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The network discusses statements about the alleged use of Iskander OTRK by Armenia a few hours before the peace agreement

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The network discusses footage that appeared several hours before the announcement of the cessation of hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh. Let us recall that at the moment Russian peacekeepers are being brought into the region.


The cadres under discussion are related to the use of missile weapons by the Armenian army. A special information rush was caused by the fact that statements appeared on the Internet about the allegedly used by the Armenian troops of the operational-tactical missile complex (OTRK) "Iskander", which had previously been acquired from Russia. In particular, the American columnist Joseph Trevithick writes about this. It was noted that the use of missile weapons "took place several hours before the signing of the peace agreement."

From the material in The Drive:

A video has appeared on social media showing that this is apparently the first case of the use of Russian-made Iskander ballistic missiles by Armenia against Azerbaijani troops.

The published footage is extremely muddy, therefore it is impossible to speak for certain about the use of the Iskander OTRK. However, the following is noted:

The missile is difficult to discern, all evidence points to Iskander rather than Armenia's Soviet Tochka and Scud ballistic missiles. In particular, the video shows the launch of two missiles in relatively quick succession. Launchers for Tochka and Scud missiles carry only one missile at a time.

There is no official evidence of the use of Iskander by the Armenian side at this hour. And it is impossible to say exactly when and under what conditions the presented video was filmed.

Fabian Hinz's tweet:


Earlier, the President of Azerbaijan in an interview with BBC, responding to questions about the shelling of Shushi and Stepanakert, said that for some reason British journalists did not ask the Armenian side about the missile attack on, for example, Ganja.
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  1. Roman 57 rus
    Roman 57 rus 10 November 2020 08: 06
    +1
    I wonder where they ended up flying?
    1. Civil
      Civil 10 November 2020 08: 25
      +1
      For the Turks to track the parameters? What's the point in starting, they lost the war.
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 10 November 2020 08: 42
      +2
      Quote: Roman 57 rus
      I wonder where they ended up flying?


      I subscribe to the question. Where is the goal?
      1. Temples
        Temples 10 November 2020 08: 59
        +4
        The only goal for Iskander in this case is the headquarters.
        A targeted blow destroys the brain.

        It's stupid to launch a rocket into the steppe.

        I think it's a lie.
        Otherwise - criminal carelessness.
        1. Trigger-Happy
          Trigger-Happy 10 November 2020 10: 53
          +1
          Quote: Temples
          It's stupid to launch a rocket into the steppe.

          these are Armenians, have you seen anything clever in their actions in this campaign? And I would really like to see the result of a drone strike in real time, ..... but dreams, dreams, ......
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 10 November 2020 18: 49
            0
            Quote: Civil
            What's the point in starting, they lost the war

            Finally, strike while there is a legitimate opportunity.
      2. Hypertension
        Hypertension 10 November 2020 12: 40
        +4
        Quote: sergo1914
        I subscribe to the question. Where is the goal?

        The samurai has no goal - only the path. Maybe the moon was shot? Indeed, there is a crescent on the flag of Azerbaijan and Turkey.
    3. Stas Sv
      Stas Sv 10 November 2020 12: 26
      -1
      A friend from Baku writes that both missiles were destroyed and flew towards Sitalchay.
      1. serzh1960
        serzh1960 10 November 2020 13: 55
        +4
        Quote: Stas Sv
        A friend from Baku writes that both missiles were destroyed and flew towards Sitalchay.

        Do you think that Azerbaijan can simply take the Iskander and shoot it down in flight? Is this a joke?
        1. Stas Sv
          Stas Sv 10 November 2020 21: 28
          0
          No idea, but infa has passed. But the launches, judging by the video, were real.
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 November 2020 00: 51
          0
          Quote: serzh1960
          Is this such a joke?

          Familiar from Baku - won't lie
      2. Trigger-Happy
        Trigger-Happy 10 November 2020 15: 09
        0
        Quote: Stas Sv
        and flew towards Sitalchai

        And they didn’t sing Armenian songs by chance? But seriously, what kind of air defense can Azerbaijan use to shoot down an Iskander missile, a friend won't tell you?
      3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 November 2020 00: 51
        0
        Quote: Stas Sv
        A friend from Baku writes that both missiles were destroyed

        Did you see it yourself?
  2. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 10 November 2020 08: 07
    +7
    Muddy water, you can't spoil it with dirt! Not everyone likes the ending and the result of this war.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 10 November 2020 08: 13
      -11 qualifying.
      Obviously, Azerbaijan and Armenia do not like the results of the war, like the United States. Once again, Turkey is not profitable for the resolution of the Karabakh conflict, as well as for Russia, otherwise Azerbaijan and Armenia will actually leave the sphere of influence of the first two countries and become really independent. Otherwise Armenia, having lost Karabakh, would have gone to the West from Russia, and Turkey would have lost the lever of pressure on Azerbaijan. So we learned a half-hearted solution: Nakhichivan is largely controlled by Turkey, like the Azerbaijani troops there, and the helicopter from the Russian base was following a known route. We could agree. Gambit. Loss of a pawn, for the sake of an advantage on the chessboard.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 10 November 2020 08: 50
        +4
        Why should Baku be unhappy? The tasks have been completed - Armenia has actually surrendered. The regions returned to Azerbaijan, there will be no further casualties from Azerbaijan.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 10 November 2020 08: 56
          +5
          Not all of Karabakh went to Azerbaijan, as it could have been in a week if the peacekeepers did not interfere.
          1. gsev
            gsev 10 November 2020 18: 00
            +3
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            Not all of Karabakh went to Azerbaijan

            On the other hand, a corridor to Nakhichevan was obtained and, possibly, a direct exit to Turkey, which Russia was obliged to guard. Do not forget that Nakhichevan or even all of Azerbaijan can become Turkish. Aliyev showed himself to be a civilized politician, agreeing not to expel Armenians from Karabakh. And this in the long term can bring more benefits to Azerbaijan than all the other results of its military victory. At one time, the singer Magomayev left the reception in Israel, where the Palestinians were tactless. Perhaps it is thanks to this that the Israelis built a plant in Azerbaijan capable of producing 1000 drones per year.
        2. Temples
          Temples 10 November 2020 09: 02
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          become really independent.

          wassat

          Such turbidity in the head indicates either
          Internet generation of the author;
          or it is senile insanity.
          No middle ground. laughing
          1. 210ox
            210ox 10 November 2020 11: 49
            -1
            With what fright did you insert what I did not write? And watch your insanity, you will have more of it.
        3. Vsepomni
          Vsepomni 10 November 2020 09: 20
          +4
          No, we are very happy. Everyone will benefit from this. Better peace than this damn war. We are neighbours.
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 10 November 2020 09: 44
        +1
        ... otherwise Azerbaijan and Armenia will actually leave the sphere of influence of the first two countries and become really independent.

        They joked funny. And what is independence in this case? Freedom of a vassal in choosing a suzerain?
  3. Sergey_G_M
    Sergey_G_M 10 November 2020 08: 15
    +2
    I watched the video - even those warriors, they profiled everything, revealed their position (not the fact that they were not launched from the territory of Armenia), but they are happy about something, there is only shish kebab and songs for the position.
    1. the finish
      the finish 10 November 2020 08: 22
      +3
      Now it became clear why Shushi fell so quickly. He was simply handed over with the appearance of resistance. Shusha was the main requirement and goal of Aliyev before concluding an agreement on peacekeepers.
    2. Trigger-Happy
      Trigger-Happy 10 November 2020 10: 58
      0
      Quote: Sergey_G_M
      only barbecue and songs are missing for the position.
      and also Armenian brandy, they know how to make it quite well!
  4. the finish
    the finish 10 November 2020 08: 15
    +7
    Better a horrible end than endless horror. Everyone deserves what they have ...
  5. Doccor18
    Doccor18 10 November 2020 08: 17
    +1
    There is no official evidence of the use of Iskanders by the Armenian side at this hour. And it’s impossible to say exactly when ...

    These launches, if there were any, did not solve and could not solve anything. Therefore, it is very doubtful that the Armenians used them a few hours before the perimirium ..
    If only blind rage ...
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 10 November 2020 08: 34
      +1
      Maybe for a helicopter, on the signal of the Russian Federation, they hit Azerbaijanis or stupid people there ...
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 10 November 2020 10: 33
        +1
        Quote: Incvizitor
        Maybe for a helicopter, on the signal of the Russian Federation, they hit Azerbaijanis or stupid people there ...

        This is possible.
        Now there is such a Gordian knot that you can't figure it out right away ..
  6. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 10 November 2020 08: 17
    +3
    If only Pashinyan was sent away on Iskander.
  7. Misak Hananyan
    Misak Hananyan 10 November 2020 08: 18
    -23 qualifying.
    KARABAKH is RUSSIA, No more discussion !!! Russian soldiers will be there FOREVER!
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 10 November 2020 08: 24
      +7
      Quote: Misak Khananyan
      KARABAKH is RUSSIA, No more discussion !!!

      Is this on the Serbian principle? Crimea - Russia, Alaska - Russia, everything - Russia, except Kosovo, Kosovo - Serbia ... So?) In general, Russia does not need someone else's
      1. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 10 November 2020 09: 44
        +2
        Quote: Volodin
        In general, Russia does not need someone else's

        Karabakh is no stranger to us, a lot of Russian blood has been shed there.
        1. Peter rybak
          Peter rybak 10 November 2020 10: 02
          +2
          Quote: pmkemcity
          Quote: Volodin
          In general, Russia does not need someone else's

          Karabakh is no stranger to us, a lot of Russian blood has been shed there.

          It has been spilled in considerable quantities in Ethiopia, in Vietnam, in Cuba and even in Spain.
          1. pmkemcity
            pmkemcity 10 November 2020 10: 13
            -2
            Listen, you are some kind of colonizer! I agree with Vietnam, Cuba, and even fraternal Orthodox Ethiopia, and Spain too ... although it is more likely there now, they pour our urine in Ibiza.
            1. Peter rybak
              Peter rybak 10 November 2020 10: 16
              +1
              Quote: pmkemcity
              Listen, you are some kind of colonizer! I agree with Vietnam, Cuba, and even fraternal Orthodox Ethiopia, and Spain too ... although it is more likely there now, they pour our urine in Ibiza.

              "During 1936-1939, 1811 specialists were sent to Spain, including 772 aviators, 351 tank crews, 222 combined-arms advisers and instructors, 77 sailors, more than 150 various other military specialists, 130 workers and engineers of aircraft factories, 156 signalmen , 204 translators. 127 Soviet advisers and specialists were killed in battles, 11 died of wounds, 32 were missing, 19 people died in accidents. "
              This is, so to speak, the official version.
              And now we are introducing 1960 people.
              1. pmkemcity
                pmkemcity 10 November 2020 10: 50
                0
                Quote: Peter Rybak
                This is, so to speak, the official version.

                So I say - they have inhabited Spain for thirty years ... How much sweat has been shed there by Ukrainian and Moldovan brothers on the construction sites of capitalism? How much of our gross domestic product is invested in this property? How many young ladies, "who are called ice in London" (Kozma Prutkov, for the censors), have left their innocence on the beaches of enslaved Catalonia. Yes, and our blood, "Tambov" and "Orekhovskaya" spilled a lot.
          2. Trigger-Happy
            Trigger-Happy 10 November 2020 11: 06
            0
            Quote: Peter Rybak
            and in Vietnam,

            here I disagree about a considerable number: "According to Russian military historians, during the Vietnam War in North Vietnam, 16 Soviet servicemen died and died from illness." The servicemen did not take direct part in the battles, hence such losses, and considering what kind of wheelhouse there was ...
            1. Peter rybak
              Peter rybak 10 November 2020 11: 09
              0
              Quote: Trigger-Happy
              Quote: Peter Rybak
              and in Vietnam,

              here I disagree about a considerable number: "According to Russian military historians, during the Vietnam War in North Vietnam, 16 Soviet servicemen died and died from illness." The servicemen did not take direct part in the battles, hence such losses, and considering what kind of wheelhouse there was ...

              Well, according to Rimbaud, there were more of them)))
    2. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 10 November 2020 08: 43
      +8
      Quote: Misak Khananyan
      KARABAKH is RUSSIA, No more discussion !!!

      Do we need it? We are already saving the Syrians, then the Ossetians, now the Armenians ... only the Donbass, with Russian and Russian citizens, is being washed in blood for the seventh year already!
    3. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 10 November 2020 08: 45
      +2
      You will somehow decide that the Russian invaders are won! Now Russian soldiers are forever! You can't be half pregnant.
    4. 210ox
      210ox 10 November 2020 08: 53
      +4
      It is strange to hear this from an Armenian. However, in our Kuban, none of the Armenian families, whom I know, lifted a finger about Artsakh.
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 10 November 2020 08: 56
      0
      Russia will guard the road from Armenia to Karabakh in the Lachin corridor. But this road goes through Shushi with a serpentine descent to Stepanakert. Do you need to make a mountain road bypassing Shushi? And our peacekeepers will have to live in tent camps or what?
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 10 November 2020 09: 15
        +1
        now any military town is being built modularly in a few days. this is not a problem.
    6. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 November 2020 09: 12
      0
      Quote: Misak Khananyan
      KARABAKH is RUSSIA, No more discussion !!!

      Earlier it was necessary to think.
    7. Vsepomni
      Vsepomni 10 November 2020 09: 22
      +1
      According to the agreement, the Russian peacekeepers are for 5 years. True, with the possibility of extension. Well, to hell with that. It's better when thousands of boys die on both sides.
  8. Rumblings
    Rumblings 10 November 2020 08: 32
    -6
    Although they do not shout like Babai Allah Bar, the actions are the same.
  9. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 10 November 2020 08: 43
    +1
    And not the essence. The Russian peacekeepers are in place, Turkey will soon pull up its own. The fun will then begin.
  10. X-factor
    X-factor 10 November 2020 08: 43
    -1
    Enough to write dirt and feud !!! Sofa warriors in a parachute !!!
    May the world wake up and the development of the region will begin !!!
  11. deniso
    deniso 10 November 2020 08: 46
    -2
    Bullshit ... another peremog from Armenians.
  12. Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 10 November 2020 08: 48
    -2
    They had to be launched before the battle for Shusha, when up to two enemy divisions were concentrated in the gorge of hell.
    Around betrayal.
    And no one will remember about the Russian helicopter by evening. Peace, friendship, gum. Erdogan is a friend.
  13. Misak Hananyan
    Misak Hananyan 10 November 2020 08: 55
    -1
    Quote: Vladimir61
    Quote: Misak Khananyan
    KARABAKH is RUSSIA, No more discussion !!!

    Do we need it? We are already saving the Syrians, then the Ossetians, now the Armenians ... only the Donbass, with Russian and Russian citizens, is being washed in blood for the seventh year already!


    1813, Treaty of Gulistan. Learn history
  14. Misak Hananyan
    Misak Hananyan 10 November 2020 08: 56
    -2
    Quote: 210ox
    It is strange to hear this from an Armenian. However, in our Kuban, none of the Armenian families, whom I know, lifted a finger about Artsakh.


    Gulistan treaty of 1813. Nothing strange
  15. Misak Hananyan
    Misak Hananyan 10 November 2020 08: 58
    -2
    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
    You will somehow decide that the Russian invaders are won! Now Russian soldiers are forever! You can't be half pregnant.


    It's not up to you or me to decide. Big countries decide this.
  16. Peter rybak
    Peter rybak 10 November 2020 09: 58
    +1
    Maybe she flew somewhere, as a hint that it was time to wind up and go to negotiations.
    No. The war is not over. This is not surrender. This is an opportunity for a temporary world in order to gain new strength.
    It is necessary to find out who shot down the helicopter, who gave the order, and publicly execute these people on the Trade Square in Baku. It was this dumbest crime that forced Azerbaijan to make concessions, to stop 2 kilometers from Stepanakert.
    The current treaty is a freezing of the conflict with the further involvement of Russia and Turkey in the hostilities. This is exactly what Armenia was striving for, anticipating full seams. Once again, Armenian diplomacy turned out to be stronger. She stopped the war for a breather. The Lachin corridor, 5 km wide, remained behind them, along this corridor Armenia will provide communication with Stepanakert and other settlements that remained not liberated. What for??? What is this connection? If Karabakh is an integral part of Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan guarantees the security of the remaining Armenian population, as well as the economic and social development of the region, then why do we need such a large corridor? So that caravans of donkeys with weapons go through mountainous terrain?
    Initially, the question was raised about the status of Karabakh within Azerbaijan. And I don't see this in this agreement.
    Now I understand why the helicopter was shot down. And I don’t understand Aliyev, why he so urgently took responsibility for this.
  17. Old26
    Old26 10 November 2020 18: 05
    +2
    Quote: serzh1960
    Quote: Stas Sv
    A friend from Baku writes that both missiles were destroyed and flew towards Sitalchay.

    Do you think that Azerbaijan can simply take the Iskander and shoot it down in flight? Is this a joke?

    What? Is Iskander already an unbreakable missile? Or have you read a lot of jingoistic patriotic murziloks? Azerbaijan has the S-300 PMU-1.And it shoots down such missiles at a distance of 40 km, when the speed of this missile is already 2M. What, everyone has already forgotten how to shoot down supersonic targets ???

    Quote: Trigger-Happy
    Quote: Stas Sv
    and flew towards Sitalchai

    And they didn’t sing Armenian songs by chance? But seriously, what kind of air defense can Azerbaijan use to shoot down an Iskander missile, a friend won't tell you?

    And what kind of missiles does the S-300 PMU-1 complex have? Difficult to see?

    Quote: Doccor18
    There is no official evidence of the use of Iskanders by the Armenian side at this hour. And it’s impossible to say exactly when ...

    These launches, if there were any, did not solve and could not solve anything. Therefore, it is very doubtful that the Armenians used them a few hours before the perimirium ..
    If only blind rage ...

    Well, the video, albeit murky, but in reality looks like an Iskander launcher.
  18. vanNormayenn
    vanNormayenn 10 November 2020 18: 06
    0
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    Not all of Karabakh went to Azerbaijan, as it could have been in a week if the peacekeepers did not interfere.

    Some commentators think completely abstractly out of touch with reality. Why does Azerbaijan need all of Karabakh? All Karabakh will come with all the Armenians living in it. Considering the ability of Armenians to lie and pretend to be victims, as well as the influence of their diasporas in Europe and the United States, there would be a stream of false accusations of purges, massacres, genocide. Would send requirements to impose sanctions and so on. It would be a big headache for Aliyev. And so the Armenians remained on the part of Karabakh and their security will be ensured by the Russian peacekeepers. No claims against Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan has returned its territories and is clear of accusations of exterminating civilians. One must be able not only to maximize gains, but also to minimize losses.
  19. certero
    certero 10 November 2020 19: 04
    0
    Quote: Misak Khananyan
    KARABAKH is RUSSIA, No more discussion !!! Russian soldiers will be there FOREVER!

    Why is Russia so happy?
    Russia just doesn't want wars on its borders
  20. Sergeant
    Sergeant 10 November 2020 19: 26
    0
    Azerbaijan possesses anti-missile systems capable of shooting down the Iskander missiles of Armenia. Such a statement, as reported by RIA Novosti, was made by the Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan Zakir Hasanov.

    “As Minister of Defense, I declare that we have a countermeasures system - we can shoot down these missiles. (...) We, as military people, always consider the worst case, we are ready for it. True, the missiles I told you about were not purchased in the Russian Federation, but their quality is no worse. And I’ll tell you that we simulated the situation, conducted live firing. The result is excellent! " - said the head of the military department of Azerbaijan.

    lenta.ru/news/2017/07/13/iscander/
  21. Rubina
    Rubina 14 November 2020 16: 49
    0
    I don't know what it was, but I personally, all my friends and acquaintances heard an incredible rumble at night for several hours before signing. A friend lives in the Khirdalan district (a suburb of Baku), their windows flew out of their houses on the street. This was really scary. It looks like the missile was shot down by our air defense.
  22. Sergeant
    Sergeant 19 November 2020 21: 58
    0
    The Iskander operational missile-tactical complex was used during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. Colonel-General Movses Hakobyan, former head of the military control service of the Armenian Defense Ministry, reported this, RIA Novosti reports.

    “[Iskander] was used, but I cannot say in which direction,” he said, answering the question why the military did not use Iskander.

    lenta.ru/news/2020/11/19/iskander/
  23. Sergeant
    Sergeant 19 November 2020 21: 59
    0
    Well, here's the long-awaited recognition. This is far from being an excuse, this is material for appealing to international courts. Armenia, repeatedly declaring that it does not participate in the war, without declaring war on Azerbaijan and not recognizing Nagorno-Karabakh as an independent state or part of Armenia, used the Iskander missile system against Azerbaijan. This is a war crime. Which requires investigation and bringing armenia to justice.