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Turkish media: Erdogan proposed to Putin to create a joint group on Karabakh - "like on Idlib"

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Turkish media today come out with materials that tell some of the details of a telephone conversation that took place the other day between Presidents Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Recall that the Kremlin press service, reporting on this conversation between the two leaders, noted that the presidents talked about the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh.


Turkish media reported that the Turkish president, having addressed his Russian counterpart, proposed to create a joint working group on Nagorno-Karabakh. According to Erdogan, the creation of such a working group would help stop the armed conflict in the South Caucasus.

The Turkish media have not reported on Vladimir Putin's reaction to this proposal by the Turkish president.

At the same time, it is noted in Turkey that Recep Tayyip Erdogan actually proposes to the President of Russia the format that has been implemented in Syria, now for Karabakh. If this is so and the conversation is really about the option with the Syrian Idlib, then it turns out that Erdogan is going to extend the practice of Turkey's military presence to the South Caucasus. And it can be either directly the Turkish military, who in the aforementioned Idlib created several dozen so-called observation posts for themselves, and pro-Turkish armed formations.

Recall that the situation in Syrian Idlib today is such that the border areas of this Syrian province are controlled by Turkish troops, which at the same time also act as a kind of shield for numerous militants who have created and equipped their positions in different areas of Idlib. Some time ago it was reported that the Russian Aerospace Forces defeated a militant training camp in this territory of the Syrian Arab Republic.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 9 November 2020 10: 48
    +5
    Friend (Erdogan) in trouble will not leave
    He won’t ask too much ...
    This is what it means, a true faithful friend!

    Such "friends" for ... Faberge - yes to the museum!
    Under the glass!
    Tolstoy!
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 9 November 2020 11: 12
      +3
      it turns out that Erdogan intends to extend the practice of Turkey's military presence to the South Caucasus... And it can be both directly Turkish military who in the mentioned Idlib created for themselves several dozen so-called observation posts, and pro-Turkish armed formations.
      Recall that the situation in Syrian Idlib today is such that the border areas of this Syrian province are controlled by Turkish troops, which at the same time also act as a kind of shield for numerous militants, who have created and equipped their positions in different areas of Idlib.

      What the Azerbaijanis needed to prove about the policy of Erdogan and Turkey in the Caucasus!

      Remember the fairy tale "How the cunning Fox shared cheese between two greedy cubs"?
      Oh, there were good Soviet films in the USSR for children !!!

      "Two Greedy Bear Cubs" 1954 (See from 6:30 min)
      1. MTN
        MTN 9 November 2020 11: 56
        -5
        Quote: Tatiana
        What the Azerbaijanis needed to prove about the policy of Erdogan and Turkey in the Caucasus!

        Tatiana, are you kidding? And what do you want azerophobes were in the Caucasus? Of course, we need Turkey to be in Karabakh, because provocations of Armenians with Turkey will not work, so they will give that they will shout for another century.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 9 November 2020 12: 08
          +8
          Quote: MTN
          Of course, we need Turkey to be in Karabakh,

          To whom is this "us"?
          The impression is that you are exactly Turks by nationality, and not an Azeri at all, and you defend the interests not so much of Azerbaijan itself and the Azerbaijanis themselves, but of Turkey and the Turks.
          Maybe it's enough for you to pretend to be an Azerbaijani here. Isn't it time for you to tell the truth who you really are? Otherwise, your allegedly pro-Azerbaijani interests are already very short-sighted - two steps forward, you supposedly don't see anything!
          1. MTN
            MTN 9 November 2020 12: 31
            -3
            Quote: Tatiana
            The impression is that you are exactly Turks by nationality, and not an Azeri at all, and you defend the interests not so much of Azerbaijan itself and the Azerbaijanis themselves, but of Turkey and the Turks.

            Tanya, I am Azerbaijani and we are Turks, like Kazakhs, like Uzbeks, like Uighurs and so on. So that you understand who is who, I will explain in detail.

            1. Why should Azerbaijan dislike Turkey? A) Turkey has always been next to Azerbaijan and always defended the interests of Azerbaijan in all the stands.
            2. As an Azerbaijani, as an educated and not stupid person, I learned to distinguish between what is good and what is bad (Marshak)
            3. In the OSCE, France is the second homeland of Armenians. The US is the Armenian lobby and Russia is the master of Armenia. Do you think any of these 3 countries will also support us? We are really looking here, at the ax, we are looking at you ... you are an ardent patriot of Armenians, or you put on a Russian mask and pretend that you are Russian or you are not friends with your head. Why? There will never be an adequate Russian for an Armenian. Because they insult you not only on the street with posters, but also on sites, the administration of this site and many guys remember how I wrote and showed about it. Then they buy weapons from anyone for real money, but from Russia on credit. From childhood they teach their children that the Stavropol Territory and the Krasnodar Territory. Say no? I can show a million facts. And since the Great Patriotic War, Azerbaijan, unlike the Armenians, has not heroized the fascist next to the Russian people and has not erected a monument in Baku. We all speak Russian purely. Schools. TV. And despite everything, you keep the sides of the Armenians. Turkophobia? Azerophobia? or the Christian factor? But we are more Christians than Armenians. Our entire heritage was passed on to the Armenians. Don't go far and ask Russian tourists about Azerbaijan.

            And then, considering the above, you still wonder why Azerbaijan chose Turkey. Turkey is our fraternal country. We have the same faith and language and identity. I can't write everything here ................ because I promised the admin not to write about something, otherwise I would explain in detail xy xy xy.

            YOU CHOSE THE WRONG FRIENDS.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 9 November 2020 12: 51
              +3
              Quote: MTN
              Turkey is our fraternal country. We have the same faith and language and identity.
              YOU CHOSE THE WRONG FRIENDS.

              Turkey and Erdogan have blood on their hands up to the elbows !!!
              You contacted Turkey as an extreme state covering Al Qaeda and ISIS in BV.
              Turkey in this matter is your sponsor in Azerbaijan, which needs colonies! And Erdogan is the Turkish Hitler of 1938 in the Third Reich, only in the BV and SA, as well as in the Mediterranean.

              How can you let a bandit into your house and settle in it? To make him a master by the right of a strong man in his house? And Azerbaijan will become a Turkish colony! To do this, you just need to have no head at all!

              You are simply amused now by national vanity. What's next? Then you will turn into Turkish Nazis.
              1. MTN
                MTN 9 November 2020 13: 04
                -5
                Quote: Tatiana
                Turkey and Erdogan have blood on their hands up to the elbows !!!

                For example?

                Quote: Tatiana
                You contacted Turkey as an extreme state covering Al Qaeda and ISIS in BV.

                The USSR created the PKK (Kurds) and? So everyone has enough sin. I didn't list much. I hope someone will write to you.

                Quote: Tatiana
                Turkey in this business is your sponsor in Azerbaijan!

                SO EVERYTHING !!!!
                This concludes the conversation with you. You are not fixable and, moreover, an amateur in these events. I'll calm my nerves. Farewell. Do me a favor from now on, not me, you don't, don't write to me .............

                PS. Better shut up, maybe you’ll be smart. Azerbaijan does not need sponsorship. Azerbaijan feeds Turkey and not vice versa. All good luck.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 9 November 2020 13: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: MTN
                  Azerbaijan does not need sponsorship. Azerbaijan feeds Turkey and not vice versa.

                  Azerbaijan feeds Turkey - how exactly does the colony feed its metropolis or will it feed!
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                3. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 9 November 2020 14: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: MTN
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Turkey and Erdogan have blood on their hands up to the elbows !!!
                  For example?

                  Well, you are just like a "holy" naivete!
                  For example, watch the summary video below, especially from 33:00 min. and from 41:00 min.!
                  Besides, the friend of my enemy is also my enemy!

                  Turkey: Vassal of Great Britain | New facts about transfer of militants to Nagorno-Karabakh | SMERSH: 6 nov. 2020 year
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 November 2020 20: 37
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      Friend (Erdogan) in trouble will not leave
      He won’t ask too much ...
      This is what it means, a true faithful friend!

      I will answer you with words from the film Djeltelmena of Fortune, in relation to Edik Erdogan (that is, the treatment of the Most Serene Khan of the Great Caliphate), don't you think that your place is at the side? fellow
  2. Tank hard
    Tank hard 9 November 2020 10: 48
    +7
    Turkish media reported that the Turkish president, having addressed his Russian counterpart, proposed to create a joint working group on Nagorno-Karabakh. According to Erdogan, the creation of such a working group would help stop the armed conflict in the South Caucasus.

    Why would it be if Azerbaijan is already winning? recourse
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 9 November 2020 11: 05
      +5
      Quote: Tank Hard
      Turkish media reported that the Turkish president, having addressed his Russian counterpart, proposed to create a joint working group on Nagorno-Karabakh. According to Erdogan, the creation of such a working group would help stop the armed conflict in the South Caucasus.

      Why would it be if Azerbaijan is already winning? recourse

      Yes, they are tired of winning. Why do they need the Glory of the Winners? But seriously, not everything looks as "Excellent" as in the victorious reports of the Azerbaijani side!
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 9 November 2020 11: 06
        +3
        Quote: Hunter 2
        But seriously, not everything looks as "Excellent" as in the victorious reports of the Azerbaijani side!

        Apparently so. request
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 9 November 2020 11: 13
        +6
        Quote: Hunter 2
        not everything is so "Excellent"

        By the way, there was a rumor that European partners do not want to recommend a vacation in Turkey to their citizens, and categorically. At the same time, in the Russian Federation, they believe that too many citizens are infected with covid on vacation in Turkey, they can take measures that are also categorical. Maybe that's the salt? hi
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 9 November 2020 11: 21
          +4
          It is impossible to prohibit leaving, our talented alternative compatriots manage to get to Turkey through neighboring countries. You just need to warn you - if you want to go, you go at your own peril and risk ... and not send Ministry of Emergency Situations planes for them when an outbreak is confirmed in any hotel. hi
        2. Ural resident
          Ural resident 9 November 2020 12: 19
          +3
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Quote: Hunter 2
          not everything is so "Excellent"

          By the way, there was a rumor that European partners do not want to recommend a vacation in Turkey to their citizens, and categorically. At the same time, in the Russian Federation, they believe that too many citizens are infected with covid on vacation in Turkey, they can take measures that are also categorical. Maybe that's the salt? hi

          For me, travel to Turkey should be limited for so long. And by the way, entry too, Turkish workers are now not uncommon in the vastness of Russia. Let anyone who wants to get through other countries. It was like after the downed plane, nothing - everyone rebuilt. It would also be nice to remove Turkish Airlines, but we have Erdogan as a friend and partner. There were two reasons to send our tourists to the beaches in the summer: 1 - so that the people relax and not rebel, someone is very afraid of him; 2 - give a dear friend to earn extra money for their country, you look kinder ..
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 9 November 2020 12: 26
            +3
            Quote: Resident of the Urals
            And by the way, entry too, Turkish workers are now not uncommon in the vastness of Russia.

            Here, after all, this is the case, there is already a proven fact (the head of France, the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation, reported, but at their level, such statements are not thrown) of the presence of Babakhs on the territory of Azerbaijan and in Karabakh. And who will guarantee that these thugs disguised as Azerbaijani citizens will not try to enter the territory of the Russian Federation with malicious purposes? How can I check them? Who can be in the diasporas on the territory of the Russian Federation? So it goes... repeat
          2. MTN
            MTN 9 November 2020 13: 06
            -3
            Quote: Resident of the Urals
            For me, it is so long ago that I have to limit travel to Turkey

            And what will you do if Turkey closes the strait in return? What will you do if your oil doesn't go through their pipe? And many many others. He will simply face off with NATO and will be in support of NATO on the territory of the Caucasus, while Azerbaijan will provide them with a base. What will you do then?

            Write nonsense like schoolchildren. It's good that smart people are in power.
            1. times
              times 9 November 2020 14: 00
              16
              Quote: MTN
              what will you do if Turkey closes the strait in return?

              This will mean that between Turkey and Russia already there is a war. That is, this condition is not suitable as an example. The rest is more likely.
            2. Pavlos Melas
              Pavlos Melas 9 November 2020 18: 18
              0
              And what will you do if Turkey closes the strait in return?

              While the straits will be minimized, they will cease to be Turkish, and as a maximum they will become Russian. hi
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 9 November 2020 11: 47
      +4
      Quote: Tank Hard
      Why would it be if Azerbaijan is already winning?

      Interethnic conflict is not a game of backgammon, we played and went home. After victory, you will also have to defend what you have won. Without a guarantor of peace, the process can drag on indefinitely. Wangui that there will be a demand for peacekeepers.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 9 November 2020 11: 49
        +1
        Quote: Polite Elk
        After victory, you will also have to defend what you have won. Without a guarantor of peace, the process can drag on indefinitely. Wangui that there will be a demand for peacekeepers.

        Everything is possible. hi
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 9 November 2020 12: 15
        0
        Quote: Polite Elk
        Wangui that there will be a demand for peacekeepers.

        it is doubtful that the UN Security Council will take a decision to hold a PKO in Karabakh.
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 9 November 2020 12: 39
          +2
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          it is doubtful that the UN Security Council will take a decision to hold a PKO in Karabakh.

          And what has the UN to do with it? The UN was blown away long ago. The peacekeepers may not necessarily be international and international. The main thing is to be interested in the process. And here, as they say, not everything is so simple. I will express my personal opinion on the development of the situation:
          1. If the plans of the leadership of the Russian Federation included intervention in the conflict with the aim of ending it, they would have intervened long ago.
          2. In addition to Turkey, there is no willingness to get involved either economically or militarily.
          3. After some time, Armenia will draw conclusions from what is happening, stock up on the UAV in all available sources and start sluggishly (or maybe not sluggishly) and methodically take out the armored vehicles, infantry and cavalry of Azerbaijan, controlling the UAV from its territory. At the same time, the peacekeepers will fall into the batch. The attempts of the peacekeepers to visit the Armenians "to visit" and "stop the outrages" will bury themselves in the CSTO and our military base.
          4. I believe that by this time Pashinyan will already be engaged in another type of activity, and the further course of events will depend on what the new Armenian leader will territorially claim and what he will be ready to offer.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 9 November 2020 13: 13
            0
            Quote: Polite Elk
            And what has the UN to do with it?

            The UN issues a PKO mandate and manages the budget for operations.
            Quote: Polite Elk
            The UN was blown away long ago.

            She was not blown away anywhere. As a screen or administrative authority (in this case) it is quite viable.
            Quote: Polite Elk
            The peacekeepers may not necessarily be international and international.

            and which ones?
            Quote: Polite Elk
            The attempts of the peacekeepers to visit the Armenians "on a visit" and "stop the ugliness" will bury themselves in the CSTO and our military base.

            with what fright they climb and bump? The buffer zone will be marked. It is not the responsibility of the peacekeepers to "stop the disgrace," the condition for the introduction of the IS is the cessation of hostilities and the consent of the parties.
            Quote: Polite Elk
            what territorially the new Armenian leader will claim and what he will be ready to offer.

            yes, he will not claim anything. With fallen kidneys, you need a hospital duck, not Borjomi. This is, of course, in the version "AZ won" and complete de-occupation. To be honest, I hardly believe in such an outcome. It will probably be beneficial for someone to leave this outhouse in the status of a frozen hot spot in order to throw yeast there at the right time.
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 9 November 2020 13: 37
              0
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              UN issues mandate to conduct PKO

              Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Ethiopia. How many mandates have the UN issued? And what is the international status of the American and Turkish "peacekeepers" in Syria? Yes, and ours went there by invitation, not by a UN mandate.
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              The buffer zone will be marked.

              Will be. And it will adjoin the borders of Armenia, beyond which the CSTO. And in this zone there will be Turkish peacekeepers, and Armenian UAVs. With all that it implies.
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              It will probably be beneficial for someone to leave this outhouse in the status of a frozen hot spot in order to throw yeast there at the right time.

              Everything will depend on the vector of friendship of the Armenian leadership. hi
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 9 November 2020 14: 14
                0
                Quote: Polite Elk
                Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Ethiopia. How many mandates have the UN issued?

                And what have these countries to do with in the context of peacekeeping? You really do not replace the concept. Military operations or peacekeeping operations - decide first. Peace enforcement is not the prerogative of the UN ICJ. In addition, there was a corresponding UN resolution regarding ISIS in Syria and Iraq.
                Quote: Polite Elk
                And it will adjoin the borders of Armenia, beyond which the CSTO.

                So what? Will Armenia be Threatened by Aggression by Peacekeeping Forces? CSTO will protect Armenians from blue helmets, or what?
                1. Polite Moose
                  Polite Moose 9 November 2020 14: 43
                  0
                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  And what have these countries to do with in the context of peacekeeping?

                  In all of the above countries, hostilities are being waged. And where is this UN and the peacekeepers asked? In Syria, the UN is playing with only one goal. America, Turkey and Israel do not feel any embarrassment from the UN in their actions.
                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Will Armenia be Threatened by Aggression by Peacekeeping Forces? CSTO will protect Armenians from blue helmets, or what?

                  In your opinion (a couple of posts above), the UN will not issue a mandate for a PKO in NK. This means that the appropriate peacekeepers will come. No blue helmets. As it seems to me personally, except for the Turks, hardly anyone will climb there (but here I could be mistaken). And then the Turks will establish buffer zones and control them. And then they are surprised to learn that UAVs can be assembled not only in the Ottoman Empire. So, it would be more accurate to say that the Turkish peacekeeping forces will be threatened by aggression from Armenia. Or do you think that having lost NK and the adjacent territories, the Armenians nobly admit their defeat, break the sword over their knees and everything will calm down?
                  Sadly, but the mess there for a long time (I really want to be mistaken in this). Well, again, all my reasoning is based on the assumption that Azerbaijan will take NK. hi
                  1. Peter rybak
                    Peter rybak 9 November 2020 20: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: Polite Moose
                    Or do you think that having lost NK and the adjacent territories, the Armenians nobly admit their defeat, break the sword over their knees and everything will calm down?
                    Sadly, but the mess there for a long time (I really want to be mistaken in this). Well, again, all my reasoning is based on the assumption that Azerbaijan will take NK. hi

                    Hello! I do not argue that the mess can drag on.
                    But here the question arises: will Armenia's further actions to continue the turmoil look like aggression against another state?
                    Neither Turkish nor Russian peacekeeping forces will be there, because the Armenian population has left and is leaving Karabakh. Accordingly, why are peacekeepers? Both Russia and, God forgive me, the UN recognize this territory as an integral part of Azerbaijan. It is possible to introduce any contingent, be it Turkish or Norwegian, only with the consent of Azerbaijan. Do you think that Aliyev did not think about it? He understands very well that the arrival of Turkish peacekeepers will not be complete without the presence of a Russian one. In the short term, this is not bad. But in the long term, this will sooner or later lead to a conflict between Turkey and Russia, at least on the basis of provocations. And this conflict will take place on the territory of Azerbaijan. Aliev thought it all over. He knows that Russia will not agree to the presence of its peacekeepers in parallel with the Turkish ones. Turkey can offer anything. Russia is not up to it.
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                      1. Peter rybak
                        Peter rybak 9 November 2020 21: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Polite Moose

                        And good day to you! hi It seems to me that Russia will hardly recognize NK as an Azerbaijani territory. This will mean a tough confrontation with Armenia. I am at a loss to say about the UN. I know for sure that Armenia does not recognize.

                        Considering how unprofitable it is for Azerbaijan and the recognition that it was they who shot down the helicopter, it makes you wonder how it happened. I am even sure that the guilty will be punished to the seventh generation, even if the world is not informed about it.
                        As for the recognition or non-recognition of Karabakh, I will quote one quote:

                        The Russian Federation does not recognize Nagorno-Karabakh as an independent state. This was stated at a briefing on Thursday, April 9, by the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova, answering a question about the fact that the so-called "presidential" and "parliamentary" elections were held on March 31 in the self-proclaimed Nagorno-Karabakh.
                        Zakharova recalled that with regard to the "elections" held in Nagorno-Karabakh on March 31, there is a statement by the co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group, which, in addition to Russia, also includes the United States and France.
                        The statement of the Minsk Group emphasized that no co-chair country or other country would recognize Nagorno-Karabakh as an independent and sovereign state.
                        "The co-chairs do not recognize the results of these" elections "as a factor of influence on the legal status of Nagorno-Karabakh. The results will in no way affect the latest status of Nagorno-Karabakh or the continuation of the negotiation process and the resolution of the conflict peacefully."

                        And the legal status of Karabakh today is an autonomous region within the Republic of Azerbaijan.
                        Hence my questions about the further mess followed.
                      2. Polite Moose
                        Polite Moose 9 November 2020 22: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Peter Rybak
                        Hence my questions about the further mess followed.

                        I tried to answer - the post was deleted. recourse
                      3. Peter rybak
                        Peter rybak 9 November 2020 22: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Polite Moose
                        Quote: Peter Rybak
                        Hence my questions about the further mess followed.

                        I tried to answer - the post was deleted. recourse

                        Let's assume that I guessed what this post was about. laughing
                      4. Polite Moose
                        Polite Moose 9 November 2020 22: 29
                        0
                        Quote: Peter Rybak
                        Let's assume that I guessed what this post was about.

                        You even partially quoted him. Take a look above. How the cow licked her tongue.
  • MTN
    MTN 9 November 2020 11: 57
    -3
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Why would it be if Azerbaijan is already winning?

    The influence will now be decided.
  • MTN
    MTN 9 November 2020 12: 09
    -2
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Why would it be if Azerbaijan is already winning?

    Azerbaijan's position is very correct. Only the presence of Turkey in Karabakh (in the form of peacekeepers) will guarantee that the Armenians will behave themselves quietly. Turkey will not even need to be punished in cases of provocation, just 150 illegal Armenians from Turkey will vanish and their song will be sung.

    Victory is one thing, and another thing is to develop infrastructure, agriculture, factories and plants there. And this, without a guarantee of safety, will be another task. And if there are Turkish troops in Karabakh, then you can already build a country. Alas, our neighbor does not know what the world is.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 9 November 2020 12: 15
      +1
      Quote: MTN
      Only the presence of Turkey in Karabakh (in the form of peacekeepers) will give guarantees that the Armenians will behave quietly

      On this occasion, about Turkey, here's a video, but I don't know if you will understand ..
      1. MTN
        MTN 9 November 2020 13: 08
        0
        Quote: Tank Hard
        On this occasion, about Turkey, here's a video, but I don't know if you will understand ..

        unfortunately I can't look (technically)
    2. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 9 November 2020 13: 03
      0
      Only the presence of Turkey in Karabakh (in the form of peacekeepers) will guarantee that the Armenians will behave quietly.

      The only thing left is to ask permission from ... Add it yourself.
      With respect!
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 9 November 2020 14: 17
      +1
      Quote: MTN
      Only the presence of Turkey in Karabakh (in the form of peacekeepers) will guarantee that the Armenians will behave quietly.

      you, my friend, poured all your previous pathos into the toilet. There he actually belongs.
      Quote: MTN
      And if there are Turkish troops in Karabakh, then we can already build a country. Have

      go squeeze out of yourself a slave into a hospital duck, keyboard warrior. Factories, damn it, he's going to build ...
  • genisis
    genisis 9 November 2020 10: 49
    +7
    Yes, he has been proposing this option for at least the third time, and he knows perfectly well in advance what will be sent by the forest.
    1. MTN
      MTN 9 November 2020 11: 58
      -4
      Quote: genisis
      Yes, he has been proposing this option for at least the third time, and he knows perfectly well in advance what will be sent by the forest.

      You will find yourself in the forest, David. More precisely, they have already appeared and no one will ask you. You are nobody in geopolitics. All international projects bypassing you are decided. You do not decide anything even in the country between the levels, and if you want to decide what awaits you, you know perfectly well.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 9 November 2020 14: 20
        -1
        Quote: MTN
        You are nobody in geopolitics.

        laughing Yes you, azz, are the same empty, why are you puffing up your cheeks? The very same comment above admitted that you are without the Turks - it sucks. Neither win nor hold.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 9 November 2020 10: 52
    +7
    Turkey needs an official presence in the South Caucasus, and even under an international agreement. Well, there the whole hand will follow the finger.
    1. MTN
      MTN 9 November 2020 12: 00
      -3
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Turkey needs an official presence in the South Caucasus, and even under an international agreement. Well, there the whole hand will follow the finger.

      You are right except for the last sentence. Don't you think that Turkey will trample higher?) Nonsense. The maximum that Turkey can do is create an analogue of the CSTO only from the Turkic Union and the Turks really want this. I repeat TURKI and not only TURKI.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 9 November 2020 12: 38
        +2
        I did not write about the above. And the fact that Turkey wants to officially settle, at least for a start, in Azerbaijan is a fact: there is Armenia, Georgia ..
        I repeat TURKI and not only TURKI.
        Oh, the great power flooded .. smile as in 1918 ... in the era of the Musavist government ... smile In Ukraine, the Sumerians are coming out, we have the Aryans-Tartaria smile you have great torques ... well, well .. smile it turns out that it is transmitted by airborne droplets .. laughing
      2. Alexander Kopychev
        Alexander Kopychev 9 November 2020 13: 07
        0
        The CSTO is already sufficiently represented by Tyurks, join us. hi
    2. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 9 November 2020 12: 06
      +3
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Well, and then the finger and the whole hand will follow.

      Well, yes, if this is allowed, then the next proposal from Turkey will be a proposal for a "settlement" of Crimea. No.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 November 2020 10: 54
    +6
    Erdogan intends to extend the practice of Turkey's military presence to the South Caucasus
    This is how Turkish experts have been talking about this for a long time. Now Erdogan, considering himself the most cunning, decided against the background of the success of the Azerbaijani army to make an offer from which Russia, in his opinion, cannot refuse. Something suggests that he did not guess right.
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 9 November 2020 10: 55
    +7
    "a group on Karabakh -" like on Idlib ""
    According to Idlib, the group is really created and is operating.
    This is the Russian Aerospace Forces and the SAA.
    Acts methodically and progressively.
    The areas of action of the pro-Turkish militants are shrinking.
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    1. ANB
      ANB 9 November 2020 11: 03
      +1
      What to do? Report to the prosecutor's office about your post? Management K does not sleep.
      1. Horvat
        Horvat 9 November 2020 11: 14
        -2
        Fear for slaves is a common occurrence! If in reality Russia needs a tough military dictatorship, this is the only way the country will preserve its integrity!
        1. Peter rybak
          Peter rybak 9 November 2020 20: 24
          -1
          Quote: Horvat
          Fear for slaves is a common occurrence! If in reality Russia needs a tough military dictatorship, this is the only way the country will preserve its integrity!

          Listen, don't drive a blizzard where you don't need it. There is something clever to say, say it. I live in Bashkortostan. Here people live quietly and peacefully. There is a small tremor in the water, but it passes quickly.
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 9 November 2020 11: 04
      +4
      Quote: Horvat
      with such a power, soon Bashkortostan from Tatarstan and the North Caucasus will begin to separate, although it has long been necessary to create one

      Your application falls under article 280.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Do you think you are writing?
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        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 9 November 2020 11: 08
          +3
          Quote: Horvat
          Smart people always listen to the truth and make conclusions!

          You can see it .. repeat
      2. Bessik
        Bessik 9 November 2020 11: 18
        +4
        Of course he thinks, then when the speaking mouth is taken by the testicles, they will scream about the regime and the total prohibition of freedom of speech)
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 9 November 2020 11: 20
          +3
          Quote: Bessik
          Of course he thinks, then when the speaking mouth is taken by the testicles, they will scream about the regime and the total prohibition of freedom of speech)

          If you have something to say ... request
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  • the finish
    the finish 9 November 2020 11: 04
    -3
    video available in TG:
    Aliyev said that the Azerbaijani Armed Forces could have hit the church in Shushi twice by mistake
    The BBC journalist asks Aliyev how your Armed Forces could hit the church in Shushi twice by mistake and what about the investigation that Aliyev allegedly promised to carry out in order to punish the military for the mistake.
    To which Aliyev replies that in order to conduct an investigation, they must be in place and in general "this is a provocation of the Armenians."
    1. MTN
      MTN 9 November 2020 12: 14
      -2
      Quote: finish
      Aliyev said that the Azerbaijani Armed Forces could have hit the church in Shushi twice by mistake

      I really do not like the one-sided position of the local users. Aliyev also spoke culturally, in Aliyev's place I would have smashed everything that reminds of the Armenians. Why? Because ....



      Why don't you write about the vandalism of Armenians? Why don't you write about how the Armenians are destroying the ancient cemetery?



      Why don't you say that pigs are kept in mosques. Ishil has a rest compared to Armenians.

      Why are you silent about this ????????????????????????
  • flicker
    flicker 9 November 2020 11: 08
    +3
    The Turkish media have not reported on Vladimir Putin's reaction to this proposal by the Turkish president.
    laughing and why, by the way, do they not report? laughing
    ---
    Political Turkey in its current form is an Anglo-Saxon GOLEM, which was created for a strictly defined goal and when this goal is achieved, the golem will die safely.
    ---
    What is the point of talking to a golem, if we talk to the owner of this golem.
  • Stavros
    Stavros 9 November 2020 11: 11
    +2
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: Horvat
    with such a power, soon Bashkortostan from Tatarstan and the North Caucasus will begin to separate, although it has long been necessary to create one

    Your application falls under article 280.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Do you think you are writing?

    I dare to assure you that he not only thinks, but also desires it.
  • Naughty
    Naughty 9 November 2020 11: 13
    +5
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Turkish media reported that the Turkish president, having addressed his Russian counterpart, proposed to create a joint working group on Nagorno-Karabakh. According to Erdogan, the creation of such a working group would help stop the armed conflict in the South Caucasus.

    Why would it be if Azerbaijan is already winning? recourse


    Yes, early on, Aliyev began to lick the soles of the Turks. Not a fig Shusha has not been taken yet and these idiots were running around Baku with flags yesterday. I looked at the map of Shusha 3 thousand population Azerbaijanis are trying to take everything without fault. All these hundreds of villages that they liberated are just ruins of 2 years ago. And they only sat on Azeri maps. They write that in Moscow and St. Petersburg they also tried to ride in wheelbarrows with the flags of Turkey and Azerbaijan. But they were quickly assigned to the point for deportation. These idiots probably do not remember that in the archives we still have instructions on how to quickly resettle peoples. There is a lot of work laughing
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 9 November 2020 20: 25
      -2
      Quote: Vzdrincher
      Quote: Tank Hard
      Turkish media reported that the Turkish president, having addressed his Russian counterpart, proposed to create a joint working group on Nagorno-Karabakh. According to Erdogan, the creation of such a working group would help stop the armed conflict in the South Caucasus.

      Why would it be if Azerbaijan is already winning? recourse


      Yes, early on, Aliyev began to lick the soles of the Turks. Not a fig Shusha has not been taken yet and these idiots were running around Baku with flags yesterday. I looked at the map of Shusha 3 thousand population Azerbaijanis are trying to take everything without fault. All these hundreds of villages that they liberated are just ruins of 2 years ago. And they only sat on Azeri maps. They write that in Moscow and St. Petersburg they also tried to ride in wheelbarrows with the flags of Turkey and Azerbaijan. But they were quickly assigned to the point for deportation. These idiots probably do not remember that in the archives we still have instructions on how to quickly resettle peoples. There is a lot of work laughing

      Along the way, you turned out to be a fool. Shusha is liberated.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 9 November 2020 11: 17
    +3
    An interesting trick. Does Aliyev even understand that with this proposal (if there really is a place to be) Erdogan's "brother" fucked him into his "brotherly" loins, reducing him to a third-rate rug at his door? Where are the local AZs whining about the independence and genius of their godfather? Here in ecstasy, I remember, they clucked about the international authority of Aliyev.
  • Stavros
    Stavros 9 November 2020 11: 50
    +1
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Where are the local AZs whining about the independence and genius of their godfather? Here in ecstasy, I remember, they clucked about the international authority of Aliyev.

    Apparently they realized that their commander-in-chief fell, with the capture of Shushi, they are holding a meeting with what arguments will appear on the site)
  • APASUS
    APASUS 9 November 2020 11: 57
    +1
    It was not possible to agree on Syria with Erdogan, why do they think that they will agree on Karabakh? In Syria, Erdogan is looking for his own truth and the difference in understanding the meaning of the treaty is colossal
  • flicker
    flicker 9 November 2020 12: 04
    +1
    It looks like the Turks are dumping Aliyev.
    Turks are running a military company in Karabakh.
    Aliyev was informed that Shusha was taken, Aliyev informed the people, the Azerbaijani people managed to experience the joy of victory. If this is followed by a bummer, then psychologically it will be extremely difficult to survive it, without surviving the accusations against Aliyev will begin.
    If, for example, Shusha has resisted, the people will blame Aliyev for this.
    ---
    In fact, this will be a political verdict for Aliyev.
    In his place is likely to rise to a protege of Turkey. And then all the revenues of Azerbaijan from the sale of oil and gas will begin to replenish the treasury of Turkey, not Azerbaijan.
    ---
    The Turks could have deliberately set up Aliyev with the capture of Shushi.
    Azerbaijanis need to rally around Aliyev and prevent his overthrow by the Turks (who, among other things, are now doing the will of the Anglo-Saxons).
    ---
    The same applies to Armenians now. Pashinyan (and Sarkisian as well) do not work for the interests of Armenia, but rather against its interests.
    ---
    As a result, the war in which most of the best representatives of the peoples of Armenia and Azerbaijan perish.
  • iouris
    iouris 9 November 2020 12: 13
    +3
    The next proposal will be - the transfer of Crimea and the partition of Ukraine.
  • zollstab
    zollstab 9 November 2020 12: 18
    +1
    All the events of this war were sharpened under such a scenario. Turkey systematically and under various pretexts, one of which is a statement about the brotherhood of peoples and a single faith, forcing its influence on countries where they have an interest, blackmailing political opponents. Many sag under the "New Sultan". There are many examples of this, and the last one is the war unleashed by him in Karabakh. But many misunderstood the true meaning of this war, treated it like a TV show. And the result came out unexpectedly. Read the fourth paragraph of this article carefully. Bravo "Sultan"!
  • Stavros
    Stavros 9 November 2020 12: 28
    +2
    Quote: Tatiana
    Quote: MTN
    Of course, we need Turkey to be in Karabakh,

    To whom is this "us"?
    It seems that you are a Turk by nationality, and not an Azerbaijani.

    Tatyana, he is a Cavtatar, he is just one of those Cavtars who have already understood that they are nothing without the Turks, and that is why the Turks always come.
  • AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 9 November 2020 12: 36
    +2
    Turkish media: Erdogan proposed to Putin to create a joint group on Karabakh - "like on Idlib",
    So why should we patrol Karabakh together with the Turks? Let Pashinyan and Aliyev agree on joint patrolling. The Turks generally lost their shores.
    1. iouris
      iouris 9 November 2020 12: 52
      +1
      Quote: Ash Poseidon
      The Turks generally lost their shores.

      Erdogan will take whatever he is allowed to take.
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 9 November 2020 12: 47
    +1
    The Sultan climbs without soap ...

    "" ... There are spies with a strong body, -
    You have them at the door - they are at the window!
    Say what's up with this thing
    We finished long ago.

    But they can act not directly:
    Shast in a compartment - and pretend to be a man -
    And she will apply tola under the corset.
    Check what gender your neighbor is! ... "
  • Polymer
    Polymer 9 November 2020 13: 04
    +1
    Erdogan proposed to Putin to create a joint group on Karabakh - "like on Idlib"

    So, purely theoretically, from a "sofa" position: why not support the Turkish Kurds in their struggle for independence, and then offer Erdogan to create a joint group "like in Idlib"?
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 9 November 2020 13: 19
    -2
    Erdik realized that "the case smells like kerosene" and now he is thinking how to get off this "rotten topic")))
  • Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 9 November 2020 20: 26
    14
    Turkey has already come close to the neighboring direction.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 9 November 2020 21: 07
    +1
    Turkish media: Erdogan proposed to Putin to create a joint group on Karabakh - "like on Idlib"
    Ay jzhigit, ay maladets! That is, to consolidate the presence of Turks in Azerbaijan? Only in Idlib, the Russian Federation, by invitation, and hands are generally not shackled, periodically, using tools in the form of a Su-34, you can cool someone down, but you can't do that in a non-profit organization. sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 9 November 2020 21: 11
    +2
    Quote: Polymer
    Erdogan proposed to Putin to create a joint group on Karabakh - "like on Idlib"

    So, purely theoretically, from a "sofa" position: why not support the Turkish Kurds in their struggle for independence, and then offer Erdogan to create a joint group "like in Idlib"?

    And this should have been done earlier - not to crumple "Faberge", but to solve geopolitical issues. But if the "faberge" is in the hands of the "partners", then what is the "bazaar" about? winked