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Sixth Generation and Raider: US Accelerates Development of Future Combat Aircraft

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America is watching with bated breath the aftermath of the presidential election. One thing is for sure: whoever the Stars and Stripes leader is likely to have no impact on key defense programs. The only exception is a full-fledged civil war. However, the likelihood of this, despite numerous frightening forecasts, so far, fortunately, is not great (although, again, nothing can be ruled out).


Be that as it may, both Republicans and Democrats understand that in the future there will be a difficult military-technical competition with the PRC, and this requires, first of all, the latest aircraft and advanced aviation means of destruction.

Recently, more and more people are talking about two key promising projects at once: the development of a sixth generation fighter and the creation of a promising strategic bomber known as the B-21 Raider. First of all, the discussion concerns the likely timing of the introduction of these machines into service.

Strategic bomber


The B-21 bomber, sometimes (presumably wrongly) referred to as the "B-3", will be the loudest premiere in the field of combat aviation in the coming years. And this is not only about the United States (USA). Of the three "strategists" of the future (which also includes the Russian PAK DA and the Chinese Xian H-20), it is he who "risks" being the first to be born.


It is not known for certain what the new car will be. The available materials suggest that the B-21 will be a stealthy subsonic aircraft based on a "flying wing" aerodynamic design. Most often it is considered as a “cheaper” (and also sometimes as a “reduced”) analogue of the B-2 Spirit, since at a price of more than two billion dollars per plane, it turned out to be “unaffordable” even for the USA, which was limited to a series of two a dozen of these aircraft.

When can we expect the appearance of the "Raider" (B-21 "Raider")? Previously, information about the acceleration of the development of the aircraft appeared several times. Last year, speaking at an event hosted by The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, US Air Force Deputy Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Stephen W. Wilson announced a "countdown" function on a wristwatch that shows the moment Raider's first flight. It turned out the beginning of December 2021.

However, the "miracle" did not happen: the coronavirus pandemic intervened in the plans here too. In September, the publication Janes (US Air Force delays first B-21 flight), citing data from the US Air Force (USAF), reported that the first flight of the B-21 (the Northrop Grumman B-21 Raider) would take place no earlier than 2022 of the year.

In addition to the epidemic, there is another important factor that should also not be written off from the account. It is about the complexity of the program and the associated technical risks. Of course, no one has as much experience in developing stealth strategic bombers as Northrop Grumman (she is the one who creates the B-21). However, as practice shows, no one is immune from problems.


As for the commissioning of the aircraft, the data on commissioning in the mid-2020s appearing in the open media seems overly optimistic. A more realistic time frame is the end of a decade or even the beginning of the 2030s. One way or another, the first flight model of the B-21 began to be built back in 2019 and, most likely, we will see the plane in the next few years.

The Sixth Generation


An even more important program (or rather, in the case of the West: programs) is the development of a sixth generation fighter. Such complexes are likely to become the basis of the national security of the future, not counting, of course, the nuclear triad.

It is noteworthy that until recently the United States seemed to be "outsiders" in this direction, which were losing not only to Great Britain (developing the Tempest fighter) and the conditional Franco-German alliance (developing the Future Combat Air System), but also to China.

That all changed in September when Dr. Will Roper, Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Acquisition, announced testing of a sixth-generation demonstrator being developed for the Air Force (USAF) under the NGAD ( Next Generation Air Dominance). In an interview with Defense News, he noted:

“We have already built and launched a full-scale flight demonstration model, and we have broken all records in this matter. We are ready to start building next-generation aircraft like never before. ”


This lengthy statement raised a lot of questions. Another important aspect is noteworthy. In 2019, the same edition of Defense News in the material "The US Air Force's radical plan for a future fighter could field a jet in 5 years" announced preparations for a radical change in the procurement strategy of new aircraft. The innovation consists in the joint participation of different companies, which, according to the data presented, should allow the development and production of a new fighter in up to five years (or even less).

I must say that, given the complexity of modern aircraft technology, the timing sounds almost fantastic. On the other hand, one should not forget about China, which "put on the wing" the Chengdu J-20 fighter in an extremely short period by modern standards.

“Every four or five years there will be F-200, F-201, F-202. And they will be vague and mysterious (regarding the potential of these aircraft). But it will be clear that this is a real program and that real planes are flying. And now you (the enemy) must find out: what new are we (the Americans) bringing to the battle? What has improved? How confident are you that you have the best plane to win? "

- offered his vision, US Air Force Assistant Procurement Secretary Will Roper.

It is difficult to say who will be the main contractor. Not so long ago, in its financial report, the Lockheed Martin corporation hinted that it is working on a new aviation program: it is most likely about Next Generation Air Dominance.

It remains to add that in addition to NGAD, the Americans are working on another program in the sixth generation. It is designated F / A-XX and is intended to provide the United States Navy (USAF) with a replacement for the fourth generation F / A-18E / F Super Hornet in about 2030.


Some observers combine NGAD and F / A-XX into one program, which (as far as can be judged) is not true. Moreover, last year, Popular Mechanics reported that a promising fighter for the Navy will be created exclusively for fleet, and its development will not take into account the requirements of other types of troops. Aircraft may even have a purely conceptual distinction. If Next Generation Air Dominance must certainly be able to operate in enemy airspace, then for a naval aircraft this is not the number one requirement.

In general, despite some postponements associated with the pandemic, it is clear that the United States is accelerating key programs for the Air Force. This is due to both the immediate threat from the PRC and the desire of the American military-political leadership to ensure leadership in the world in the future.
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  1. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 18: 12
    +6
    Lockheed Martin gave a clear answer to these questions:
    It is difficult to say who will be the main contractor.

    Some observers combine NGAD and F / A-XX into one program, which (as far as can be judged) is not true.


    1. Developer Lockheed Martin Skunk Works
    2. Project F / A-XX part deadlines NGAD. Skunk, DARPA, the Air Force and the US Navy are working together on the NGAD program.

    Official information from their website:
    Next Generation Fighter
    As in a good chess game, in Lockheed Martin Skunk Works® we always think five steps ahead. And in today's ever-changing and highly controversial battlefield, staying ahead is essential.

    The global defense landscape is more unpredictable than ever before. So, what are we doing today to ensure that US air dominance remains in the world beyond 2035?

    In partnership with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), the US Air Force and the US Navy, our Skunk Works team explores ways to deliver non-linear, game-changing capabilities that contain current and emerging threats - ultimately providing a competitive and decisive advantage for the United States and its allies.

    Skunk Working strives to develop technical capabilities and explore new locations for the development of aerial platforms new generation Air dominance (NGAD)as well as potential enhancements to existing platforms that are expected to become part of the future Joint Forces structure.

    Building on the legacy of the successful conceptualization and development of advanced technology aircraft such as SR-71, F-117, F-22 and F-35Skunk Works' spirit of innovation and the ability to quickly and silently deliver a quality product is something our customers have come to rely on for over 75 years.


    https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/who-we-are/business-areas/aeronautics/advanced-aeronautics/air-dominance-of-the-future.html
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 18: 28
      +3
      It looks like we are talking about 3 planes
      1.F / A-XX replaces F / A-18 E / F
      2.FX replacement F-15
      3. SR-X replacement for F-22

      F / A-XX and FX are possible on the same platform as F35A / C, but not the fact. The fact is that they will be in a manned and unmanned version. Most likely they can be conditionally classified as 5+ generation. Nobody, except journalists, speaks about the 6th generation, the official wording is “the next generation”.
      SR-X is a hypersonic long-range interceptor / escort / superiority fighter / strike aircraft. The SR-72 is possibly an unmanned variant of it.

      The Skunk Works is committed to advancing technical capabilities and investigating new venues for developing next generation air dominance (NGAD) air platforms
      technology aircraft like the SR-71, F-117, F-22 and F-35
      1. Engineer
        Engineer 10 November 2020 19: 24
        +4
        It looks like we are talking about 3 planes
        1.F / A-XX replaces F / A-18 E / F
        2.FX replacement F-15
        3. SR-X replacement for F-22

        F / A-XX and FX are possible on the same platform as F35A / C, but not the fact. The fact is that they will be in a manned and unmanned version. Most likely they can be conditionally classified as 5+ generation. Nobody, except journalists, speaks about the 6th generation, the official wording is “the next generation”.
        SR-X is a hypersonic long-range interceptor / escort / superiority fighter / strike aircraft. The SR-72 is possibly an unmanned variant of it.


        It's not even over-ambitious. The plans are so overwhelming that Musk looks like a gas station tanker.

        If the US implements at least half of this, it will provide technical and technological superiority for decades

        If not, popcorn crunching and fiery glow will be seen and heard on Mars.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 19: 38
          +7
          Quote: Engineer
          It's not even over-ambitious. The plans are so overwhelming that Musk looks like a gas station tanker.

          I see nothing over-ambitious. Engines XA100 and XA101 have been in testing for a long time, F / A-XX and FX in design are likely to be closer to F-22/23, unmanned F16 / 18 have been flying a long time ago, SR-72 have been doing at least since 2007, they promised to be ready 23-25 ​​years.
          Separately, they have everything and all these programs have been launched since the beginning of this century.
          1. Engineer
            Engineer 10 November 2020 19: 52
            +4
            But I see
            SR-X hypersonic long range interceptor / escort / superiority fighter / strike aircraft.

            This is only part of the program, but it is already practically at the limit of the current technical capabilities of all mankind.
            Suffice it to recall that the speed of combat aircraft has not yet increased for several decades.
            drones F16 / 18 fly a long time ago

            Anything can fly. How many are in service and in what capacity?
            SR-72s have been made at least since 2013, they promised to be ready by 23-25.

            Here's a look.
          2. lucul
            lucul 10 November 2020 21: 26
            -8
            Engines XA100 and XA101 have been in testing for a long time, F / A-XX and FX in design are likely to be closer to F-22/23, unmanned F16 / 18 have been flying a long time ago, SR-72 have been doing at least since 2007, they promised to be ready 23-25 ​​years.
            Separately, they have everything and all these programs have been launched since the beginning of this century.

            Yes, in general, no problem for Russia. Their F-15 will hold out for another 50 years and will be the most serious enemy for our aircraft.
            And these future crafts (flying irons) will be a serious opponent for different countries, except for Russia.
        2. Liam
          Liam 10 November 2020 20: 09
          +1
          Quote: Engineer
          SR-X is a hypersonic long-range interceptor / escort / superiority fighter / strike aircraft. SR-72 possibly unmanned variant of it

          Quote: Engineer

          It's not even over-ambitious

          This is just nonsense.
          NGAD-This is about a new system of cooperation to accelerate the design and production of new equipment in a broad sense, and not about new generations in a narrow sense. So that new programs do not last 20 years as now. Such a kind of technological and industrial network centrics that allows you to do everything faster and therefore cheaper.
          F / AX and FX are a new air superiority aircraft (replacement of the CX, F-15 and F-22 in the sea and dry-slung versions.) These programs are at least 10 years old, so no sensation. F-35 with the addition of a 2nd engine and new electronic stuffing. Nothing super-revolutionary
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 21: 00
            +2
            Quote: Liam
            This is about a new system of cooperation to accelerate the design and production of new technology in a broad sense, and not about new generations in a narrow sense.

            The new development system is used for all new aircraft, starting with TX, including NGAD, LRS-B (B21) and so on. NGAD is precisely the creation of the "next generation air dominator"

            Quote: Liam
            will most likely be made on the basis of the F-35 with the addition of a 2nd engine and new electronic mincemeat.

            In fact, yes. The F / A-XX will have 2 XA100 / 101 engines, a take-off weight of up to 40 tons, a combat radius of 1000 nautical miles, avionics from the F35 block 4/5, initially manned and unmanned.
            FX will probably have a similar configuration.
            SR-X (72) is not a fact in this program, but indirectly it is in it.
            Again, there is no revolution, all technologies are separately available and tested, it remains to put them together.
            1. Liam
              Liam 10 November 2020 21: 03
              -2
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              Again

              Brad is about the hyper-super SR-X
          2. Engineer
            Engineer 10 November 2020 21: 29
            +2
            Oh, those categorical opinions.)
            I had to figure out this vinaigrette of data myself. Of course, I didn't understand 100 percent, but something cleared up
            I took info from here
            https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31343/navy-boss-hints-at-a-very-different-looking-future-fleet-of-naval-combat-aircraft
            So
            NGAD-This is about a new system of cooperation to accelerate the design and production of new equipment in a broad sense, and not about new generations in a narrow sense. So that new programs do not last 20 years as now. Such a kind of technological and industrial network centrics that allows you to do everything faster and therefore cheaper.

            No
            NGAD - New generation Air Dominance
            Already by the name it is clear that we are talking primarily about the actual aircraft and the concepts of their use.
            ATTENTION. There are two NGADs and at the moment they are not formally connected !!!. From the Navy and Air Force, respectively
            That's about F / A-XX
            NGAD is the Navy's current effort to develop a "family of systems" to supplant the F / A-18E / F and F-35C

            Supplant = replace - replace. This is contrary to Wikipedia, which says that it will not replace the F / A-18 E / F but the superhornet. F-35 he must complement (comlement)
            F / A-XX will replace aging Super Hornets in the 2030s and complement the F-35C


            Air Force opinion
            The Air Force has described its vision of NGAD as including manned aircraft worked together with "loyal wingman" drones, autonomous UCAVs, low-cost unmanned swarms, and much more.


            Will the programs merge together? Time will tell

            For the user ОgnennyiKotik
            Place of SR-X (and in general of the new generation of fighters) in the Air Force NGAD program
            Clarified on this article
            https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29690/b-21s-with-air-to-air-capabilities-drones-not-6th-gen-fighters-to-dominate-future-air-combat
            The authors of the article generally express doubts about the reality of the appearance of a new generation fighter in the current conditions.
            A tailless, stealthy, comparatively long-range tactical jet that many had labeled a sixth-generation fighter had been the focus of the Air Force's plans for dominating the air-to-air realm through the middle of the century up until recently. The fiscal realities of producing such an aircraft that would require a long development period would have made it very unlikely to materialize even before the USAF shifted its focus on the matter... If anything, a heavily upgraded “F-35E” variant of the Joint Strike Fighter is far more likely to serve in the role of a future manned tactical fighter for the USAF based on fiscal constraints alone.

            The article clearly states that the more the Air Force immersed themselves in the development of NGAD, the further they moved away from the 6th generation fighter itself.
            In this same time frame, the language surrounding the Air Force's NGAD project has steadily moved away from talking about actually developing a new fighter jet.

            SR-X is a hypersonic long-range interceptor / escort / superiority fighter / strike aircraft. SR-72 possibly unmanned variant of it

            Most likely this is not even in the plans

            What kind of supersonic crap are Lockheed skunks doing then ??
            Apparently we are talking about this device
            https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/19869/nasa-awards-contract-to-lockheeds-skunk-works-to-build-manned-quiet-supersonic-x-plane
            Supersonic manned (passenger?) Aircraft on behalf of NASA

            I do NOT claim to be comprehensive information.
            One article clings to another. Possible misinterpretation
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 21: 44
              -1
              Quote: Engineer
              F / A-18 E / F is a superhornet.

              F / A-XX replaces F / A-18E / F Super Hornet, F35C replaces F / A-18 A / B / C / D Hornet
              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F/A-XX_Program
              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Strike_Fighter_program
              Quote: Engineer
              What kind of supersonic crap do the Lockheed skunks do then?

              Originally a hypersonic reconnaissance drone SR-72, it is in development in 2007. In November 2018, Lockheed Martin announced that the aircraft would be capable of firing hypersonic missiles. In the release of Lockheed, in the pen message, it is written that they will use the experience of the SR-71 and make different platforms.
              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_SR-72
              https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/who-we-are/business-areas/aeronautics/advanced-aeronautics/air-dominance-of-the-future.html
              1. Engineer
                Engineer 10 November 2020 21: 58
                +2
                F / A-XX is created instead of F / A-18E / F Super Hornet,

                I wrote it. Why duplicate?
                Originally a hypersonic reconnaissance drone SR-72, it is in development in 2008. In November 2018, Lockheed Martin announced that the aircraft would be capable of firing hypersonic missiles. In the release of Lockheed, in the pen message, it is written that they will use the experience of the SR-71 and make different platforms.

                So we come to the fact that while Lockheed is working on concepts and creating demonstrators for Darp, NASA, whoever. Some groundwork is being done, as usual
                There is no superfighter of the 6th / "next" generation in the current plans of the Air Force and Navy, as far as I can judge from the above articles
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 22: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Engineer
                  Lockheed is working on concept development and demonstration for Darp, NASA, whoever. Some groundwork is being done, as usual

                  Yeah, they love that. In my opinion, savings will win.
                  The series will include: "F / A-XX will have 2 XA100 / 101 engines, takeoff weight up to 40 tons, combat radius 1000 nautical miles, avionics from F35 block 4/5, initially manned and unmanned." FX on the same platform. And a bunch of cheap Loyal Wingman.
            2. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 21: 57
              -3
              I read all these sources and more. A hypersonic aircraft in the United States could already have been made in the 10s, funding was cut, now it was given. The technologies were tested within the framework of Rockwell X-30, HTV-2, HTV-3X, X-41, Blackswift, X-43, X-51 projects, etc. Once again, I don’t offer anything new, technologies from the 60s-80s, brought to mind to zero.
              1. Cottodraton
                Cottodraton 11 November 2020 03: 40
                +1
                Could have done. They have a lot of money.
                All technologies were worked out on paper, in reality everything is much worse. Of course, I understand your exaltation, being a local "conductor of interests" is one thing, but is it worth it to fall into fanaticism ...
            3. Liam
              Liam 10 November 2020 22: 08
              +1
              Quote: Engineer
              Oh, those categorical opinions.)

              Quote: Engineer
              NGAD - New generation Air Dominance

              In your opinion, I am not able to decipher the acronym?)
              Perhaps I have not clearly indicated my thought. The latest statements from NGAD concerned a breakthrough in the area that I indicated, and not revolutionary hypothetical new generations. All these FX are relatively "old" projects that are already ten years old and there are no sensations.
              https://www.airforcemag.com/article/ropers-ngad-bombshell/
              Quote: Engineer
              that it will not replace the F / A-18 E / F but the superhornet. F-35 he must complement (comlement)

              The F-18E is the Super Hornet.
              Quote: Engineer
              F-35 he must supplement

              Correctly. The F-35 replaces the C / D Hornet models. Strikes. And the new project will replace the E / F model (aka CX) which is gaining air superiority
              1. Engineer
                Engineer 10 November 2020 22: 11
                0
                Well, everything seems to come to a common denominator.
                The F-18E is the Super Hornet.

                Alas, yes. I keep forgetting this simple fact. Well, I'm not good at all in modern weapons.
                1. Liam
                  Liam 10 November 2020 22: 18
                  -1
                  Quote: Engineer
                  Well, everything seems to come to a common denominator

                  This was inevitable, considering that my first post was in support of your point of view)
  2. Sergey39
    Sergey39 10 November 2020 18: 20
    -7
    First, the fifth generation (F-35) would be brought to mind.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 10 November 2020 18: 35
      +5
      Quote: Sergey39
      First, the fifth generation (F-35) would be brought to mind.

      The F-35 is mass-produced, operated in America, exported to the allies, and one of them (I will not point a finger, but the name of this state acts on some members of the forum like a red rag on a bull) successfully and regularly performs combat (not training) tasks.
      The problems were with the vertical takeoff version. They are being resolved.
      1. mihail_mihail0620
        mihail_mihail0620 10 November 2020 19: 19
        -1
        Quote: Nagan
        The F-35 is mass-produced, operated in America, exported to the allies, and one of them (I will not point a finger, but the name of this state acts on some members of the forum like a red rag on a bull) successfully and regularly performs combat (not training) tasks.
        The problems were with the vertical takeoff version. They are being resolved.

        Was it accepted into service in the United States?
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 10 November 2020 19: 27
          -1
          Quote: mihail_mihail0620
          Was it accepted into service in the United States?

          In 2015, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II
          1. mihail_mihail0620
            mihail_mihail0620 10 November 2020 19: 32
            -2
            Quote: Nagan
            In 2015, if you believe

            And why not believe it.
    2. the Saint
      the Saint 10 November 2020 20: 19
      +1
      Quote: Sergey39
      First, the fifth generation (F-35) would be brought to mind.

      Speaking of generations and opportunities. The first serial brand new Su-57 with an engine of only the first stage crashed in December last year, not having time to get into the troops. The second production copy with the same engine was only able to be assembled by November of this year.
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 13 November 2020 03: 27
      +1
      It is not for bringing but for sale, here 6e, taking into account the editing of tons of jambs, fu can become worthy.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 10 November 2020 18: 28
    +1
    The fact that they only lifted a concept into the air is not yet a pre-production prototype, it can fly well without weapons, and at subsonic speeds, or at speeds up to 3x sonic. And then, completely different materials and technologies are needed, there will be a lot of such concepts! The exact wording of the 6th generation, for example, does not yet exist, and it is not known what exactly is being done in the USA! This, for example, is how the Chinese recently loudly announced that they have launched a satellite for 6G frequencies into space, although there are still a lot of questions with 5G. ...
  4. Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 November 2020 18: 33
    -7
    Well, well, storytellers, just like that, they took and scoffed a sixth generation plane. fellow
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 18: 52
      -1
      They make them for 10-15 years. Time for prototyping.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 11 November 2020 06: 44
        -1
        And what follows from this, they will be peeling for another 10-15 years, but this means absolutely nothing. They still fly into space on our taxiways, and how much time they have already spent on their device. Let's not beat the drums ahead of time.
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 10 November 2020 19: 33
      +3
      If anyone is a storyteller, this is the writing fraternity, which for the sake of clickbait is ready for any HYIP and is ready to present the demonstrator's flight as a kind of "breakthrough into the future."
      If you read serious materials like the Congressional Research Service In Focus report, Air Force Next-Generation Air Dominance Program, then the fact of the flight of the demonstrator is noted there as a natural stage of research for the future. If interested, you can read the link https://news.usni.org/2020/10/06/introduction-to-the-air-forces-next-generation-air-dominance-program
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 20: 21
        -1
        The program for which the F22 was created is almost 40 years old. The ATF program was launched in June 1981. It is not surprising that new technologies and knowledge have already accumulated for the next generation of aircraft.
  5. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 10 November 2020 18: 42
    +3
    The plane, very similar to the R-21 (as it is depicted in the brochures), lit up the day before yesterday over the American base. In the afternoon with a contrail. This means the Raider prototype has been lifted into the air.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 10 November 2020 18: 59
      +3
      R-21 what kind of animal is this?
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 10 November 2020 19: 01
      +7
      Alexey, you seem to be ahead of the curve. According to the latest reports, this is the Northrop Grumman RQ-180 UAV.

      Here is the photo you are talking about.

      This is RQ-180.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 10 November 2020 19: 05
        +4
        In the lower picture X 47 but not RQ 180
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 19: 07
        0
        The bottom photo is the X-47B. Top photo, yes, Thedrive suggested it was an RQ-180. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37401/was-the-secret-rq-180-stealth-drone-really-photographed-over-the-mojave-desert
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 10 November 2020 19: 46
          +2
          A technical error crept in. Correcting.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 November 2020 21: 49
            +4
            Look for a straight, straight line to the front of the wing and nose of the fuselage.
            in the photo with a contrail.
            And compare with the protruding sharp nose of the drone.
            It doesn’t work, it’s like it's RQ-180 ....
            And with the picture B-21 is very much the same.
            1. Avior
              Avior 10 November 2020 23: 32
              0
              It is embarrassing that all of the above are subsonic aircraft.
              And r-21 is clearly not planned to be subsonic, so it is strange that they look similar.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 11 November 2020 11: 20
                +2
                The fact that the B-21 is something very real, of which we are sure, is confirmed by the fact that money has already been allocated and a new plant for its production has begun to be built.
                They wouldn't build an assembly plant if there was only a concept or the first prototype.
                Most likely, the Raider is a smaller B-2, subsonic stealth with two engines from the F-35 and avionics from it.
                Its shape was further simplified to obtain good stealth in the meter range. All mechanical slats and flaps were removed.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 11 November 2020 11: 59
                  +3
                  Sorry, there is a little confusion here.
                  I have no doubt about the reality of the B-21.
                  But you wrote "R-21" in your post, I understood it so that you are talking about a promising 6th generation fighter.
                  As a rule, the shapes of real subsonic and supersonic aircraft differ markedly.
                  Just a misunderstanding.
                  drinks
            2. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2020 23: 41
              0
              Could have been P-175.

  6. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 10 November 2020 18: 47
    -8
    The grandmothers have to be cut in a different way, what kind of division it is: the navy, the army. It is necessary to make an airplane separately for each airfield, at once the money will be spent 100 times more just for development alone.
  7. Lexus
    Lexus 10 November 2020 18: 56
    +9
    As long as we are promised, they create.
    1. times
      times 10 November 2020 19: 24
      13
      Who studied what ...
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 13 November 2020 03: 31
      0
      Better than we would have pieces of 500 unrolled t 50 stuck and then finished heaps of jambs for each.
  8. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 10 November 2020 19: 54
    -6
    "It is designated F / A-XX and is intended to provide the United States Navy (USAF) with a replacement for the fourth generation F / A-18E / F Super Hornet in about 2030." - Here is another proof of the unsuitability of the Fu-35 for real service. But from a marketing point of view, the program is close to ideal. They unrolled a bunch of "non-dying" ones for not sickly investments, and themselves, having run around when implementing Wishlist, launched a new program to replace part of the failed ("sixth generation"), another to replace another part (F / A-XX), a third to temporarily compensate for the third parts (modernization of A-10)
    1. Avior
      Avior 10 November 2020 21: 32
      +4
      The f-35s was never positioned as a possible replacement for the Supergornet.
  9. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 12 November 2020 11: 28
    +2
    Thanks to the author, a good overview of possible innovations in military aviation and an easy but informative text. Domantsev would learn from you to express his thoughts clearly and in an interesting way.
  10. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 13 November 2020 03: 24
    +1
    Just 50 tons in a full-fledged series will go and they can catch up with new ones.