the agreement, if Azerbaijan asks our peacekeepers to leave in 5 years, we are obliged to obey.

Item 4 - in four and a half years

[forty-eighth]

Yes, I agree. I deliberately took liberty in the wording, but you caught me.

[carstorm 11]

I sometimes wonder people ... 30 years ago you lost today to them. where did you get the idea that in 25 years they won’t win again?) after all, it was precisely because of this mood and because of this bravado that Armenia received it. some kind of prezidurik will come to you and bury everything, and you yourself know how easy it is.

[Orange bigg]

As if the other day the new prime minister did not come and do not care. These are the moods of Armenians now.

The editor-in-chief of the RT TV channel Margarita Simonyan reacted very sharply to the signing of a statement on the conditions for ending the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, within the framework of which Yerevan made significant concessions. She cursed the Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan.

Burn in hell, ! Burn in hell, ! Burn in hell, ! - she wrote in her Telegram channel.

Simonyan explained that such a mood currently reigns in Yerevan, on Pashinyan's Facebook page, as well as in her kitchen.

https://news-ru.turbopages.org/news.ru/s/cis/gori-v-adu-simonyan-prokommentirovala-soglashenie-po-karabahu/

[Boris Chernikov]

peacekeepers violet who will be next there at the helm ... not to mention the fact that ours will try to get a pro-Russian Armenian to come to power

[KKND]

Quote: carstorm 11

Will they not win again for 25 years?

What 25 there after 5 can ask. And where will Armenia accumulate military equipment in 5 years? Russia will share?

[carstorm 11]

depending on who is at the helm of the country. why not? Our Pashinyan frankly completely showed they are not going to defend.

[KKND]

That is, if there (Armenia) there is a pro-Russian politician, we must supply several tens of billions of dollars worth of equipment in 5 years (we will definitely not limit ourselves to a couple of billions) )? At whose expense will the banquet be?

[carstorm 11]

well, it would rather help to carry out a complete reorganization of the Armed Forces. and they will pay. because it is necessary) not so much, of course, but it is possible and according to the means there to change everything to something more effective.

[KKND]

Quote: carstorm 11

and they will pay. because it is necessary)

Well, yes Kardashian will help.

Quote: carstorm 11

well, it would rather help to carry out a complete reorganization of the Armed Forces.

Reorganization is simply transferring money from one pocket to another (I'm not talking about bribes, but about the physical movement of money). If there is no money and nothing to sell, then only begging, that's all.
And Azerbaijan should spit at the ceiling for 5 years and do nothing. In addition, the battlefield for Azerbaijan remained, and this is equipment, spare parts, fortifications, etc. etc.

[carstorm 11]

otherwise, a big top with equipment standing in an open field cannot be changed))) there the commanders of the units, in my opinion, do not quite understand what they are doing.

[Ramzaj99]

Well then. Azerbaijan can be congratulated. They really showed that preparation is the answer.
And I really would be sincerely happy for Azerbaijan if they did not spoil everything with the last chord ...

[vVvAD]

This text is original and suffers from inaccuracies and incompleteness.
Here is a link to the finally signed version of the agreement https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/11/2020/5fa9c09c9a79471813bed754?from=from_main_4 and an article on the topic containing 3 versions of the text: https://www.rbc.ru/ politics / 10/11/2020 / 5fa9b4249a794714efa5ea83

[Civil]

Quote: Lesovik

If everything continued at the same pace, then within a few days we would lose all of Artsakh.

The Armenians lost it, as they are going to protect the population from cleansing if the troops are to be completely withdrawn. Better to fight to the end.

[Alien From]

You will not envy the people of Karabakh.

[vkl.47]

The nose is a bumpy, horseradish club.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Lesovik

According to Harutyunyan, many settlements have already been lost, and the fighting was going on 2 km from Stepanakert. From the statement of the head of Artsakh:
If everything continued at the same pace, then within a few days we would lose all of Artsakh.

Well, at least someone soberly assessed what was happening ...

This is not the same Harutunyan who promised last stand and wouldn't give up an inch?

[Megatron]

Opposite the Foreign Ministry

[Artavazdych]

It looks like photoshop.
And I would add here the murdered Russian ambassador, the killed Russian pilots, the downed passenger plane in 2015. We remember everything, unlike the government

[Runoway]

And the IL-20 with which the Jews covered themselves

[Artavazdych]

Yes, yes, I already forgot it

[bogart047]

what noses are funny ...

[Terrible_L.]

Eagle noses. And the eagle is a bird of prey

[air defense]

Carrion vultures also have the same

[Dimy4]

what noses are funny ...

The plow is inverted, the land is plowed. Well, who has what associations are true.

[Trapp1st]

From the very beginning of the conflict, Ankara does not hide its support for one of its sides.

UAV operators Turks, so it is not about support but direct participation in the war.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Trapp1st

From the very beginning of the conflict, Ankara does not hide its support for one of its sides.

UAV operators Turks, so it is not about support but direct participation in the war.

Frontline operators or advisers, or PMCs? Is there infa? After all, if not from combat units, then there can be no question of any participation of the Turkish armed forces. Was the USSR at war with the USA?

[Trapp1st]

Frontline operators or advisers, or PMCs?

The VChK does not have such aviation and no one will give it to them, respectively, there are no operators, the military can counterattack.

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: Trapp1st

Frontline operators or advisers, or PMCs?

The VChK does not have such aviation and no one will give it to them, respectively, there are no operators, the military can counterattack.

The option with a vacationer and with "volunteer specialists" is not being considered? It seems that it was already in history, and "you will not prikopeshsya".

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Trapp1st

Frontline operators or advisers, or PMCs?

The VChK does not have such aviation and no one will give it to them, respectively, there are no operators, the military can counterattack.

Where did you get such information that there is no UAV and no one will give them, share the source. And what PMC are you talking about, name the name

[Alexander Galaktionov]

So the Turks planned this military operation and it was very successful, and plus the weapons purchased from Israel by Azerbaijan, plus Turkey's intelligence

[iouris]

... and at the table. Erdogan no longer needs Aliyev. Pashinyan was not going to win the war, he meant Karabakh, and the fighting lasted more than two months. Armenia either joins the Russian Federation or disappears. Something like this.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: iouris

... and at the table. Erdogan no longer needs Aliyev. Pashinyan was not going to win the war, he meant Karabakh, and the fighting lasted more than two months. Armenia either joins the Russian Federation or disappears. Something like this.

Chatter. And we don't need Armenia as part of the Russian Federation, let them solve their own problems

[iouris]

Quote: Vol4ara

Chatter. And we don't need Armenia as part of the Russian Federation, let them solve their own problems

Do you need Khabarovsk?

[vitvit123]

Khabarovsk is needed, but Armenia is not needed. And that Khabarovsk and Armenia are equal subjects for you? Will you feed Armenia? In general, it is not clear why we need it, and even the field of anti-Russian demonstration actions.

[iouris]

Quote: vitvit123

Khabarovsk is needed, but Armenia is not needed.

But some believe that there are too many subsidized regions, while others - that there is enough to feed Moscow, etc. We already went through all this in the late USSR. Result: war of all against all, no one got better, Erdogans climb into the country. Why did you have to send troops to Armenia and Karabakh, at your expense, if you don't need anything?

[vitvit123]

Khabarovsk is our country. Do you also consider who is subsidized in your family? There is no need to substitute circumstances. Armenia is beggar neighbors, why should they support them when they go wherever they can and cannot without it? And what did you have to send troops to Karabakh? They would have received wages and so on without it. , the fact that they will now be paid more to someone is not serious on a national scale. In some situations this may take place, in this situation, it's not about anything at all, you don't need an owl on the globe ... This is stupidity, ...

[Evil543]

Spit, why are they to us? There are already herds of them here

[iouris]

Quote: Evil543

There are already herds of them here

That's it. Armenia is Russia. And Azerbaijan. Well, or Turkey. But Erdogan has plans for all of Russia, including Kherson and Yakutia. Crimea by itself.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: iouris

Quote: Evil543

There are already herds of them here

That's it. Armenia is Russia. And Azerbaijan. Well, or Turkey. But Erdogan has plans for all of Russia, including Kherson and Yakutia. Crimea by itself.

It seems to me that not everything is in order with you, you need to either get drunk or seriously think about your worldview, it’s not long and you’ll go to the hospital, and this is no joke

[Comrade I]

There is some truth here, but not on such a scale, of course. Turks dream of their empire with control of almost all Turkic peoples and their territories.

[iouris]

Quote: Comrade Y

Turks dream of their empire

The Turks may be dreaming, but behind Erdogan (and Aliyev) is MI6, the Americans. These guys do not dream, but calculate well. You really need Iran to be gouged out from the territory of Azerbaijan and Armenia, then Russia.

[Comrade I]

So I'm not saying that I need it. On the contrary, we also have our own Turkic peoples with a rich and ancient history, which should be used to occupy a leading position in the Turkic world.

[vitvit123]

Quote: Vol4ara

It seems to me that not everything is in order with you, you need to either get drunk or seriously think about your worldview, it’s not long and you’ll go to the hospital, and this is no joke

I fully support.

[Pilot]

Quote: Evil543

Spit, why are they to us? There are already herds of them here

In Moscow for 2020, out of 11 million of the population, 4% are Armenians, 14% are Azerbaijanis - this is so, for information.
ps I was more upset by the fact that there are only 31% of Russians (Slavs) in the capital !!!

[Thrifty]

Let it be so for the Armenians this is anyway the best option, of those that could be calculated. The second option is the complete loss of the entire Karabakh, and internal Armenian riots, which are growing into another color revolution! Let them be glad that the war is for now, but I hope that it is completely over, that there will be no more coffins in someone's homes with children from both sides killed in this war.

[Tank jacket]

Outplayed everyone Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. He made him sign a truce and brought in a peacekeeping contingent. Sorosians in Armenia immediately tried to make riots, beat the speaker of the Armenian parliament and broke into the government building.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Tank jacket

Outplayed everyone Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

Where did Russia win?
Loss of Mi-24 and crew?

[Tank jacket]

Why should I explain to you? You only have a helicopter in your head and is it more important than Russia's interests?

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Tank jacket

Why should I explain to you? Do you only have a helicopter more important than Russia's interests?

Probably because it is easier to "do it" than to think with your head.
And what are Russia's interests in the failure of the Armenian defense of Artsakh and the victory of Azerbaijan and Turkey?

[Tank jacket]

Maybe in the stabilization of the soft underbelly of Russia? Did it occur to you? Or just a helicopter?

[Vadim_888]

... Maybe in the stabilization of the soft underbelly of Russia?

Is the appearance of jihadist terrorists on Russia's borders called stabilization? And what about the dzhekhadists at a long distance?

[Tank jacket]

Are you twisting? Many jihadists still in Idlib were repeatedly bombed before being loaded into Karabakh? Have you introduced the contingent?

[Hypertension]

Quote: Tank jacket

Maybe in the stabilization of the soft underbelly of Russia?

Good stabilization! 4/5 of the NKR territory belongs to the Azeri-Turks. The remaining 1/5 will also gradually go away within 10 years.

[Tank jacket]

I answered above ... Instead of Turkey, there will be an Anatolian Federal District within the Russian Federation. Edik helps.

[Hypertension]

Are you talking about jihadists? So to breed this infection - one spit.

[Tank jacket]

As well as dispose of ammunition with expiring shelf life juice. Thanks to the developers of Hephaestus.

[Hypertension]

They were bombed in Syria, on the distant approaches, but in the end they were closer. Excellent HPP you will not say anything.

[Tank jacket]

Tell me, then in more detail about the cunning plan of an oval or ksyushadi across Karabakh

[Hypertension]

Quote: Tank jacket

Tell me, then in more detail about the cunning plan of an oval or ksyushadi across Karabakh

What have these to do with it? They do not decide anything, and do not influence anything in geopolitics. We have a president and a supreme commander in chief - Putin. It was also necessary to weave oval and hayloft to Karabakh ...

[Tank jacket]

Well, maybe you have a smarter plan than bringing in peacekeepers for five years and taking control of the order to stop the bloodshed?

[Hypertension]

Something you throw arrows in all directions, like Cupid. Or is it not clear to you what should be asked from each according to his position? There are a lot of plans. Napoleon on every sofa. But plans can only be realized "there," in the Kremlin. Therefore, questions to them.

[KKND]

Quote: Tank jacket

Why should I explain to you?

You don't have to explain anything to anyone. Especially if such nonsense is extremely difficult to explain.

[Evil543]

Maybe he presented it with a fact? Is that why they didn't know about the column?

[DAQ]

Where did Russia win?
Loss of Mi-24 and crew

Was this mi 24 flying there by chance?
According to the Azeri side, Russian turntables have never flown there before. In addition, he flew into the raft to the border. Maybe this is a provocation, and then an instrument of pressure on Aliyev. And it all happened at the right time. Shushi fell, there were battles 2 km from Stepanakert, cut off from Armenia. It was the seams. The Armenians were really losing. And suddenly Aliyev signed a floor agreement. What for? He could continue to advance, or he was strongly pressed, the reason appeared on time.

Wangyu: Pashinyan will not win the next elections.

[Radius]

[quote = Nasdaq] [quote]

Wangyu: Pashinyan will not win the next elections. [/ Quote]
There is not enough room for him in Armenia now.

[maktub]

I absolutely agree and I think that the "helicopter" is not a provocation, but a "special operation" to put pressure on Baku

[sustav75]

And he outplayed the guys with the Mi-24 ?! Putin launched the Turks in Karabakh! And this will be the new Idlib! New training bases! Our peacekeepers have been allocated a small territory of demarcation! The rest will be supported by Azerbaijanis (Turks) with all the ensuing consequences ...

[private person]

Putin launched the Turks in Karabakh! And this will be the new Idlib!

Ay, if that Karabakh is not a territory not recognized by anyone. And the "brave Armenian guys" launched the Turks there. Russia does not even have a border with NK.

[sustav75]

There is no border with Syria either! There, many problems are solved by our specialists! When it is successful and when it is not very good! Why do we need another hearth with vile Turks in Karabakh? Unclear! And if, then, the Armenians are much weaker than the Turks and Azerbaijanis! They would not have kept Karabakh! After the shot down helicopter, we had a lot of trump cards! But, as always, they took the minimum benefits! On Turkish and Azerbaijani forum sites, they are shouting about the victory of the Turanian Turks over weak Russia! And they say that this is just the beginning ...

[private person]

After the downed helicopter, we had a lot of trump cards!

What are the trump cards? Throwing "Calibres" on Azerbaijan, Karabakh and Armenia? Now, if now someone wants to fight with the peacekeepers, they will get theirs. Since the peacekeepers cannot be touched and no one will be against it. And so there are more questions than answers what our turntable was doing in this place.

[sustav75]

What does the caliber have to do with it? Trump cards in the discussion of the further development of the situation in the NKR.

[private person]

Trump cards in the discussion of the further development of the situation in the NKR.

So we agreed. DBs were terminated, peacekeepers were introduced. NKR was divided between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Or do you think that Azerbaijanis would leave the occupied territories?

[sustav75]

The buffer territories, squeezed out by the Armenians in due time and so should belong to Az-nu! But what a devil the Turks have entered there! Now they will officially shit there.

[private person]

Now they will officially shit there.
Russia does not border on Armenia and NK. And if it comes to that, the Turks can, as you put it, shit from the territory of Azerbaijan with which the Russian Federation has a border.

[Boris Chernikov]

and this will already be the problem of Bakuvians, attempts to fight against the peacekeepers will end badly ... and Baku understands this

[Petro_tut]

this will already be a problem for the Bakuvians, attempts to fight against the peacekeepers will end badly .. and Baku understands this

And what, the peacekeepers will be able to completely control the whole of Karabakh, or will they still stand along the line of Shushi-lache, there are about 2000 of them for the whole of Karabakh?

[Boris Chernikov]

2 for several districts? More than, provided that our military base is nearby, which will most likely be strengthened in the near future ..

[Blackmokona]

You would decide there cospyrologists, Sorosyats are in power in Armenia, or who wants to throw them Sorosyats

[Tank jacket]

I do not see a contradiction ... There are dark examples in history, even in the latest. And where does the conspiracy thesis that Soros does not sponsor the protests?

[Blackmokona]

Soros twisting protests is the same cospirology as Gates conducting chipping.
For now, cospyrologists are telling how secretly they will put chips through vaccines to everyone.
Elon Musk directly states that he will implant chips in everyone for a lot of money. And the world is applauding and queuing up for chips

[Tank jacket]

Huh, so in Poland people really burned flares for a week because of the abortion bans?

[Blackmokona]

So the Church is against abortion, which is very strong in Poland. Soros is generally a forest here.
And people really do not like the ban on abortion. It's simple

[Tank jacket]

You are a happy person ... Everything is so simple with you ...

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Tank jacket

Outplayed everyone Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. He made him sign a truce and brought in a peacekeeping contingent. Sorosians in Armenia immediately tried to make riots, beat the speaker of the Armenian parliament and broke into the government building.

Let's see what happens tonight ...

[forty-eighth]

Quote: Tank jacket

Outplayed everyone Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

No matter how much you say "halva" in your mouth will not become sweeter.

[Buka001]

I agree with you, this is definitely true. It remains to cleanse Armenia from Soros's henchmen and that's it. The Caucasus is safe and sound and under Mother Russia, as always!

[Dave36]

Our Turntable was brought down by the Azerbaijanis ... what is there to understand ... I would like to tell the main thing, although .. what can I say ... Salvage wins everything ... Rejep's friend's gateway apparently taught ... Shame ...

[Runoway]

By itself!! THERE WILL NOT BE ANY "RESPONSE" FOR A KILLED HELICOPTER !!!! Get sofas out of action

The Turks got away with it without apologies, and even more so, "the rapist apologized, the bride's honor was restored.
You can justify yourself as much as you like by the peace that has come, and "if only there is no war"
But you can't argue against the facts:
- if the helicopter were American or Israeli, then after the incident Karabakh would have become either natively American or Israeli territory

-NOR'S FOREIGN POLICY
even under Medvedev, the Georgians were openly hammered and there were NO SANCTIONS

[Arlen]

With this power, we do not respond to "partners" to their aggressive actions.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Runoway

even under Medvedev, Georgians were openly pounded

You said as if Medvedev was deciding something in the war 08.08.2008

[Runoway]

Indeed, he made a decision. But this is all kaluars, the fact remains, they gave it on the snatch and no sanctions followed, and now ...

[Boris Chernikov]

about the mi-24, as it were, there will be a separate conversation ... or they will put rams with anti-aircraft guns, or someone with an aquiline nose will lose business in Moscow for billions

[Runoway]

Nobody will lose, because there are many from the Azeri business who have a stigma in the gun, as well as from Turkish tomatoes and tourism
Moreover, business is little things, it is more important to prohibit money transfers.

[Boris Chernikov]

and here businessmen will not decide ..

[sustav75]

He meant that at this time a temporary pad was sitting on the throne! That's all

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Runoway

By itself!! THERE WILL NOT BE ANY "RESPONSE" FOR A KILLED HELICOPTER !!!! Get sofas out of action

The Turks got away with it without apologies, and even more so, "the rapist apologized, the bride's honor was restored.
You can justify yourself as much as you like by the peace that has come, and "if only there is no war"
But you can't argue against the facts:
- if the helicopter were American or Israeli, then after the incident Karabakh would have become either natively American or Israeli territory

-NOR'S FOREIGN POLICY
even under Medvedev, the Georgians were openly hammered and there were NO SANCTIONS

Don't confuse horseradish with a finger.
If there was an American helicopter, and even more so if there was an American base, and maybe even several American bases and, in addition, an American boat, then ... - nothing would have happened, just as there was nothing to Iran after the launching of missile strikes on the bases of amers in Iraq and the hijacking of a boat in the Persian Gulf.
You are too stupid if you think that it is worth starting a war because of a helicopter shot down by mistake, it's good that your ambitions do not extend beyond the sofa

[Runoway]

The war does not need to be unleashed, but you need to put the mongrel in place, at least, so that the rest would not even think about aggression towards Russia
Azerbaijan was not afraid of war by hitting our helicopter

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Runoway

The war does not need to be unleashed, but you need to put the mongrel in place, at least, so that the rest would not even think about aggression towards Russia
Azerbaijan was not afraid of war by hitting our helicopter

The drg soldiers hit by mistake, mistaking the turntable for Armenian

[Dave36]

You do not write nonsense .....

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Dave36

You do not write nonsense .....

Justify. Thesis without facts and justification for me that the wind, idle chatter

[Dave36]

Let's start with the fact that to catch a crocodile in a MANPADS is to know its route .. to know the range of the shot. This is a special operation. Further, an attack by an Armenian ship on the territory of Armenia is a risk of a strike by Russian troops (CSTO obligations ... although I would have dismissed it for its uselessness) ... Moreover, a provocation without losing ... either Russia will be drawn in, or everyone has a signal, the lion has a cowardly heart. ... Everything is as clear as day ..

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Dave36

Let's start with the fact that to catch a crocodile in a MANPADS is to know its route .. to know the range of the shot. This is a special operation. Further, an attack by an Armenian ship on the territory of Armenia is a risk of a strike by Russian troops (CSTO obligations ... although I would have dismissed it for its uselessness) ... Moreover, a provocation without losing ... either Russia will be drawn in, or everyone has a signal, the lion has a cowardly heart. ... Everything is as clear as day ..

If the turntable were Armenian, then Azerbaijan would never have confessed and the Armenians would have proved this version before the second coming, this would have no consequences for the Russian Federation

[Dave36]

CSTO dead

[Runway]

When it got dark outside your window yesterday?
In the "night light" signs of state ownership are visible?
The wine is mutual for both Armenians and Azerbaijanis. The latter admitted. The Armenians will "reward posthumously."
Now begins hemorrhoids called the line of demarcation. And shoots in the back of l / s posts. And not from the Azerbaijanis, however.
Hold out for 4,5 years and leave, transferring the territory of Baku.

[Runoway]

They are fighting for the disputed territories, the convoy did not move through the disputed territory!
And by mistake it was necessary to send the guys from Masdok for a pinpoint strike at the location of the headquarters, which led those who made a mistake.
In the American style, when they shot down the SAR plane "he threatened our military"
And then mutual apologies "we misunderstood each other"
In general, there are again a lot of questions to our military, as it was, the hype, that Oleg Peshkov's su-24, working without fighter cover, and where was the reconnaissance when the Turkish paparazzi were waiting for the incident with cameras and anti-aircraft
So where is the work of reconnaissance, and what kind of cover for the column, which can be removed at a time, at least there should be a leader and a follower, and where are the reports that the second turntable was fired at the location of the MANPADS ??

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Runoway

They are fighting for the disputed territories, the convoy did not move through the disputed territory!

and? can't you hit on the rear?

Quote: Runoway

And by mistake it was necessary to send the guys from Masdok for a pinpoint strike at the location of the headquarters, which led those who made a mistake.

There is no such city by mistake. Or by mistake you have 2 mistakes in one word, sit down two.

Otherwise, I agree

[Cron]

Quote: Runoway

By itself!! THERE WILL NOT BE ANY "RESPONSE" FOR A KILLED HELICOPTER !!!! Get sofas out of action

The Turks got away with it without apologies, and even more so, "the rapist apologized, the bride's honor was restored.
You can justify yourself as much as you like by the peace that has come, and "if only there is no war"
But you can't argue against the facts:
- if the helicopter were American or Israeli, then after the incident Karabakh would have become either natively American or Israeli territory

-NOR'S FOREIGN POLICY
even under Medvedev, the Georgians were openly hammered and there were NO SANCTIONS

I think they've got all of Lebanon in their hands

[Vadim_888]

... -NOR'S FOREIGN POLICY
even under Medvedev, the Georgians were openly hammered and there were NO SANCTIONS

It's nice at least sometimes to read the truth, and sound comments

[Thrifty]

The Sultan, as always, in our role, we won, but this is my merit! What would you do again without Russia - then count the bodies of your dead?

[Blackmokona]

They would have taken all of Artsakh and so it could be seen judging by the advance of the Azerbaijani troops

[rotmistr60]

Well, these "brothers" will now sing praises to each other for a long time. "The cuckoo praises the rooster for praising the cuckoo" (Krylov).

We were and remain one people with Azerbaijan, we have one heart with our Azerbaijani brothers

As if in the end the unexpected happened in the form of the wording corrected by the Turks in: "One country, two peoples", and one is on the sidelines and is a catch.

[ccsr]

If everything continued at the same pace, then within a few days we would lose all of Artsakh.

The Armenians are likely to lose him anyway, if not now, but over time. The won war only strengthened the Azerbaijani elite in their thoughts that it is possible to return all of Karabakh, it is only necessary to prepare more carefully for the war. Taking into account the financial capabilities of Azerbaijan and the length of stay of our peacekeeping troops, I assume that the Azerbaijani generals will receive carte blanche for re-equipping the army in the next financial year. So now we only see the first act, but the second act will begin in five years, and maybe even earlier, if Turkey wants to give loans for the purchase of weapons and the training of the Azerbaijani military.

[NTD]

Quote: ccsr

Armenians are likely to lose him anyway

They have already lost.

Also, the statement contains timetable for the withdrawal of Armenian troops from the Azerbaijani territories remaining under occupation. Aghdam region and territories held by the Armenian side in the Gazakh region of the Republic of Azerbaijan shall be returned to Azerbaijan until November 20

[ccsr]

Quote: MTN

They have already lost.

Dream. You still do not know what awaits Nagorno-Karabakh, if the new US administration wants to get Armenian Kosovo in the Caucasus - then the Azerbaijanis will quickly be brought under control, hinting at the arrest of the foreign assets of their elite.

[Vadim_888]

It's too late to drink Borjomi when the kidney was cut out

[maktub]

First of all, Turkey won (there will be a legitimate contingent in the Caucasus)
Azerbaijan did not fully solve the problem, although it returned part of the territory
Armenia lost half of its territory, equipment, weapons, but keeping part of the NKAO under control
I'm not talking about loss of life
Russia seems to have increased its military presence in the region, but it is not clear what will happen in Armenia itself with a 102 base
I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth, thoughts out loud

[private person]

Russia seems to have increased its military presence in the region, but it is not clear what will happen

Both sides will do different things.

[maktub]

I agree. Imagine what will happen, from Azerbaijan there will be a flow of immigrants to their old place of residence and "refugees" will return from Armenia to the same places and houses. Conflicts are inevitable, and if you take into account how many weapons there are now !!! Everyone will get it

[Ryazan87]

1. Turkey's success is beyond doubt. They had no problems with a legitimate presence in Azerbaijan. They achieved something else: they firmly ("blood") tied Azerbaijan to themselves - in fact, a Turkish protectorate, provided a direct land corridor (of course, only for a peaceful period, but nevertheless) from Nakhichevan, advertised their weapons and established themselves as an effective military ally. There is nothing to say about the issues of prestige - 1.5 months of fighting gave something that 30 years of negotiations could not give.
2. Azerbaijan received most of Karabakh and created all the necessary military prerequisites for the final solution of this issue in the next decade (I think, much faster). A bloody but short and successful war - it will bring considerable domestic capital for Mr. Aliyev.
3. Armenia not "half", but devastatingly lost. Karabakh is lost - without troops, with supplies along a narrow corridor 5 km wide - in which case, the military seizure of the remaining lands will take several days. It also turned out that the Armenian army at the moment cannot fight on an equal footing with the army of Azerbaijan, there are no real allies, resources for rearmament too (the army is at best at the level of the 90s). There are also a lot of purely military questions about tactics, officer training, and the adequacy of arms purchases.
4. Russia has put 2000 soldiers with light weapons in an enclave surrounded by Turks and Azerbaijanis. In the event of a real exacerbation, it will be unrealistic to help them. This is not an increase in the military presence, but some kind of hostage taking. Plus the additional cost burden (all supplies from Russia are by air only). Little Khmeimim, to which the Turkish artillery can finish off.
The only bonus is that we didn't get into an open war.
On the whole, the zugzwang situation is beginning to dominate in almost all foreign policy activities of the Russian Federation. How not to do it - everything is bad. We are now waiting for Ukrainian events.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Ryazanets87

We are now waiting for the Ukrainian events.

Probably there will be progress in Syria. Further strengthening of Turkey in Central Asia. Russia allowed the beginning of a new Karabakh war, this is the main defeat. All options are bad now. It would be even worse if Azerbaijan resolved all issues by military means. On the other hand, he would not have received a corridor to Nakhichevan. How these agreements will be fulfilled is the second question, but now there is a complete military and political victory of the Azerbaijani-Turkish coalition.
This solution is the best of the worst solutions for Russia, nothing more.

[maktub]

On the 3rd point I disagree a little.
Armenia saved itself from total defeat in NKAO and retained part of its territory

[Ryazan87]

Armenia protected itself from total defeat in NKAO

Military defeat - obviously the loss of fortified areas, complete withdrawal of troops, see paragraph 4 of the agreements: "... The peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is deployed in parallel with the withdrawal of the Armenian armed forces."
In principle, Azerbaijan should be happy with this - the Armenian troops will leave the remaining territory without fighting, the civilian population, too, of course. There is no need to carry out any cleaning. And there will be a dozen Armenians left, well, for them it is possible to declare cultural autonomy, to show the world how civilized we are.
Taking into account the loss of Shushi, Stepanakert is a plucked fruit.

[maktub]

The problem will remain, only in other boundaries

[Ryazan87]

A withered enclave without troops and soon without a population (there you can only be left out of complete hopelessness) and on a thin supply line - from a military point of view, this is no longer a problem.
Well, the peacekeepers will stand for a while, and then we look at the text of the agreement:
"The duration of the stay of the peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is 5 years with automatic extension for the next 5-year periods, if none of the Parties notifies 6 months before the expiration of the period of intention to terminate the application of this provision."
Well, after 4.5 years, Azerbaijan declares that it intends to terminate the agreement. AND? what to do? To land troops in Baku or shoot Aliyev's bunker with "Calibers"? At that moment, when 2 thousand Russian soldiers will be surrounded by the positions of the Turkish-Azerbaijani troops.
R.S. but at the moment, there were simply no good moves for Russia. Except that he didn’t climb at all, but after the destruction of the helicopter it would also look somehow doubtful.

[flicker]

The helicopter is an attempt to break agreements. Someone they are like a bone in the throat.

[Pereira]

I have always said that Karabakh should belong to the one who needs it most. And those who need more should better fight.
As it turned out, Azerbaijan needs it more. Now all that remains is to congratulate Aliyev and tell Pashinyan the sacramental phrase - What, did your Soros help you?
Erdogan, as it turned out, is cooler than Soros.

[flicker]

Turkish Foreign Minister: Azerbaijan won both on the battlefields and at the negotiating table

Victory on the battlefield - yes.
This happened because the Armenian diaspora in the United States (very strongly influencing the policy of Armenia) believed the West that it would recognize the independence of Karabakh.
Believing, they stopped preparing for war.
Like, we have an influential diaspora in the USA that will solve the problem of Karabakh's independence, the diaspora says that the West has promised.
---
Promising to get married is not the same thing.
The West abandoned the Armenian diaspora.
***
And "at the negotiating table" it was possible to stop the complete defeat of Armenian Karabakh, the death of young Armenians (by the way, the best), and at least somehow localize the mistakes of the diaspora that arose from the deception of the West.
---
Pashinyan, in this situation, chose the best solution, corrected the mistakes of the "influential Armenian diaspora."

[Renator]

Azerbaijan won both on the battlefield and at the negotiating table
For me personally, the winner here is Russia at first glance.

[flicker]

Turkish Foreign Minister: Azerbaijan won both on the battlefields and at the negotiating table

It is reported that the agreements on Karabakh (which entered into force) were discussed before the incident with the Russian helicopter.
What does this mean?
That someone was extremely dissatisfied with these agreements.
And, perhaps, the helicopter was seen as an excuse to end the agreements.
---
Question: who was not satisfied with this?
Who could influence the air defense of Azerbaijan in Nakhichevan?

[maktub]

Or vice versa, "helicopter" as an excuse to start the implementation of the agreement

[Master]

Quote from rudolf

I don't quite understand the benefits of the agreement for Baku. In a few days or weeks, all of Karabakh would be in their hands and with minimal losses. After that, we could give Stepanakert moderate autonomy from a broad lordly shoulder, preserve the Armenian language as a regional language and up to the introduction of international police forces under the auspices of the UN following the example of Kosovo for the same 5 years. The campaign is simply Aliyev's concession to Putin for the displayed neutrality. But whether it is profitable for us to keep peacekeepers there, I'm not sure. The behavior of Armenians is now unpredictable.

Well, actually, nobody gave Khankendi to Armenia. Rather, Karabakh will be an autonomous republic within Azerbaijan. But without Shushi

[Lvalentine]

The status of Karabakh (NK) is not defined in the statement. Thus, the status will be determined by Azerbaijan. Most likely a referendum, but first the return of refugees. NK has the right, according to the UN definition, to return from 40000 to 80000 Azerbaijanis from the territory of Azerbaijan. From the territory of the Republic of Armenia there are only citizens of Azerbaijan of Armenian nationality, about 5000-6000. And what will be the result of the referendum?

[Master]

Quote: Lvalentin

The status of Karabakh (NK) is not defined in the statement. Thus, the status will be determined by Azerbaijan. Most likely a referendum, but first the return of refugees. NK has the right, according to the UN definition, to return from 40000 to 80000 Azerbaijanis from the territory of Azerbaijan. From the territory of the Republic of Armenia there are only citizens of Azerbaijan of Armenian nationality, about 5000-6000. And what will be the result of the referendum?

There will be no referendum. Aliyev said at the very beginning that there was no referendum. I think the maximum will be cultural autonomy. As previously suggested

[opuonmed]

Russia denies Aliyev's words about Turkish peacekeepers in Karabakh

[Vadim_888]

... Russia denies Aliyev's words about Turkish peacekeepers in Karabakh

This is for the domestic Russian consumer

[opuonmed]

Quote: Vadim_888

... Russia denies Aliyev's words about Turkish peacekeepers in Karabakh

This is for the domestic Russian consumer

everything can be

[Catfish]

Damn, well, profiles - just brothers and nothing more.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Eagles! And they smile like that ... Almost sincerely ...

[flicker]

And they smile like that ... Almost sincerely ...

The one on the right is sincere, and the one on the left suspected something, but is trying to hide

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Tank jacket

Outplayed everyone Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. He made him sign a truce and brought in a peacekeeping contingent. Sorosians in Armenia immediately tried to make riots, beat the speaker of the Armenian parliament and broke into the government building.

Uh-huh. Bend your fingers where you even outplayed.
1) Zeroed the CSTO. (however, I did not believe in the reality of this organization before)
1.1. Or who believes that after what happened, Armenians can be counted on in the CSTO?
1.2. It shows exactly what kind of wars the CSTO is preparing for and how such conflicts end.
2) He let the "goat into the garden", i.e. Erdogan to the post-Soviet space, and in the status of a peacekeeper with the deployment of troops. Turkey's ally won, and Russia's ally was defeated, so who beat whom?
3) He outplayed everyone so much that he nullified his own propaganda about the destruction of terrorists on the distant approaches in Syria. Those. in Syria, in Idlib, you need to kill terrorists, and when the same Idlib people are already fighting in Transcaucasia, closer to the borders of the Russian Federation, then it is not necessary to wet them too much. (a separate question, where did they come from if we soaked them preventively in Syria). Or were they the right Idlib terrorists?
4) So he outplayed that the influence of Turkey is unambiguous, once again (after Idlib and Libya) has grown and Erdogan has already decided to fight a little in the zone, as previously it was considered exclusively the interests of the Russian Federation. Well, the influence of the Kremlin, once again ... was demonstrated in reality, and not in violent fantasies.

PS The ability of the Zaputin people (following the example of today's Kremlin) to find successes where they are not even close, was always surprising.

PPS As a Soviet person, I sympathize with both Armenians and Azerbaijanis who have lost loved ones in this war. I am bitter to see when my former compatriots once again, with ferocity, kill each other. And I'm not even trying to look for an answer to the question of who is the truth behind this war. Each of the peoples will have its own.

[Moskovit]

Did Azerbaijan attack Armenia? No, to the republic, which even Armenia itself did not recognize.

[Vadim_888]

... Did Azerbaijan attack Armenia? No, to the republic, which even Armenia itself did not recognize.
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Well, yes, Georgia tried the same to regain control over its territory, but Turkey did not stand behind it, and Russia did not have hot spots in Syria and Donbass.

[Moskovit]

Georgia attacked Russian peacekeepers. The leadership of South Ossetia and Abkhazia did not consist of US henchmen.

[flicker]

2) He let the "goat into the garden", i.e. Erdogan to the post-Soviet space, and in the status of a peacekeeper with the deployment of troops.

Interestingly, you suffered for a long time before writing this?
There will be no Turkish troops from the word at all !!!
Bummer you Russophobes.

[safar gafarov]

and whose Karabakh is now? By whose laws will people live?

[Vadim_888]

And who said that they will now live there?

[Cottager452]

Will there be fireworks and parades?

[Vadim237]

In Armenia now there is a parade and fireworks and broken faces - everything is like a holiday.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Buka001

I agree with you, this is definitely true. It remains to cleanse Armenia from Soros's henchmen and that's it. The Caucasus is safe and sound and under Mother Russia, as always!

First I put a minus. And then I changed it to PLUS when I appreciated your trolling.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Moskovit

Did Azerbaijan attack Armenia? No, to the republic, which even Armenia itself did not recognize.

I have not written anything on this topic at all. Each nation has its own truth. I only pointed out that the Russian Federation (or its yeteres) in this conflict does not even smell like any victory. Everything.

[opuonmed]

good fellows the Turks bent everyone and fortified there

[flicker]

well done Turks bent everyone and

and proudly departed.
This is so Turkish.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Statement by the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan, Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia and President of the Russian Federation
November 10 2020 years

11:45

We, the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan I. G. Aliyev, the Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia N. V. Pashinyan and the President of the Russian Federation V. V. Putin, have declared the following:

1. A complete ceasefire and all hostilities in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict are announced from 00:00 hours Moscow time on November 10, 2020. The Republic of Azerbaijan and the Republic of Armenia, hereinafter referred to as the Parties, stop at their positions.

2. The Aghdam region is returned to the Republic of Azerbaijan until November 20, 2020.

3. Along the contact line in Nagorno-Karabakh and along the Lachin corridor, a peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is deployed in the amount of 1960 military personnel with small arms, 90 armored personnel carriers, 380 units of automobile and special equipment.

4. The peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is being deployed in parallel with the withdrawal of the Armenian armed forces. The period of stay of the peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is 5 years with automatic extension for the next 5-year periods, if none of the Parties declares 6 months before the expiration of the period of intention to terminate the application of this provision.

5. In order to increase the effectiveness of control over the implementation of the agreements by the Parties to the conflict, a peacekeeping center is being deployed to control the ceasefire.

6. The Republic of Armenia shall return the Kelbajar region to the Republic of Azerbaijan by November 15, 2020, and the Lachin region by December 1, 2020. The Lachin corridor (5 km wide), which will ensure the connection of Nagorno-Karabakh with Armenia and at the same time will not affect the city of Shusha, remains under the control of the peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation.

By agreement of the Parties, in the next three years, a plan for the construction of a new route along the Lachin corridor will be determined, providing communication between Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia, with the subsequent redeployment of the Russian peacekeeping contingent to protect this route.

The Republic of Azerbaijan guarantees the safety of traffic along the Lachin corridor of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions.

7. Internally displaced persons and refugees are returning to the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh and adjacent areas under the control of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

8. The exchange of prisoners of war, hostages and other detainees and bodies of the dead is carried out.

9. All economic and transport links in the region are unblocked. The Republic of Armenia guarantees the safety of transport links between the western regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic in order to organize the unimpeded movement of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions. Transport control is exercised by the bodies of the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia.

By agreement of the Parties, the construction of new transport communications linking the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic with the western regions of Azerbaijan will be ensured ... well, yes, it is, thank you. a couple of Turkish staff officers in the "center" to save face.

[Gennady Fomkin]

They will take a couple for the household, sort the tomatoes Seriously though, it is likely that several people from the Turks as wedding generals will sit nearby. Aliyev is also squeezed, he most likely promised a lot to the Turks, and somehow now we need to show that the Turks are also wonderful trump cards. And yes, it is necessary to remind the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire about the national minority in neighboring countries like Bulgaria

[flicker]

most likely a few people from the Turks as wedding generals, sit nearby.

The Russian Foreign Ministry has already expressed its opinion on this topic: there will be no Turkish peacekeepers.
And Azerbaijan does not need them anymore either.
Well, yes, the Turks put their own special forces, but Azerbaijan, too, I think, paid them generously for this.
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From the outside it may seem that the Turks turned out to be the loser - but this is not so: thanks to the agreement reached, it was possible to disrupt the BLOODY SCENARIO for the states of the entire region (including Turkey) prescribed by the "peace-loving" West, in which the population of the states of this region was considered only as fuel for the ALL-DEATH FIRE.
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[Elephant]

Turks are still those instigators ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

They will take a couple for the household, sort the tomatoes Seriously though, it is likely that several people from the Turks as wedding generals will sit nearby. Aliyev is also squeezed, he most likely promised a lot to the Turks, and somehow now we need to show that the Turks are also wonderful trump cards. And yes, it is necessary to remind the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire about the national minority in neighboring countries like Bulgaria

Minushers break off, does it hurt your eyes?

[Gennady Fomkin]

According to the results for today:
1.For Azerbaijan, this is not a win, because the Azerbaijanis did not get Karabakh in its mountainous part.
2.For Armenia, this is a failure, because the Azerbaijanis did not get Karabakh in its mountainous part.
3.For Russia, the resolution of the long-standing conflict, in which Russia had to grudgingly support Armenia, but Armenia by no means had to support Russia. What she did not do. Now Russia has got free hands.
In order to stir up something again in Karabakh, Armenia will have to at its own peril and risk (without hope for help from the CSTO (read Russia), declare war on Azerbaijan and invade the territory of Azerbaijan, which must now be liberated from the Armenian occupation. this territory as spelled out in the agreement between Putin, Aliyev and Pashinyan. And again get a war. Now already as an obvious aggressor. A war against Azerbaijan and a very likely strike on its territory from Turkey. Given that Russia without any loss to its reputation can wash away In this case, hands. If Armenia, contrary to expectations, leaves the CSTO, then even more so. If Armenia counts on the help of the West, then there will be a potential military conflict between NATO and Turkey and Azerbaijan, which, in general, is extremely unlikely. for the West, the geopolitical value of Turkey and Azerbaijan in comparison with Armenia is incomparably great. And now, after the Pashinyan revolution, and for Russia, perhaps, too ...
In turn, in order to stir up something in Karabakh, Azerbaijan should in 5 years demand the withdrawal of the Russian peacekeeping contingent from the mountainous part of NK. In response, Russia can simply recognize the state status of NK. With all the consequences, up to a referendum on joining Russia.
And so yes, formally Karabakh is Azerbaijani. But only there are peacekeepers for now. That's all. I doubt that NK will ever demand the withdrawal of the Russian contingent, since Russia will be the only guarantor of NK from the inevitable genocide. So, the status of Nagorno-Karabakh is in fact determined For a very long time. If not forever. This is the territory of the Russian Federation under the mandate. Moreover, with the consent, which is typical, of Armenia, and most importantly, Azerbaijan.
Thus, in addition to unleashing its hands, Russia received in the Transcaucasia a region that is small in size but deeply tied to Russia, in fact a military base with a surrounding friendly ethnically homogeneous population (at least 5-10 people live there so far) in a key point of Transcaucasia. Where will we threaten the Turks from. And Iran, if necessary. And Azerbaijan, the latter generally ends up in Russian ticks from the north (Dagestan), west (Karabakh) and east (Caspian)
Turkey turned out to be out of business, although we, of course, will still hear how the Turks in general won everyone in Karabakh. And the Armenians, too, would have won everyone if Russia had not interfered. But tse tak ... Let them say ...

[Note]

As I said about a week after the outbreak of hostilities, Azerbaijan had a corridor to Nakhichevan and part of the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh. But nobody was interested in it. I can say something interesting about the downed helicopter. But who needs it in this environment? Have everyone really forgotten how to think?

[Note]

The goal of Azerbaijan is the corridor to Nakhichevan. Before that, create the atmosphere of the loss of Stepanokert. The goals have been achieved. With the help of unexpected parties

[Lvalentine]

Many are sure that the remnants of the NKR remain with Armenia. But the status of NK has not been determined and no one has provided security guarantees to the local population. The peacekeepers only control the withdrawal of the RA Armed Forces and the protection of the Lachin corridor, everything else is within the competence of the UN and Azerbaijan. this territory is under its jurisdiction. Azerbaijan provides administration and determines the status of NK in the future.

[Turanov]

Yes, Erdogan succeeded brilliantly with Aliyev in the hitch ... Of course, Putin was allowed to save face, while shooting down our military helicopter, we, as always, will swallow it, although we were obliged to answer just as harshly, and then sit down at the negotiating table ..
Something Putin has been losing ground in recent years ..

[flicker]

The bloody script written by "Middle Eastern friends" and implemented by the Anglo-Saxons did not work.
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According to the scenario, in the first act, a local mess was to begin between Azerbaijanis and Armenians, in the following acts Turkey, Iran and Russia were to be drawn into this mess under various geopolitical pretexts.
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That's just a bummer came out for screenwriters and their Anglo-Saxon customers.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

They will take a couple for the household, sort the tomatoes Seriously though, it is likely that several people from the Turks as wedding generals will sit nearby. Aliyev is also squeezed, he most likely promised a lot to the Turks, and somehow now we need to show that the Turks are also wonderful trump cards. And yes, it is necessary to remind the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire about the national minority in neighboring countries like Bulgaria

Minushers break off, does it hurt your eyes?

Something is not enough.

[Azimuth]

From a statement by a Turkish official:

This is a great victory for Azerbaijan, won both on the battlefield and at the negotiating table.

Cavusoglu further added:

We were and remain one people with Azerbaijan, we have one heart with our Azerbaijani brothers.

What remains for clowns how to arrange a circus in front of each other? ...

There is only one winner here - WE.
Russia defeated the mattress-makers with their puppets in Yerevan and plans, and the Turks and Azerbaijanis.

More information for all the supporters, uryakalschik, etc., both ours and the parties to the conflict.
1. What did Azerbaijan win there? Took the areas around Karabakh? So we gave them to him for a long time, but the Armenians, our allies wandered around and performed at the same time hiding behind us. As a result, both disobedient whipping, and Azerbaijan received little of what we gave it, having paid with the lives of our soldiers for flogging the Armenians, and we are all in white.
2. Neither Azerbaijanis, let alone Turks, did not control Karabakh, they do not control it now. On the territory of Azerbaijan there was a foreign army, the army of the CSTO country, as we see stupid and useless, was replaced by a sensible army.
That is, as there was a foreign army on the territory of Azerbaijan, it is there, but now it is our army, as Azerbaijan did not control Karabakh, so it does not control it. Where is the overrun of Azerbaijanis or Turks? ...

Everything happened as we wanted and as we needed. We drink champagne, you can roll vodka.

[Azimuth]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

In turn, in order to stir up something in Karabakh, Azerbaijan should in 5 years demand the withdrawal of the Russian peacekeeping contingent from the mountainous part of NK. In response, Russia can simply recognize the state status of NK. With all the consequences, up to a referendum on joining Russia.
And so yes, formally Karabakh is Azerbaijani. But only there are peacekeepers for now. That's all. I doubt that NK will ever demand the withdrawal of the Russian contingent, since Russia will be the only guarantor of NK from the inevitable genocide. So, the status of Nagorno-Karabakh is in fact determined For a very long time. If not forever. This is the territory of the Russian Federation under the mandate. Moreover, with the consent, which is typical, of Armenia, and most importantly, Azerbaijan.

Not so simple. NK is not a party here, and Azerbaijan may well demand the withdrawal of the peacekeepers in 4,5 years.
About the mandated territory, etc. You are a little hasty.

For our presence there to be preserved, Azerbaijan must either remain in the Non-Aligned Organization or join the CSTO.
In the case of, for example, Azerbaijan joining NATO, we will not be able to refuse him if he "asks" us in 4,5 years, well, in the sense of withdrawing our peacekeepers. And Armenia, while remaining in the CSTO, will not be able to implement any military option, although it will not be able to implement it anyway, the army which was already defeated, the defeat will lead to an even greater crisis in the economy and the outflow of the population, that is, there is simply no base.

[ljoha_d]

But now we have lost with the recent crash of our helicopter and the death of the crew. We got it in the face and we continue to shake our finger with a smart face. We lose the drone and fly to bomb Assad at once, and here it is. Already we can say for the second time, soon all and sundry will beat our boys, and in response we will introduce tomato sanctions !!!!!!!!!!!!!! RUSSIA GENEROUS SOUL !!!!!!!!!!!