The conscript who shot his colleagues in Voronezh was detained

Private conscript Anton Makarov, who escaped after the murder of three colleagues at the Baltimore airfield in Voronezh, was detained by police officers. This is reported by the emergency services of Voronezh.

The police detained. Alive

- said in a statement.

The press service of the district confirmed the arrest of Makarov, while no details of the arrest are given at the moment. Earlier it was reported that he may be hiding in the territory of the unit.

At the same time, the Baza Telegram channel reports that Makarov was detained in the village of Zemlyansk. According to media reports, he previously stole a car, threatening the driver weapons... During the arrest, he did not offer resistance.

Recall that on November 9, at about 5 am, Private Makarov, having seized the service weapon of the duty officer, shot three people and wounded another, after which he fled in an unknown direction. A plan "Interception" was announced in the city, officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Rosgvardia and SOBR were looking for the serviceman.

According to the press service of the Western Military District, the preliminary cause of the incident was a nervous breakdown.

A nervous breakdown is considered as the main version of what happened.

- stated in the district.

Comments

[faiver]

A nervous breakdown is considered as the main version of what happened.

- the question is where was the platoon leader looking? company commander?
Granny Makarova talks about hazing in the unit ...

[Status]

Yes, they did not look anywhere, since such outrages are happening. There was more order in the construction battalion in the 90s, judging by these events

[Terrible_L.]

The police are great, we must pay tribute, they worked quickly

[Stas157]

According to the press service of the Western Military District, the preliminary reason for the incident is breakdown.

If our military service in peacetime presupposes nervous breakdowns and commanders consider this to be the norm, then it must be written into the charter. How to act for those who have a nervous breakdown and for those who bring the soldier to this. Otherwise, this explanation does not clarify (solve) the situation.

[210ox]

These tragedies have been going on for a long time. Here's what happened in the commandant's platoon. h. 54119 Balabanovo 1985. I was already demobilized in the fall of 1984 and I know from the story of my fellow countryman. The arrested man was killed by a guard in the guardhouse. It is clear, gouge and even with manners of exclusivity. The guard has a stress with such "work" - I know from myself. And there were "Estonian hot guys" ... Well, off it. They planted those involved, disband the platoon.

[Revolver]

Doesn't that name Arturas Sakalauskas mean anything to you?

[210ox]

No, especially since this is not an Estonian. There were two names I will not give. The head of the guardhouse, Makhmudzhanov, was arrested. What about the commandant captain Alergush, pom. the commandant of warrant officers Blinov and the platoon commander of Art. Ensign Isaev - I don't know.

[APASUS]

Quote: Nagan

Doesn't that name Arturas Sakalauskas mean anything to you?

Yes, there was a case. Then this case thundered all over the country. Then we all were brainwashed in political classes.

The Sakalauskas case is the case of the murder of five colleagues, as well as the chief of the guard, his assistant and the train conductor, by private of the internal troops Arturas Sakalauskas on 23 February 1987. The reason was mockery on the part of these colleagues with the non-interference or tacit approval of the chief of the guard and the guide.

[Revolver]

Bullying is putting it mildly. They lowered him, and he did not want to be an official rooster, at least until the end of his military service.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Stas157

How to act for those who have a nervous breakdown and for those who bring the soldiers to this.

Let's say that shooting at colleagues is a fairly common phenomenon. Even in the USSR. My father, who had served in the Soviet Army for 25 years, could tell many similar cases. But in our time, where psychologists run everything, the question is primarily to them. In addition, the current situation must be taken into account. Young people who grew up in a cozy little world at the computer and in social networks are often completely lost when faced with a harsh reality. Which includes military service. So what about the "nervous breakdown" is quite understandable. And you can't remove the blame from the commanders either.

[Megatron]

Yes, I have already seen what kind of "good fellows" they are, lying unarmed on the ground, their feet stamping on him. In the best traditions of our cops.

[Eug]

Are the pilots appointed as DC? During the years of my service (87-89), this was not ...

[Prahlad]

Yes, what good fellows ... I'm sorry for the guy!

[fruc]

the preliminary cause of the incident is a nervous breakdown .......

Long-term treatment of "nervous breakdown" is provided in places not so remote, where it is cold in summer, even in a coat.

[Revolver]

Quote: frruc

Long-term treatment of "nervous breakdown" is provided in places not so remote, where it is cold in summer, even in a coat.

Not necessary at all. As an option - an institution in which the walls are upholstered with felt or something else soft, and the guests are dressed in shirts with ties on the sleeves in the latest fashion. And ukolchiki on schedule.

[sanja.grw]

Did you serve in the construction battalion? I am yes, 93-95

[vitvit123]

My uncle served in the construction battalion, somewhere in the mid-80s .... also a difficult service ... to say the least ...

[fruc]

You yourself believe in it that you wrote. In construction battalions, even the military oath was carried out with wooden machine guns.

[smart ass]

They beat a guy in love, humiliated you and a nervous breakdown.

[tomket]

Quote: Clever man

They beat a guy in love, humiliated you and a nervous breakdown.

Sit down, put it down, say good words to him, comfort him ...

[Looking for]

your son will be "nipped" like this, so you will crawl on your knees to console .:

[smart ass]

Aha you can see in the part with a stool beaten off the head)

[tech3030]

If there is more than one Ingush, then here is the answer.

[Runoway]

At school / technical school / institute, there are also a lot of people who are beaten and humiliated, moreover, in public with filming on the phone and putting it on the Internet, that no one with an ax (at least as often as in the army) does not resort

[faiver]

remind the Kerch shooter?

[K-612-O]

In the school of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in which he studied before, too?
And there is no need to talk about beating, for a year of deadlines, especially in aviation, where hazing did not flourish before.

[Charik]

especially at home, I could tell my brothers, help

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: K-612-O

In the school of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in which he studied before, too?
And there is no need to talk about beating, for a year of deadlines, especially in aviation, where hazing did not flourish before.

Everyone tried to serve at the airfields. They considered it royal troops ... The kid, of course, went with his head. We do not know what happened at his house, happened ... Many factors could have influenced the nervous breakdown ... Eh, boy, what have you done ...

[zadorin1974]

Good Vasily. Not necessarily beaten. To serve in next to your house, doom yourself to problems in advance. Initially, psychological pressure, I want to go home (friends of a girlfriend are walking), but here no one looks at your personal desire, they said brito means brito. If also relatives and friends constantly bother the commanders, then either a podzhopnik or (the worst) ustavshchina. And if colleagues also fall under this case, then in general an ass with all the consequences. We must initially figure out how he got (stayed) to serve at home ...

[sedoj]

Quote: zadorin1974

Serving next to your home is to doom yourself to problems in advance.

Don't talk nonsense. If the boy is not a mama's son, then he will not have any problems. I did my training two hours from my own gate. I ran home three times in six months. Not without sergeant's permission, of course. Payment - vodka, as usual. And such problematic pillows at night soaked with tears. It's hard for them, you know. During the march, they were dragged along with the equipment. Otherwise, the entire platoon is double-loaded. But then in the combat units, after a year and a half, there was no one more bastard than them.

[ccsr]

Quote: Clever man

They beat a guy in love, humiliated you and a nervous breakdown.

This is still only a version, not confirmed by anything.
I think there will still be hazing, which this criminal will later refer to. Most likely the conscript was stoned or was heavily drunk, that's why the tragedy happened, and I don't see any other reasons to kill an armed officer, this is really a great rarity. What servicemen are capable of when heavily drunk was also known in the Soviet Army - then there were also emergency cases with a fatal outcome. But then always the first task was to immobilize a drunk by tying his hands and feet, so that God forbid he did not do something. Now they are apparently afraid of tough measures, which is why officers sometimes do not act as they should, and then such emergencies occur. No matter what they say, but I have long understood that at the present time it is necessary to make an army only on a contract basis, because the people and oligarchs have long been not united, which means that there will never be a genuine national unity. The contingent, which is now being called up, has often gone through such a "school of life" that it is already dangerous to trust them with weapons. It is a pity that innocent people died because of this monster, and of course he must be tried so that they do not speak in his defense.

[Borik]

Clever man (Vasya)
Today, 16: 04

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They beat a guy in love, humiliated you and a nervous breakdown.

It is not necessary to beat a person, you can even bring words to a nervous breakdown. It looks like it was.

It follows from the memorandum that the conflict at the Baltimore airfield occurred at about 05:20 am on November 9. There was a conflict between 20-year-old Anton Makarov, who was in his daily dress, and Major Sergei Ermolaev, who arranged the check, during which a soldier grabbed an ax from a fire shield and hit the officer, and then shot him with a selected pistol. A few minutes later, Makarov killed Private Aktaliev and Corporal Sergei Kazhokin, and also wounded another colleague.

I suppose that the major who arranged the check of the outfit found this fighter either sleeping or drunk, or in some other unsightly form. Well, I decided to point it out to him in "affectionate words".
What actually happened there can only be told by the survivor.

[Walking]

There was no investigation yet, and you have already decided everything?

[credo]

Quote: faiver

A nervous breakdown is considered as the main version of what happened.

- the question is where was the platoon leader looking? company commander?
Granny Makarova talks about hazing in the unit ...

They wrote that he did not shoot the major, but hacked to death with an ax and then with the pistol of this officer he killed two and wounded the third.

[faiver]

??? does it change anything?

[BDRM 667]

Quote: faiver

??? does it change anything?

Of course not, but it explains how he was able to take possession of the officer's service weapon. "Makarov", I suppose ...

[credo]

Quote: faiver

??? does it change anything?

Once again I explain, I do not presume to judge who is right and who is not, but this fact - the murder of an officer with the aim of taking possession of a weapon for the subsequent reprisals against his colleagues - can serve as an aggravating circumstance for Makarov, since he did it most likely with intent.

[Vadim237]

Maybe the Major got rotten and the staff with quirks for bullying.

[faiver]

most likely not, it just happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time ...

[K-612-O]

Once again about the "rotten" major
Sergei Ermolaev was also killed. He was on duty in the regiment.
Flight commander, bomber, active combat pilot of the 1st class, who has completed hundreds of sorties.
I killed him with my own. Private Makarov. In the back.
Ingush Ninael tried to stop him with his bare hands, but failed.
And the boy at the MVD school knew very well how to handle weapons. The question is how he went there for professional selection.

[faiver]

And the boy at the school of the Ministry of Internal Affairs knew very well how to handle weapons

- and what special knowledge is needed to deal with PM?

[K-612-O]

This is not yesterday's schoolboy, and he acted purposefully.

[fruc]

This is no longer a schoolboy, but an accomplished repeat offender-killer.

[BDRM 667]

Quote: frruc

This is no longer a schoolboy, but an accomplished repeat offender-killer.

The killer is true. But with the qualification "repeat offender" you are mistaken, since the concept of "recidivism" in jurisprudence, roughly speaking, means a repetition of a crime.
And behind him, there were no convictions.

[dedusik]

2faiver yes, at least how to remove the shutter

[BDRM 667]

Quote: dedusik

2faiver yes at least how to remove the shutter

For shooting, why remove the bolt when taking apart the weapon?

[dedusik]

You could not read the question I answered?
As for the poster, I saw it in my gun for almost 30 years, and even animated

[210ox]

The major had a service weapon and this soldier went to him precisely for the weapon. You won't go for a few people with an ax. I thought of everything and went.

[the Saint]

Quote: credo

They wrote that he did not shoot the major, but hacked to death with an ax and then with the pistol of this officer he killed two and wounded the third.

Losses from friendly fire and friendly ax.

[tomket]

Quote: faiver

Granny Makarova talks about hazing in the unit ..

Granny says a lot, but this degenerate was kicked out of the institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for systematic fights with fellow students.

[faiver]

Well, I do not urge granny to believe, firstly a relative, and secondly, we have a press that can twist anything to the contrary ...

[purple]

Granny is most likely disingenuous ... shields the scumbag

[Charik]

C, did you talk to granny himself?

[Ragnarok]

The society is decomposed - the army is also decomposed.

[Vol4ara]

The grandmother says that the guy in the unit ran into problems, one of the colleagues constantly pestered, mocked, took things away, so she was forced to periodically give him different things in return for the selected ones ...
I think that they are preparing to bury this colleague, and the guy stuck to the life, so they served. Yes, we are far from Jews ... They instantly solved the problems with hazing

[credo]

Quote: Vol4ara

The grandmother says that the guy in the unit ran into problems, one of the colleagues constantly pestered, mocked, took things away, so she was forced to periodically give him different things in return for the selected ones ...
I think that they are preparing to bury this colleague, and the guy stuck to the life, so they served. Yes, we are far from Jews ... They instantly solved the problems with hazing

The investigation will, of course, sort it out, taking into account the clarification of all the facts, since there are more questions than answers
because to judge some and whitewash others now is not the best time.

[faiver]

absolutely agree with you ...

[TulaTokarev]

The investigation, of course, will sort it out in the same way as with Shamsutdinov, mutual guarantee smears like soot ... They will send the boy to life, that's all the trial, we have an independent court!

[tomket]

Quote: Vol4ara

I think that they are preparing to bury this colleague, and the guy stuck to the life, so they served. Yes, we are far from Jews ... They instantly solved the problems with hazing

And how is the pilot, the flight commander, who does not work with conscripts at all, is to blame for this?

[Revolver]

Quote: tomket

And how is the pilot, the flight commander, who does not work with conscripts at all, is to blame for this?

At least the fact that he had a pistol and cartridges with him. Straight from Krylov: "You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat."

[Guards turn]

So his mother went to Israel to live, leaving her son.

[Captain45]

Quote: Vol4ara

The grandmother says that the guy in the unit ran into problems, one of the colleagues constantly pestered, mocked, took things away, so she was forced to periodically give him different things in return for the selected ones ...

What things? Sweaters, laptops, iPhones 8 pcs? This is an army, everyone has the same uniform, ankle boots, underwear and everything that is government-owned, only soapy ones. Grandma did she give him soap with a hem? Did you serve in the army? Do you know what a soldier is supposed to have? All personal belongings fit in 2 pockets. I don't know what!

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Captain45

Quote: Vol4ara

The grandmother says that the guy in the unit ran into problems, one of the colleagues constantly pestered, mocked, took things away, so she was forced to periodically give him different things in return for the selected ones ...

What things? Sweaters, laptops, iPhones 8 pcs? This is an army, everyone has the same uniform, ankle boots, underwear and everything that is government-owned, only soapy ones. Grandma did she give him soap with a hem? Did you serve in the army? Do you know what a soldier is supposed to have? All personal belongings fit in 2 pockets. I don't know what!

I served, so I know that everyone is equal, but some are smoother. And that the army has enough personal belongings

[Thrifty]

In vain they took a living, since we do not have the death penalty, we had to liquidate him! "When trying to arrest him, he resisted, and was eliminated" - such an end would have been more true for him! !!

[faiver]

not rather, but easier for everyone ...

[210ox]

Now the FSIN will suffer with this frostbitten.

[dedusik]

2 210sq Well, this is where he will end up and, don't let B., if there are Ingush there, the bloodlines still exist.

[Voyager]

And how are you better than him with your lynching?

[K-612-O]

What lynching, until 93 or in Belarus it is an iron firing squad, and now it’s 40 years old to feed him.

[Voyager]

And up to the 20th century, there were duels, let's dig even further and look back at the past?

[K-612-O]

Well, wear transfers to him for about 40 years, while he will wind up for life

[Voyager]

Or maybe you will go and arrange for him to be shot? And then I look easily at you everything, including scratching your tongue.

[K-612-O]

Go tell your snot to the family of a combat pilot.
And I would have arranged it, by court order.
I wonder if he also put Sobrovtsev, also norms?
His life 3 is definitely not worth it.

[Voyager]

Quote: K-612-O

What lynching, until 93 or in Belarus it is a firing squad

Quote: K-612-O

And I would have arranged it, by court order.

And, well, yes, I see the degree has been reduced - now by court order. Or is it still in place? Decide first, then be rude. Better yet, just keep it to yourself, silently.

[Voyager]

And if for good reason, have you ever tried to first understand the cause of the problem, before starting to solve it? It is necessary to interrogate the shooter and figure out what happened and for what reason, taking into account all the details, because this ass in the units with the executions of colleagues is already pretty fed up and it's time to finish. And then judge, both the offender himself, and indirectly involved in the person of elders in rank, for whom all this happens, and those responsible in the commission that hired a person with such inclinations, whether it is a psychiatric deviation or not. Or is it not their job? How did he get there and who is to blame?

[Varyag71]

Real sofa Rambo.

[hagen]

Quote: K-612-O

What lynching, until 93 or in Belarus it is a firing squad

To begin with, there was a preliminary investigation, then - the court, and then everything else .... And here you are, on the basis of gossip and unverified information, are already ready to apply "measures" ... You cannot think of a more stupid discussion. Nobody really knows anything, but "a pillar of smoke" ... Some kind of insanity based on the desire to speak out on an incomprehensible topic ..... We must at least wait for the end of the investigation, or something ...

[K-612-O]

The murder of 2 or more persons is a tower, especially of an officer on the database.

[hagen]

Quote: K-612-O

The murder of 2 or more persons is a tower, especially of an officer on the database.

To comment on the incident without case materials is complete nonsense. I do not do that...

[purple]

he's finished ... and you drown for him?

[Voyager]

I am drowning for the investigation of the reasons, for finding out who the goner was admitted to arms, and then for the trial of the goner by law. If the law does not work and no conclusions are drawn, such tragedies will inevitably continue!

[lwxx]

Yeah and ends in water. There is no person, there are no problems with the commanders in the unit. And now all the dirty laundry Out. if hazing is confirmed, then a cheerful white animal to everyone.

[yuratanja1950]

Quote: lwxx

if hazing is confirmed, then a cheerful white animal to everyone.

What hazing can be with 1 year of service? Although ... anything can be ... But the thought comes to me not about hazing, but about hazing relationships in the form of "assaults" of contrabass-contract soldiers-privates-sergeants on these young conscripts ... And the officers could connive at such "education" , and this is not surprising ...
I would have killed one - one could say that he was in a state of passion ... And then - he was pounding purposefully ... So - they got it ...

[K-612-O]

There is nothing else for the counter-soldiers to do? Departure from service if there is anything with an outstanding mortgage or loans?
And what will a contract soldier get from a conscript?
He would trample the day and go home or to the hostel. They are now paid in full.
And to bring up another 20 year old pretzels, they have nothing to do.

[purple]

Quote: yuratanja1950

Quote: lwxx

if hazing is confirmed, then a cheerful white animal to everyone.

What hazing can be with 1 year of service? Although ... anything can be ... But the thought comes to me not about hazing, but about hazing relationships in the form of "assaults" of contrabass-contract soldiers-privates-sergeants on these young conscripts ... And the officers could connive at such "education" , and this is not surprising ...
I would have killed one - one could say that he was in a state of passion ... And then - he was pounding purposefully ... So - they got it ...

they wrote that the boy was inadequate even in civilian life. In my opinion, everything is clear here for life to a thug

[K-612-O]

Well, what hazing in aviation, where conscripts, and indeed privates and sergeants in general, with a gulkin's nose and for a year of service.
Already 10 years ago, God forbid, a bruise or a scratch, prosecutors galloped, but now

[smart ass]

Filled up the offenders - well done

[Status]

well done ? well done if he resolved issues with them himself, even with an officer, if he has such ideas. Well done if he reported to the commander, well done if the commander did not decide, went on! Well done, then who solves issues, not even being afraid to admit to himself or to the commanders to be weak, here is that fellow! I don’t believe there was something serious! And to fill up an officer is a mental deviation! and you are great
Oh wow

[Vadim237]

"Well done" Those who sent him to the army if he had mental disabilities.

[K-612-O]

So he was kicked out of the Moscow Institute for his cuckoo, how he got there. Here's the question.

[tomket]

Quote: Clever man

Filled up the offenders - well done

What kind of offenders? Are you adequate? Do you understand what happened there?

[smart ass]

Do you understand adequate?

[purple]

Quote: Clever man

Do you understand adequate?

read think .. draw conclusions ...

[bukhach]

Quote: Clever man

Filled up the offenders - well done

You would have met such a fellow in life to personally praise, if you have time.

[smart ass]

I do not humiliate people and do not hit

[Kapral Alphych]

In vain they took a living

And thus, once again, they buried all the problems that led to this tragedy!

[tomket]

Quote: Kapral Alphich

And thus, once again, they buried all the problems that led to this tragedy!

Problem number one. The quality of the conscript. A person with an abnormal psyche is taken into the army. Where is VVK looking? Problem number two. Why is a conscript from Voronezh serving in Voronezh? how much did a military commissar get on his paw?

[K-612-O]

With his psyche, he was taken to the Institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, that's where who entered the VVK, that's a question.
And so I would have learned and even with shoulder straps would have been a freak.

[bukhach]

Precisely, I remember the major of the police, the police chief, relieved stress in a similar way in the store.

[Kapral Alphych]

Well, I had flat feet when I was drafted into the army, the verdict is valid. A year after I served in the army, I went through an advanced military service on a contract, the surgeon to me - "with such flat feet, even on an urgent basis" ... And no one was embarrassed that it was already a year since he returned from the army. Also chronic sinusitis, but the eyesight is not very good - "you are silent, you will go to the border guards"! I was silent, because I wanted to join the army. ))) So it turns out that when the Motherland needs you, they will get you both lame and oblique from the ground, and when you ask for something from the Motherland, then you are oblique, lame and you are not friends with your head)))

[K-612-O]

Even though the Ministry of Internal Affairs was selected as a contract, he went to the university on an urgent basis

[Looking for]

and you can come to anarchy ..

[ccsr]

Quote: Thrifty

In vain they took a living, since we do not have the death penalty, we had to liquidate him! "When trying to arrest him, he resisted, and was eliminated" - such an end would have been more true for him!

By the way, there was such a case in the GSVG, when our special forces soldier fled with weapons and took a German family in a car as hostages. Then he demanded that they go to the border and there he decided to cross the border with them in order to escape to the FRG. At first, the border guards of the GDR said that they would let him in, but to divert their eyes, they talked with the Germans if they wanted to leave, until one of the border guards shot our fugitive in the head. No one had any complaints about their actions - neither the German authorities, nor our military administration. In general, this incident sobered many of our deserters - they preferred to flee from the units without weapons so that they would not be shot by the Germans during their arrest, because they had clear instructions to destroy them without negotiations. So we sometimes need to learn from the Germans ...

[Turanov]

If a nervous breakdown, then the officer would have been overwhelmed .. And here he was clearly selectively shooting.
My condolences, especially to the mothers of the victims.

[faiver]

so he flunked the major ...

[loki565]

Selectively ??? He killed the officer, went to the barracks, when the officer on duty asked why he was not at the post, shot at him, the driver came out to the noise, also got hit by a bullet, colleagues started to run out of the barracks, shot another in the back. Threatening with a pistol captured two cars ...

[syndicalist]

However, he did not shoot the civilians.

[Terrible_L.]

During my service there was a search for an escaped soldier. Moreover, he fled during the KMB, there was no hazing. The girl knocked out a fool to escape. Fortunately, they found him on time, without any consequences. Although he left without a weapon, everyone was pretty nervous then. Subsequently, the soldier realized everything, served normally. He left as a sergeant.
Fortunately, there is no such thing that with weapons and shooting ...

[Status]

What a non-human, he raised his hand to his own people! whatever happens, if you were a man, why did he take their lives? relatives and acquaintances of him, now all turn away, ruined the lives of so many people
His things were taken away, what nonsense! What the hell can a soldier have? Except for toiletries

[Voyager]

You haven't been in the army for a long time, however.

[Status]

long ago, what is what is

[Asad]

In 1982 they drafted into the army, there were four of us young and twelve "scoops" from Ukraine! At first they drank blood to their heart's content, got it completely, came to the company from the guard with a submachine gun, said, I'll shoot everyone's dogs! Lagged behind, I really could not endure the strength! The officers in general were purple about what was going on in the company.

[smart ass]

Here I am, too, if the animals do not understand the language, then shoot the right decision.

[K-612-O]

Now, not only the grandfathers, but the scoops are gone.

[Undecim]

I wonder where you served? For 1982, such events do not seem very likely.

[Asad]

Really! Unlikely? I served in Norilsk, because we had a resort in comparison with other companies. In general, there was anarchy in the author, night concerts, booze, women! But there the young did not go on guard, there were no machine guns.

[Undecim]

I served 1983 - 1984 in Nikolaev and Odessa. This (banned) was not.

[Captain45]

Quote: Undecim

I wonder where you served? For 1982, such events do not seem very likely.

You obviously did not serve at that time, otherwise you would have remembered that in 1982 order No. 025 was issued to combat hazing in the USSR Armed Forces. I was called up for an urgent emergency in the fall of 1983 and the first order that was brought to us at the assembly point in the Totsk garrison was exactly this order. The political department officer said, they say, how the Motherland protects you recruits, just about to the political officer, and he will figure it out. And as in 1984 in Sain-Shand, four "guards" of the exodus with the attendant killed and rushed to China, the Mongolian hills know about that.

[Undecim]

You obviously didn't serve at the time.
He served in 1983-1984.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Stav

What a non-human, he raised his hand on his own! whatever happens, be human

Is being human being bullied?

[Status]

no, it means to report to the commander! if he cannot defend himself. and continue to endure what to do. but don't kill
In general, I look here at some sort of pioneer camp, my grandmother says things were taken away, everything is a plus, have you people gone crazy? there adult men gathered, in fact a combat unit, do you seriously think he did the right thing to decide people? come to your senses!

[Hypertension]

Quote: Stav

no, it means to report to the commander!

And if the commander is aware of what is happening and does not give further progress through the authorities?

Quote: Stav

in general, I look here they started some kind of pioneer camp

Whether it is the "old guard" like you, living according to the principle "we are ... and we are getting stronger."

[faiver]

Do you seriously think he did the right thing to decide people

- no, absolutely not correct, it would be better to just go into a self-propelled gun ...

[Cheerock]

Yes, here half of the commentators did not wear shoulder straps and are afraid that they will be forced to wear

[K-612-O]

It seems that these people either served in the 80-90s, when everyone was okay, or did not approach the army at all. And the regiment commander and political commander are now exactly in a bear's corner, the prosecutor's office will try

[41 REGION]

Quote: Stav

They took his things away, what nonsense

I do not know what was taken away, but tolerance is not ours, but otherwise the investigation will sort it out

[Jünger]

Probably hurt the pretzel a lot. In general, a bullet in the head of a "grandfather" for hazing is just that.
If a soldier cannot defend himself against humiliation by any means, then he is a worthless soldier.

[hydro]

and why then call such?

[faiver]

and why then call such?

- what?

[hydro]

conflict

[faiver]

so Makarov is described as a calm guy, although our press is still the same ...

[loki565]

You at least throw a link to the press that positively characterizes him, I wonder why he was then flooded from the school, probably also for positive characteristics

[faiver]

it’s late, ran through the news sites, read somewhere ...

[Jünger]

Lovers of bullying? How to distinguish them then .. especially since there are a lot of them, there will be no one to call.
Conditions in the army must be created in such a way that no one wants to fool.

[alexmach]

And if he defended it with a bullet, then it also turns out to be unusable.

[Cheerock]

What the fuck are grandfathers ?! Now they serve for a year, there are no grandfathers there!

[Dodikson]

Those who have gone crazy, even if they serve 2 hours earlier, can declare themselves grandfathers.

[Cheerock]

Can not. Grandpa is a year and a half longer service life and hierarchy. With a service life of + six months, they are sorted out pretty quickly. I served a kopeck piece for hazing, I know what I'm talking about. Now there can only be either a personal non-statutory person or a community. Judging by the information that is already there, the boy is mentally, to put it mildly, unbalanced.

[K-612-O]

There are no grandfathers for 10 years

[BISMARCK94]

The guy out of the blue has earned himself a long (if not life) term.
What can I say. This is not an isolated case. Firstly, it speaks about the quality of the entrance medical examination at the call. Secondly, non-statutory behavior (or hazing) has not gone anywhere, no matter how loudly the heads of various levels have announced it. It is clear that it is impossible to completely remove it from the army, but "sharp corners" where the recruit is ready to grab the barrel must be avoided.
Condolences to the relatives of the victims.

[smart ass]

The guy earned the term, the rest of the lives lost the commander well done

[maktub]

Our media are already writing about four victims
In my opinion, in 89m, in the ZabVO near Irkutsk, there was almost a similar case, if I am not mistaken, then the conscript "threw" the nachkar and the resting shift from the machine gun and "began to ski"
So they didn’t even “take” him, they found him and “put him down” while “resisting arrest”

[Yves762]

And yet, how did he manage to "take possession of the service weapon duty officer officer "?

[faiver]

with an ax on the head ...

[Yves762]

... the petty-bourgeois old woman-pawnbroker and her sister were calmed down by Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov, expelled from the law faculty of St. Petersburg University. -, we remember the classics ...

[loki565]

Not funny considering that

the flight commander, an active combat pilot of the 1st class, who had completed hundreds of sorties, died.

[Yves762]

Quote: loki565

Not funny...

Just about, taking into account the fact that "the flight commander, an active combat pilot of the 1st class, on whose account there are hundreds of sorties" (that is, the person is assumed to be "literate" in a broad sense) did not pay attention (it is very likely that there was ...) to inadequate / twitchy (it is highly likely that it was present, because "not Stirlitz" ...) the behavior of a "conscript" ...., with an ax.
Yes, of course, "and it happens to the old woman," but something somehow .. ..

[Cheerock]

There is a difference between an officer - a commander of a normal company and an officer-pilot who has no work experience with conscripts.

[RBLip]

Everything as usual. now he will start whining about non-statutory / hazing ... then, how with that shamsutdinov-sluggish-shamsutdinov will start all sorts of inflating ...

[Status]

an attack on an officer on duty, depending on the reasons, it is a military crime to me, it’s not so simple, this pretzel seems to me, you need to understand it thoroughly, there were already photos from Israel, what was he doing there?

[faiver]

his mother has been living there for a very long time, since the second grade he lived with his grandfather and grandmother ...
And so what if a person went somewhere?

[ALARI]

Who wears epaulettes and has ranks, wherever they have not been, with whom they did not talk.

[Looking for]

and what do you not admit?

[Dimy4]

Judging by some comments, the situation looks like this: they are offended - please go, or give it yourself in the face. What about life? I could not give in the face, you ch.m. about, and it is not taken into account that the attackers were, for example, five. Complained to the commander - you are an informer. Escaped from the unit - you are a de jure criminal. And where to go? All of this in no way justifies what happened. By the way, the media reported that he was studying to be a policeman and fellow students noted his strange behavior.

[faiver]

Escaped from the unit - you are de jure a criminal

- and now who is he?
it would be better if he ran away and turned to this committee of soldiers' mothers, or even before he was called to his mother in Israel, he dumped ...

[Dimy4]

And now, by the way, he has a chance to get into a psychiatric hospital.

[K-612-O]

Before being drafted, he tried to become a police officer, but was kicked out for fights

[Esaul]

Unit commanders should be tried too

[faterdom]

When the train was moving to Tajikistan, when driving around Moscow in a circle somewhere through Orekhovo-Zuevo, one soldier incited his comrades to pull the machine guns and - on free bread, because freedom, democracy and the 93rd year. The fighter was not mine, they put it in the group just before departure.
Mine made him understand (in the eye, to be precise), twisted him and brought him with a report, so, they say, and so ... In Ryazan I told the military commandant and the commander of the unit that sent him to me from Murmansk, and handed him over to the military commandant to wait for his for a subsequent tribunal. Together with a written report.
And the time was such ... What if this shelter shot me (because I have a safe with pistols and a key to it), then the committee of soldiers' mothers, like twice two, would announce that I beat him and tortured him in every possible way, without looking that I saw him for the first time the day before.
Or, what is likely, I would have shot him with a dangerous twitch - about the same song, only with a different outcome ...
The state was in great pain, and had not yet fully recovered.
Therefore, now attempts to understand / forgive / explain / justify will again begin, just as all movements in the Criminal Code and the Criminal Procedure Code in recent years were aimed not at protecting the normal life, health and property of citizens, but at indulging organized crime.
And the apotheosis is the liquidation by President Medvedev in 2008 of units that have such a task directly, without noise, dust and any, albeit ridiculous, but grounds.

[pereselenec]

Makarov, having seized the service weapon of the officer on duty, shot three people and wounded another, after which he fled in an unknown direction.

Things are not good with the training of drugs, since the drish-salaga first knocked a military officer with an ax, got hold of a weapon and filled up the floor of the squad. And if it were not the trick of a lone conscript, but a trained American saboteur would infiltrate? Would he then have cut everyone at the facility with one dental counter and successfully disappeared?

[K-612-O]

Drishch salaga before that was a cadet of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

[Jünger]

If you used edged weapons it means psychologically stable.
In general, the dude pulled off a daring operation, it says a lot.
It is not easy - a machine gun fell into the hands and shot everyone.

[purple]

Quote: tomket

Quote: Kapral Alphich

And thus, once again, they buried all the problems that led to this tragedy!

Problem number one. The quality of the conscript. A person with an abnormal psyche is taken into the army. Where is VVK looking? Problem number two. Why is a conscript from Voronezh serving in Voronezh? how much did a military commissar get on his paw?

Well, it's understandable why ... maman is in Israel ...

[saygon66]

- Some kind of garbage ... I entered the institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs - I didn't study ... I could have left the country - I didn't ... I could have just left the unit, surrendered to the police with all the consequences (this was often done in the 90s) - didn't either ... Accentuated type?
- Psychology is the essence of palmistry, and the army is so completely ...

[wow]

What a faint of heart we have become - only a year to serve and you have a nervous breakdown !!!

[Ragnarok]

To spend twenty-five years with eagles is far better than a year among vultures.

[CommanderDIVA]

The widespread use of the polygraph and psychologists among recruits, there is no other way, in the Russian Guard the polygraph is already actively used

[faiver]

Well, Rosgvardia is against an internal enemy, he is more dangerous than a likely enemy, God forbid the guns are deployed on those in power ...

[purple]

Quote: Clever man

They beat a guy in love, humiliated you and a nervous breakdown.

On March 17, 2020 at 8 o'clock, the ensign, being in the room for drying uniforms, dissatisfied with the fact that another soldier ignored his orders to hurry up to line up, inflicted 2 blows on the victim's ears with his palms, causing him physical pain, mental suffering and bodily injury qualifying slight harm to health.

By the verdict of the Vladimir garrison military court, the ensign was found guilty of committing the alleged crime and he was sentenced to a fine of 40 rubles.

This is a court verdict if cho.
What hazing ... forget ... sick ... what are you talking about?

[Charik]

I suppose a drug addict-to break the beginning and the cuckoo flew

[Victor1]

Out of the blue, this does not happen. The guy was most likely bullied, maybe they wanted to do "hazing" with him, here's a "nervous breakdown" for you.
Let the bullying supporters think now.
Better than "suicide". We will not be told the truth.

[Phoenix040]

When will they stop taking psychos and criminals into the army ?!

[rotfuks]

This Makarov was let down by his Jewish mother. A couple of years ago, my mother left for Israel, and Makarov himself at that time studied at the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. According to fellow students, Makarov was expelled from the second year of the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for fights and regular violation of discipline. Mom did not issue documents for him, and now he does not allow combat drones in Karabakh with his peers, but carries outfits at the cold Voronezh airfield. And Major Sergei Ermolaev, an officer killed by Makarov, reprimanded him. In addition to the officer, corporal Sergey Kazhokin and private Ninail Aktaliev were killed. Another soldier was hospitalized with bullet wounds to the shoulder and shoulder blade. Now it will cost dearly for the Israeli relatives of Makrov to get out of the slammer.

[Ge2an]

He killed those who most likely mocked him .. I do not think that he just killed them. The commander of the unit is on trial.

[sergevl]

They scoffed for studying at the academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs means rubbish, according to the concepts you need to lower it and give out the spoon with a hole, apparently this is what they tried to do.
The boy decided not to allow this, and apparently chose pzh instead of a violent homosexual experience.

[purple]

Quote: Ge2an

He killed those who most likely mocked him .. I do not think that he just killed them. The commander of the unit is on trial.

just like that, he was inadequate

[purple]

Quote: Voyager

I am drowning for the investigation of the reasons, for finding out who the goner was admitted to arms, and then for the trial of the goner by law. If the law does not work and no conclusions are drawn, such tragedies will inevitably continue!

Well, if you were interested in the question ... you would read that the commander made a remark to the scumbag, and went on, the scumbag took the ax off the fire shield, watched the officer and stabbed him with an ax, after which he took the pistol and shot his colleagues who hurried to stop this chaos.
Everything is clear, frostbitten. who was previously expelled from the school of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for inappropriate behavior simply took and killed people, and it was not a state of passion, it is just an asocial type. The question is for the psychologists who are now in the army ... how they missed such an inadequacy. He should have been in the construction battalion and not in the normal part