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Peace in Karabakh: Who Benefited Most from the Agreement between Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia

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The long-awaited peace agreement was concluded between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Besides them, it was also signed by Russia. Who has benefited from the cessation of hostilities on the terms spelled out in the agreement?


The cessation of hostilities in accordance with the trilateral agreements became known on the night of November 9-10, 2020. According to the text of the agreement, Armenia transfers the Kelbajar region to Azerbaijan by November 15, 2020, the Agdam region and territories in the Gazakh region by November 20, and the Lachin region by December 1. Shusha also remains under the control of Azerbaijan. At the same time, Armenia retains the Lachin corridor 5 km wide, used for communication between Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia.

Thus, Armenia lost a significant part of the territories that were formerly part of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. However, it should be noted that Armenia itself did not recognize the independence of the NKR.

For Nikol Pashinyan's government, this is an unconditional defeat, but it could have been worse: Azerbaijani troops stopped near Stepanakert, and the agreement, thereby, prevented more tragic consequences for the unrecognized Armenian republic in Karabakh.

But the most important point of the agreement for Russia is that Russian peacekeepers are being brought into Nagorno-Karabakh for at least 5 years - 1960 servicemen with a rifle weapons, 90 armored personnel carriers, 380 units of automobile and special equipment. The presence of Russian peacekeepers, who will divide Azerbaijanis and Armenians, will become an almost iron guarantee of the cessation of any aggressive actions on both sides for the entire duration of the presence of the contingent in Karabakh. It is hardly worth reminding the Azerbaijani side of what Georgia received in 2008 in response to the shelling of Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia.

Pashinyan had to give up part of Karabakh: Armenia, of course, finds it difficult to come to terms with this, but this is better than the complete loss of NKR with a humanitarian catastrophe for the peaceful Armenian population and many thousands of refugees. Azerbaijan has partially won by regaining control over part of the territories that were previously under the rule of the NKR. Thus, Ilham Aliyev has an unambiguous argument: Azerbaijani soldiers fought in Karabakh for a reason. Turkey is also pleased, which helped its junior partner Azerbaijan.

For Russia, the agreement signed on the night of November 10 is a great victory in foreign policy. On the one hand, Russia managed to avoid being drawn into the conflict between the two former Soviet republics on either side, which will avoid the deterioration of relations with both Armenia and Azerbaijan. Now Russia will act as a guarantor of security for that part of the NKR, which retains the proclaimed sovereignty, but will also take into account the position of Baku.

On the other hand, Vladimir Putin taught Nikol Pashinyan a lesson. Not so long ago, the Armenian prime minister was demonstratively oriented towards the West; rallies were held in Yerevan with anti-Russian slogans and demands for the withdrawal of the 102nd base. It took several weeks of fighting in Karabakh for Pashinyan to swear eternal friendship to Moscow, regularly call Putin and claim that only Russia can be the guarantor of peace in the Caucasus. Probably, only the most zealous nationalists now do not understand that Russia has once again saved the position of Armenia and with the agreement reached has preserved Nagorno-Karabakh, albeit within somewhat smaller borders.

Russian troops will now appear in Karabakh. That is, we will have not only the 102nd base in Armenia, but also a two thousandth contingent of peacekeepers in Karabakh. At the same time, hardly anyone in their right mind would now think to demand the withdrawal of the Russian military. In addition, the West has shown a complete reluctance to defend Armenia, the statements of Kim Kardashian, Serge Tankian and other representatives of the world show business of Armenian origin do not count. There was no real help to Yerevan either from Washington or from Paris, and they tried to restrain their NATO ally Turkey very sluggishly, if at all.

Russia is strengthening its position in the Transcaucasus. And he returns as a guarantor of peace between the two neighboring states, which until recently were union republics.
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  1. Peter rybak
    Peter rybak 10 November 2020 10: 40
    -45 qualifying.
    At the moment, Armenia has definitely won. The war stopped 2 km from Stepanakert. Many other settlements were left to Armenia. They needed a break, and they got it. The peacekeepers will leave in the worst case in 5 years. This is if there are no shocks in Russia itself. In 5 years you can gain strength.
    Azerbaijan agreed to an unprofitable agreement for itself. And all this "thanks" to the downed Russian helicopter.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 10 November 2020 10: 46
      19
      100% helicopter is generally just an accident. He just flew there because of the introduction of peacekeepers. Accompanying the forward teams back to the original. If it were not for the peacekeepers, no one would fly there at night, as 43 days before, and no one was shot down.

      Probably the military said - to make an urgent decision on November 4-5, and the last days there were active negotiations. Here Arayik says:

      Dear compatriots, On November 7, we completely lost control over the city of Shushi... I do not know how history will assess the decision made yesterday, but we had to do it. If the fighting continued at the same pace we would have lost all Artsakh in a matter of days... Yesterday in Martuni district suffered heavy casualties, in the last hours. It seems to us I managed to defend myself against drones for several days, but already in the last two days the enemy, I don’t know how, with the help of new technologies or new drones, again had the opportunity to inflict great damage on our troops.

      You can, of course, say why we were not informed about this situation then. I called from Aghdam, from the same chair, I reminded you, dear compatriots, we need you. On October 29 from Shushi, in front of the Gazanchetsots church, I said that Shushi was in danger.
      We argued whether Shushi was in our hands or not, we lost main control from November 5, completely from November 7.
      1. Peter rybak
        Peter rybak 10 November 2020 10: 50
        +6
        Quote: donavi49
        Here Arayik says:
        We argued whether Shushi was in our hands or not, we lost the main control from November 5, completely from November 7. [/ b]

        I read it this morning. He said that Ilham Aliyev would not cheat without taking the city. So everyone who could minus me.
        I do not believe that the turntable is an accident. And it's suspicious why Baku took responsibility so quickly.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 10 November 2020 10: 55
          16
          Just not suspicious. For everything had already been agreed. And then the unexpected came. It is just a common accident of sudden deployment in a war. Therefore, they took it immediately, so as not to lose positions and negotiation lines.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 10 November 2020 13: 54
            +5
            Quote: donavi49
            And then the unexpected came. Just an ordinary accident

            And the Kremlin replied, well, if it was by accident, then no problem!
            And forgive me, why would you tell the relatives of the fallen pilots, citizens of the country that had OBLIGED to protect them !?
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 10 November 2020 14: 25
              +8
              Well, it's like a Boeing in Iran. Shit happens. Moreover, the other side does not go unconscious.

              For example, Egypt still does not recognize the detonation of a watermelon over Sinai. AND? The VKS strikes on the Sinai broads, who took responsibility as it were, did not happen.

              Or the Il-22 is the same. Israel has completely abandoned any responsibility. Even the relationship did not deteriorate. And all the measures turned out to be more for the domestic public. Israel, as it has struck earlier where it wanted, and continues to do so. With or without the S-300.

              I am sure, in general, everyone understands everything. Just imagine, you have been sitting in a position in a state of full combat readiness for the second month already. Expect a blow of retribution, so to speak. But everything is quiet. And suddenly in the night there is a column and a helicopter flies. Right along the border. Here is the blow of retribution for Shushi. Well, they did work. Or they caught a chance to curry favor - like they are fighting there, and we miss our positions for two months, but we want heroic deeds and orders. And then such a chance itself flies.

              So far it looks like the forward deployment was going on and the convoy was escorted by helicopters. Azerbaijan was not warned (or was warned, but did not have time to push through the information - the investigation will establish) and as a result, in Nakhchivala, the local authorities were sure that they were Armenians.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 11 November 2020 11: 28
                +3
                And suddenly in the night there is a column and a helicopter flies. Right along the border. Here is the blow of retribution for Shushi. Well, they did work. Or they caught a chance to curry favor - like they are at war there, and we miss our positions for two months, but we want feats and orders. And then such a chance flies by itself.

                Imagine timing - how long was the helicopter in the affected area?
                Imagine a bored shooter sitting with a MANPADS at night.
                Imagine how you saw, prepared and hit successfully ...
                And all this without radar guidance.
                1. Foxmara
                  Foxmara 11 November 2020 12: 36
                  +1
                  The range of MANPADS is 5-6 km. The speed of the helicopter .. and how long could the shooter sit? In the mountains? Minutes? ..
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 11 November 2020 14: 14
                    +2
                    And I also had to look in the right direction. No distractions.
            2. roman egorov
              roman egorov 10 November 2020 19: 08
              -1
              What would the Americans do? They would clean up the square from which the blow was made, and then sort it out. The Europeans would never have sent their soldiers without a UN mandate. And only ours will forget with small forces, and that the Azerbaijanis are that the Turks are beating. Yet the peacekeepers have not been introduced for two 200-s already. The Russian Federation has nowhere to spend the current Aram to help? Who in a year will come out with posters Russia invader get home .. Putin is bored with routine life in Russia, from, boredom plays with soldiers .. And the fact that they are dying and money for the grouping must be immeasurably so Russians will tighten their belts and consolidate games in geopolitics
              1. Dalmatia
                Dalmatia 10 November 2020 20: 20
                -1
                If it were to clean up the square, then the signing of the agreement would be disrupted, and today there would be no our military peacekeepers there. And we will always have time to clean up))), the main thing is not to forget about the helicopter.
                1. Revival
                  Revival 11 November 2020 12: 53
                  +4
                  How about an airplane?
                  1. Dalmatia
                    Dalmatia 11 November 2020 20: 38
                    0
                    The plane was not forgotten either. At the end of October 2020, in Idlib, after being hit by our Aerospace Forces, the Turkish military was also killed.
                    1. Revival
                      Revival 12 November 2020 02: 33
                      +2
                      Oh, I see..
              2. 16329
                16329 11 November 2020 00: 59
                10
                Either they cleaned out Iran after a strike on their base in Iraq, stop praising the Americans, they killed the ambassadors and took the sailors prisoner, and the special forces fired a lot of things, the burden of the great powers
              3. skobars
                skobars 11 November 2020 01: 43
                -1
                Peacekeepers are financed from the UN budget, it's time to know that. So the Russian budget will not suffer.
                1. Revival
                  Revival 11 November 2020 12: 55
                  +8
                  Yes, but only those who are introduced under the UN mandate
                  1. skobars
                    skobars 11 November 2020 22: 00
                    -1
                    Well, in this case, there will be a mandate. The UN representatives confirmed that they will help, which means they will not refuse funding, or rather, Russia will finance it through a contribution to the UN.
              4. Letun
                Letun 11 November 2020 13: 11
                +2
                Quote: roman egorov
                What would the Americans do? They would clean up the square from which the blow was made, and then sort it out.

                I remember, I remember, how at the beginning of this year the Americans cleaned the square along which several missiles flew from Iran to their military base laughing
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 10 November 2020 11: 23
        10
        It goes without saying. There is no logic for Azerbaijan to even consider shooting down a Russian helicopter. on the other hand, in the neighboring branch, they almost want to throw nuclear bombs at Azerbaijan. Couch warriors, "patriots" are tormented by the oppressed EGO.
        Yesterday I wondered why the Russian Federation did not inform the parties to the conflict about the convoy and escort. Now, when it became known about the deployment of peacekeepers, everything fell into place: they would have informed in advance and one of the parties could try to take a more advantageous military position in a short time in order to consolidate it with the introduction of peacekeepers. Unfortunately, the RF itself paid for it, but the risk was inevitable. I hope there will be peace in that area now. At least a contingent of 2000 "bayonets" in all weapons will be the guarantor of this.
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 10 November 2020 12: 32
          -7
          the question is not "accidentally or not by chance", but that Baku should be punished for what it did..tales in the style of "we didn’t want to, sorry” - don’t whip .. the question is, what exactly the Kremlin will require in return, planting data "random" for very long periods and compensation, or will begin to pinch large amounts
          1. Rudkovsky
            Rudkovsky 10 November 2020 12: 44
            +7
            Nobody owes anything to anyone, only you are the tax officer. The gentlemen will agree, for them this knocked-down turntable is nothing more than an argument in negotiations.
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 10 November 2020 13: 33
              -12 qualifying.
              the Turks thought so too ... and then they got 10 lard losses
              1. Rudkovsky
                Rudkovsky 10 November 2020 13: 44
                +5
                Well, then let's remember how much Russia has invested in Turkish projects, in the same nuclear power plant and what prospects are there now. Losses are a double-edged thing. Therefore, the downed turntable will be forgiven and forgotten by partners.
                1. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 10 November 2020 14: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Rudkovsky
                  to the same nuclear power plant and what prospects are there now.

                  Equipment for the station will be made in the Russian Federation, personnel will be trained, then we will sell fuel - this is the sale of high-tech products for 100 years ... I agree that it would be better to build something at home, but the alternative is that the money is simply in reserves ... request
                  1. Rudkovsky
                    Rudkovsky 10 November 2020 15: 34
                    +9
                    It will be, it will be. As usual - everything will just be. A lot of money has been invested, even more obligations have been taken, and who is the income from this station to be taken from if relations with the Turks are spoiled? As a result, for their own money, they gave the Turks a powerful trump card in their hands.
                    I understand that they began to think about this station at a time when oil was flowing upward, there were heaps of extra money, sheer optimism and there were no confrontations with the Turks. But now the situation has changed, and the station is almost ready on a cart you cannot load and take out.
                    The bottom line is that you must understand that no one will escalate a conflict with an important partner because of a turntable and a couple of corpses. The military knew what they were doing, it was their job to die.
                    1. Boris Chernikov
                      Boris Chernikov 10 November 2020 15: 49
                      -11 qualifying.
                      but no one will go ... so ... they will let the blood flow, they will drop 1-2 businessmen from Baku for business in Russia and that's all ... the choice is simple, either compensation and two Azeri in prison for the next 10 years, or much more money and more affected ..
                    2. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 10 November 2020 18: 02
                      0
                      Quote: Rudkovsky
                      It will be, it will be. As usual - everything will only be

                      if you live one day, this is your problem, no more ... request
                      Quote: Rudkovsky
                      and who to take income from this station, if relations with the Turks are spoiled?

                      1) why spoil relations with them? bully Russia and Turkey trade mutually and have various other areas of cooperation ... hi Trade between Russia and Turkey in 2019 grew by 2,5% and amounted to $ 21,7 billion https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7477891 very noticeable money ...
                      2) "the text of the Agreement spells out an obligation on the part of Turkey, within the first 15 years after commissioning, to buy electricity produced on it at a fixed price of $ 0,12 per 1 kWh."
                      Quote: Rudkovsky
                      And now the situation has changed, and the station is almost ready on a cart you cannot load and take out.

                      she may change again request mutual interests strengthen the relationship ...
                      Quote: Rudkovsky
                      what should you understand

                      I'll somehow decide for myself what I should ... bully
                2. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 10 November 2020 15: 47
                  -5
                  it's funny when Azerobots pretend to be Russians). about Projects of Russia - nobody refused them and touching them - the Turks are more expensive ... but tourists and those same tomatoes, cost the Turks dear
                  1. Rudkovsky
                    Rudkovsky 10 November 2020 15: 57
                    +2
                    They touched the helicopter and nothing. Turkish capital left the nuclear power plant, providing all the expenses to the Russian side - and nothing. Ankara is in place. You overestimate the strength of Russia. Both Russia and Turkey are two losers with fallen economies. And if there is no economy, then you have nothing, the attitude will be appropriate.
                    So it remains for the avenging couch warriors to fantasize menacingly, as if they bent everyone to the right and left.
                    1. Pissarro
                      Pissarro 10 November 2020 23: 00
                      0
                      The economies of Russia and Turkey fell somewhere there only in your training manuals. These countries define the future world by consulting ONLY among themselves, without asking the opinion of the kneeling in front of blacks or calculating the number of genders of the former Western rulers, and now clowns
                      1. Rudkovsky
                        Rudkovsky 11 November 2020 13: 34
                        -1
                        Yeah, and the retirement age has grown in training manuals. And taxes are growing in training manuals. And a bunch of other fiscal measures aimed at pumping money out of people's pockets in favor of the budget - the same is in the manuals. And gasoline for 48 rubles in manuals, yes, yes.

                        In general, the whole real world is a training manual. And the reality is in fantasies, where the Russian economy is strong as never before, the budget is bursting with money, and the whole world is on its knees and is about to creep up to ask Russia for advice on how to continue to live.
          2. Foxmara
            Foxmara 11 November 2020 12: 38
            0
            Baku immediately recognized and is ready to pay compensation. What are you pumping?
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 11 November 2020 12: 41
              -3
              it's not about money ... it's about punishing the guilty
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 10 November 2020 15: 12
          11
          Quote: silver_roman
          It goes without saying an accident. There is no logic for Azerbaijan to even consider shooting down a Russian helicopter. but in the neighboring branch they already want to throw nuclear bombs at Azerbaijan

          Accident? Accidentally Russian (!!!) helicopter was shot down !? Maybe ! But behind the excitement with the downed Russian helicopter, the fact that the helicopter was shot down over the territory of Armenia (!), In the airspace of Armenia is hushed up! That is, Azerbaijan deliberately committed a direct act of aggression against Armenia! "Antiresnoe cinema", fir-bals, it turns out! Like ...: Oh, sorry! We didn’t think it was a Russian helicopter .... we thought it was an Armenian one ... and banged on an “Armenian” helicopter over Armenian territory, in Armenian airspace!
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 10 November 2020 16: 54
            10
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Quote: silver_roman
            It goes without saying an accident. There is no logic for Azerbaijan to even consider shooting down a Russian helicopter. but in the neighboring branch they already want to throw nuclear bombs at Azerbaijan

            Accident? Accidentally Russian (!!!) helicopter was shot down !? Maybe ! But behind the excitement with the downed Russian helicopter, the fact that the helicopter was shot down over the territory of Armenia (!), In the airspace of Armenia is hushed up! That is, Azerbaijan deliberately committed a direct act of aggression against Armenia! "Antiresnoe cinema", fir-bals, it turns out! Like ...: Oh, sorry! We didn’t think it was a Russian helicopter .... we thought it was an Armenian one ... and banged on an “Armenian” helicopter over Armenian territory, in Armenian airspace!

            Armenia had to respond very harshly to the presumptuous aggressor! soldier
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 10 November 2020 18: 12
              +6
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Armenia had to respond very harshly to the presumptuous aggressor!

              How, if they could not even defend Karabakh?
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 10 November 2020 19: 24
                +9
                That was sarcasm
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 10 November 2020 19: 35
                  +2
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  That was sarcasm

                  Or maybe cunning - and yours and ours and sing and dance ...
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 10 November 2020 19: 44
                    +3
                    Are you very angry at the inability of the textbook Soviet defensive doctrine in Karabakh? Don't be upset. 30 years have passed, different weapons, different realities
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 10 November 2020 19: 48
                      +3
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Are you very angry at the inability of the textbook Soviet defensive doctrine in Karabakh?

                      To be honest, their war in Karabakh does not bother me at all - they can fight even until the second coming. But the fact that their diasporas will begin to arrange a showdown in our country, of course, annoys me, as well as the fact that we will lose our peacekeepers in this region alien to us.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 10 November 2020 19: 56
                        +4
                        Diasporas have long warned not to arrange a showdown - otherwise there will be deportations, tax and bank checks and the whole range of charms that the state can provide. Peacekeepers - if there is a base in Gyumri, then the Russian Federation needs a military presence in the region. Look at the peacekeepers from this perspective.
                    2. Vitaly gusin
                      Vitaly gusin 10 November 2020 22: 49
                      +2
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Don't be upset. 30 years have passed, different weapons, different realities

                      It depends on how you look.
                      What is this article called?
                      Peace in Karabakh: who won the most from the agreement between Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia
                      I really love history.

                      Peacekeeping forces that became the basis for maintaining peace in Tajikistan. The 201st motorized rifle division of the Russian Armed Forces entered the structure
                      Based on the 201st motorized rifle division in Tajikistan the 201st Russian military base was created.

                      On July 14, 1992, Russian peacekeeping forces were brought into the zone of the Georgian-Ossetian conflict.
                      Since 2009 in Abkhazia the 7th joint military base of the Russian armed forces is based.

                      The Supreme Soviet of Russia authorized the use of 14th Army as a peacekeeping force. At present, the Russian military contingent is an integral part of maintaining peace in the zone of armed conflict in the Transnistrian region. The peacekeeping forces include 402 Russian servicemen.
                      I think the answer is clear.
            2. Dmitriy66
              Dmitriy66 10 November 2020 20: 09
              +2
              How should she answer?
              On a parallel line, they wrote about 40 thousand ares sitting in the barracks and scoring for the war. And where's the truth?
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 10 November 2020 20: 24
                +1
                They did not want to introduce them during the battles through Lachin to Shushi. They did not want to strike from the south in order to try to throw the Azerbaijanis off the mountains - apparently, they were afraid of a full-scale war and a strike from Nakhichevan
          2. silver_roman
            silver_roman 10 November 2020 21: 48
            +2
            That is, before that Armenia did not hit the cities of Azerbaijan with dots? Azerbaijan did not destroy from 300 on the territory of Armenia? a rhetorical question. or have you never heard of it? and all of a sudden they all saw the light. there was a war, no one guaranteed anything to Armenia. so no need to pretend.
          3. Korsar4
            Korsar4 11 November 2020 00: 22
            0
            Don Corleone spoke well of the accidents that can happen to his son.
          4. Foxmara
            Foxmara 11 November 2020 12: 40
            +1
            Yeah, before that Armenia (?) Delivered strikes on the territory of Azerbaijan? Think for yourself
        3. gumas
          gumas 12 November 2020 00: 20
          +1
          tam voobshe neponianto, kakova hrena streliali po etamu vertoliotu. daze esli eto byl by armenskyj vertoliot, to eto vse ravno prakol, on ze letel na armenskoj teritoryji, a ne karabahskoj, i eto znacylo by napadenye na armenyju so vsemi vytekajuschemi ...
      3. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 10 November 2020 12: 30
        +8
        100% helicopter is generally just an accident.
        Where is the information from? Who shot it down? Azerbaijan Armed Forces, Syrian militants, Turks? Who gave the order? What does it mean to accidentally open fire on the territory of Armenia with which there is no war? An attack on a CSTO member? An attack on the RF? Why is the Russian Federation such a dismissive reaction to the lives of its own soldiers and to treaty obligations? In my opinion, there are much more questions than answers.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 10 November 2020 13: 23
          +8
          Azerbaijan officially stated that their crew opened fire by mistake. Considering that this is an Armenian helicopter and it is located on the territory of Nakhchivali. We apologized. Investigations have begun. They said they were ready to pay compensation.

          The Foreign Ministry accepted the apology.
          1. Trapp1st
            Trapp1st 10 November 2020 13: 30
            +2
            Azerbaijan has officially announced. Investigations started
            But only by the result of the investigation it will be possible to draw a conclusion by chance or not. So far, apart from words, nothing, or do you think Azerbaijan would recognize that they are Syrian militants or Turkish brothers, or that this was intentional? Let's look at the investigation.
            1. for
              for 10 November 2020 13: 50
              +2
              Quote: Trapp1st
              Let's look at the investigation.

              2 * 2 = how much do you need?
      4. tech3030
        tech3030 10 November 2020 17: 30
        -2
        Americans do not forgive such accidents. Is it an accident or not !?
        1. Foxmara
          Foxmara 11 November 2020 12: 42
          -2
          You are welcome. It's just that for some reason you don't read about such cases. They are full
      5. bar
        bar 10 November 2020 18: 43
        +2
        100% helicopter is generally just an accident. He just flew there because of the introduction of peacekeepers. Accompanying the forward teams back to the original.

        Confused nothing? According to official reports, the helicopter was shot down near the village of Yeraskh. And this is not at all in the war zone, but quite the opposite, on the border with Nakhichevan.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 10 November 2020 19: 03
          +3
          I am not confusing anything. They sit there in trenches in a strange war. Ready to repel various attacks of retaliation. And when a helicopter flew by in the dark, they banged. For they considered it to be Armenians. Well, or I also wanted a medal on my chest, and then such an occasion flies by itself. It was guaranteed that they were beating on the Armenian turntable. For they are now in prison instead of the order:

          “A criminal case has been initiated under Article 342.2 (negligence in service, resulting in the death of two or more people through negligence, which took place in wartime and in combat conditions). The investigation was entrusted to the military prosecutor's office of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic, ”reads the message (translated by RIA Novosti).

          With the participation of military experts, the prosecutor's office inspected the rocket launcher from which the helicopter was fired, interrogated the servicemen of the unit where the incident occurred, and seized some documents.

          There is also close contact at the level of prosecutors.
          "During the telephone conversation, the Prosecutor General ... informed his colleague about the investigation of the criminal case," the message says.

          Also, all available materials were transferred to the Russian Embassy by the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force of Azerbaijan, the Deputy Ministers of Defense and Foreign Affairs.
          1. bar
            bar 10 November 2020 20: 09
            +1
            I am not confusing anything. They sit there in trenches in a strange war. Ready to repel various attacks of retaliation.

            This is a bit of demagoguery. The helicopter had nothing to do with Karabakh, and this is a medical fact.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 10 November 2020 20: 36
              +1
              As well as this Su-25. wink

      6. Rzzz
        Rzzz 11 November 2020 08: 24
        +3
        Quote: donavi49
        100% helicopter is generally just an accident. He just flew there because of the introduction of peacekeepers.


        The helicopter was shot down not over Karabakh, but where:

        So this event is not tied to the conflict in any way. And I see this as such a kick in our direction from the satisfied representatives of the tomato powers, under the leadership of the sultan and mini-sultan, respectively.
        1. Igor Semenov
          Igor Semenov 11 November 2020 17: 19
          0
          I even felt sorry for my colleague donavi49. You shattered his slender theory so mercilessly
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    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 10 November 2020 10: 50
      16
      Quote: Peter Rybak
      definitely won by Armenia
      lol lol lol
      Quote: Peter Rybak
      In 5 years you can gain strength.
      And Azerbaijan with its many times more powerful economy like all these 5 years will stand still and "gain strength" will not, right ?!
      Armenia has no chances and no leverage against Azerbaijan, neither political, nor economic, let alone military, it is high time to understand this.
      1. Peter rybak
        Peter rybak 10 November 2020 11: 00
        -2
        Quote: Greenwood

        Armenia has no chances and no leverage against Azerbaijan, neither political, nor economic, let alone military, it is high time to understand this.

        Long time ago, this is when? This is what we say in the euphoria of victories under the current government in Azerbaijan. Who will come in the next 30 years? Surely it will be Ilham's son? Nothing will change?
        And what is the legacy left to future generations? An incomprehensible mixed contingent of Russian-Turkish peacekeepers in the west of the country?
        Why do we need a corridor 5 km wide? Why not 100 meters, but 5 km?
        Do you know how wars are fought and defeats are admitted? Looking forward to revenge. And for revenge, you need to leave yourself a place.
        I had to go to the end. Cover these 2 km to Khankendi.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 10 November 2020 15: 30
          +5
          Quote: Peter Rybak
          This is what we say in the euphoria of victories
          And what have the current victories to do with it? The total superiority of Azerbaijan was evident even 10-15 years ago, when Azerbaijan was buying Russian weapons and signing multi-billion dollar contracts.
          Quote: Peter Rybak
          Who will come in the next 30 years? Surely it will be Ilham's son? Nothing will change?
          Why should something fundamentally change? In the end, Azerbaijan sits on oil, and it has money and will not go anywhere.
          Quote: Peter Rybak
          And what is the legacy left to future generations? An incomprehensible mixed contingent of Russian-Turkish peacekeepers in the west of the country?
          In the west of the country there is now a territory controlled by this country. For Azerbaijanis, this is better than observing an absolutely hostile people on their territory.
          Quote: Peter Rybak
          Why do we need a corridor 5 km wide? Why not 100 meters, but 5 km?
          You don't ask me this question. lol I did not participate in the formation of the agreement that Russia, Armenia and Azerbaijan signed yesterday.
          Quote: Peter Rybak
          Do you know how wars are fought and defeats are admitted? Looking forward to revenge. And for revenge, you need to leave yourself a place.
          There is no and never will be any revenge. Armenia proved to be an insolvent country without an economy and adequate power. She has neither the means, nor the strength, nor the ability to organize anything. And they won't give her. Turkey and Azerbaijan will now closely watch the situation in Armenia.
          1. would
            would 14 November 2020 10: 21
            0
            In the end, Azerbaijan sits on oil, and it has money and will not go anywhere.


            I know firsthand the oil that has recently dropped from $ 130 to $ 30 due to which the economic crisis began in Azerbaijan. The oil price may continue to fall further, the Azerbaijani economy may further deteriorate under the pressure of the crisis.

            At the same time, do not forget that in Azerbaijan itself everything is not calm either, it is a thoroughly corrupt state and society.

            Why am I? Besides, now I completely agree with you, but no one knows what will happen in 30-50 years, no one can say in what state Azerbaijan and Armenia will be in this time. Maybe soon Kanye West will become the President of the United States and his wife will ask him to give her Artsakh for her birthday?

            Moreover, history knows such examples.
      2. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 10 November 2020 11: 06
        43
        It was a terrible country, the USSR. Armenians lived in Baku, Azerbaijanis in Yerevan and did not cut each other, except for outspoken Nazis, and then during the years of collapse. But now, with complete democracy, complete freedom to iron each other with tanks, airplanes and other means of destruction. How terrible it was to live in the peaceful country of the USSR. How sweet it was to ruin it for both Armenians and Azerbaijanis, including. I remember everything perfectly. Eat your freedom, you can crap.
        1. Peter rybak
          Peter rybak 10 November 2020 11: 12
          -15 qualifying.
          Quote: AKuzenka
          It was a terrible country, the USSR. Armenians lived in Baku, Azerbaijanis in Yerevan and did not cut each other, except for outspoken Nazis, and then during the years of collapse. But now, with complete democracy, complete freedom to iron each other with tanks, airplanes and other means of destruction. How terrible it was to live in the peaceful country of the USSR. How sweet it was to ruin it for both Armenians and Azerbaijanis, including. I remember everything perfectly. Eat your freedom, you can crap.

          Was it Azerbaijan that separated the Baltic states?
          Forget the USSR. Before the USSR, there was the Russian Empire. Before the Russian is still some kind.
          1. cat_Bayum
            cat_Bayum 10 November 2020 11: 38
            10
            I personally watched 1988-1989 how they were torn from the USSR, and how they were supplied at the expense of the RSFSR
        2. Ulrih
          Ulrih 10 November 2020 11: 15
          -28 qualifying.
          Peaceful country of the USSR? laughing Are you serious?
        3. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 10 November 2020 13: 39
          +7
          Quote: AKuzenka
          It was a terrible country, the USSR. Armenians lived in Baku, Azerbaijanis in Yerevan and did not cut each other, except for outspoken Nazis, and then during the years of collapse. But now, with complete democracy, complete freedom to iron each other with tanks, airplanes and other means of destruction. How terrible it was to live in the peaceful country of the USSR. How sweet it was to ruin it for both Armenians and Azerbaijanis, including. I remember everything perfectly. Eat your freedom, you can crap.
          Unique times .. As totalitarianism like to say now. No fences, no watchmen, There are three policemen in the microdistrict !!!! At night with the girl you could walk the whole city. No one will cling to, will not rob. There are no drugs, boasting idlers, there is no this bad mass of cars humming and striving to bring you down. People have jobs. There are no poor old people. Hungry children ... Of course, even at that time, not everything was rosy and inviting ... But there was something that I wrote about above ... This is not nostalgia for youth. No . This is a desire for a good, stable world, and confidence in the future.
      3. donavi49
        donavi49 10 November 2020 14: 27
        +3
        So the plan is ready. laughing
      4. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 10 November 2020 16: 55
        +4
        Quote: Greenwood
        Quote: Peter Rybak
        definitely won by Armenia
        lol lol lol
        Quote: Peter Rybak
        In 5 years you can gain strength.
        And Azerbaijan with its many times more powerful economy like all these 5 years will stand still and "gain strength" will not, right ?!
        Armenia has no chances and no leverage against Azerbaijan, neither political, nor economic, let alone military, it is high time to understand this.

        I remind you that Aliyev caught the Armenians due to his excessive self-confidence and belief in the worthlessness of the enemy. wink
    3. Reviews
      Reviews 10 November 2020 10: 53
      +5
      Quote: Peter Rybak
      At the moment, Armenia has definitely won. The war stopped 2 km from Stepanakert. Many other settlements were left to Armenia.

      Wow, "a lot" ...
      1. Peter rybak
        Peter rybak 10 November 2020 10: 56
        -10 qualifying.
        Quote: Avis

        Wow, "a lot" ...

        A lot of green stuff, right? "
    4. astepanov
      astepanov 10 November 2020 11: 15
      +3
      Quote: Peter Rybak
      Azerbaijan agreed to an unprofitable agreement for itself. And all this "thanks" to the downed Russian helicopter.

      The helicopter was shot down when the decision to bring in peacekeepers had already been made. Moreover, the helicopter probably took part in the movement of the convoy of peacekeepers. And this, perhaps, means that it is not the soldier with the MANPADS that is to blame, but one of the politicians or officers who did not make sure that the MANPADS was taken away from this soldier on time. This is how carelessness leads to the death of people. Someone, of course, will be punished - but this, as usual, will most likely be a switchman, and not a simpleton, who thought that he was following the order.
    5. times
      times 10 November 2020 12: 04
      26
      Quote: Peter Rybak
      At the moment, Armenia has definitely won

      Turkey won very much. Not officially participating in the conflict, it now has the legal right to place observers, or rather intelligence, in the immediate vicinity of the Russian Federation. Where she wasn't there before. Plus a reputation profit.
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 10 November 2020 12: 29
        13
        Certainly. The end of the campaign is a clear strategic gain for Turkey (for Azerbaijan, a military one).
        The author of the article has obvious problems with logic. I received an order for a laudatory article addressed to Russia, but cannot substantiate its essence.
        We read - "For Russia, the agreement signed on the night of November 10 is a great victory in foreign policy." Okay, let's agree.
        We read further - "Russian troops will now appear in Karabakh. That is, we will have not only the 102nd base in Armenia, but also a two thousandth contingent of peacekeepers in Karabakh." Perfectly.
        Those. to the small Russian contingent that was already at the base, another small part will be added.
        But Turkey, whose servicemen were not in Armenia before, will now have them there on a legal basis.
        So whose geopolitical victory is this - Russia or Turkey?
        1. businessv
          businessv 10 November 2020 13: 35
          -1
          Quote: Cosm22
          But Turkey, whose servicemen were not in Armenia before, will now have them there on a legal basis.
          Do you think that there were no Turks in Armenia? If only officially. Stripes settled there for a long time, and there are no secrets between the members of Nat! Read at your leisure https://regnum.ru/news/polit/450577.html about biological laboratories you will find yourself, if it is interesting.
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 10 November 2020 14: 21
            +3
            Let's not mean ichtamnets. For this is how you can agree on things that are unpleasant for Russia too.
            In fact, there have been no Turkish soldiers in Armenia yet. Now it is. Legally.
            What else is not clear to anyone?
            Let Soloviev and Kiselev be better off shouting about Russia's victory in the Armenian-Azerbaijani company. They will portray her in all its glory.
            1. businessv
              businessv 10 November 2020 18: 37
              -1
              Quote: Cosm22
              In fact, there have been no Turkish soldiers in Armenia yet. Now it is. Legally.

              Once again: what has Armenia to do with it, colleague? It's about the NKR!
            2. Revival
              Revival 11 November 2020 14: 16
              0
              And where are the Turkish soldiers on the territory of Armenia !?
        2. Anton Yu
          Anton Yu 10 November 2020 16: 02
          0
          Turkish troops will not be in Armenia, they will be in Azerbaijan.
        3. Igor Semenov
          Igor Semenov 11 November 2020 17: 33
          +2
          The author of the article has long been at odds with the logic. But he receives a fee not for logic, but for voicing the "correct" position. Well, a person does not know how to make a living in another way, be condescending
      2. Maluck
        Maluck 10 November 2020 12: 43
        +3
        Since the collapse of the USSR, Turkey's intelligence has been very densely settled in the Transcaucasus ... from Georgia to Azerbaijan.
        1. times
          times 10 November 2020 12: 46
          15
          Yes, this is understandable, but now this placement of the Turks is accepted by all parties. officially.
      3. Hypertension
        Hypertension 10 November 2020 12: 59
        +5
        Quote: mal
        Turkey won very much. Not officially participating in the conflict, it now has the legal right to place observers, or rather intelligence, in the immediate vicinity of the Russian Federation. Where she wasn't there before. Plus a reputation profit.

        Plus advertising and experience gained in the UAV.
      4. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 10 November 2020 15: 13
        0
        Quote: mal
        Turkey won very much. Not officially participating in the conflict, it now has the legal right to place observers, or rather intelligence, in the immediate vicinity of the Russian Federation.
        She previously had the legal right to do whatever she was allowed on the territory of Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan borders on Russia both by land and by sea! And what such advantages will Turkey get in the south of Armenia? Have you even looked at the world map at school? Turkey borders with Armenia, much closer to Russia and its 102nd base, in the north. There, from the second largest city in Armenia, Gyumri (formerly Leninakan), to Turkey, across the ridge, only 7 km!
    6. Megatron
      Megatron 10 November 2020 12: 21
      0
      "Grateful" Armenians.
      And who will support the peacekeepers? We are!


      1. sevtrash
        sevtrash 10 November 2020 12: 41
        +5
        Quote: Megatron
        "Grateful" Armenians.

        Well, as if there were no doubts about their "gratitude". They cannot be to blame for their own defeat. After all, they were supposed to fight and die for them, and they would graciously allow it))
      2. Hypertension
        Hypertension 10 November 2020 13: 01
        +4
        Quote: Megatron
        "Grateful" Armenians.

        And why do they complain that Russia did not immediately save them? At the beginning of the war, they threatened to reach Baku and drink tea there. How quickly these heroic impulses were forgotten ...
      3. sergo1914
        sergo1914 10 November 2020 13: 02
        +6
        Quote: Megatron
        "Grateful" Armenians.
        And who will support the peacekeepers? We are!




        I liked the point about “it's disgusting to stay in Russia now”. Looking forward to the Exodus?
        1. Skarpzd
          Skarpzd 11 November 2020 03: 10
          +4
          we will not wait))) most likely, "the unfortunate and loyal by Russia" will rush to Russia. and yes .. I looked here at the footage of the riots in Yerevan, eh .... somehow such seething energy in the desire to fight was not observed.
        2. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 14 November 2020 18: 16
          0
          Rather, too. His noisy enough, even if someone else's dump itself.
      4. SERGOL
        SERGOL 11 November 2020 09: 05
        +2
        Here it is, the Armenians in nature. There can be no other. Good luck to the peacekeeping contingent, provocations from the Armenian side are possible
    7. Maluck
      Maluck 10 November 2020 12: 41
      -2
      Few have read the full text of the agreement, but I suspect that it contains a clause on the complete demilitarization of the region so that there are no "guns hanging on the wall" .... and there are probably clauses that define responsibility for violation of this agreement.
      1. BAI
        BAI 10 November 2020 13: 30
        +1
        Few people have read the full text of the agreement, but I suspect that it contains a clause on the complete demilitarization of the region

        Armenia N.V. Pashinyan and President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin announced the following:

        1. A complete ceasefire and all hostilities in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict are announced from 00:00 Moscow time on November 10, 2020. The Republic of Azerbaijan and the Republic of Armenia, hereinafter referred to as the Parties, stop at their positions.

        2. The Aghdam region is returned to the Republic of Azerbaijan until November 20, 2020.

        3. Along the contact line in Nagorno-Karabakh and along the Lachin corridor, a peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is deployed in the amount of 1960 military personnel with small arms, 90 armored personnel carriers, 380 units of automobile and special equipment.

        4. The peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is being deployed in parallel with the withdrawal of the Armenian armed forces. The duration of the stay of the peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is 5 years, with automatic extension for the next 5-year periods, if none of the Parties declares 6 months before the expiration of the period of intention to terminate the application of this provision.

        5. In order to increase the effectiveness of control over the implementation of the agreements by the Parties to the conflict, a peacekeeping center is being deployed to control the ceasefire.

        6. The Republic of Armenia will return the Kelbajar region to the Republic of Azerbaijan by November 15, 2020, and the Lachin region by December 1, 2020. The Lachin corridor (5 km wide), which will ensure the connection of Nagorno-Karabakh with Armenia and at the same time will not affect the city of Shusha, remains under the control of the peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation.

        By agreement of the Parties, in the next three years, a plan for the construction of a new route along the Lachin corridor will be determined, providing communication between Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia, with the subsequent redeployment of the Russian peacekeeping contingent to protect this route.

        The Republic of Azerbaijan guarantees the safety of traffic along the Lachin corridor of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions.

        7. Internally displaced persons and refugees are returning to the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh and adjacent areas under the control of the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees.

        8. There is an exchange of prisoners of war, hostages and other detained persons and bodies of the dead.

        9. All economic and transport links in the region are unblocked. The Republic of Armenia guarantees the safety of transport links between the western regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic in order to organize the unimpeded movement of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions. Control over transport communication is carried out by the bodies of the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia.

        By agreement of the Parties, the construction of new transport communications linking the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic with the western regions of Azerbaijan will be provided.

        No one is responsible for anything. The Armenian armed forces are withdrawn, the armed self-defense forces of Karabakh remain. The statement is declarative, then many more decisions will have to be made.
      2. KKND
        KKND 10 November 2020 14: 04
        +1
        Quote: Maluck
        Few have read the full text of the agreement, but I suspect

        Quote: Maluck
        and for sure there are clauses that define responsibility for violation of this agreement.

        So you read the full test?
    8. New Year day
      New Year day 10 November 2020 12: 59
      0
      Quote: Peter Rybak
      And all this "thanks" to the downed Russian helicopter.

      handsome! So maybe you shot down a helicopter and dumped it on Baku?
      1. Peter rybak
        Peter rybak 12 November 2020 08: 02
        -1
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Peter Rybak
        And all this "thanks" to the downed Russian helicopter.

        handsome! So maybe you shot down a helicopter and dumped it on Baku?

        I dumped on the city in which I was born, on my historical homeland?
        This plane could be shot down by all the participants in the conflict, except Azerbaijan. Rather, Azerbaijan could have been forced to negotiate in this way.
    9. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 10 November 2020 13: 06
      +3
      What other respite for Armenia? Now Azerbaijan almost smeared them, and in 5 years the Azerbaijani army will be an order of magnitude stronger !!!

      If Russia leaves, then nothing at all will remain from Armenia itself over time.

      This decision is an optimal compromise that will allow to preserve the peace, in the end everyone is happy to some extent, for the Armenians - Karabakh, for Azerbaijan - the regions received back part with battle, part transferred voluntarily. And Russia has shown the world its determination and, to some extent, strength.

      And the downed helicopter is the meanness of Azerbaijan. If it were not for this, Russia might not have intervened and the entire Nagorno-Karabakh would have gone to Azerbaijan, although it would have to pay in blood for that.

      Russia would not have fought with Azerbaijan in this situation because of the downed helicopter, of course, it would not have been reasonable, and it would not have sided with Armenia, for example, by supplying a large number of air defense systems and other weapons systems free of charge. Although here it could easily and Azerbaijan would wash itself in blood.

      Remember the Azerbaijanis, the mercy of Russia.
      1. Igor Semenov
        Igor Semenov 11 November 2020 17: 39
        +1
        Will not be 5 years old. Azerbaijan did not undertake any obligations on the NKR. And they will close this topic much earlier than 5 years. Nothing will stop him from doing it. This is the objective reality.
    10. DrEng527
      DrEng527 10 November 2020 14: 46
      +3
      Quote: Peter Rybak
      Many other settlements were left to Armenia.

      The war was fought in Azerbaijan, Nagorno-Karabakh is not a part of Armenia ...
      Quote: Peter Rybak
      Azerbaijan agreed to an unprofitable agreement for itself.

      from what? 1,5 months of war is not a little - forces are exhausted
    11. Gunner
      Gunner 11 November 2020 16: 10
      -2
      I completely agree. Minuses instructed. Armenia managed to avoid the complete defeat of the army and the complete capture of Artsakh. Azerbaijan, having suffered losses both in manpower and means, in material means, could not achieve the goals.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 11 November 2020 19: 46
        0
        There is no Artsakh anymore !!! Not an inch, Pashinyan passed everything !!!

        That's it, Armenia is withdrawing its troops and the entire territory of Nagorno-Karabakh remains with Azerbaijan. And the Armenians are simply allowed to live in the Azerbaijani Nagorno-Karabakh and for the first 5 years they will be protected by the Russians at the expense of the Russian budget.

        Russia gained nothing from bringing peacekeepers to Nagorno-Karabakh, it only spent money. It will cost us a pretty penny to maintain 2000 military personnel in Gagorno-Karabakh and supply them. With this money, it was possible to ennoble some region, and not to guard the Armenians. Because tomorrow they will again yell that Russia is an Akkupant.

        During these 5 years, Armenians living in Karabakh will have to choose either to leave for Armenia or live in Azerbaijan according to the laws of Azerbaijan and under the rule of Azerbaijan.

        The Armenians thought Pashinyan would create a miracle, they just have to scrape on the square and force the old president elected by the majority to leave.

        The miracle did not happen, they also lost Karabakh. This war is a disgrace to all Armenians.

        Pashinyan sold Armenians and Armenia.
    12. leonid1812
      leonid1812 13 November 2020 13: 29
      0
      yeah, having lost 2/3 of its territory - it really looks like a "victory"
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 10 November 2020 10: 41
    +6
    Who has benefited from the cessation of hostilities on the terms spelled out in the agreement?
    Those who remained alive in this fratricidal war.
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 10 November 2020 10: 45
      +5
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Those who remained alive in this fratricidal war.

      Where did you see the brothers there?
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 10 November 2020 12: 23
        +2
        So Bodrov's statement about "brother" is asked here ...
    2. smel
      smel 10 November 2020 10: 47
      +4
      Those who remained alive in this fratricidal war.
      Those who survived have clearly won. Won is life. But the fact that the war is fratricidal is very, very doubtful. There are no brothers in that war. There are enemies. And enemies are eternal.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 10 November 2020 10: 57
        +5
        Quote: smel
        There are no brothers in that war. There are enemies. And enemies are eternal.

        There were times when we were brothers. I still live next door to refugees from Baku. Several families with mixed marriages. It's one step from love to hatred.
        1. smel
          smel 10 November 2020 11: 23
          12
          There were times when we were brothers.
          And I lived there. In Kirovabad, now Ganja. I remember the Armenian quarter there, which was cut out and the remains of the living inhabitants were driven out. I remember how Russians were expelled from towns 81 and 38, without even letting them take their things. It's good that at least not ... Eh, brothers.
          The times you are talking about are the times of the Great Country. There is no country ... And they are trying to erase the memories of it in memory.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 10 November 2020 13: 12
            -1
            Quote: smel
            The times you are talking about are the times of the Great Country. There is no country ... And they are trying to erase the memories of it in memory.

            I'm talking about those times, and I remember.
    3. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 11 November 2020 03: 12
      +1
      I agree. those who stayed alive are profitable. only with the word "fratricidal" you still got excited)))
  3. ccsr
    ccsr 10 November 2020 10: 42
    17
    Russian troops will now appear in Karabakh. That is, we will have not only the 102nd base in Armenia, but also a two thousandth contingent of peacekeepers in Karabakh. At the same time, hardly anyone in their right mind would now think to demand the withdrawal of the Russian military.

    The author does not know that audience well, so we’ll wait and see if our peacekeepers will succeed in what was 08.08.08, and if they will stay there for five years. And another important question - and at whose expense the "banquet"? Will the UN pay us for the maintenance of the troops, or will we again ensure the safety of the families of those who trade in our markets at the expense of our taxes?
    1. maktub
      maktub 10 November 2020 11: 08
      +5
      You ask the right questions
      They see one thing "above", but in reality there will be a second.
      The same Armenians will endure the current government for one 102 base (accusing the Russian Federation of treason)
    2. La Peruse
      La Peruse 10 November 2020 12: 16
      +8
      The banquet is at the expense of the Russian Federation. Well, for the Azerbaijanis, we will become those who did not let the Armenians hide, and for the Armenians, those who did not allow the Azerbaijanis to be hidden. In general, the Russian Federation and those and others will be to blame. So we didn't get much influence there. But who really won is Turkey and Edrogan personally.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 10 November 2020 12: 28
        0
        Quote: La Peruse
        The banquet is at the expense of the Russian Federation.

        It is not clear yet - the opponents will have to somehow legalize the presence of peacekeepers in the UN for legitimacy, so this organization may take part of the costs.
        Quote: La Peruse
        In general, the Russian Federation and those and others will be to blame. So we didn't get much influence there.

        On this I completely agree.
        Quote: La Peruse
        But who really won is Turkey and Edrogan personally.

        But he also made enemies for himself, especially if the vector of US policy in this region is aimed at helping Armenia. Then and this will be remembered by the Armenian lobby in the US and Western Europe.
    3. DrEng527
      DrEng527 10 November 2020 14: 55
      -2
      Quote: ccsr
      Or again, at the expense of our taxes, will we ensure the safety of the families of those who trade in our markets?

      in general, yes, but this is the worst of evils ... request the cleansing of Karabakh would lead to a complete humanitarian catastrophe ... request
  4. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 10: 43
    +8
    First of all, Azerbaijan and Turkey won.
    Azerbaijan got what it wanted, its military forces were depleted, a further war would lead to heavy losses. The liberated Azerbaijani regions, part of Karabakh with the further transfer of the whole of Karabakh, the corridor to Nakhichevan - these are more expectations.
    Turkey has shown that where it is there is a victory. This will lead to further advancement in Central Asia and strengthening in the Transcaucasus.
    The economic development of the liberated territories will begin. Naturally, priority will be given to companies from Turkey, Israel and England.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 November 2020 10: 48
      +5
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Naturally, priority will be given to companies from Turkey, Israel and England.

      At the expense of Turkey I agree, but Israel and Britain could have done it with the Armenians, but for some reason they did not.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 10: 49
        -4
        Quote: tihonmarine
        to do under the Armenians, but for some reason they did not.

        Everyone understood that the old master would come and take everything away. In addition, Turkey and England are allies.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 10 November 2020 11: 06
          -1
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          In addition, Turkey and England are allies.

          Well, these guys are sticking their noses everywhere.
    2. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 10 November 2020 11: 49
      -2
      OgnennyiKotik "Liberated Azerbaijani regions, part of Karabakh with further transfer of all Karabakh."
      There is nothing about this in the document.))) In fact, they took complete victory from Azerbaijan at the last moment.))) And they will remember this for a long time. When they move a little, they will calculate the losses ...
    3. DrEng527
      DrEng527 10 November 2020 14: 56
      -2
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      first of all, Azerbaijan and Turkey won.

      at the same time, someone knew well what it means to spit on Russia ... repeat
  5. forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 10 November 2020 10: 48
    +4
    Azerbaijan received a corridor to the Nakhichevan enclave and a direct (!) Communication with Turkey. This is a huge strategic victory.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 10 November 2020 14: 35
      0
      forty-eighth] "Azerbaijan received a corridor to the Nakhichevan enclave and a direct (!)"
      Under the control of Russia)))
  6. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 10 November 2020 10: 51
    +2
    Azerbaijan has partially won, having regained control over part of the territories formerly under the rule of the NKR.

    I still wonder what made Aliyev go to sign this agreement. Stepanakert could no longer defend itself, the road to Armenia was under control, the Karabakh problem could be solved once and for all, otherwise Nagorno-Karabakh is only half Azerbaijani, the uncontrolled Armenian enclaves will remain under the protection of Russian peacekeepers, what did they promise Aliyev for the cessation of hostilities?
    1. Toby Dammit
      Toby Dammit 10 November 2020 10: 56
      +2
      It was an agreement between Putin and Erdogan.
    2. Bi-mac
      Bi-mac 10 November 2020 11: 21
      -2
      Maybe because of the downed Russian helicopter? Putin could tell Aliyev - either peace, or I will punish him according to an adult, it seems like a suitable reason ...
      1. Toby Dammit
        Toby Dammit 10 November 2020 11: 40
        -5
        "If it were not for the guard, Russia would not have fit in and the Armenians would have come to a complete kapets, and now Russia has saved the Armenians" - this version is now the main leitmotif on all websites. Thinking people don't need a lot of brains to understand what happened and why Aliyev admitted so quickly.
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 10 November 2020 18: 21
      +2
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      what did they promise Aliyev for the cessation of hostilities?

      I think that the Europeans promised him a tribunal in The Hague, if he would arrange the massacre of Armenians, that's why he quickly realized that the main thing is not to go too far, but to create conditions so that the Armenians themselves will leave Karabakh. This fox is very cunning to expose himself and the capital of his compatriots under the threat of sanctions, knowing what happened to the leader of the Kosovars.
  7. Gardamir
    Gardamir 10 November 2020 10: 52
    +2
    Turkey won first.
    Secondly, where did those who shouted that the Russian soldiers had nothing to do there?
    Thirdly, this is humiliation for Russia. Shot down a helicopter, well, sorry.
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 10 November 2020 10: 57
      +7
      if Grandpa Pu started a war over the downed helicopter. then you would be the first to shout that the evil Putin introduced Russian guys to die for Armenian interests.
      1. iouris
        iouris 10 November 2020 11: 11
        -1
        Destruction of those who shot down the helicopter is the task of the convoy commander.
    2. Toby Dammit
      Toby Dammit 10 November 2020 11: 16
      -3
      Already the donkey understands why the guard was getting lost
  8. iouris
    iouris 10 November 2020 10: 58
    -1
    Agreements in this region, as a rule, are not implemented ... Everyone is very small, but very proud, and very touchy. And who can be knocked down without fear that a "response" will arrive? ... Correctly.
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 10 November 2020 14: 26
      -2
      Who needs a crowd of refugees? Neither Armenians nor Azerbaijanis (who would be clearly accused of genocide). Here is the peace treaty. The peacekeepers will chsstichno remove the problem of refugees and even though there will be no lawlessness. Steam was released. The score is 1-1. God grant forever.
  9. llm1912
    llm1912 10 November 2020 11: 16
    +7
    Only Turkey won.
    1. iouris
      iouris 10 November 2020 12: 49
      -2
      Erdogan has not yet lost in Azerbaijan, and continues to mentally divide Russia into Turkic parts. And he has friends in Moscow. Are you going to finish building the nuclear power plant for Erdogan?
  10. Stepan53274
    Stepan53274 10 November 2020 11: 17
    -3
    Quote: Anatole Klim
    Azerbaijan has partially won, having regained control over part of the territories formerly under the rule of the NKR.

    I still wonder what made Aliyev go to sign this agreement. Stepanakert could no longer defend itself, the road to Armenia was under control, the Karabakh problem could be solved once and for all, otherwise Nagorno-Karabakh is only half Azerbaijani, the uncontrolled Armenian enclaves will remain under the protection of Russian peacekeepers, what did they promise Aliyev for the cessation of hostilities?

    Azerbaijan and Armenia themselves do not decide much. The fixers are in Ankara and Moscow. Besides, people will stop dying. And the risk of the big powers being drawn into the conflict is reduced to nothing. In America, Democrats came to power, unlike the Republicans, just let them unleash a war somewhere and reap the fruits of strife. But in fact - it is not clear of course. Armenia has chopped off a piece of Karabakh for itself. Has grown in the territory of a neighbor. This is not Armenian territory. Azerbaijan did not have to agree to peacekeepers, especially since they almost won the war. But Armenian provocations, such as a downed helicopter, went into action, and Erdogan decided not to provoke Putin into military intervention.
    1. Stock
      Stock 10 November 2020 11: 41
      0
      This is not the case, there remains a corridor bypassing Shusha and part of Nagorno-Karabakh. All other areas are returned to Azerbaijan by December 1. Pay attention to any premature conditions on the status of the territories that will remain with the Armenian population. There are no Armenian Armed Forces there, all should be withdrawn within a couple of weeks. Conditions are created for the return of the local population and their safety is guaranteed. Do you think many Armenians will return there? I have vague doubts. First of all, Azerbaijan is the winner, and then Russia and Turkey. By the way, as far as business is concerned, I absolutely agree that Turkish, Israeli and British companies will have priority, but I think that Russian companies will not be deprived either, except for those that conducted illegal business there before.
      1. Igor Semenov
        Igor Semenov 11 November 2020 18: 07
        0
        Lachin and Shusha, located on the highway, will be under the control of Azerbaijan. All supplies to the NKR will go under the control of Azerbaijan. Along the "corridor" that was left to the Armenians, it is possible to supply either by air with helicopters or on donkeys along the mountain paths (if there are any). Azerbaijan did not give any guarantees to the NKR. The Armenian troops are being withdrawn from the territory. What will prevent Aliyev from cleaning up Karabakh in a year, half a year or a month? 1600 Russian soldiers will not breastfeed the NKR. They will be politely asked to leave, Aliyev will not repeat Saakashvili's stupidity.
    2. Stock
      Stock 10 November 2020 11: 43
      0
      And the corridor to Nakhichevan is a very important point, with the condition of guarantees from the Armenian side for the creation of new communications through the territory of Armenia
  11. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 10 November 2020 11: 18
    +1
    It is not known who won. Turkey has not said its word, while only congratulations, we will see how events will develop in the future.
  12. Petrik66
    Petrik66 10 November 2020 11: 28
    +6
    Turkey won, it received excellent publicity for both its weapons and the political firmness and wisdom of the Sultan. Armenia lost, generally on dry, grabbing the enchanting cradle. Suffer the Soros will explain this by the betrayal of Russia.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 10 November 2020 13: 13
      -6
      The economic and political situation in Turkey is such that it is time to order a ritual service))) what kind of victory are you talking about?)))
      1. KKND
        KKND 10 November 2020 14: 06
        +6
        Quote: TermNachTER
        The economic and political situation in Turkey is such that it is time to order a ritual service))) what kind of victory are you talking about?)))

        Are you still singing the old song about the defeat of Azerbaijan? I have news for you: "The circus is gone."
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 10 November 2020 18: 24
          -6
          I'll see what the circus will be when the euphoria from "victory" passes and the empty refrigerators of the city of Baku ask the question: "Where is the money, Zin?", In the sense of Ilham))))
          1. KKND
            KKND 10 November 2020 18: 31
            +7
            Quote: TermNachTER
            mouth refrigerators in Baku will ask the question: "Where is the money, Zin?", in the sense of Ilham))))

            I was waiting for the clowns to stay. Only you could compare economically rich Azerbaijan, which trades in oil and lost territory and equipment (worth billions of dollars) and not too rich Armenia.
            And although Kardashian will star in another prone and Armenia will get rich. repeat
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 10 November 2020 18: 39
              -5
              How much money did the Oil Fund spend on the war? Oh yes, this is a terrible military secret))) and how many equipment and people did Azerbaijan lose? And, well, yes, this is also a military secret))) but the fact that Azerbaijan was adjusting its budget towards a decrease even before the start of the war is no longer a secret. So let's see how soon hunger riots will begin in the country - the "winner".
              1. Rubina
                Rubina 11 November 2020 13: 24
                +2
                Meanwhile, the price of oil is rising, so the food riots in Azerbaijan are canceled; and they did not fall on gas at all.
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 11 November 2020 19: 00
                  -3
                  Where does it grow? In your imagination?))) And that in Azerbaijan the gas price is not "tied" to the oil price, as in the whole world? Let's talk about this in a month))))
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 10 November 2020 11: 34
    0
    Won / lost ???
    They stopped killing each other, this is already a positive result for EVERYONE.
  14. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 10 November 2020 11: 38
    +2
    Unfortunately, all this is nothing more than a patch on shabby linen. For peace, on good terms, it would be necessary to liquidate the NKR and divide its territory between Arm through negotiations. and Azerb. with the recognition of these boundaries by both states at the highest level. Only then could peace have come.
  15. Toby Dammit
    Toby Dammit 10 November 2020 11: 44
    +1
    Now it is clear why Iran has driven so many equipment and hysterical about the change in geography. The Persians already knew about the agreement between Putin and Erdogan to open a corridor in Nakhichevan.
  16. Stock
    Stock 10 November 2020 11: 46
    0
    About the helicopter, everything is dull there, perhaps we will not find out the whole truth, they will simply appoint a switchman. If the topic is simply hushed up without talking at all, then it is.
  17. Stock
    Stock 10 November 2020 11: 49
    -2
    First, information appeared on Azerbaijani websites that the helicopter was shot down by the Armenians, then it was deleted and it was written that Azerbaijan admits the mistake and apologizes. It is possible that they were simply asked about this from the RF Ministry of Defense.
  18. Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 November 2020 11: 51
    +2
    Well, well, it is better this way than to lay young lives for no one knows whose ambitions.
  19. BAI
    BAI 10 November 2020 12: 00
    +2
    Since Russia has better relations with Turkey than with the United States, pro-Turkish Azerbaijan is a more comfortable neighbor for Russia than pro-American Armenia.
    And with a helicopter ... We let the situation with a Russian bomber shot down by Turkey in Syria on the brakes, got a helicopter shot down by pro-Turkish Azerbaijan in Armenia. Soon all and sundry will shoot down Russian planes - no responsibility (consequences), and this will become the norm.
  20. Catfish
    Catfish 10 November 2020 12: 14
    0
    It took several weeks of fighting in Karabakh for Pashinyan to swear eternal friendship to Moscow, regularly call Putin and claim that only Russia can be the guarantor of peace in the Caucasus.

    The jester is a pea, if the Armenians themselves do not slam him, then this nation can be discarded from the accounts of those peoples who are worthy of respect.
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 11 November 2020 18: 14
      0
      Dear Konstantin! For many years Armenia was ruled by people from the "Karabakh" clan. The Armed Forces of Armenia, the military doctrine was developed by them. But Pashinyan alone is to blame for what happened. Where is the logic? hi How, finally, can the elimination of Pashinyan help now? Personally, I am deeply indifferent to who will be the helmsman there, but I would like to understand your logic
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 11 November 2020 18: 26
        0
        Dear Igor. The logic is very simple, "like an orange", everyone should be responsible for their actions. I do not know what "clans" Armenia was ruled by, but I remember under what slogans Pashinyan came to power. And he brought the country to what it has now. And how does the invitation of Russian peacekeepers look after his election slogan "Russians get out of Armenia." This is normal? I also don't care who will be in power there, I still hope that someone is smarter. And I'm not worried about the Armenians (their country is their problem), but about our guys who were sent there to restore order. And Pashinyan is a "monkey with a grenade", so he must be removed. For the safety of our peacekeepers.
        Well, he explained his point of view as best he could. hi
        1. Igor Semenov
          Igor Semenov 11 November 2020 19: 30
          +1
          Thank you for taking the time to answer, dear Konstantin hi
          everyone should be responsible for their actions.
          exactly. Therefore, it is somehow too much to hang all the dogs on one Pashinyan. He had predecessors. I agree with you that it would be much smarter on his part to wish Putin "good morning" and "good night" every day (you can do it directly on Armenian TV). For the Russian Federation (in my opinion) Armenia has turned into a suitcase without a handle - you cannot throw it away, and it is inconvenient to carry. PS With constant pleasure I read you in the comments on naval, including historical, topics.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 11 November 2020 19: 35
            +2
            Thank you for the kind words, but about the "suitcase without a handle" - you definitely noticed it. smile
  21. flicker
    flicker 10 November 2020 12: 23
    -2
    Peace in Karabakh: Who Benefited Most from the Agreement between Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia
    Most likely, Azerbaijan is the greatest merit of Aliyev, a very good strategist and far-sighted politician.
    Armenia did not lose everything that it should and could have lost in the situation in which it was lured.
    Russia achieved peace on its southern borders, averted the impending great TROUBLE from friendly peoples (Armenians and Azerbaijanis), tore off (even if temporarily -
    which is also important) the plan of the Anglo-Saxons.
    It helped Turkey not to get involved in a disastrous (conceived by the Anglo-Saxons) adventure.
    ---
    So, in the pros, many including Iran ... except for the Anglo-Saxon intriguers.
  22. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 10 November 2020 12: 39
    +3
    Russia is strengthening its position in the Transcaucasus.

    Yeah. Only, for some reason, not their own, but the Turkish position is strengthening. At the cost of their own. Now the NATO country will be present there on a permanent basis.
  23. askort154
    askort154 10 November 2020 12: 49
    +3
    Peace in Karabakh: Who Benefited Most from the Agreement between Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia.

    Turkey! Therefore, the author did not even mention it in his article.
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 11 November 2020 18: 17
      0
      Turkey was not paid for him laughing
  24. Suslin
    Suslin 10 November 2020 12: 51
    0
    For Russia, the introduction of peacekeepers into Karabakh is an undoubted plus. Firstly, this is a snap on the nose of Erdogan and Pashinyan, and secondly, strengthening its presence in the South Caucasus. In the future, you can expand this impact.
  25. faterdom
    faterdom 10 November 2020 13: 10
    0
    The Turks won. If they were abroad for the entire USSR with a "probable enemy", now they are everywhere in the Azerbaijani structures. Given that they are also actively working with Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Dagestan and Tatarstan, they have advanced, while Russia has retreated.
    Moreover, given the hot Armenian and Azerbaijani guys, as well as the fact that there is someone to blow in their ears - Russia will be a priori to blame for both of them. From some, "like" she stole the victory, others like "threw it in the bidet" ...
    There will also be considerable expenses for this peacekeeping.
    Azerbaijan needs an ultimatum: the Turks go home, arrest the Wahhabis! Armenians are generally afraid to fart without permission from the Kremlin, Pashinyan - to resign and on trial!
    Something like that. Only then and with such a result the death of our pilots will not be in vain!
    And to present the triumph of Ottoman politics as our diplomatic victory is not even an exaggeration, it is upside down, it is to call black white.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 10 November 2020 14: 42
      0
      faterdom "and Russia has retreated."
      Yeah retreated.))) Sometimes I am amazed at the comments. where has Russia retreated? By introducing its troops (albeit peacekeepers) to Karabakh?))) And now give examples if Russia introduced peacekeepers somewhere, where and when did it withdraw them?))) Transnistria?))) No))). Abkhazia?))) The same no? Or maybe South Ossetia?))) And not there. I'm not talking about Syria there are not peacekeepers. Although how to look at it.))) Withdrawn in my opinion from Kosovo. Well, there were no figs to catch ... but otherwise I don't see a single example where Russia introduced peacekeepers ... then retreated somewhere there.))))
      1. faterdom
        faterdom 10 November 2020 15: 40
        +1
        We introduced our peacekeepers to a lot of places, only for some reason others bank there.
        And now - we will guard Karabakh, and Turkish officers will lead, train and direct in the Azerbaijani army and intelligence.
        And what about input-output, and also fun ...
        For example, I participated in this Brownian movement, but the one whom we saved with our bayonets later changed his surname so that it didn’t smell like a Russian ending, they took the trouble to arrest our plane for the fact that his relative was detained near Moscow for drug trafficking, and is generally incomprehensible, why do we need this.
        And also, after all, our military then paid with their blood for this unknown whose "happiness".
        The soldiers should be followed by diplomats, industrialists, intelligence agents, agents of influence, culture, schools, films, songs and, in a broad sense, the interests of OUR country!
        And this is not ... alas.
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 10 November 2020 17: 02
          -1
          faterdom "We have introduced our peacekeepers to a lot of places, only for some reason others are bankrolling there."
          Who Banks in Transnistria? South Ossetia, Abkhazia?))) Everything else you have emotions. Perhaps I agree with your last thesis.
          faterdom "The soldiers should be followed by diplomats, industrialists, intelligence agents, agents of influence, culture, schools, films, songs and, in a broad sense, the interests of OUR country!
          But this is not ... alas. "
      2. Igor Semenov
        Igor Semenov 11 November 2020 18: 25
        0
        OK, dear Nagaybak. Answer me one question. A year later (conditionally) Aliyev declared that he was tired of enduring the atrocities of sabotage groups of Armenians from Karabakh. Therefore, he decided to return the NPO to Azerbaijan. Then he politely asks the Russian Federation to take care of the safety of the peacekeepers, since in a day he starts a military operation. Moreover, he no less politely offers his services to ensure the security of peacekeepers - for example, go to Lachin and Shusha (now these are Azerbaijani cities). Your actions? hi
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 11 November 2020 19: 10
          0
          Igor Semenov "Therefore, he decided to return the NCO to Azerbaijan. Then he politely asks the Russian Federation to take care of the safety of the peacekeepers, since in a day he will begin a military operation."
          so it was already in 2008.))) Well, about the same, they just didn't ask politely.))) A year before that, the Georgians politely asked us to leave Yuzh.Osetia.))) Ours refused))). They started a year later, and you know the result. The airport there in Karabakh is not bad ..))) And by the way, our troops will stand there among the friendly population, which understands if ours leave then they have a khan. I think we will stay there for a long time. Minus is not mine.)))
  26. Cottager452
    Cottager452 10 November 2020 13: 12
    -1
    What will happen to the base?
  27. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 10 November 2020 13: 12
    -5
    Russia won. Pashinyan will not be forgiven for this, a pro-Russian politician will come to power. The keys to Karabakh will be in Moscow.
    1. BAI
      BAI 10 November 2020 13: 32
      +2
      There are no pro-Russian politicians (more or less significant) in Armenia.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 10 November 2020 13: 34
        -4
        That means they will appoint, they were not left with other options.
    2. KKND
      KKND 10 November 2020 14: 08
      +4
      Quote: TermNachTER
      The keys to Karabakh will be in Moscow.

      Quote: TermNachTER

      There is a fairly significant Armenian lobby in the US, so if necessary, Washington will "push" and everything will be fine)))

      How are these messages logically related? recourse
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 10 November 2020 18: 22
        -2
        These are two different posts, on different topics, if you can read)))
  28. boboss
    boboss 10 November 2020 16: 44
    +2
    The one who survived won ,, however
  29. pereselenec
    pereselenec 10 November 2020 20: 14
    0
    Get up, the country is huge
    For a positive fight
    With multilateral partners
    With a constructive horde

    Let the rage be noble
    Boils like a wave
    (The situation is international)
    It won't end with anything

    And to all the cruel enemies
    To their stranglers
    Deep concern
    We want to express

    Positive assessment
    Boils like a wave
    Constructive work
    Sacred she

    Arise, timid country
    And raise the banner
    Huge and white
    Be patient, be patient, be patient
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 11 November 2020 01: 20
      -1
      Perfectly. I'll keep it to myself.
  30. Veka
    Veka 11 November 2020 00: 12
    -2
    Of course, Armenia won in this situation! Nagorno-Karabakh escaped complete defeat, and Azerbaijan did not achieve its goals. Azerbaijan has liberated only part of its occupied regions, look at the map. The rest remained with Karabakh. Only 3 regions around Karabakh are returned to Azerbaijan. Politicians took away the victory from Azerbaijan. How many soldiers did Azerbaijan put down for the sake of these 3 regions .. The conflict is again driven into the depths, the same problems of the once occupied Azerbaijani regions remain. In general, neither this nor that, and even Russia got in with its peacekeepers ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2020 00: 19
      +4
      Quote: Veka
      Of course, Armenia won in this situation!

      It's only in your fevered imagination laughing
    2. Polo75
      Polo75 13 November 2020 11: 35
      0
      That's right, Armenia won ... the Armenians just got used to the fact that everything is more theirs, including Lachin and Kelbajan ... but they were not promised this, and so she got Karabakh and a corridor through Lachin already LEGAL on PAPER
  31. MBRSS
    MBRSS 11 November 2020 01: 16
    +1
    And this is a victory in foreign policy? Yes it is a silent drain. I hope that at least Armenia and Azerbaijan will support and feed our contingent.
    1. Petr Vladimirovich
      Petr Vladimirovich 11 November 2020 15: 54
      +2
      Will not...(((
  32. skobars
    skobars 11 November 2020 01: 40
    0
    DONBASS is next in line.
  33. skobars
    skobars 11 November 2020 01: 50
    -2
    Perhaps the death of our helicopter prompted Aliyev to agree to the peacekeepers, because we had a reason to answer, but here the Azerbaijanis could get sick of it. The Ars, too, can be said to have won, part of Karabakh still remained with them.
  34. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 11 November 2020 03: 30
    +2
    Quote: AKuzenka
    It was a terrible country, the USSR. Armenians lived in Baku, Azerbaijanis in Yerevan and did not cut each other, except for outspoken Nazis, and then during the years of collapse. But now, with complete democracy, complete freedom to iron each other with tanks, airplanes and other means of destruction. How terrible it was to live in the peaceful country of the USSR. How sweet it was to ruin it for both Armenians and Azerbaijanis, including. I remember everything perfectly. Eat your freedom, you can crap.

    And what has Azerbaijan to do with it? 93% voted in a referendum in Azerbaijan to stay in the USSR. Are Gorbachev and Yeltsin Azerbaijanis? No need to blame a sore head on a healthy one. Accustomed to blame others on their blunders.
  35. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 11 November 2020 03: 51
    +1
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    First of all, Azerbaijan and Turkey won.
    Azerbaijan got what it wanted, its military forces were depleted, a further war would lead to heavy losses. The liberated Azerbaijani regions, part of Karabakh with the further transfer of the whole of Karabakh, the corridor to Nakhichevan - these are more expectations.
    Turkey has shown that where it is there is a victory. This will lead to further advancement in Central Asia and strengthening in the Transcaucasus.
    The economic development of the liberated territories will begin. Naturally, priority will be given to companies from Turkey, Israel and England.

    The forces are not infinite, but they certainly were not depleted. The Azerbaijani Armed Forces were 2 km away. from Khankendi (Stepanakert), the demoralized and bloodied troops of Armenia could no longer offer resistance, Arayik Harutyunyan, the head of the Nagorno-Karabakh regime, admitted that there was no longer any strength to restrain the onslaught of the AzVS in any direction, and the losses had already become huge for the Armenians ... A day or two before that, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces liberated 72 (!) Settlements. But in any case, it was previously stated that if Armenia accepts the conditions of Azerbaijan, the hostilities will stop at the same moment that it was done. The leadership of Azerbaijan has never changed its word. The decision of the leadership of Azerbaijan is the most correct, as always, because they know better and know what we cannot know for obvious reasons.
  36. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 11 November 2020 04: 14
    +1
    Quote: TermNachTER
    I'll see what the circus will be when the euphoria from "victory" passes and the empty refrigerators of the city of Baku ask the question: "Where is the money, Zin?", In the sense of Ilham))))

    The people of Azerbaijan fully support their president, in spite of any difficulties, present and future. He proved that he was true to his word and returned the land, despite the enormous difficulties, the intrigues of the Armenians and the hostility of the West, and in the Russian Federation there were more than enough Armenian helpers. Today, Arthur Sheinin, on his "Time Will Show" program, commenting on the discontent of the Armenians in Yerevan, as well as the hysteria of young Armenians of military age and the pogroms in the Armenian parliament, bluntly stated that the Armenians need time to get together. Then he said meaningfully, after a pause ... then there will again be a reason to rejoice ... What did he mean, like peacekeepers are needed so that the Armenians gather strength again? Direct incitement on Russian TV channels for a future war. And you say peace is needed, someone, even many do not need it ... And most importantly, he brazenly declares to the whole country: the Armenians are calm, they say there will still be revenge. And this is Channel One!
  37. Magadan
    Magadan 11 November 2020 05: 48
    +1
    Listen, does this Ilya Polonsky really believe in the effectiveness of the repeated repetition of the word "halva"? Although ... I won’t be surprised at anything. They’re talking about Edrossnya after all the nasty things she did (in addition to the pension reform)
    Russia, instead of destroying some thread after the downed helicopter, the Azeri base quietly wiped off
    But this is a "victory for Russia". Truth?
    Azera was chased and played in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Samara. A Sabbat was arranged in our cities, and, mind you, our National Guard did not touch them. Of course, the Khabaravans or the youth that are against Edrossni, they pose a greater danger to Russia.
    Especially "funny" how the Azeri offered compensation to your Putin ....
    In general, if it's serious, then here it already stinks of high treason. For the second time our soldiers are being killed with impunity.
    I envy the Iranians. Those US bases were not afraid to fire ...
    I really hope that for the next humiliation of Russia, Putin and his ....... currency-elite ... will answer
    1. Rubina
      Rubina 11 November 2020 13: 58
      0
      Is it enviable that people have a holiday? Oh well.
  38. Orca
    Orca 11 November 2020 08: 31
    +1
    Quote: skobars
    Peacekeepers are financed from the UN budget, it's time to know that. So the Russian budget will not suffer.

    In any case, the budget of Russia will suffer - it is time to already know that nothing is being done in Russia without a drink of Babloev, and the UN does not work for it.
  39. NipponSpb
    NipponSpb 11 November 2020 09: 03
    0
    Armenia lost a significant part of the territories that were formerly part of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic

    How can you lose something that was not part of Armenia, even in the opinion of the Armenians themselves? The phrase "Armenia transfers the regions to Azerbaijan" looks just as illogical. How much for the war was between the NKR and Azerbaijan, and the regions were transferred by Armenia ...
  40. Kiano
    Kiano 11 November 2020 09: 47
    0
    As an Armenian, I do not have the most pleasant emotions. Such excuses as "we fought with Turkey, not Azerbaijan" are not at all reassuring. They knew for sure that it would not be otherwise. And the claims, first of all, to the political leadership, which rested on its laurels of the 90s, lived there and abandoned 18-20 year old boys with weapons of the same 90s period on the battlefield.
    The result is disastrous: an entire generation died, on each side. And it's not a shame for the lost land, which had to be returned at each stage of the negotiations. And for the lives lost. None of the dumb politicians seem to understand that for a country with a population of 3 million, people are more important than rocks.
    And the winner, I believe, is the Russian Federation, which has managed not only to bypass sharp corners, but to firmly gain a foothold in the region. One can only guess why Azerbaijan stopped when it was so close to Stepanakert. Either the Russian Federation found something to put pressure on, or the situation there was no better. But it is obvious that being able to not go forward is stupid. I don’t believe in the humanity of the enemy after 40 days of the bombing of Stepanakert
    1. Rubina
      Rubina 11 November 2020 14: 09
      +3
      It's not just the management's fault, to be honest. Most of all, the Armenian diaspora is to blame, which constantly whips up myths about Great Armenia from sea to sea. Well, there was such a state more than 2 thousand years ago. There is reason to be proud. Why transfer this to modern times? The Italians are also proud of the Roman Empire, but they do not call for the return of Armenia and Tunisia. The Diaspora needs this in order to preserve their national identity and not to dissolve, and the Armenians of Armenia suffer from this, who themselves believe in it. You need to realize this and leave the history in the textbooks and start living in the current realities: improve relations with neighbors, trade and become a transport corridor due to your favorable geographical location. I know that it is difficult to accept, but it will be better for everyone and for Armenia itself. On any Armenian segment you can read about the genocide of 1915 and the current expected one. Nobody wants to remember that today there are about 100 thousand Armenians living in Turkey, citizens of Turkey, plus about 100 thousand Armenians - citizens of Armenia with a Turkish residence permit. And no one oppresses them in a cultural sense - churches, libraries, schools, television
    2. Polo75
      Polo75 13 November 2020 11: 43
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      It is very bad that you, as an Armenian, do not understand what happened ..... before the start of hostilities, the leadership of Azerbaijan received permission in Moscow and went to a certain area that was agreed and stopped there, imposing conditions on Pashinyan that are not beneficial to you (Armenia), not to us ( Azerbaijan), in fact, the troops of the Russian Federation in Karabakh are means of pressure on both political elites ... if you want to talk, come to me and be closer in the hope of Karabakh, but in fact, it will not be given to any of the parties to the end ...... Armenia has a chance to become an independent state, unlike Azerbaijan, since the former does not have a border with Russia and it is separated, but stupidity and an anchor in the form of twilight KARABAKH firmly holds it in the waters of RUSSIA, dooming it to death and slavery
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    3. Polo75
      Polo75 13 November 2020 11: 45
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      Quote: Kiano
      As an Armenian, I do not have the most pleasant emotions. Such excuses as "we fought with Turkey, not Azerbaijan" are not at all reassuring. They knew for sure that it would not be otherwise. And the claims, first of all, to the political leadership, which rested on its laurels of the 90s, lived there and abandoned 18-20 year old boys with weapons of the same 90s period on the battlefield.
      The result is disastrous: an entire generation died, on each side. And it's not a shame for the lost land, which had to be returned at each stage of the negotiations. And for the lives lost. None of the dumb politicians seem to understand that for a country with a population of 3 million, people are more important than rocks.
      And the winner, I believe, is the Russian Federation, which has managed not only to bypass sharp corners, but to firmly gain a foothold in the region. One can only guess why Azerbaijan stopped when it was so close to Stepanakert. Either the Russian Federation found something to put pressure on, or the situation there was no better. But it is obvious that being able to not go forward is stupid. I don’t believe in the humanity of the enemy after 40 days of the bombing of Stepanakert



      It is very bad that you, as an Armenian, do not understand what happened ..... before the start of hostilities, the leadership of Azerbaijan received permission in Moscow and went to a certain area that was agreed and stopped there, imposing conditions on Pashinyan that are not beneficial to you (Armenia), not to us ( Azerbaijan), in fact, the troops of the Russian Federation in Karabakh are means of pressure on both political elites ... if you want to talk, come to me and be closer in the hope of Karabakh, but in fact, it will not be given to any of the parties to the end ...... Armenia has a chance to become an independent state, unlike Azerbaijan, since the former does not have a border with Russia and it is separated, but stupidity and an anchor in the form of twilight KARABAKH firmly holds it in the waters of RUSSIA, dooming it to death and slavery
  41. aries2200
    aries2200 11 November 2020 10: 15
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    That's right ... beating determines consciousness ... my dad said so when raising me ........
  42. Petrik66
    Petrik66 11 November 2020 11: 47
    -1
    Amazing arrogance of the Armenian audience. You elected Pashinyan, you spat in the direction of Russia, you closed our TV channels, staged demonstrations about the closure of our base, you staged a sweep of the military and officials at least somehow connected with Russia. And then, when the fighting began, you began to demand from Russia that she would save you. ???????? Did I confuse anything? Putin and Russia do you understand their limits ?! Putin saved you, because no one wanted to talk to you and was not going to. You were simply defeated, but you do not want and cannot admit it because of national arrogance and inadequate perception of your country's role in the world. Have you been betrayed ?! Read the fable "The Monkey and the Glasses".
  43. Radius
    Radius 11 November 2020 13: 09
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    "... what Georgia received in 2008 in response to the shelling of Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia." This should be reminded once again to both warring parties in Karabakh.
  44. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 11 November 2020 13: 21
    -1
    Pashinyan began to swear eternal friendship to Moscow, regularly call Putin and claim that only Russia can be the guarantor of peace in the Transcaucasus.
    Yes, this "woman of easy virtue" podmahsya experience.
  45. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 11 November 2020 14: 39
    +3
    Quote: Magadan
    Listen, does this Ilya Polonsky really believe in the effectiveness of the repeated repetition of the word "halva"? Although ... I won’t be surprised at anything. They’re talking about Edrossnya after all the nasty things she did (in addition to the pension reform)
    Russia, instead of destroying some thread after the downed helicopter, the Azeri base quietly wiped off
    But this is a "victory for Russia". Truth?
    Azera was chased and played in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Samara. A Sabbat was arranged in our cities, and, mind you, our National Guard did not touch them. Of course, the Khabaravans or the youth that are against Edrossni, they pose a greater danger to Russia.
    Especially "funny" how the Azeri offered compensation to your Putin ....
    In general, if it's serious, then here it already stinks of high treason. For the second time our soldiers are being killed with impunity.
    I envy the Iranians. Those US bases were not afraid to fire ...
    I really hope that for the next humiliation of Russia, Putin and his ....... currency-elite ... will answer

    Could it be byz this redneck Armenian trash? Take the trouble to call the name of the nation correctly - "Azerbaijanis".
    By the way, why not at the front? Did you steal Pashinyan's clock and perfume from the office?
  46. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 11 November 2020 14: 41
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    Quote: Radius
    "... what Georgia received in 2008 in response to the shelling of Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia." This should be reminded once again to both warring parties in Karabakh.

    This is dangerous with the Russian peacekeepers, who when needed, for example the Armenians or someone else (not Azerbaijanis, for sure), at any moment can fire (imitate) from any line, and Azerbaijan can be made "guilty". Whoever needs a reason will find it. So many Artyom Sheinin, who love to look for a fish in troubled water ...
  47. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 11 November 2020 14: 50
    -1
    Quote: Rubina
    It's not just the management's fault, to be honest. Most of all, the Armenian diaspora is to blame, which constantly whips up myths about Great Armenia from sea to sea. Well, there was such a state more than 2 thousand years ago. There is reason to be proud. Why transfer this to modern times? The Italians are also proud of the Roman Empire, but they do not call for the return of Armenia and Tunisia. The Diaspora needs this in order to preserve their national identity and not to dissolve, and the Armenians of Armenia suffer from this, who themselves believe in it. You need to realize this and leave the history in the textbooks and start living in the current realities: improve relations with neighbors, trade and become a transport corridor due to your favorable geographical location. I know that it is difficult to accept, but it will be better for everyone and for Armenia itself. On any Armenian segment you can read about the genocide of 1915 and the current expected one. Nobody wants to remember that today there are about 100 thousand Armenians living in Turkey, citizens of Turkey, plus about 100 thousand Armenians - citizens of Armenia with a Turkish residence permit. And no one oppresses them in a cultural sense - churches, libraries, schools, television

    There was a state created by Mithridates the great for his son-in-law Tigran II Artaxias, a Persian by the way by nationality, and not an Armenian. The Armenians, or rather their hai ancestors, have nothing to do with it. The state existed for 2-3 decades and was completely destroyed by their metropolis - the Romans
  48. xomaNN
    xomaNN 11 November 2020 16: 37
    -1
    On the one hand, almost 2 thousand - the brigade of the RF Ministry of Defense in the NKR is a quasi-base. But these are costs and considerable costs for flights, logistics, arrangement on site, etc. And possible loss of life. 2 pilots and a helicopter have already been lost ... And this is all at the expense of the Russian budget. And, secondly, for 5 years, this only team is diverted to this matter. And what if they are needed somewhere in Donbass? Where to get it from?
  49. Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 11 November 2020 16: 54
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    The soldiers who fought in Karabakh won more. They will stay alive and return to their families. As for Russia, in my opinion, we have nothing to do there. The moment will come and the peacekeepers will be fired from both sides. And whoever argues here, so be it. Because there is a precedent with a helicopter. Shot down. And in response, silence. They shot down a helicopter, in response, a missile strike on oil fields, and then peacekeepers can be brought in. What would then, all the instigators such as Turkey and the United States, and Azerbaijan and Armenia could answer. Let's start shooting at the peacekeepers, we will answer with our "bacon". And that's the only way it works!
  50. smart fellow
    smart fellow 11 November 2020 16: 59
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    It is important not only how to start the war, but also how to end the war. The seizure of Karabakh would not end the hostilities. The Armenians would continue to shell Azerbaijan under the guise of membership in the CSTO. They would send sabotage groups. And Azerbaijan would find itself in the role of a defender, unable to completely suppress the enemy due to the danger of Russia entering the war. 40 thousand Armenian soldiers stood there, defending Pashinyan's gang in Yerevan. In addition, Z. Prilepin said that 10 days ago Russian volunteers with extensive experience of fighting in the Donbass and in Syria began to arrive in Armenia, and Aliyev knew about it. Such a confrontation could last for months and years, the Armenians would fire rockets at Azerbaijani cities, killing civilians. Therefore, Aliyev did not hide his joy at such an end to the war. Russian troops will now protect Azerbaijanis from Armenians, and not vice versa. The main goals have been achieved and even exceeded. a transport corridor to Nakhichevan will open.
    However, ordinary Armenians also won. They were poor, but they would become beggars. Apart from human losses from the conduct of hostilities.