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Kravchuk announced that Minsk negotiation process on Donbass may be closed

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Kravchuk announced that Minsk negotiation process on Donbass may be closed

Former President of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk, who is the head of the Ukrainian delegation as part of the so-called Trilateral Contact Group (TCG) on the settlement in Donbass, gave another interview about the negotiation process.


According to Kravchuk, it is necessary "to close the Minsk process if Ukraine continues to be led by the nose on it." Kravchuk added that he would persuade “his own” to look for new international formats for discussing the issue.

The first president of Ukraine added that for Kiev "peace is the most important thing", and Kiev itself in the Minsk format "hears only accusations from the other side."

At the same time, Kravchuk pointedly added that in this case he expresses his personal opinion, and not the opinion of the current president of Ukraine.

In an interview with TC "Ukraine 24", Kravchuk's theses were further developed by the adviser of the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG Alexey Arestovich. According to him, Russia "must accept an updated Ukrainian plan" for the settlement in Donbass. Arestovich added that "the Russians must understand that the work of the contact group can be blocked if the Ukrainian plan is not adopted or a compromise plan is not worked out on its basis."

Returning to the statements of Kravchuk, which are published TASS, now Ukraine insists on changing the order of items in the Minsk agreements. The ex-president said that "a lot has changed since 2015, and therefore requires changes in the document on agreements."

It turns out that Ukraine is always ready to ignore the agreements, and then demand their revision, since "a lot has changed since their conclusion." Interesting logic ...

Kravchuk a few days earlier (in another interview with Ukrainian media):

Donbass should not be cut off, but returned.

Meanwhile, shelling resumed in the Donbas. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are shelling the territory of the DPR in several directions, including Donetsk.
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 9 November 2020 06: 22
    31
    Some kind of surrealism belay it turns out to lead Ukraine by the nose? Something new in Psychiatry ...
    The only thing I agree with is that Donbas needs to be returned, not to Ukraine, but to Russia!
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 9 November 2020 06: 28
      +9
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Some kind of surrealism belay it turns out to lead Ukraine by the nose? Something new in Psychiatry ...
      The only thing I agree with is that Donbas needs to be returned, not to Ukraine, but to Russia!


      Nothing new No., fell from a sore head to a healthy one - fool - himself fool
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 9 November 2020 15: 38
        0
        It is simply pointless to comment on Kravchuk: his sophisticated, cunning and sneaky mind simply gushes with various dirty tricks and lies.

        But you need to be ready for the "closure of the Minsk agreements" and lightning-fast actions. But all this is Kravchuk's chatter ...
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 9 November 2020 15: 53
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          It is simply pointless to comment on Kravchuk: his sophisticated, cunning and sneaky mind simply gushes with various dirty tricks and lies.

          And we have a BOLT with a large thread for his resourcefulness.
    2. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 9 November 2020 06: 38
      +7
      Aggravation, against the background of Biden's "election" in the states?
      1. Evil543
        Evil543 9 November 2020 07: 02
        +5
        Plus the tone is set by Azerbaijan in Karabakh.
      2. 41 REGION
        41 REGION 9 November 2020 08: 57
        0
        Quote: Ded_Mazay
        Aggravation, against the background of Biden's "election" in the states?

        I'm even afraid to imagine Biden's diagnosis laughing , transmitted over long distances belay It can be treated, but only surgically
        1. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 9 November 2020 11: 18
          +1
          Quote: 41 REGION
          I'm even afraid to imagine Biden's diagnosis

          As one journalist put it, "an exhibition of the achievements of American pharmacology."
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 November 2020 08: 59
        +4
        Quote: Ded_Mazay
        Aggravation, against the background of Biden's "election" in the states?

        The owner returned, a holiday in Ukraine.
        1. Grits
          Grits 9 November 2020 09: 50
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          The owner returned, a holiday in Ukraine.

          Master, master has arrived!
    3. Civil
      Civil 9 November 2020 07: 05
      +6
      Kravchuk announced that Minsk negotiation process on Donbass may be closed

      Is there a process going on? Yes, everyone is already comfortable as it is, except for the residents of Donbass.
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 9 November 2020 07: 27
      +3
      If this Kravchukcha would go to retire, fish, and not climb where he does not belong! And by the nose the whole world is being led by the false pro-American puppet pseudo-government of the Uk-Royna, with its constant lies about everything!
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 November 2020 09: 01
        +2
        Quote: Thrifty
        If this Kravchukcha would go to retire, fish, and not climb where he does not belong!

        Bandera's people do not retire.
        1. frruc
          frruc 9 November 2020 12: 39
          -1
          Bandera will simply kill this old man.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 9 November 2020 15: 13
            -1
            Quote: frruc
            Bandera will simply kill this old man.

            Everything is in the hands of Allah.
            1. BDRM 667
              BDRM 667 9 November 2020 16: 20
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Everything is in the hands of Allah.

              Almighty yes
              Giving EVERYTHING and taking EVERYTHING ...
    5. Revolver
      Revolver 9 November 2020 09: 11
      +3
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Donbas needs to be returned, not to Ukraine, but to Russia!

      Donbass should be returned to Ukraine, and Ukraine - to Russia. Well, maybe with the exception of Galicia, let Austria, Hungary, and Poland fight for it. And no Ukrainian union or even an autonomous republic, only a province - Kiev, Odessa, and so on. Cultural autonomy - yes, for God's sake, those who wish can dance a hopak in embroidered shirts in their collective-farm House of Culture, and sleep on the Move - they do it beautifully.
      1. Machnamh
        Machnamh 9 November 2020 14: 25
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        And no Ukrainian union or even an autonomous republic, only a province - Kiev, Odessa, and so on.

        My dear! Are you serious? So, in your opinion, my friend, Ukraine is lower than Tuva, Dagestan, Karelia ...? Sakhi? The inhabitants of this Ukraine were asked for consent on such a territorial-administrative structure, are you my elite imperialist? This is how wedges of discord between people are driven in. People like you are driven in. Moreover, the resources of today's Russia, God forbid, for its pressing problems, would be at least half enough ... Not China and not the United States today in terms of their capacities. Unfortunately.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 10 November 2020 01: 40
          +1
          Would you like another Belovezhskaya Pushcha? Well, give everyone sovereignty who can take as much as they say to the unkind memory of EBN.
          1. Machnamh
            Machnamh 10 November 2020 09: 29
            0
            No, of course I don’t want to. In such a form as that trinity shoved me. Fed with "sovereignty". They say that no one person can learn from another person's mistakes. And one society will not learn from the mistakes of another society. If this state of affairs could be eliminated, then Paradise could have come during this lifetime. The USSR then had, it was quite possible to do just that. Take only the most positive from the adversaries, and sweep away the rest. I'm afraid the modern heiress won't do that. Although under Brezhnev, this is perhaps unlikely. In my opinion, the golden age of reforms was missed not even under Brezhnev, but under Alexander II, a hundred years earlier. Irrevocably lost.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 10 November 2020 09: 45
              0
              Quote: Machnamh
              A lot of time for reforms was lost not even under Brezhnev, but under Alexander II, a hundred years earlier.

              And in my opinion, there was no need to arrange revolutions at the height of the war. If in 1905 it was still a question whether the revolution influenced the course of the Russo-Japanese War, then in 1917 it was obvious. No matter how bad Nikolai was as the head of state, government, and Supreme Commander-in-Chief, it was precisely by the 1917 campaign. for the first time in the whole war, it was stocked up in abundance of weapons, ammunition, uniforms, and everything that the army needs for normal functioning (then it was enough for the entire Civil War, and there was still). The plans for a summer offensive on both the German and Turkish fronts were quite realistic, and it is quite possible that in the fall Nikolai, as planned, would have received the parade in Istanbul Constantinople (well, or at least Constantinople). Instead, Russia merged, the world war lasted an extra year, and in Russia, as planned by the Bolsheviks and other participants in the 3rd International, there was a transition from "imperialist war to civil".
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  3. Guards turn
    Guards turn 9 November 2020 06: 44
    15
    Kravchuk and a group of comrades managed to destroy such a powerful country as the USSR. Kravchuk, is it really so difficult for you to destroy Ukraine, apply your knowledge and skills.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 9 November 2020 07: 22
      +2
      So he doesn't know how to do anything, he just ended up in the right place at the right time, with the right positions at that time.
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 9 November 2020 07: 47
      +3
      Quote: Guards turn
      Kravchuk and a group of comrades managed to destroy such a powerful country as the USSR. Kravchuk, is it really so difficult for you to destroy Ukraine, apply your knowledge and skills.

      To me alone, Mr. - Mr. - Comrade Kravchuk reminds me of a character from the children's film KINGDOM OF CURVED MIRRORS: Yagupopa, Lately I have the impression that the Ukrainian world is Svido, the state has become Yagupop.
    3. nemez
      nemez 9 November 2020 08: 05
      0
      Before it was necessary, now he is nobody
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 9 November 2020 09: 14
      0
      Quote: Guards turn
      Kravchuk and a group of comrades, managed to destroy such a powerful country as the USSR

      Kravchuk and all the other Belovezhskaya slopes should have been planted even then. For life. At least for bunks, and even better for a count.
  4. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 9 November 2020 06: 45
    +2
    It looks like it's time to close the Kravchuk. For life.
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 9 November 2020 06: 51
      +9
      The ice ax is crying for him ...
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 9 November 2020 09: 18
        +1
        Quote: Mouse
        The ice ax is crying for him ...

        Count
  5. Puler
    Puler 9 November 2020 06: 50
    +4
    Forgot under what circumstances these conditions were accepted? The bloody confectioner Potroshenko signed to stop the advance of the LPNR troops on Kiev .. Galicians have no contract-ability. deliberately provoke retaliatory hostilities.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 November 2020 06: 54
    +3
    it is necessary to "close the Minsk process if Ukraine continues to be led by the nose on it"
    The old senile man confused all the banks. For many years Ukraine has been trying to lead Russia by the nose with Germany and France each time including "Afanas" in full.
    Donbass should not be cut off, but returned.
    It remains to try once again by force and finally get it to the full, and even with a makeweight on the impudent Ukrainian mug.
  7. nnm
    nnm 9 November 2020 06: 54
    12
    The article did not cite very important words of the same Kravchuk:
    ... Then Ukraine takes the border and the territory under its personal control, not taking any steps today that can be taken in six months to a year

    - Biden won and the go-ahead was given for the forceful participation of Ukraine in the conflict with the LPNR in order to involve Russia and the subsequent political (and not only) attack on it from the West.
    Yes, so far it is a provocative threat. But one must seriously prepare for it. We must forget about some kind of fraternal people and prepare for a serious, far from local, in comparison with the current situation, war. Moreover, the results of this war, in spite of any sanctions, should be so obvious for Ukraine that in the future everyone who wants to be anti-Russia would think for years to come.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 9 November 2020 07: 34
      +1
      Quote: nnm
      defeated Biden and given the go-ahead for the forceful participation of Ukraine in the conflict with the LPNR

      Biden will win and the go-ahead will be given, there is no need to rush, there is no new president or defense minister yet, you understand. But in general, yes, the Americans probably have a new president, a new government in general, a complete lack of stability
    2. nemez
      nemez 9 November 2020 08: 07
      0
      It won't help, it was education in the USSR, now it is not
  8. evgen1221
    evgen1221 9 November 2020 07: 20
    +1
    All sobsno what you need to know about the mentality of 404-men, mine, but more, and you go somewhere if you don't let me grab as much as you want. And for what sobsno give them preferences? The answer is for the gapak and the eyes are marvelous.
  9. Kapral Alphych
    Kapral Alphych 9 November 2020 07: 34
    +3
    Now they've got a new commander in chief out, Mr. Biden! Waters and lifted their tails into a fighting stance.
  10. K-50
    K-50 9 November 2020 07: 36
    +3
    The first president of Ukraine added that for Kiev "peace is the most important thing"

    And in something concrete it was expressed?
    Is it really in "testing drones" over the inhabitants of the LPR? belay
    Kiev in the Minsk format "hears only accusations from the other side."

    So it's reasonable!
    Convince opponents in lies, prove otherwise, Can't you? So the accusations are true and Ukraine needs to fulfill what it signed up to and assumed obligations !!! am
  11. askort154
    askort154 9 November 2020 07: 37
    -1
    If Biden takes the oath in January, then the war in Donbas will resume in spring.
    1. t-12
      t-12 9 November 2020 07: 57
      -1
      The war can resume at any time and regardless of the name of the President of the United States.
  12. soldat-tv
    soldat-tv 9 November 2020 08: 20
    +4
    Our sun face took pity on them in 14g. And it was necessary to finish off, there would be fewer problems.
  13. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 9 November 2020 08: 42
    +1
    It is high time to close this almshouse. At the same time, a kick in the ass from all Russian construction projects and gas fields - residents of the central and western regions of CEU. Stop feeding them zigzag kids.
  14. likana
    likana 9 November 2020 08: 49
    +2
    Quote: askort154
    If Biden takes the oath in January, then the war in Donbas will resume in spring.

    The war did not stop, only its format changed.
    1. askort154
      askort154 9 November 2020 09: 33
      0
      likana ...The war did not stop, only its format changed.

      Thank you enlightened. I, naive, did not notice this. But seriously, I mean the active phase of the war. Ukraine has pulled into the region everything it could and expects from the owner of the "fas" team. And the "owner" has his own problems, now they have no time for some kind of Ukraine. And since the Democrats always behave more aggressively in international politics, unlike the Republicans, then with the arrival of Biden, all hot spots around Russia are activated. The United States (Democrats) didn’t kindle the caster in Ukraine, on the borders of Russia, so that it would go out by itself. I hope this makes it clearer to you what I mean by the expression "the war will resume." hi
  15. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 9 November 2020 08: 54
    0
    Kravchuk announced ...
    mad dog
  16. beeper
    beeper 9 November 2020 08: 59
    +1
    Lyonka Telezhkin is a hypocritical weather vane and a dastardly accomplice (as well as the whole "drunken Belovezhskaya Trinity") Judas Marked! request
    And he behaves, "sensitively hesitating along with the party line (in this case, the Ameroholui w / Bandera gang of the invaders of the former Ukrainian SSR)," just as brazenly deceitful and shameless! negative

    No constructive for the peaceful resolution of the punitive "Ukrainianization" campaign (in the rebellious Donbass and throughout the amerokolony of "failed state Ukraine" - earlier, before the "Euromaidan override" in 2014, known as the Washington "project Ukraine") from the aggressive "w / Bandera" thug-marauders should not be expected, these "svidomye" parasites, "maidanno" trampling the Constitution and ameroholuiski finishing off the last remnants of the former (still Soviet) statehood, voluntarily DO NOT stop spreading rot, robbing and destroying their "unseen" working fellow citizens, alas!
  17. vit670
    vit670 9 November 2020 09: 22
    +2
    Quote: soldat-tv
    Our sun face took pity on them in 14g. And it was necessary to finish off, there would be fewer problems.

    Yes, he did not regret, but simply, he was afraid that he would not shake hands in the West!
  18. major147
    major147 9 November 2020 09: 24
    +1
    demand their revision, since "a lot has changed since their conclusion."

    Ukraine insists on changing the order of items of the Minsk agreements

    Much time has passed since the invention of the recipe for "Ukrainian borscht" and it is time to change the order of its preparation points.
    I leave the new cooking procedure for the exuberant imagination of colleagues from VO request
  19. likana
    likana 9 November 2020 10: 08
    0
    Quote: askort154
    likana ...The war did not stop, only its format changed.

    Thank you enlightened. I, naive, did not notice this. But seriously, I mean the active phase of the war. Ukraine has pulled into the region everything it could and expects from the owner of the "fas" team. And the "owner" has his own problems, now they have no time for some kind of Ukraine. And since the Democrats always behave more aggressively in international politics, unlike the Republicans, then with the arrival of Biden, all hot spots around Russia are activated. The United States (Democrats) didn’t kindle the caster in Ukraine, on the borders of Russia, so that it would go out by itself. I hope this makes it clearer to you what I mean by the expression "the war will resume." hi

    I will try ... despite the abundance of letters you found on the keyboard ...
  20. Elephant
    Elephant 9 November 2020 10: 19
    0
    Kravchuk is the most deceitful of all ex-presidents!
  21. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 9 November 2020 10: 22
    +1
    But Dedkravchuk is right, a lot has changed since 2015.
    If then Poroshenko was forced to sign a peace treaty under the threat of a successful offensive by the troops of Novorossiya, now they have nothing to be ashamed of. "Abroad" helps them. Novorossiya was buried and forgotten. LDNR are slowly fading from the inside and are showing their readiness to make concessions ...
    Everything is changing in their favor. And you have to be a fool not to take advantage of this.
  22. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 9 November 2020 17: 23
    0
    Alzheimer's came out of lethargy and Shoto seems. And the same ones are picked up and carried by the wind.
  23. Phoenix040
    Phoenix040 9 November 2020 23: 37
    +1
    It is high time for the Russian Federation to stop participating in the Bandera booth in Minsk. To no avail from these negotiations, the UKROPs only need the complete surrender of the Russians, while the Russian Federation and its population do not need it.
  24. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 10 November 2020 01: 45
    0
    It turns out that Ukraine is always ready to ignore the agreements, and then demand their revision, since "a lot has changed since their conclusion." Interesting logic ...

    I also don't understand why Ukraine does not comply with the Minsk agreements, and sanctions are being introduced against Russia !!))) wink