Azerbaijan's Defense Ministry showed footage of Azerbaijani flags in Shusha and empty city streets

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Shots from Shushi


The Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia reports that the troops of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic have succeeded in several directions. In particular, it was announced that the Armenian side would stop the Azerbaijani troops in the area of ​​the Krasny Bazar settlement.



It is also reported about the successful actions of the Armenian troops in the area of ​​the settlement of Karin Tak (Azerbaijani name - Dashalti). The village is located not far from Shushi.

It shows frames from dronebelonging to the Armenian troops. The footage shows the positions of Azerbaijani troops with military equipment. The Azerbaijani military is located on the road that passes through the top of one of the local heights. At one point, these positions begin to be subjected to intense shelling.


The drone, obviously, also performed the functions of aiming fire. This tactic was used by the Azerbaijani armed forces from the beginning of the new phase of the armed conflict.

Against this background, the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan publishes footage, the caption to which reads the following: "Video footage from the city of Shushi liberated from occupation."

The state flag of Azerbaijan appeared at the entrance to the city where the sign "Shushi" (in Latin and in Armenian) is located. Today the Republic of Azerbaijan celebrates the day of the state flag, and the capture of Shushi, as they did not hide in Baku, was "timed" to this very date. At the same time, President Aliyev announced the capture of Shushi the day before. But the video was only published now.


Shooting of Shushi is carried out from a car, as well as "stationary". Several Azerbaijani special forces and the empty streets of the city are visible. Official Yerevan has not yet commented on these shots. It should be reminded that just a few hours ago the mayor of Shushi announced that the city would remain Armenian.
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    2. -3
      November 9, 2020
      with Azerbaijani flags in Shusha and empty city streets
      ..Strange, for some reason the population did not happily greet their liberators. smile
      1. +3
        November 9, 2020
        the population of Shushi, which was expelled by the Armenians in 1992, are waiting to return home.
        1. +28
          November 9, 2020
          As a soldier, I can only sympathize with the Armenians. It's incredibly difficult to fight when the sky is behind the enemy.
          1. +20
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            As a soldier, I can only sympathize with the Armenians. It's incredibly difficult to fight when the sky is behind the enemy.

            Not only the sky, but all the neighbors are at least neutral. But the Armenians were 30 years old. The question is how they were used. I rested a lot of frames and saw only two concrete pillboxes. Perhaps there are many more of them, but I saw what I saw.
            1. +32
              November 9, 2020
              But the Armenians were 30 years old. The question is how they were used.

              Lived in the World Cup coast of the Russian Federation. Ay, where are you brave Armenians?
              1. NTD
                +11
                November 9, 2020
                Quote: private person
                Ay where are you brave Armenians

                or in the south of Russia or in the south of France or in the south of the USA.
                1. +2
                  November 9, 2020
                  Azerbaijan accidentally shot down a Russian helicopter and apologizes to the Russian side, the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry said. sad
                2. 0
                  November 10, 2020
                  In in
                3. +1
                  November 10, 2020
                  Well done Azerbaijanis liberated their land; Armenians do not live in their country, but live in Russia and America.
              2. 0
                November 9, 2020
                Well, there was a significant Armenian population in the Kuban in both the imperial and Soviet periods.
              3. +1
                November 10, 2020
                In the same place where are the "bold Euro-Ukrainian". Some are on strawberries, some on construction sites in Russia, and some on European autobahns. (On the sidelines)
          2. -13
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            “As a soldier, I can only sympathize with the Armenians. It is incredibly difficult to fight when the sky is behind the enemy.
            "Thanks to Turkey, Israel, Iran, Ukraine, Belarus for the Armenian" happy childhood ".
            For the genocide of 1915, by the way, all the guilty initiators, the Janissaries, were massacred. Gradually.
            1. +3
              November 9, 2020
              Quote: fn34440
              "Thanks to Turkey, Israel, Iran, Ukraine, Belarus for the Armenian" happy childhood ".

              Azerbaijan bought from these countries T-90, BMP-3, BTR-82A, self-propelled guns MSTA-S and "Vena", MLRS "Smerch" and "Solntsepek", air defense systems S-300PMU2 and Tor-M2E?
              1. +6
                November 9, 2020
                And who didn't let the Armenians buy? Jews will sell to anyone, if only shekels.
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                  -3
                  November 9, 2020
                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  And who didn't let the Armenians buy? Jews will sell to anyone, if only shekels.

                  You are not right. Jews will not sell them !!!!! Because the Armenians represented by the Jews are anti-Semites.
                  1. +1
                    November 9, 2020
                    When good money is at stake, Jews forget what anti-Semitism is))))
                    1. NTD
                      +4
                      November 9, 2020
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      When good money is at stake, Jews forget what anti-Semitism is))))

                      Armenia will never receive weapons from Israel. Why? There is a Jewish lobby. It must be understood that it consists of a large number of Jewish organizations, each of which is engaged in its own, narrowly focused tasks. Representatives of all major Jewish organizations have visited Azerbaijan, their leaders met with President Ilham Aliyev. And they all understand that Azerbaijan is an important strategic partner for Israel. And Israel's interests are above all for them.
                      In addition, there is an organization that deals with only one issue: tracking the level of anti-Semitism in the countries of the world. They have their own methods, questionnaires, etc. So, in the last 5-6 years they have paid attention to the post-Soviet space. Take a study from 2018. Highest level of anti-Semitism in the world - guess which country? In Armenia! 60%. Greece is in second place - 38%. Look how far Armenia “wins”! And this despite the fact that there are practically no Jews in Armenia. It's just a phenomenal situation when there is an off-scale level of anti-Semitism in a country where there are no Jews. This data has been widely published, thanks in part to the Moscow organization RJC (Russian Jewish Congress).

                      This was one side of the coin. Now let's look at the other side. Does Armenia have that kind of money to pay for weapons? There are none.

                      To all this there is also another side, Jews are immigrants from Azerbaijan and Jews who have lived in Azerbaijan since ancient times, plus to all this, plus and

                      In the first two days of May 1918 alone, the thugs of Amazasp killed 1700 Azeri Turks, 1200 Lezgins and more than 300 Tats in the city of Guba and in the villages. According to documents and eyewitness accounts, along with the Muslims of the district, up to 3000 Mountain Jews were also killed at the hands of gangs. If we take into account that on the eve of the genocide, 15.036 Mountain Jews were registered in the Guba district, then, consequently, as a result of the genocide in this district, 20% of the Mountain Jews of the Guba district were physically exterminated.

                      and you think the Jews will sell them weapons? They, the Armenians, ruined everything and everything that is possible.
                      1. -2
                        November 9, 2020
                        There is a fairly significant Armenian lobby in the US, so if necessary, Washington will "push" and everything will be fine)))
                    2. +3
                      November 9, 2020
                      Hello !
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      When good money is at stake, Jews forget what anti-Semitism is

                      What, what, and here in the anti-Semethism of Azerbaijanis as well as the political elite of Azerbaijan, it is groundless to blame!
                      1. 0
                        November 9, 2020
                        I'm not talking about Azerbaijan, although I would not suspect Jews of a special love for Muslims)))
            2. +11
              November 9, 2020
              Quote: fn34440
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              “As a soldier, I can only sympathize with the Armenians. It is incredibly difficult to fight when the sky is behind the enemy.
              "Thanks to Turkey, Israel, Iran, Ukraine, Belarus for the Armenian" happy childhood ".
              For the genocide of 1915, by the way, all the guilty initiators, the Janissaries, were massacred. Gradually.

              Well, yes, Armenia fought with weapons exclusively of its own production, bought not on credit and not at preferential prices ... and revenge will be terrible
              1. +2
                November 9, 2020
                Well, yes, Armenia fought with weapons exclusively of its own production, bought not on credit and not at preferential prices

                As it goes around, it will respond.
                1. +3
                  November 9, 2020
                  That backfired and responded hi
            3. +7
              November 9, 2020
              Quote: fn34440
              For the genocide of 1915, by the way

              By the way, I’ll tell you a story that an Armenian from Stavropol told about his grandfather.
              Believe it or not, I'll plant what I heard.
              This grandfather drowned his wife and daughters when this so-called "genocide" was in the stream near the house.
              The motive was simple so that the Turks would not get it.
              So think now how it was there ..
              1. +3
                November 9, 2020
                Quote: Alexey Sommer
                Quote: fn34440
                For the genocide of 1915, by the way

                By the way, I’ll tell you a story that an Armenian from Stavropol told about his grandfather.
                Believe it or not, I'll plant what I heard.
                This grandfather drowned his wife and daughters when this so-called "genocide" was in the stream near the house.
                The motive was simple so that the Turks would not get it.
                So think now how it was there ..

                This is a terrible human tragedy - the 1915 genocide. Women and children were raped during deportation - this happened. The helpless urban population drove many kilometers on foot through a rather difficult terrain, the convoy was interested in delivery to the final destination, and not in the protection of people.
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                  November 9, 2020
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Women and children were raped during deportation - this happened. The helpless urban population drove many kilometers on foot through a rather difficult terrain, the convoy was interested in delivery to the final destination, and not in the protection of people.

                  don't you want to tell what the Armenians did with the Azerbaijanis?
                  1. +10
                    November 9, 2020
                    I am writing about the genocide of 1915, not about the Karabakh conflict. The dehumanization of the enemy has never led anyone to anything good; after this war, it is important for Azerbaijanis to hush up the conflict, and not to take revenge.
                    1. NTD
                      -1
                      November 9, 2020
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      I am writing about the genocide of 1915, not about the Karabakh conflict.

                      I also write about 15-18 years. Do you think Karabakh in the 90s is their only case?
                      1. -1
                        November 9, 2020
                        1915-20s, probably?
                2. 0
                  November 10, 2020
                  The Armenians invented the genocide of 1915 as the Jews of which the Holocaust was not a fable for the goyim.
                  1. -1
                    November 10, 2020
                    Write correctly, just do not tell the orderly - the doctor will not reduce the dosage of pills hi
              2. NTD
                0
                November 9, 2020
                Quote: Alexey Sommer
                The motive was simple so that the Turks would not get it.
                So think now how it was there ..

                On the way, the grandfather is the idol of Artsun from the Ministry of Defense of Armenia and Pegov. Just ask yourself a question. Why not kill Armenians for no reason? Cause? They were allowed to have their own monasteries and schools and literature and pray iiiiiiii suddenly they began to kill? The Armenians won't even show their 100 graves.
            4. +5
              November 9, 2020
              A bunch of underdogs.
              , which the Soviet government TRYED to make people. You all know, you understand everything. And in history, tactics, operational planning. You are angry that they have friends, brothers, allies. Who are we friends with? Where are our brothers Slavs ????
              We quarreled with everyone, quarreled. All "henchmen of the West", "traitors". Belarus remained and they tried to tilt that. Yes, because it is so gloating, the plebeians will not calm down.
              It's good that there is the Internet and you can read, albeit written by someone unknown, thoughtfully speaking on the forums.
              Do you, d billy, think that you could just start this war without getting the go-ahead? First of all, in the Kremlin. Then there was Turkey. After all, NOT ONE country has condemned Azerbaijan. Because the war is on their territory, for their lands, having secured UN decisions.
              And the Mesrops, everyone expected that our soldier would ALWAYS fight for them. But they themselves did not recognize the independence of Karabakh, even now.
              1. +1
                November 9, 2020
                Quote: Zzzz
                Who are we friends with? Where are our brothers Slavs ????

                You are not alone!
                You have a brother and ally in the Netherlands!
                1. 0
                  November 16, 2020
                  just to blather. d beat
                  1. 0
                    November 16, 2020
                    Quote: Zzzz
                    just to blather. d beat

                    I'm not your kindred!
                    So address your FAMILY MEMBERS.
                    Wish you and your Family Members have fun!
                    Enjoy.
            5. NTD
              +1
              November 9, 2020
              Quote: fn34440
              "Thanks to Turkey, Israel, Iran, Ukraine, Belarus for the Armenian" happy childhood "

              Before all these states, you forgot to add Russia. And so please them. They received a boomerang answer for the happy childhood of Khojaly people.

              Quote: fn34440
              For the genocide of 1915,

              You are welcome! But for the 15th, we must thank the traitors of the Armenians .......... who betrayed the Turks. Please do not forget them.
              1. +4
                November 9, 2020
                Arabs for the most part also betrayed the Ottoman Empire. Something Turkey has never made claims to Saudi Arabia or Egypt in this regard. And the genocide of the Arabs did not suit. Although, by the way, before Erdogan came to power in Turkey, the Ottoman Empire was practically officially compared with Nazi Germany and the Stalinist USSR. At different times, Albanians, Bulgarians, and Macedonians also betrayed the Ottoman Empire. It seems that Turkey has no complaints about them in this regard. And there was no genocide against these peoples. But in the case of the Armenians, for some reason, betrayal served as the basis for their mass destruction. In my opinion, someone from the Young Turkish triumvirate, out of simplicity of his soul, stated that this was due to the possibility of taking property from the Armenians under war conditions.
            6. 0
              November 9, 2020
              "As a soldier, I can only sympathize with the Armenians.

              Do Armenians have soldiers? Rather, those who are in the war and the rest are cowards. They in the Russian Federation frighten with intereth.national conflict in the event of a collision.
          3. +11
            November 9, 2020
            It's not just the sky. Over the past twenty years, the armed forces in Karabakh have degraded.
            1. +3
              November 9, 2020
              the armed forces in Karabakh have degraded.

              In the video, well, not the sun but some kind of partisans.
          4. +9
            November 9, 2020
            It is even more difficult to fight when your commanders and supreme leadership are complete woodpeckers, it is not clear what they have been doing for 30 years. And the overwhelming majority of the people - frankly give a fuck about all attempts to keep their native land ..
            1. +2
              November 9, 2020
              Quote: paul3390
              It's even harder to fight when your commanders and supreme leadership are complete woodpeckers

              Well, just woodpeckers, I suppose they cut down the dough at the war, they are hucksters.
          5. -1
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            As a soldier, I can only sympathize with the Armenians. It's incredibly difficult to fight when the sky is behind the enemy.


            without Turkey, they would have failed. and cannon fodder in the form of a barmaley helped, they knew that no one would help Armenia.
          6. 0
            November 10, 2020
            It's incredibly difficult to fight when the sky is behind the enemy.

            The only thing left for Armenians is a photo-hunt.
        2. -6
          November 9, 2020
          Bakinec
          Just let you go to your home, you and Kosovo took foreign lands for yourself, and tell the same to the French in a couple of decades, they say this is our primordially Muslim lands
          I am for inflicting missile strikes on you, I hope the Russian leadership will mature before that
          1. +3
            November 9, 2020
            Calm down Ashot!
            1. +1
              November 9, 2020
              Well, why did they jump, they shot down a Russian helicopter over Armenia from Nakhichevan, pray. soon cruise missiles will fly to your homes
          2. NTD
            0
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: Graz
            just let you go home

            We don't want to go to your home in India, but we won't give ours to you either.
      2. +20
        November 9, 2020
        Pay attention if you throw away the Azerbaijani propaganda, you can note the main thing - the city is almost intact. It says a lot.
        1. -4
          November 9, 2020
          Quote: seti
          That says a lot.

          We are waiting for the surrender of the Armenians, it seems that all this time there were negotiations about this. The city is clearly in the possession of the Azerbaijanis for a couple of days.
          1. +9
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik

            We are waiting for the surrender of the Armenians, it seems that all this time there were negotiations about this. The city is clearly near Azerbaijan for a couple of days.

            It is unlikely that you will wait for surrender and early negotiations. I also understand your joy, but I think it is premature. Personally, I am surprised that the Armenians so easily gave up such a strategic place. Either there are no reserves or there is no desire to fight, or they are planning something ..
            I would like to note that battles are still going on near Shusha.
            1. -5
              November 9, 2020
              Their joy.
              Quote: seti
              Personally, I am surprised that the Armenians so easily gave up such a strategic place.

              Arts .. betrayed by Armenia and Armenians. It is obvious.

              Quote: seti
              It is unlikely that you will wait for surrender and speedy negotiations.


              The Karabakh army is in operational encirclement, if not already in full. Too many calls and meetings today-yesterday-the day before yesterday were between representatives of Russia, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Armenia. If 2-3 weeks ago the war did not make sense for Armenia, even more so now.
              1. +3
                November 9, 2020
                OgnennyiKotik "Arts .. betrayed by Armenia and the Armenians. It's obvious."
                Pashinyan leaked.))) This is also obvious.)))
                1. +10
                  November 9, 2020
                  What has Pashinyan to do with it? Pashinyan has been only prime minister for the last 2 years, just 1 person. Artsakh was betrayed by Armenia and the entire Armenian people. How many volunteers went to the defense? How much money was raised? How many weapons have you purchased? How many kilometers of trenches and tunnels were dug? How many bunkers and bunkers have been made? Armenia was 26 years old, not just the last 2 years.
                  1. +3
                    November 9, 2020
                    OgnennyiKotik "How many volunteers went to the defense? How much money was raised?"
                    Do you think that only Armenian volunteers can win over Azerbaijan? They have an overall superiority over Armenia as a country. What volunteers?))) They certainly help. But it is clear that they have no reserves.))) In the last war for Karabakh, Armenian regular units fought, except for local formations. And in the second line of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Armenian stood. A classmate told me because he was there. Therefore, if the Karabakh Armenians are left alone with the armed forces of Azerbaijan, the result will be what we see and what they have. I'm still surprised how much they hold on.))) Fighting the army of yesterday against the super duper modern army of Azerbaijan.)))
                    1. +8
                      November 9, 2020
                      My fellow Russian officers, who were then serving in Armenia, told how they fought in Karabaz with the same Russians, only from the Azerbaijani side. And they did not go to fight for Karabakh voluntarily. But because around our military towns the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Armenia and the units of nationalists stood as the "second line". Families were held hostage. True, after the victory in Karabakh, the Armenian government took everyone to Russia free of charge. In gratitude. But now, without Russian officers, something went wrong with the Armenians.
                      1. +3
                        November 9, 2020
                        Old tanker "My fellow Russian officers who served in Armenia at that time told how they fought in Karabaz with the same Russians, only from the Azerbaijani side."
                        And can you tell us specifically who fought where and for whom? I know what was there for everyone. Isolated cases ... yes, it is possible, but a short period of time is possible .. And I also heard the fact that ours struck at both those and others ... But, so that Russian officers fought against Russian officers for 2 years I did not hear this. ))))
                        1. +1
                          November 9, 2020
                          So you yourself will decide whether it was or not. Well, I want to remind you that the active phase of hostilities lasted much less than two years.
                        2. +1
                          November 9, 2020
                          Old tanker "Well, I want to remind you that the active phase of hostilities lasted much less than two years."
                          there is a generally accepted date for the war. In general, it has lasted differently since 1991. But common.
                          BAKU, November 9 - RIA Novosti. "During the armed confrontation in 1992-1994, Azerbaijan lost control over Nagorno-Karabakh and seven adjacent regions." This was precisely the hot phase of that war. And you claim that Russian officers fought there all the time?))) But this is not so. In some initial periods, they could occasionally. But, that would constantly fight for the first time I hear.)))
                    2. +4
                      November 9, 2020
                      Quote: Nagaibak
                      OgnennyiKotik "How many volunteers went to the defense? How much money was raised?"
                      Do you think that only Armenian volunteers can win over Azerbaijan? They have an overall superiority over Armenia as a country. What volunteers?))) They certainly help. But it is clear that they have no reserves.))) In the last war for Karabakh, Armenian regular units fought, except for local formations. And in the second line of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Armenian stood. A classmate told me because he was there. Therefore, if the Karabakh Armenians are left alone with the armed forces of Azerbaijan, the result will be what we see and what they have. I'm still surprised how much they hold on.))) Fighting the army of yesterday against the super duper modern army of Azerbaijan.)))

                      And where is Pashinyan's son? Is it not in Karabakh? This is one army.
                    3. +1
                      November 10, 2020
                      The Diaspora could chip in 50 bucks and hire a couple of divisions of elite mercenaries with all the stuffing with this money.
                  2. +4
                    November 9, 2020
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    What has Pashinyan to do with it? Pashinyan has been only prime minister for the last 2 years, just 1 person. Artsakh was betrayed by Armenia and the entire Armenian people. How many volunteers went to the defense? How much money was raised? How many weapons have you purchased? How many kilometers of trenches and tunnels were dug? How many bunkers and bunkers have been made? Armenia was 26 years old, not just the last 2 years.

                    The main thing is why Karabakh is not recognized by Armenia?
                  3. +1
                    November 9, 2020
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    What has Pashinyan to do with it? Pashinyan has been only prime minister for the last 2 years, just 1 person. Artsakh was betrayed by Armenia and the entire Armenian people. How many volunteers went to the defense? How much money was raised? How many weapons have you purchased? How many kilometers of trenches and tunnels were dug? How many bunkers and bunkers have been made? Armenia was 26 years old, not just the last 2 years.

                    And how much has been done specifically with the arrival of Pashinyan over these 2 years? Isn't this a time limit? And do not forget about the reform of the officers according to Pashinyan
              2. +28
                November 9, 2020
                When they rode with flags in Yerevan, insulted Russia and waited for buns from the West, they did business in Baku. Here is the result. Pashinyan had no time to deal with Artsakh. It was necessary to crap Russia. Well, he went further. In France, I hope there is "Rostov" for him
                1. +7
                  November 9, 2020
                  Quote: 210ox
                  Pashinyan had no time to deal with Artsakh. It was necessary to crap Russia. Well, he went further. In France I hope there is "Rostov" for him

                  In Paris? No. How deeply a decent person No. Pashinyan is simply obliged to shoot himself after this. And he will do it with two bullets in the back of the head. Well, or hang himself, also with a test in the back of the head.
                2. +1
                  November 9, 2020
                  Quote: 210ox
                  In France, I hope there is "Rostov" for him

                  Amsterdam awaits this essence of Sorovskaya, let the soap remember to take with it! Women with low social responsibility. wassat
                  1. 0
                    November 9, 2020
                    Quote: fif21
                    This essence of Sorovskaya awaits Amsterdam

                    Нет!
                    We already have all the seats. The limit has been reached.
                    Only from January 2021
            2. +5
              November 9, 2020
              seti "Personally, I am surprised that the Armenians so easily gave up such a strategic place. Either there are no reserves or there is no desire to fight, or they are planning something .."
              If people from the Karabakh clan were in charge of Armenia, there would be reserves. They will probably beat Pashinyan.)))
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            3. +2
              November 9, 2020
              I would like to note that battles are still going on near Shusha.

              Fights are said loudly, combat-collisions are more accurate or suppression of hotbeds of resistance.
            4. -1
              November 10, 2020
              Quote: seti
              It is unlikely that you will wait for surrender and speedy negotiations.

              Already.
              Pashinyan said that he signed a statement with the presidents of Azerbaijan and Russia on the cessation of hostilities in Karabakh
          2. 0
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Quote: seti
            That says a lot.

            We are waiting for the surrender of the Armenians, it seems that all this time there were negotiations about this. The city is clearly in the possession of the Azerbaijanis for a couple of days.

            Nagorno-Karabakh announced the loss of control over the city of Shushi
            The message was published by the press secretary of the head of Nagorno-Karabakh Vahram Poghosyan. He also said that the Azerbaijani army is on the outskirts of the capital Stepanakert, and wrote that the city is in danger.
            “Unfortunately, now we have to admit that a series of failures is still haunting us and the city of Shushi is completely out of our control,” the message on Poghosyan’s page says.

            The press secretary also writes that Azerbaijani forces are on the outskirts of the capital of the unrecognized republic, Stepanakert, and notes that the existence of the city is "in danger."
            1. +1
              November 9, 2020
              Yeah. I wrote about this too, for some reason they deleted the messages, it is not clear why. VO itself has already published the news about this.
        2. +7
          November 9, 2020
          Quote: seti
          Pay attention if you throw away the Azerbaijani propaganda, you can note the main thing - the city is almost intact. It says a lot.

          Are you sure that you were shown all the districts of Shushi? I would not be so categorical until there is a complete picture of what happened.
          1. +3
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: credo

            Are you sure that you were shown all the districts of Shushi? I would not be so categorical until there is a complete picture of what happened.

            Not sure at all. This is what I wrote above. I know for sure that at least there are battles on the outskirts of Shusha. I just noted that the part of the city that was shown is almost intact.
            You have to wait - two or three days and everything will be clear who is lying and where the truth is.
            1. +6
              November 9, 2020
              The city is very beautiful in my opinion. So .. side note.
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            3. +3
              November 9, 2020
              seti "I know for sure that at least there are battles on the outskirts of Shusha."
              I think Shusha is lost for Armenians. This is confirmed by the footage.
              1. +3
                November 9, 2020
                If really Azerbaijanis control the entire Shusha is the death knell for NK. Because they will immediately stretch missile units and artillery into it. And then .... - from there Stepanokert is all in sight.



                Video 7 hours ago.
                1. +1
                  November 9, 2020
                  if the azera acted like the Armenians, in the first place, then this column would be destroyed
        3. 0
          November 9, 2020
          He says that the Armenians fought there carelessly.
          1. +11
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: Incvizitor
            He says that the Armenians fought there carelessly.

            But in the Russian Federation, "business" is not carried on carelessly. Only from Moscow and Krasnodar Territory it was possible to recruit more than a dozen divisions of Armenian "patriots"
        4. +4
          November 9, 2020
          Quote: seti
          That says a lot.

          This suggests that there were no serious battles in the city (we all remember how Grozny was). Hence the conclusion - no one really defended him - everyone fought.
          1. +1
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: Gritsa
            Hence the conclusion - no one really defended him - everyone fought.

            Not Stalingrad. Order No. 227 of the USSR People's Commissar for Defense JV Stalin of July 28, 1942 is not on them.
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          -1
          November 9, 2020
          Quote: seti
          Pay attention if you throw away the Azerbaijani propaganda, you can note the main thing - the city is almost intact. It says a lot.

          For several days, the ancient terminators with an invincible spirit fled in advance. This is what happens to him when there is no Russian soldier around.
        6. +1
          November 9, 2020
          This suggests the same thing that the newspaper Le Monde wrote about, the Azerbaijanis confirmed in the next branch, they did not believe us and mocked us. Shusha was taken by the mountain special forces, which made their way into the city through the forest and further along the steep wet rocks, therefore, according to the French reporter, pistol or knife wounds from the wounded from Shushi brought to Khankendi / Stepanakert - close hand-to-hand combat. I would like to put it in the protocol in case they write here that the Azerbaijanis won only at the expense of Turkish and Israeli equipment purchased for petrodollars.
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        0
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        Strange, for some reason the population did not happily greet their liberators.

        They decided to emigrate to their homeland 2, and if they are lucky from there to 3 and 4.
      5. +21
        November 9, 2020
        They want to live. It is unlikely that the "liberators" will spare anyone. The Armenians suffered a severe defeat. The centuries-old lessons were in vain ...
      6. +6
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        Strange, for some reason the population did not happily greet their liberators.

        Here it is worth clarifying, and what population? Before 1992 or after? The overwhelming majority of those who were "before" were celebrating, but those who were "after" were not, they were very busy ... they left, ran ... left these places
      7. -3
        November 9, 2020
        the population was driven out by the Armenian invaders back in the 90s of the last century, now they return to their home
      8. 0
        November 9, 2020
        In the late Soviet period, the population of Shushi was 17 thousand, the overwhelming majority of them were Azerbaijanis. Now the population is only a little over 4 thousand people, the Azerbaijanis fled in the early 90s.
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    4. +16
      November 9, 2020
      Now I read it on RBK with reference to the press service of Karabakh: the Armenians have officially recognized the loss of Shushi.
      1. +3
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: alavrin
        Now I read it on RBK with reference to the press service of Karabakh: the Armenians have officially recognized the loss of Shushi.

        Yes, FAN also received similar information.
      2. +10
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: alavrin
        Now I read it on RBK with reference to the press service of Karabakh: the Armenians have officially recognized the loss of Shushi.

        And in the Armenian public Vkontakte, fierce battles are still going on ... Probably only tomorrow they will recognize ... Azerbaijanis never cease to amaze ... But like the Armenians ... But that's another story ...
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      3. NTD
        +5
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: alavrin
        Now I read it on RBK with reference to the press service of Karabakh: the Armenians have officially recognized the loss of Shushi.

        I don’t think so. Artsun and Shushan will say it should have been. This is not a retreat, it is an Armenian strategy and an ancient one.
    5. +11
      November 9, 2020
      Still from the video:

      Oh, but a couple of days ago, Syoma Pegov from the same place broadcast about how "the valiant warriors of Artsakh grind another" Azerbaijani cannon fodder ":

      Semyon medal and the title of Hero of Azerbaijan !!! soldier lol
      1. +3
        November 9, 2020
        All they can do is valiantly merge in the war.
      2. +8
        November 9, 2020
        Something at Semyon is clearly turning the meat grinder. There is too much meat to see, and the knives are clearly dull.
      3. +3
        November 9, 2020
        And the green "Niva" remained there. Gift to Azerbaijanis. smile
      4. 0
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: Greenwood
        Still from the video:

        Oh, but a couple of days ago, Syoma Pegov from the same place broadcast about how "the valiant warriors of Artsakh grind another" Azerbaijani cannon fodder ":

        Semyon medal and the title of Hero of Azerbaijan !!! soldier lol


        Why are you attached to him, he does his job, the one for which money is paid he does not care what about Armenians what about Aziks. Any journalist works like that today what they say and writes!
    6. +6
      November 9, 2020
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      with Azerbaijani flags in Shusha and empty city streets
      ..Strange, for some reason the population did not happily greet their liberators. smile

      It hasn't come back yet. Before the war, the population of the city was mostly Azerbaijanis, according to Vika, there were only one or two Armenians there, and there were too many.
      1. +3
        November 9, 2020
        Azimut - what awaits those Armenians who remained on these lands? Or, as one of your fellow countrymen wrote yesterday that there are no people there, but I do not consider it a smart option to name people because he dared! So, you assimilate them, you give them the opportunity to leave, or, as your fellow countrymen allegorically point out, "their genocide future "? Or, you do not see the people there either, alone. ... (a six-letter word, the first two from ..)?
        1. +3
          November 9, 2020
          Wrong address hi Judging by my nicknames, I have only one land here, and even that ... a Jew, as I understand it laughing

          There is Armenia and there is Azerbaijan, let them finally disperse, cool down, and then think about how they can continue to live with each other. There are no Azerbaijanis left in Armenia and Armenians now most likely will not remain in Azerbaijan, with the exception of women in mixed marriages and old people.
          Peace, labor, gum! We have one less crap and it will be even more beautiful if the fled Karabakh people, and they are caught with weapons in Armenia, will deal with Nikol Pashinyan.
          1. 0
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: Azimuth
            Armenians now most likely will not remain in Azerbaijan, with the exception of women in mixed marriages and old people.

            I met such refugees in mixed marriages, back in the 90s in Holland and Belgium.
        2. +5
          November 9, 2020
          There really is no population left there, a week ago, out of 140000 people, 100000 were evacuated to Armenia. The rest leave with the army. By the end of the war, the Armenian population in Karabakh will remain 5-6 thousand. Those who left are unlikely to return, and they will not be allowed back with Armenian passports. So there will be no genocide, as well as a partisan movement that presupposes the presence of a loyal population. Karabakh will be populated by 800000 Azerbaijanis.
          1. 0
            November 9, 2020
            There is no other way out there. And we need to take all sections of the borders of Armenia with Azerbaijan under our control, so that everything ends there. In three years, let them create a bilateral commission and demarcate borders under our sensitive attention.
            At first, so far there are only one or two checkpoints exclusively for us, so that they can bypass Georgia to supply our base in Gyumri by rail and road, everything is cheaper than winding circles through Iran. I think that grateful Azerbaijan, like us, will certainly not refuse this. At the same time, we will be able to export equipment for modernization, etc.
          2. +1
            November 9, 2020
            What will 800 people do there?
        3. -3
          November 9, 2020
          Armenians live in Azerbaijan and there are many of them
      2. -1
        November 9, 2020
        In my husband's grandfather's house, for 28 years, Armenians were in charge, they slept on pillows that his grandmother sewed, ate the grapes that his grandfather planted, okay? And his cousin, wounded with his mother, went on foot through the mountains
    7. +10
      November 9, 2020
      But where is Pegov, who yesterday destroyed the remnants of the Azerbaijani DRGs around Shusha? Where are the commentators who wrote yesterday - but there is no flag over Shusha. So much for the flag.
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      2. +3
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: Bakinec
        But where is Pegov, who yesterday destroyed the remnants of the Azerbaijani DRGs around Shusha? Where are the commentators who wrote yesterday - but there is no flag over Shusha. So much for the flag.

        Well, I shouted .. Now I believe! Here are just a strangely empty city, neither equipment nor soldiers .. How did they take it, and where are the fierce battles?
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          -4
          November 9, 2020
          Quote: Turanov
          Well, I shouted .. Now I believe! Here are just a strangely empty city, neither equipment nor soldiers .. How did they take it, and where are the fierce battles?

          Even before the 6th, the Armenians began to flee from Karabakh and in the course of the war was fought only on the outskirts. https://www.5-tv.ru/news/318765/edinstvennaa-doroga-dla-evakuacii-izstepanakerta-podvergaetsa-obstrelam-video/
          1. 0
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: MTN
            Quote: Turanov
            Well, I shouted .. Now I believe! Here are just a strangely empty city, neither equipment nor soldiers .. How did they take it, and where are the fierce battles?

            Even before the 6th, the Armenians began to flee from Karabakh and in the course of the war was fought only on the outskirts. https://www.5-tv.ru/news/318765/edinstvennaa-doroga-dla-evakuacii-izstepanakerta-podvergaetsa-obstrelam-video/

            So 5 special forces entered the city, filmed it as calmly as at the parade and left)))) And the fight is on the outskirts .. Still a very strange video, it looks like a staging ..
            We took the Crimea there, soldiers everywhere with equipment and the population was happy ..
            Or Grozny is also a lot of soldiers, but the population is not happy and is not visible)))))
            1. +6
              November 9, 2020
              Yes, of course staging. There, in the second minute, in the left corner near the building, an ant stands. Despite the windy weather, a hair on his ass doesn't move.
              1. +6
                November 9, 2020
                Quote: Bakinec
                Despite the windy weather, a hair on his ass doesn't move.

                Because he is European. They don't grow. ))
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                  1. 0
                    November 9, 2020
                    Together with your legs? ))
          2. 0
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: MTN
            Quote: Turanov
            Well, I shouted .. Now I believe! Here are just a strangely empty city, neither equipment nor soldiers .. How did they take it, and where are the fierce battles?

            Even before the 6th, the Armenians began to flee from Karabakh and in the course of the war was fought only on the outskirts. https://www.5-tv.ru/news/318765/edinstvennaa-doroga-dla-evakuacii-izstepanakerta-podvergaetsa-obstrelam-video/


            Do not burst out of anger, eat tomatoes ... tongue
          3. -1
            November 9, 2020
            That's right, because the first special forces groups appeared on the night of 5, broke the posts and took the Shusha fortress and prison, where they dug in. Thanks to our great-grandfathers, they built well
        2. -2
          November 9, 2020
          Quote: Turanov
          How did they take him and where are the fierce battles?

          There were no fights. The Armenians "slept through" the city.
          1. -2
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Quote: Turanov
            How did they take him and where are the fierce battles?

            There were no fights. The Armenians "slept through" the city.

            Or maybe they left the city on the outskirts and defend themselves there, so that they would not destroy the city and bring the civilians out? Everything is very strange .. In informvoin Azerbaijan level 80))) A lot of videos with bravado music .. Who taught you this? bully
        3. 0
          November 9, 2020
          And the city was taken by the SPECIAL FORCES OF AZERBAIJAN without motorized equipment. And they smashed to smithereens the stories that some here from morning to evening repeated like a mantra: "Without drones, Azerbaijanis are nothing .; Azerbaijanis will run away in hand-to-hand combat; The Armenian spirit is stronger ..." It turned out "and the king is naked" ... This the spirit vanished like the perfume "Chypre" or "Red Carnation" ...
          And our special forces fought literally hand-to-hand. "Le Monde" wrote about it ...
      3. +7
        November 9, 2020
        Baku resident - you wrote it right YESTERDAY! And hanging the flag is a matter of a couple of minutes! So, YESTERDAY Shusha was not yours yet!
        1. 0
          November 9, 2020
          Shusha was taken at night from 7 to 8, in the afternoon the president announced, cleared the road, sent a film crew, filmed, edited, approved and released. Let's take it into account. Next time we will train mountain special forces from journalists.
      4. -4
        November 9, 2020
        Was there a flag yesterday? Did not have! Therefore, those who do not believe either you or the Armenians are absolutely right! All the more so what a claunade you put on everywhere! In another week, the video would be shown! "Oh, look how we valiantly captured Shushi, well, we were a little late, so don't pay attention, it's just Pegov getting to us for so long, I wanted to let him shoot the first shot from the liberated city. So we were late." We would, of course, believe you all at once.
        1. +9
          November 9, 2020
          Most likely, by the time Aliyev spoke, it was already 100% clear that the case was resolved.
          1. -1
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: donavi49
            Aliyev spoke already it was 100% clear that the case was resolved.

            Shushi was taken on November 7. Everything speaks about it. These 2-3 days were negotiated. I expect a quick surrender of the Armenians, openly or secretly the second question. Map of battles for the last days.
            1. +5
              November 9, 2020
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              I expect a quick surrender of the Armenians

              Yes, most likely this is already a final comedy. From Shushi Stepanakert will be shot as in a shooting range. And taking it will no longer be difficult. The remaining Armenian soldiers will run scattered - everyone wants to live. Since they understand that it is already useless to fight, it is better to dump to Yerevan, but quickly, until they are shot.
              That's all.
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              +1
              November 9, 2020
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              Shushi was taken on November 7. Everything speaks about it. These 2-3 days were negotiated.

              To be honest, I've heard that too, but I don't know how much of it is true.
              1. -1
                November 9, 2020
                By indirect so. On November 7, information about major battles stopped, people fled from Stepanakert, there were many calls between the leadership of Russia, France, Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan, etc.
              2. -1
                November 9, 2020
                Interesting version
          2. 0
            November 9, 2020
            I think the city was taken three days ago, then they pulled up reserves, but they brushed off the Armenians. As the weather got better, their tanks and infantry fighting vehicles rolled out, and the infantry itself was blown away, there was clearly nothing to catch against the special forces and in urban battles.
        2. +8
          November 9, 2020
          Yesterday was captured, but the video was kept for Flag Day. No wonder they banned video filming a day or two ago. Admittedly, it turned out spectacularly after a significant pause. Armenians are also losing outright in the information space
    8. -2
      November 9, 2020
      Now all knowledgeable commentators will run in and write that this is all a fake video. request
      1. +10
        November 9, 2020
        Well this is difficult. For here is a photo from the video:


        And here is this administration.

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      2. +2
        November 9, 2020
        Armenian tg channels write something like this: lol
        1. +3
          November 9, 2020
          the NK spokesman himself has already confirmed the fact of the city's surrender. As children!
      3. 0
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: leks
        Now all knowledgeable commentators will run in and write that this is all a fake video.

        I think that the civilian population has left Shusha.
    9. +16
      November 9, 2020
      Well, here is the expected footage confirming the capture of Shushi. Well, what happened to the laudatory statements of the Armenians, who swore that they would never surrender Shushi. Where is the "second Stalingrad" on the streets of Shushi. Judging by the video, the battles were generally fought only on the outskirts.
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        +2
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: Old Tankman
        Well, here is the expected footage confirming the capture of Shushi. Well, where did the laudatory statements of the Armenians go?

        They are all in this thread https://topwar.ru/176919-protivorechivye-svodki-v-baku-zajavili-chto-jeto-armija-azerbajdzhana-unichtozhaet-okruzhennogo-protivnika-pod-shushoj.html I already answered.
    10. -1
      November 9, 2020
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

      ..It's strange, for some reason the population did not happily greet

      So the old has gone or is hiding, and the new has not yet come from exile. Here's how it comes, there will be a festivities. By the way, hasn't the Order For the Liberation of Shusha been established yet?
    11. +2
      November 9, 2020
      The Azerbaijanis near Shusha have become insolent or stupid enough to crowd openly on the top of the hill. Well, and for the slackness they received from the Armenians a sniff. Henceforth it will be science. You can't relax in war.
      1. +10
        November 9, 2020
        Everything says that the soldiers of Azerbaijan are moving in that area with practically no resistance. The defense of the Armenians is clearly focal, only in the most key points.
        1. +5
          November 9, 2020
          Yes, they clearly do not expect shelling and attacks from enemy units. As if in their rear.
      2. +3
        November 9, 2020
        I wonder which side of the front is the minus? A simple statement of an obvious fact.
        1. -1
          November 9, 2020
          I think both sides minus, personally, I plus your messages.
        2. +3
          November 9, 2020
          The third day I ask myself the same question. I just said that Azerbaijan's tactics of providing information had changed, and they immediately minus me. He said that video evidence would come later. Because Aliyev invited guests from Turkey. And the Turks have their own well-placed intelligence and the freshest information. Ilham Aliyev would not feed them with fakes. He is a serious politician and knows where and what to say.
    12. 0
      November 9, 2020
      Well, that's another matter.
    13. +3
      November 9, 2020
      Well, where are yesterday's cockerels? Who foaming at the mouth argued. Aliyev is lying where is the video?)) It was the same with Hadrut. Now Shusha. Probably these cockerels will be silent next time. When Azerbaijan announces the capture of Khankendi.
    14. +6
      November 9, 2020
      Well that's all, almost the end of the war. Stepanokert will be quickly beaten off from the state's height ... And then. There is almost nothing to bring back, the village is small. All the same, with the help of Turkey, the Ayzers achieved their goal. Well, it is strange, of course, that its west did not help Armenia, because they tried so hard ...
      1. +1
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: elai
        Still achieved with the help of Turkey
        And with the help of Russia too. Azerbaijan purchased weapons from Russia for billions of dollars.
        1. +8
          November 9, 2020
          And Armenia received it from Russia for almost nothing.
          1. -1
            November 9, 2020
            Armenia received old decommissioned junk in limited quantities, and most of the arsenals came to it in the early 90s, when Soviet goods were being shared. "Iskander" does not count. And Azerbaijan received (or rather bought) huge consignments of modern Russian weapons, such as: T-90, BMP-3, BTR-82A tanks, MSTA-S and Vena self-propelled guns, Smerch and Solntsepek MLRS, S- 300PMU2 and Tor-M2E. To all this can be added purchases in Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, as well as Turkey, Israel and South Africa. Something Azerbaijan produces on its territory under license. Armenia has practically none of the above, or it has much smaller quantities, or older versions.
      2. +2
        November 9, 2020
        Yes, the Azerbaijanis allegedly have nothing to do with this victory)
        Many in Russia will react negatively to the fact that Turkey is helping Azerbaijan. Everyone just shakes from one word of the Turks.)))
        So, you yourself are to blame for this. Put on a "lame mare" in the Caucasus and hoped that you control the region? They fed her, supported her with resources and weapons, and she cheated on you with an American and a Frenchman at the same time.
        What are the claims to Azerbaijan? if Russia for all 30 years fed the country that occupied its lands.
        So yes, Azerbaijan has found an ally for itself who will help it resolve this issue.
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    16. +16
      November 9, 2020
      the art of war did not know in the history of human wars .. more mediocrity and stupidity than the Armenian generals ..
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        +1
        November 9, 2020
        Is the Ukrainian generals better in your opinion? Well this is so, for example ...
    17. +3
      November 9, 2020
      In the video of the Armenians, the whole shelling went into milk.
    18. +1
      November 9, 2020
      Yes, "oriental bazaar," judging by the video from the Armenian drone! No camouflage technology, crowds of news are discussing! Did you roll loose? It seems that the war did not start yesterday, but the mentality is such that if we started to win, then the sea is knee-deep, we completely control everything! And then an answer arrives in a harsh form, and there is no one to ask for what happened. ..
    19. +10
      November 9, 2020
      Well, it's pointless to deny something, "congratulations" to the Azerbaijani side, the capture of Shushi is already an application for a complete victory in Karabakh. Just be careful not to go overboard and run to liberate Yerevan, Erdogan is an insidious comrade and can take out his insults for defeats and humiliations in Syria and Libya in this military company.
    20. +6
      November 9, 2020
      Quote: Turanov
      .How did they take it, and where are the fierce battles?

      You have to ask Pegov. Someone here strongly believes him.
      1. +2
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: Konnick
        You have to ask Pegov. Someone here strongly believes him.

        Pegov, probably, already understood everything and dumped him to Yerevan. Because you may not get out of Stepanakert.
    21. +4
      November 9, 2020
      It is also reported about the successful actions of the Armenian troops in the area of ​​the settlement of Karin Tak (Azerbaijani name - Dashalti). The village is located not far from Shushi.

      At the same time, footage from a drone belonging to Armenian troops is shown. The footage shows the positions of Azerbaijani troops with military equipment. The Azerbaijani military is stationed on the road that passes through the top of one of the local heights. At one point, these positions begin to come under intense fire.
      And they snatch it just like the Armenians at first from them. Ie the same story and will learn from their own mistakes.
      In general, many officers on both sides, who will survive, of course, need to be tried for such losses. Being within the reach of artillery fire, knowing that the enemy also has a UAV, behave like walking in the Bois de Boulogne. Most of the losses from the parties are due to the elementary lack of discipline, the implementation of the most elementary, and therefore the losses are high.
      If even a little of the army was better trained, at least a third of their losses would be lower. One gets the feeling that the level of losses does not indicate the fierceness of the fighting, but the number of idiots on one side or the other.
      1. +1
        November 9, 2020
        The Armenians have many times more losses due to their command and the lack of modern weapons.
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        +2
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: Azimuth
        In general, many officers on both sides, who will survive, of course, need to be tried for such losses.

        What are you talking about? Armenians are the same Armenians. The only thing they don't have is the Russian back behind which they were hiding. That's all. Whoever understands the topic.
        1. +7
          November 9, 2020
          Well, you, too, are hiding behind the Ottoman back ... And this is your fatal mistake. Remember somehow - the decision to contact Erdogan will still burst you.
          1. +1
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: paul3390
            And this is your fatal mistake. Remember somehow - the decision to contact Erdogan will still burst you.

            Here I agree with you. Free cheese can be bitter.
          2. NTD
            -1
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: paul3390
            Well, you, too, are hiding behind the Ottoman back ..

            Stupidity. Are there any proofs?

            Quote: paul3390
            Remember somehow - the decision to contact Erdogan will still burst you.

            yes burp, we returned the land, thanks for the support of Turkey, as well as for the neutrality of Russia.
            1. +4
              November 9, 2020
              What are the proofs for - what are you behind the Turks ?? Fear God ..

              Thank you for not getting rid of the Sultan .. Now - you really owe him, and he - he will pay you with interest. Don't even hope to evade.
    22. +9
      November 9, 2020
      Now it is clear that the Armenians could not organize the second Stalingrad. Now the Azeris will certainly take Stepanakert and there will be no negotiations.
      1. NTD
        +3
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: Pavlos Melas
        Now it is clear that the Armenians could not organize the second Stalingrad. Now the Azeris will certainly take Stepanakert and there will be no negotiations.

        I am interested in another question ............ Earlier, Aliyev offered them autonomy for 7 regions. Now what will they trade? There will be no Armenians along the way. They are unlikely to want to live there.
        1. +2
          November 9, 2020
          I am interested in another question ............ Earlier, Aliyev offered them autonomy for 7 regions. Now what will they trade? There will be no Armenians along the way. They are unlikely to want to live there.

          Most likely, there will be a general exodus of Armenians from this territory. They have no logic to stay in Karabakh. In principle, if you take Stepanakert, then you won't have to beat the Lachin corridor.
        2. +1
          November 9, 2020
          "Corridor" to Nakhichevan
          1. +3
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: maktub
            "Corridor" to Nakhichevan

            But this will not be given by the powers that be.
        3. +5
          November 9, 2020
          MTN - would you let them live there? You wrote yesterday that in the "liberated territories you do not see people there only from ... (I consider it beneath human dignity to repeat your statement)! This means that genocide is the future that you" can give "to the Armenians who remained on those lands, which your army now controls?
          1. NTD
            +1
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: Thrifty
            MTN - would you let them live there?

            The President of Azerbaijan has already answered this question. I am not resolving this issue.

            Quote: Thrifty
            You wrote yesterday that in the "liberated territories you do not see people

            Yes, I do not see people and gave the link above how Armenians leave Karabakh.

            Quote: Thrifty
            So, genocide is the future that you "can give" to the Armenians who remained in the lands that your army now controls?

            Dear, if we want to genocide the Armenians, we do not need the Karabakh Armenians. We have hundreds of thousands of them in Azerbaijan. We would start with them.

            And so I would like to advise the Armenians that they should not quarrel with neighbors. You can't look for your home from a neighbor. Everyone has one, especially since one of the neighbors has already given them a house. And if you quarrel with neighbors, you lose everything.
      2. +3
        November 9, 2020
        Couldn't or didn't want? That is the question.
        1. +3
          November 9, 2020
          Couldn't or didn't want? That is the question.
          At the very beginning of the conflict, I wrote that history smells bad. In Armenia, the Karabakh clan ruled for a long time, the surrender of Karabakh can bury both Pashinyan and representatives of this clan. The freezing of this conflict was beneficial to third countries and was a problem for direct interested parties. No one could compromise. Whatever solution we see, in the end it will untie the hands of both Armenia and Azerbaijan. Aliyev does not give the impression that he is an amateur, so he can be a feint with his ears and closer interaction with the Russian Federation.
      3. 0
        November 9, 2020
        Well, they can take them into the blockade for a long time, the precedent was in 90-92. Now the Sultan has no need to force events.
    23. +9
      November 9, 2020
      Don't you think that if the republics left the USSR by law, then this conflict would not have happened?
      Namely - "In the union republic, which has autonomous republics, autonomous regions and autonomous okrugs, a referendum is held separately for each autonomy."
      Well, the communists gave you your independence, but no, you had to snatch everything to the last. After all, when they attached Karabakh to Azerbaijan, they did not ask the local population what they wanted, and there the overwhelming majority were Armenians. Who have always disagreed with this.
      1. NTD
        -4
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: Cron
        Don't you think that if the republics left the USSR by law, then this conflict would not have happened?
        Namely - "In the union republic, which has autonomous republics, autonomous regions and autonomous okrugs, a referendum is held separately for each autonomy."

        Dear, how many times do Armenians have to self-determine? They have already determined themselves in Armenia.

        Quote: Cron
        After all, when they attached Karabakh to Azerbaijan, they did not ask the local population what they wanted, and there the overwhelming majority were Armenians.

        I'm sorry, what? When did you stick it? Can you prove that Karabakh belonged to Armenians? What year? Do you have any documents?
        1. +3
          November 9, 2020
          Dear, how many times do Armenians have to self-determine? They have already determined themselves in Armenia.

          Sorry to interfere, but I already wrote to you that this is not a completely correct argument. )
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            November 9, 2020
            Quote: Pavlos Melas
            Sorry to interfere, but I already wrote to you that this is not a completely correct argument. )

            Well then, give them autonomy in Sochi, Abkhazia, Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories.

            Sincerely.
            1. +1
              November 9, 2020
              Well then, give them autonomy in Sochi, Abkhazia, Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories.

              These calls are not for me, you write this to the authorities of the Russian Federation. By the way, as a Turk - an Azeri and a person with connections, you can probably turn to the Milli Majlis of Turkey, let the Turks in Turkey self-determine and do not climb into adjacent territories.
              Best regards hi
          2. 0
            November 9, 2020
            Well, if we operate with such criteria, then after all, the Azerbaijani population of Armenia proper could apply for a similar status of autonomy with subsequent separation. Why weren't the same conditions created for them? Don't you think it would be fairer this way?
            1. 0
              November 9, 2020
              Quote: wmn5500
              Well, if we operate with such criteria, then after all, the Azerbaijani population of Armenia proper could apply for a similar status of autonomy with subsequent separation.

              Could but did not pretend why this is a question for Azerbaijanis.
              Why weren't the same conditions created for them?

              These questions should probably be asked not even to the Yerevan and Baku but to the Moscow leadership of the Soviet period.
              Don't you think it would be fairer this way?

              Justice, alas, is a purely subjective opinion. I answered the reply: “The Armenians have determined themselves in Armenia, what else do they need.” With this approach, a lot of questions may arise to many states, including the beloved Azeri Turkey .
              1. 0
                November 10, 2020
                No, you do not own the information claimed and even an exchange of territories was proposed, if memory serves in 1946. But then the Armenians took a "self-rejection" and after that the deportation of 100 Azerbaijanis from Armenia to Azerbaijan followed, allegedly to create conditions for the repatriation of foreign Armenians to Armenia. But the repatriation did not happen and the Azerbaijanis were never returned later! Despite this, an impressive number of the Azerbaijani population, more than 000, remained in Armenia almost until the 90s. But they were not given the opportunity to demand anything, but were simply expelled.
                So not everything is so simple! It becomes obvious that the Armenians were clearly playing along to the detriment of the Azerbaijanis! Agree if there were autonomy of Azerbaijanis on the territory of Armenia (which, in principle, should have been), then the conflict in Karabakh would not have arisen at all in view of a counterbalance for the other side!
                1. 0
                  November 10, 2020
                  Quote: wmn5500
                  No, you do not own the information claimed and even an exchange of territories was proposed, if memory serves in 1946. But then the Armenians took a "self-rejection" and after that the deportation of 100 Azerbaijanis from Armenia to Azerbaijan followed, allegedly to create conditions for the repatriation of foreign Armenians to Armenia. But the repatriation did not happen and the Azerbaijanis were never returned later! Despite this, an impressive number of the Azerbaijani population, more than 000, remained in Armenia almost until the 90s. But they were not given the opportunity to demand anything, but were simply expelled.
                  So not everything is so simple! It becomes obvious that the Armenians were clearly playing along to the detriment of the Azerbaijanis! Agree if there were autonomy of Azerbaijanis on the territory of Armenia (which, in principle, should have been), then the conflict in Karabakh would not have arisen at all in view of a counterbalance for the other side!

                  If this is the way you write, then if there were a counterbalance, perhaps there would be no conflict. Here, after all, time, place and coincidence of circumstances are important. There are many questions why the Azerbaijani community did not immediately demand autonomy. If we approach the land issue and the issue of autochthonousness, then the question arises from what year to count. In fact, we are all guests in this world and we only need 2 by 2 meters, and then until we ourselves become earth. In principle, the conflict could be resolved in my opinion as follows: the wards of the compact population of Armenians have the status of autonomy, the police are of Armenian nationality, there are some parts of the militia, but no independence. But even this option would hardly be accepted by the Armenians, because the Azeri in the eyes of the Armenians is the Turks. You cannot negotiate with a Turk if you do not have a stick longer in your hands than a Turk wink this is not me said this is a Serbian proverb hi
                  1. 0
                    November 10, 2020
                    If this is the way you write, then if there were a counterbalance, perhaps there would be no conflict. Here, after all, time, place and coincidence of circumstances are important. There are many questions why the Azerbaijani community did not immediately demand autonomy. If we approach the land issue and the issue of autochthonousness, then the question arises from what year to count. In fact, we are all guests in this world and we only need 2 by 2 meters, and then until we ourselves become earth. In principle, the conflict could be resolved in my opinion as follows: the wounds of the compact population of Armenians have the status of autonomy; the police are of Armenian nationality; there are some parts of the militia, but no independence

                    Well, in principle, they had it all! And now, judging by the statements of the President of Azerbaijan, this is exactly what is being proposed! And by the way, the Azerbaijani press spread Pashinyan's post on Facebook, here it is:
                    “The text of the statement is very painful for me personally and for our people. I made this decision as a result of an in-depth analysis of the martial law and assessment of people who are in the best position to control the situation. "
                    Apparently, the Armenian side declares the actual surrender!
                    1. 0
                      November 10, 2020
                      Well, in principle, they had it all! And now, judging by the statements of the President of Azerbaijan, this is exactly what is being proposed!
                      Will Armenians have their own police and militia forces? If so, I will be very surprised. It will be possible to say that Aliyev is a humanist.
                      And by the way, the Azerbaijani press spread Pashinyan's post on Facebook, here it is:

                      All tweeters and Facebooks are not unambiguous and other classmates are not official statements anyway. When the agreements are signed, then it will be possible to speak.
                      1. +1
                        November 10, 2020
                        Will Armenians have their own police and militia forces?

                        Apparently yes, but probably with the participation of special representatives from the central office of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
                        All tweeters and Facebooks are not unambiguous and other classmates are not official statements anyway. When the agreements are signed, then it will be possible to speak.

                        This is his official page. Yes, and Peskov has already confirmed. Aliyev's appeal to the nation is being prepared. We wait!
        2. +1
          November 9, 2020
          Quote: MTN
          I'm sorry, what? When did you stick it? Can you prove that Karabakh belonged to Armenians? What year? Do you have any documents?

          Why prove the unprovable? Azerbaijanis have their own truth, Armenians have their own. It's like Euclid's postulate "Two parallel lines, do not intersect."
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            -1
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Why prove the unprovable? Azerbaijanis have their own truth, Armenians have their own. It's like Euclid's postulate "Two parallel lines, do not intersect."

            The Karabakh Khanate was founded in 1748. Let's suppose that Artsakh existed in 1747. Is the whole world ready to change the borders of states by this date or did they see losers only in the person of Azerbaijanis?
            1. 0
              November 9, 2020
              Quote: MTN
              Is the whole world ready to change the borders of states by this date or did they see losers only in the person of Azerbaijanis?

              I do not want and cannot be an arbitrator. All the same, you will not find common ground. Therefore, everything should be the way it goes.
      2. +3
        November 9, 2020
        Don't you think that if the republics left the USSR by law, then this conflict would not have happened?

        It seems to me that it would be better if the republics did not leave the USSR at all, it would be better if successful reforms were carried out in the USSR, many deaths could be avoided. Well, terry nationalism would not exist in more than one republic of the former USSR.
        1. +1
          November 9, 2020
          The fact is that these "mines", i.e. the areas of residence of individual nationalities were transferred to neighboring republics, they were laid down during the Soviet era, and now they are banging and will be for a long time ..
          1. 0
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: Kavkasianec
            The fact is that these "mines", i.e. the areas of residence of individual nationalities were transferred to neighboring republics, they were laid down during the Soviet era, and now they are banging and will be for a long time ..

            Well, where do the firewood come from).
      3. 0
        November 9, 2020

        In the Decision of the Zak Bureau of the RCP (b) of July 5, 1921 it was said to LEAVE Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan
        The photo did not work
    24. +11
      November 9, 2020
      The difference in the conduct of the war is visible.
      An Armenian drone shows clusters of Azerbaijani equipment and infantry.
      But the Armenian army does not have precise weapons. The Armenian artillery begins the usual sighting, then the shelling in the square, gradually improving the effectiveness.
      The Azerbaijanis have a few minutes to hide or move their equipment.
      ---
      When an Azerbaijani drone is pointing, precise missiles arrive, planning bombs or kamikaze drones.
      Armenian soldiers have a few seconds to react.
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        -1
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: voyaka uh
        When an Azerbaijani drone is pointing, precise missiles arrive, planning bombs or kamikaze drones.
        Armenian soldiers have a few seconds to react.

        You're right. Here is a fresh one https://video.azertag.az/site/video/106841 and https://video.azertag.az/site/video/106827
    25. -2
      November 9, 2020
      The Turkish plan was completely successful, just a statement of fact, without emotion. Now either there will be a Turkish "assault on Grozny", or just a blockade and waiting.
      1. +2
        November 9, 2020
        There will be no storming of Grozny, as you put it, by and large, the fall of Shushi is all ... the city is really strategic now and the so-called Lachin corridor is a useless thing, look at the map
        1. 0
          November 9, 2020
          "The fall of Shushi is all ..." - it seems to me that you are mistaken, everything is just beginning. Although, I would be glad to make a mistake myself. It is unlikely that it will be possible to sit out for 2 years in a siege, as it already happened.
    26. +3
      November 9, 2020
      Quote: MTN
      Quote: Cron
      Don't you think that if the republics left the USSR by law, then this conflict would not have happened?
      Namely - "In the union republic, which has autonomous republics, autonomous regions and autonomous okrugs, a referendum is held separately for each autonomy."

      Dear, how many times do Armenians have to self-determine? They have already determined themselves in Armenia.

      Quote: Cron
      After all, when they attached Karabakh to Azerbaijan, they did not ask the local population what they wanted, and there the overwhelming majority were Armenians.

      I'm sorry, what? When did you stick it? Can you prove that Karabakh belonged to Armenians? What year? Do you have any documents?

      Dear, I do not think that it makes sense to conduct a dialogue with you, given the questions asked.
      How much is needed, so much will be self-determined. They weren’t asked for their opinion, so they didn’t define themselves at all.
      Karabakh belonged to the Republic of Ingushetia, like Azerbaijan, which was conquered from the Persians. Without all this, the next miscarriage of the communists on the map would not exist.
      1. 0
        November 9, 2020
        as well as Azerbaijan conquered from the Persians.
        Here you are wrong rather Persia was Azerbaijan!
    27. +1
      November 9, 2020
      Well, we wanted video evidence, and they are provided.
    28. -9
      November 9, 2020
      Azerbaijan suffered a crushing defeat at Shushi and retreated. Artsakh develops successes in other areas
      1. +2
        November 9, 2020
        You seem to have fallen from the moon ... Shusha is Azerbaijan!
    29. -4
      November 9, 2020
      It is HOW Russia would attack Estonia, armed by the US, China, and Israel.
      With the help of the same thousands of former ISIS members from Turkey.
    30. +3
      November 9, 2020
      Such a city is beautiful. All on the mountains and ravines, here, with proper defense, you can conquer it for weeks. It seems that after the first skirmishes, the Armenians simply left there. It looks like Strelkov's opinion is justified. There was simply no one in the rear of the NKR army. The speed of advance of the Azerbaijani troops was as much as the terrain allowed.
      1. -1
        November 9, 2020
        The Azerbaijani army liberated Shusha without tanks, any armored vehicles, UAVs, aircraft, practically with bare hands. The guys climbed the steep cliffs around Shushi, knocked out the breath of the Armenian soldiers and created a bridgehead for taking the city. I do not see any comments on the site, those who constantly praised the "valiant" Armenian soldiers. The Azerbaijani soldier showed his heroism on the battlefield. Glory to the Azerbaijani army!
    31. +5
      November 9, 2020
      Pashinyan is a traitor! He betrayed Karabakh and its defenders, he deliberately surrenders Karabakh to Azerbaijan, so that later, without territorial disputes, Armenia would enter NATO and the EU, and thus severed all ties with Russia.

      Well, that the Armenians, you were sold for promises of a sweet life, but you will not have it, just as there will be no Karabakh now.

      It is sad.
    32. -2
      November 9, 2020
      And where are the troops that entered the supposedly liberated Shushi?
      And gentlemen, administrator and moderators, are you not too obvious to support one of the parties?
      1. -1
        November 9, 2020
        "] And gentlemen, administrator and moderators, are you not too obvious to support one of the parties?"
        They are not up to it. They are looking for new words in the Great and Mighty, which can be used as mat. We have made great strides.
    33. +2
      November 9, 2020
      Taki bizimdyr - and the task of the Azerbaijanis was also to pull Armenian forces there from other directions
      1. +1
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Taki bizimdyr

        bizimdir ve bizim de olajag! smile
    34. +3
      November 9, 2020
      TGC RIA Novosti writes that Azerbaijani troops are already on the outskirts of Stepanokert
    35. -1
      November 9, 2020
      The Azerbaijani army liberated Shusha without tanks, any armored vehicles, UAVs, aircraft, practically with bare hands. The guys climbed the steep cliffs around Shushi, knocked out the breath of the Armenian soldiers and created a bridgehead for taking the city. I do not see any comments on the site, those who constantly praised the "valiant" Armenian soldiers. The Azerbaijani soldier showed his heroism on the battlefield. Glory to the Azerbaijani army!
    36. +3
      November 9, 2020
      Quote: Homeland
      The guys climbed the steep cliffs around Shushi, knocked out the breath of the Armenian soldiers and created a bridgehead for taking the city

      Yes, there are 15-20 meter steep cliffs on three sides. Natural walls.
    37. 0
      November 9, 2020
      Can you organize air surveillance? Of course, the scouts are small in size. But the Taliban in Afghanistan quickly realized, saw a drone, a splash would come. Therefore, they dived in all directions, well, and sometimes knocked down, wrote about it repeatedly. You can probably dispatch one soldier to look at the sky. And the century of precision ammunition has already come. The shelling seemed to give almost nothing, the first shell missed and fled. Not only the firing range is important, but also the accuracy, but howitzers have none. I remember one story the boy told, they stumbled upon a militant base, there was no aviation, they decided to cover it with art, in the end they fled from there as best they could, plowed everything in the neighborhood, not a single shell hit the Czech camp.
    38. 0
      November 9, 2020
      We can say that the first part of the Marlezon ballet is over. "Intermission, scoundrels" (c). "Gentlemen, the second series awaits you!" (C) laughing
      1. +1
        November 9, 2020
        The next in repulsing Azerbaijan's attacks was the destruction of hundreds of enemy DRGs and the fortitude of the Armenians in the Red Bazaar camp.
        1. +3
          November 9, 2020
          The second series will come when Azerbaijan will explain where the Armenian population has gone. "Where did the circus go? It was only yesterday .." (c)
          1. +1
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: parusnik
            The second series will come when Azerbaijan will explain where the Armenian population has gone. "Where did the circus go? It was only yesterday .." (c)

            They will get out, the Azerbaijanis will be urgently brought from their territory and they will say, it was so ..))))
            1. +4
              November 9, 2020
              And those who are brought in will shrug their shoulders and say: there have never been Armenians here, Armenian terrorists have held us hostage for 30 years. Thank you, the Azerbaijani army. smile
        2. -7
          November 9, 2020
          Azerbaijan shot down a Russian helicopter on the territory of Armenia in the direction of Nakhichevan !!!!!!
          1. +2
            November 9, 2020
            The Russian Foreign Ministry will describe it as an unfortunate incident and express concern, and it will do the right thing.
            1. -5
              November 9, 2020
              Let's ban the Azerbaijanian tomatoes, I understand ...
              1. -2
                November 9, 2020
                Quote: hydroy
                Let's ban the Azerbaijanian tomatoes, I understand ...

                If only tomatoes ... For the fact that in Moscow they waved their own and Turkish flags and behaved quite aggressively and brazenly .. I think the Rospotrebnadzor special forces will arrange a holiday of "victory" for you. Wait!
                1. -2
                  November 9, 2020
                  I don’t care, I’m not Armenian, not Azerbaijani
                  1. -1
                    November 9, 2020
                    Quote: hydroy
                    I don’t care, I’m not Armenian, not Azerbaijani

                    And who then tears like that here ..? It's a pity flags were banned .. angry
                2. -1
                  November 9, 2020
                  I'm sorry for ours in the turntable, they shot down for nothing ...
          2. -2
            November 9, 2020
            Azerbaijan shot down a Russian helicopter on the territory of Armenia in the direction of Nakhichevan !!!!!

            In my opinion you are Pegov. The same handwriting.
            1. -1
              November 9, 2020
              but in my opinion you are crazy already, residents of Baku and Ganja, do not meddle in Armenia, do not shoot at our helicopters! It's a pity for our boys who died from unnecessary shelling!
    39. +1
      November 9, 2020
      Well, the result seems to be quite natural.
      He substituted Armenia in the West, promised to RECOGNIZE the independence of Karabakh and did not recognize it.
      But the whole policy of Armenia was based on this promise.
      The West promised the Diaspora, the Diaspora ruled the policy of Armenia, hoping for the honesty of the West.
      For years they talked about the Kazan agreements, turned Armenia away from Russia, tried to join NATO (and thereby ensure the necessary status for Karabakh), but in fact only pushed Azerbaijan into the arms of Turkey and into military operations.
      ---
      As a result, I fell into a trap.
      The main thing is not to make new mistakes further - before that, Armenians were caught in love for Karabakh, and now they can be caught striving for revenge.
      ---
      Azerbaijan, it seems, falls completely under Turkey.
      Although there is still an opportunity to preserve their sovereignty.
      1. -1
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: flicker
        Azerbaijan, it seems, falls completely under Turkey.
        Although there is still an opportunity to preserve their sovereignty.

        They already lie down and do not flutter, and Israel there, too, whispers in Aliyev's ear affectionately about Iran, etc. Azerbaijan lives off oil and here it has no choice
      2. 0
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: flicker
        But the whole policy of Armenia was based on this promise.
        The West promised the Diaspora, the Diaspora ruled the policy of Armenia, hoping for the honesty of the West.

        and by ourselves it means to admit - weakly.
        Quote: flicker
        As a result, I fell into a trap.

        type because of this. Is Russia not fighting on the side of Armenia?
        Quote: flicker
        Azerbaijan, it seems, falls completely under Turkey.
        Although there is still an opportunity to preserve their sovereignty.

        Withdraw troops from Karabakh. surrender and pay reparations - so in your opinion? laughing
        1. +1
          November 9, 2020
          Quote: atalef
          Withdraw troops from Karabakh. surrender and pay reparations - so in your opinion?

          This is according to you in Israel Atalef !!! laughing
          Your ears (Israel) stick out there in Azerbaijan, no matter how you deny it bully ..Your main goal is twofold, to drown out Russia and to press Iran from the rear Right? You buy oil from Azerbaijan, don't you?
          That's all and begins to converge .. Well done, they turned everything well on the quiet! And then Biden won, wow it will start soon .. Good luck with your machinations!
          1. +1
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: Turanov
            Your main goal is twofold, to drown out Russia and to put pressure on Iran from the rear Right? You buy oil from Azerbaijan, don't you?

            And Russia request
            Quote: Turanov
            That's all it starts to converge

            You have logic lol
            Quote: Turanov
            Well done, we did a good job on the quiet! And then Biden won, wow it will start soon .. Good luck with your machinations!

        2. 0
          November 9, 2020
          type because of this. Is Russia not fighting on the side of Armenia?
          Russia is not going to fight either with Azerbaijan or with Armenia at all.
          And they fell into the trap because they believed the West that it RECOGNIZES the independence of Karabakh. This FAITH was the trap.
          They believed, because they dreamed about it very much, hoped for it. They did what the West asked them to do.
          Jews also dreamed of their own state for a long time. That is, Moses led them for 40 years in the desert.
          ---
          Withdraw troops from Karabakh. surrender and pay reparations - so in your opinion?
          The situation must be resolved through peaceful negotiations.
          Otherwise, the war will repeat itself periodically.
          1. +2
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: flicker
            And they fell into the trap because they believed the West that it RECOGNIZES the independence of Karabakh. This FAITH was the trap.

            and who promised? belay
            The Armenians thought the smartest - we don't recognize the type ourselves - let the West recognize - not recognize - well, the West is to blame for everything laughing
            Moreover, they (the Armenians) invented these promises themselves.

            Quote: flicker
            The situation must be resolved through peaceful negotiations.

            Well, what would you like to return Crimea on the basis of peace negotiations for how many millennia?
            Quote: flicker
            Otherwise, the war will repeat itself periodically.

            All right.
            War is not only a political act, but also a true instrument of politics,
      3. 0
        November 9, 2020
        Azerbaijan, it seems, falls completely under Turkey.
        Although there is still an opportunity to preserve their sovereignty.

        They will remember their sovereignty when, in their opinion, the correct flag will fly over Tabriz. Turkey has not yet supported them wink
        1. +1
          November 9, 2020
          Turkey has not yet supported them
          The politics of modern Turkey is the politics of a kamikaze country.
          A kamikaze can confuse attack targets wink
          1. 0
            November 9, 2020
            Quote: flicker
            Turkey has not yet supported them
            The politics of modern Turkey is the politics of a kamikaze country.
            A kamikaze can confuse attack targets wink

            In vain you are so, you can not underestimate neo-Ottomans, they are not smart people (censorship). It's just that they have a vision of this world ... hmm ... an alternative wink
            1. 0
              November 9, 2020
              neo-Ottomans should not be underestimated, they are not smart people (censorship)
              Smart people would not follow the path of neo-Ottomanism (educated Turkey does not welcome this).
              Neo-Ottomanism is a war, and for a war, advanced military-industrial complex is needed, which is a consequence of the country's scientific and technical capabilities, and modern Turkey does not matter with this, and the economy is not up to par.
              Well, who is smart, with such introductory conditions, will jump along the neo-Ottoman path?
              Only such as Erdogan, it seems that when they chose a suitable figure for neo-Ottoman Turkey, Erdogan was out of competition, won for a clear advantage.
              ---
              Well, yes, they see that they are being used, play along and try to extract as many goodies for themselves as possible, pump up muscles, and then they say, let's throw.
              But they will not live to see "later".
              1. 0
                November 9, 2020
                Well, yes, they see that they are being used, play along and try to extract as many goodies for themselves as possible, pump up muscles, and then they say, let's throw.
                But they won't live to see "later"

                Once the Turks walked along the edge of a knife, unfortunately, they got out. Now they also hope to get out. And then and now they expect to get out at the expense of Russia.
                1. +1
                  November 9, 2020
                  Moreover, both then and now they expect to get out of it at the expense of Russia.
                  Then we did not get involved in the war, thanks to which we changed a lot both in Syria and in the BV as a whole. And the Turks still worsened their positions in Syria.
                  As for now, even now we will try to get our benefit from the nonsense of the Turks.
                  ---
                  Well, everything should have its own measure, if the Turks overstep it, they will accurately receive a tambourine, as it was in February this year.
                  Then for a while they will follow the measure.
                  ---
                  1. 0
                    November 9, 2020
                    Then we did not get involved in the war, thanks to which we changed a lot both in Syria and in the BV as a whole. And the Turks still worsened their positions in Syria.
                    We are talking a little about different time periods. I'm talking about the early 20th century hi
              2. 0
                November 9, 2020
                Quote: flicker
                European Ottomanism is a war, and for a war, advanced military-industrial complexes are needed, which is a consequence of the country's scientific and technological capabilities, but modern Turkey doesn't care about that, and the economy is not up to par.

                well, you can argue with that.
    40. -1
      November 9, 2020
      Damn it, I thought there was no one to shoot for this. And the Azerbaijanis are driving there in cars, and the windows in the houses are intact. The Armenians are doing very badly.
    41. -7
      November 9, 2020
      Azerbaijan shot down a Russian helicopter on the territory of Armenia in the direction of Nakhichevan !!!!!!
      1. +1
        November 9, 2020
        Quote: hydroy
        Azerbaijan shot down a Russian helicopter on the territory of Armenia in the direction of Nakhichevan !!!!!!

        We have already read your comment, why write again? The info has not been verified and there is no need for provocations here, and so it is enough .. negative
        1. -2
          November 9, 2020
          Let's wait for the details, very sad news, if true!
        2. -4
          November 9, 2020
          ⚡️Russian helicopter shot down in Armenia, Sputnik Armenia reports, citing a source in the Russian power structures
        3. -3
          November 9, 2020
          Here's some more news, terrible ...
      2. -2
        November 9, 2020
        Azerbaijan is winning this war. Why would Azerbaijan shoot down a Russian helicopter. And the Armenians are ready for any provocation to drag Russia into this conflict. If it really happened, then it is 100% the handiwork of Armenians.
        1. -1
          November 9, 2020
          there will be a trial, if the Armenians did it, then we'll see and most likely! Pashinyan is finished, we will hang him on the main square for such a blow!
    42. -2
      November 9, 2020
      Nosed! Your place is at the bucket wassat The thief in law usoyan (Armenian) said! wassat
    43. +2
      November 9, 2020
      It’s like an Armenian maneuver. Lured, and then cut off.
      I remembered - "While the enemy is preparing an offensive, we are changing the landscape"
      1. +1
        November 9, 2020
        They will probably lure you to Yerevan. smile
        1. 0
          November 9, 2020
          The Turks already have to think - how to surrender more successfully. smile
          After all, this is not just so, it's like Stalingrad.
    44. 0
      November 9, 2020
      Quote: hydroy
      Azerbaijan shot down a Russian helicopter on the territory of Armenia in the direction of Nakhichevan !!!!!!

      NahiJewana say? ...
      “According to our reliable information, Azerbaijani forces shot down a Russian helicopter in the territory of Armenia in the direction of Nakhchivan. The wreckage of the helicopter fell in the Ararat region. The details of the incident are being specified, "- the information publication" Infoteka24 "reports, as well as a number of other Armenian media.
      More details at: https://avia.pro/news/armeniya-azerbaydzhan-sbil-vertolyot-s-rossiyskimi-voennymi

      https://infoteka24.ru/2020/11/09/75227/
      Then you will "kill" our border guards, now you "shoot down" our helicopter, God sent an ally belay
      Not tired? ...

      Can you imagine that the US NATO allies would "kill" their Marines every other day and what would the Americans do with such an ally even for such fakes ?! am

      I think that since our border guards were "killed", then we should "remove their bodies", and Armenia should put up its border guards and an army with great spirit, and YOURSELF guard and defend Syunik, aka Zangezur, that is, the corridor from Azerbaijan to Nakhi Jevan. You are good at it, you and our Pegov will destroy the Azeri DRGs near Yerevan ... am
      1. -5
        November 9, 2020
        ⚡️Russian helicopter shot down in Armenia, Sputnik Armenia reports, citing a source in the Russian power structures
      2. -3
        November 9, 2020
        Everything is already serious and more serious than with border guards
    45. -1
      November 9, 2020
      When the Persian Shah from the Azerbaijani Safavid dynasty Abbas I exiled Armenians to the interior regions of Persia from the border regions of the Ottoman Empire to the question "For what?" The Shah replied to his velmes shortly and clearly, "They are the Armenians who serve the Sultan and strike us in the back at the right time"
    46. -3
      November 9, 2020
      Shusha Nasha. For two days I have been looking at the statements on this site. ... This is war.
      Boomerang of history. Justice prevails. The Azerbaijani army has become combat-ready in 30 years. We can sell not only tomatoes. And we can fight. They made Us learn this. Ce la vie.
    47. -1
      November 9, 2020
      Quote: Azimuth
      Being within the reach of artillery fire, knowing that the enemy also has a UAV, behave like walking in the Bois de Boulogne.

      They can afford it, because they know that the walk is not very dangerous, even if the place is shot and there are dozens of barrels, at least 122mm, or a battery of hailstones, then the chance of staying alive is quite high, there is time to hide somewhere, this is for you at the WTO
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    50. +1
      November 9, 2020
      I am not on the side of either side of the conflict. But it should be admitted that during the Soviet period Shusha, although it was part of the NKAO, was populated mainly by Azerbaijanis. That is, there were also settlements mainly populated by Azerbaijanis inside NKAO. On the other hand, outside the NKAO in the Azerbaijan USSR, there were territories inhabited mainly by Armenians. Here there is a certain analogy with the Gali region of Abkhazia. While recognizing the right of Abkhazia to self-determination, it is difficult to understand why the Abkhaz themselves do not recognize the right to self-determination in the Gali region, inhabited mainly by Georgians.
    51. 0
      November 10, 2020
      Russian peacekeepers will be stationed in Karabakh.
      Decision is made
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    53. -1
      November 10, 2020
      Quote: Rubina
      This suggests the same thing that the newspaper Le Monde wrote about, the Azerbaijanis confirmed in the next branch, they did not believe us and mocked us. Shusha was taken by the mountain special forces, which made their way into the city through the forest and further along the steep wet rocks, therefore, according to the French reporter, pistol or knife wounds from the wounded from Shushi brought to Khankendi / Stepanakert - close hand-to-hand combat. I would like to put it in the protocol in case they write here that the Azerbaijanis won only at the expense of Turkish and Israeli equipment purchased for petrodollars.

      Enough with the nonsense, the “French reporter” conducted an examination and found that the gunshot wounds were “pistol wounds”)))))))
      no one, with a massive flow of wounded, will conduct such an examination; it is in the minds of an alternatively gifted Azerbot.
    54. +1
      November 10, 2020
      Quote: MTN
      Quote: Pavlos Melas
      Sorry to interfere, but I already wrote to you that this is not a completely correct argument. )

      Well then, give them autonomy in Sochi, Abkhazia, Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories.

      Sincerely.

      Thanks but I do not need. I am not against any nationality living in my hometown, or even in the region, but autonomy is unnecessary. They already have cultural autonomy (their own church, their own school at the church), but autonomy is superfluous...

      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      Such a beautiful city. All on mountains and ravines, here with proper defense it can be conquered for weeks.

      Many cities of the North Caucasus and Transcaucasia are so “multi-level”, and also very green. In my city, the difference in height between the so-called. The “sleeping area” and the “old town” are generally about 200 meters vertical.
      As for defense... It's hard to say. After all, it all depends on how many defenders and attackers there are, how they are motivated, and the size of the city. During the Great Patriotic War, Stavropol was surrendered almost without a shot, and was liberated in a few days

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