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Data on striking Russian Mi-24 helicopter over Armenia confirmed

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Various information sources with links to the official structures of Armenia write about the fall of a Russian helicopter on Armenian territory. According to the Ministry of Emergency Situations of Armenia, a helicopter with Russian servicemen on board crashed near the village of Yeraskh. It is just a few kilometers from the Armenian-Azerbaijani border.


Armenian sources write that the Russian helicopter was probably shot down.

These reports are published by the "Sputnik Armenia" portal with reference to an unnamed source in the Russian military structures.

According to the latest information we are talking about the Mi-24 helicopter. Various media reports say that the Russian rotorcraft was attacked from the ground using a portable anti-aircraft missile system.

It is reported that two Russian servicemen aboard the Mi-24 were killed.

The updated data by the present moment suggests that the information about the loss of the helicopter over Armenia is confirmed by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

If the attack on the Russian helicopter was carried out with the knowledge that the car was Russian, then this is another reason to talk about the clear desire of individual forces to involve Russia in the armed conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. In such a situation, the Russian authorities have already turned to the parties to the Transcaucasian conflict for clarification.
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  1. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 9 November 2020 19: 36
    -76 qualifying.
    What was he doing there? Didn't they know that it was unsafe to fly in a combat area? Who sent them there?
    And the dead are truly sorry!
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 9 November 2020 19: 37
      78
      Quote: Starover_Z
      What was he doing there?

      How many years have you been in VO and do not know that there is actually a Russian base in Armenia?
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 9 November 2020 19: 40
        -4
        so he is from Az, now he needs to cover the 5th point
        1. the Saint
          the Saint 9 November 2020 20: 07
          -8
          Quote: Boris Chernikov
          so he is from Az, now he needs to cover the 5th point

          Didn't the Armenians shoot down over Armenia? Successful "casus belli" in Armenian.
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 9 November 2020 20: 22
            15
            the rocket flew in from the direction of Nakhichevan ... by the way, how did the bots with Az intensify ...
            1. MTN
              MTN 9 November 2020 20: 54
              -34 qualifying.
              Quote: Boris Chernikov
              the rocket flew in from the direction of Nakhichevan ... by the way, how did the bots with Az intensify ...

              From MANPADS, the range of which is 500 meters. And what was the helicopter doing there? at night and even at low altitudes? That is the question. They were wrong there. Mistook for Armenian. The question is different. How did the Russian helicopter that guards the border of Armenia Turkey and Armenia Iran end up on the border with Armenia Azerbaijan from Nakhichevan?
              1. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 9 November 2020 21: 06
                16
                update the training manuals from Baku - your Foreign Ministry officials have already admitted that it was you who shot down a helicopter
              2. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 9 November 2020 21: 07
                15
                There are no hostilities in Nakhichevan. Azerbaijanis shot down a Russian military helicopter over the territory of Armenia. What are you counting on there? Will your Foreign Ministry's apologies return the boys?
                It is necessary to give such a response to Azerbaijanis so that there are no more such mistakes.
                Needless to say, by your stupidity you turned on the CSTO protocol. Wait ...
                1. RED_ICE
                  RED_ICE 9 November 2020 22: 20
                  18
                  Nothing will happen! Azerbaijan will apologize and ours will accept the apology and that's it. Everything will be like with the Turks after the downed attack aircraft and the killed ambassador, we will also build a gas pipeline and a nuclear power plant. Let's swallow and settle down
              3. phake
                phake 9 November 2020 21: 21
                14
                What is this MANPADS with a range of 500m?) Igla 5000m at a distance of ~ 3500 and a target height of up to ~ 2500
              4. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 9 November 2020 22: 07
                +7
                Quote: MTN
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                the rocket flew in from the direction of Nakhichevan ... by the way, how did the bots with Az intensify ...

                From MANPADS, the range of which is 500 meters. And what was the helicopter doing there? at night, and even at low altitudes? That is the question. They were wrong there. Mistook for Armenian. The question is different. How did the Russian helicopter that guards the border of Armenia Turkey and Armenia Iran end up on the border with Armenia Azerbaijan from the side of Nakhichevan?

                1. You definitely indicated in your nickname on VO that you went through the KGB school ?! wink
                2. In fact, the value of helicopters is precisely that - see my highlighted in bold in your post soldier
                3. The war of Azerbaijan with the unrecognized NKR is one thing ... but the war with Armenia on its territory is completely different !!! "Learn materiel" !!! drinks
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          2. the finish
            the finish 9 November 2020 20: 22
            +8
            Look what language they speak and how they knew that in the evening you need to shoot the sky in this place ...
            https://t.me/Ratnik2nd/2428
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          3. the finish
            the finish 9 November 2020 20: 25
            10
            Baku apologizes to Moscow for downed Russian plane in Armenia
            "The Azerbaijani side apologizes to the Russian side in connection with this tragic incident, which is of the nature of an accident and was not directed against the Russian side.
            The Azerbaijani side expresses its sincere condolences to the families of the killed crew members and wishes the injured people a speedy recovery.
            The Azerbaijani side declares its readiness to pay appropriate compensation, "the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 9 November 2020 20: 31
              +8
              can shove their apologies into the place where they got out at birth .. We are waiting for the reaction of the Kremlin .. such things are not forgiven .. It cost the Turks 10 billion dollars and almost three dozen officers ..
              1. MTN
                MTN 9 November 2020 20: 42
                -15 qualifying.
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                We are waiting for the reaction from the Kremlin.

                Statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Azerbaijan

                According to information received from the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Azerbaijan from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on November 9 this year. at 18:30 a military helicopter Mi-24 of the Russian Federation was shot down on the Nakhchivan section of the Armenian-Azerbaijani state border.

                In this regard, the following should be emphasized:

                - the helicopter flight took place in close proximity to the Armenian-Azerbaijani state border, while active military clashes continue in the zone of the Armenian-Azerbaijani Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

                - the flight took place in the dark, at low altitude, outside the air defense radar detection zone.

                - RF Air Force helicopters have not previously been seen in the specified area.

                In the context of these factors and in the light of the tense situation in the region and increased combat readiness in connection with possible provocations of the Armenian side, the duty combat crew decided to open fire to kill.

                The Azerbaijani side apologizes to the Russian side in connection with this tragic incident, which is accidental and was not directed against the Russian side.

                The Azerbaijani side expresses its sincere condolences to the families of the killed crew members and wishes the injured people a speedy recovery.

                The Azerbaijani side declares its readiness to pay appropriate compensation.
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 9 November 2020 21: 07
                  +1
                  are the Azerbaijani side ready to hand over the soldiers? no, then let them go through the forest and prepare to retaliate
                2. PROVINCIAL
                  PROVINCIAL 11 November 2020 02: 24
                  0
                  Donbass-Boeing. Syria - Dry. NG-MI 24. And all on the eve of important decisions. Well, not so much VO readers and other "interested" ones are stupid. Now the Azerbaijani side simply needs to find the person who gave the order and the executor, so as not to "lose face", although I think they will not be found. Alive.
              2. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 9 November 2020 20: 43
                13
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                can shove their apologies in the place where they got out at birth.

                That's for sure ! The Azeri shores have become confused! They need to fix their navigation!
                1. Lesorub
                  Lesorub 9 November 2020 21: 59
                  +6
                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  Quote: Boris Chernikov
                  can shove their apologies in the place where they got out at birth.

                  That's for sure ! The Azeri shores have become confused! They need to fix their navigation!

                  If it happened to a US or Israeli helicopter, it would be 100% response + sanctions would be introduced.
              3. Ryaruav
                Ryaruav 9 November 2020 21: 15
                -5
                Well, you are our competent, where do you show such figures from or keep quiet from a legonese
              4. RED_ICE
                RED_ICE 9 November 2020 22: 22
                0
                They also gave the Turks a gas pipeline and a nuclear power plant
              5. Roman070280
                Roman070280 10 November 2020 09: 31
                +1
                It cost the Turks 10 billion dollars

                I wonder what we spent them on ..))
            2. vik669
              vik669 9 November 2020 20: 43
              -5
              So again they will pay off with tomatoes or ...?
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 9 November 2020 20: 56
                +2
                What other tomatoes. Now tangerine season is coming.
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 9 November 2020 21: 08
                  +4
                  by the way, but it would be nice to pin down all business in Russia for the Bakuvians
          4. the finish
            the finish 9 November 2020 20: 29
            +3
            I hope everyone who has definitely sinned against Armenia before the trial will apologize!
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 9 November 2020 20: 32
              +3
              yeah, right now bots from Baku will start apologizing ... yeah
          5. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 9 November 2020 20: 40
            +5
            Quote: el Santo
            Didn't the Armenians shoot down over Armenia?

            The Azerbaijanis were shot down! They have already admitted it! am
          6. Olgovich
            Olgovich 9 November 2020 20: 44
            -1
            Quote: el Santo
            Didn't the Armenians shoot down over Armenia? Successful "casus belli" in Armenian.

            no, -
            Russian attack helicopter Mi-24 in Armenia was accidentally shot down by Azerbaijan, Baku apologizes to the Russian side and is ready to pay compensation, the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
            Interfax


            no words ...
          7. Blacksmith 55
            Blacksmith 55 9 November 2020 20: 46
            0
            The message has already passed, Azerbaijan admitted that it was shot down by mistake.
      2. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 9 November 2020 19: 40
        -5
        Quote: Volodin
        How many years have you been in VO and do not know that there is actually a Russian base in Armenia?

        And what, the base is in the area of ​​hostilities? And yes, Armenia seems to be our ally, but Russia has not yet promised to join the battle, so why was the helicopter shot down?
        1. Volodin
          Volodin 9 November 2020 19: 44
          19
          Quote: Starover_Z
          Is the base located in a combat area?

          If this is trolling, then it is generally inappropriate. Find Armenia on the map and estimate the area of ​​its territory. And a helicopter is a machine that can fly not over the parade ground of a military unit ...
        2. PN
          PN 9 November 2020 19: 47
          15
          so why was the helicopter shot down?

          Because he was shot.
          Who and why will now be sorted out.
          1. atalef
            atalef 9 November 2020 19: 57
            +6
            Quote: PN
            so why was the helicopter shot down?

            Because he was shot.
            Who and why will now be sorted out.

            who benefits from it?
            1. passerby
              passerby 9 November 2020 20: 04
              10
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: PN
              so why was the helicopter shot down?

              Because he was shot.
              Who and why will now be sorted out.

              who benefits from it?
              Armenia of course
              1. Alex bergman
                Alex bergman 9 November 2020 20: 29
                +1
                Provocation! They want to be drawn into the war.
              2. figwam
                figwam 9 November 2020 20: 39
                +6
                Azerbaijan shot down a helicopter, it has already been confirmed.
                1. passerby
                  passerby 10 November 2020 05: 59
                  -2
                  Quote: figvam
                  Azerbaijan shot down a helicopter, it has already been confirmed.

                  Yes, it was not an Armenian provocation, it was a brazen and cynical spit in the face of Russia from Azerbaijan, which, knowing about the signing of a trilateral peace treaty, kills Russian pilots, realizing that after the signing of the treaty, this will not entail any consequences for them. And they really just said - oh sorry, and our authorities answered - ok, sorry.
            2. Old tanker
              Old tanker 9 November 2020 20: 22
              +8
              Definitely not to Russia and Azerbaijan. Shoot down the Russians so that before the victory they would fit in for the Armenians and hit the Azerbaijanis on the hat? Obviously not Azerbaijanis alignment. The bad news is that ours there in Gyumri are becoming hostages in this conflict. Like in the early 90s.
              1. krillon
                krillon 9 November 2020 21: 48
                +1
                Azerbaijan recognized, in contrast to the chubaty, that our Tushka was filled up. We will let off steam here, we will bomb everyone, but between the states we have our own style of communication, so we will also accept an apology and compensation and pilots for awards posthumously. Amers have the expression "Friendly fire". One is perplexing. In the same Syria, we found an opportunity to coordinate actions between our Aerospace Forces and the coalition, why is this not implemented here? The war did not start yesterday, and I am sure that there are or should be contacts with the RF Ministry of Defense.
            3. kapitan92
              kapitan92 9 November 2020 20: 38
              +6
              Quote: atalef
              who benefits from it?


              The Russian Mi-24 helicopter crashed in Armenia near the village of Yeraskh, the Russian Defense Ministry reports.
              The incident occurred on Monday at about 17:30 pm Moscow time, when a helicopter was escorting a convoy to the 102nd Russian military base near the border with Azerbaijan.
              "Mi-24 was exposed to fire from the ground from MANPADS. As a result of the missile hit, the helicopter lost control and fell in a mountainous area on the territory of Armenia."

              https://news.rambler.ru/army/45199981-v-armenii-sbili-rossiyskiy-vertolet/?utm_source=head&utm_campaign=self_promo&utm_medium=news&utm_content=news&updated
              Let's think about it! The first thing that comes to mind is the provocation of Armenia. Pashinyan really needs to involve Russia in this war, at the suggestion of the "Washington regional committee", or for other reasons, we will not "wang". The real version is quite!
              DRG Turks? Quite possibly, with the composition of the Syrian "barmaley", and the "boys" there are also literate and know how to fight. Goal? Revenge for the destruction of the Barmaley by the Russian Aerospace Forces in Idlib is quite possible. It is possible to draw the Russian Federation into this conflict and divert forces and resources from Syria.
              "Mamed"? It is also quite possible. At the "request" of Turkish brothers or overseas comrades !?
              Of course, only a thorough, timely investigation can yield any results.
              MI 24 accompanied the 102nd base column, the crew had a flight mission! Leaked info, drain, waited ??? I'm not sure that someone sat down with MANPADS and waited for our helicopter at random !?
              There are many versions! There are more speculations!
              Unfortunately, there are our victims! Sorry! Everlasting memory!
              1. MTN
                MTN 9 November 2020 20: 43
                -21 qualifying.
                Quote: kapitan92
                There are many versions! There are more speculations!

                Statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Azerbaijan

                According to information received from the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Azerbaijan from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on November 9 this year. at 18:30 a military helicopter Mi-24 of the Russian Federation was shot down on the Nakhchivan section of the Armenian-Azerbaijani state border.

                In this regard, the following should be emphasized:

                - the helicopter flight took place in close proximity to the Armenian-Azerbaijani state border, while active military clashes continue in the zone of the Armenian-Azerbaijani Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

                - the flight took place in the dark, at low altitude, outside the air defense radar detection zone.

                - RF Air Force helicopters have not previously been seen in the specified area.

                In the context of these factors and in the light of the tense situation in the region and increased combat readiness in connection with possible provocations of the Armenian side, the duty combat crew decided to open fire to kill.


                The Azerbaijani side apologizes to the Russian side in connection with this tragic incident, which is accidental and was not directed against the Russian side.

                The Azerbaijani side expresses its sincere condolences to the families of the killed crew members and wishes the injured people a speedy recovery.

                The Azerbaijani side declares its readiness to pay appropriate compensation.
                1. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 9 November 2020 20: 47
                  0
                  Interesting information.
                  The Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry said that a Russian military helicopter shot down Baku.



                  https://www.rbc.ru/politics/09/11/2020/5fa97b699a7947ff9daaa953?from=from_main_1
                  Found on news sites. Thanks.
                2. Terrible GMO
                  Terrible GMO 9 November 2020 20: 58
                  +5
                  Quote: MTN
                  The Azerbaijani side expresses its sincere condolences to the families of the killed crew members and wishes the injured people a speedy recovery.

                  They can shove these sincere condolences in one place. And compensation.
                3. Guards turn
                  Guards turn 9 November 2020 21: 21
                  +9
                  What compensation? You killed people!
                4. Andrey NM
                  Andrey NM 9 November 2020 21: 38
                  12
                  Quote: MTN
                  Statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Azerbaijan

                  According to information received from the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Azerbaijan from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on November 9 this year. at 18:30 a military helicopter Mi-24 of the Russian Federation was shot down on the Nakhchivan section of the Armenian-Azerbaijani state border.

                  In this regard, the following should be emphasized:

                  - the helicopter flight took place in close proximity to the Armenian-Azerbaijani state border, while active military clashes continue in the zone of the Armenian-Azerbaijani Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

                  - the flight took place in the dark, at low altitude, outside the air defense radar detection zone.

                  - RF Air Force helicopters have not previously been seen in the specified area.

                  In the context of these factors and in the light of the tense situation in the region and increased combat readiness in connection with possible provocations of the Armenian side, the duty combat crew decided to open fire to kill.

                  The Azerbaijani side apologizes to the Russian side in connection with this tragic incident, which is accidental and was not directed against the Russian side.

                  The Azerbaijani side expresses its sincere condolences to the families of the killed crew members and wishes the injured people a speedy recovery.

                  The Azerbaijani side declares its readiness to pay appropriate compensation.

                  The helicopter flew several kilometers from the border. What is the radius of MANPADS? The calculation probably climbed into the adjacent territory. And in general, based on this statement, it is now possible to shoot down planes and helicopters on a foreign territory simply because they used to have nothing flying there, but now they can fly? Interesting. You can shoot down any aircraft approaching the border and then apologize ... Or our S-300 and S-400 do not know how to shoot? Well, it seemed ... Suddenly it will fly in our direction, but here for safety and ... Moreover, a precedent has been created. We need to act in such a way that they are even afraid to turn in our direction. But our diaspora of these "comrades" is too big. After all, they are connected with their own history. And the conditions must be created for them appropriate. According to the situation, without fanaticism.
                  I don't know ... They spit at us, and we wipe ourselves off ...
              2. MTN
                MTN 9 November 2020 20: 58
                -17 qualifying.
                Quote: kapitan92
                I'm not sure that someone sat down with MANPADS and waited for our helicopter at random !?

                Before drawing conclusions, please consider the following facts.
                1. The helicopter was shot down on the border of Nakhichevan (Azerbaijan) and Armenia.
                2. The range of MANPADS - this indicates how close to the border it flew.
                3. The helicopter flew at low altitudes.
                4. No warnings were made to the Azerbaijani side about the fact that the Russian helicopter should fly over.
                5. What does the Russian helicopter do during the war on the borders of Armenia and Azerbaijan? The Russian military controls the border with Turkey and Iran, not Azerbaijan.

                I think this is sabotage or deliberate provocation.
                1. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 9 November 2020 21: 02
                  0
                  Quote: MTN
                  Before drawing conclusions, please consider the following facts.

                  Conclusions and assumptions are completely different concepts.
                  There are many versions! There are more speculations!

                  This is a quote from my post.
                  The competent authorities of the two countries will figure out who is right or wrong!
                2. Oleg1263
                  Oleg1263 9 November 2020 21: 03
                  0
                  Tell me, just honestly, do you understand that regardless of whether this helicopter was Russian or Armenian, its destruction is an attack on a country that is a member of the CSTO?
                  1. Ryaruav
                    Ryaruav 9 November 2020 21: 24
                    -6
                    1263 ODKB is rubbish, if only the participants themselves did not start butting with each other
                3. IgorIP
                  IgorIP 9 November 2020 22: 13
                  -7
                  Definitely the fault of the Russian command ... As I understand it, Azerbaijan was not warned that we would fly close to the border. I am sure that with such a warning, Azerbaijan would make every effort to prevent such incidents, since he doesn't need them at all.
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                4. Stepan S
                  Stepan S 9 November 2020 23: 37
                  -1
                  I think this is sabotage or deliberate provocation.


                  Provocation from Azerbaijan. It is not without reason that the video was recorded in the indicated place and at this time.
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        3. Rusticolus
          Rusticolus 9 November 2020 19: 58
          -8
          As I understand it, they took an example from Israel. They attacked from someone else's territory, and since they didn't cross the border, it didn't seem like it. What do we have in the neutral waters of the Mediterranean Sea with calibers
          1. Danila46
            Danila46 9 November 2020 20: 18
            +3
            you have advanced psoriasis on your hands.
            It itches a lot, right?
            1. Rusticolus
              Rusticolus 9 November 2020 20: 33
              0
              No, I'm healthy. And I don't even suffer from hairy ape.
              1. Danila46
                Danila46 9 November 2020 21: 27
                0
                alas, but the symptoms are on the face. take care of your health.
                1. Rusticolus
                  Rusticolus 9 November 2020 21: 35
                  -1
                  Aibolit is not about me. Treat your own ... according to the text. lol
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          2. Ryaruav
            Ryaruav 9 November 2020 21: 28
            -4
            Yuri, you are simply formidable like a roaring lion, but you don't want to be the first in the chain, will you go first?
            1. Rostov Papa
              Rostov Papa 9 November 2020 21: 59
              0
              Rachel, I've been there before
        5. tatarin1972
          tatarin1972 9 November 2020 20: 38
          +1
          He did not fly over the war zone.
        6. vik669
          vik669 9 November 2020 20: 46
          -4
          Well, to exclude "friendly fire" is not worth excluding.
      3. frruc
        frruc 9 November 2020 19: 48
        +6
        Perhaps the Mi-24 belongs to the PV FSB of the Russian Federation.
        The border department of the FSB of Russia in Armenia includes four border detachments - in Gyumri, Artashat and Meghri, as well as a separate checkpoint "Armenia" at the "Zvartnots" airport in Yerevan.
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 9 November 2020 20: 24
          -1
          Konashenkov, the head of the RF Ministry of Defense, acknowledged the loss of our helicopter. So an army helicopter, not a PV.
      4. vlad.baryatinsky
        vlad.baryatinsky 9 November 2020 20: 05
        +3
        Quote: Volodin
        How many years have you been in VO and do not know that there is actually a Russian base in Armenia?

        Perhaps provocation !?
        And it's not hard to guess whose?
        Azerbaijanis cannot shoot down the board!
        We need to establish the reason!
        By the wreckage of the ammunition, it is not difficult to determine whose.
        Perhaps there is radar data !?
        And do not forget that the reference to the shooting down of the Russian Aerospace Forces board comes on the basis of the official structures of Armenia. And to be honest, after the "evidence" about the downed SU-25 by the Turks, well, they don't inspire confidence, to put it mildly!
        We are waiting for comments from the command of the 102nd base of the Russian Defense Ministry!
        This is at least!
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 9 November 2020 20: 25
          -2
          Konashnkov confirmed the loss of our helicopter.
        2. vik669
          vik669 9 November 2020 20: 49
          -1
          By the wreckage of ammunition, it is not difficult to determine whose - so the wreckage of ammunition 101% will be Russian, especially if the provocation on the one hand and the Turkish if on the other hand the provocation, so ... the east is a delicate matter!
        3. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 9 November 2020 20: 52
          +3
          Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
          Azerbaijanis cannot shoot down the board!

          Yes, cue you ... from the back! The Azeris have already admitted that they shot down a helicopter!
          1. vlad.baryatinsky
            vlad.baryatinsky 10 November 2020 01: 07
            -1
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Yes, cue you ... from the back!

            Refund you with a surcharge and wish you Satisfaction!
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            The Azeris have already admitted that they shot down a helicopter!

            If you know how to read and paid attention to the time of my post, then you should understand (if you can), then this was written BEFORE Azerbaijan acknowledged responsibility.
      5. Professor
        Professor 9 November 2020 20: 08
        -1
        Quote: Volodin
        Quote: Starover_Z
        What was he doing there?

        How many years have you been in VO and do not know that there is actually a Russian base in Armenia?

        Actually, the Russian base is on the Turkish border, and here we are talking about the Azerbaijani ...
        1. Deniska999
          Deniska999 9 November 2020 20: 13
          +1
          As far as I remember, there are our border guards at the borders there.
          1. Professor
            Professor 9 November 2020 20: 16
            -3
            Quote: Deniska999
            As far as I remember, there are our border guards at the borders there.

            In Iranian and Turkish, but not in Georgian and Azerbaijani.
        2. cniza
          cniza 9 November 2020 20: 15
          +4
          Is it so far away? or is there a ban on approaching another border?
          1. Professor
            Professor 9 November 2020 20: 23
            -2
            Quote: cniza
            Is it so far away? or is there a ban on approaching another border?

            Long away. There are mountains and a flight even over one pass is not trivial. This time.
            Under the Soviets, it was not uncommon for Soviet helicopters to fire from the Turkish side, believing that the helicopters had crossed the border. These are two.
            Smart people do not send their aircraft into the area of ​​other people's warfare. Fraught. These are three.
            1. cniza
              cniza 9 November 2020 20: 25
              +2
              That is, you think that it can be justified, if it is of course true?
              1. Professor
                Professor 9 November 2020 20: 30
                +5
                Quote: cniza
                That is, you think that it can be justified, if it is of course true?

                Where do you see the excuse? It's just time for the generals to think not by the place from which the stripes are directed to the floor, but by the place on which the cap is placed. Either a plane will be sent to the line of fire, or a helicopter will be sent to the border of the belligerent countries. And they always have others to blame.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 9 November 2020 20: 36
                  +2
                  I am not saying that you are justifying, I am asking your opinion?
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 9 November 2020 20: 38
                    0
                    Quote: cniza
                    I am not saying that you are justifying, I am asking your opinion?

                    Mine is higher in the comment. You can't get involved in someone else's war.
                    1. true_rover
                      true_rover 10 November 2020 04: 30
                      -2
                      And what then, Israel always climbs into other people's wars in the Middle East, then Syria interferes (although you yourself sit on their territories in the Golan), then Iran interferes with its mystical atomic bomb
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 10 November 2020 07: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: true_rover
                        And what then, Israel always climbs into other people's wars in the Middle East, then Syria interferes (although you yourself sit on their territories in the Golan), then Iran interferes with its mystical atomic bomb

                        Israel does not climb into other people's wars. Syria is an example of this. Unlike the Russian Federation, there is not a single soldier on the territory of Syria and we do not support any of the parties. Everyone who attacks us gets a response. Whether it be the Assad or the militia.
                      2. true_rover
                        true_rover 10 November 2020 10: 30
                        -1
                        But what about our Il-38, also bombed you, do not drive with your exclusivity and impunity
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 10 November 2020 20: 16
                        +3
                        Quote: true_rover
                        But what about our Il-38, also bombed you, do not drive with your exclusivity and impunity

                        Did we shoot down your Il-38? This is news.
                      4. true_rover
                        true_rover 11 November 2020 08: 33
                        0
                        That is, according to your Il-38, a Syrian Air Force fighter probably failed under the Syrian air defense. It is very convenient to excuse yourself from actions that lead to the death of people.
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 11 November 2020 21: 08
                        +2
                        Quote: true_rover
                        That is, according to your Il-38, a Syrian Air Force fighter probably failed under the Syrian air defense. It is very convenient to excuse yourself from actions that lead to the death of people.

                        On our Il was shot down by the Syrians. On our IL, brainless flight leaders were sent to the line of fire. Our planes were at that time at our airfields.
        3. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 10 November 2020 00: 11
          +1
          It's just time for the generals to think not by the place from which the stripes are directed to the floor, but by the place on which the cap is placed.


          This for sure
    2. tatarin1972
      tatarin1972 9 November 2020 20: 47
      -1
      Are you sure of this that during the Soviet era, the Turks fired at Soviet aircraft? This is a Belli incident. And Turkey would not exist at the moment. They were already warned in those days that: "Instead of the Bosphorus, we can make two more straits, but Istanbul, unfortunately, will not be." So that the Turks sat quietly and did not shine.
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        1. krillon
          krillon 9 November 2020 22: 09
          +2
          Better tell us how on June 8, 1967, the Israelis smashed the Liberty with the Americans on board. 34 killed, 171 wounded and we will listen. As a result, Israel brought an official apology and paid compensation. So you shouldn't throw bile here.
          1. Professor
            Professor 9 November 2020 22: 56
            +1
            Quote: Krillon
            Better tell us how on June 8, 1967, the Israelis smashed the Liberty with the Americans on board. 34 killed, 171 wounded and we will listen. As a result, Israel brought an official apology and paid compensation. So you shouldn't throw bile here.

            What is the connection? request
            1. krillon
              krillon 10 November 2020 00: 48
              +1
              You are not a boy to see the connection. No one will behave like an elephant in a china shop and declare war on Azerbaijan, although they would like to receive satisfaction. It is not in the interests of both states. As in the case of the United States and Israel. And if you have data that Turkey got off with tomatoes and was paid an additional S-400, do not hesitate, voice it.
              1. Professor
                Professor 10 November 2020 07: 23
                +4
                Quote: Krillon
                You are not a boy to see the connection.

                Pulling an owl onto a globe is not my hobby.

                Quote: Krillon
                And if you have information that Turkey got off with tomatoes and was paid an additional S-400, do not hesitate, voice it.

                Turkey didn't even get off with tomatoes.

                https://ria.ru/20171229/1511959994.html
              2. krillon
                krillon 10 November 2020 15: 48
                0
                And what should I understand from this article? The fact that Russia is selling its weapons? So that's understandable. Unable to purchase such complexes in the West, and probably purchased from you where possible. Have you given a loan? And that Turkey is not solvent and may not return the money? This is how you troll, until recently you and Erdogan had their own gesheft, they have spattered today. You have long learned to pull an owl on a globe. Like Raikin's, we play here, we don't play here, but here we wrap the fish. And the passage that in other people's wars you do not directly participate in something. Do you mean there are no Israeli soldiers? I agree. However, you do not hesitate to achieve your goals with someone else's hands. I would understand if someone spoke unfoundedly from outsiders. However, your personalities shed details on events of various kinds, it is enough to look at Eaton TV. Again, what Israel considers a foreign war.
      2. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 10 November 2020 02: 09
        +1
        more careful with the scoop. this is a good utensil for cleaning up all kinds of garbage.
  2. not main
    not main 9 November 2020 21: 46
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Under the Soviets, it was not uncommon for Soviet helicopters to fire from the Turkish side, believing that the helicopters had crossed the border.

    Details, please?
  3. Beringovsky
    Beringovsky 10 November 2020 00: 33
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: cniza
    Is it so far away? or is there a ban on approaching another border?

    Long away. There are mountains and a flight even over one pass is not trivial. This time.
    Under the Soviets, it was not uncommon for Soviet helicopters to fire from the Turkish side, believing that the helicopters had crossed the border. These are two.
    Smart people do not send their aircraft into the area of ​​other people's warfare. Fraught. These are three.

    Don't lie, professor. Yeraskh is right next to the Turkish border.

    You lied, our Israeli friend.
    Well, two.
    Smart people do not send their aircraft into the area of ​​other people's warfare.

    Erash this long away from the area of ​​hostilities. Approximately 100-120 km in a straight line.
    That is, you lied about three statements twice. The over lie rate is 66,6666%. Isn't it too much?
    1. Professor
      Professor 10 November 2020 07: 33
      +1
      Quote: Beringovsky
      Don't lie, professor. Yeraskh is right next to the Turkish border.


      You lied, our Israeli friend.


      1. You are not my friend.
      2. The base is far away:


      Quote: Beringovsky
      Erash is far from the war zone. Approximately 100-120 km in a straight line.
      That is, you lied about three statements twice. The over lie rate is 66,6666%. Isn't it too much?


      Azerbaijan and Armenia are fighting and sending a helicopter to the border between the two belligerent sides is flying. This was proved by the incident with the downed helicopter.

      Reading Comprehension Ratio 0.0%. Isn't it not enough?
  • Terenin
    Terenin 9 November 2020 20: 34
    +6
    Quote: cniza
    Is it so far away? or is there a ban on approaching another border?

    Victor, how is this comment, objective?
    The level of training of combat pilots is surprising. She, preparation, is just about nothing. The Mi-24 is equipped with a launch detection complex. Heat traps are the same. There is an evasion maneuver. Including the so-called. sassy. We missed everything we could. So it makes sense to fly out for escort with such a level of training?
    1. cniza
      cniza 9 November 2020 20: 37
      +2
      Yes, there are a million questions, who, where, and most importantly why? it seems to me that as always sloppiness ...
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 9 November 2020 20: 38
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        Yes, there are a million questions, who, where, and most importantly why? it seems to me that as always sloppiness ...


        Messages from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan have been sent ... Now in the media
        Azerbaijan admits that it accidentally shot down a Russian helicopter and apologizes to the Russian side
        echo.msk.ru7 minutes ago
  • MTN
    MTN 9 November 2020 20: 44
    -13 qualifying.
    Quote: Professor
    Actually, the Russian base is on the Turkish border, and here we are talking about the Azerbaijani ...

    So I have a question, what was the Russian helicopter doing there ......... read

    Statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Azerbaijan

    According to information received from the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Azerbaijan from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on November 9 this year. at 18:30 a military helicopter Mi-24 of the Russian Federation was shot down on the Nakhchivan section of the Armenian-Azerbaijani state border.

    In this regard, the following should be emphasized:

    - the helicopter flight took place in close proximity to the Armenian-Azerbaijani state border, while active military clashes continue in the zone of the Armenian-Azerbaijani Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

    - the flight took place in the dark, at low altitude, outside the air defense radar detection zone.

    - RF Air Force helicopters have not previously been seen in the specified area.

    In the context of these factors and in the light of the tense situation in the region and increased combat readiness in connection with possible provocations of the Armenian side, the duty combat crew decided to open fire to kill.

    The Azerbaijani side apologizes to the Russian side in connection with this tragic incident, which is accidental and was not directed against the Russian side.

    The Azerbaijani side expresses its sincere condolences to the families of the killed crew members and wishes the injured people a speedy recovery.

    The Azerbaijani side declares its readiness to pay appropriate compensation.
    1. Professor
      Professor 9 November 2020 20: 46
      +5
      It is a pity that they shot down. Well done for not denying it.
      1. MTN
        MTN 9 November 2020 21: 04
        -8
        Quote: Professor
        It is a pity that they shot down. Well done for not denying it.

        I am truly sorry for the pilots. But I have other questions. The range of MANPADS is not great (how close it flies near the border). Why does a Russian helicopter fly near the border at low altitudes in the evening knowing that they have not flown here before, all the more there is a war between Azerbaijan and Armenia ...

        Who made the pilots fly this route at such a time?
        1. karima
          karima 9 November 2020 21: 30
          +5
          Quote: MTN
          Why is a Russian helicopter flying near the border at low altitudes
          Dear, it is not Azerbaijan's business why and how the Russian helicopter flew in Armenia, even if it approached the border, but it did not interrupt it. Don't be like the Armenians. They admitted the mistake - well done.
        2. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 10 November 2020 02: 45
          0
          What was Azerbaijan's DRG doing on the territory of Armenia? After all, there is no official war .... perhaps the Turks joined here without asking the Azeri. Turkey may well play its own games here.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 9 November 2020 20: 13
    24
    In such a situation, the Russian authorities have already turned to the parties to the Transcaucasian conflict for clarification.

    I think so ... this is pure diversion. If this is the business of the Armenians, in order to drag Russia into this conflict, then Pashinyan should be dragged to Moscow by the nostrils, and not ask for explanations. If they are Azeibarjanians, then wipe out a couple of regiments of Azeibarjan manpower from the face of the earth, so that in the future it would not even enter the mind to do the same with respect to the citizens of the Russian Federation.
    The citizens of the Russian Federation were killed, and the Kremlin is chewing snot again and asks for clarification.
    Or is our intelligence service working badly and does not know who did it? I doubt it very much.
    1. Garris199
      Garris199 9 November 2020 20: 26
      -3
      And if the Turks? That's ..... you know. winked
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 November 2020 20: 30
        +5
        Quote: Garris199
        And if the Turks? That's ..... you know. winked

        I don’t need to talk about this stupidity about tomatoes here. If the Turks, then destroy all the Turkish military aircraft that fly there. At the same time, shoot the Turkish military without waiting for a peretonit. Or did they forget how Erdogash, when he realized that NATO would not fit in for him, settled down and ran to the Kremlin as if to work?
        1. MTN
          MTN 9 November 2020 21: 07
          -13 qualifying.
          Quote: NEXUS
          I don’t need to talk about this stupidity about tomatoes here. If the Turks, then destroy all the Turkish military aircraft that fly there. At the same time, shoot the Turkish military without waiting for a peretonit. Or did they forget how Erdogash, when he realized that NATO would not fit in for him, settled down and ran to the Kremlin as if to work?

          considering what you wrote, why would Azerbaijan do this? The question is different. Why does a Russian helicopter fly to the border with Azerbaijan without warning to the Azerbaijani side during wartime and at low altitudes? And considering that it was shot down through MANPADS, it means flying near the border. And the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry also says that Russian helicopters did not fly there. Yes, and according to the agreement with Armenia, Russia controls the Turkish and Iranian border and not the Azerbaijan one.

          Azerbaijan is not a suicide to do this on purpose. The question is, who and why made the pilots fly across the border at night and knowing that Azerbaijan is waiting for provocations from Armenia along the entire border.

          I don’t understand this.

          But I feel that either in the ranks of the Russian army there are saboteurs who work in the interests of Armenia .............. or in the Gyumri Base from and to in the interests of Armenia they serve and do everything to involve Russia in this war ...
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 9 November 2020 21: 10
            12
            The question is different. Why does a Russian helicopter fly to the border with Azerbaijan without warning to the Azerbaijani side in wartime and at low altitudes?

            I answer. What a Russian helicopter should do on the Armenian territory is certainly not the business of the Azerbaijani side. Your opinion on this matter is not required.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 9 November 2020 21: 04
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      The citizens of the Russian Federation were killed, and the Kremlin is chewing snot again and asks for clarification.

      The Kremlin has nothing left to do in this situation .. If in Syria they chewed snot when the ambassadors were killed and Peshkov .. if after such a S-400 they put on credit and began to build a nuclear power plant .. That was where it was necessary to decisively punish .. this is in my opinion ..and in this case, there are many questions to the command, one of them, what was our helicopter doing in the conflict zone? After all, it is clear that there will be provocations ..
      Now you can not be led on provocations and take sides ... In Syria, pro-Turkish barmaley need to be deliberately soaked ..
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 November 2020 21: 14
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        The Kremlin has nothing to do in this situation ..

        You're wrong ... there is always leverage. Erdogash, as an uncontrollable and unpredictable leader, didn’t bother Washington, and that is why the Anglo-Saxons wanted to remove him. He will not get involved in a direct military conflict with the Russian Federation, for he is piled like a garbage rat. As for the NPP, S-400, etc. ... there are always losses. Only here there are either material losses, or losses in the loss of face and image. What is more important? Money is dust, and you cannot easily restore your face and authority. In the east, if you do not give back to the enemy, then you are automatically considered a coward. We will not be respected if we do not respect ourselves.
        For every sabotage, crooked word towards the Russian Federation, any unfriendly and hostile action or word, it is necessary to punish in order to understand that there will be retribution and will have to answer in ANY case.
        Quote: Svarog
        Now you cannot be led on provocations and take sides ..

        And I'm not talking about accepting someone's side in this conflict ... I'm talking about specifically the side that killed our citizens and this has nothing to do with the conflict itself.
        Quote: Svarog
        what was our helicopter doing in the conflict zone? After all, it is clear that there will be provocations ..

        There may be a hundred reasons ... but aircraft identification in any case should be. And those who shot down the turntable knew for sure that it was a Russian turntable.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 9 November 2020 21: 28
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          We will not be respected if we do not respect ourselves.

          That's for sure..
          There may be a hundred reasons ... but aircraft identification in any case should be. And those who shot down the turntable knew for sure that it was a Russian turntable.

          Here there are many questions to which the investigation must answer .. How did they find out about the turntable .. Who gave the order to patrol in the conflict zone? Maybe the mole dug in and organized a provocation?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 9 November 2020 21: 35
            +5
            Quote: Svarog
            Who gave the order to patrol the conflict zone? Maybe the mole dug in and organized a provocation?

            Do not look for a black cat in a black room ... I think everything is extremely simple - they saw it, they shot it down. At the same time, we visually SEEN Russian identification marks, because the turntable flew low. That is, this is a diversion, after which everyone will look at the reaction of the Kremlin. Namely, - what it will be. If it’s just a note of protest, then we can continue to wipe our feet about the image of Russia's superpower, killing its citizens with impunity. I clearly explained what I am leading to?
            Moreover, Azeibarjan has already stated that it was they who shot down, allegedly by mistake, our turntable. My mother, Epona, deja vu. What about our SU-shka and the Turks, what about the Jews ...
            Here, listening to the fiery speeches of the Kremlin about unity and greatness, we want to say to our helmsmen-GUYS, EITHER REMOVE YOU SHIRTS OR WEAR A CROSS!
  • bayard
    bayard 9 November 2020 20: 16
    -3
    If the helicopter is really shot down and the pilots died ... Russia has many ... many reasons to intervene in this conflict. Militants from Syria on the territory of Azerbaijan and their replacement now with other militants - mountaineers with experience in military operations in the mountains, people from the Caucasus ... greatly aggravate the situation around Karabakh ...
    ... And Pashinyan is still in power and is well ...
    It is a sin to harness such an ally, especially in a conflict of SUCH nature, but it looks like Azerbaijan is doing too much that will lead to Russia's intervention.
    If Azerbaijan becomes a threat (!) To the security of Russia in the Caucasus (international terrorists are natives of Chechnya, Dagestan, Georgia), then it may happen that the issue will have to be solved radically, and not in Karabakh.
    ... Aliyev was just given carte blanche in Karabakh ...
    The fusion of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces with international terrorism can have a very bad effect on the future of this country. The war for the return of their lands is sacred in the eyes of the people and fair for those around them, but (!!!) the involvement of international terrorists puts Azerbaijan on a par with ISIS and Al-Qaeda (prohibited in the Russian Federation and not only).
    Does Azerbaijan need such a status?
    Is he ready for the consequences arising from this mistake?
    Does he (Azerbaijan) need these, now inevitable, consequences?
    And does he need enmity with Russia, the evidence of which is the helicopter shot down today?
    The helicopter can be an annoying mistake ... but the terrorists ... it's much worse.
    I'm sorry .
    1. MIG_2
      MIG_2 9 November 2020 20: 21
      -16 qualifying.
      militants from Syria are fighting only for Armenia, the Armenian side does not hide them, only they called them not mercenaries, but volunteers
      1. bayard
        bayard 10 November 2020 01: 28
        -1
        If ethnic Armenians arrive in Karabakh from Syria and Lebanon, this is their choice and their solidarity with their fellow tribesmen. It's another matter if they are Kurds and other combatants, they are mercenaries.
        In the same way, no one will consider an Azerbaijani guy from the Diaspora as a mercenary (and there are no less of them than in the Armenian Diaspora), if he comes to the war in Karabakh, this is his right and his choice.
        We are talking about INTERNATIONAL TERRORISTS from Al-Qaeda, ISIS and their units and iterations.
        If you decide to fight for your land, fight yourself, this is your land (?).
        Now about the downed helicopter.
        A Russian helicopter was shot down over the territory of Armenia OUTSIDE THE CONFLICT ZONE, while escorting a RUSSIAN military convoy.
        Don't you think this is a "casus bailey"?
        Don't you think that the rocket calculations of the Russian Army can also be mistaken? Only a lot more weighty!
        And then apologize that it was just "an error occurred."
        After that, the Investigative Committee and the Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation will deal with Azerbaijani business in Russia ... and compliance with migration legislation.
        But Russia didn’t prevent you from solving your “Karabakh issue”.

        Okay, Armenians, for them to drag Russia into a conflict is a dream and a chance for survival ... And even many visitors to our site were increasingly inclined to the correctness of Azerbaijan's claims to Karabakh.
        ... I doubt that their opinion remains the same today.
        And not with regard to the rights to Karabakh.
        With regard to Azerbaijan itself.
        Quote: MIG_2
        militants from Syria are fighting only for Armenia, the Armenian side does not hide them, only they called them not mercenaries, but volunteers

        Many ethnic Armenians have lived (and still live) in Syria.
        And at the expense of the Kurds ... Armenia is a poor country and hardly has the money to pay for the mercenaries of the Kurds.
        However, if there are any, then they are certainly mercenaries. However, Kurds are not international terrorists.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 01: 32
          -1
          Everything has been hushed up. As they say, no comment.
          1. bayard
            bayard 10 November 2020 01: 51
            -1
            At the Foreign Ministry level, perhaps.
            But from today on, the relationship will no longer be able to remain the same.
            And there will be more and more questions about international terrorists supplied by the Turks.
            They will be put more and more hard.
            And conclusions from what happened will certainly be drawn.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 01: 54
              -1
              Nothing will happen. We'll swallow everything and smile. Armenia has surrendered, our peacekeepers are entering Karabakh, Azerbaijan is taking everything.
              1. bayard
                bayard 10 November 2020 02: 03
                0
                If so, then I don't mind.
                Besides :
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                Swallow everything
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 02: 11
                  -1
                  I am also against. But our power is not. Putin and Aliyev have just signed an agreement via video link, smiling and rejoicing at each other. To the same:
                  Joint peacekeeping mission of Turkey and Russia will be in Karabakh - President of Azerbaijan
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 10 November 2020 02: 30
                    0
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Joint peacekeeping mission of Turkey and Russia will be in Karabakh - President of Azerbaijan

                    This is the problem.
                    Everything is fine, except for Turkey.
                  2. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 02: 50
                    -2
                    Quote: bayard
                    This is the problem.

                    The problem is different. Look at your hands and only at them. As far as I remember you are a person of age, you will understand everything.
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  • private person
    private person 9 November 2020 20: 29
    -1
    How many years have you been in VO and do not know that there is actually a Russian base in Armenia?

    And what does the RF Air Force have to do with it? Obviously, the Armenians want to drag the Russian Federation into the conflict.
  • private person
    private person 9 November 2020 21: 18
    -3
    How many years have you been in VO and do not know that there is actually a Russian base in Armenia?

    And that you can fly in the DB zone? Even if Russia is not a party to the conflict?
  • iouris
    iouris 9 November 2020 21: 56
    0
    Quote: Volodin
    Armenia is actually a Russian base

    Is this a military base?
  • Stepan53274
    Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 14
    -3
    Armenian provocation. A helicopter with Armenians serving at the 102nd base flew a kilometer from the border of the countries leading active hostilities, why did the authorities of the 102nd base not plot a safer route?
    1. bayard
      bayard 10 November 2020 01: 42
      0
      The helicopter accompanied the military convoy of the Russian Army, which was moving to strengthen the border points, where the RUSSIAN border guards are serving. According to existing international agreements.
      And the incident happened OUTSIDE the conflict zone!
      It is far enough from Karabakh.
      In addition, Azerbaijan and Armenia committed themselves not to fire on each other's territory, and military operations should not go beyond Karabakh and the areas occupied by Armenians.
      Have you heard about this?
      Therefore, no one expected such impudence and swindling from the Azerbaijani side.
      But he waited!
      Russia guaranteed Armenia (as a member of the CSTO) territorial integrity within its state borders.
      Karabakh is not included in these borders.
      It is for these purposes that Russia is placing its observation posts on the border with Azerbaijan.
      Russia was in its own rights and acted quite legitimately.
      But the actions of the Azerbaijani side can be viewed as an act of direct, unprovoked aggression.
      And the conflict in Karabakh has nothing to do with it.
  • kieferandreas
    kieferandreas 11 November 2020 01: 40
    0
    strangely it turns out that not all MI helicopters were equipped with electronic warfare PRIZIDENT, otherwise they boasted in the army acceptance that they would equip everything and everyone. it is a pity that hands did not reach this car.
  • 210ox
    210ox 9 November 2020 19: 39
    -55 qualifying.
    And what is the Russian military base doing in Armenia?
    1. razved
      razved 9 November 2020 19: 50
      18
      102 RVB is located in the RA in accordance with a bilateral agreement. It was created on the basis of the motorized rifle division of the Soviet Army.
      1. private person
        private person 9 November 2020 21: 22
        -3
        according to the bilateral agreement
        The CONTRACT is not yet a reason to fly in the DB zone. The question is for those who gave the go-ahead.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 9 November 2020 19: 52
      +3
      Ask the Armenians. Although if the turntable was shot down over the territory of Armenia, then there is a reason to think. Who and why?
      1. Cron
        Cron 9 November 2020 20: 03
        +1
        Quote: TermNachTER
        Ask the Armenians. Although if the turntable was shot down over the territory of Armenia, then there is a reason to think. Who and why?

        And on su-25 infa was confirmed, or not? I am missing something. They also said that the Turks shot down over Armenia
        1. MIG_2
          MIG_2 9 November 2020 20: 22
          0
          just a couple of days, and then silence, when they realized that the version with the Turks did not work
      2. Stepan53274
        Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 16
        -2
        : 80% of the employees at the 102nd base are Armenians. Losing the war for the territories occupied by Armenia, the Armenians committed a provocation in order to involve Russia in the conflict. A helicopter with Armenians serving at the 102nd base flew a kilometer from the border of the countries leading active hostilities, why did the authorities of the 102nd base not plot a safer route?
    3. major147
      major147 9 November 2020 20: 03
      +7
      Quote: 210ox
      And what is the Russian military base doing in Armenia?

      As the Armenians say, we occupy them request
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    5. RUSS
      RUSS 9 November 2020 20: 06
      -5
      Quote: 210ox
      And what is the Russian military base doing in Armenia?

      You have not been understood correctly, you probably wanted to ask, "why is the Russian military base in Armenia"?
    6. cniza
      cniza 9 November 2020 20: 16
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      And what is the Russian military base doing in Armenia?


      Respects our interests ...
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    8. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 November 2020 20: 19
      -1
      Quote: 210ox
      And what is the Russian military base doing in Armenia?

      The 102nd Russian military base was created in accordance with the Treaty on the Legal Status of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on the Territory of Armenia, signed on August 21, 1992, and the Treaty on the Russian military base on the territory of the Republic of Armenia dated March 16, 1995

      The agreement on the operation of the base was concluded for a period of 25 years, and was extended for another 49 years (until 2044) during the visit of Russian President Dmitry A. Medvedev to Armenia in 2010. As Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov explained, the questions for which the Russian military will be responsible relate to the territory of Armenia, that is, in the event of any external threat to Armenia, this will be considered as an external threat to Russia.

      At the end of the formation of the United Group of Forces of Russia and Armenia in 2017, the military base became part of the grouping together with units of the Armed Forces of Armenia
    9. sergo1914
      sergo1914 9 November 2020 21: 12
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      And what is the Russian military base doing in Armenia?


      Are you seriously so wooden in life, or did you take any additional courses?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 9 November 2020 19: 43
    10
    It seems that Kalonna accompanied the Russian one, on the border with Nakhichevan, there is no war there.
    1. Stepan53274
      Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 18
      -4
      Nakhichevan is part of Azerbaijan. 80% of employees at the 102nd base are Armenians. Losing the war for the territories occupied by Armenia, the Armenians committed a provocation in order to involve Russia in the conflict. A helicopter with Armenians serving at the 102nd base flew a kilometer from the border of the countries leading active hostilities, why did the authorities of the 102nd base not plot a safer route?
  • d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 9 November 2020 19: 47
    +3
    You ask strange questions about how you fell from the moon.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 9 November 2020 19: 50
      +6
      I ask? I answered a stupid question about what makes a Russian helicopter in Armenia a question about a military base. The people apparently did not understand.
      1. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 9 November 2020 20: 29
        +1
        Sorry, apparently, like me, they did not pay attention to the arrow.
  • razved
    razved 9 November 2020 19: 48
    +6
    There is no fighting in that area. Yeraskh is located practically on the border with Nakhichevan, in whose territory there has been no firing since the beginning of hostilities, and the Armenians have not fired towards Nakhichevan.
    1. figwam
      figwam 9 November 2020 20: 04
      0
      Quote: razved
      Yeraskh is located practically on the border with Nakhichevan

      But Turkey is also nearby. They say that from MANPADS.
      1. razved
        razved 9 November 2020 20: 24
        0
        If my memory serves me right from Eraskh to the Turkish border in a straight line of 5 kilometers. Actually, it is necessary to look at WHO IS FAVORABLE! After all, if the shot was from the NAR, Russia must respond. Then the reaction of Turkey, etc. etc....
        The Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry has just admitted that they shot down our turntable. We apologize, ready to compensate ... am
    2. Stepan53274
      Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 22
      -2
      2 states are at war. Yesterday they did not shoot, today they can, the military is in the highest degree of readiness. And then imagine a helicopter with Armenian provocateurs flying at a low altitude a kilometer from the border. Of course they will shoot down wherever the base authorities are looking? And in general: the base in Gyumri, hundreds of kilometers from Nakhichevan, it is immediately clear that the Armenian provocation
  • Alexey Bobrin
    Alexey Bobrin 9 November 2020 19: 55
    0
    And what are the Russian military doing in Gyumri? He accompanied a Russian automobile convoy
  • Maz
    Maz 9 November 2020 19: 58
    +5
    Bad of course, but good that Boeing is not civil as in Ukraine. I've been waiting for something like this for a long time. It is a pity that at these bases on helicopters near the war, there is no launch warning system and catapults for pilots like on kamers.
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  • Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 9 November 2020 20: 11
    +6
    Quote: Starover_Z
    Didn't they know that it was unsafe to fly in a combat area?

    Generally, there are no military operations on the territory of Armenia.
    1. Stepan53274
      Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 25
      -3
      2 states are at war. Yesterday they did not shoot at this section of the border, today they can, the military is in the highest degree of readiness. And then imagine a helicopter flying with Armenian provocateurs serving at the 102nd base at a low altitude so that the air defense is not detected, a kilometer from the border. Of course they will shoot down wherever the base authorities are looking? And in general: the base in Gyumri, hundreds of kilometers from Nakhichevan, it is immediately clear that the Armenian provocation
  • basmach
    basmach 9 November 2020 20: 16
    +2
    The message on the soap indicates that he was escorting a convoy from base 102.
  • Terenin
    Terenin 9 November 2020 20: 36
    +3
    Quote: Starover_Z
    What was he doing there? Didn't they know that it was unsafe to fly in a combat area? Who sent them there?
    And the dead are truly sorry!


    Now in the media
    Azerbaijan admits that it accidentally shot down a Russian helicopter and apologizes to the Russian side
    echo.msk.ru7 minutes ago
  • Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 9 November 2020 20: 37
    +2
    Azerbaijan took responsibility for the shooting down of the helicopter. Due to the proximity to the database, as I understand it, they zhahnuli or mb drg across the border. It's a pity for the guys ... But at least they didn't crumple their boobs like it's not us and stuff
    1. Stepan53274
      Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 26
      -3
      2 states are at war. Yesterday they did not shoot at this section of the border, today they can, the military is in the highest degree of readiness. And then imagine a helicopter flying with Armenian provocateurs serving at the 102nd base at a low altitude so that the air defense does not detect it, a kilometer from the border. Of course they will shoot down wherever the base authorities are looking? And one more thing: the 102nd base in Gyumri, hundreds of kilometers from the border with Nakhichevan (where it happened), it is immediately clear that the Armenian provocation
  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 9 November 2020 20: 42
    +1
    It was reported on the first channel ROSS. TV. Our helicopter was shot down by the Azerbaijanis ... and the zers shot down our guys ...
    1. Stepan53274
      Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 27
      -3
      Armenian provocation. 2 states are at war. Yesterday they did not shoot at this section of the border, today they can, the military is in the highest degree of readiness. And then imagine a helicopter flying with Armenian provocateurs serving at the 102nd base at a low altitude so that the air defense does not detect it, a kilometer from the border. Of course they will shoot down wherever the base authorities are looking? And one more thing: the 102nd base in Gyumri, hundreds of kilometers from the border with Nakhichevan (where it happened), it is immediately clear that the Armenian provocation
  • Bronekot
    Bronekot 9 November 2020 21: 19
    0
    The question is not appropriate there is our base. Why do they fly there without installing Vitebsk? Or they are all in Syria only.
  • Counter Strike
    Counter Strike 9 November 2020 21: 59
    +1
    the helicopter was far from any hostilities.
    the helicopter flew at the opposite end of the country, far from all hostilities.
    on the map, an arrow indicates the place where they shot down. Karabakh and the front are on the opposite side across the whole of Armenia. This is clearly a provocation.
    1. Stepan53274
      Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 28
      -8
      Armenian provocation. 2 states are at war. Yesterday they did not shoot at this section of the border, today they can, the military is in the highest degree of readiness. And then imagine a helicopter flying with Armenian provocateurs serving at the 102nd base at a low altitude so that the air defense does not detect it, a kilometer from the border. Of course they will shoot down wherever the base authorities are looking? And one more thing: the 102nd base in Gyumri, hundreds of kilometers from the border with Nakhichevan (where it happened), it is immediately clear that the Armenian provocation
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 9 November 2020 23: 22
        +1
        I don't even understand, it says in Russian that he shot down Azerbaijan and he apologizes and is ready to discuss compensation. Are you by any chance from the Baltic states?
        1. Skarpzd
          Skarpzd 10 November 2020 02: 28
          0
          stepan53274 (Stepan)
          either a bot or a stupid person. it is worth looking at the registration for VO and everything falls into place.
  • brr1
    brr1 9 November 2020 22: 16
    +2
    Quote: Starover_Z
    What was he doing there? Didn't they know that it was unsafe to fly in a combat area? Who sent them there?
    And the dead are truly sorry!

    And where on the border with Nakhichevan is the area b / d ???
  • aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 9 November 2020 22: 21
    +1
    it is clearly stated: he guarded the column. but who was it in the right place at the right time? Efim Kopelyan: information for thought.
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 10 November 2020 02: 05
    0
    Quote: Starover_Z
    What was he doing there? Didn't they know that it was unsafe to fly in a combat area? Who sent them there?

    This is 200 km from the hostilities, over Armenia, with which Azerbaijan is not at war! am
  • 210ox
    210ox 9 November 2020 19: 37
    +5
    Draw Russia into the conflict in any way? I hope the pilots are alive.
    1. Sergey Ui
      Sergey Ui 9 November 2020 19: 40
      +9
      2 dead, 1 run
    2. Prahlad
      Prahlad 9 November 2020 19: 51
      -2
      Died, things suck
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 9 November 2020 19: 54
      +4
      This is really a provocation with the aim of dragging our country into a showdown between Armenians and Azerbaijanis! It is a pity for those killed on board the helicopter, sincerely condolences to the relatives and colleagues of the pilots.
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        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 9 November 2020 20: 21
          +5
          Quote: TechPriest
          A provocation - to fly in the area of ​​the base and then blame if you came under fire. In general, most likely, they themselves shot down. Or Armenians.

          Territory of Armenia district bd? If it were so, then the Russian Federation would have already been dragged into the conflict, as a result of fulfilling obligations as a member of the ODKB
          1. Stepan53274
            Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 29
            -4
            It seems like Tochka-U and other missiles are not being fired from the territory of Armenia at Azerbaijan? Yes every day. Armenian provocation. 2 states are at war. Yesterday they did not shoot at this section of the border, today they can, the military is in the highest degree of readiness. And then imagine a helicopter flying with Armenian provocateurs serving at the 102nd base at a low altitude so that the air defense is not detected, a kilometer from the border. Of course they will shoot down wherever the base authorities are looking? And one more thing: the 102nd base in Gyumri, hundreds of kilometers from the border with Nakhichevan (where it happened), it is immediately clear that the Armenian provocation
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 November 2020 20: 00
        +5
        And Russia will not be drawn into it anyway, if it was shot down from MANPADS, then the fragments of the missile from it will tell a lot about who was shooting.
      3. Old tanker
        Old tanker 9 November 2020 20: 30
        -2
        Pashinyan took another step to ensure that Russia finally turned its back on him.
  • Cron
    Cron 9 November 2020 19: 37
    28
    If this is true, then either everything within a radius of several kilometers from where the attack was carried out should be destroyed, or Russia can be spit endlessly.
    1. sustav75
      sustav75 9 November 2020 19: 41
      39
      You can spit! What they are doing! Shooting down planes! Monuments are being demolished! Sports are killed! Right now, the Foreign Ministry or the sands will mumble something that is not articulate and everyone will calm down!
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 9 November 2020 20: 33
        +4
        And we ourselves don't demolish our monuments, don't we spit in our past? And now we demand respect from others.
        1. sustav75
          sustav75 10 November 2020 01: 45
          0
          Yeltsin Center monument ?! I think that many formuchans would not have wavered to remove the Russian from the face of the earth, this is the war of "democrats". And it is impossible to equate Yeltsin with the same hero Konev, who was demolished in the Czech Republic ...
      2. NI1
        NI1 10 November 2020 05: 38
        +1
        What else can we do? Let's be honest: nothing. We were silent before and now we are silent.
    2. cmax
      cmax 9 November 2020 19: 48
      +9
      Quote: Cron
      If this is true, then either everything within a radius of several kilometers from where the attack was carried out should be destroyed, or Russia can be spit endlessly.

      Why the helicopter did not have self-defense systems against MANPADS. Here is an example of the lack of required equipment on board. Damn, but super marshals in new uniforms flaunt at parades. No money, but you hold on. I'm sorry for the guys.
      1. Cron
        Cron 9 November 2020 19: 57
        +4
        Ours were supposed to update the equipment and expand the contingent on this base, but Armenia did not agree
        1. Stepan53274
          Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 31
          -3
          Armenia still has not betrayed the killer of Russian special forces soldier Belyankin
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 9 November 2020 21: 17
        0
        Why the helicopter did not have self-defense systems against MANPADS

        And by the way, it's not a fact that the base in Armenia is equipped with the latest technology. There may be an old Mi that has not undergone modernization since the days of the USSR.
    3. Prahlad
      Prahlad 9 November 2020 19: 52
      -1
      Express concern and that's it
    4. deniso
      deniso 9 November 2020 19: 57
      +4
      Quote: Cron
      If this is true, then either everything within a radius of several kilometers from where the attack was carried out should be destroyed, or Russia can be spit endlessly.


      Our concern, as always, and then swallowed and muffled as usual.
  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 9 November 2020 19: 38
    +7
    They are pulling us into their war ... Anointed with the blood of our guys ..
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 9 November 2020 20: 07
      +4
      Quote: 30 vis
      Draw us into their war ...

      There is only one question - Who? Since it is beneficial for too many, and some are frankly interested in this.
      Who exactly is using whom? The leadership of Armenia, Karabakh, Western special services, Turks, militants and mercenaries from other countries? Will there be an answer to these questions and real consequences for the organizers of the provocation?
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 9 November 2020 20: 36
        -2
        This is clearly not profitable for the Turks. To fight with Russia. At the very least, they were shaken down in Syria and Libya and did not enter into open confrontation. And then suddenly we will grapple.
    2. Stepan53274
      Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 34
      -6
      80% of employees at the 102nd base are Armenians. This is an Armenian provocation. 2 states are at war. Yesterday they did not shoot at this section of the border, today they can, the military is in the highest degree of readiness. And then imagine a helicopter flying with Armenian provocateurs serving at the 102nd base at a low altitude so that the air defense does not detect it, a kilometer from the border. Of course they will shoot down wherever the base authorities are looking? And one more thing: the 102nd base in Gyumri, hundreds of kilometers from the border with Nakhichevan (where it happened), the head of the base could not lay a safer route than 1 km from the state border of the warring states?
  • BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 9 November 2020 19: 38
    13
    Error or provocation? It is obvious that our troops are trying to drag them into the conflict.
    Condolences to relatives ...
    1. lucul
      lucul 9 November 2020 19: 41
      10
      Error or provocation? It is obvious that our troops are trying to drag them into the conflict.

      Yes, but a provocation, don't even go to the grandmother.
  • Cron
    Cron 9 November 2020 19: 38
    +7
    Quote: Starover_Z
    What was he doing there?

    Flew
    1. cmax
      cmax 9 November 2020 19: 50
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: Cron
      Quote: Starover_Z
      What was he doing there?

      Flew

      You are the wittiest, yes. What was he doing there?
      1. Cron
        Cron 9 November 2020 20: 00
        10
        Well, as I say, I flew. Why couldn't he just fly over the territory of Armenia? Moreover, it was near Nakhichevan, where there are no hostilities
        1. Stepan53274
          Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 35
          -3
          / 80% of the employees at the 102nd base are Armenians. This is an Armenian provocation. 2 states are at war. Yesterday they did not shoot at this section of the border, today they can, the military is in the highest degree of readiness. And then imagine a helicopter flying with Armenian provocateurs serving at the 102nd base at a low altitude so that the air defense is not detected, a kilometer from the border. Of course they will shoot down wherever the base authorities are looking? And one more thing: the 102nd base in Gyumri, hundreds of kilometers from the border with Nakhichevan (where it happened), the head of the base could not lay a safer route than 1 km from the state bordering states?
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 9 November 2020 21: 18
        0
        They write to accompany the column.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 9 November 2020 19: 38
    13
    The perpetrators must be identified and punished. Be it Aliyev, Erdogan, Pashinyan or someone else ...
    1. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 9 November 2020 19: 42
      22
      Quote: faterdom
      The perpetrators must be identified and punished. Be it Aliyev, Erdogan, Pashinyan

      The same as punished for the downed plane? There won't be enough tomatoes.
      1. Airdefense
        Airdefense 9 November 2020 19: 49
        -3
        Well, by the way, they were punished and not bad, tomatoes are only the tip of the iceberg, Erdoganchik came running to personally ask Putin for forgiveness, although before that he had said something completely different.
        1. Terrible GMO
          Terrible GMO 9 November 2020 20: 12
          +7
          Quote: Airdefense
          Erdoganchik came running to personally ask Putin for forgiveness,

          Oh yes, I ran to ask for forgiveness and apologized. And then he closed the gas branch in Turkey, began to fight with the Russian "ally" and, perhaps, with the Russian Federation itself, not with his own hands. With the help of Azerbaijan, it knocks Armenia out of NK and, accordingly, Russian influence in the region. And he does a lot, in addition to the already shed blood and shot down planes with turntables.

          He apologized smile
          1. Stepan53274
            Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 42
            -3
            Cover the gas line? So right now the crisis, in Turkey, almost the entire summer season broke down, this is minus billions of green profits from tourists. Azerbaijan asked Russia to peacefully put pressure on Armenia for 30 years and return at least 5 out of 7 regions not included in Karabakh itself? I asked. There was no result. And then Turkey turned up, just need gas because the crisis, pandemic, there are no tourists, little money. And so everything is clear. And the Russian influence in the region is knocked out by the Armenians who burned Russian flags and shouted Russians to get out of Armenia. Armenians in many Russian media, Lavrov is Armenian. Armenians parasitize on Russian hospitality. Armenia still has not betrayed the murderer of the Russian special forces soldier Belyankin. In the 90s, Colonel Chekmarev was killed in Armenia. Now the American biolaboratories of the 3rd level have been installed in Armenia.
        2. tech3030
          tech3030 9 November 2020 20: 15
          +6
          Enough nonsense about the apology to fence - they are not there and never was! Nowhere did I see or hear that Erdogan would apologize, their prime minister boasted that he was shot down correctly! Enough wishful thinking. Erdogan just spat in the face and Putin wiped himself off!
          1. Airdefense
            Airdefense 9 November 2020 20: 28
            -2
            Putin is wiping himself off and wiping himself off, practically squeezing Turkey out of Syria.
            1. sustav75
              sustav75 10 November 2020 01: 50
              +2
              Why won't Putin hold another parade in Syria? On the occasion of the victory over Turkey ?! And where did Vova squeeze Turkey? To Armenia? Bravo! Damn it pancake ...
          2. Stepan53274
            Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 45
            -5
            Armenian provocateur. There were apologies, the fact that you did not hear it does not mean anything yet
      2. sergey32
        sergey32 9 November 2020 20: 01
        +3
        The Turks were punished by the Kurds, conducting a sabotage against the pilots who shot down our plane. But the Jews who substituted our Il under the Syrian missile are still breathing. And we must learn from Israel - an eye for an eye. if they are Azerbaijanis (most likely) they need to spoil the holiday of the capture of Shushi. Russia has all the possibilities.
        1. sustav75
          sustav75 9 November 2020 20: 11
          +6
          The Russian army has all the possibilities! But the indecisive Putin does not have them!
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 9 November 2020 20: 14
          -1
          Quote: sergey32
          The Turks were punished by the Kurds, conducting a sabotage against the pilots who shot down our plane. But the Jews who substituted our Il under the Syrian missile are still breathing. And we must learn from Israel - an eye for an eye. if they are Azerbaijanis (most likely) they need to spoil the holiday of the capture of Shushi. Russia has all the possibilities.

          Why would the Azerbaijanis who started the war do this after the capture of Shushi? Everyone knows who was interested in drawing Russia into the conflict.
          1. Stavros
            Stavros 9 November 2020 20: 28
            -2
            And if it turns out that it was the Cavtatars who shot it down, who then will you look like?
            And by the way, the Armenians have Shushi.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 9 November 2020 20: 40
              0
              Quote: Stavros
              And if it turns out that it was the Cavtatars who shot it down, who then will you look like?
              And by the way, the Armenians have Shushi.

              What do I have to do with it? laughing
              Armenia's attempts to involve the Russian Federation in the war were from the very beginning, to protect the nation of marshals and generals from tomato traders, but about Shushi - the mayor's office is definitely not, the rest - I don't know request
        3. MIG_2
          MIG_2 9 November 2020 20: 27
          -3
          here you are a stupid person - Mayor of Ankara Melih Gokcek announced the elimination of a Turkish Air Force pilot who shot down a Russian Su-24M over Latakia, it was he who was flying one of the combat helicopters hijacked by the putschists ..
        4. Stepan53274
          Stepan53274 9 November 2020 22: 46
          -5
          An Armenian provocateur? What does a Russian care about Shushi, at least someone knows where this village is?
    2. lucul
      lucul 9 November 2020 19: 43
      +1
      The perpetrators must be identified and punished.

      Contractor or customer?
      They will take the maximum performer and that's it ...
    3. sustav75
      sustav75 9 November 2020 19: 46
      +2
      Putin's cowardly policy? Not? Not guilty?
  • Graz
    Graz 9 November 2020 19: 39
    -38 qualifying.
    We need a massive missile strike on the territory of Azerbaijan, this should have been done at the very beginning
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 9 November 2020 19: 45
      +9
      Quote: Graz
      We need a massive missile strike on the territory of Azerbaijan, this should have been done at the very beginning

      And what about the United States or Turkey? Did you want a little victorious war?
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 9 November 2020 19: 51
      +2
      It is necessary to find the guilty and destroy.
    3. Past the crocodile
      Past the crocodile 9 November 2020 19: 53
      -5
      Yeah, attack Azerbaijan with tomatoes.
    4. Turanov
      Turanov 9 November 2020 19: 59
      -2
      Quote: Graz
      We need a massive missile strike on the territory of Azerbaijan, this should have been done at the very beginning

      With Pashinyan? , Yes, he may have merged all the coordinates of military checkpoints and movements in Karabakh
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 November 2020 20: 02
      -2
      Do you have proof that it was Azerbaijan who shot and who was shooting at all?
    6. Gofman
      Gofman 9 November 2020 20: 02
      +1
      Quote: Graz
      We need a massive missile strike on the territory of Azerbaijan

      The campaign who benefits from the death of our helicopter and the pilots becomes obvious.
    7. RUSS
      RUSS 9 November 2020 20: 08
      +7
      Quote: Graz
      We need a massive missile strike on the territory of Azerbaijan, this should have been done at the very beginning

      Are you crazy?
  • Sergey Ui
    Sergey Ui 9 November 2020 19: 39
    +2
    Tomatoes !!!
    1. Garris199
      Garris199 9 November 2020 19: 42
      0
      laughing Load the tomatoes! Tomatoes fire!
  • Cron
    Cron 9 November 2020 19: 41
    +5
    Quote: Starover_Z
    What was he doing there? Didn't they know that it was unsafe to fly in a combat area? Who sent them there?
    And the dead are truly sorry!

    Was shot down from the side of Nakhichevan, there is no military action
  • Ham
    Ham 9 November 2020 19: 41
    22
    the Armenians are trying their best to drag Russia into the conflict ... perhaps they shot it down themselves - the provocateurs are still the same ...
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 9 November 2020 19: 56
      +6
      Quote: Ham
      the Armenians are trying their best to drag Russia into the conflict ... perhaps they shot it down themselves - the provocateurs are still the same ...


      Perhaps, although the Azerbaijanis and Turks could have shot down, there was already a precedent with the Su-24 in 2015, they could have shot down in revenge for Syria (Idlib), or simply showed who is in charge here) different options could be.
    2. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 9 November 2020 20: 02
      +7
      Let them first figure out what to speculate now?
      Nothing is known.
      And my condolences.
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 9 November 2020 19: 42
    13
    Is that why Azerbaijan or Turkey needs it? They seem to be fine so far ... repeat
    1. Airdefense
      Airdefense 9 November 2020 19: 50
      +6
      Why did Turkey shoot down the plane?
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 9 November 2020 19: 52
        +6
        Quote: Airdefense
        Why did Turkey shoot down the plane?

        A helicopter, but I also don't see any benefit here for Turkey or Azerbaijan. You must first carefully figure out who benefits from it. I think we will find out the answer in due time.
        1. Airdefense
          Airdefense 9 November 2020 19: 55
          +4
          I'm talking about the downed Russian plane, there was no point in shooting down Turkey either, but they shot it down. Although here I would bet that someone shot down by mistake, mistaking a helicopter for an enemy helicopter.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 9 November 2020 19: 58
            +1
            Quote: Airdefense
            I'm talking about the downed Russian plane, there was no point in shooting down Turkey either.

            No, I disagree, the topic there was different, then Turkey and the United States did not seem to have such strained relations as they do now that they never forgive them. But here you need to look at and calculate the benefits from the death of the Russian guys, in any case, there is no need to rush here. IMHO.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 9 November 2020 20: 20
            0
            Quote: Airdefense
            I'm talking about the downed Russian plane, there was no point in shooting down Turkey either, but they shot it down. Although here I would bet that someone shot down by mistake, mistaking a helicopter for an enemy helicopter.

            Turkey needed to show the loyal Syrian militants near its border its defense by action. True, this led to the opposite effect - in front of the Turks, they were bombed into shit, but that's another story.
          3. raki-uzo
            raki-uzo 9 November 2020 20: 29
            -3
            There was a reason. The Russians bombed the Turkomans, while the Turks warned many times, a political note was given (2 times, I think), Russia officially apologized for having violated the air border ... despite all this, the Russians once again violated and that misfortune happened.
          4. Kerensky
            Kerensky 9 November 2020 21: 10
            +1
            I'm talking about the downed Russian plane, there was no point in shooting down Turkey either, but they shot it down.

            Vyacheslav.
            Have you seen the video? Shooting from the ground with a camera on a tripod. Someone looked after the place, dragged a camera and a tripod there and in advance directed it to the desired square. I also switched it on in advance, but not so much that the battery sat down.
            The Turkish plane also circled in this square in advance, but not enough to dump it for refueling. How long did our people fly to Turkey there? For a few seconds? Enough! Conclusion? Carefully planned surgery.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 9 November 2020 19: 43
    +6
    Russia will not be drawn into the war. Those who knocked them down will "die" from "covid" suddenly or die in a car accident, for example.
    1. Graz
      Graz 9 November 2020 19: 45
      +7
      we must answer directly and openly, if no one knows about the effectiveness of the answer, then this is a loss of face, we are already hit in the muzzles from too many, and the management of tomato sanctions gets off
      1. tech3030
        tech3030 10 November 2020 08: 15
        0
        Everything is correct, otherwise how the fighter will follow his commander who has no spirit!
    2. 210ox
      210ox 9 November 2020 19: 53
      +5
      I don't mind if they run into an ice ax. However, dreams ..
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 9 November 2020 20: 02
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      Those who hit them will "die" from "covid" suddenly or die in a car accident, for example.

      Only the "general public" will not know about this. For that, the helicopter is available.
    4. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 9 November 2020 20: 21
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      Those who hit them will "die" from "covid" suddenly or die in a car accident, for example.

      I will tell you how it will be. Russia will express concern, the whole world will be threatened with dust for the pilots of the IRS .... pshiknet hush up the case. As was the case with the plane that was deliberately shot down, so it will be here where "almost accidentally" arrived.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 November 2020 19: 43
    10
    It smacks of provocation, the only question is whose? Sorry for the dead guys, this war is not theirs.
    1. Garris199
      Garris199 9 November 2020 19: 45
      11
      AZ is not profitable, they are winning, and they want to get a war with Russia the least.
      1. Graz
        Graz 9 November 2020 19: 47
        -6
        as you know appetite and greyhound come with meals. so there is nothing surprising, Aliyev not so long ago told Putin what he should do and what he has no right to
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 9 November 2020 21: 04
        +1
        Totally agree with you. But here the question of mercenaries just arises, what's on the other side. Kurds, again ...
  • NipponSpb
    NipponSpb 9 November 2020 19: 43
    +4
    Forcing Russia to introduce peacekeepers?
  • Ela myaushkina
    Ela myaushkina 9 November 2020 19: 44
    12
    It seems that the Armenians themselves shot down him. By mistake or out of fear and anger from defeats in Karabakh that they did not understand whose helicopter is flying. But an Armenian provocation is not ruled out in order to shift the blame on Azerbaijan and Turkey. And there everything is already rolled ...
    1. sustav75
      sustav75 9 November 2020 19: 54
      -1
      On the knurled! In the sense that the Foreign Ministry will chew cotton wool with snot? Or? Oh my God! Putin zhahnet from all his missiles that have no analogs in the world at the Turks and an Azeri .... am?
      1. Ela myaushkina
        Ela myaushkina 9 November 2020 19: 57
        +1
        Well, the CSTO program is being activated and well there, according to the knurled one, this is what the Armenians want. But I don't think this will happen. The Armenians themselves will be punished. For it is clear that this is their provocation.
    2. Stavros
      Stavros 9 November 2020 20: 31
      +1
      Hi Zeinab! Or maybe it was your fellow countrymen who shot it down, mistaking it for an Armenian helicopter?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 9 November 2020 19: 45
    +5
    On TV they said that two were killed and two were wounded. We are very sorry for the victims. I hope we will not leave this provocation unanswered!
    1. sustav75
      sustav75 9 November 2020 19: 56
      +2
      Hope friend! That's all we can do for now! Alas...
  • donavi49
    donavi49 9 November 2020 19: 46
    15
    Anna's opinion - well, indeed, for Armenia this is a real chance to outplay the game. For Nakhichevan - well, perhaps the initiative is on the ground, the main forces are fighting, but we are not, there is nothing to paste into the demobilization album, but there is buzzing over there, now we will hit! I will assume that Aliyev will come forward with an investigation proposal and full access to the requested territories for Russian investigators.

    ANNA-NEWS [09.11.20 20:34]
    From the village of Yeraskh (where the helicopter was shot down) to the border with Nakhichevan, about 7 km. Most likely, he moved a little to the right of the column he was accompanying, but no further than 2 km. In Syria, this is exactly how the columns are led. To shoot down a helicopter at a distance of 5 km from MANPADS is extremely problematic ...
  • dr.mel51
    dr.mel51 9 November 2020 19: 46
    12
    See who needs to benefit. It is hard to fire MANPADS across the border, and it’s not profitable for Azerbaijanis, and to create a precedent for those who so want to drag RUSSIA into the war, the telephonist really wants to, and the emphasis of its owners is visible.
    1. lucul
      lucul 9 November 2020 19: 51
      +5
      and to create a precedent for those who so want to drag RUSSIA into the war, the telephonist really wants to, and the emphasis of its owners is visible.

      Well, the war is already over, and Russia has not yet appeared on it. So they sculpt poovocations ...
    2. sustav75
      sustav75 9 November 2020 20: 01
      +2
      As an option with USA, the theme rolls! But what kind of reaction is expected from the eternally indecisive Putin? The reaction will be zero! I assure you. And that makes it sad ...
    3. dr.mel51
      dr.mel51 9 November 2020 20: 52
      0
      It seems like the azebarzhan admitted his mistake, I take my words back about the provocation and apologize if I offended anyone.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 9 November 2020 19: 48
    +7
    Condolences to the families of the victims. Who benefits from the involvement of Russia in the war is understandable.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 9 November 2020 19: 49
    +2
    Well, who from our Ministry of Defense laid the route of our helicopter along the border with Azerbaijan in such proximity, why should we fly so close to the territory of Nakhichevan? It can be both Azerbaijanis and the Armenian drg, who will now figure it out, and someone in Russia will bury our guys again
    1. cmax
      cmax 9 November 2020 21: 18
      0
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      Well, who from our Ministry of Defense laid the route of our helicopter along the border with Azerbaijan in such proximity, why should we fly so close to the territory of Nakhichevan? It can be both Azerbaijanis and the Armenian drg, who will now figure it out, and someone in Russia will bury our guys again

      You are right, the carelessness of those who planned the flight route. Everything is as always .. "if tomorrow is a war if tomorrow is a campaign."
  • deniso
    deniso 9 November 2020 19: 49
    -2
    Well? Tomatoes again?
    1. Kvazar
      Kvazar 9 November 2020 19: 57
      -4
      Not of course war and massacre to the last Russian. What do you think? It is not clear where and from which side he fired, whether he fired at all or fell himself (accident).
      1. deniso
        deniso 9 November 2020 19: 59
        0
        crashed as a result of fire impact "is called shot down.
  • sabakina
    sabakina 9 November 2020 19: 50
    +4
    My condolences to the relatives of the victims.
  • Cron
    Cron 9 November 2020 19: 50
    +9
    In Ukraine, provocations, in Belarus, provocations, in Syria, provocations, in Armenia, provocations, etc. Maybe it's time to distribute stars to all provocateurs? And at the same time, do not pick up the phone from Western partners as it was in 2008, and finally feed the ties to the provocateurs
    1. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 9 November 2020 20: 15
      -1
      Quote: Cron
      provocations in Belarus,

      By the authorities? A dime a dozen, only they
      1) No casualties ... yet
      2) Nobody believes them, even pensioners watching state TV.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 9 November 2020 19: 50
    -6
    Get off with tomatoes
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 9 November 2020 20: 40
      -2
      Quote: RUSS
      Get off with tomatoes

      Anyway!
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 November 2020 19: 51
    +3
    Russia is being persistently drawn into the war.
    1. Ela myaushkina
      Ela myaushkina 9 November 2020 19: 53
      +2
      And the Armenians themselves. For their game is lost. Only Russia will help to replay, but through the blood of its dead servicemen through the Armenian provocation. But this must first be established and proved. And if it turns out that the Armenians themselves are guilty of this, it will not seem little to them.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 9 November 2020 19: 53
    +1
    Armenia is an ally, but not Pashinyan, the agreements were signed before him. Its allied relations with Russia weigh on the goals and objectives of the little weed are radically different from the previous government of Armenia. Nicolas has one goal, at any cost to drag Russia into the conflict. And now it would be necessary to figure out who planted the MANPADS into the helicopter. And the direction from which the launch was made, well, that's why it and the MANPADS can be brought into someone else's territory.
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    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 9 November 2020 20: 15
      +1
      Quote: Cron
      Ours were supposed to update the equipment and expand the contingent on this base, but Armenia did not agree

      Now both Armenia and the inhabitants of Karabakh are reaping the fruits of choosing their street revolution of dignity! As they say, you saw what you bought, now eat and do not blame the seller.
  • Peter rybak
    Peter rybak 9 November 2020 19: 56
    +8
    Somehow everything happened on time. Shusha was released, they approached Stepanakert. And here they are - downed helicopter.
  • Turanov
    Turanov 9 November 2020 19: 57
    +2
    Well, that's what to expect .. Russia will not be allowed to sit out in the world! I think this is not the last helicopter shot down, etc. Atu Russia begins ... Eh, if it weren't for Pashinyan's Judas Soros, maybe all of this would have been drowned out right away ..
    We are waiting for the same in Donbass soon, etc. ..
    I remember the Mozgovoy Russian knight, he felt that it was beginning ... soldier

    Well, guys, the adversary acts in a cunning manner, he struck a blow where Russia was not waiting for him.
    1. Clear
      Clear 9 November 2020 20: 27
      +3
      Quote: Turanov
      Well, that's what to expect .. Russia will not be allowed to sit out in the world! I think this is not the last helicopter shot down, etc. Atu Russia begins ... Eh, if it weren't for Pashinyan's Judas Soros, maybe all of this would have been drowned out right away ..
      We are waiting for the same in Donbass soon, etc. ..
      I remember the Mozgovoy Russian knight, he felt that it was beginning ... soldier

      Well, guys, the adversary acts in a cunning manner, he struck a blow where Russia was not waiting for him.

      It feels like it won't take long. We are very sorry for our guys.
  • Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 9 November 2020 19: 58
    +8
    They very persistently want to drag Russia into a new conflict, and this someone is not sitting in Ankara and Baku, and not even in Washington!
    1. Tzar
      Tzar 9 November 2020 20: 03
      -5
      Somehow it is hard to believe that the Armenians, the risk is too big if the truth is revealed. Moreover, even after such an action, the RF is unlikely to harness itself for Karabakh. So, IMHO these are the guests from Syria decided to avenge Idlib ...
      1. Ru_Na
        Ru_Na 9 November 2020 20: 13
        +3
        Perhaps guests from Syria, perhaps our historical rival in the Caucasus, London, perhaps Pashinyan himself decided to go all-in, so to speak, because his situation is nowhere worse!
    2. Cron
      Cron 9 November 2020 20: 11
      0
      Quote: Ru_Na
      They very persistently want to drag Russia into a new conflict, and this someone is not sitting in Ankara and Baku, and not even in Washington!

      An Englishwoman who blocked a Security Council resolution on a ceasefire in Karabakh?
    3. NipponSpb
      NipponSpb 9 November 2020 23: 04
      0
      In Nakhichevan, judging by the latest data .... (
  • Mikhalych 70
    Mikhalych 70 9 November 2020 19: 59
    0
    Your word! Comrade Masha! Or just kalinka-malinka to dance mogem?
  • Egor53
    Egor53 9 November 2020 20: 00
    -12 qualifying.
    We need to find out which country did it. And bomb this country in full. That there were THOUSANDS of victims.
    1. Tzar
      Tzar 9 November 2020 20: 04
      -1
      It is possible without thousands, but the military facilities can be wiped into dust. Only now, most likely, everything will be released on the brakes again.
  • set of sets
    set of sets 9 November 2020 20: 01
    11
    If you look at it from a distance, then Azerbaijan does not need it at all. Any free shooters. It's stupid to provoke Russia. But for the Armenian friends it is beneficial for Russia to intervene.
    So not everything is clear.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 9 November 2020 20: 01
    +1
    Find utyrkov and count.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 November 2020 20: 01
    +3
    It's a pity that again no one will answer for the death of our pilots.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 November 2020 20: 04
    +6
    As you wish, but the Azerbaijanis do not need this close. We need to lift this rat face of Pashinyan by the tail.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 9 November 2020 20: 42
      0
      Quote: Captive
      As you wish, but the Azerbaijanis do not need this close. We need to lift this rat face of Pashinyan by the tail.

      You are not Vanga))) Azerbaijanis admitted the fact that they shot down a helicopter
  • sabakina
    sabakina 9 November 2020 20: 06
    +4
    Quote: Sergey ui
    Tomatoes !!!

    Quote: Garris199
    laughing Load the tomatoes! Tomatoes fire!

    Guys, the gardening process is over. wink
  • Karabin
    Karabin 9 November 2020 20: 08
    +8
    In such a situation, the Russian authorities have already turned to the parties to the Transcaucasian conflict for clarification.

    The first step has been taken. Step two is deep concern.
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  • Abdula
    Abdula 9 November 2020 20: 14
    -4
    Quote: Airdefense
    Well, by the way, they were punished and not bad, tomatoes are only the tip of the iceberg, Erdoganchik came running to personally ask Putin for forgiveness, although before that he had said something completely different.
    yes yes Turks shot down a plane concern. Israel shot down an air plane concern Azerbadzhan shot down a helicopter ??? Where is the greatness of Russia and that everyone here is puffed up by the greatness. Blow off the slippers already; throwers Armenians with Russia constantly conduct exercises and they still do not know how to fight
  • Dave36
    Dave36 9 November 2020 20: 15
    -2
    Another knife in the back?
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  • yfast
    yfast 9 November 2020 20: 16
    0
    Throw in tomatoes again for two 200x.
    1. deniso
      deniso 9 November 2020 20: 22
      -5
      How will we now be without Azerbaijani tomatoes?
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 9 November 2020 20: 16
    +2
    How stubbornly the Armenians are trying to drag us into this war. Obviously, this is not the last provocation against our military. Hold on guys, be on the lookout!
    1. Stavros
      Stavros 9 November 2020 20: 35
      +1
      I am more than sure that they shot down the cavtatars, I will say more, then they admit it for a mistake, although I think that the helicopter was shot down on purpose, to check the reaction of Moscow.
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 9 November 2020 20: 42
      -5
      I will not be surprised if after a while a couple of middle-aged Armenian lads, completely unexpectedly and for no apparent reason, leave for another world. As practice shows, our people will sooner or later calculate. And then it's a matter of technology.
  • Bashibuzuk1
    Bashibuzuk1 9 November 2020 20: 18
    -8
    What are the disputes about? Armenia or Azerbaijan shot down a helicopter?
    It is clear that the next provocation, but both sides must answer for it: Erase their forward positions with the help of the Strategic Missile Forces and the Aerospace Forces. The Transcaucasian and Turkish "heroes" have already humiliated the military and the Russian Federation enough. These should feel the power of weapons and the country, and not the verbiage about the victims of the Russian military in the name of peace and friendship of "fraternal peoples"
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 November 2020 20: 25
      +4
      You need to go and do your laundry - don't forget the eraser.
  • St54
    St54 9 November 2020 20: 18
    0
    Logically, Aram is not profitable. But there may be internal showdowns.
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 9 November 2020 20: 29
      0
      Quote: St54
      Logically, Aram is not profitable. But there may be internal showdowns.

      Just the same, according to the logic, it is the Aram who benefits from it.
      1. St54
        St54 9 November 2020 20: 48
        0
        shoot down over their territory? what for?
        1. Peter rybak
          Peter rybak 9 November 2020 20: 54
          +2
          Quote: St54
          shoot down over their territory? what for?

          Easy peasy. Allegedly, Azerbaijan shot down a Russian helicopter. First, it is Russian, and Russia must intervene. Secondly, aggression against a CSTO member state.
  • deniso
    deniso 9 November 2020 20: 20
    +4
    What the hell is such an escort if he gets knocked down ... and where is the work of the vaunted means of protection?
  • Svarog
    Svarog 9 November 2020 20: 21
    -1
    Provocation .. and I'm sure not the last. In this case, one cannot react to provocations .. Pashinyan is already going to ask Biden for help .. and they want to drag us in .. the Turk is here, as it is necessary to turn off the game, in Syria, to soak the pro-Turkish jerks ..
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 9 November 2020 20: 23
    +1
    Well, where did the column go in the south?
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 9 November 2020 21: 24
      -1
      Well, where did the column go in the south?

      Woooot !!!! And I was going to ask the same question when I finish reading everyone.
      And what did she drag, that they gave the air? Usually figs are given ..
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 10 November 2020 01: 05
        0
        And here is your answer - the peacekeeping contingent.