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Western press: It's time to say goodbye to MiG-29 fighters

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US Air Force officer Guy Reiser in 2001, near Warsaw, took part in testing MiG-29 fighters in service with the Polish military. The pilot noted the aircraft's high maneuverability, but also its insufficient flight range.


This is reported by The National Interest.

The MiG-29 fighter was deployed by the Soviet Air Force at the end of the Cold War as a counterweight to the American F-16 fighter. It first took off in 1977. Since then, more than 40 years later, it remains one of the most popular fighters in the world. By 2018, there were 820 of them in service with different countries, which corresponds to about 6 percent of all combat aircraft in the world.

David Ax writes in an article published by Forbes that four decades later, the MiG-29 star is beginning to fade. Until now, hundreds of such machines remain in service with many countries, but in Russia their service life is already coming to an end.

When the twin-engined MiG-29 first entered the army in 1982, it was a significant advance for the Soviet Air Force.

The exceptional thrust-to-weight ratio, maneuverability and the first operational sighting system for the R-73 air-to-air guided missile made it almost invincible in battle.

- Writes about him analyst at the Royal Joint Institute for Defense Research Justin Bronk.

But in the post-Cold War era, the aircraft fell out of favor as more countries, including Russia, began to favor larger, more powerful fighters such as the Su-27 and its variants. Today, the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Russian Navy have only 98 MiG-29s, along with about 460 Su-27s and their modifications.

According to representatives of the Western press, this means that the time has come to say goodbye to the MiG-29 fighters.
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  1. KCA
    KCA 8 November 2020 09: 48 New
    17
    Of course, say goodbye if the modernization and regulations are not carried out, but we still fly
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 8 November 2020 09: 52 New
      +8
      Well, in fact, if specific sides have completely exhausted their resource, modernization may not be possible ...
      Personally, I feel sorry for the bird, but I have no real data on the state of the MiG-29 fleet, and the Ministry of Defense has it.
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 11: 33 New
        -3
        well, so there is the development of the Mig-35 project .. with it the only problem is that our military does not spend their money, so it is more convenient for them to take Sushki, arguing that the price is not so big .. but I think that Migi will continue fly .. for export
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 8 November 2020 10: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: KCA
      Of course, say goodbye if the modernization and regulations are not carried out, but we still fly

      Nothing is eternal under the Moon. The fighter leaves for a well-deserved rest. He did his job, now it's the turn of the "young".
      1. figwam
        figwam 8 November 2020 10: 47 New
        11
        According to representatives of the Western press, this means that the time has come to say goodbye to the MiG-29 fighters.

        Isn't it time to say goodbye to the F-16, which is even older?
        According to representatives of the Western press

        How do you like the Western press?

        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 8 November 2020 12: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: figvam

          Isn't it time to say goodbye to the F-16, which is even older?

          What are you talking about? Let them stay, to our delight. I would be glad if the F-4 stayed. Is it bad for us? And we need to fill our VKS with the latest technology.
        2. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 8 November 2020 13: 08 New
          -4
          F 16 they really use nothing to replace scrap alone now they use it.
      2. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 8 November 2020 12: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Nothing is eternal under the Moon. The fighter leaves for a well-deserved rest.

        There is a wonderful saying: "The British leave the banquet without saying goodbye, and the Russians say goodbye, but do not leave." laughing
    3. times
      times 8 November 2020 10: 19 New
      21
      The replacement of the MiG-29 is also carried out to bring the air forces of European countries to NATO standards. After all, there are cases of replacing Soviet technology with an American one of the same years of development.
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 8 November 2020 10: 39 New
      -3
      According to representatives of the Western press, this means that the time has come to say goodbye to the MiG-29 fighters.

      Gentlemen from the West, say goodbye to your American peers of our Mig - F-14, F-15, F-16!
      And there is nothing to command, what should we do! Now is not the time of Gorbachev!
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 8 November 2020 11: 08 New
        -8
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Gentlemen from the West, say goodbye to your American peers of our Mig - F-14, F-15, F-16!

        Well, the Americans said goodbye to the F-14 for a long time, these aircraft were preserved only as part of the Iranian Air Force ...
        In addition, none of the above aircraft is the same age ... since they took to the sky earlier or much earlier than our MiG-29 ...
        The F-15 and -16, and not only in the US Air Force, are replaced by the F-35 ... both base and carrier-based aircraft ...
        US Air Force got 500th fighter of the fifth generation F-35 Lightning II. The fighter entered service with the 134th Fighter Squadron of the 158th Fighter Wing of the Vermont National Guard Air Force, based at Burlington AFB, the bmpd blog reports.

        https://topwar.ru/168666-korporacija-lockheed-martin-postavila-vvs-ssha-500-j-istrebitel-f-35.html
        Accordingly, only the US Air Force has an F-35 (5th generation aircraft), according to the article in the composition
        VKS and the Russian Navy have only 98 MiG-29s, along with about 460 Su-27 and their modifications.
        (fourth generation) of different modifications and different years of production, there are no fifth-generation aircraft in the VKS and MA of the Navy ...
        Ampirialists (not only American ones) dashingly and cheerfully change their F-15, F-16, F-18, Tornado, Typhoon, Mirage, MiG for a single F-35 plane of two modifications ...
        Accordingly, all the enemies of the Russian Federation (secret and overt) will in the future use a single plane against us (from the Americans even the F-22), of course, not all NATO countries can afford the F-35, but such rogue countries as Portugal, Greece and all the countries of Eastern Europe (except for Poland and the Czech Republic) will receive for free the withdrawn from service of the rich NATO countries - F-16, F-18, Typhoons ....
        1. Bagatur
          Bagatur 8 November 2020 18: 15 New
          -4
          rogue countries
          Who are the rich? Look at yourself! Nobody takes the old hardware, the F 16 platform is very good with a new filling, a composite and a new version of the engine!
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 8 November 2020 19: 13 New
            -4
            Quote: bagatura
            rogue countries
            Who are the rich?

            The Russian Federation is richer than the above rogue countries ... yes
            Nobody takes old iron, the F 16 platform is very good


            again, the next pro-American figure was upset, what a waste ... fellow
            1. Kostya Lavinyukov
              Kostya Lavinyukov 8 November 2020 19: 41 New
              0
              And where do not you write the table?
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 8 November 2020 19: 42 New
                -2
                Quote: Kostya Lavinyukov
                And where do not you write the table?

                Have you been banned in Google?
                1. Kostya Lavinyukov
                  Kostya Lavinyukov 9 November 2020 02: 59 New
                  0
                  I can find data on every machine. The pivot table didn't work.
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 9 November 2020 08: 53 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Kostya Lavinyukov
                    I can find data on every machine. The pivot table didn't work.

                    Yes, take it easy, the table is five years old (there is no F-35), but the tendency of the aging of combat aviation is obvious, since the US Air Force is the largest and constantly in the sky, therefore, the resource development is greater than that of others ...
            2. Bagatur
              Bagatur 8 November 2020 21: 52 New
              -3
              Each of these countries has a standard of living higher than in Russia!
              1. akarfoxhound
                akarfoxhound 8 November 2020 22: 45 New
                0
                Quote: bagatura
                Each of these countries has a standard of living higher than in Russia!

                Well, yes, in the category of weighty counterarguments like "the dypak himself", you have forgotten to quote the mantra of the new masters of your country: "The Russian economy is torn apart!"
                laughing laughing laughing
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 8 November 2020 23: 15 New
                  -2
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  Quote: bagatura
                  Each of these countries has a standard of living higher than in Russia!

                  Well, yes, in the nomination of weighty counterarguments like "dypak himself",

                  And I did not enter into dialogue with you, as with Bagatur и Kostya Lavinyukov
                  Seek and find, knock and open to you laughing fool
                  you have forgotten the mantra of the new masters of your country

                  and your country has "404" always new masters .... and the masters of the Russian Federation are only one - its multinational people ...
                  Why did a lot of you climb out, in the hospital they did it later, or what ...?
              2. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 8 November 2020 23: 05 New
                +5
                Quote: bagatura
                Each of these countries has a higher standard of living than in Russia

                And then you are sick as in poor African countries?
                Or is it the "Bulgarian-Turkish standard" - to spit in the direction of Russia on the Russian website?
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 8 November 2020 23: 08 New
                  +1
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  Quote: bagatura
                  Each of these countries has a higher standard of living than in Russia

                  And then you are sick as in poor African countries?
                  Or is it the "Bulgarian-Turkish standard" - to spit in the direction of Russia on the Russian website?

                  They are here "on a procedural issue" ...
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 8 November 2020 23: 16 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Lara Croft
                    They are here "on a procedural issue" ...

                    Well yes...
                    The export of bell peppers was banned. What else remains ...
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 8 November 2020 23: 22 New
                      +3
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      The export of bell peppers was banned. What else remains ...

                      You shouldn't be so. Bulgarians will break through and exchange their pepper with Poles for apples ..
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 9 November 2020 00: 36 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Lara Croft
                        You shouldn't be so. Bulgarians will break through and exchange their pepper with Poles for apples

                        Let Dziuba exchange peppers ...
                        belay
      2. Constanty
        Constanty 8 November 2020 13: 32 New
        +2
        As far as I understand, it was not about telling Russia what to do with its aircraft of this type, but rather about predicting the use of the MiG29 in NATO countries such as Poland, Slovakia or Bulgaria.
        It's a shame that these were very nice and beautiful planes.
        MIGi29 in NATO countries, unfortunately, they are already their own years, come from early series and have not undergone major modernization, which is even worse, repairs in isolation from Russia began to lead to disasters - for example, in Poland in recent years.

        Of course, it would be wise to upgrade them, for example, to the MiG-29SMT standard, but in the current political conditions, this, unfortunately, is impossible.

        All this concerns not only these aircraft, but also, for example, the Mi-8/17 helicopters - in my opinion, one of the best in the world, or the Mi-24.
        1. Bagatur
          Bagatur 8 November 2020 18: 17 New
          -2
          The MiG Corporation does not cope with routine support of aircraft flight performance. For modernization, it doesn't come through.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 8 November 2020 20: 00 New
            +4
            Quote: bagatura
            The MiG Corporation does not cope with routine support of aircraft flight performance. For modernization, it doesn't come through.

            Well, if you try to buy pennies for a penny, then it will be so. The modernization of money is worth it because "in the order of fraternal assistance and international solidarity" is deep in the past.
            1. Bagatur
              Bagatur 8 November 2020 21: 55 New
              -3
              It was with support that our 29s did not cope ...
            2. Andylw
              Andylw 9 November 2020 12: 33 New
              -2
              order of fraternal assistance and international solidarity

              We export most of our weapons for bad loans and palm oil
          2. akarfoxhound
            akarfoxhound 8 November 2020 22: 55 New
            +2
            Here I will agree, in our country, too, during the post-Soviet flourishing of democracy, high-tech industries began to be managed by "effective managers" with journalistic and other humanities. Engineers / technicians only know how to build, but they are not accustomed to mastering the budget in the "necessary" bias, and therefore they are not needed.
    5. venik
      venik 8 November 2020 14: 14 New
      0
      Quote: KCA
      Of course, say goodbye if the modernization and regulations are not carried out, but we still fly

      ========
      MiG-29 - unique car! I hope that "rumors of his death - several exaggerations"! (as Mark Twain said!) ....... This model is also an F-16 will survive!
      1. TulaTokarev
        TulaTokarev 8 November 2020 19: 43 New
        0
        And Mark Twain also said: it's easy to quit smoking, I myself quit a hundred times))) I mean that we have promised a new fighter a hundred times since 2008, but he (like Herman at midnight) is not there ... That is why this model will outlast both the f-16 and f-35 with the Raptor together!
    6. EvilLion
      EvilLion 9 November 2020 08: 30 New
      0
      And no one carried out the modernization, in Russia only post-Soviet MiG-29SMT fly in combat units. Maybe. Since the 14th IAP was rearmed with the Su-30SM. But where did his MiGi go? Perhaps for storage.

      Although it is possible that the stock of flight specimens is still significant, they get them for supplies abroad.
    7. Federal1
      Federal1 9 November 2020 10: 52 New
      -1
      and do soviet trash correctly, minimum sensors, ridiculous range, imperfect missiles. throw these coffins away.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 8 November 2020 09: 52 New
    -25 qualifying.
    You know, and I agree with him.
    Progress should not stand still. Look back at history. Where else are the stars of the sixties such as MiG 31 and Mirage? Only in underdeveloped and not rich countries.
    Years 10 another 29th in Poland and Belarus will hold out in service. Well, upgrade it one more time. But then the fifth generation will go massively and all these 4 ++ will fade into the background.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 8 November 2020 10: 10 New
      +2
      Exactly, there is only one question: when did the F-15 and F-16 appear?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 8 November 2020 10: 33 New
        -9
        Did I call the aircraft you indicated modern? Also, they are not eternal and will soon go to third countries.
      2. Sailor
        Sailor 8 November 2020 12: 10 New
        0
        We went into the series in 72nd and 74th respectively, if I'm not mistaken.
    2. dmmyak40
      dmmyak40 8 November 2020 10: 20 New
      21
      Let's look around. And what underdeveloped and poor country still has an analogue of the MiG-31?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 8 November 2020 10: 35 New
        -7
        I apologize, but I wrote about the MiG 29. Why there were 31 in the commentary, even for me a mystery. The article is not about him. Then I think the minuses have earned ...
        1. NOMADE
          NOMADE 8 November 2020 14: 12 New
          -2
          In your comment, there were just the same enumerations, incl. and Mig 31 (PS did not put a minus))
      2. TulaTokarev
        TulaTokarev 8 November 2020 19: 47 New
        -1
        I would also add: is the 31st definitely out of the 60s? And Mirage was exactly along with our 31st next to it?
    3. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 8 November 2020 10: 21 New
      +8
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Where else are the stars of the sixties such as MiG 31 and Mirage?

      MIG 31 stars of the 60s? ...
      But..
      And what Mirage did they mean?
      Which was produced from 1983 to 2007? ..
      But..
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 8 November 2020 10: 32 New
        -6
        Mirage 3. Start of operation in 1961.
        1. TulaTokarev
          TulaTokarev 8 November 2020 19: 54 New
          -1
          Well, with the 3rd Mirage at the same time, the MiG-21 seems to have gone into production in 1959? And they are somehow more similar, do not you?
          By the way, are you going to work tomorrow? Here the traffic cops have taken the fashion on Mondays to blow through the entire stream at the entrance to the city (((
    4. sabakina
      sabakina 8 November 2020 10: 36 New
      +9
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Look back at history. Where else are the stars of the sixties like the MiG 31? Only in underdeveloped and not rich countries ..
      And then I sharply wanted to know, are we an underdeveloped country or not rich? recourse
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 8 November 2020 10: 38 New
        +3
        I've already tried to justify myself. Maybe T9 is naughty. Where the 31st came from is not clear. It's about 29m.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 8 November 2020 10: 51 New
          +4
          Nazariy, let's say T-9 is to blame. But where does the 60s?
          The first demonstration of the MiG-29 abroad took place in 1986 during a visit from June 30 to July 3, six Soviet aircraft from the 234th GIAP to Finland on September 2-8, 1988. The MiG-29 and MiG-29UB were presented to the world community at the annual Farnborough international exhibition of weapons and military equipment [6].
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 8 November 2020 10: 57 New
            +1
            Got it, finally! In the first comment I wanted to write 21. I missed and came out 31! Now the puzzles are complete. Himself to blame. But the fact that 21 is still a star of the 60s, no one will argue? And Mirage 3 is his peer. Although the backers have already happily rubbed their hands and began to poke at the key.
        2. dmmyak40
          dmmyak40 8 November 2020 10: 52 New
          +2
          We all get it, don't worry. Now + - I will correct ...
        3. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 8 November 2020 11: 47 New
          -5
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I've already tried to justify myself. Maybe T9 is naughty. Where the 31st came from is not clear. It's about 29m.

          Also a bad joke ...
          The MiG-29 could not be, as you put it, "the star of the 60s" ...
          MiG-29 (NATO codification: Fulcrum - fulcrum) - Soviet, now Russian multipurpose fighter belonging to the 4th generation, was created in the MiG Design Bureau. It made its first flight on October 6, 1977. In 1971 year in OKB MiG a light fighter project was presented, which received the designation MiG-29D. The main task assigned to the new aircraft was to provide air defense of strategically important objects, small territories, as well as groups of troops. In the same 1971, the MiG Design Bureau began detailed development of a new fighter project.

          https://topwar.ru/19617-frontovoy-istrebitel-mig-29-35-let-v-nebe.html
        4. poquello
          poquello 8 November 2020 12: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I've already tried to justify myself. Maybe T9 is naughty. Where the 31st came from is not clear. It's about 29m.

          "the meeting will take place on Wednesday, come a day earlier"
      2. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 8 November 2020 12: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: sabakina
        And then I sharply wanted to know, are we an underdeveloped country or not rich?

        Is it a secret for someone that we are not a rich country?
        And in terms of the level of technology development, it is also not ahead of the rest of the planet, with rare exceptions (it's so good that at least we can do something better than everyone else)
      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 8 November 2020 18: 59 New
        -3
        We are a very highly developed country, judging by military technology, and relatively poor for reason No. 1 of the expression about fools and roads
    5. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 8 November 2020 11: 42 New
      -3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Look back at history. Where else are the stars of the sixties such as MiG 31 and Mirage? Only in underdeveloped and not rich countries.

      An unfortunate comparison, there are still no analogues of the MiG-31 ...
      The first flight of the MiG-31 committed -16 September 1975 years
      Start of operation of the MiG-31 - May 6, 1981
      The MiG-31 is in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Air Force of Kazakhstan ...
      The MiG-31 was previously only in service with the USSR Armed Forces ...
      What are the stars of the sixties, what do you write about ...
      MiG-31 (E-155MP, according to NATO classification Foxhound - fox hound) Soviet / Russian all-weather two-seater supersonic long-range interceptor fighter. The fighter was developed at OKB-155 (now JSC "RSK" MiG "). It is the first Soviet aircraft belonging to the 4th generation.
      [/ Quote]
      https://topwar.ru/21381-mig-31-luchshiy-istrebitel-perehvatchik-mira.html
      If you confused the MiG-31 with its predecessor, the MiG-25P, then it is also unsuccessful ...
      [quote] The work on the MiG-31 fighter-interceptor was conceived as an upgrade of an existing interceptor MiG-25P, which successfully overcame state joint (GSI) and military tests conducted in 1971-1972, and managed to establish itself as an effective and high-speed fighter-interceptor of the air defense system.

      see there ...
      As for the Mirage, in the 60s, only Mirage 3 could fly and this is not a fourth generation aircraft ...
      According to WIKI, these aircraft are in service only with Egypt, Argentina and Pakistan (they will be replaced by Chinese ones).
      You could also mean "Mirage 5" (third generation aircraft).
      According to the WIKI, these aircraft are in service with a larger number of countries than its predecessor - JSC, Argentina, Chile, Egypt, Colombia, Pakistan, Zaire ... was withdrawn from the French Air Force in 1994.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 9 November 2020 08: 34 New
        -2
        A functional analogue of the MiG-31, with some stretch, is the F-14.
      2. dsu05
        dsu05 9 November 2020 17: 05 New
        0
        "The first flight of the MiG-31 was made on September 16, 1975" -
        I even remember where I was then: the final days
        summer shift in the pioneer camp Eaglet on the Black Sea,
        numbers 30 and 3000 (altitude and speed "there is such an aircraft" -
        in the House of Aviation and Cosmonautics).
        And in front of the DAK were MiG-15 and MiG-21 (now like Su-27)
    6. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 8 November 2020 11: 44 New
      +3
      Maybe you didn't mean the MiG 31, but the MiG 21?
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 8 November 2020 19: 15 New
        -3
        Quote: Sergej1972
        Maybe you didn't mean the MiG 31, but the MiG 21?

        Most likely ... although in the 60s there were still a lot of things flying ...
    7. ccsr
      ccsr 8 November 2020 12: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Well, upgrade it one more time.

      The feasibility of modernizing military equipment of any class immediately disappears as soon as a new model appears, which exceeds the parameters of the previous one, and the rearmament plan is calculated based on the replacement of the old fleet. That is why I think they are not planning to modernize the MiG-29, but they will try to get rid of it as soon as possible, because the maintenance of old equipment is not only costly, but also associated with an accident rate. So, in my opinion, there is a normal process of replacing the old park with a new one, and what is happening in Poland does not fall out of the general outline of the historical process of the development of technology and weapons in the world. And by and large we do not care about their analyzes and troubles - we ourselves know better than them what we need, and this is what we need to proceed from.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 8 November 2020 13: 13 New
        +1
        When, at the same time, the new generation can fully replace the old one, if it is not possible to completely replace the old ones, at least some of the old ones are left and modernized.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 8 November 2020 13: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Incvizitor
          When, at the same time, the new generation can fully replace the old one,

          This is planned in the armaments program for several years in advance, as a rule for a decade for complex B and VT models.
          Quote: Incvizitor
          if it is not possible to completely replace the old ones,

          This does not mean that you need to invest in something that already loses to that which has been created new by this time.
          Quote: Incvizitor
          at least some of the old ones are left and modernized.

          They leave it - yes, but it is unlikely that they will modernize, because the stage of making a decision to modernize or create a new one in complex samples of В and ВТ, is preceded by at least research work on the expediency of one way or another, because there will not be enough money to carry out modernization and simultaneously create a new model. At least such an algorithm has always been in Soviet times, and then the army was much larger and people were serious about spending on weapons, approaching this from a scientific point of view.
    8. mvg
      mvg 8 November 2020 13: 27 New
      +2
      stars of the sixties such as MiG 31 and Mirage

      I missed something for the "stardom" of the MiG-31, where did he become a Star? And yes, which Mirage are you drowning for? Mirage F-1, which dropped hundreds of MiG-21s in the Arab-Israeli wars, or Mirage-2000-9, which is still in service, or Mirage 4-1, a carrier of a vigorous weapon?
      PS: And what can the MiG-29 boast of? Maybe air victories in Iraq, Ethiopia, Yugoslavia? Let's guess: He is also a Legend and a Star.
      1. the Saint
        the Saint 8 November 2020 21: 43 New
        -1
        Quote: mvg
        And what can the MiG-29 boast of?

        By his desertion lol
        31 years ago, one of the newest Soviet military vehicles at that time, the MiG-29 fighter, landed at the Turkish airport in Trabzon. Soviet pilot, Air Force Captain A. Zuev, immediately requested political asylum from the United States. In the USSR, the MiG-29 at that time was the newest and most secret aircraft, and American specialists were able to study it for two days, and then the aircraft was returned to the Soviet Union.
    9. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 11 November 2020 19: 57 New
      0
      Where else are the stars of the sixties like the MiG 31

      It is very funny to read - MiG-31 turns out to be the star of the 60s!
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 8 November 2020 09: 53 New
    +7
    According to representatives of the Western press, this means that it is time to say goodbye to the MiG-29 fighters.

    Normal process. If the structure does not have a modernization resource in order to rise to the level of tasks that are in front of such a technique at the moment, a replacement should take place.
  4. Egoza
    Egoza 8 November 2020 10: 04 New
    +1
    Yes, progress cannot be stopped, especially given the current conditions. But I have a question for the experts. But these planes cannot be converted to something else, since they are no longer suitable for the military? For any civilian use? Agriculture type? Small shipments? Or are they already completely unreliable?
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 8 November 2020 10: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      But these planes cannot be converted to something else, since they are no longer suitable for the military? For any civilian use?

      Probably, if you want, you can think of something. For example, how to plow land on a tank or express mail, send letters to the Far East with rockets. lol
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 8 November 2020 10: 24 New
      +8
      Only ride tourists, which some do. But it's expensive and niche. Not everyone can lay out a cutlet of bucks in 20 minutes.

      Why MiG in agriculture ??? Carry potatoes? So he needs a runway. And he won't take away very much. And at the price of potatoes, it will be several times cheaper to buy from some thread of a special eco-nano economy.

      In general, the future of agriculture is drones.

      Already, it is drones that are creating the best vegetation index maps in the field.


      They work great for spraying. Due to the peculiarities of the flight (0-50 km / h speed), the ability to walk along the landing line, the continuous coverage of the field in a fully automatic mode - with a return to the last point after refueling - it is cheap, efficient and of better quality.


      For large farms, there are alterations of an aircraft tractor into a UAV.


      Well, in mechanization. The control unit does not thump, does not spill work, is not lazy, always in good spirits and does not mess. As a result, even all sorts of rough crafts, set records and shame the best machine operators.
      Russian unmanned harvester sets harvest record
      The other day in the Kurgan region presented a "smart" unmanned harvester from the Russian company Cognitive Technologies. In automatic mode, the machine was able to harvest wheat on an area of ​​more than 110 hectares. As a result, 67 centners were collected from each hectare - this is a record result.
      An unmanned harvester, when driving, does not allow passes, as happens with human machine operators. The technique will reduce the loss of grain during harvesting by 30-40%.
      The autopilot for the combine is called Agrodroid. It can be connected to a variety of equipment, including tractors and sprayers.

      In the west, the same initially unmanned Case IH is already on sale.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 8 November 2020 11: 21 New
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        Quote: donavi49

        In the west, the same initially unmanned Case IH is already on sale.
        Well, it took only 60 years for scientists ...
      2. ghby
        ghby 8 November 2020 13: 22 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        An unmanned harvester, when driving, does not allow passes, as happens with human machine operators. The technique will reduce the loss of grain during harvesting by 30-40%.

        It also does not unload grain to the left.
    3. Guru
      Guru 8 November 2020 10: 26 New
      +5
      Fidget (Elena)
      Elena, how do you think it is possible to convert a Formula 1 car for the transportation of rubble? belay
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 8 November 2020 11: 27 New
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        Quote: Guru
        Fidget (Elena)
        Elena, how do you think it is possible to convert a Formula 1 car for the transportation of rubble? belay

        Oleg, a Formula 1 car is better suited for rolling asphalt! wink
  5. SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 8 November 2020 10: 05 New
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    Not enough range? It looks like the experts do not know the class, frontline fighter
    1. Eragon
      Eragon 8 November 2020 15: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: SARANCHA1976
      Not enough range? It looks like the experts do not know the class, frontline fighter

      Surely led. But in the coming wars, fronts are not envisaged. There will be mobile units of various sizes, but the front lines will not. There is nothing and no one to support the front-line fighter. And if we assume that airfields should be outside the strike zone of short-range weapons, then yes, the range of the MIG does not call
      1. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 8 November 2020 20: 13 New
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        So if you know that then level the 29th with the needle, then level the su30 with f16
  6. Guru
    Guru 8 November 2020 10: 17 New
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    Western press: It's time to say goodbye to MiG-29 fighters
    Of course, say goodbye, we have a MIG-35 on the way.
    In the future, it is planned to replace all MiG-35s delivered in the late 29s - early 80s on the MiG-90, and the MiG-29SMT or K / KUB will continue to be operated together with them.
    And even foreign countries operating the MiG-29 have shown interest in purchasing MiG-35 aircraft. They already have the entire infrastructure for training technicians and pilots, it will only take a short time to complete their training, and on August 31, 2019, during the MAKS-2019 air show, a contract was signed for the supply of 50 MiG-35 fighters to the Egyptian Air Force, although 2019 production fighters were delivered to the Russian Air Force in December 6.
  7. Turanov
    Turanov 8 November 2020 10: 18 New
    +1
    After the collapse of the GDR and the withdrawal-flight of our elite units, the German pilots were actually expelled from the army, without severance pay, etc. And then the Amers came up with the idea of ​​training their pilots in a training battle on a MiG-29 operated by GDER .. They said that even experienced NATO pilots lost air battles .. There was the highest class, well, the machines of the same level .. hi
    Another legend of our Soviet aviation! These old men can still wipe their nose even with the latest developments. Beautiful car! Thanks to Mikoyan, etc. !!!!! soldier
    1. mvg
      mvg 8 November 2020 13: 32 New
      +1
      They said that even experienced NATO pilots lost air battles .. There was the highest class, well, the machines of the same level .. hi

      Do not forget to shake off the noodles after watching TV Star. Those mock battles cannot be compared with reality. See the results of Iraq, Syria, Yugoslavia and Ethiopia.
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 8 November 2020 14: 17 New
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        Quote: mvg
        Do not forget to shake off the noodles after watching TV Star.

        And then there are noodles and TV "Star" .. Liberston is in your head, you don't watch TV and don't read the press explicitly)))) wassat A sort of blogger .. cough cough ..?
        Quote: mvg
        See the results of Iraq, Syria, Yugoslavia and Ethiopia.

        And what is there to watch then, there were no pros? First, the country was decomposed from the inside, and then bahn (except for Syria))))
        The Germans of the GDR were the most reliable allies of the Union and professionals with a capital letter !!!!!
        Gorbach Judah began to hand them over, and then the drunken ebn finished everything .. There, many shot themselves just from this betrayal .. And they East Germans believed us, unlike others, God forgive the "brothers" ..
        So your acrimonious malice, I am quite understandable, but it still does not mean anything. fool
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 8 November 2020 17: 08 New
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        Quote: mvg
        See the results of Iraq, Syria, Yugoslavia and Ethiopia.

        Do you think there were Soviet pilots in the cockpits, or the pilots of the NNA of the GDR who were trained in our military schools? The comparison is clearly inappropriate, because the GDR army was the best in Europe in training troops - even the NATO members admitted this. That is why they were not surprised when, after the unification, the pilots from the GDR showed their superiority in flight training on our aircraft - I am not at all surprised.
      3. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 8 November 2020 20: 15 New
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        Remind pzhlst air battles of these "intense world conflicts"
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 8 November 2020 13: 45 New
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      Quote: Turanov
      German pilots were actually expelled from the army, without severance pay, etc.

      Just the pilots of the MiG-29 were not kicked out of the Bundeswehr - you probably confused this with other categories of NNA servicemen.
      Quote: Turanov
      And then the Amers came up with the idea of ​​training their pilots in a training battle on the MiG-29 controlled by the GDER troops

      I think that the reason for the abandonment of the MiG-29 was more prosaic and banal - the FRG got too expensive property, so they decided to use it for the training and education of their personnel. By the way, there was a huge list of equipment and weapons, which the NNA of the GDR returned to our group of forces immediately after the unification of Germany, but the MiG-29 was not included in this list.
      Quote: Turanov
      Another legend of our Soviet aviation!

      No one disputes this - an excellent plane, the pride of Soviet developers. But the time comes for everything, that's why it hardly makes sense to modernize it.
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 8 November 2020 14: 27 New
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        Quote: ccsr
        Just the pilots of the MiG-29 were not kicked out of the Bundeswehr - you probably confused this with other categories of NNA servicemen.

        Well, maybe I just read the old one a long time ago and I remember it.
        Quote: ccsr
        By the way, there was a huge list of equipment and weapons, which the NNA of the GDR returned to our group of forces immediately after the unification of Germany, but the MiG-29 was not included in this list.

        Well, of course .. There they threw everything and the elite troops were actually taken out to the steppe of Russia and then disbanded (although the Germans offered a lot of money to accommodate the outgoing troops .., but nits were already sitting in all power structures and shit, sabotaged, robbed openly, etc. Germany shrugged her shoulders and closed the topic (they already have huge payments to Jews)

        Quote: ccsr
        No one disputes this - an excellent plane, the pride of Soviet developers. But the time comes for everything, that's why it hardly makes sense to modernize it.

        Thanks for that .. They reassured me a bit, but still the MiG-29 has not completely exhausted its resource, if everything is smart .. hi
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 8 November 2020 16: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Turanov
          There they abandoned everything and the elite troops were actually taken to the steppe of Russia and then disbanded

          You obviously do not know what you are writing about, because we did not abandon anything of the weapons and equipment there, and everything was withdrawn to the USSR (1990-1991) and Russia and other republics after 1991. And many units were not disbanded after the withdrawal, although some were disbanded already in the group - they were liquidated much later, but this was a completely different process associated with a lack of budget funds.
          Quote: Turanov
          They calmed it down a bit, but still the MiG-29 has not completely exhausted its resource, if everything is wise.

          You just do not know very well what a depleted resource in military equipment is and why the military does not like it so much when it starts to be extended for various reasons - this is any deputy for you. on armament will confirm. That is why the timely write-off of an exhausted equipment resource should be welcomed, at least from the point of view of the safety of personnel and the exclusion of serious accidents in the troops - this I guarantee you, tk. I know too well what I'm writing about.
  8. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 8 November 2020 10: 40 New
    +4
    Captain obvious ...
  9. Mouse
    Mouse 8 November 2020 10: 46 New
    +2
    Well, that's it .... if the Western press said ... drain everything ... belay
  10. SPQR
    SPQR 8 November 2020 11: 30 New
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    Hmm ... insufficient range ...
    Isn't an additional external fuel tank possible? Or is it not practical on a fighter?
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 8 November 2020 13: 29 New
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      Quote: SPQR
      Hmm ... insufficient range ...

      At first, the combat radius was not very good. Then the air intakes were removed from the tides on the plane, taking this place with fuel tanks,

      and added conformal bulls (on the back of the fighter), and the combat radius became quite. Over time, the aerodynamics of the aircraft also changed (if you pay attention to the front part of the sag in front of the wing - on later aircraft it became with a sharp edge).


      The cabin has changed more than once.

      So, the aircraft has been developing and the aircraft of the latest releases are no worse than their foreign counterparts.
  11. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 8 November 2020 12: 00 New
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    Yes, 40 years old development, in fact, a little reduced SU.
    but what distinguishes it is that it is 2-engine, which means that it eats more fuel, and is more expensive, unlike single-engine ones ...
  12. V1er
    V1er 8 November 2020 12: 18 New
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    They would develop a cheap lightweight mass fighter with one engine, such an aircraft would find its own niche. It is useless to compete with su-35, 57.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 8 November 2020 17: 16 New
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      Quote: V1er
      They would develop a cheap lightweight mass fighter with one engine,

      The customers abandoned this concept after the sixties, when they analyzed the results of the combat losses of the Americans in Vietnam, as well as the results of the losses of our aircraft in some conflicts, where aircraft purchased from us were used. So, as far as I understand, our Air Force needs two engines to increase the survivability of the aircraft - this is the main reason, although the speed characteristics play an important role.
  13. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 8 November 2020 13: 17 New
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    I don’t understand what the "comrade" offered to say goodbye to?
    With specific copies produced in the 80s of the last century?
    You don't need to be an expert here, it's time.
    And if with a platform, then the MiG-35 is an example of the opposite.
    He, of course, is also not the "navel of the earth", but how cheap and angry it can do something else.
    And if you also put advanced avionics on it, like at least as on the newest F15, then "vaasche a beast machine, I swear by my mother" will work out (only this is unlikely, unfortunately).
  14. ole1
    ole1 8 November 2020 14: 59 New
    +1
    "The Russian Federation has only 98 MiG-29s"
    In reality, as I remember, 30-40 minutes 29 cmt are in service, the rest are present only nominally - they have developed a resource, and their combat value with avionics from the 80s is in doubt
  15. xomaNN
    xomaNN 8 November 2020 15: 40 New
    0
    If the MIG29 gliders still have a resource and aircraft engines in the spare parts, then the avionics can also be delivered. And it will spoil the blood of the foe for a dozen years, until 2030 wassat
    1. ole1
      ole1 8 November 2020 16: 02 New
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      I think this is from the realm of fantasy. We do not have a new radar for the 29th, it makes no sense to install the N019MP "Topaz" as on the MiG 29SMT in the 2020s, this is the level of the 90s of the last century. And there is also the OLS, which needs to be changed, put up displays, add the ability to launch RVV-SD missiles, install a new radiation warning station, etc., etc.
  16. hydroy
    hydroy 8 November 2020 16: 54 New
    -3
    It is not easier to sell the MiG-29 to countries in 3 worlds) And 35 is already coming to replace it!
  17. hydroy
    hydroy 8 November 2020 16: 55 New
    -3
    In general, it's time to get the 5th generation, we are too lagging behind (
  18. Adimius38
    Adimius38 8 November 2020 19: 41 New
    +1
    Well, if we talk about the first versions of the MiG-29, then yes, we must say goodbye to such. The Americans, as it were, also do not fly on the first needles of the F-15 or the first versions of the F-16. Those planes, as it were, are also not relevant now. Each such bird requires modernization, but in Russia, the TUPO was hammered into modernizing the MiG-29. Out of 700 CARS for 1991, now there are no more than 100 left. Instantly did not die in battle, but was buried with his own hands. What can not be said about the same F-16, which continues to work quite successfully in many countries of the world and continues to be further modernized.
    1. ole1
      ole1 8 November 2020 21: 24 New
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      in fact, the first versions of the Mig 29 are no longer in service, they have developed a resource, only SMT can fight
  19. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 8 November 2020 19: 47 New
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    MiG-29 is not easy, but average... Hence the rest of the confusion.

    It is neither cheaper nor more profitable per circle than the SU-27, which means it is not needed.


    A single-engine vehicle, unified with the SU-27/30/35, would be interesting if it was half the price.

    But even without that, chasing light vehicles also doesn't make much sense, because now drones are taking their place, and there are years left before the advent of unmanned light fighters.
  20. Kaw
    Kaw 8 November 2020 21: 32 New
    +1
    I wonder if this plane has ever won at least one air battle? And how much I didn’t read about it, this plane showed itself very poorly wherever it was used. As I understand it, his radar was very weak. Our radars differed in weight and size in a larger direction from the western ones, and at the 29th place there was little and a very weak radar was installed there. It seems that I read this opinion.
    1. ole1
      ole1 9 November 2020 12: 19 New
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      Sure. For example, take "Desert Storm" 1991

      January 17, 1991 - "Tornado" IDS GR.Mk.1 (number ZD791, 15th squadron of the RAF). The MiG-29 was shot down after striking the Ar-Rumeila Yugo-zapadny airfield. Both crew members were captured.

      By the way, at the time of adoption, his radar was completely normal when compared with a competitor in the form of F16 of the same years
  21. Revolver
    Revolver 8 November 2020 23: 24 New
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    Meanwhile, in America, the 6th (in words: sixth) generation fighter made its first flight (at least the first, if not more).
    https://www.foxnews.com/tech/why-an-air-force-6th-gen-stealth-fighter-is-here-almost-10-years-early
    Yes, of course, the series is still far away, but all other candidates of the 5th (fifth) generation, except for the F-22 and F-35, are not much closer.
    1. U-58
      U-58 9 November 2020 15: 06 New
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      In a real combat situation in a major non-nuclear conflict, it didn't seem like it turned out that using generations 5 and 6 is like firing a cannon at the grave: effective, but not effective ..
      And much cheaper than SU-25, MiG-29, Yak-130
  22. Federal1
    Federal1 9 November 2020 10: 50 New
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    the plane sucks. not a single victory in a lifetime. the star is of course still the same ... it makes no sense to understand, even trash.
  23. U-58
    U-58 9 November 2020 15: 01 New
    -1
    The star is rolling down.
    Well, yes, everything has its time.
    But it should be noted that the star is still setting for the MiG-21; 23; 27.
    But ... it didn't roll ...