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The population decline in Russia has increased: one and a half times more dies than are born

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The Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation presented a report with dismal figures: the population decline in the Russian Federation continues to grow, in some regions twice as many people die as are born.


The demographic situation is one of the most important problems in modern Russia. If there is no birth rate, there will be no Russia. The authorities are trying to solve this problem, but so far not very successfully. At one time, maternity capital helped to increase the birth rate, but then everything returned to normal.

As follows from the report of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation, in the period from January to July 2020, the population decline in our country increased by 30% and amounted to 316,3 thousand people. On average, there are 1,4 times more deaths than births. In 41 regions of the country there are more deaths than births, 1,5-2,4 times. In January-July 2020, 811,7 thousand people were born in Russia, which is 5,7% less than in the same period last year. On average, the death rate exceeded the birth rate by 1,5 times in the country. These are sad numbers.

Due to the situation with the coronavirus pandemic, the entry of foreign labor migrants to Russia was restricted, in turn, many migrants who worked in our country began to leave home with their families. At the same time, unemployment also increased, which also led to a reduction in the total number of people employed in the country's economy.


First of all, the natural population decline is growing due to low birth rates. Now at the peak of childbearing age there is a generation of young people born in the difficult for our country in the nineties of the last century. The oldest children of the "dashing nineties" are already thirty years old, the youngest are twenty years old. In the 1990s, little was born. In turn, now the small generation also gives birth to few children, including due to the gradual increase in the age of marriage and the birth of the first child.

The state, in turn, does not show really serious concern for increasing the birth rate. Even the introduction of maternity capital payments for the first child no longer helps to rectify the situation. In addition, it is not very clear why families who have a third child are not entitled to anything, unless they are classified as low-income. Although in this situation it would be possible to focus on this category - would give birth to a third or fourth child, mainly representatives of the older generation of the 1980s, there are more of them than children of the nineties, and they are already mature enough people to plan their financial spending.

In addition, progressive inflation, low wages, layoffs and layoffs of workers, and growing unemployment contribute to the low birth rate. These are the economic factors of population decline. There are also socio-demographic factors. So, in Russia, the mortality rate of men at a young age is high - both 50-year-olds and 40-year-olds die, and the reason for this is lifestyle, stress, lack of timely and high-quality medical care.

Cultural factors in the growth of population decline include the fashion for a single and consumer lifestyle. The state has failed to form a model of family relations that is attractive to young people. Instead, we see the clumsy propaganda of the so-called "scrapie", which is openly made fun of not only inveterate ultraliberals.

Until economic and social problems are resolved, population decline will remain steadily high and progressive, and this is a huge risk for the Russian state. After all, there will be no people - there will be no Russia either.
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  1. Doccor18
    Doccor18 9 November 2020 15: 51
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    The authorities are trying to solve this problem ...

    Really..??
    1. credo
      credo 9 November 2020 16: 01
      -30 qualifying.
      "... The Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation presented a report with unhappy figures: the population decline in the Russian Federation continues to grow, in some regions twice as many people die as are born ..."
      ----------------------------------------
      I have doubts about the accuracy of the information provided by the Accounts Chamber.
      How they calculated and whether the existing migration of the indigenous population within the country was taken into account, as well as other factors, is still a question.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 9 November 2020 16: 12
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        Quote: credo
        I have doubts about the accuracy of the information provided by the Accounts Chamber.

        Naturally, how can this be .. As soon as the truth of life is announced .. so immediately not reliable information, but who voiced it, the agent of the State Department, navalnonok, etc.
        1. credo
          credo 9 November 2020 16: 22
          -13 qualifying.
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: credo
          I have doubts about the accuracy of the information provided by the Accounts Chamber.

          Naturally, how can this be .. As soon as the truth of life is announced .. so immediately not reliable information, but who voiced it, the agent of the State Department, navalnonok, etc.

          Don't go to extremes. It has long been known, especially after the collapse of the USSR and the elimination of northern benefits, that from the north and far east of Russia people are moving to large cities in the middle zone, the Urals, Siberia and the south of Russia.
          The people who remained in those places, mostly elderly, leave for another world, and large cities "swell" unnecessarily. It is difficult for me to judge whether the Accounts Chamber is right or not, because I do not know the methods for calculating them, but the fact that large cities are growing in number, including at the expense of visitors from other regions of Russia, is a fact that makes me little happy.
          And the State Department and Navalny have nothing to do with it, despite the fact that I did not mention them in the sue.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 9 November 2020 16: 51
            40
            Take a ride in the outback. Everything will appear in a much more depressing form.
            1. credo
              credo 9 November 2020 16: 55
              -10 qualifying.
              Quote: lexus
              Take a ride in the outback. Everything will fall into place in a much more depressing way.

              First, read what you are commenting on, I wrote about the same thing - the hinterland and distant regions are emptying, and large industrial and scientific cities are growing.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 9 November 2020 17: 00
                20
                Compare profit in large n.p. with a decline in all others try.
                Do not forget to subtract only "foreign bodies" for objectivity. yes
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 9 November 2020 17: 08
                  42
                  Population decline in Russiaand increased: one and a half times more dies than is born

                  Well, Putin obviously has nothing to do with this !!! Is not it? Is he going to give birth for you? Don't even dare to blame Vladimir Vladimirovich. He did it for himself and his friends with interest! And you are losers - do everything yourself.

                  The authorities are trying to solve this problem

                  Why such a terrible result of these actions? Did not the authorities themselves do everything to ensure that the life of the people was worthless, while at the same time it was very luxurious for itself.

                  The Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation presented a report with dismal figures: the population decline in the Russian Federation continues to grow, in some regions twice as many die people than is born.

                  I even know which ones! In regions with a predominantly Russian population.
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 9 November 2020 17: 11
                    19
                    Stas hi,
                    and there is. They break the "backbone" to deprive them of the ability to resist.
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 9 November 2020 17: 32
                      16
                      Quote: lexus
                      Break the ridge

                      If the ridge means the base nation, then it is so, colleague. hi
                      1. Lexus
                        Lexus 9 November 2020 17: 44
                        20
                        The unifying role of the Russian people cannot be refuted.
                      2. frog
                        frog 9 November 2020 19: 02
                        +5
                        The stump is clear, that's written in the constitution ...
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 9 November 2020 19: 20
                  -15 qualifying.
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Did not the authorities themselves do everything to ensure that the life of the people was worthless, while at the same time it was very luxurious for itself.

                  It is very pretentious, but problems with demography in all developed and prosperous countries, and Putin certainly has nothing to do with it. If you're interested, read Death of the West by Patrick J. Buchanan.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 10 November 2020 04: 59
                    12
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    but problems with demography in all developed and prosperous countries

                    Sorry, did you refer this term to Russia?
                    I'm not talking about intellectual, moral and moral and creative potential.
                    I'm talking about well-being.
                    Not all of Russia is in big cities.
                    And even in cities ... wages in the Russian Federation are already 2 times lower than in China. Even African countries are already giving a head start (of course, YET, not all).
                    The standard of living of the population has been steadily falling for the last 7 years, prices are rising, pensions for most men have been canceled (they simply will not survive).
                    What kind of development and well-being? Every year it gets worse, poorer, more difficult and more uncertain.
                    In such conditions, they do not give birth!
                    And the conditions are created on purpose, purposefully and maliciously.
                    And precisely for the white population of indigenous Russia.

                    And about
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    "Death of the West"

                    , so in the West there is still a lot of white population left. Although there is degeneration at a level that is not yet available to us, all efforts are made to exterminate the white population.
                    In France, 40% are already Arabs. yes
                    And we have the same tendencies with the organized delivery of men from Asia to construction sites, and other forms of such migration.
                    This is politics. yes
                    For this very -
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    "Death of the West"

                    ... and Russia to boot.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 10 November 2020 19: 24
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      Sorry, did you refer this term to Russia?

                      That is, in essence, there are no objections? To another whining about the fact that the power is so-and-so (if I heard about the same in the USSR), I replied that the problems with demography have other reasons.
                    2. bayard
                      bayard 10 November 2020 20: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, essentially no objections?

                      And what is the creature?
                      IN :
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      problems with demographics in all developed and prosperous countries and Putin has nothing to do with it.

                      First, Russia is not sufficiently developed, and even less so, not so prosperous country. And it is in THIS that Mr. Putin has something to do with it.
                      And the reason is in demography not because of the standard of living (look at the countries of Africa, Asia, Latin America), but in LIBERALISM. It is this pernicious misanthropic ideology that kills the aspiration for life in the peoples of the countries that have adopted it, deprives them of purposefulness, kills the correct attitude towards the family, children, deprives them of confidence in the future, makes the state ... the enemy of the people ... of this state. Under liberalism, people are a resource and consumable material that has no value other than purely utilitarian goals for the ruling class.
                      And the basis of liberalism is Roman Law.
                      The division of people into the LORD (who have everything, have the right to everything and the responsibility to society is excluded), and SLAVES, as this form of slavery, do not formalize (for them the Law, restrictive regulations and closed social elevators).

                      So tell me, liberal Putin (he called himself that way many times and proved it with his whole life and civil service). He faithfully served and serves his employers, providing them with prosperity and immunity, and the People ... new taxes, devaluation, inflation, new taxes, levies and fines, pension reform, medical reform, a flawed education system with the Unified State Exam, the collapse of high-tech sectors of the economy, army and navy rearmament programs, loss of technical competence and vocational education, unemployment, "self-isolation" ...
                      This is where we are perhaps ahead of many so-called. developed and prosperous countries, because we don’t even spend the money collected by taxes on our development and raising the standard of living, but ... LETTING OUT by the hands of Minister of Finance Siluanov, but at such a pace ... 4,36 trillion rubles for 10 months of this year !!!
                      Half of the state budget!
                      One and a half military budget!
                      And no responsibility and even ... reporting ...
                      This is certainly not before fertility.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Putin has nothing to do with it.

                      EXACTLY?
                      And then he does ... what?
                      Comrade Beria had a completely different opinion about such things.
                      Under him, every accident, failure and failure had its own NAME, SURNAME and POSITION.
                    3. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 10 November 2020 21: 45
                      -2
                      Quote: bayard
                      And what is the creature
                      in it
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      To the next whining about the fact that the government is so-and-so (if I have heard about the same in the USSR), I replied that the problems with demography have other reasons.

                      Quote: bayard
                      Firstly, Russia is not sufficiently developed, and even less so a not so prosperous country
                      I've heard this all my life. Here are just those who insist that it is safe there, but we do not, for some reason judge exclusively by the prosperous citizens there, and do not want to see the dysfunctional.
                      Quote: bayard
                      And the reason is in demography not because of the standard of living (we look at the countries of Africa, Asia, Latin America)
                      This is what I’m talking about.
                      Quote: bayard
                      Under liberalism, people are a resource and consumable material that has no value other than purely utilitarian goals for the ruling class.
                      Liberalism did not appear in recent years, but for some 50 years in quite liberal countries, the birth rate was all right.
                      Quote: bayard
                      The division of people into the LORD (who have everything, have the right to everything and the responsibility to society is excluded), and into SLAVES, as this form of slavery do not formalize
                      I wonder what would have happened in the USSR with a mere mortal who crossed the road to a rank from the KGB or a party boss?
                    4. bayard
                      bayard 10 November 2020 22: 51
                      +4
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      : bayard
                      Firstly, Russia is not sufficiently developed, and even less so a not so prosperous country
                      I've heard this all my life. Here are just those who insist that it is safe there, but we do not, for some reason judge exclusively by the prosperous citizens there, and do not want to see the dysfunctional.

                      I was not talking about "well being there."
                      I pointed out that it is difficult to regard modern Russia as prosperous, with a standard of living (average salary) two times lower than China, lower than Turkey, lower than a number of African countries. Despite the fact that these are the achievements of the last seven years - the standard of living fell every year lower and lower, taxes and their number are getting higher, + pension reform - the right to a beggarly pension for less than 50% of men (the rest will not survive).
                      Life in recent years has become more and more difficult, more difficult, poorer and more hopeless. In such conditions, ALWAYS, under any regimes and governments, any ideologies, the birth rate falls. It's just that people do not feel confident in the future, they are not sure that they will be able to raise children ... When, from the mid-2014s to XNUMX, the standard of living grew steadily ... some confidence in the future.
                      Now the process is exactly the opposite. Every year things in the country are getting worse and more unstable. And they are already afraid to give birth, they postpone it for later, or refuse altogether. And precisely because we are confident that tomorrow will be WORSE than yesterday.
                      And the government is doing everything today to make people stronger in this confidence (which will be worse).
                      To everyone!
                      To absolutely everyone.
                      This is in the entire state policy of the state, from juvenile justice (why give birth to children if strangers take them away, because the family has little income or housing conditions are not good enough), to the policy of importing foreign guest workers, imposing mortgage bondage, increasing taxes ... even for REAL ESTATE !!! Built with your own hands !!! On their own land !!!
                      I don't want to go on with the listing, it might be too long.
                      All this is genocide of its people. Moreover, the Russian people. In Muslim regions, the state policy is much (!) Softer.
                      When immediately after the Second World War, after the monstrous human losses, in a country half-destroyed by the war began ... "baby boom" (a powerful surge in the birth rate), it was the policy of the state too. And the ban on abortions under the threat of criminal liability introduced by Stalin is also a state policy.
                      And high-level public free medicine is public policy.
                      And free high-quality (!!!) education in the USSR is also a state policy.
                      And interest-free state loans for building a house (under Stalin), and free state apartments from the state, this is also a state policy.
                      And universal employment.
                      And social guarantees.
                      And trade union vouchers.
                      And the pension is 60/55 years old.
                      And the military and those employed in hazardous industries, and that - much earlier.
                      And a life-affirming ideology.

                      Today, the birth rate in Russia is not higher than 1,5 children per woman.
                      And this is entirely the merit of the authorities.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Liberalism did not appear in recent years, but for some 50 years in quite liberal countries, the birth rate was all right.

                      This phenomenon (ideology) had several names:
                      - slave system
                      - feudalism
                      - capitalism
                      - and modern liberalism.
                      I see a three-dimensional picture, not in the plane of momentary fashion trends.
                      And the example you cited that 50 years ago the states that adopted ultra-liberalism as their ideology had good fertility, but after that ... it says that you yourself understand everything, and perhaps no worse than me.
                      You just did not understand me.
                      Or they didn't want to.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      I wonder what would have happened in the USSR with a mere mortal who crossed the road to a rank from the KGB or a party boss?

                      There were a great many of them in the USSR.
                      Almost all of the Soviet leadership.
                      A lot of academicians, artists, statesmen came from simple peasant / working families.
                      Remember at least the Utkin brothers - Soviet academicians who gave us ICBMs "Voyevoda" and "Molodets" - peasant children who conquered the Second World War as junior ranks (sergeants), who graduated from that education, received a higher education and became academicians in such a complex engineering industry.
                      And Academician Yangel, too - from peasant children (though he graduated from school in the city).
                      And there are a lot of such people. It was on such people that the USSR made its unprecedented leap from bast shoes to the Superpower.
                      Then the social elevators were opened.
                      Today ?
                      That's it.
                    5. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 11 November 2020 19: 25
                      -1
                      Quote: bayard
                      I pointed out that it is difficult to regard modern Russia as prosperous, with a standard of living (average salary) two times lower than China, lower than Turkey, lower than a number of African countries.
                      During perestroika they shouted the same thing. The question is not about the nominal salary, but what you can buy with it
                      Quote: bayard
                      When immediately after the Second World War, after the monstrous human losses, in a country half-destroyed by the war began ... "baby boom" (a powerful surge in the birth rate), it was the policy of the state too. And the ban on abortions under the threat of criminal liability introduced by Stalin is also a state policy.
                      And high-level public free medicine is public policy.
                      Well, offer to prohibit abortion and contraception to our women. As for the fact that "here in the USSR ..." you don't need fairy tales. Not everything was bad, but I don't want to remember the same medicine.
                      Quote: bayard
                      And the example you cited that 50 years ago the states that adopted ultra-liberalism as their ideology had good fertility, but after that ... it says that you yourself understand everything, and perhaps no worse than me.
                      You just did not understand me.
                      Or they didn't want to.
                      Got what? The fact that humanity, in fact, does not change? So I have been saying this for a long time, and that is why communism is impossible.
                      Quote: bayard
                      There were a great many of them in the USSR.
                      Almost all of the Soviet leadership.
                      A lot of academicians, artists, statesmen came out of simple peasant / working families

                      I asked a simple question:
                      "I wonder what would have happened in the USSR with a mere mortal who crossed the road to a rank from the KGB or to a party boss?"
                      And something didn't get an answer.
                      And as for your enthusiasm, even now you can make a career if you have the desire and ability, but in order to get to a warm place at all times you had to try very hard.
                    6. bayard
                      bayard 11 November 2020 23: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      During perestroika they shouted the same thing. The question is not about the nominal salary, but what you can buy with it

                      Well, count what you can buy with an average salary.
                      Compare.
                      At least with Europe, at least with the United States, at least with China, at least with Turkey.
                      Subtract from the average salary utility costs, food costs, collect children for school (with all fees and levies), taxes (everything! I won't even list), from clothes ...
                      Huh?
                      I'm not talking about top managers and office plankton in big cities. I'm talking about the bulk of the population.
                      Moving by public transport ... This is not a symbolic 5 kopecks for a metro / bus, 4 for a trolleybus and 3 for a tram ...
                      And look at the same China with its 1,5 billion, about whose "welfare" there were jokes in the Soviet Union. To Europe. Turkey and any more or less stable country ... with a MUCH better climate than ours. Without cold winters and long demi-season ...
                      Or do you want to say that our food is cheap?
                      Services?
                      Transport ?
                      It was possible to say something like that in the USSR. In modern Russia, everything is like theirs - in a bourgeois way.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Well, offer to prohibit abortion and contraception to our women. As for the fact that "here in the USSR ..." you don't need fairy tales. Not everything was bad, but I don't want to remember the same medicine.

                      Do not touch the Soviet medicine, it was of sufficient quality and most importantly - publicly available.
                      I lived in that country, and I have something to compare with.
                      And then there were enough doctors. Nobody optimized them. As well as not "optimized" and hospitals with paramedic points.
                      I had quite a lot of doctors I knew then, and now, no less, I know this area quite well.
                      And the question is not only about the prohibition of abortion (killing babies in the mother's womb), but about the careful attitude towards the health of the people (the word "nation" is not our case), about concern for their welfare and morality.
                      In the USSR, "maternity capital" was not paid, but there was a real concern - paid maternity leave, dairy kitchens, free (practically) nurseries and kindergartens. The state CARED about its future citizens, and for the words "the state did not force you to give birth" it would be possible not only to fly out of work with a whistle, but even get a deadline (depending on the form and consequences of the deed).
                      Free clubs for young technicians, and other educational, music schools, sports sections (if there was a fee, it was purely symbolic).

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      humanity, in fact, does not change. I have been repeating this for a long time, and that is why communism is impossible.

                      To hell with all these isms. Parasites were not always and will not be forever. They do not change, and it will not work to change and reeducate them - genetics. There have been attempts.
                      The society of social justice (such societies existed before, existed in the very recent past) are known under different names, and "communism" - the notion of the son of Rabbi Karl Marx, has a number of inherent vices (delayed-action mines), therefore Stalin built his / our state not so much according to his patterns, but on the basis of centuries of experience in building similar social systems in the past. He did it creatively, with reference to the objective realities of that difficult time. He almost finished its construction, rebuilding the country after a terrible war - the 1953 USSR was a masterpiece! But a number of reforms have not yet been completed, and the internal opposition (Trotskyists) did everything (including the murder of the leader) so that these reforms never saw the light of day.
                      The USSR that we remember under Khrushchev, Brezhnev, etc., was an ideological and conceptual stub from the magnificent slender building of the state of social justice, built by Stalin. But even a glimpse of that ideal was enough for our country and people for several more decades of progressive growth and development. But the traitors (Trotskyists) were already preparing the final decision on the Stalinist inheritance ... And they realized their plans with the help of Gorbachev (the son of a Turkish citizen and an English spy from university years) and Yeltsin.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      I asked a simple question:
                      "I wonder what would have happened in the USSR with a mere mortal who crossed the road to a rank from the KGB or to a party boss?"
                      And something didn't get an answer.

                      I did not immediately see it, and later I considered it unnecessary to add a second comment.
                      What would be ?
                      This is the subjunctive mood. Everything depended on the fact, not even to whom I passed, but HOW. But I will say right away that any party bosses had their own party committee (from the old party members who could twist their neck to any first secretary if he really went too far and “cut himself off from the people.” And a call to the party committee for ANY party rank (only the very fact of a call! ) had already plunged into cold sweat and was not even the "first bell", but a gong for departure from all posts, and if necessary - criminal liability.
                      So you also need to be able to cross.
                      There were, of course, thieves, but with modern majors, and even more so - oligarchs, their opportunities were not even close.
                      The same applies to military ranks.
                      There were also courts of officer honor and other forms of protection of one's rights and rightness.
                      I knew a lot of ranks and bosses ... they could not be put on a hectare with modern swaggering bureaucrats of the lower rank, because of arrogance and arrogance.
                      Others were human.
                      Simply - others.
                      Absolutely.
                      Education is different.
                      The concepts of good and evil, of the possible and the IMPOSSIBLE ...
                      And I used to go over. But not out of harm, or in the desire to do evil, but when he felt that he was right. When I was sure that I was right and correct.
                      And no one broke my fate for that. Moreover, it was often possible to prove their case, through ... another instance.
                      But in modern times, everything is completely different.
                      And in my personal experience, too.

                      And at Khazin, by the way, too - you can read / listen to examples from his life and the life of his family ... This is instructive.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And what about your delights

                      I have no enthusiasm, only a sober analysis of reality and the recent past.
                      From the point of view of a person who knows and remembers a lot.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      so now you can make a career,

                      Of course, you can make a career (!).
                      If you make a career for the sake of a career, and not for the real benefit of the Country, People, Society ... Defense ... real Science ...
                      I know a lot of careerists too ...
                      But the current government is not looking for Benefits, and not for the result ... but for Enrichment. To yourself and your children.
                      More sublime and subtle feelings are not available to them ...
                      Negative selection. request
                      For more they No. not capable.
                      bully
                    7. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 12 November 2020 19: 39
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      Well, count what you can buy with an average salary.
                      Simply put, you yourself do not know, you are sure that theirs is better.
                      Quote: bayard
                      It was possible to say something like that in the USSR
                      You could talk.
                      Quote: bayard
                      Do not touch the Soviet medicine, it was of sufficient quality and most importantly - publicly available.
                      I lived in that country, and I have something to compare with.
                      I also lived then and I have something to remember.
                      Quote: bayard
                      The state CARED about its future citizens, and for the words "the state did not force you to give birth" it would have been possible not only to fly out of work with a whistle, but even get a deadline (depending on the form and consequences of what was done).
                      When free resources appeared, they began to take care, but the decline in population growth began already then.
                      Quote: bayard
                      The USSR that we remember under Khrushchev, Brezhnev, etc., was an ideological and conceptual stub from the magnificent slender building of the state of social justice built by Stalin.
                      Are you proposing to make Stalin an immortal God-Emperor?
                      Quote: bayard
                      any party boss had its own party committee (from the old party members who
                      yuli were such Austrians as he was, so that real actions from them could only be if someone completely lost the coast. Well, what was this very different upbringing, you could see in the 90s.
                      And by the way, we are still led by people who were born and raised in the USSR and were brought up there.
                      Quote: bayard
                      I have no enthusiasm, only a sober analysis of reality and the recent past.
                      From the point of view of a person who knows and remembers a lot.
                      Is it?
                      Quote: bayard
                      Of course, you can make a career (!).
                      If you make a career for the sake of a career, and not for the real benefit of the Country, People, Society ... Defense ... real Science ...
                      And what prevents you from working for real benefit? Unwillingness?
                    8. bayard
                      bayard 13 November 2020 01: 28
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Simply put, you yourself do not know, you are sure that theirs is better.

                      Prices for food and consumer goods are about the same (somewhere more expensive, somewhere cheaper, not the point), but the balance after all payments for the average Russian will be much less.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      When free resources appeared, they began to take care, but the decline in population growth began already then.

                      The decline in the birth rate was a consequence of Khrushchev's reforms - cut wages, low housing standards and the very ideology of "living for oneself", "in a family of 1 - 2 children", the termination of the issuance of state loans for the construction of private houses. Plus, under Khrushchev, people dramatically became poorer (revision of tariff scales, plans, a ban on piecework wages, monetary reform, adventures in agriculture) ... people again felt anxiety and uncertainty, crooks reappeared in power (who later surrendered the Country) and housing construction of Khrushcheb "cells", in which a large family was cramped ...
                      Under Brezhnev, people felt better and lived peacefully, but remembering the past, more than 2 people tried not to give birth.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Are you proposing to make Stalin an immortal God-Emperor?

                      I propose to return to his type of state.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And by the way, we are still led by people who were born and raised in the USSR and were brought up there.

                      These are reincarnations - a product of negative selection.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And what prevents you from working for real benefit? Unwillingness?

                      To me ?
                      War.
                      I am the seventh year in Donetsk.
                      Citizen of Russia, born in the RSFSR from Russian parents.
                    9. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 13 November 2020 18: 34
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      but the balance after all payments for the average Russian will be much less
                      And taxes and utility bills are not included here?
                      Quote: bayard
                      The decline in the birth rate was the result of Khrushchev's reforms
                      What kind of country was it that one person and everything is just the most dense monarchy.
                      Quote: bayard
                      I propose to return to his type of state.
                      Without Stalin? What is it like?
                      Quote: bayard
                      These are reincarnations - a product of negative selection
                      Where have all the real communists gone?
                    10. bayard
                      bayard 14 November 2020 05: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And taxes and utility bills are not included here?

                      Once again - the remainder, this is after (!) Payment of utility bills, taxes and other mandatory payments.
                      In the last seven years alone, the standard of living in Russia has dropped by about two times. In the same China and Turkey, on the contrary, it rose.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      What kind of country was it that one person and everything is just the most dense monarchy.

                      After the assassination of Stalin, all his associates / like-minded people were removed from the top posts - a Trotskyist coup took place (Khrushchev and his supporters were Trotskyists and conformists).
                      After Khrushchev was removed from power, many Stalinist norms were returned, but not all (the events in Czechoslovakia frightened and Kosygin's reforms were curtailed). It was thanks to Brezhnev and the people who brought him to power that the country received peace, confidence in the future and progressive development. But the state in its quality did not rise to the previous - Stalinist level. There was a certain balance of power between the statesmen and the fifth column of the Trotskyist underground.
                      The entire "perestroika" was conceived, prepared and organized by Andropov, a blood relative of Sverdlov, a Trotskyist-internationalist, who brought his cadres to power.
                      When you know and understand the processes, events do not cause surprise.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      bayard
                      I propose to return to his type of state.
                      Without Stalin? What is it like?

                      Stalin gave an example, created a theory and proved its extraordinary effectiveness in practice - EXAMPLE IS LEARNED (as Ivan-4 Vasilyevich the Terrible said in his will).
                      Its legacy is still being broken and spat upon, but it is on it that the Country holds on.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Where have all the real communists gone?

                      Stalin was not a communist, Stalin was a BOLSHEVIK, and the party was called VKPb (All-Russian Communist Party of Bolsheviks), this is like Orthodoxy among other Christian heresies.
                      It was Trotsky who was a communist.
                      Remember the film "Chapaev"?
                      "Are you for the Bolsheviks, or are you for the Communists?"
                      Deep meaning in a seemingly naive phrase.
                      And it was Khrushchev who renamed the VKPb to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union - a convinced Trotskyist and the very "traitor in the Central Committee" whom he was looking for, but he could not find and recognize before his death J.V. Stalin and his MGB (information came from our agent in MI -6) ...
                      Only the BOLSHEVIKS are able to recreate the Social State of the Stalinist type.
                      And the "communists" are only capable of running to the American embassy for instructions and portraying the opposition according to the templates of the owners.
                    11. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 14 November 2020 06: 58
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      Once again, the balance is after (!) Payment of utility bills, taxes and other mandatory payments
                      From simple employees or from more highly paid specialists.
                      Quote: bayard
                      After the assassination of Stalin, all his associates / like-minded people were removed from the top posts - a Trotskyist coup took place (Khrushchev and his supporters were Trotskyists and conformists).

                      That is, all the Bolshevik power was on one Stalin, and without him everything fell apart. Well, why such a system?
                    12. bayard
                      bayard 14 November 2020 08: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      From simple employees or from more highly paid specialists.

                      More highly paid specialists in any state live normally, we are talking about the average per capita income EXCEPT oligarchs, top managers and highly paid plankton (gentlemen and servants).
                      It's about POPULATION.
                      Quote: Dart2027

                      That is, all the Bolshevik power was on one Stalin, and without him everything fell apart. Well, why such a system?

                      Many scientific schools have argued about the role of personality in history. Some said that "only society determines" - they were lying, society never determines whether society accepts or rejects. And if the defining one breaks through the knee, then society accepts against will.
                      "Stalin's plan" - his economic policy, social, stake on "self-reliance", "development of the internal market", self-sufficiency, autonomy, family values ​​and traditional morality, THE PEOPLE ACCEPTED.
                      ACCEPTED AND IMPLEMENTED.
                      Despite the devastation after WWI and the civil war, huge losses, destruction and exodus of the ruling class and a fair share of the educated population ... despite the internal post-revolutionary split and internal opposition within the party, sabotage and sabotage in the first years of the five-year plans ...
                      PEOPLE "Stalin's Plan" ACCEPTED.
                      But the "king" is always played by the retinue. Without like-minded people, associates, assistants, he would not have succeeded. Economic plans, theoretical developments, educational reform programs, military reform ... FINANCIAL REFORM, about which they do not speak at all, and perhaps they do not even know ... All this, or almost everything, was brought and prepared by his associates. Without the workers who put all their strength, health, time, and sometimes life itself on the creation of a "State of a New Type", nothing would have come of Stalin and a group of party supporters by definition. The same Trotsky and his masters had ALL other plans for Russia. And then they had much more strength, and means, and internal organization.
                      But Stalin won!
                      And Russia has embarked on its historical, primordial tracks.
                      The state that Stalin was building recreated the image of the state that was in Russia BEFORE the appearance of "masters" and parasites.
                      Estatesless, a society of equal opportunities, a society of FREE PEOPLE. And not slaves ... "God", "master", etc. schizophrenia.

                      Incidentally, it is according to Stalinist patterns that China has performed and is performing its "economic miracle". And when someone says that in China it is not socialism, but state capitalism ... lol So after all, Stalin was building the State Corporation.
                      Yes Yes exactly .
                      And the freedom of entrepreneurship was with him.
                      But - personal entrepreneurship!
                      Not parasitic.
                      Without the exploitation of man by man.
                      The cooperative movement was welcomed, encouraged, and even propagated.
                      Read Stalin's report on the results of the 1st five-year plan! I'm sure you'll be ... quite surprised.
                      Look at the post-war programs.
                      This is not Khrushchev's cave Trotskyism-"socialism", not equalization and cutting incomes of workers, overregulation of the economy and the liquidation of such a state institution as the Government of the USSR !!! This is not the surrender of the allies, the surrender of their own naval bases, the destruction of a huge number of cannons (artillery) and the latest aircraft under the autogenous condition ... a multiple reduction of the Army ... cutting on the stocks of ships under construction ...
                      Under Stalin, most of all in the Country were received by people who made the maximum contribution to the well-being and development of the country - scientists, engineers, designers, outstanding artists. Under Stalin, an academician received at times more than any member of the Central Committee or a minister!
                      ... It is these categories - the best people, the salt of the earth and the brain of the State Khrushch reduced to a pitiful state, redrawing all the tariff scales approved by Stalin. And the engineer, designer, artist ... began to receive just a beggarly salary ...
                      This was done intentionally.
                      It was the revenge of a nonentity and work to split society.
                      An engineer, who previously had a high social status and a salary several times higher than that of an ordinary worker (which is fair in accordance with the contribution made), began to receive in TWO and more times lower wages than a worker ... belay
                      It was outright sabotage.
                      But then Khrushch was not allowed to destroy the State.
                      ... And then came the time of the Gorbachev and other pygmies with trowels.
                      Stalin's state did not collapse, it, as the strongest capital building, still stands as its skeleton, just as "reformers" of all stripes did not undermine it.
                      We live in it to this day, although it is now in a very mutilated and perverted form.
                      Russia does not exist on a separate planet, but on this planet, captured by parasites who have never stopped their efforts to destroy it.
                      Acting through traitors and their agents.
                      This is the eternal struggle between Good and Evil, Light and Darkness, Truth and Krivda.
                      Dialectics of life and struggle.
                      But we live not boring.
                    13. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 14 November 2020 09: 16
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      EXCEPT oligarchs, top managers and highly paid plankton (gentlemen and servants).
                      It's about POPULATION.
                      We are talking about him. You, too, are not about highly qualified specialists.
                      Quote: bayard
                      But the "king" is always played by the retinue. Without like-minded people, associates, assistants, he would not have succeeded
                      Sounds very correct (I am absolutely serious), only as soon as he died and everything went downhill. It is a fact.
                    14. bayard
                      bayard 14 November 2020 10: 19
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      , that's just as soon as he died and everything went downhill

                      He did not die - he was killed. It was a conspiracy of Trotskyists from his entourage, and the terrified conformists who joined them. Stalin was preparing very serious state reforms.
                      With the complete removal of the Party from power, leaving it only ideology and training.
                      Stalin was building a CLASSICAL state, in the sense of its state institutions.
                      And this was very much feared by the party princes, who, as a rule, did not have a serious education or special talents. Stalin prepared a new generation of state leaders for power - talented, initiative, ideological, big-minded. He dramatically expanded the composition of the Central Committee at the expense of these new members ... and the "old party members" were ... in the minority ...
                      And power is sweet for a parasite that clings to the winning party during revolutionary processes ...
                      And they decided to fight for their power.
                      To death!
                      And they killed Stalin, having previously slandered the chief of his security, replacing most of his security officers.
                      And immediately after the murder ... ALL new members were removed from the Central Committee!
                      And they and his companions-in-arms were subjected to their places ... COMPLETE rout. A lot of party and government workers of high and high rank were removed from their posts and sent to remote regions of the country to VERY insignificant positions.
                      Many were arrested.
                      The same generals Sudoplatov and Etingon were arrested and miraculously survived.
                      Stalin's son Vasily was arrested.
                      In total, at least tens of thousands of leaders of various levels from the "Stalin Guard" suffered in this way throughout the country.
                      After the War, Stalin suffered a heart attack ... and this was not his first heart attack, at least one more occurred during the war. Therefore, for the last couple of years, Stalin retired and lived in his dacha near Moscow. The state was then ruled by a collective body - the Presidium of the Central Committee, he made decisions on behalf of Stalin, signed documents in his name. Stalin's illness was hidden (there was a war in Korea).
                      And when, after a while, Stalin began to return to business, he saw WHAT they had done.
                      And I decided to rectify the situation.
                      In addition, he began work on the theoretical study of the issues of Developed Socialism - his last, unfinished work ... prophetic and simply brilliant ... If he had lived even a few years, all this would have come true.
                      And he decided to remove the presumptuous bureaucrats from power ... to remove ...
                      But they didn't want to.
                      And eliminated it.
                      And then, in horror from a possible popular revenge for what they had done ... they began to sow slander at him and destroy HIS State.
                      And they were CHANTAGED by this secret ... British (and American) intelligence.
                      And they conspired.
                      Khrushch surrendered our naval bases on the islands in the Danish straits, Port Arthur and Indonesia ... He surrendered Indonesia itself, which was allied to us, built socialism and was ruled by the Communist Party ... Under their pressure, he carried out a monetary reform, denominating the ruble and changing gold content in it.
                      Reduced the Army.
                      Slashed the fleet!
                      Aviation.
                      Artillery.
                      Multiply !!!
                      I went to America and decided to grow corn here.
                      EVERYWHERE!
                      Even in the North, the Urals and Siberia!
                      To "overtake the USA" in meat production, AT THE SAME TIME he put under the knife the number of dairy cattle ... almost provoking hunger ...
                      ... He plowed up the virgin lands, instead of first strengthening the land with square forest plantations, and only then ... And the whole fertile layer was blown away by the wind - dust storms in the Volga region covered the light ... This adventure (Virgin lands) was barely saved by the urgent organization of forest plantations and crossing from plowing to cultivation ...
                      He also did a lot of things ... if only the West did not convey to the Soviet People the Truth about the causes of Stalin's death and the role of Khrushch in it.

                      So, knowing the reasons, the nature and the course of things, our whole history plays in ALL different colors.
                    15. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 14 November 2020 11: 37
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      He did not die - he was killed. It was a conspiracy of Trotskyists from his entourage, and the frightened conformists who joined them

                      It is quite possible, but what follows from this? And the same fact follows - everything was kept on it.
                    16. bayard
                      bayard 14 November 2020 12: 12
                      +1
                      And without him - the USSR held on to the legacy of his for several decades. And the Soviet Union died (perished), too, not by his own death, but by the purposeful work of the enemy - external and internal.
                      And post-Soviet Russia too - lives on by its legacy.
                      And even the current "Khrushchevs" and "Trotsky" splashes on him with the foam of hatred ... use his legacy, destroy it, abolishing the last social guarantees to the population ... And even conducting the Victory Parade ... it was His Victory.
                    17. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 14 November 2020 14: 29
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      And without him - the USSR kept on the legacy of his for several decades

                      And fell apart. The rest is lyrics.
                    18. bayard
                      bayard 14 November 2020 19: 41
                      +1
                      - The man died.
                      - The man was killed.
                      Natural and violent death - what's the difference, the main thing is in the coffin. The rest is lyrics.
                      Once he died, "he was a worthless man," otherwise he would have lived and was "crazy."
                      Here they killed an academician and an honored person - in your opinion, since they killed him, it means "it was not worth a dime," since he is dead. what
                      But a homeless person and an alcoholic is a living one !!! To him there must be both "glory" and "hosanna", for he is alive.

                      But you still look around ... There is, after all, one more State according to its patterns, tailored, built and living to this day, glorifying Him, honoring Him along with its own leader, who called himself nothing less than a disciple and "successor" of Stalin ...
                      This is China!
                      How do you like this state?
                      Success, pace of development, influence in the world, attractiveness of an example?
                      But the USSR was developing at a much higher pace, and in much harsher conditions. And the USSR reached at its peak WHERE greater influence and importance in the world. A third of the world's states took an example from the USSR in their development. She took it successfully.
                      And the technical achievements of the USSR were much (!!!) higher. China has not yet jumped to them.
                      Do you really think that China is a bad example?
                      But in the US they think quite differently.
                      And about the USSR, their opinion is different from yours.
                      They just understood that they had lost both the Cold War and economic competition, and in terms of the attractiveness of the example for the peoples of the world.
                      And they won only by betraying our elites and by Hollywood.
                    19. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 14 November 2020 20: 08
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      The man died.
                      - The man was killed

                      I'm not talking about a person, but about a state that turned out to be unviable.
                      Quote: bayard
                      This is China!
                      How do you like this state?
                      Success, pace of development, influence in the world, attractiveness of an example?

                      Read about the number of Chinese billionaires. There is no communism / socialism in China, but there is capitalism.
                    20. bayard
                      bayard 15 November 2020 03: 11
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      bayard
                      The man died.
                      - The man was killed

                      I'm not talking about a person, but about a state that turned out to be unviable.

                      So I am about the state on the example of a person.
                      If the state dies from a complex of internal problems - this is one thing, but when a successfully developing and strong state dies from a complex of destructive influences from the outside and the sabotage of saboteurs and agents of influence (traitors to the Motherland), this is quite another.
                      Economically, the USSR was strong and healthy, the problems of the late 80s were artificial (sabotage and subversion + a conspiracy to collapse in oil prices ... and we also got the oil needle thanks to a conspiracy of traitors and conformists), food warehouses and bases were bursting with goods, but did not hit the shelves. I remember the reports from the dumps near Moscow where smoked sausage (a Soviet delicacy) was transported in trucks.
                      When a healthy person is killed and they say that he was terminally ill, this is the same thing that you are saying now.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Read about the number of Chinese billionaires. There is no communism / socialism in China, but there is capitalism.

                      And under Stalin there were enough rich people.
                      Not oligarchs, but rather successful entrepreneurs, cooperators, artists, academicians. If Stalin had lived for another 10 years, or had he had time to clear the government of the conspirators, and we would have it that way.
                      Here is an example - at the end of the 40s, two design cooperatives were created, headed by Mile and Kamov. In modern language they could be called "joint stock companies". They worked both on a state contract and on an initiative basis for loans from the State Bank.
                      What do you think, if Khrushch had not liquidated such and similar cooperatives (and there were a great many of them, they produced televisions, radios, furniture, shoes, clothes, food, scientific and technical developments ... cooperative restaurants, canteens and cafes ... ), would Mil, Kamov and their shareholders (by KB) become millionaires?
                      Stalin did not try to build a "rich state with a poor people" like Khrushchev, Stalin was building a Prosperous State for a Happy People, a State of Plenty and Equal Opportunity.
                      Therefore, if the policy of the state would continue in the same direction, then rich people would appear in abundance. But without the oligarchs (not to be confused with rich and successful citizens).
                      China has retained the main principles of a successful welfare state - a planned economy, social security, social elevators and a solidary society.
                      And they say directly that they studied and are learning from the works of Stalin and the examples of the Stalinist USSR.
                    21. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 15 November 2020 06: 45
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      If the state dies from a complex of internal problems - this is one thing, but when a successfully developing and strong state dies from a complex of destructive influences from the outside and the sabotage of saboteurs and agents of influence (traitors to the Motherland), this is quite another

                      If all the political, military and intelligence elites of the country turn out to be traitors, then this is precisely an internal problem.
                      Quote: bayard
                      And under Stalin there were enough rich people.
                      Not oligarchs, but rather successful entrepreneurs, cooperators, artists, academicians

                      Alas, in China there are oligarchs and capitalism.
                    22. bayard
                      bayard 16 November 2020 00: 51
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Alas, in China it is oligarchs and capitalism

                      Oligarchy is a COLLECTION OF BIG CAPITAL and AUTHORITIES.
                      China is ruled by the Communist Party and its government, and China's meeliarders bear a social burden - they spend (on their own initiative and on the "recommendation" of party bodies) huge amounts of money on social projects, thanks to the state and society, which allowed them to rise so materially and financially. welfare.
                      And those millionaires / billionaires who are trying to buy officials and influence the government ... are regularly shot.
                      Often in public.
                      And the courts are held without delay.
                      This approach keeps the society in good shape and physically eliminates oversized elements.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      If all the political, military and intelligence elites of the country turn out to be traitors, then this is precisely an internal problem.

                      Not all . Not all of them. But the process went on for a long time, it was prepared carefully and was played from notes.
                      An organized minority always prevails over a disorganized majority. The disorganization of society and the organization of the conspirators proceeded in parallel.
                      And about healthy forces ... a criminal case was initiated against Gorbachev (when he headed the regional committee of the party) on corruption and drug trafficking (one of the key figures in this traffic) from Afghanistan to Europe and beyond. The same cases were opened against two more first secretaries of the regional committees. But when the entire evidence base was collected and there was only arrest and trial ... Andropov saved Gorbachev, transferring him to work in the Central Committee, and the investigation could not be conducted against the members of the Central Committee of the KGB ... The case was closed by order of Andropov.
                      And in general, all the "heroes" and authors of Perestroika were raised and elevated to power by Andropov, the gray cardinal under Brezhnev. It was under him that the KGB began to control everything in the state, including the economy and personnel policy. It was on his misinformation that the decision was made to eliminate Amin and send troops to Afghanistan. Under his supervision, the nationalist underground was nurtured in the union republics (the Baltic States, Transcaucasia, Ukraine, etc.). It was a long conspiracy. And the conspirators were a POISON in the body of the state.
                      Poisoning is still a murder, not death from one's own illness. The poisoning was gradual.
                      And then just killing a weakened and disorganized organism.

                      And socialism is still a much more progressive, harmonious and just organization of society and the state.
                      And in Russia now there is degradation associated with the transition from wild capitalism to feudalism - oligarchic capitalism, and even under external control.

                      The killing of a healthy and successful person by lepers is not "natural selection", it is murder.
                      A crime .
                    23. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 16 November 2020 19: 41
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      Oligarchy is a COLLECTION OF BIG CAPITAL and AUTHORITIES.

                      That always happens. Big business inevitably merges with power.
                      Quote: bayard
                      An organized minority always prevails over a disorganized majority. The disorganization of society and the organization of the conspirators proceeded in parallel.

                      But this minority turned out to be the entire state structure of the USSR.
                    24. bayard
                      bayard 17 November 2020 00: 09
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      But this minority turned out to be the entire state structure of the USSR.

                      Not all. Many state and party leaders at various levels were left behind immediately after the coup. Some more, who did not participate in the conspiracy initially, after that joined the processes of privatization (robbery of state property), that is, they became (and apparently was before) the very same comfort-mates - careerists, settling in according to circumstances.
                    25. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 17 November 2020 19: 23
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      Not all. Many state and party leaders at various levels were left behind immediately after the coup. Some more that did not participate in the conspiracy initially

                      That is, no one involved them in the conspiracy, because they were simply not needed, but in fact they were ready to participate. Q.E.D.
                    26. bayard
                      bayard 17 November 2020 20: 50
                      0
                      These are always ready for anything - "hesitated along with the party line."
                    27. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 17 November 2020 20: 55
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      These are always ready for anything

                      Which brings you back to where you started
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      It is quite possible, but what follows from this? And the same fact follows - everything was kept on it.
                    28. bayard
                      bayard 17 November 2020 21: 20
                      0
                      It could not hold on to one thing, but "the role of the individual in history" in this example is shown especially in contrast and expressiveness.
                      Stalin was a GENIUS.
                      This is the opinion of all the outstanding minds who have met him. Anyone next to him would look like a pygmy ... Especially Khrushch.
                      No matter how puffed up.
                      * There was the Stalinist Guard.
                      * There were traitors, Trotskyists, disguised as "guards".
                      * There were conformist opportunists who are always looking for a warm place and are ready to cooperate with any government.
                      The Stalinist Guard suffered greatly during the war - many died.
                      But cowards, traitors and opportunists sat in the rear and survived.
                      When Stalin temporarily retired (due to illness - a heart attack), the Trotskyists (who called themselves "old Bolsheviks") began to divide the Stalinist legacy. They even decided the question of dividing the Union into their own destinies. For 2 years, we carried out OWN personnel policy, putting our people in all key positions. So the head of Stalin's personal guard, General Vlasik, was slandered and dismissed from office. A man who suited the conspirators was appointed in his place.
                      And so it was everywhere for almost 2 years.
                      When Stalin found out about what was happening, he returned to work and began to eliminate the consequences of these figures. He prepared a draft state reform with the removal of the Party from the levers of state power, leaving it with ideology and training. Introduced into the Central Committee many new young people from his own - the Stalin Guard ... But he did not have time ...
                      Such people will be born once in an era (at least once in a century), but the State that he built is not the fruit of the thought and work of one person. And not a completely new project taken from the ceiling. This is an example of the synthesis of all the best experience in social state structure in the entire known history of mankind. And according to the model before the parasitic device of states.
                    29. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 18 November 2020 19: 37
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      Such people will be born once in an era (at least once in a century), but the State that he built is not the fruit of the thought and work of one person. And not a completely new project taken from the ceiling. This is an example of the synthesis of all the best experience in social state structure in the entire known history of mankind

                      Well, where is it?
  • Stas157
    Stas157 10 November 2020 07: 36
    +4
    Quote: Dart2027
    demographic problems in all
    developed and prosperous countries

    Why lie?

    Firstly, Russia does not belong to developed, and even more so to prosperous countries (if you do not agree, please provide proofs).

    Secondly, at the expense of the developed and prosperous, in the USA, Australia, Norway, even in France, they are giving birth to themselves. And even more so in the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia.

    Fertility problems in Western Europe are of a completely different nature from Russia. If in Russia this problem is directly related to the well-being of citizens' lives, then in liberal Europe - with the way of life and liberal views. I described the difference in detail in my other comments.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 10 November 2020 19: 26
      -1
      Quote: Stas157
      Why lie?

      Are you talking to yourself?
      Quote: Stas157
      in the USA, Australia, Norway, even in France - they give birth to themselves

      The question is how much and who.
      Quote: Stas157
      Fertility problems in Western European countries have a completely different character from Russia.

      Of course, otherwise you will have to admit that this is not the case.
  • bayard
    bayard 10 November 2020 04: 41
    +6
    Quote: Stas157
    He did it for himself and his friends with interest!

    There, such work is in full swing, not to the smallest detail with the birth rate. Siluanov alone stole almost 4,5 trillion rubles in this incomplete year fellow ... Modestly so repeat ... And I could not report - from the National Welfare Fund.
    How many trillions did Solntseliky order to look for the economy from its knees and "the great breakthrough"? So, half of this amount Siluanov has already stolen. yes
    When is it here to take care of the birth rate, about the preservation of the gene pool?
    So this is only one finance minister ...
    And we have such ministers bully , well, just heaps!
    And everyone cares about him - about the People.
    All brains were broken for the benefit of him. yes
    For the Good for yourself and your children.
    The population declined again, almost like in the blessed 90s.
    ... But the migration of new "Russians" softens the statistics.
  • credo
    credo 9 November 2020 17: 15
    -17 qualifying.
    Quote: lexus
    Compare profit in large n.p. with a decline in all others try.
    Do not forget to subtract only "foreign bodies" for objectivity. yes

    When giving advice, try to answer them yourself and isolate those whom you call "foreign bodies". Therefore, before agreeing with the Accounts Chamber, it is better to tell how they carried out the count.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 9 November 2020 17: 48
      11
      Long ago answered. I have no reason not to believe my own eyes.
  • frog
    frog 9 November 2020 19: 02
    10
    Foreign bodies cannot be subtracted. They correct the statistics ... True, then some kind of garbage turns out, like, say, the French, but that later ...
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 51
      15
      Quote: frog
      then some kind of garbage turns out, like, say, the French, but that later

      That's right, what's next. For them, the authorities, the main thing is now, and then a flood for them. Then let the others figure it out.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 9 November 2020 18: 21
    21
    Quote: credo
    and large industrial and scientific cities are growing.

    shopping centers are growing and not industrial with scientific ... Is there much more scientists in Moscow? although it has grown to as much as 13,5 million inhabitants from 5 from the time of the USSR?
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 52
      16
      Quote: aybolyt678
      shopping centers are growing and not industrial with scientific

      In our country, the government instills the cult of consumerism, not creation.
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Are there many more scientists in Moscow?

      Judging by the fact that each program has different doctors and candidates of sciences, it seems that the number has increased, but the quality leaves much to be desired.
    2. Gene84
      Gene84 13 November 2020 16: 56
      18
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Are there many more scientists in Moscow?

      I do not know how many or few scientists have become, I only know that there is little sense from our scientists. We are inferior to the West and the East in all scientific fields.
  • alekSASHKA-36
    alekSASHKA-36 13 November 2020 16: 07
    0
    Someone specifically minus you!
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 9 November 2020 17: 07
    23
    Now the concept of "hinterland" has expanded a lot. 30 km. from the regional center - a suburb, and further - a hinterland, with all the charms of the Russian Empire of the 19th century ...
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 9 November 2020 17: 12
      +7
      Yes that's right.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 November 2020 17: 21
      -39 qualifying.
      "With all the charms of the Russian Empire of the 19th century." Well, yes, with machines, tractors, the Internet, factories, power plants, and everything else. Straight Poor and Hunger.
      1. astepanov
        astepanov 9 November 2020 17: 54
        27
        Quote: Vadim237
        Straight Poor and Hunger.

        Do not be mischievous. Here is a completely typical example for you: my son, ai-tishnik, seems to be making good money: 70 thousand. Why not have a second child? But because you need to live somewhere, they took an apartment with my wife on a mortgage, and even at a preferential interest. This means that within 20 years he will give the bank 30 thousand a month, and after the payment of the communal flat remains for three 35 thousand a month. What a second, let alone third child! It was in the "damned scoop" that young people had real prospects, including not getting free housing. And now she only has a declarative "concern of the state" and fairy tales that something is being done. In reality, it seems that all the state’s concerns about the departments of Gref and Nabiullina are at our expense.
        Of course, young people also have some prospects for improving housing, but they are connected with the fact that my wife and I will glue flippers together, and the children will share the hut. But what does the state have to do with it?
        Look for such predatory mortgage programs like ours in the world. They show all the "concern of the state" about demography.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 10 November 2020 08: 00
          +6
          Quote: astepanov
          Such predatory mortgage programs, as we do, in the world to search. They show all the "concern of the state" about demography.

          Last month I took out a mortgage from Sberbank under 7,9% pa... And this is for a new building. He took the truth not directly from the developer, but already purchased. With add. payments and insurance mortgage for the first year (I take it for a year) came out altogether 9% pa.

          Where is Putin's declared 6% ?? It certainly didn't affect me! But even 6% is a lot by world standards.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 10 November 2020 10: 00
            +4
            Quote: Stas157
            With add. payments and insurance mortgages for the first year (I take it for a year) came out in general 9% per annum.

            Lucky, I have 10,5%, despite the fact that we are considered a large family. This does not include insurance. request
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 10 November 2020 10: 34
              +2
              hi Happiness just "full pants" from the conditions of the bonded mortgage! I would never have taken it. A profitable option with an apartment just got caught.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 9 November 2020 18: 22
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        "With all the charms of the Russian Empire of the 19th century." Well, yes, with machines tractors on the Internet

        maybe the level of own production is meant?
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 9 November 2020 19: 08
    +7
    ..... dashing 90s .....
    one might think that these years, such as a natural disaster, were unexpected. This is a deliberate, planned action so that they could not "fit into the market", so that stress, illness, the collapse of the ruble, loss of earnings, unemployment would quickly reduce the population.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 10 November 2020 01: 01
      +5
      In the understanding of the temporary workers, the population that does not work in the mining sector and does not serve the "barchuks" is a "non-core asset" subject to "optimization".
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 10 November 2020 11: 39
        +2
        Quote: lexus
        In the understanding of the temporary workers, the population that does not work in the mining sector and does not serve the "barchuks" is a "non-core asset" subject to "optimization".

        I must say, they optimized it very cleverly, and I often think about the number of young guys who obtained funds illegally in the 90s. If we had socialism, we would have become members of the Komsomol, maybe we would have gone to some construction site, to the North, the Far East. We would have been alive, but not perished in a criminal showdown. And this cannot be accidental.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 10 November 2020 16: 05
          +3
          Of course not. It is easier for a country frightened by "spontaneous" banditry
          "twirl the" bandits "in the law." And there are no witnesses to their "legalization".
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 10 November 2020 16: 11
            +2
            I remember some words were about avoiding splicing. And then everything had already grown together.
            Quote: lexus
            Of course not. It is easier for a country frightened by "spontaneous" banditry
            "twirl the" bandits "in the law." And there are no witnesses to their "legalization".
  • Cosm22
    Cosm22 9 November 2020 18: 40
    +5
    But if it has arrived somewhere, then has it gone somewhere?
    How does this change the picture in Russia as a whole?
  • basmach
    basmach 10 November 2020 09: 00
    +4
    And you don't need to count your mind. Arithmetic for the first class. There are registry offices. Births and deaths are registered there. Subtract one from the other. Add up the immigration data. Well this is the state accounting. And here's the result.
    1. Gene84
      Gene84 13 November 2020 16: 57
      17
      Quote: basmach
      There are registry offices.

      I personally doubt the possibilities of the registry offices. If everything were so simple, there would be no need to conduct a population census at all.
  • Vladimir Vladimirovich S
    Vladimir Vladimirovich S 9 November 2020 16: 24
    +1
    Probably like Rosstat ...
  • 210ox
    210ox 9 November 2020 17: 29
    12
    The birth rate exceeds the death rate only in the republics of the North Caucasus. Even in prosperous regions, the birth rate is equal to the death rate, and in the ditched (Smolensk, Pskov, Tverskaya, etc.) I don’t want to talk.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 9 November 2020 17: 32
    +4
    Quote: credo
    How did they count

    Maybe they just asked for the data in the registry office? How many deaths were recorded, how many babies and compared?
  • nnm
    nnm 9 November 2020 17: 40
    -12 qualifying.
    Until economic and social problems are resolved, population decline will remain steadily high and progressive

    Absolutely untrue statement. And in Germany, and in Japan, and even in China, the birth rate per woman is higher in Russia. So the question is no longer in the economy, but first of all, in the minds of people.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 10 November 2020 01: 33
      +4
      Quote: nnm
      the question is no longer in the economy

      And in the redistribution of benefits. "Developed" countries do not guarantee a wonderful carefree life, when everyone has huge houses and a lot of free time to raise children. In "developed" countries, the average citizen is forced to work hard from morning to evening so that his employer's wallet steadily grows fat (economic growth, in fact, looks like this). If the worker's nominal income (in absolute terms) grows, then his necessary expenses grow in proportion to him. Housing, medicine, education of children and so on and so forth are becoming more expensive. As a result, the income figures look good, but in fact there are so many compulsory expenses left that you will not go around too much.
      In the same states, there is no such "wildness" as parental leave. Rather, there is a vacation, but it lasts at the discretion of the employer for a maximum of a month / another. Gave birth, got well? Get up to the bench. And this despite the fact that there are simply no free (or conditionally free) preschool institutions. Thus, you need to hire a nanny and incur significant costs in this regard.
      Mortgage. Have you noticed how cleverly the cost of the apartments themselves grows at times of lower mortgage rates? The market, so its rastak. In the states (as an example) mortgage interest rates are much lower. But the cost of housing (and housing should be in a decent area if you want your children to go to a decent school and get at least some chance for the future) is simply off scale. As a result, mortgage payments, despite the low interest rate, still eat up a significant part of your income. Add to this the cost of medical insurance for the whole family (no free medicine), the cost of nannies / kindergartens and education for children (there are no state kindergartens and free education) and you will understand that having a child in the west is now not an affordable luxury for everyone. Well, if you are not ready to live with the whole family on unemployment benefits in a poor area with no prospects for your children.
      In Japan, for example, the housing situation is even more acute, for obvious reasons.
      It is interesting to compare the image of the American family from the films of the 70s, 80s and films of our time. Then the classic American family lived in a big house, had at least 3 children, had several cars and worked with this one dad, mom was busy with the house and family. Today - both spouses work hard, live in a small apartment in the city, both are well over 30, and they are not yet ready to financially have their first child. And this despite the fact that a modern person, taking into account the improvement of production methods and technologies, produces much more than a person from the 80s. Why then did a person get more real benefits? It's simple. Previously, he was given a larger share of his output. On the other side of the planet was the USSR, a socialist state with which it was necessary to compete in the standard of living of its citizens. Now the American (and ours) capitalists no longer have such a danger and they can milk a person to the fullest. Don't you want to? Are you dying out? No question, we will bring migrants to your place!

      It's pretty simple.
  • Chervonny
    Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 50
    15
    Quote: credo
    I have doubts about the accuracy of the information provided by the Accounts Chamber.

    In vain. In my opinion, the reliability of this information is beyond doubt.
    Quote: credo
    whether the existing migration of the indigenous population within the country was taken into account, as well as other factors

    I am sure that yes.
  • Hypertension
    Hypertension 9 November 2020 16: 01
    24
    Quote: Doccor18
    The authorities are trying to solve this problem ...

    Really..??

    Trying, yeah ...
  • Svarog
    Svarog 9 November 2020 16: 10
    23
    Quote: Doccor18
    The authorities are trying to solve this problem ...

    Really..??

    Only it is not clear what kind of problem the authorities have ... that the people who did not fit into the market a lot in their opinion ... if they really consider the extinction of Russian citizens a problem and have not solved it in 30 years of capitalism, then it means a problem for them this is not essential ..
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 9 November 2020 16: 41
      14
      Treating as "human oil". Therefore, it makes no difference - white or black.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 9 November 2020 16: 58
        34
        It's just that people do not see any prospects ahead .. The further - the worse under a wise rule. And there is no edge to this. If during the Soviet Union everyone clearly knew that our children would live better than us, and even our grandchildren would fly to Alpha Centauri, now there is only hopelessness, poverty and despondency. The bourgeois eat in three gulps as if not into themselves, and there is no one who would give them a shortcut. Well - and what are the incentives to breed in such situations?
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 9 November 2020 17: 54
          +6
          Paul hi,
          to temporary workers "in power" from the word "wise" only the first three letters are applicable.
        2. Muddy Seeing ORACLE
          Muddy Seeing ORACLE 9 November 2020 18: 15
          -16 qualifying.
          And what prospects suit you, will it not bend under Western values ​​...
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 9 November 2020 18: 18
            18
            What prospects suit you
            The return of socialism. And just that. Capitalism has already shown very clearly what it is.
            1. Chervonny
              Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 54
              16
              Quote: paul3390
              Capitalism has already shown very clearly what it is

              And more than once will show its true face in the near future.
          2. Chervonny
            Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 53
            16
            Quote: Muddy-Seeing ORACLE
            And what prospects suit you, will it not bend under Western values ​​...

            Why are you not satisfied with the same Soviet values?
            1. Muddy Seeing ORACLE
              Muddy Seeing ORACLE 13 November 2020 19: 56
              +1
              So I'm not against Soviet values, they were more humane and more promising than the foreign trash that came to us along with rotten McDonald's and torn denim rags ...
        3. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 9 November 2020 18: 27
          18
          Quote: paul3390
          It's just that people don't see any prospects ahead ..

          as Indian gurus teach, Happiness is a sense of perspective ... No perspective - no happiness means life becomes meaningless. The happiness of consumption is false happiness. It's for livestock. Our people are not yet him.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 10 November 2020 01: 12
            +7
            Colleague hi ,
            Indian gurus and you are damn right. This is precisely why the "state" that does not create anything, but only the consuming one, is more and more clearly acquiring the features of a mad man-eating beast.
          2. Chervonny
            Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 54
            17
            Quote: aybolyt678
            The happiness of consumption is false happiness. It's for livestock. Our people are not yet him.

            But our home-grown non-bourgeois are trying to make it so.
        4. Chervonny
          Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 53
          17
          Quote: paul3390
          It's just that people don't see any prospects ahead.

          Correctly. What prospects can people have under the current government. The power that instills the cult of consumerism.
        5. Gene84
          Gene84 13 November 2020 16: 58
          20
          Quote: paul3390
          now - one hopelessness, poverty and despondency.

          Capitalism however. Therefore, our non-bourgeois and propagandize among the youth myths about the "scoop" in which there was nothing.
  • Lexus
    Lexus 9 November 2020 16: 37
    14
    Yeah ... making it easier for foreigners to enter and acquire citizenship. what
  • polar fox
    polar fox 9 November 2020 16: 40
    12
    Quote: Doccor18
    Really..??

    judging by the results, the problem is being solved well, the population is dying!
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 55
      16
      Quote: polar fox
      judging by the results, the problem is being solved well, the population is dying!

      The feeling that everything that happens is happening on purpose, to achieve the goals of our enemies, namely the degeneration of the people of Russia.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 9 November 2020 16: 41
    20
    The people do not have confidence in the future, hence they live with the thought “why plow poverty?” In Soviet times, the country lived, grew and multiplied, large families of up to 9 children were almost in the order of things! How many people knew in the yards, there were no less than 3 children in families! The state has abandoned itself from solving ALL problems, to imitate work there are governors and mayors who also need imitation of work for show, and not the execution of decrees from above! No economy, no tomorrow, no fertility! Now, when the first two points - the economy and confidence in the future - become the priority of all branches of government totally, then there will be no problems with the birth rate in the country!
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 9 November 2020 18: 32
      +4
      Quote: Thrifty
      Now, when the first two points - the economy and confidence in the future - become the priority of all branches of government totally, then there will be no problems with the birth rate in the country!

      2000 years ago, over the doors of the Roman Senate there was an inscription - "salex populy suprema lex" (the happiness of the people is the highest law). There is no concept of Happiness in our Constitution. The most depressing thing is that there is no concept of Social Justice. In the preamble to the Constitution there is, but in legal terms it is not. That's when Social Justice becomes a priority, then the economy and confidence in the future will automatically appear.
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 9 November 2020 22: 04
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: Thrifty
      The people do not have confidence in the future, hence they live with the thought "why bother with poverty

      Perhaps the people in Nigeria have more confidence? laughing
      1. mole
        mole 9 November 2020 22: 51
        +5
        Quote: Hagen
        Quote: Thrifty
        The people do not have confidence in the future, hence they live with the thought "why bother with poverty

        Perhaps the people in Nigeria have more confidence? laughing

        Are you proposing to equalize with Nigeria?
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 10 November 2020 05: 50
          -5
          Quote: Mole
          Are you proposing to equalize with Nigeria?

          But there is population growth. And this is with their economy ... On what basis do you connect the birth rate directly with the economy? I could cite a couple of dozen more countries as an example, where poverty of the population coexists with an increase in its number. You can see it yourself. Info to ... and more. I mean, many factors influence the growth of the population, and the economy, the standard of living of the population may not even play the first role. There is also the prevailing opinion today in Europe and across Russia that children restrict the freedom of creative development of parents who are in the most active age. And the more consumer sentiment grows, the less they will strive to reproduce their own kind. Children, regardless of income, attract significant attention and create difficulties for their parents. This is the nature of this process. And we are becoming more and more infantile and less capable of self-restraint, not only in material terms, but also in terms of changing the center of attention, I would say. The easiest thing in this case is to look for enemies on the side, guilty of all their problems. In fact, the problem is multifaceted, and our personal role in solving it is no less than the role of the president and government. what So yes. In some issues, and Nigeria can be compared ... And you hate it? Do you think they are the same people as you do not think?
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 10 November 2020 08: 33
            +5
            Quote: Hagen
            So yes. In some matters and Nigeria can be compared..

            Do you want to compare with the USA? But people there give birth not like today's Russia!

            If you persistently want to compare Russia with low examples - let's go. In the animal (cave) world, from which Nigeria has not gone far, no money is needed at all. Neither rent, nor clothing (compared to the north), nor education. The house is a clay hut, mind you, of any size! And it will accommodate everyone. Food is pasture and whatever you catch in the ocean. Everything is free. So why shouldn't they give birth? They are not linked by mortgages for 20 years.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 10 November 2020 09: 28
              -7
              Quote: Stas157
              Do you want to compare with the USA?

              It is also possible with the USA. Just keep in mind that their forecast for the near future states the imminent excess of the colored population over the white. Doesn't he say anything? And there is also a large volume of migrants coming and settling, which also affects the total population. There they themselves cannot figure out whose contribution to population growth is more significant - blacks or Latinos, but definitely not whites. And if you don't like Nigeria, take our North Caucasian regions. In terms of income, it is not Moscow at all, but more MOs are growing in terms of population, although they live in the same legal field. But their internal attitude to the family is seriously different from Ryazan, for example. For some reason, there are no orphanages. Don't know why? It's just that you are accustomed to measuring everything with "grandmothers", and looking for Putin's trail in all your troubles. And life is somewhat more complicated, and there is always a place for your (my) personal responsibility for all the pros and cons of your own life.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 10 November 2020 10: 48
                +2
                Quote: Hagen
                their forecast for the near future states quick excess colored population over white

                Well, here Russia is in trend. The indigenous population, especially Russian, is decreasing the most and is gradually being replaced by migrants. So I don't see any difference!
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 10 November 2020 11: 06
                  -3
                  Quote: Stas157
                  So I don't see any difference!

                  What is the difference you see? Is it that the white population of the Earth is decreasing under all the powers? Yes, this is correct. Only then answer, where is the role of Putin, Trump and all the other leaders of different views on life? And then I see the minuses, but there are no arguments ... And the second, somehow, is more interesting than the first ... wink
    3. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 55
      15
      Quote: Thrifty
      when the first two points - the economy and confidence in the future - become the priority of all branches of government totally, then there will be no problems with the birth rate in the country!

      Under the bourgeois-oligarchic regime, this will never happen.
  • tech3030
    tech3030 9 November 2020 17: 24
    +9
    They think how to get migrants without big problems.
  • the Saint
    the Saint 9 November 2020 17: 36
    +9
    Quote: Doccor18
    The authorities are trying to solve this problem ...

    Really..??

    Yes! The creation of Russian UAVs and unmanned Poseidons is the government's response to the threat of extinction of the Russian population. Next in line are tanks without tankers, self-propelled ships without sailors and automatic murderous batons without the National Guards.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 9 November 2020 20: 22
    -1
    Quote: Doccor18
    The authorities are trying to solve this problem ...

    Really..??

    We would start with an elementary ban on abortion, a ban on the sale of contraceptives, and the restoration of the institution of family and marriage, as one of the main pillars of statehood. And only then raising the standard of living, salaries, and so on ... but would not allow the banks to rob people in a brazen and legal way.
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 9 November 2020 23: 22
      -8
      Oh, those former serf commies and White Guards, they should be prohibited and prohibited from everything. The words "freedom" and "constitution" are still empty words for the bulk of the people. There will be no happiness for Russians until people like you take a break.
  • iouris
    iouris 9 November 2020 21: 45
    -2
    Quote: Doccor18
    The authorities are trying to solve this problem ...

    Have you tried it with dust?
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 59
      15
      Quote: iouris
      Quote: Doccor18
      The authorities are trying to solve this problem ...

      Have you tried it with dust?

      Whatever they have tried, nothing helps ...
      Is it just that they are trying to solve the problem? No people, no problem ...
  • smart ass
    smart ass 10 November 2020 11: 53
    +1
    Population decline ?! Coronovirus is not necessary)))
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 59
      15
      Quote: Clever man
      Coronovirus is not necessary)))

      Of course nothing to do with. We are not sickly dying out without him ...
  • Arlen
    Arlen 11 November 2020 02: 57
    +7
    Quote: Doccor18
    The authorities are trying to solve this problem ...

    Really..??

    Seriously, they only do a talking shop.
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 59
      11
      Quote: Arlen
      Seriously, they only do a talking shop.

      In my opinion, they only pretend to be serious, but in their hearts they laugh at us.
  • Chervonny
    Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 49
    15
    Quote: Doccor18
    The authorities are trying to solve this problem ...

    Really..??

    The authorities are serious about trying to solve the problem with demography. But the result, as we see it, is negative. The authorities cannot and do not want to solve it (the problem).
  • Gene84
    Gene84 13 November 2020 16: 55
    19
    Quote: Doccor18
    The authorities are trying to solve this problem ...

    Really..??

    No, they joke like that laughing wink
  • BAI
    BAI 9 November 2020 15: 53
    18
    Due to the situation with the coronavirus pandemic has been limited entry to Russia of foreign labor migrants, in turn, many migrants who worked in our country, together with their families began to leave home.

    What relation to the population of Russia have non-citizens of Russia? Do local women make children?
    1. forest1
      forest1 9 November 2020 15: 59
      -22 qualifying.
      Non-citizens are also a population. They are involved in economic life. They often take on labor functions that the locals do not want to perform. Forge GDP, etc.
      1. Ragnarok
        Ragnarok 9 November 2020 22: 37
        -2
        They are ready to hunchback for two spits, and someone who, but not a simple Russian, benefits from the need to prove to the employer every day that he is more profitable for him than someone from the outside.
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 9 November 2020 16: 45
      +7
      They visually supported the crowded effect.
      1. Aag
        Aag 9 November 2020 19: 46
        +2
        Quote: lexus
        They visually supported the crowded effect.

        So much so that in the MFC, Social Security, schools you already start to doubt who is a newcomer ...
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 10 November 2020 01: 22
          +2
          Alexander hi ,
          Giving bribes is a common thing for them, because they are welcome clients in all government agencies.
          1. Aag
            Aag 10 November 2020 05: 40
            +1
            Quote: lexus
            Alexander hi ,
            Giving bribes is a common thing for them, because they are welcome clients in all government agencies.

            Well, this is already a consequence of the ongoing migration, and indeed, policy ... hi
    3. Free wind
      Free wind 9 November 2020 18: 02
      +5
      Well, many non-citizens become citizens after 3-5 years of residence. And there are quite a few of these Jamshuts.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 10 November 2020 01: 25
        +2
        Alexander hi,
        this is one of the ways to "correct" the frankly "fake" statistics for the "better" side.
  • lucul
    lucul 9 November 2020 16: 00
    14
    Cultural factors in the growth of population decline include the fashion for a single and consumer lifestyle

    The propagandized egoism of a woman ("you deserve it" (a beautiful life)) is the main reason for the low birth rate. Everyone wants to "live for themselves" while young, but children, children like something later.
    The economic factor also makes its contribution - the high cost of maintaining a child, the same clothes, kindergarten, school, everything costs far from a penny, and capitalism has not led to low prices in this area.
    So far, we are following the course of population reduction - as required by global capital.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 9 November 2020 18: 38
      +5
      Quote: lucul
      The propagandized egoism of a woman ("you deserve it" (a beautiful life)) is the main reason for the low birth rate.

      Why offend women? Advertising serves as the mouthpiece of state ideology in our country. Promotion of consumption as a way of life in any video. Buy now, pay later, buy and there will be happiness, buy without thinking ... each video promotes not a product but a way of life and thoughts ..... the worst thing is that young children like to watch ads instead of fairy tales, it reminds them of stories with a happy ending. .Advertising is an ideological virus.
      1. lucul
        lucul 9 November 2020 18: 45
        +1
        Why offend women? Advertising serves as the mouthpiece of state ideology in our country.

        Is it government advertising, or advertising of liberal foreign multinational corporations? )))
        Promotion of consumption as a way of life in any video. Buy now, pay later, buy and there will be happiness, buy without thinking ... each video promotes not a product, but a way of life and thoughts ...

        This is all the foundation of Western liberal values. And in its foundation lies the loan interest, because everything was built on credit.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 9 November 2020 18: 48
          +3
          Quote: lucul
          This is a government advertisement

          it is a state miscalculation, or the absence of any state participation in the life of the country, education of people, control over the spiritual values ​​of the average person.
          1. lucul
            lucul 9 November 2020 18: 52
            +1
            it is a state miscalculation, or the absence of any state participation in the life of the country, education of people, control over the spiritual values ​​of the average person.

            Well, they believed in the "invisible hand" of the market))))
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 9 November 2020 18: 56
              +3
              Quote: lucul
              Well, they believed in the "invisible hand" of the market))))

              people studied capital badly. For check. We crossed a snake with a hedgehog, got a barbed wire. They wanted universal happiness in the presence of Capitalism.
      2. Aag
        Aag 9 November 2020 19: 48
        +2
        "... the worst thing is that young children like to watch ads instead of fairy tales, it reminds them of stories with a happy ending .. Advertising is an ideological virus."
        Clearly said! hi
  • Varyag71
    Varyag71 9 November 2020 16: 00
    +1
    And it is not without reason that such experts speak.
    https://www.ridus.ru/news/340332?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&nw=1604926809000
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 9 November 2020 16: 00
    +9
    There is nothing to comment. The entire article can be parsed into comments.
  • Woodman
    Woodman 9 November 2020 16: 01
    +4
    who have a third child are not entitled to anything, unless they are classified as low-income
    Well, not really anything .... If I'm not mistaken, families with an income of less than two living wages per person are considered to be low-income in this case. Provided that the mother goes on maternity leave and parental leave, this is probably almost any family where the father is not an oligarch or top manager (in the capitals it is probably a little different). And such families are entitled to 450 thousand to pay off the mortgage, plus 40% of the mother's earnings and 10 thousand monthly as child benefits. This is much better than the recent 50 rubles. Although less than we would like ...
    Cultural factors in the growth of population decline include the fashion for a single and consumer lifestyle.
    And here I completely agree. Another question is how to deal with this? It is unlikely that this problem can be solved only with money ...
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 9 November 2020 20: 31
      +1
      that is, for a family of 2 parents and 2 children .. income will be at least 12300 * 8 = 98400 rubles.
      So, let's say the wife had a salary of 25 trillion before the decree, which means there are 10 trillion rubles left per month (40%) and plus 10tr of benefits .. therefore the father must earn at least 78400 and another 450 trillion for the mortgage ...
      You know .. in such initial conditions, so as not to give birth to the third and not live ... really not bad ..

      The problem is one .. those men from the huge circle of my friends who receive in our region in the region of 80 tr. salary - no more than a dozen .. and yes .. they have 2-3 children ..
      Therefore, 10tr, of course, is much better than 50 rubles .. But for 90 percent of the population, the situation you described is, in fact, unattainable .. since there are no such massive salaries, in the region of 80 tr .. you will not find us right away and in the region of 40 tr .. and in small towns and 25-30 tr, it is considered very good .. about the village generally keep quiet ..
      As for solving the situation with money, I repeat, all my friends with high income have at least 2 children ..
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 10 November 2020 08: 03
        0
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        Therefore, 10tr, of course, is much better than 50 rubles .. But for 90 percent of the population, the situation you described is in fact unattainable ..

        What situation? It seems to me that you have misunderstood something. I wrote directly that the absolute majority of the population at the birth of their third child will receive 10tr as a child benefit, plus if there is an unredeemed mortgage, then the state will transfer 450 rubles to pay off the mortgage. Precisely because an income of two subsistence per person is in fact not achievable for this majority of the population.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 10 November 2020 09: 46
          -1
          I'm talking about a situation in which the overwhelming majority of the population does not have to be low-income and it will turn out to have an income, as I wrote and you said .. 2 living minimum per family member .. ie. become middle class, not poor ..
          those. it is good, and it is indisputable, to have 450 tr + 10 tr per month, but from this 90 percent will not leave the low-income zone, unfortunately. 70% of the population is poor. And this is precisely the reason for the lack of fertility in the first place ..
          And without this support, everything would be sad in general .. I'm not sure if more than 1 would have given birth, if this had not happened yet ..
          1. Woodman
            Woodman 10 November 2020 10: 22
            -2
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            since 70% of the population is poor. And this is precisely the reason for the lack of fertility in the first place ..

            Not sure. Poverty is just one of the reasons. Over the centuries, the population has grown at a rapid pace, regardless of wealth. Now it's just a different psychology. The availability of abortions, contraception, propaganda (we are still relatively unobtrusive, but it also affects) "family planning" ... Yes, the same possibility of various entertainments available almost round the clock and the absence of moral restrictions - all this cumulatively leads to a lack of fertility. To the desire to "live for yourself". And slogans like "to breed poverty" are just an attempt to justify their own unwillingness to raise a child. Well, let's say a happy time comes and the majority of the population will have these very living wages - it won't give anything. There will be families with two children at best. Because with such an income, it is already possible for the whole family to travel to resorts at least once a year, and another small child means abandoning the resort for at least several years, and again new slogans and excuses for their loved ones will be invented ... The same two children in the family it is even less than is necessary for the self-reproduction of the population ...
            Here, either changing the psychology of the population is relatively cheap, but for a long time, or somehow to carry out the dependence of income in the family on the number of children is relatively fast, but expensive (here, however, another problem will arise, but also solvable).
            This is how I see it ...
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 10 November 2020 10: 36
              0
              and you are right .. it seems to me the truth is somewhere in the middle .. although even if by 2, this is at least almost a stop in the decline of demographics .. (two parents gave two children) I think we are both right, and then, and that affects roughly equivalent ..
  • Diviz
    Diviz 9 November 2020 16: 02
    +2
    So it is said, we must prepare for the end of the world. Everything is sly and ends in the water.
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 14: 01
      15
      Quote: DiViZ
      So it is said, we must prepare for the end of the world. Everything is sly and ends in the water.

      laughing Religion, like today's propaganda of consumerism, is opium for the people. yes Especially for young people.
  • Invoce
    Invoce 9 November 2020 16: 02
    +8
    Well, who can say that the Government of the Russian Federation, GDP has nothing to do with it?
    This is the main indicator of their work, of officials hired by the people. Do not cope
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 9 November 2020 16: 14
      +7
      Quote: Invoce
      This is the main indicator of their work, of officials hired by the people. Do not cope

      If they were really hired by the people, they would have done it ..
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 9 November 2020 17: 02
        +7
        If someone asked the results from them up to the highest measure, and not frowned menacingly, then they would have coped with it.
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 9 November 2020 16: 47
      +4
      You encroach on the "sacred" and underestimate the "scraping". winked
    3. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 14: 01
      15
      Quote: Invoce
      Well, who can say that the Government of the Russian Federation, GDP has nothing to do with it?

      Boris 55. He can once again say that the Trotskyists are to blame for everything wassat
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 9 November 2020 16: 04
    +3
    When he got married, his mother-in-law gave the order:
    - What would you have at least two children! That the kind would not degenerate.
    Performed. Son and daughter. But I look back at my surroundings - more often one child at a time.
    The mother-in-law was right.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 9 November 2020 16: 05
    22
    The state has failed to form a model of family relations that is attractive to young people.

    If the husband and wife belong to the middle class according to Putin's classification, they each receive 17.000 rubles. per month, only 20.000 rubles are spent from the family budget. per month for renting odnushki - then they definitely have no time for children, they would have to survive am
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 9 November 2020 16: 20
      -12 qualifying.
      Quote: Corona without virus
      for renting odnushki - then they definitely have no time for children, they would have survived

      I had two born on a rented, three were born to a colleague (by the way, he became a grandfather this year, at 39 years old, and they also live in a rented room, moved out from their parents), and my wife's friend also had two. And nothing - everyone is alive and well, well fed and shod. And we have already acquired our own housing with our children. But those who began their adult life in their apartments and did not spend money on rented housing, now, at best, have one child, and that is not all. That's a paradox, isn't it?
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 9 November 2020 17: 22
        +5
        Quote: Lesovik
        Quote: Corona without virus
        for renting odnushki - then they definitely have no time for children, they would have survived

        I had two born on a rented, three were born to a colleague (by the way, he became a grandfather this year, at 39 years old, and they also live in a rented room, moved out from their parents), and my wife's friend also had two. And nothing - everyone is alive and well, well fed and shod. And we have already acquired our own housing with our children. But those who began their adult life in their apartments and did not spend money on rented housing, now, at best, have one child, and that is not all. That's a paradox, isn't it?

        My words should ALWAYS !!! understand how i wrote drinks
        I wrote about the "middle class according to Putin's classification" - this is how one should count 34.000 rubles. a month WITHOUT !!! additional income in the form of the same "subsidies" from parents of young families wassat
        Here, take the calculator in hand and calculate if from the total family budget of 34.000 rubles. subtract 20.000 rubles. for rental housing - as for 14.000 rubles. to live at least two adults per month ?! am And the results, if it doesn't bother you, are "in the studio" drinks
        1. Woodman
          Woodman 10 November 2020 07: 56
          0
          My words should ALWAYS be !!! understand how i wrote drinks
          I wrote about the "middle class according to Putin's classification" - this is how one should count 34.000 rubles. a month WITHOUT !!! additional income
          If you are "understood as you wrote", it means that you are as far from the concept of renting housing as ... like Rogozin is from space! For housing is rented based on the family budget. And if you took "Putin's middle class" for the family budget, then you took the figure of 20000 "from the ceiling." You could just as well write 40000. With a family budget of 34000, no one would spend 20000 on rent. It is not profitable. They will look for cheaper options. And that's a fact. And they will find it.
          Quote: Corona without virus
          And the results, if it doesn't bother you, are "in the studio"

          And I wrote the results to you above. Or do you think that we all earned the same as you did before self-isolation? So you are deeply mistaken.
      2. Varyag71
        Varyag71 10 November 2020 09: 06
        +1
        Leave these tales.
        1. Woodman
          Woodman 10 November 2020 09: 08
          -2
          Nothing to say - better keep silent.
    2. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 14: 02
      15
      Quote: Crown without virus
      only 20.000 rubles are spent from the family budget. per month to rent odnushki

      Where are the prices? We have 10000 rubles a month plus electricity.
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 9 November 2020 16: 05
    +7
    As follows from the report of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation, in the period from January to July 2020, the population decline in our country increased by 30%

    You can also look at this from the good side - in Paradise, the number of Russians in the period from January to July 2020 increased by 30%.
    1. nnm
      nnm 9 November 2020 19: 07
      +3
      In comparison with what indicator and for what period? And do not try to write that you are talking about a similar period last year, because this is nonsense, not numbers then ...
    2. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 14: 02
      16
      Quote: Alexander Kopychev
      You can look at it from the good side - in Paradise

      You can, but this is there, and we are here. And there is nothing good about this issue.
      1. Alexander Kopychev
        Alexander Kopychev 13 November 2020 15: 44
        +1
        With me like water off a duck's back, you explain this GDP. laughing
  • dml9
    dml9 9 November 2020 16: 06
    +3
    It is necessary to raise the standard of living of the population, then they will be more willing to give birth. So that the salary for a normal life is enough. And then loans, rented houses and mortgages for 25 years. So you think you will raise a child or not ...
    1. Lex_is
      Lex_is 9 November 2020 16: 10
      +4
      It is necessary to raise the standard of living of the population, then they will be more willing to give birth.


      And who told you that when the standard of living rises, the birth rate increases?
      Until now, with the rise in living standards in all countries, the birth rate fell.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 9 November 2020 16: 15
      18
      Quote: dml9
      It is necessary to raise the standard of living of the population,

      Socialism is needed, confidence in the future ... then they will give birth ...
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 9 November 2020 16: 49
        -1
        .
        Some elements of socialism today can only be seen in rich countries that can afford it.
        Socialism in its classical form is dead today.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 9 November 2020 16: 58
          +6
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Some elements of socialism today can only be seen in rich countries that can afford it.
          Socialism in its classical form is dead today.

          It is true, as well as the fact that in rich countries, elements of socialism are gradually disappearing .. In the classical form, but with a change in political governance, it is necessary to revive ..
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 9 November 2020 17: 08
            0
            Quote: Svarog
            It is true, as well as the fact that in rich countries, elements of socialism are gradually disappearing .. In the classical form, but with a change in political governance, and need to revive.

            I can't say that. The social sphere in normal countries is serious and quite diverse. With an increase in the State's capabilities, it only grows.
            Political governance in countries changes extremely rarely. Basically, as a result of revolutions, but then no time to socialize.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 9 November 2020 17: 07
        +7
        In addition to material wealth, the belief that you and your children are needed by the state is also important .. That they will not abandon you, they will always support you, you have a huge country and people behind you. As it was in the USSR. And when you do it through your lip - and who asked you to give birth at all ... You will live on macaroshkas, don't die. Here, excuse me, any potential for reproduction disappears .. When you realize that the hell nobody needs in this state.
    3. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 14: 03
      15
      Quote: dml9
      It is necessary to raise the standard of living of the population

      Under the current system, no one will do this. yes
  • tatra
    tatra 9 November 2020 16: 11
    +1
    That SYSTEM, for its own enrichment, which the enemies of the communists imposed on the republics of the USSR and their peoples captured by them, caused enormous demographic damage to all peoples on the territory of the USSR. So, the population of Tajikistan has increased most of all of the former republics of the USSR - by 80% in 30 years, BUT over the same 30 years until 1991, the population of the Tajik SSR has increased more than 2 times.
  • igorra
    igorra 9 November 2020 16: 13
    23
    Three children. Parents, the salary for two is 60 rubles a month, I'm talking about a more or less real salary in the country. A total of 000 per person. Food for a family of five is on average 12 rubles per day, I don't take it to the region without meat and fish, on one chicken for two days. Total 000 rubles. Rent + internet and communication + transport 1000 rubles. The remainder of the scatter on clothing, chemistry and other needs? Shoes for a child are autumn 30000, winter 15000, summer + sneakers 2000. Total 3000 rubles, multiply by 3000, we get 8000 rubles. Okay for an adult, as they say, one galoshes for five years, but in children, the legs grow, and since the quality of the shoes floats strongly, one does not always wear one after the other. The father of three children himself, everything in life happens, as they say from the bag ..., but it is not childish to plow in. And if there is no housing? I considered it this way and so, if you live with dignity, not counting where the money will be pushed in the first place to close the family budget, then the income in our country for each person in the family should be at least 3 rubles. Then a family of five, having 24000 rubles a month, will even be able to save something and not get into loans, the interest of which is now putting pressure on many families who have not taken a good life. Yes, and with housing it is necessary to decide, gave birth to a second - an apartment, not in ownership, pay the communal flat, the state pays the rent. Gave birth to more, more apartment. He brought up, raised, learned to receive an apartment as a gift.
    1. Vladimir Vladimirovich S
      Vladimir Vladimirovich S 9 November 2020 16: 39
      +4
      Your comment, yes to God in the ears ...
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 November 2020 17: 31
      -6
      Everything rests on money - and there is no required amount of them, say for the third child, the state will give 1,6 million rubles at once 2 or more million families can rush to give birth, and where the state will take 3,2 trillion rubles for this per year - each year?
  • Van 16
    Van 16 9 November 2020 16: 24
    11
    That's the whole story ..
    We can say - the assessment and result of the activities of our president and government ..
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 9 November 2020 16: 55
      +2
      Ivan hi,
      "Vlasov's tie" is a fair "assessment" of their "activity".
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 9 November 2020 17: 14
        10
        It is not in vain that the law on the immunity of the president has been adopted.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 10 November 2020 01: 40
          +4
          not in vain accepted


          The picture was taken from the open spaces of the "sovereign" Runet
    2. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 14: 04
      16
      Quote: Van 16
      That's the whole story ..
      We can say - the assessment and result of the activities of our president and government ..

      This is not the whole story. This is just the beginning of the story of the rule of power.
  • fn34440
    fn34440 9 November 2020 16: 27
    +9
    "Beauty" childless Golikova was appointed by the President to be responsible for INCREASING demographics.
    But in fact, it turns out, it works to save the Pension Fund (mostly pensioners and pre-retirees are dying).
    Instead of increasing payments on "maternity capital", the ranks of bureaucrats from the authorities, their salaries, bonuses, bonuses and the like, are expanding. Today, another (tenth) vice-prime minister has been invented. Also, so, will take up demography.?
    1. Esaul
      Esaul 9 November 2020 16: 57
      +5
      Well, over the past 10 years, how many millions of jamshuts have been brought to us, here is the "increase in demography".
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 9 November 2020 17: 04
        0
        "It is difficult to enter history, but it is easy to get involved" (M. Zhvanetsky).
        The previous two, Gorbachev and Yeltsin, GOT IN and are hated in Russia.
        Reducing the demographic situation in Russia for twenty years, when money was pouring into the budget, is also art.
        Horosho lives in the world and Winnie the Pooh Dimon. He receives a month from bounty-two maternity capital (based on the 2nd child for mothers).
        Every month for their beautiful eyes.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 9 November 2020 16: 29
    11
    Such an ingenious plan could only have been conceived by a great leader. If NATO soldiers want to seize Russia, they hop to one city, and it’s empty, they rushed to another city and there’s no one there, they went to the village to eat potatoes and milk, and there’s not a soul. And they will have to retreat without a fight, so as not to starve to death. Ingeniously thought up.
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 14: 05
      15
      Quote: From Tomsk
      Such a cunning plan could only have been conceived by a great leader.

      A very great strategist of the tree-stick ... Our Great Generals of the past did not even think of such a thing. bully
  • ALARI
    ALARI 9 November 2020 16: 29
    +5
    And how many left for permanent residence in other countries? There is only death / birth. And they leave mainly at childbearing age and do not return in the majority.
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 14: 06
      15
      Quote: ALARI
      And how many left for permanent residence in other countries?

      Probably a lot. I personally know five who went to the West for permanent residence. Two to Germany in the 90s, one to France in the early 2000s, one to the states in the early 2000s, and one more, 7 years ago, to Australia.
  • Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 9 November 2020 16: 44
    +8
    Here is what I found on the network:
    В Poland Parents receive payments for all children under the age of 18 years. The amount of the monthly allowance will be 500 zlotys (127 euros) for each child.
    В Germany parents receive payments for all children under the age of 18, and in some cases up to 25 years. The amount of this allowance depends on the number of children in the family: for the first and second children, parents receive 194 euros per month. The state allocates 200 euros to the family for the maintenance of the third, and 225 euros for the fourth
    В Czech Republic at birth, they immediately pay $ 630. The monthly allowance there is $ 150.
    In France at the birth of a child, they immediately pay $ 1200, only not to the rich, but 85% of French families receive this payment. The child care allowance is just over $ 200.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 November 2020 17: 33
      -7
      And now to what you have found, give the average price tags for the communal services and everything else in these countries - for the sake of completeness.
    2. nnm
      nnm 9 November 2020 19: 08
      0
      And what about the demographics in the countries you mentioned? It's okay, right?)))))
  • Most kind
    Most kind 9 November 2020 16: 46
    +3
    Come on, wait, they somehow wrote to me that everything is fine with us, but here it is, damn it, the Accounts Chamber is lying, we live in a wonderful country of opportunities, you can become an assistant to the governor with a complete secondary education, you can be a deputy with the criminal case terminated after the expiration of the statute of limitations, but what am I telling you, you yourself know everything, everything is possible for everyone, only the people do not really want to give birth to children in such a country, since it is possible, but is it necessary? This is a million dollar question, how tax payments are growing, and factories are going bankrupt, work only in the service sector, we have advertisements for recruiting a job in the Star in Khabarovsk, the one in Bolshoy Kamen, apparently the efficient managers did not take into account something, hottttyaya , most of the country in our country is not suitable for living, Chubais handed out factories, also paid extra, now they are thinking of how to make them give birth, there is no work, there is no confidence in the future, no one is giving birth, oh sorry, we have the so-called poor, they the scourges, they never worked anywhere, and later they issue a disability pension for children, and live in chocolate, so to speak, business, nothing personal. So the Accounts Chamber is lying, we are not dying out, we will soon be gone, and the war is not needed, why are the Russians needed when there are Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmens, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, well, others on the list, if you want to come to Russia, go to the far east, there they will pay you a lift, taking into account all your children and help you to issue citizenship, it is not a fact that the guys will go to fight, but they will take the money for sure, they don't speak Russian very much, they honor Islam, only burqa is not enough, they cannot answer questions , but citizenship is, that's how we die.
  • Esaul
    Esaul 9 November 2020 16: 54
    +6
    For 6 years in a row, the real standard of living has been falling, what an increase in the birth rate can be said in such conditions. This coronavirus is also connected. 80% of people now think about where to earn money for food, and not about children.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 9 November 2020 16: 56
    +7
    Quote: forest1
    They are involved in economic life. They often take on labor functions that the locals do not want to perform. Forge GDP, etc.

    Yes, they work illegally, they do not pay taxes. And some families bring in an ambulance, and a maternity hospital, a hospital, and then a school - give it all! wassat hi
  • Desperado
    Desperado 9 November 2020 16: 57
    +4
    Quote: forest1
    Non-citizens are also a population. They are involved in economic life. They often take on labor functions that the locals do not want to perform. Forge GDP, etc.


    Yeah, they "forge GDP", and also increase the level of crime, most migrants are illegal, i.e. receive a salary in an envelope, without paying a penny to the country's budget. As for they do not want to perform, it is also strongly said, maybe you just have to pay the salary corresponding to the work? Try to get a job somewhere in Scandinavia, whether you are the only one, they will first get a job as a Swede, Finn or Norwegian.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 November 2020 17: 35
      -3
      In Russia itself, there are 13 million such citizens who work in black and do not pay anything except VAT.
  • Esaul
    Esaul 9 November 2020 17: 03
    -11 qualifying.
    It is necessary to allow polygamy, then they will give birth more in such families. Now there are many single women who cannot grow up a child alone. If they are attached to a wealthy husband, then they will be able to give birth and raise a child, especially other wives if they can help them.
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 9 November 2020 17: 37
      -1
      Quote: Esaul
      It is necessary to allow polygamy, then they will give birth more in such families. Now there are many single women who cannot grow up a child alone. If they are attached to a wealthy husband, then they will be able to give birth and raise a child, especially other wives if they can help them.

      Does a wealthy man need it?
    2. the Saint
      the Saint 9 November 2020 17: 38
      -9
      Quote: Esaul
      Polygamy must be allowed

      and abolish the punishment for rape
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 10 November 2020 09: 20
        +2
        Is your kukuha normal?
        1. the Saint
          the Saint 10 November 2020 14: 05
          -2
          Is unassuming humor hard to grasp?
          1. Varyag71
            Varyag71 10 November 2020 14: 15
            +1
            Then write right away that sarcasm. In our time, it is already difficult to perceive something.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 9 November 2020 17: 03
    -4
    Everything in the world is going in a spiral. Perhaps there have already been periods when demographics made such tricks.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 9 November 2020 17: 06
    +2
    Quote: fn34440
    Instead of increasing payments on "parent capital"

    They introduced "maternity capital" - they thought people would be like rabbits to breed? Yes, to put a child on his feet several million need! PEOPLE SHOULD PAY A NORMAL WAGE. and villagers. All vperemeshku. How to give birth to children when half of the country receives 50-15 thousand. So this is a salary, and to calculate the average per capita income (including existing children), by a gold piece on the snout. No. hi
    1. Aag
      Aag 9 November 2020 21: 12
      +1
      Quote: fa2998
      Quote: fn34440
      Instead of increasing payments on "parent capital"

      They introduced "maternity capital" - they thought people would be like rabbits to breed? Yes, to put a child on his feet several million need! PEOPLE SHOULD PAY A NORMAL WAGE. and villagers. All vperemeshku. How to give birth to children when half of the country receives 50-15 thousand. So this is a salary, and to calculate the average per capita income (including existing children), by a gold piece on the snout. No. hi

      I agree. We need jobs, normal working conditions, decent wages. Partly, there will be hope, faith "in tomorrow." But for "CONFIDENCE in tomorrow" (from the word "day") .. IMHO, you need to change ... , well, at least a vector (the hand does not rise to write "development") ...
      We must be sure that the rules will not be changed during the game, as was the case with pensions, and other small things: tariffs of telecom operators, unilaterally, taxes, OSAGO ... The same case when the quantity turns into quality-disbelief in legality, fairness. Compliance of the declared by the management, with their real goals.
      As for the "maternal capital", my opinion is probably subjective. For the age is 54. But, there are a number of comrades with a similar family situation: the eldest child, from the first marriage, about 30, the second, from the second marriage, 3-12. Only one from the dads I saw the "buns" of the capital (I married a widow with two children, gave birth to a third) ... I'm not in that sense, they say, "I didn't get it" (the topic in another article was, - return me a well-deserved MO pension, the rest with disability, at least a little bit, I will finalize) And about that, again, that I see next to them: give birth to children, for the sake of the mother capital, sorry, frank lumpen. I would have worked fruitfully (without sarcasm, for he is handy, Holovaty, but not used to working with his elbows). And here, he did not fit into the market! Yes, there are completely neglected options. Let’s say, in the "scoop" and with them solved!
      Therefore, IMHO, the capital is a gift (and let them not say "everything I can"). We need systematic work. The question is, who needs it?
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 9 November 2020 17: 10
    -1
    The livestock is declining, they do not want to breed, the braces do not help
    1. the Saint
      the Saint 9 November 2020 17: 40
      -4
      Quote: 7,62x54
      The livestock is declining, they do not want to breed, the braces do not help

      If you do not know how, we will teach. If you don't want to, we will force you.
    2. Chervonny
      Chervonny 13 November 2020 14: 07
      15
      Quote: 7,62x54
      clips don't help

      Maybe some of the braces in power are not correct? wink bully
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 9 November 2020 17: 15
    +4
    Quote: Doccor18
    Seriously


    It can't be more serious!
    The authorities, instead of preemptive work, fill up our homeland with hordes of migrants on a par with business. It gives them free medical care, an indulgence in the form of 25 payments per year for a patent from taxes.
    And soon they will also receive pensions stolen from our compatriots!

    A natural fiasco of the anti-popular national policy of the government of the Western satellites.

    They cleanse the territory from the indigenous population, carrying out economic genocide.

    In the bins 11trn. ₽, and they raise the retirement age, because how many people now will not live to retire.

    Pay mothers 50t. Rubles a month for two children, 75 for three, so the population will grow.

    But they prefer to milk the budget by paying for the children of migrants: pregnant mothers come from the "stans", give birth in Russia, and their children receive Russian citizenship. Parents (migrants) do not pay taxes, and their children receive all the benefits (as citizens of the Russian Federation) at our expense.
    In addition, migrants buy nasty $ and send them to their homeland.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 November 2020 17: 45
      -4
      No one comes anymore - the borders are closed and there is a shortage of workers everywhere, but they don't want to go to these jobs.
      "Pay mothers 50t. Rubles a month for two children, 75 for three, so the population will grow" Here you will find a constant source of money for this, and there the sums per year will come out with twelve zeros, then there will be a conversation, but for now everything is empty.
      1. Aag
        Aag 9 November 2020 21: 25
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        No one comes anymore - the borders are closed and there is a shortage of workers everywhere, but they don't want to go to these jobs.
        "Pay mothers 50t. Rubles a month for two children, 75 for three, so the population will grow" Here you will find a constant source of money for this, and there the sums per year will come out with twelve zeros, then there will be a conversation, but for now everything is empty.

        Vadim, I can understand if you are at work, sending your comments (and at night crying in your pillow ... from hopelessness, and the urge of conscience). Please, no offense. True, I want to understand the nature of your views.
        Well, if it's absolutely stupid, roughly how many fellow citizens your spouse gives birth to, in what time frame, and for what money?
        Do you propose to solve the problem with such methods?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 9 November 2020 17: 16
    +3
    The demographic situation is one of the most important problems in modern Russia.

    Anyway, the balance is straight, like a club in the head, balance !!!
    And that, millions of compatriots over the hill, CANNOT or DO NOT WANT TO RETURN !!
    An interesting question, WHY ???
    I don’t want to list the reasons again, again ... they are all known to be counted! And for each reason, you can even now substitute the name of a specific department, a specific official, full name !!!
    This is no longer absurd, this is a CRIME AGAINST RUSSIA!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 November 2020 17: 50
      -3
      "They do not want to return" - Probably because they have been settled there for a long time and they feel comfortable there. Why the hell did they surrender to the country one of the most unsuitable for life. in terms of climatic conditions in the world, if you look at the map of the location of the population of Russia, then more than 67% of the total population lives in the European part and in the south.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 November 2020 18: 01
        +2
        It happens in different ways .... that's why he indicated that the options have a place to be.
        And our country is great, DIFFERENT. Everyone would have found a place to their liking, but ......
  • Peter rybak
    Peter rybak 9 November 2020 17: 36
    +2
    This is what needs to be discussed, not the Karabakh problem. After serving in the Armed Forces, I am engaged in construction. I often travel to the towns and villages of Bashkiria. I assure you, the picture is depressing.
    Our house is located on the outskirts of Ufa, in the middle of a cottage village. Every night here patrols of the PPS catch hunters for "bookmarks". The overwhelming majority are young people. No work, no hobbies, except drugs. And they die in batches.
    And my peers, 50 years old, in conversation and do not dream of living up to retirement age. Besides, it got further and further over the years.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 9 November 2020 18: 11
      +2
      So suggest HOW and WHAT should be changed, corrected ...
      We, the Volga region, have a "hungry land" as they said before ...
      we live! We live normally, those who do not cackle "oh, how bad everything is with us!", But are busy!
      Nariki are, not without it, but not around every corner .... this is a GENERAL trouble, so the whole world needs to be dealt with.
      1. Peter rybak
        Peter rybak 9 November 2020 18: 17
        +1
        Quote: rocket757
        So suggest HOW and WHAT should be changed, corrected ...
        We, the Volga region, have a "hungry land" as they said before ...
        we live! We live normally, those who do not cackle "oh, how bad everything is with us!", But are busy!
        Nariki are, not without it, but not around every corner .... this is a GENERAL trouble, so the whole world needs to be dealt with.

        What to offer? I have already proposed and implemented mine. I have five children from two marriages. I raised them, gave them education. They are still working in Russia. Some in Bashkiria, some in Moscow, some in Minvody. And I raised them in the 90s, when I myself received a salary with chickens and bricks.

        I brought up my children in such a way that the concept of drugs for them is the same as a flight to Jupiter: incomprehensible and unattainable. So junkies, this is not a common problem, this is the trouble of each individual family, the problem is in education within the family.

        "The devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads."
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 9 November 2020 18: 28
          +2
          Quote: Peter Rybak
          So junkies, it's not a common problem

          A dangerous fallacy.
          I also believe that FAMILY is the basis of everything, relatives, relatives, it is our support, rear ...
          But, if you have experience of upbringing, talent, why not use it for the benefit of others ... all good things always come back !!! This is not even an axiom, it is!
          P.S. help, not give even one more drug to appear, it will be easier for you, for your loved ones, others ...
          1. Peter rybak
            Peter rybak 9 November 2020 18: 38
            0
            Quote: rocket757
            Quote: Peter Rybak
            So junkies, it's not a common problem

            A dangerous fallacy.
            I also believe that FAMILY is the basis of everything, relatives, relatives, it is our support, rear ...
            But, if you have experience of upbringing, talent, why not use it for the benefit of others ... all good things always come back !!! This is not even an axiom, it is!
            P.S. help, not give even one more drug to appear, it will be easier for you, for your loved ones, others ...

            How? How should I use my parenting talent and experience? I run some kind of humanitarian pages on the Internet, poetry contests, but few people need all this now. With a teacher's diploma, I could not get a job at the school. And, to be honest, I didn't really want to. With the devastation that is happening in the methodology of public education, the new Ushinskiy, Makarenko, Sukhomlinskiy will not appear soon. The essence of modern upbringing in families has been reduced to the principle of survival. If in our time the father asked his son: "Well, what do you want to do after school? What interests you?", Now the main problem of the father is just to give the child a higher education, otherwise there is no career, no future. The vocational school system, in which the youth of the current "drug addict" age was employed, ordered to live long. And with it the specialists left. In Soviet times, without a crust of a painter-plasterer, finisher, etc. you wouldn't be close to a rule or a brush. And now every guest worker "can do everything", and our young people aspire to universities, if only there is a diploma.
            The youth do not have that outlet that would occupy them from 19 to 22-23 years old, the time of their own awareness.
            In such conditions, the family comes to the fore. Not a kindergarten, not a school, not a university, but a family. But the family has practically no time for a child. There is a problem of survival.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 9 November 2020 19: 08
              +3
              In the evenings I worked with teenagers (now it's impossible, the infection interferes). It so happened that he began to teach his own friends, neighbors pulled up, and then teenagers from all over the village pulled themselves up.
              The club "crazy hands" .... they found a place in an empty village club, the head of the administration helped, because his boy is also with us.
              I teach everything that I can myself .... along the way I teach mind to mind !!! If we create a model of a tank, an airplane, a ship, then the obligatory "lecture" is about designers, pilots, sailors, tankmen and so on.
              Accordingly, when we assemble a radio receiver, then about the inventor of the radio and so on, so on ...
              In general, extracurricular education, plus very useful skills ... yes, also discipline. I am an old soldier, discipline is our everything.
              Everything is on a voluntary basis ... but it's so nice when everyone in the village knows you and ...
              He who wants to do the job, and does not look for a reason how not to do it.
              1. Peter rybak
                Peter rybak 9 November 2020 19: 17
                0
                Quote: rocket757

                He who wants to do the job, and does not look for a reason how not to do it.

                I do not argue. People of different ages also go to my lectures on modern poetry, to the school of creativity. This is what I can do and what I can teach. If I devote a lot of time to my family, this does not mean that the rest of the world is indifferent to me. I am not an old soldier, but a "jacket", although I have passed a little. I have students whom I teach construction business, but most of them have higher construction education. Alas, I do not have so much time and opportunity to devote it to the upbringing of the current generation.
                Each of us does things differently.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 9 November 2020 21: 44
                  +2
                  Why do you write that you do not know how and how to use it? In my opinion, you are engaged in business. Human communication can not be replaced by NOTHING!
                  You are a humanitarian, I am a techie, everyone is busy with their own business and not only for themselves!
                  Everyone who can give as much as they can! In total, it will not be small, and most importantly, everything is for the benefit of ALL!
              2. Peter rybak
                Peter rybak 9 November 2020 19: 19
                0
                Quote: rocket757
                He who wants to do the job, and does not look for a reason how not to do it.

                And by the way, I am one of those who think that the phrase "the fish rots from the head" is the greatest excuse for the tail.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 9 November 2020 21: 46
                  0
                  I agree .... of course, I often criticize THEM, but I write about US not less often and quite specifically, AS IS.
            2. Aag
              Aag 9 November 2020 21: 34
              +2
              Golden, or rather bitter words.
          2. Aag
            Aag 9 November 2020 21: 30
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            Quote: Peter Rybak
            So junkies, it's not a common problem

            A dangerous fallacy.
            I also believe that FAMILY is the basis of everything, relatives, relatives, it is our support, rear ...
            But, if you have experience of upbringing, talent, why not use it for the benefit of others ... all good things always come back !!! This is not even an axiom, it is!
            P.S. help, not give even one more drug to appear, it will be easier for you, for your loved ones, others ...

            I don’t understand why there was a minus! Maybe the author is arguing?
            1. Peter rybak
              Peter rybak 9 November 2020 21: 44
              -1
              Quote: AAG

              I don’t understand why there was a minus! Maybe the author is arguing?

              I never minus my interlocutors. I can put minuses to blunt boors, utyrkami, but if I entered into a dialogue with someone, minus it is low.
              1. Aag
                Aag 9 November 2020 21: 58
                +1
                Quote: Peter Rybak
                Quote: AAG

                I don’t understand why there was a minus! Maybe the author is arguing?

                I never minus my interlocutors. I can put minuses to blunt boors, utyrkami, but if I entered into a dialogue with someone, minus it is low.

                The posts do not appear quite correctly ... I did not contact you, apparently. Your comments are close to me. True, 10 years ago. It may be that way now (maybe worse), but they have no real information ..: hi
                Speaking about the "author", I meant the author of the sinus ...
  • nnm
    nnm 9 November 2020 17: 39
    -1
    Until economic and social problems are resolved, population decline will remain steadily high and progressive

    Absolutely untrue statement. And in Germany, and in Japan, and even in China, the birth rate per woman is higher in Russia. So the question is no longer in the economy, but first of all, in the minds of people.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 9 November 2020 18: 15
      +3
      The problem is COMPREHENSIVE! Where more, where less, but one for all countries I.N. developed / industrial. Countries, old world, tc ..
      But the "young", developing countries are pushing forward and it will not be surprising to see the gradual replacement of one population with another.
      1. nnm
        nnm 9 November 2020 18: 56
        +2
        I call the numbers from memory. But if I am mistaken, then not much. In China, the fertility rate is -1.4 per woman. In Russia - 1. It turns out that again the question is not that the developing "twig". I have a variant based on the projection of the level of development of a social, ethnic community on the reproduction rate, but I will not say anything about it.
        But the fact that the question is complex is beyond doubt.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 9 November 2020 19: 24
          0
          Quote: nnm
          In China, the fertility rate is -1.4 per woman

          It is strange to cite as an example China with its state policy of reducing the birth rate ...
          1. nnm
            nnm 9 November 2020 20: 05
            +1
            It is strange otherwise - not to know that in China this policy has been replaced by exactly the opposite for several years.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 9 November 2020 20: 20
              +2
              Quote: nnm
              It is strange otherwise - not to know that in China this policy has been replaced by exactly the opposite for several years.

              This is in which "Natural population growth is planned to be kept within 6,5%"
              1. nnm
                nnm 9 November 2020 20: 37
                +4
                Holding - DOESN'T MEAN TO LIMIT.
                I really do not like to argue with those who do not own the materiel. Therefore, I will give you just a quote
                "According to the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, if the birth rate remains unchanged, then by 2065 China's population will be reduced to 1,17 billion.
                "From a theoretical point of view, long-term population decline, accompanied by an ever-aging population, will lead to very adverse social and economic consequences," the report says.
                China is extremely concerned about the problem of falling fertility !!!
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 9 November 2020 20: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: nnm
                  I really do not like to argue with those who do not own the materiel.

                  And I don't argue with you. There is no sense. After such a passage - "Hold - DOESN'T MEAN TO LIMIT."
                  1. nnm
                    nnm 9 November 2020 20: 48
                    +3
                    What a pity that there is no Face palm smiley !!!!
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 9 November 2020 20: 52
                      -1
                      Instead of fake pity, you'd better just tighten up the hardware yourself, otherwise it really is a Face palm.
                      1. nnm
                        nnm 9 November 2020 20: 54
                        +2
                        Ok, I'll take note. Continue to believe that China has a birth control policy.
                        You are not destined to familiarize yourself, for example, with the speeches of the Deputy Chairman of the State Committee for Healthcare and Planned Childbirth of the People's Republic of China, Wang Peian, see amendments to the Civil Code, etc.
                        Is it really so difficult to understand that it’s not a shame not to know something - it’s a shame to persist in your ignorance and to push your hands and feet when what they write to you is not analyzed, but simply comes down to "aaaaaaaaa"!
                      2. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 9 November 2020 20: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: nnm
                        Continue to believe that China has a birth control policy.

                        Well, if for you a ban on the number of children in a family is not a policy of limiting the birth rate, then you can't cover your face with any hands ... You wouldn't advise a part about mate, but you yourself took advice ...
                      3. nnm
                        nnm 9 November 2020 21: 05
                        +3
                        Wake up already !!!! An hour of time wasted on you! I WRITE YOU FROM THE FIRST POST - THERE IS NO BAN IN CHINA ON THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN !!! In 2016, this rule has already been canceled !!!!
                        Well, if for you a ban on the number of children in a family is not a policy of limiting the birth rate

                        Lord, how is it possible, without knowing the basics, to conduct a dispute simply from the principle - if only to resist and argue, argue, argue ...
                        Moreover, I will tell you that the abolition of restrictions did not lead to the expected jump in the birth rate and now new norms are being prepared for stimulation.
                      4. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 9 November 2020 21: 13
                        -2
                        Quote: nnm
                        I WRITE YOU FROM THE FIRST POST - THERE IS NO BAN IN CHINA ON THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN !!!

                        Once again, your advice is to you - checkmate part. Although it seems useless.
                      5. Aag
                        Aag 9 November 2020 21: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: nnm
                        Wake up already !!!! An hour of time wasted on you! I WRITE YOU FROM THE FIRST POST - THERE IS NO BAN IN CHINA ON THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN !!! In 2016, this rule has already been canceled !!!!
                        Well, if for you a ban on the number of children in a family is not a policy of limiting the birth rate

                        Lord, how is it possible, without knowing the basics, to conduct a dispute simply from the principle - if only to resist and argue, argue, argue ...
                        Moreover, I will tell you that the abolition of restrictions did not lead to the expected jump in the birth rate and now new norms are being prepared for stimulation.

                        Sorry for interfering, - apparently, a mental habit (it looks like they will soon be weaned) ... I just wanted to urge the participants in the dispute to mutual respect, - in the end, we are looking for one truth. And to express "deep concern" (following the example of the Russian Foreign Ministry) "with the current situation "))).
  • rocket757
    rocket757 9 November 2020 19: 27
    0
    States with a high degree of control over the population, the indicators may be different from the generally accepted ones.
    I do not consider such features as temperament, mentality, traditions, etc., etc. ... I just state that the countries of the old world have reached a level where citizens do not care at all about the problems of their state, if this contradicts their way of life, aspirations, Wishlist .. ..
    Yes, even though everything is turned inside out at the top, we want to live the way we want .... and after us, even a flood or Ethiopians with Arabs!
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 9 November 2020 19: 40
      -1
      Quote: rocket757
      when citizens do not care at all about the problems of their state, if it contradicts their way of life, aspirations, wishes

      Well, this is a natural consequence of politics, no one owes you and rely only on yourself ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 November 2020 19: 47
        +1
        The rhetorical question is a citizen for a state or a state for a citizen.
        But the question is, who is after us? - not rhetorical at all.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 9 November 2020 19: 51
          -2
          Quote: rocket757
          But the question is, who is after us? - not rhetorical at all.

          And why such conclusions?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 9 November 2020 21: 13
            +1
            Quote: mat-vey
            And why such conclusions?

            It is too early to draw conclusions, just a guess, a version .... I will most likely not wait for confirmation / refutation. Lengthy processes are painful.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 9 November 2020 21: 18
              -2
              Quote: rocket757
              Quote: mat-vey
              And why such conclusions?

              It is too early to draw conclusions, just a guess, a version .... I will most likely not wait for confirmation / refutation. Lengthy processes are painful.

              You yourself described the results) (... For example, Pink Floyd spoke about the fact that the state took my father back in the last century - this is about claims of ordinary citizens participating in World War II.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 9 November 2020 21: 37
                +1
                My assumptions are ...
                In general, fortune-telling from the "sofa" side, from someone else's opinion, without .... serious reasons, in general.
                I was wrong, I had to sign that the opinion may not coincide and .... will not be confirmed.
                In general, the level of the "balabolka" that any such network community becomes.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 9 November 2020 21: 40
                  0
                  But what does “fortune-telling” have to do with it, if from birth and more than one generation has been telling people that the state does not owe them anything and everything is “itself”, then that the state, no one owes anything, a natural human reaction ... fascism is not for nothing those in power have come up with.
                2. rocket757
                  rocket757 9 November 2020 21: 53
                  -1
                  Quote: mat-vey
                  what does the "fortune-telling" have to do with it, if from birth and more than one generation to repeat to people that the state does not owe them anything, and that's it

                  I don't even consider such reasoning.
                  The country is the citizens who inhabit it!
                  The state is a function that in many cases imagines and sets itself the most important!
                  Citizens themselves are to blame for tolerating such absurdity.
                3. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 9 November 2020 21: 55
                  0
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Citizens themselves are to blame for tolerating such absurdity.

                  Don't you think that on such reasoning those who come to power are those from whom the state should not and in general did not ask to give birth?
                4. rocket757
                  rocket757 9 November 2020 22: 33
                  0
                  Reasoning, reasoning, and everyone makes the conclusions that he wants.
                  My conclusions are simple - there is nothing to hope for a good uncle, president, tsar and others.
                  If you want to live a normal life, YOURSELF take an active part in the functioning of YOUR state ..... when you decide that your hut is on the edge, officials, managers, salesmen chosen by you, it seems, will gladly forget that they are a "state" you owe something! But they will not forget to remind you, everyone, that they owe the state, i.e. THEM.
                  These are my conclusions.
                5. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 9 November 2020 23: 18
                  -2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  If you want to live normally, take an active part in the functioning of YOUR state by YOURSELF

                  So it's because of you with medication interruptions.
                6. rocket757
                  rocket757 10 November 2020 07: 20
                  +1
                  Ridiculous .... okay, let's stop there.
                7. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 10 November 2020 07: 29
                  -1
                  Well, but you are not that funny - you are trying to walk on a fine line ..
                8. rocket757
                  rocket757 10 November 2020 07: 44
                  0
                  For someone the edges, some kind of lines ... there is truth, there is lies, and the rest is all ne interesno.
                9. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 10 November 2020 07: 59
                  0
                  Quote: rocket757
                  YOURSELF take an active part in the functioning of YOUR state

                  What is it with you - truth or lies? How do you actively function there? Influence the development of medicine, education? What have you solved with the pension reform? How do you manage the Russian Guard?
                10. rocket757
                  rocket757 10 November 2020 08: 04
                  +1
                  Again, it's funny ... however, not knowing the basics of the functioning of the state, this is already .... often, in general.
                11. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 10 November 2020 08: 09
                  0
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Funny again ....

                  You don't get sick there from laughter - there are hiccups, migraine.
                  Quote: rocket757
                  however, not to know the basis of the functioning of the state, this is already

                  In general, you do not influence the growth of the guard, however, like the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Science, as well as the Electoral Commission Center ...
                  And by the way - I imagined and set myself not a function, but specific people.
                12. rocket757
                  rocket757 10 November 2020 09: 05
                  +1
                  Not funny anymore ... just not interesting.
                13. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 10 November 2020 09: 28
                  -1
                  Well, on the contrary, you are getting more interesting and funnier. Could you tell us how a function can think of something?
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 10 November 2020 15: 43
    +2
    Greetings, Victor! hi
    ..... take an active part .....
    I understand it this way, for an ordinary person ----- for example, meetings of the Administration with the population on development, compaction or something else ---- walk, put signatures, or vice versa, express. ?
    If something goes wrong, write letters to the Administration and other higher officials. If they do not react, there is a violation - to sue. For example, this was done by Roman Skomorokhov. For which I respect him. How many of us have done something similar? Ready to do?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 10 November 2020 18: 02
    0
    Hi Dmitry soldier

    We did not invent Schaub there, but civil society is precisely the way of influencing active citizens on the processes taking place in the country ... we must stop being dumb, obedient ... education.
    The forms of influence are very different, but the apogee of everything is a RESPONSIBLE CHOICE, those to whom we trust the government, in general.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 10 November 2020 15: 53
    +1
    ...... the state, this is a function .... which imagined ......
    the function has always strived for this. The nomenclature almost immediately tried to eliminate social elevators, only self-reproduction. Therefore, Stalin carried out a purge among the nomenklatura.
    For example, "house on the embankment" in Moscow. Where property in apartments was provided along with the position. Back door, for those who follow the nomenclature. How can this nomenclature live happily ever after? Create yourself all the words! That's what.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 10 November 2020 18: 08
    0
    And yet, under Stalin, the Soviet party and managerial nomenklatura was born ... while he was, it was acceptable, not without jambs, but they worked for the good of the state ... when the strict control from above ended, its just ... in short , not right away, but we have to contemplate the end result right away!
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 10 November 2020 18: 17
    0
    I think thieving officials, bribe-takers have always been in Russia and in other countries. Another thing is how they were fought against. And about a responsible choice ----- a frequent refrain ---- we thought they were good, but they look like ... Although, after all, you can not choose everyone ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 10 November 2020 18: 24
    0
    By any means it is necessary to return to the society control over the work of officials / employees!
    Such a legitimate, principled and not over every little thing, but over those from the very top must control, provide, and so on ..
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 10 November 2020 18: 35
    +1
    Quote: rocket757
    ....... return to society control over the work of officials / employees!
    Such a legitimate, principled and not over every little thing, but over those from the very top must be controlled .... ..
    this control was under socialism, it turns out? It seems that there are some appointed now?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 November 2020 06: 37
    +1
    Quote: Reptiloid
    control was under socialism, it turns out? It seems that now there are some appointed

    We HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED this.
    There was real control when the work collectives nominated and controlled ... then everything changed, there was only partial or completely conditional control ...
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 11 November 2020 08: 02
    +1
    So it was, when the polling stations were formed not on a territorial basis, but at the place of work and the connection between the elect and the chosen one was not interrupted. There was an opportunity to withdraw.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 November 2020 08: 40
    +1
    Quote: Reptiloid
    There was an opportunity to withdraw.

    The affairs of bygone days ... then everything was right. More of this, the upper ones, do not repeat ..... do not want to admit, in general.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 11 November 2020 09: 59
    +1
    Quote: rocket757
    Quote: Reptiloid
    There was an opportunity to withdraw.

    The affairs of bygone days ... then everything was right. More of this, the upper ones, do not repeat ..... do not want to admit, in general.
    it was before the Second World War.
    That's what.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 November 2020 18: 37
    +1
    Well, the Stalinist Constitution of 1936 ended it all. It is a fact.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 11 November 2020 19: 07
    +1
    Yes, I need to read more about this to me, there was a struggle within the party.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 November 2020 19: 48
    0
    What was, what was ... the very fact of changing the principles and laws is important. Power completely passed into the hands of the party nomenclature and this is the final fact, which also played a final role in the process of the collapse of the country of the Soviets ...
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 11 November 2020 06: 24
    -1
    Quote: rocket757
    By any means it is necessary to return to the society control over the work of officials / employees!

    Can you suggest a way?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 November 2020 07: 02
    0
    Read the Constitution of your country, everything is there.
    Choose Any option that suits you.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 11 November 2020 07: 05
    -1
    Quote: rocket757
    Read the Constitution of your country, everything is there.
    Choose Any option that suits you.

    "The Ministry of Finance opposed the indexation of pensions for working pensioners" - this is also in the constitution. Have you already influenced this discrepancy with the basic law?
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 11 November 2020 06: 24
    -1
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Although, after all, not everyone can be chosen ...

    If they have a goal, then after a certain stage of their cohesive activity, no one can be chosen, except for the one who is beneficial to them.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 11 November 2020 06: 22
    -1
    A social function is the use of one or another mechanism of social interactions to achieve a certain goal or realize certain values.
    These are the goals of those who perform this function, so it serves ... so about "imagining" these are all fairy tales and an attempt to steer away from the true "basis of the functioning of the state."
  • nnm
    nnm 9 November 2020 20: 07
    0
    Where is the high degree of control over the population? If you are talking about fertility, then for several years China has exactly the opposite policy. If you are in terms of ideological and other control - then just the opposite example then - Muslim countries. Control is the most severe, and the birth rate is exorbitant.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 9 November 2020 21: 24
      0
      Quote: nnm
      for several years in China exactly the opposite policy.

      Processes are not fast, just by order, there can be no quick changes. The citizens, in their heads, have already got accustomed to some kind of cockroaches, you can't drive them out of there quickly.
      It takes time, then there will be some result or not. We will see.
      About Islamic countries ... the religion is old, well-established. It does not affect everything and always. There is already mentality, traditions and many other things that influence ...
      Not my topic, I might just be wrong ...
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 9 November 2020 22: 07
        -2
        Quote: rocket757
        for several years in China exactly the opposite policy.

        Processes are not fast, just by order, there can be no quick changes

        So in China they are in no hurry - "another policy" is that from the beginning of 2014 they allowed (what kind of "traditions" are there) first to families where one of the spouses was the only child in the family to have two children without "sanctions", and from 2016 all families to have two children without fines and reprisals .. The Chinese authorities continue to interfere in the "process".
  • purple
    purple 9 November 2020 18: 13
    -6
    Quote: lexus
    Stas hi,
    and there is. They break the "backbone" to deprive them of the ability to resist.

    funny ... Why North. Is the population growing in the Caucasus? Because they are not afraid to give birth ...
    And we have a fashionable bike ... "why breed poverty" ... "how will we feed them" ... etc. This is Generation Z.
    They do not understand what is really important in life and what is not. Alas, we lost the war for the minds to the West with its funny pictures.
    1. Aag
      Aag 9 November 2020 22: 08
      +2
      "... Alas, we lost the war for the minds to the West with its funny pictures ..."
      Minds turned out to be not strong enough, but the fact that they turned out to be, yes, they lost.
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 10 November 2020 06: 42
      -2
      Quote: purple
      Alas, we lost the war for minds

      And how many of you are there?
  • purple
    purple 9 November 2020 18: 14
    -7
    Quote: Peter Rybak
    This is what needs to be discussed, not the Karabakh problem. After serving in the Armed Forces, I am engaged in construction. I often travel to the towns and villages of Bashkiria. I assure you, the picture is depressing.
    Our house is located on the outskirts of Ufa, in the middle of a cottage village. Every night here patrols of the PPS catch hunters for "bookmarks". The overwhelming majority are young people. No work, no hobbies, except drugs. And they die in batches.
    And my peers, 50 years old, in conversation and do not dream of living up to retirement age. Besides, it got further and further over the years.

    Well, whine on, instead of changing something
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 9 November 2020 18: 24
      +1
      Quote: purple

      Well, whine on, instead of changing something

      In my opinion, you are not friends with your head. Who's whining here, tramp? I already wrote above what I changed. And about the fact that he gave birth to five children. Four sons have served in the army and are working for their country.
      What should I change for you? Power, people's brains, the mentality of the people, the economic situation?
      I work, pay taxes, feed my family. Sometimes, until he moved from Moscow to Ufa, and went to rallies. What and how to change? If a particular person is not given the ability to understand himself, then he has at least a stake on his head.
      You need to change yourself if something is wrong.
      And I did not whimper, but simply stated the cases that I met in my life.
      1. Aag
        Aag 9 November 2020 22: 33
        +2
        Quote: Peter Rybak
        Quote: purple

        Well, whine on, instead of changing something

        In my opinion, you are not friends with your head. Who's whining here, tramp? I already wrote above what I changed. And about the fact that he gave birth to five children. Four sons have served in the army and are working for their country.
        What should I change for you? Power, people's brains, the mentality of the people, the economic situation?
        I work, pay taxes, feed my family. Sometimes, until he moved from Moscow to Ufa, and went to rallies. What and how to change? If a particular person is not given the ability to understand himself, then he has at least a stake on his head.
        You need to change yourself if something is wrong.
        And I did not whimper, but simply stated the cases that I met in my life.

        Well, let’s say, “you” with strangers is perhaps not good ...
        On the other hand, what you described deserves respect. In any national scenario. The fact that your nickname sounds, as it were, not in Slavonic, apparently causes a certain reaction ... The people are fed up with Bagdosoryans, Usmanovs, thieves in law from the former Soviet Union ... However, I would like to recall the names of leading physicians, test pilots of the current RF. How many "non-Russians" are there! Or rather, representatives of the Soviet people! hi
        1. Peter rybak
          Peter rybak 9 November 2020 22: 43
          -3
          Quote: AAG

          Well, let’s say, “you” with strangers is perhaps not good ...
          On the other hand, what you described deserves respect. In any national scenario. The fact that your nickname sounds, as it were, not in Slavonic, apparently causes a certain reaction ... The people are fed up with Bagdosoryans, Usmanovs, thieves in law from the former Soviet Union ... However, I would like to recall the names of leading physicians, test pilots of the current RF. How many "non-Russians" are there! Or rather, representatives of the Soviet people! hi

          Note that I was not the first to start. And what is non-Russian in Petra with Rybak's ring? laughing
          I have been living in Russia for 30 years. He graduated from a university in Moscow, worked at a school, served in the Armed Forces, now here's a builder from Ufa.
          1. Aag
            Aag 9 November 2020 23: 54
            0
            Quote: Peter Rybak
            Quote: AAG

            Well, let’s say, “you” with strangers is perhaps not good ...
            On the other hand, what you described deserves respect. In any national scenario. The fact that your nickname sounds, as it were, not in Slavonic, apparently causes a certain reaction ... The people are fed up with Bagdosoryans, Usmanovs, thieves in law from the former Soviet Union ... However, I would like to recall the names of leading physicians, test pilots of the current RF. How many "non-Russians" are there! Or rather, representatives of the Soviet people! hi

            Note that I was not the first to start. And what is non-Russian in Petra with Rybak's ring? laughing
            I have been living in Russia for 30 years. He graduated from a university in Moscow, worked at a school, served in the Armed Forces, now here's a builder from Ufa.

            Sorry, I don't always delve into the intricacies of transplants. As a rule, boors, they are systemic.
            ".... And what is non-Russian in Petra with Rybak's ring? ..."
            I do not understand what you mean.
            I’m not in claims against you. Normally, I respect Soviet people, regardless of nationality. But please understand correctly. I don’t want to pay, among other things, for the ambitions of the leaders of the former Soviet Union, and even their people, their children, to the detriment of their own!
            With us, -forward and with the song. No,-pop to the priest, -and fled!
            Once again, I had no desire to offend someone. Who was offended, I am not to blame: apparently, I had hidden interests ...
            1. Peter rybak
              Peter rybak 9 November 2020 23: 59
              0
              Quote: AAG

              Sorry, I don't always delve into the intricacies of transplants. As a rule, boors, they are systemic.
              ".... And what is non-Russian in Petra with Rybak's ring? ..."
              I do not understand what you mean.
              I’m not in claims against you. Normally, I respect Soviet people, regardless of nationality. But please understand correctly. I don’t want to pay, among other things, for the ambitions of the leaders of the former Soviet Union, and even their people, their children, to the detriment of their own!
              With us, -forward and with the song. No,-pop to the priest, -and fled!
              Once again, I had no desire to offend someone. Who was offended, I am not to blame: apparently, I had hidden interests ...


              Fisherman's ring, also called papal ring, papal ring and St. Petra smile
              The Apostle Peter was a fisherman by occupation. smile I love this biblical character. Selfless was a man.
              1. Aag
                Aag 10 November 2020 05: 46
                0
                "Fisherman's ring, also called papal ring, papal ring and St. Peter's ring smile
                The Apostle Peter was a fisherman by occupation. smile I love this biblical character. Selfless was a man.
                "
                Understood thanks. hi
    2. Varyag71
      Varyag71 10 November 2020 09: 34
      0
      Show by your example what you changed.
  • purple
    purple 9 November 2020 18: 19
    -5
    Quote: Comrade Kim

    Pay mothers 50t. Rubles a month for two children, 75 for three, so the population will grow.

    No, he won't grow up, after the war, no one paid anything ... but in families of 6-8 children it was the norm.
    The problem is in the heads of "mothers", now the generation is infantile, they behave like children under 40 ... The people have no idea ... everything has been replaced by stupid consumption, therefore the situation is the same, and it cannot be solved with money
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 9 November 2020 18: 25
    +4
    ... In a word, the success of the national project "demography" is evident.
  • Muddy Seeing ORACLE
    Muddy Seeing ORACLE 9 November 2020 18: 29
    0
    Quote: Thrifty
    The people do not have confidence in the future, hence they live with the thought “why plow poverty?” In Soviet times, the country lived, grew and multiplied, large families of up to 9 children were almost in the order of things!

    And this confidence will not exist, why everyone is so expecting that the blessings and confidence in the future will be presented to people just like that on a silver platter, because even in the Soviet Union its creators had to fight for this confidence with work and sweat (blood) ...
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 9 November 2020 18: 45
    +1
    The birth rate is low because a significant part of the youth is not involved in the economy. The country's economy is arranged in such a way that young people are either out of work or are interrupted by odd jobs. Even a salary that is not bad by local standards is not enough to support oneself, a wife on maternity leave, and a child born, especially several children. Almost all young people fall into the "losers", incl. willing to work, having a specialty and even qualifications. % with high incomes is negligible. There is no one to provide financially for the family for the period of birth of children. Therefore, the birth rate is low.
    1. FRoman1984
      FRoman1984 10 November 2020 06: 06
      +1
      Quote: olimpiada15
      The birth rate is low because a significant part of the youth is not involved in the economy. The country's economy is arranged in such a way that young people are either out of work or are interrupted by odd jobs. Even a salary that is not bad by local standards is not enough to support oneself, a wife on maternity leave, and a child born, especially several children. Almost all young people fall into the "losers", incl. willing to work, having a specialty and even qualifications. % with high incomes is negligible. There is no one to provide financially for the family for the period of birth of children. Therefore, the birth rate is low.

      The birth rate is low also due to the fact that our state is not predictable. Business does not feel confident about tomorrow, and the Economy without small and medium-sized businesses is dead. From here, young people have nowhere to hide, many dream of leaving the country, do not give birth, so as not to burden themselves, because it is not known how and on what children grow up. We are not lumps with philosophy - to procreate, and then how will it turn out, they will not die of hunger and, okay, we all want a better future for children, therefore, children in families - 1-2, because it's difficult to put everyone on their feet.
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  • comradChe
    comradChe 9 November 2020 19: 30
    +5
    Everything is going as planned.
    1. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 10 November 2020 07: 01
      +1
      But this is only a secret. yes
  • Cop
    Cop 9 November 2020 21: 24
    +1
    After all, there will be no people - there will be no Russia either.
    It seems to me that you are wrong. I think that Russia will not exist when the Russians become a national minority in it.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 9 November 2020 21: 29
    +2
    Uh ... In general, everything in this article is against Putin and the Government. Specially?

    Let me remind you that in 19, the Kremlin announced:
    unprecedented wage increases
    unprecedented growth in living standards
    unprecedented growth in housing construction
    unprecedented decline in inflation
    unprecedented growth of Russian-speaking people who have moved to Russia, People with higher education, etc.
    Passports to LDNR !!!
    unprecedented increase in life expectancy !!!

    And suddenly this article !!!
  • Romul_78
    Romul_78 9 November 2020 21: 38
    +3
    The existing production facilities in the world and the level of technology allow providing food, cooking and a roof over the head of EVERY inhabitant of the earth. Implement the principle from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. But perhaps the most disgusting of human qualities is to blame for everything - the thirst for profit, which is possible only due to the fact that someone becomes poorer
    In a market economy, this issue is insoluble, although the market economy is over, a concentration camp for those is being replaced. who will survive the "pandemic".
    What is the increase in the birth rate in question, even if 1 child is a standard family is a sentence. And it's still good that we inherited such a legacy from the USSR in the form of housing, the overwhelming majority of our country's residents live in Soviet houses, without them it would be a complete disaster, because perhaps 30 percent of the population has the opportunity to buy housing.
    The thirst for profit leads to more and more deserted technologies, robotic factories, self-driving cars, etc. lead every day to the fact that every day more and more people are simply not needed, what kind of fertility stimulation are we talking about, this is all window dressing, which contradicts the economic basis of a market economy. Economics, as you know, studies the relationship between people in terms of production and consumption, but what kind of relationship between people can be discussed when some people are food for others. Disgusting and disgusting
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 9 November 2020 21: 47
    +5
    and who doesn't like the USSR?
    1. Aag
      Aag 9 November 2020 23: 14
      0
      Quote: Ryaruav
      and who doesn't like the USSR?

      Unfortunately for many, and even more regretfully for those who have no idea what it was like under the USSR.
      Again, it turned out that most of my acquaintances divorced in the 90s. Almost EVERYTHING! In the XNUMXs, they gradually became seeded. The question arose: practically, universal, - to give birth or not to give birth. Finances, everyday life, - in the second place was. First, what to teach children? What they taught us (and doom the child in advance). , to vomit (not enough experience, and ... it's not ours) .... Here's a squiggle ... Some former friends have become closer, some are dumped from the horizon ...
      You can, of course, say that a friend is known in trouble. But the Soviet friendship of peoples (albeit somewhere attracted), cost less, cost more, and, most importantly, had a constructive, positive meaning. Here is the whole demography of the Soviet period. .. hi
  • Phoenix040
    Phoenix040 9 November 2020 23: 54
    +2
    So the Russian Federation should be made a country for the people, and not a feeding trough for oligophrenic oligarchs plundering the Russian Federation and exporting everything abroad! It is necessary to improve the quality of IVF, otherwise it is significantly inferior to the level of South Korea in the Russian Federation! The level of medicine in the Russian Federation is generally deplorable, Murashko either swore in his head, or deliberately hurts, from UKROp considerations. It came to a shortage of drugs in the Russian Federation, same.
    1. Aag
      Aag 9 November 2020 23: 58
      +2
      Quote: Phoenix040
      So the Russian Federation should be made a country for the people, and not a feeding trough for oligophrenic oligarchs plundering the Russian Federation and exporting everything abroad! It is necessary to improve the quality of IVF, otherwise it is significantly inferior to the level of South Korea in the Russian Federation! The level of medicine in the Russian Federation is generally deplorable, Murashko either swore in his head, or deliberately hurts, from UKROp considerations. It came to a shortage of drugs in the Russian Federation, same.

      Well, the theses are correct. Next what? How?
      1. Phoenix040
        Phoenix040 10 November 2020 00: 00
        +1
        And then there is a wonderful example - Saudi Arabia. You can start with the adoption in the Russian Federation of a law on citizenship, modeled on Saudi Arabia, in order to spend Russian money on the indigenous population of the Russian Federation, and not on the Chubais and the company
        1. Aag
          Aag 10 November 2020 05: 44
          0
          Quote: Phoenix040
          And then there is a wonderful example - Saudi Arabia. You can start with the adoption in the Russian Federation of a law on citizenship, modeled on Saudi Arabia, in order to spend Russian money on the indigenous population of the Russian Federation, and not on the Chubais and the company

          Will Chubais and Co. pass this law and rush to obey it furiously?
  • Unemployed
    Unemployed 10 November 2020 01: 40
    +2
    The article is a huge plus. I have four children. The sons of 1990 and 1992 (both served) still cannot find work. They don't want to go back to the army. Daughters of 2008 and 2016. If not for my wife's pension, my children would be a kid.
    1. purple
      purple 10 November 2020 14: 48
      -1
      Congratulations raised lazy people and parasites.
  • FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 10 November 2020 05: 52
    +1
    Migration from the Central Asian and Transcaucasian republics to compensate for the loss of population is no less evil.
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  • Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 10 November 2020 06: 55
    +1
    the mortality rate of men at a young age is high - both 50-year-olds and 40-year-olds die, and the reason for this is the way of life

    This opinion runs directly counter to the valiant claims of non-bias and a victorious increase in life expectancy.
  • Not_invented
    Not_invented 10 November 2020 07: 27
    +1
    In Russia (back in the USSR) a second demographic transition took place. Namely, the transition from the model "give birth a lot - die a lot" through the model "give birth a lot - die a little" to the model "give birth a little - die a little". In no country in the world has it happened that after the demographic transition, the model of population reproduction took a step back. In the few developed countries, where population growth is present, it is provided by migration flows from countries with lower living standards. Therefore, you can try to increase the birth rate for as long as you like - it cannot be raised to the level of even 2.5 children per woman.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 10 November 2020 09: 37
      -3
      Well, the mortality rate is everywhere 100%. Actually, therefore, annual indicators do not make sense, only fertility in a generation is important.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 10 November 2020 08: 24
    +2
    Large business plays an important role in our country. And its task is to get more profit from a smaller number of employees, so there is no need to talk about the success of demography.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 10 November 2020 09: 38
      -3
      Generally speaking, the task of any given production is to obtain maximum productivity with minimum investment. No one is obliged to support a population that does not produce anything.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 11 November 2020 07: 30
        0
        Quote: EvilLion
        Generally speaking, the task of any given production is to obtain maximum productivity with minimum investment. No one is obliged to support a population that does not produce anything.

        But what about the elites? After all, many of them do not produce anything. Every person should be given a chance.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 10 November 2020 08: 27
    -2
    Well, in the 90s, the birth rate was minimal, but now it is precisely these young people who are not enough to give birth.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 10 November 2020 09: 31
      0
      Quote: EvilLion
      Well, in the 90s, the birth rate was minimal, but now it is precisely these young people who are not enough to give birth.

      And what, you can give birth only once?
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 10 November 2020 09: 34
        -2
        At 20-30 they give birth more often than at 40-50. If the country has a small population of reproductive age due to a decrease in the birth rate during the crisis or war period 20-30 years ago, then the birth rate will also be low. And there are countries where such waves still go in WWI.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 10 November 2020 09: 37
          -1
          Quote: EvilLion
          Well, in the 90s, the birth rate was minimal

          Quote: EvilLion
          At 20-30 give birth more often

          2020-1990 = 30 ..