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Turkish attack drone Bayraktar TB2 will receive an optical-electronic system from Aselsan

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Turkish attack drone Bayraktar TB2 will receive an optical-electronic system from Aselsan

The Turkish attack drone will receive a domestic optoelectronic reconnaissance, observation and guidance system. According to the company, Bayraktar TB2 successfully conducted the first test firing with the new system developed by Aselsan.


During tests, a drone with a new optical-electronic system (CATS) hit the target with MAM-L (Mini Smart Ammunition) guided munitions developed by Roketsan. As part of the tests, various functions of the system were tested, special attention was paid to the capture and tracking of targets moving at high speed. The tests are said to have been successful.

Previously, Bayraktar TB2 drones were equipped with Canadian-made optical systems supplied by L3Harris WESCAM. The deliveries of Canadian optics and engines were suspended after Azerbaijan used Turkish drones during the fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh.


The new UAV model Bayraktar TB2 is equipped with a powerful engine from Rotax, which allows the drone to stay in the air for a longer time.

It is also reported that the Turks are testing their own turbodiesel aviation the engine, produced by the Turkish company Tusas Engine Industries (TEI), with which it is planned to equip the new Akinci drones and modified Bayraktar TB3.
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  1. MTN
    MTN 7 November 2020 17: 43
    -37 qualifying.
    Well done !!! So the hunting season continues ... So the question and the engines have been decided.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 7 November 2020 17: 44
      19
      Quote: MTN
      So the hunting season continues

      If it's not a secret, to whom?
      The Armenians?
      The Syrians?
      The Libyans?
      1. svp67
        svp67 7 November 2020 17: 47
        15
        Quote: Victor_B
        If it's not a secret, to whom?

        On all opponents of the Great Ottoman Empire
        1. MTN
          MTN 7 November 2020 17: 59
          -18 qualifying.
          Quote: svp67
          On all opponents of the Great Ottoman Empire

          In fact, Azerbaijanis have never been part of the Ottoman Empire. They were the founders of the Safavid Empire. Although your answer is not so far from the truth.
          1. Alexander Kopychev
            Alexander Kopychev 7 November 2020 18: 23
            0
            In fact, Azerbaijanis have never been part of the Ottoman Empire. They were the founders of the Safavid Empire.

            Then why Erdogan and not Hassan Rouhani?

            With respect! hi
            1. MTN
              MTN 7 November 2020 18: 31
              -22 qualifying.
              Quote: Alexander Kopychev
              Then why Erdogan and not Hassan Rouhani?

              The domination of Azerbaijanis over Persia, which lasted for millennia, alas, ended after the last Shahinshah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi 1979. But I hope that someday North and South Azerbaijan will unite. Justice must prevail.

              Best regards
              1. Alexander Kopychev
                Alexander Kopychev 7 November 2020 18: 37
                +3
                But I hope that someday North and South Azerbaijan will unite. Justice must prevail.

                Very good, I am for Justice! And what to do with the Ottoman brothers? hi
                1. MTN
                  MTN 7 November 2020 19: 16
                  -10 qualifying.
                  Quote: Alexander Kopychev
                  And what to do with the Ottoman brothers?

                  Collaborate and benefit.
                  Build a nuclear power plant - and this is money, you sell weapons, and this is money, taking into account the Karabakh conflict and the reaction of the Kremlin, then along the way the pipe will bring money, then a lot of things can be agreed with the Ottomans and at the same time have benefits, but what benefit do you have from the Armenians? Just don't talk about Christian love) Why do you need those who do not want to be with you? Why do you need to protect those who do not love you and sleep and see how your southern lands will appropriate. Listen to your diplomats, stories, they will clearly confirm my words to you. They erected a monument to the fascist who fought against the Soviet Union in the center of the city. Why do you need such freeloaders who need to give everything or for a loan, moreover, they will not care about you.
                  1. Alexander Kopychev
                    Alexander Kopychev 7 November 2020 19: 58
                    11
                    Building a nuclear power plant and selling weapons is a bit different. Two states - one people. Russophobia, in the Armenian version, did not go unnoticed, at VO there are a lot of wishes for them like a tablecloth on hop. If you paid attention, then there are actually no claims to Azerbaijan on the site (well, or almost none) wink All questions to the Sultan. hi
                    1. Warrior-80
                      Warrior-80 7 November 2020 21: 19
                      +8
                      No matter how you later have to ask Azerbaijan for help when the sultan squeezes you in his arms and you lose the statehood that we gave you, his intentions are clear, to spread influence or annex the former provinces of the Ottoman Empire
              2. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 7 November 2020 19: 31
                13
                Quote: MTN
                The domination of Azerbaijanis over Persia, which lasted for thousands of years, alas, ended after the last shahinshah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi in ​​1979. But I hope that someday North and South Azerbaijan will unite. Justice must prevail.
                You were shaken a lot. belay I'm embarrassed to ask, but I'm interested - will the Association be under the patronage of Tehran or Baku? winked
                1. MTN
                  MTN 7 November 2020 19: 53
                  -7
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  You were shaken a lot. I'm embarrassed to ask, but I'm interested - will the Union be under the patronage of Tehran or Baku?

                  Have you tried to find out from what kind of Shahinshah Pahlavi? Where is he from? And before him Qajars ... ... scroll a little and then continue the conversation. We don't need Tehran.
                  1. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 7 November 2020 20: 31
                    11
                    Quote: MTN
                    Have you tried to find out from what kind of Shahinshah Pahlavi? Where is he from? And before him Qajars ... ... scroll a little and then continue the conversation. We don't need Tehran.

                    Can you recall the event that took place on May 27, 1918 and what exactly was it dedicated to? It seems like it was then that the concept of Azerbaijan appeared in the documents recognized by international law, but as a state it was recognized by the same international law in 1991, from which, in fact, everything dances. If you go deeply into the past, who owes what to whom, what should and where they came from by family and tribe, then you can get to Adam and Eve, who are the only ancestors for everyone living on earth. You there it turns out "brotherly" with each other at war? Today, almost every country has territorial claims to its neighbors, only there is no peace, or it rests solely on a club, mostly nuclear.
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              3. Warrior-80
                Warrior-80 7 November 2020 21: 07
                +4
                It's funny to read you, write such nonsense, then it turns out under Stalin, there was domination of the Georgians over almost all of Eurasia wassat
                1. businessv
                  businessv 7 November 2020 22: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Warrior-80
                  it turns out under Stalin, the domination of the Georgians was almost over the whole of Eurasia
                  What dominion did you drag Stalin into? In this matter, nationality is absolutely irrelevant, in view of its irresponsibility to actions, as a result of which the Union was able to influence half of the world and the world order as a whole! Dmitry did not mean personalities, but a specific discussion of the state of affairs, unlike his colleague with the nickname MTN (KGB school).
              4. genisis
                genisis 7 November 2020 23: 17
                +3
                Omar, did Mohamad Reza Pahlavi even suspect that he was an "Azerbaijani" who ruled over Persia? ))))
                And who exactly was he from the “Azerbaijanis”: Lezgin, Avar, Tsukhur, Udin, Tat, Talysh, Rutulets, Russian, Azeri-Turks, Armenian?
              5. Dzungar
                Dzungar 8 November 2020 09: 45
                +1
                Who is Azerbaijan ...? And who is PERSIA ..? When there was Persia, NOBODY HEARD about Azerbaijan
            2. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 18: 36
              -12 qualifying.
              The views of the world of the regime of mullah and Azerbaijan are different, from a word at all. Also, we are very aware of their actions, in relation to Iranian Azerbaijanis, how they seriously infringe on the rights of people, which makes up 35-40% of the population of all Iran. There is no reason that we love this regime and form of government in Iran.
              1. times
                times 8 November 2020 08: 49
                14
                Quote: Oquzyurd
                Also, we are very aware of their actions, in relation to Iranian Azerbaijanis, how they seriously infringe on the rights of people, which makes up 35-40% of the population of all Iran. There is no reason that we love this regime and form of government in Iran

                As I understand it, Iran is next in line? If everything works out with NK ...
              2. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 8 November 2020 14: 29
                0
                By the way, I just noticed. Bayraktar took off from 3 MAM-L, which means that the payload weight is at least 66 kg.

                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 8 November 2020 17: 35
                  0
                  Yes, I also noticed that 66 kg is already a fact.
                  UAV today ... after the weather clears
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            3. Albay
              Albay 8 November 2020 00: 05
              -1

              Then why Erdogan and not Hassan Rouhani?
              we are not Turks Persians!
              Best regards
          2. Leeds
            Leeds 7 November 2020 19: 46
            +2
            Can we buy? We then sold them what they do not have. Oh, did I write this? I hit myself on the arm.
          3. Rubina
            Rubina 7 November 2020 20: 13
            -7
            So we split up with them. We (Azeri Turks) remained in Iran, the other half went to the borders of Byzantium and began to call ourselves the Ottoman Turks after their leader.
          4. deniso
            deniso 7 November 2020 20: 42
            +3
            Quote: MTN
            Quote: svp67
            On all opponents of the Great Ottoman Empire

            In fact, Azerbaijanis have never been part of the Ottoman Empire. They were the founders of the Safavid Empire. Although your answer is not so far from the truth.


            When God decided to create man, he was the first to create an Azerbaijani. Adam was an Azerbaijani. Then he created Eve also an Azerbaijani. And all the other peoples went from them. Do not argue with them. You will find all this in Azerbaijani textbooks. Race in (Azerbaijani) textbooks means This is true. Georgians Armenians Talyshi Udy and other nations appeared in these territories not long ago and prevent the great Azerbaijani people from fulfilling their great mission - to continue the work of God. They get angry when they are not considered as a people (they themselves do not know who an Azeri, Albanian Turks) .They are angry that there is no one on the ancient maps of their state, no one remembers them in the ancient annals. The people of offenders are writing all sorts of nonsense about other peoples. Pity them? Yes, no, because there is no such people. This is an artificially created education that only Turkey and the Bolsheviks in 1918 need.
            1. Rubina
              Rubina 7 November 2020 23: 49
              -6
              We do not need to ascribe Armenian suffering to the "antiquity". We don't have them. Yes, we are a relatively young people. Formed as an ethnic group in the 12-14 centuries, at about the same time as the British, French, Swedes and Russians. This is neither good nor bad, it is just a fact of history.
              Meanwhile, according to the newspaper Le monde, on the night from Friday to Saturday, the Azerbaijani army defeated near Shusha, and now on Saturday civilians and journalists are being evacuated from Khankendi / Stkpanokert.
              1. Victor Tsenin
                Victor Tsenin 8 November 2020 00: 43
                +1
                Of course it happens when MLRS and cannon artillery are documented threshing in cities. What do you want to state by this?
              2. DEVIL LIFE`S
                DEVIL LIFE`S 8 November 2020 15: 39
                -1
                I don't know about the British, Swedes and Russians. But I agree with the statement about the 12-14 centuries of the formation of the Azerbaijani ethnos. But they seem to have a different name for themselves. Best regards, Uzbek.
            2. Skarpzd
              Skarpzd 8 November 2020 05: 22
              +3
              ancient Ukrainians will be offended right now.
              1. Dzungar
                Dzungar 8 November 2020 10: 01
                +1
                The oldest Kazakhs will also be very offended ...
            3. Dzungar
              Dzungar 8 November 2020 09: 59
              +2
              Chinggis Khan was also an Azerbaijani. Well, Buddha and Jesus Christ for sure ...
              1. DEVIL LIFE`S
                DEVIL LIFE`S 8 November 2020 15: 41
                0
                What's the matter with you, such statements, I hope you are joking now?
            4. MIG_2
              MIG_2 8 November 2020 14: 55
              0
              In which Azerbaijani textbooks is this written, can you provide links as evidence?
          5. A good one
            A good one 7 November 2020 20: 45
            +3
            Quote: MTN
            Quote: svp67
            On all opponents of the Great Ottoman Empire

            In fact, Azerbaijanis have never been part of the Ottoman Empire. They were the founders of the Safavid Empire. Although your answer is not so far from the truth.

            Usually they say from the "truth", this is so, if you are not a scout and non-market worker.
          6. poquello
            poquello 7 November 2020 21: 03
            +3
            Quote: MTN
            Quote: svp67
            On all opponents of the Great Ottoman Empire

            In fact, Azerbaijanis have never been part of the Ottoman Empire. They were the founders of the Safavid Empire. Although your answer is not so far from the truth.

            in general, the founders were Kurds, at least according to the main version
          7. A good one
            A good one 7 November 2020 21: 24
            +5
            Quote: MTN
            Quote: svp67
            On all opponents of the Great Ottoman Empire

            In fact, Azerbaijanis have never been part of the Ottoman Empire. They were the founders of the Safavid Empire. Although your answer is not so far from the truth.

            How many classes of education? And so it looks like a student was put in a relay, pussy boobs do not interfere with the bot?
          8. K-612-O
            K-612-O 7 November 2020 23: 49
            +3
            The founders of their own ego can be, but they have always been under someone else. Now Tamerlane, then the Persians.
          9. Guru
            Guru 8 November 2020 09: 38
            +1
            Are you afraid to choke?

            What is not a bug, then the emperor laughing
            1. DEVIL LIFE`S
              DEVIL LIFE`S 8 November 2020 15: 51
              0
              Purely for comparison, no historical claims. We write the state of the Safavids from 1502 to 1722.
      2. Fungus
        Fungus 7 November 2020 17: 49
        -5
        Ash tree stump. Against a normal army, these Turkish UAVs are useless pieces of iron.
        1. MTN
          MTN 7 November 2020 17: 56
          -19 qualifying.
          Quote: Fungus
          Ash tree stump. Against a normal army, these Turkish UAVs are useless pieces of iron.

          Don't say hop until you've jumped over.
          1. Bolo
            Bolo 7 November 2020 19: 18
            +4
            In Ukraine they say "gop" ...
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 21: 12
              -9
              Gop, or Hop, is from the word Hop, which is a shortened version of the word ... Hop * pan (jump) - means in many Turkic languages. The absence of the Cyrillic letter "H", forced to write and speak with the pronunciation of GOP, or HOP.
              1. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 7 November 2020 22: 38
                +5
                Quote: Oquzyurd
                The absence of the Cyrillic letter "H", forced to write and speak with the pronunciation of GOP, or HOP.

                It's funny that the lack of the letter X in the Cyrillic alphabet did not prevent you from writing it.)))))))
                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 22: 40
                  0
                  "lack of letter X in Cyrillic" ???
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 7 November 2020 19: 21
            18
            but what is there to say then? a normal army scans the air around the clock. and a lonely flying drone has no chance. not . You can, of course, collect everything that is and send them to destroy something that has protection in a suicidal last jump) I'm afraid there won't be any drones later) a normal air defense army has all levels. from the neighbor and drove off. a normal army has a military air defense system that always moves with troops of all levels. a normal army will simply start extinguishing the command posts of these drones. and at the same time will cover all possible places of their basing. a normal army will cover the factories that produce them at the same time) and this is a scenario only for the first hours of the database)))
            1. skif8013
              skif8013 7 November 2020 20: 05
              +9
              Quote: carstorm 11
              but what is there to say then? a normal army scans the air around the clock. and a lonely flying drone has no chance. not . You can, of course, collect everything that is and send them to destroy something that has protection in a suicidal last jump) I'm afraid there won't be any drones later) a normal air defense army has all levels. from the neighbor and drove off. a normal army has a military air defense system that always moves with troops of all levels. a normal army will simply start extinguishing the command posts of these drones. and at the same time will cover all possible places of their basing. a normal army will cover the factories that produce them at the same time) and this is a scenario only for the first hours of the database)))

              Yes, the Turks will not fight a normal army. The intestine is thin. And for such databases, their drones are the very thing, and this must be admitted.
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 November 2020 20: 21
              +4
              Quote: carstorm 11
              but what is there to say then? a normal army scans the air around the clock. and a lonely flying drone has no chance. not . You can, of course, collect everything that is and send them to destroy something that has protection in a suicidal last jump) I'm afraid there won't be any drones later) a normal air defense army has all levels. from the neighbor and drove off. a normal army has a military air defense system that always moves with troops of all levels. a normal army will simply start extinguishing the command posts of these drones. and at the same time will cover all possible places of their basing. a normal army will cover the factories that produce them at the same time) and this is a scenario only for the first hours of the database)))

              Imagine that drones will start working on the all-level air defense of a normal army, which it will begin to shoot down in batches, protecting myself. At the same time, the enemy aircraft is destroying the all-level air defense of a normal army, along with the objects that it guards. After the destruction of the destroyed air defense by old drones, air battles begin, and new drones work on tanks, batteries and missile defense systems of a normal army, then simply on crowds of people. Knock them out after suffering losses. Knock out control points, having suffered losses. And they will, conducting air battles, retreat in front of superior enemy forces.
              1. lucul
                lucul 7 November 2020 20: 47
                +1
                Knock out control points, having suffered losses. And, conducting air battles, they will retreat in front of superior enemy forces

                You have such an interesting logic)))
                Let's say they beat me, and I will stand to watch)))) It's clear that whoever started first has the advantage of surprise. But then there is a different alignment))))
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 7 November 2020 21: 04
                  0
                  What a deal! Is there a superiority of your own air force over the enemy's combat aircraft? ))
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 7 November 2020 21: 06
                    -2
                    What a deal! Is there a superiority of your own air force over the enemy's combat aircraft? ))

                    Why not ? Is this option not being considered?
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 7 November 2020 22: 00
                      +1
                      I don't think so - most likely not.
              2. Gato
                Gato 7 November 2020 21: 09
                +3
                drones will start working on the all-level air defense of a normal army, which it will begin to shoot down in batches, I will defend myself. At the same time, enemy aircraft are carrying out all-level air defense

                And the aviation of the "normal" army is picking its nose at this time? You have now almost quoted part of the Douai doctrine: "an armada of bombers in a massive strike" ... and further in the text. In reality, when preparing for war, you look at the budget and painfully choose: buy a lot of UAVs? or ATGM? or tanks? or artillery ammunition? maybe fuel? As a result, there is almost everything, but too little of everything. request
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 7 November 2020 22: 01
                  +1
                  The aviation of a normal army will face no worse, at least, enemy aircraft
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                  2. A good one
                    A good one 7 November 2020 22: 23
                    +4
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    The aviation of a normal army will face no worse, at least, enemy aircraft

                    Correctly said, but probably and so "Aviation decided" for something. yes
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 7 November 2020 22: 53
                      +1
                      Exactly laughing
              3. businessv
                businessv 7 November 2020 22: 19
                +6
                Quote: Krasnodar
                At the same time, the enemy aircraft is destroying the all-level air defense of a normal army, along with the objects that it guards.
                Well, yes, you drew an interesting picture, the whole world is in dust (c), but you forgot about the fact that a normal army has not only layered air defense, but also aviation, including fighter, as well as strategic, which will not fight with We swarm drones, and their control point, together with the home airfield, and at the same time the jump will cover them. So let's be more optimistic, colleague! soldier
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 7 November 2020 22: 54
                  +1
                  And if the control center is overseas? ))
                  1. businessv
                    businessv 8 November 2020 17: 16
                    +2
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    And if the control center is overseas? ))
                    Colleague, I do not believe that you do not remember what VVP said about this! smile "Why do we need a world without Russia?" (c) Ocean YARS is not a hindrance. That's what the Nuclear Deterrent Missile is, as the commander of the strategic forces deciphered the name.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 November 2020 17: 19
                      +3
                      I agree - why do we need a world without Russia when the remaining territories will become part of China? )) Well, nothing will remain of the foe, except for emigrants to Mexico - who can argue laughing
              4. Albay
                Albay 8 November 2020 00: 08
                +2
                Krasnodar, as far as I remember, this is how Israel destroyed the Syrian air defense system in the Bekaa Valley in 1982?
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 8 November 2020 00: 27
                  +3
                  Greetings! hi
                  Demonstration group of manned aircraft to activate the air defense missile system radar + AWACS + drones for setting precise location + OTRK and artillery + assault aircraft for finishing off
                  Operation Medvedka
              5. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 8 November 2020 05: 24
                +4
                possible scenario. but why don't you go further? firstly, they begin to meet aviation much further than drones, simply for the reason that no one will use long-range air defense against drones.) plus you forget that in addition to military air defense there are also object defense) note that I am not specifically touching on the topic of electronic warfare and aviation of a normal army) just in a specific conflict, this is almost nonexistent, so I do not emphasize. Or do you think that after the start of the database, a normal army will not work in decision-making centers and in all aviation bases?))), etc. the conversation was only about the fact that drones are not a panacea and an army that is at least a little ready for war must and will act correctly and have the ability to do so.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 8 November 2020 06: 04
                  +3
                  I described to Mr. Alibek Operation Medvedka of 1982.
                  The situation was as follows - during the Civil War in Lebanon, Syria attacks Israel-friendly Falangist Christians, Jews begin to shoot down Syrian combat helicopters in Lebanese airspace. In response, Syria is deploying a highly echeloned air defense system in Lebanon, planned by Soviet specialists in the manner of covering important facilities in the GDR by the Western Group of Soviet Forces.
                  Under the guise of a Civil War, Palestinians shell northern Israel, shoot the ambassador in London, and the Jews decide to change the Lebanese government to a Christian and obedient one.
                  But, you need dominance in the sky. The Israelis demolish the Syrian air defense in a day, in three days they shoot down about 80 aircraft covering it and the Syrian troops.
                  The Syrians fight well on the ground, but without air cover they lose about 170 tanks on the fourth day due to strikes by the Israeli air force (on the enthusiasm of the Jewish pilots, they mistakenly disparage up to 30 of their tanks).
                  Further - the Syrians could strike at Israeli airfields, Headquarters, artillery, parliament, the office of the head of government. But - that would mean a full-fledged war without air supremacy. Therefore, Pope Assad reduced everything to the transformation of full-scale battles in Syria, the appeal to the USSR for military assistance and the localization of the conflict in Lebanon.
                  A similar scenario - the RF Armed Forces somewhere in Tajikistan are fighting the Americans. What are the blows to decision-making centers? )) I believe that no one will hit the airfields - neither they on ours, nor we on theirs. They will check each other's strengths, the winning side will (partially) fulfill its local tasks and everything will calm down.
                  1. AshPoseidon
                    AshPoseidon 8 November 2020 09: 20
                    +1
                    In short, I understand that a normal army will not fight against another normal army. For they will take everything to the fullest.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 November 2020 11: 10
                      +2
                      If so, then locally a priori
                  2. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 8 November 2020 10: 33
                    +2
                    I remember that. this is what excellent operational planning means. but you forgot to mention the ingenious use of electronic warfare, which even our advisers noted and many consider it the main thing. all this was taken into account and developed. the experience was analyzed and applied. this number will not work now. and again, without a specific army and specific examples, I would have done all the more forty years ago) all this reasoning on the topic. the use of drones in Karabakh fully reflects my opinion that there is simply no normal army there. that's why it happens that way.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 November 2020 11: 14
                      +3
                      It is precisely that since then the data transmission channels began to be "protected" and transferred to the spare automatically
                      On the other hand, the Russian electronic warfare systems, as far as I understand, "jam" the electronics of AWACS aircraft, so it is quite possible that you are right
                  3. Beringovsky
                    Beringovsky 8 November 2020 12: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Syria is deploying a highly layered air defense system in Lebanon, planned by Soviet specialists

                    What's the point, the Syrians worked on it. For 2 years they drove us to the tail and mane, out of every 3 months one month in the field, in tents. Trainings all day long, until completely automatic in different situations. Were the Syrians prepared the same way? I doubt it ..
                    Further - the Syrians could strike at Israeli airfields, Headquarters, artillery, parliament, the office of the head of government.

                    But they didn't, did they? They did not dare, for which they were shocked. As Putin said, if a fight is inevitable, you have to hit first.
                    this would mean a full-fledged war without air supremacy.

                    After such a good blow to the airfields? What then would the Israelites have dominated?
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 November 2020 12: 39
                      +2
                      1) In that situation, only aviation could save the situation - the Syrian reconnaissance UAVs shot enough - what's the point? They beat them with long-range artillery and OTRK, only then the Air Force
                      2) Without air superiority, it was impractical
                      3) an attack on airfields would be ineffective - the aircraft are in protected hangars, the runway is restored in half an hour. In 1973, the Israelis also tried unsuccessfully to strike at Syrian and Egyptian airfields.
              6. Guru
                Guru 8 November 2020 09: 46
                0
                And they will, conducting air battles, retreat in front of superior enemy forces.
                This is subject to the EXCELLENCE of the enemy forces.
                After the destruction of the destroyed air defense by old drones
                Did he understand what he wrote? What kind of air defense was it that his old drones had destroyed.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 8 November 2020 11: 14
                  +3
                  The best in the world, the newest in the world. Overloaded with number of targets
            3. Dzungar
              Dzungar 8 November 2020 10: 12
              0
              Bayraktar are no longer over Karabakh ... They disappeared in some strange way ... They disappeared
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 8 November 2020 11: 15
                +4
                Quote: Dzungar
                Bayraktar are no longer over Karabakh ... They disappeared in some strange way ... They disappeared

                There were only 10-12
              2. MIG_2
                MIG_2 8 November 2020 15: 00
                0
                low cloudiness, so they don't fly much, especially in the mountains
          3. A good one
            A good one 7 November 2020 21: 28
            +4
            Quote: MTN
            Quote: Fungus
            Ash tree stump. Against a normal army, these Turkish UAVs are useless pieces of iron.

            Don't say hop until you've jumped over.

            Shave your chest, hero. The shirt swells. yes
        2. open
          open 7 November 2020 17: 57
          -11 qualifying.
          Against a normal army, an Israeli UAV is better suited.
          1. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 7 November 2020 22: 32
            +3
            You might think the Israeli normal army was opposed.
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 November 2020 18: 20
          -7
          Quote: Fungus
          Ash tree stump. Against a normal army, these Turkish UAVs are useless pieces of iron.

          They can deliver a lot of smut to any army.
          1. Gato
            Gato 7 November 2020 18: 47
            12
            They can deliver a lot of smut to any army.

            Probably not for everyone. UAVs are just another new factor that has appeared on the battlefield, in fact "aviation for the poor." For armies with "adult" versions of the Air Force, Air Defense and Electronic Warfare, this factor is not very important.
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 7 November 2020 18: 51
              -5
              Quote: Gato
              They can deliver a lot of smut to any army.

              Probably not for everyone. UAVs are just another new factor that has appeared on the battlefield, in fact "aviation for the poor." For armies with "adult" versions of the Air Force, Air Defense and Electronic Warfare, this factor is not very important.

              Yes, yes, you are right. But for armies that have the whole set? What is an unmanned vehicle? The key factor providing an advantage ... no?
              1. Gato
                Gato 7 November 2020 18: 58
                +9
                Let's just say: this is far from a key factor, but a tool (one of many) that allows you to complete a task with minimal material and human costs.
                The key factor can be considered the availability of a sufficient number of high-precision ammunition, means of delivery and target designation
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno 7 November 2020 19: 11
                  0
                  // The key factor can be considered the availability of a sufficient number of high-precision ammunition, means of their delivery and target designation //
                  Yes. And you do not think that the kamikaze drone is not a bad economical solution to these tasks. Not a panacea, but very ...
                  1. Gato
                    Gato 7 November 2020 19: 19
                    +6
                    It depends on what tasks and what kind of drone. Destruction of a nuclear power plant or an oil refinery by the Reaper - yes, but a group of Papuans with slingshots - no.
                    And one more thing: explain the fundamental species difference between a kamikaze drone, a KR or, for example, a Javelin-type ATGM.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 7 November 2020 20: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: Gato
                      It depends on what tasks and what kind of drone. Destruction of a nuclear power plant or an oil refinery by the Reaper - yes, but a group of Papuans with slingshots - no.
                      And one more thing: explain the fundamental species difference between a kamikaze drone, a KR or, for example, a Javelin-type ATGM.

                      Less visible than CD, longer range than Javelin. And no less accurate.
                      1. Gato
                        Gato 7 November 2020 20: 49
                        +4
                        Yes, everything is so, but there is also such a parameter as the level of decision-making for application. The KR is at least the brigade level, the ATGM is generally the level of the chest of drawers, and the UAV (depending on the type) can be used in the interests of the squad to the battalion, solving problems that cannot be solved without the involvement of aviation. And in our reality, the use of aviation is coordinated almost at the army level. request
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 7 November 2020 21: 06
                        0
                        This already changes from the setting
                      3. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 7 November 2020 21: 42
                        +3
                        Kamikaze drones are now generally used by one infantryman can already have portable launchers done - the most it is for sabotage groups, the drone scout found a column or checkpoint several kilometers from the group, the group launched drones and destroyed the column and checkpoint from a safe distance, and you can equip these kamikaze drones with warheads from the same RMG RPO RPG 29 and even 82 and 120 mm mortar mines that they can drop when approaching a target. You cannot put air defense and electronic warfare systems at each checkpoint and column, but from Zushek you can shoot at them like a cannon at sparrows.
                    2. lucul
                      lucul 7 November 2020 20: 51
                      0
                      Less noticeable than CR,

                      What is the basis for this statement?
                      Are you sure that Bayraktar is more invisible than the same Tomahawk or Caliber? ))))
                    3. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 7 November 2020 21: 07
                      0
                      Harop is less noticeable. It was about loitering ammunition, kamikaze drones
                    4. lucul
                      lucul 7 November 2020 21: 09
                      0
                      It was about loitering ammunition, kamikaze drones

                      And the barrage ammunition itself is delivered to the target?
                      In Libya, who cleared the sky from drones?
                    5. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 7 November 2020 21: 56
                      0
                      In Libya, there were shock drones, in addition, we are talking about the use of UAVs by a developed country, which has high-quality air forces in addition to these hi
                      Now the arguments about the uselessness of UAVs resemble the publications of the Germans during WWI about the uselessness of tanks, and in parallel they were preparing them, just in much smaller quantities than brita))
                    6. lucul
                      lucul 7 November 2020 22: 00
                      0
                      Now the arguments about the uselessness of the UAV

                      UAVs are just one of the tools of war, like tanks, guns, aircraft, missiles, etc.
                      It is immediately promoted that the UAV is just a panacea, a total advantage over the enemy.
                      Maybe over many countries it is, but not over Russia. She has enough opportunities to defend herself against the UAV.
                    7. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 7 November 2020 22: 11
                      0
                      It is clear that only one of the means. A panacea for any enemy is a preemptive nuclear strike, provided that he does not have such a weapon hi ))
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 7 November 2020 22: 01
                  +2
                  "And the loitering ammunition itself is delivered to the target" - Yes, since it is a drone with an integrated warhead.
                  Polish

                  Israeli

                  American

                  Russian
                3. lucul
                  lucul 7 November 2020 22: 04
                  -3
                  Yes, since it is a drone with a built-in warhead.

                  It meant that the means of delivery of the patrolling ammunition are timely lost, even before reaching the target)))
                4. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 7 November 2020 22: 14
                  -1
                  Quote: lucul
                  Yes, since it is a drone with a built-in warhead.

                  It meant that the means of delivery of the patrolling ammunition are timely lost, even before reaching the target)))

                  Try it, knock the Pole off the first picture hi
                  More precisely, try to see it, first))
                5. lucul
                  lucul 7 November 2020 22: 22
                  +1
                  Try it, knock the Pole off the first picture hi
                  More precisely, try to see it, first))

                  Well, flocks of birds were seen on radars)))
                  Secondly, its range is unlikely to exceed 5 km due to its size, and thirdly, if your UAV or a helicopter hangs in the sky, then the optics may well detect.
                6. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 7 November 2020 22: 53
                  -1
                  If only they do not fly low to the ground using the terrain - and most importantly, tens and even hundreds of thousands of such drones can be produced, since 80 percent of all parts for them are now easily made on 3D printers - no air defense can handle such a quantity knowing the number and variety air defense means of fighter aircraft and radars and their location on the territory of an enemy state, you can calculate how many drones are needed to completely overload the entire air defense, taking into account the operation of electronic warfare systems.
                7. nobody75
                  nobody75 8 November 2020 08: 30
                  +3
                  The AWACS aircraft will see 150 - 200 kilometers away. The electronic warfare will jam the control channels and "spoil" the GPS. Without Starlink and AI in the control center, you cannot control a horde of drones. Now we are checking this in the Karabakh sandbox.
                  Sincerely
                8. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 8 November 2020 14: 19
                  0
                  An AWACS aircraft will see kilometers for 150-200 kilometers. AWACS planes will not see such a trifle - they see cruise missiles, fighters, bombers, medium and large drones, but they will not see mini drones.
                9. nobody75
                  nobody75 8 November 2020 14: 54
                  +2
                  AWACS planes will not see such a trifle - they see cruise missiles, fighters, bombers, medium and large drones, but mini drones will no longer see

                  What do you mean! The outdated A - 50 had the Bumblebee RTK, whose radar operated in the centimeter range! Your drone drive motors have dimensions of the order of several centimeters ... This is not counting the passive direction finding of the radio communication channel with the drone.
                  Sincerely
              2. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 9 November 2020 02: 12
                0
                Quote: nobody75
                The AWACS aircraft will see 150-200 kilometers away. The electronic warfare will jam the control channels and "spoil" the GPS.


                Also at a distance of 150-200 km? smile
              3. nobody75
                nobody75 9 November 2020 08: 47
                0
                Ofcourse, why not? There are at least 5 drive motors and an antenna for communication with the control station. All this cannot be done from plassmasy, and the electronic warfare, unlike the fighter and the crone, does not lead.
                Sincerely
              4. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 10 November 2020 14: 09
                0
                Quote: nobody75

                Quote: Eye of the Crying

                Quote: nobody75

                The AWACS aircraft will see 150-200 kilometers away. The electronic warfare will jam the control channels and "spoil" the GPS.

                Also at a distance of 150-200 km?

                Sure why not?


                Because the transmitter is too powerful.
              5. nobody75
                nobody75 10 November 2020 14: 23
                0
                Exactly! And in the case of AFAR, they are so low-powered! Therefore, only PFAR! The plastic "Exocet" sees the radar for 200 km, and the "magic" drone - down! Correctly?
              6. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 10 November 2020 14: 28
                0
                Quote: nobody75
                Right?


                No. Perhaps you did not understand the question, but it was about "GPS damage" at a distance of 150-200 km.
              7. nobody75
                nobody75 10 November 2020 14: 31
                0
                Excuse me, in Sochi I actually observe when Putin arrives ... And GPS and Glonass deteriorate over the entire city. Cars equipped with glonass trackers "ride" 10 km from the coast along the Black Sea.
                Sincerely
              8. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 10 November 2020 14: 33
                0
                You obviously do not observe the difference between 10 km and 200 km.
              9. nobody75
                nobody75 10 November 2020 14: 42
                0
                Forgive me, do not understand ... A tracker with a SIM card is installed in the car. The tracker sends corodinates - latitude, longitude, altitude to the server. The server calculates the speed and linearly interpolates the coordinates so as not to write too much ... The car drives along Kurortny Prospekt in the aisles of Greater Sochi. When I display the tracks received from the Server on the Open Street Map mosaic, I get a car track. The length of Sochi is more than 200 km. When Putin is not in town. The track on the map passes through Kurortny. When Putin is in the city - the car goes by sea, about 10 km from the coast.
                Sincerely
              10. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 10 November 2020 14: 44
                0
                Quote: nobody75
                Forgive me, don't understand ...


                You do not understand (by the way, you explain it too badly). I'm not asking forgiveness.
              11. nobody75
                nobody75 10 November 2020 14: 49
                0
                Excuse me, but does a person who can personally write a video driver from scratch, for whom AMD, Intel and Nvidia are suckers, need to explain elementary things?
              12. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 10 November 2020 15: 24
                0
                Quote: nobody75
                for which AMD, Intel and Nvidia are suckers


                You are referring to some invented (by yourself) character.
              13. nobody75
                nobody75 10 November 2020 15: 31
                0
                Forgive me, it was you who wrote that write the video driver in 2 months ... Although if you want it so much - be fictional.
                Sincerely
              14. nobody75
                nobody75 10 November 2020 15: 32
                0
                You wanted to write something about the GPS chip and the impossibility of signal damage within a radius of more than 10 km?
                I am all attention!
                Sincerely
              15. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 10 November 2020 15: 34
                0
                Quote: nobody75
                Forgive me, you wrote that write a video driver in 2 months ...


                No, I didn't write that. You are lying.

                Quote: nobody75
                if you feel like it, be fictional


                I am real, but you are arguing with someone made up.
              16. nobody75
                nobody75 10 November 2020 15: 36
                0
                Essentially, can you write something?
                Back in 2000, I read an article about a similar REB method.
                Sincerely
              17. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 10 November 2020 15: 41
                0
                Quote: nobody75
                Essentially, can you write something?


                Essentially what? You are jumping from GPS suppression to video drivers.

                Quote: nobody75
                Back in 2000, I read an article about a similar REB method.


                Like what? I have no doubt that GPS can be suppressed. I doubt it can be done at a distance of 200km. The example of Sochi, in which jammers can be stuck every 100m, does not convince me at all.
              18. nobody75
                nobody75 10 November 2020 17: 15
                0
                It’s not about suppression ... after 100 m it’s impossible to put a jammer - what are the people to do with it? People will have nowhere to walk / drive ... And where can they get electricity for the jammers, if they are put in 1 m? Dig up the whole city to lay cable lines? Do you represent the number of such stations? How to manage them?
                Sincerely
              19. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 10 November 2020 17: 29
                0
                Quote: nobody75
                after 100 m, the jammers cannot be installed - where do the people go?


                After 100 meters it is figurative. If not over 100m, then after 1km. The main thing is that you can instruct a lot of them. Stationary.

                Quote: nobody75
                Yes, and electricity for the jammers is taken from where, if they are delivered after 100 m


                What is the problem? It is unlikely that their capacity is more than hundreds of watts, rather tens.

                Quote: nobody75
                Do you represent the number of such stations?


                I do not see any problems to install dozens of such stations.

                Quote: nobody75
                How to manage them?


                Yes, whatever. Whether by radio or by wire.
  2. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 November 2020 22: 53
    +1
    That's it! soldier
    We have come to the main thing - you need to create your own interceptor drones. good
  3. nobody75
    nobody75 8 November 2020 08: 27
    +1
    From the point of view of aerodynamics and control, a normal loitering ammunition is the Lancet. It has rocket wings and is not tied to satellite navigation systems. Jewish and Polish quadcopters - this is the Lego construction set. I collected these myself last year. "American" - with a forward sweep ... Why? Takeoff Facilitation?
    Sincerely
  4. Vadim237
    Vadim237 8 November 2020 14: 21
    +1
    Jewish and Polish quadrocopters are "Lego" constructors, which makes them easy to use and provides versatility for hitting targets.
  • deniso
    deniso 7 November 2020 19: 33
    +1
    Quote: Gato
    Let's just say: this is far from a key factor, but a tool (one of many) that allows you to complete a task with minimal material and human costs.
    The key factor can be considered the availability of a sufficient number of high-precision ammunition, means of delivery and target designation


    Drones in Karabakh showed themselves only because there was a surprise factor, Armenian arrogance and negligence and weak air defense. Something in Syria about the Bayraktar's successes is not heard.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 November 2020 21: 08
      0
      Did the Syrians manage to knock the Turks out of Idlib?
    2. Victor Tsenin
      Victor Tsenin 8 November 2020 00: 40
      0
      They wrote everything correctly, only suddenness is useless here)
  • lucul
    lucul 7 November 2020 20: 49
    -1
    What is a self-driving car? The key factor providing an advantage ... no?

    Not .
    This is just one of the tools of war)))
  • Reviews
    Reviews 7 November 2020 18: 53
    +5
    Quote: Gato
    UAV - (...) "aviation for the poor"

    Now the Americans are crazy ...
    1. Gato
      Gato 7 November 2020 19: 56
      +7
      Now the Americans are crazy ...

      Americans went nuts much earlier when they calculated the cost of sorties to destroy some shed with a machine gun
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 7 November 2020 20: 50
        +3
        Quote: Gato
        Now the Americans are crazy ...

        Americans went nuts much earlier when they calculated the cost of sorties to destroy some shed with a machine gun

        ... and became the leader of UAV aviation. Precisely because they counted. "Well, beeeeeeeeee ...".
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 November 2020 18: 56
    +4
    Quote: Gato
    They can deliver a lot of smut to any army.

    Probably not for everyone. UAVs are just another new factor that has appeared on the battlefield, in fact "aviation for the poor." For armies with "adult" versions of the Air Force, Air Defense and Electronic Warfare, this factor is not very important.

    The fact of the matter is that countries with very advanced air forces are leading in their development, production and operation))
    1. Gato
      Gato 7 November 2020 19: 01
      +2
      Are ordinary aviation allowed under pressure?
      If you suddenly need a small hammer, why do you need a sledgehammer? So?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 7 November 2020 19: 04
        +4
        Of course not
        They develop, reduce visibility for radars, develop more advanced weapons, and teach how to interact with drones))
        1. Gato
          Gato 7 November 2020 19: 11
          +5
          That's right, not a wunderwaffe, but a new tool that will be effective only as long as it takes time to develop adequate means of dealing with it.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 7 November 2020 19: 23
            +1
            Quite right - then improve
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 7 November 2020 19: 23
      +4
      Quote: Krasnodar
      The fact of the matter is that countries with very advanced air forces are leading in their development, production and operation))

      exactly? not in decommissioning and decommissioning? wink what does the United States have with drone UAVs? the decommissioned MQ-1 and MQ-9 preparing for decommissioning with the wording "not suitable against China and Russia and too expensive against the Papuans." if something was not my idea, but a representative of the arms procurement committee ...
      1. Gato
        Gato 7 November 2020 19: 48
        +3
        Yes, such a process takes place. Only the United States has not stopped developing UAVs in its segment of high-tech virtually unmanned aircraft, which are almost as good as conventional tactical fighters in terms of combat capabilities, but have a significantly lower operational cost.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 7 November 2020 19: 53
          0
          Quote: Gato
          Only the USA did not stop the development of the UAV

          with these I agree. posted this year development tender replaces the MQ-9.
          Quote: Gato
          in its segment of high-tech virtually unmanned aircraft, in terms of combat capabilities almost equal to conventional tactical fighters, but having a significantly lower operational cost.

          what do you mean? belay
          so far the only thing they have done for in terms of reducing operating costs is the F-15x, but it has never been a UAV.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 7 November 2020 20: 04
            -4
            Quote: SanichSan
            tender for the development of a replacement for MQ-9.

            Can you link to this tender? Or are there only journalistic stories?
            MQ-9, in various modifications, will be in service until at least 2030, only in these years there will be a decision to write off or extend the service life. If you call it being prepared for write-off ...
            Old modifications of the MQ-1 Predator are written off (some models are more than 20 years old), the MQ-1C Gray Eagle is not only in service, but will also be purchased. Like the MQ-9.
            There is a good saying about you: "I heard a ringing, but does not know where he is"
            At least read Wikipedia:
            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1C_Gray_Eagle
            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-9_Reaper
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 7 November 2020 21: 20
              +3
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              Can you link to this tender?

              write in the search engine "USA are looking for a replacement for MQ-9" and read.
              ibid statements by Will Roper, Assistant Secretary of the US Air Force for Procurement, Technology and Logistics, regarding these UAVs request
            2. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 7 November 2020 21: 34
              -4
              Where's the tender? What do they want to change for? Or did the official just say that there is a desire to get new UAVs by 2030?
            3. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 7 November 2020 21: 37
              +3
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              Or did the official just say that there is a desire to get new UAVs by 2030?

              and you have not read why this desire arose? belay
      2. Gato
        Gato 7 November 2020 20: 06
        +2
        I mean something like the percussion version of the RQ-170
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 7 November 2020 20: 26
          -2
          The X-47B landed and took off from an aircraft carrier in 2013, and the 2,9-ton Predator C jet has been flying since 2009. Perhaps RQ-180 recently lit up, replacing 170. Several manufacturers announced the creation of a new UAV using the flying wing scheme. A contract has been signed with 4 companies to create a slave drone (XQ-58, UTAP-22 have been flying for several years), 11 more companies want to participate. KMP announced the need to create a new UAV with vertical take-off and landing, etc., etc.
          MQ-1C, MQ-9, MQ-4C are actively purchased by various types of US troops and other countries.
          This all concerns "large" UAVs, in "small" classes there are hundreds if not thousands of projects.
          As of January 2014, the US military operates a large number of unmanned aerial systems: 7,362 RQ-11 Raven UAVs; 990 AeroVironment Wasp of Data Centers; 1,137 AeroVironment RK-20 Cougars; and 306 RK-16 t-Hawk small bass systems and 246 predators and type MQ-1C gray eagles; 126 MQ-9; 491 UAV RQ-7 shadow; and 33 UAVs RQ-4 "Global Hawk" large systems.


          In the United States, the topic of UAVs is being actively accelerated, not that it is dying out.
        2. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 7 November 2020 21: 22
          +1
          Quote: Gato
          I mean something like the percussion version of the RQ-170

          yes, but this is still a concept just like our "Hunter". request
        3. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 7 November 2020 21: 38
          +4
          and the RQ-170 certainly does not apply to cost optimization, so there is a fair share of the likelihood that it will join the rest of the wunderwaffe like the railgun.
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  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 November 2020 21: 10
    +1
    Quote: SanichSan
    Quote: Krasnodar
    The fact of the matter is that countries with very advanced air forces are leading in their development, production and operation))

    exactly? not in decommissioning and decommissioning? wink what does the United States have with drone UAVs? the decommissioned MQ-1 and MQ-9 preparing for decommissioning with the wording "not suitable against China and Russia and too expensive against the Papuans." if something was not my idea, but a representative of the arms procurement committee ...

    And other UAVs will not replace them? laughing
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 7 November 2020 21: 41
      +4
      Quote: Krasnodar
      And other UAVs will not replace them?

      will replace of course! but at the same time it is openly admitted that these UAVs are not suitable for high-intensity conflicts ...
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 7 November 2020 22: 07
        +1
        You can, please, a link to this statement, you can also in English hi
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 7 November 2020 23: 31
          -1
          https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2885561.html
          what I found now. the original source of Defense News. news is no longer news wink
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 8 November 2020 00: 21
          +2
          US Air Force looking for a replacementthe faithful drone MQ-9 Reaper ("Reaper"). This unmanned aerial vehicle has been used by the US military for about two decades. Drones developed for commercial purposes are considered as replacements.

          All the same, they will be changed, and not canceled by the Impact Drone as a type of weapon wink
          According to Roper, The Reaper is ill-suited for a war with Russia and China.
          There will likely not be a one-size-fits-all solution to replace the MQ-9, Roper said. The US Air Force may need drones that are "more advanced, militarily unique" systems, and "they are likely to be expensive," he admitted. In addition, there could be room for drones, which can be reusable but cheap enough to be lost in combat without the big financial cost.

          hi


          Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2885561.html
        3. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 8 November 2020 01: 07
          +1
          Quote: Krasnodar
          All the same, they will be changed, and not canceled by the Impact Drone as a type of weapon

          right. I emphasized that those that are the United States do not suit for reasons completely ignored by the majority of local commentators wink
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The US Air Force may need drones that are "more advanced, militarily unique" systems, and "they are likely to be expensive," he admitted. In addition, there could be room for drones, which can be reusable but cheap enough to be lost in combat without a huge financial cost.

          ah handsome men! the master drank the military budget! good
          IMHO for political, economic and social reasons, cheap American, especially in the field of weapons, this is something that cannot be request
        4. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 8 November 2020 02: 07
          +3
          The results of their "budget drank" often have to be caught up for big money, in a short time and without a clear result)). I thought that the war in Karabakh showed it to everyone, however ...
        5. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 8 November 2020 16: 24
          0
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The results of their "budget drank" often have to be caught up for big money, in a short time and without a clear result)).

          do you mean SDI? the second time on the same rake? nope No.
          Quote: Krasnodar
          I thought that the war in Karabakh showed it to everyone, however ...

          what showed that? that acting from outside the range of air defense can inflict damage to the enemy without taking damage? is this news ??? belay
          and why Karabakh, and not Syria, for example, where are our VKS doing exactly the same thing?
        6. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 8 November 2020 17: 05
          +2
          -No, I mean the release of shock drones announced during the Karabakh war. And the release of the 5th generation aircraft for the conquest of the air dominates, which begins a few years after it stopped in the States, tk. a new series went. In Syria, our aerospace forces bomb people with a maximum of MANPADS, in Karabakh, military and not only air defense systems were destroyed, after which the beating from the air began.
        7. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 8 November 2020 17: 31
          0
          Quote: Krasnodar
          -No, I mean the release of shock drones announced during the Karabakh war.

          sorry what? I understand you would have written "another high-profile advertising campaign", but declare the announcement ??? belay bust wink
          Quote: Krasnodar
          And the release of the 5th generation aircraft for the conquest of the air dominates, which begins a few years after it stopped in the States, tk. a new series has gone.

          do not tell me what is this new series?
          and most importantly, is it worth fussing with all these stealths in light of the successful completion of the ROFAR tests?
          Quote: Krasnodar
          In Syria, our aerospace forces bomb people with a maximum of MANPADS, in Karabakh, military and not only air defense systems were destroyed, after which the beating from the air began.

          military air defense ??? belay 4 Wasps and 1 S300 for the entire NKR, it is not known what the degree of modernization (most likely of the last century) with what crews is unknown? I would be ashamed to issue such an air defense request do the Turks pay you anything for advertising? wink if you suddenly forgot, then the same bayraktars rolled out 4 shells in Syria with a score of 14: 0.
          once again, all that was demonstrated there was strikes against ground vehicles from outside the reach of existing air defense systems. request
        8. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 8 November 2020 18: 11
          +2
          https://regnum.ru/news/it/3099576.html

          The Russian Ministry of Defense has demonstrated the first Orion unmanned reconnaissance and strike systems received by the Aerospace Forces in the spring of this year, the NTV channel reported on October 26.

          Aha laughing
          Tell me about the long-announced Su-57))
          Wasps, Cubes, S-300 - anything more than the barmaley in Syria has. What have I to do with the Turks? laughing As for Syria - the Carapace can roll them out with a score of 0: 100, only SAA Idlib failed to recapture.
          Not at all - they demonstrated the army of the 21st century against the armed forces of the 20th century, and any air defense can be loaded with drones when the aircraft destroys the objects it covers. hi
        9. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 9 November 2020 00: 09
          0
          Quote: Krasnodar
          https://regnum.ru/news/it/3099576.html

          The Russian Ministry of Defense has demonstrated the first Orion unmanned reconnaissance and strike systems received by the Aerospace Forces in the spring of this year, the NTV channel reported on October 26.

          Aha

          Well that's that yes! on the international arms market, you need to be in trend! good pay attention to what is there about "Orion-E". you know what there is "E" wink
          Quote: Krasnodar
          As for Syria - the Carapace can roll them out with a score of 0: 100, only SAA Idlib failed to recapture.

          pff ... Israel also did not win Hasbullah in Syria. Israeli Air Force and F-35 are now trash and losers? wassat
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Not at all - they demonstrated the army of the 21st century against the armed forces of the 20th century
          exactly? Armenians, too, with the UAV, directing artillery and crumbling Azerbaijanis request
          Quote: Krasnodar
          and any air defense can be loaded with drones when aviation destroys objects covered by it.

          load air defense using UAVs ??? and what not to throw in gold bars at once? wassat there are means much cheaper. over there the Palestinians did it with water pipes with an iron dome, and the Syrians did the same with the help of 2 hail and was enough to defeat targets. request
        10. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 9 November 2020 00: 27
          +1
          Type of export, but we do not need? ))
          Do Jews in Syria want to defeat Hezbollah? laughing
          So drones can identify the newest systems and destroy, the Palestinians are figuring out the city, and what the Syrians did with what air defense, I did not understand
        11. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 9 November 2020 21: 33
          0
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Type of export, but we do not need? ))

          why not? need of course! in some quantity. shock UAVs, like special forces, for example, have their own niche in the structure of the army, but the direction of reconnaissance UAVs is much more promising for us.
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Do Jews in Syria want to defeat Hezbollah?

          is not it so? belay type of task to remove Hezbollah from Syria is not set? belay
          Quote: Krasnodar
          So drones can identify the newest systems and destroy

          but they may not reveal and turn into 8-120 million dollars burned out without doing anything request
        12. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 9 November 2020 22: 34
          +1
          1) We need both - sometimes an attack drone is more convenient than another means of destruction
          2) For this, Iran and Shiite Arabs must be removed from there laughing There, the task is to hit warehouses, factories and other facilities that ensure the production and delivery of missiles difficult for the Iron Dome to Lebanon. Lebanese do not agree to produce something for Hezbollah in their country after 2006
          3) Like any weapon hi
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 9 November 2020 02: 17
    0
    Quote: SanichSan
    in light of the successful completion of the ROFAR tests


    The ROFAR prototype was successfully tested. From prototype to serial product - many years. In addition, even the definition of the term "ROFAR" is murky at best.
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 7 November 2020 22: 13
    +1
    Quote: SanichSan
    UAVs are not suitable for high-intensity conflicts

    Here's the news! Has anyone said otherwise? MQ-1/9 were created to break through the USSR / Russian air defense? Or the destruction of tank wedges?
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 7 November 2020 23: 36
      +1
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      MQ-1/9 were created to break through the USSR / Russian air defense? Or the destruction of tank wedges?

      so yes, although some here seem to suggest that it is for this purpose that all shock UAVs are created wassat
      I personally was surprised in the statements of Will Roper that the use of UAVs turned out to be more expensive than the use of conventional aircraft. request
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 7 November 2020 23: 43
      +3
      Quote: SanichSan
      Will Roper was surprised that the use of the UAV was more expensive than the use of conventional aircraft.

      This is how to count. He is not responsible for the lives of the pilots. A10 / 29 will be cheaper, but they do not provide UAV capabilities. In general, drones are not made to save money, they have capabilities inaccessible to manned aircraft. If you can save it, that's good.
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 7 November 2020 23: 55
      0
      Anyway, the term UAV is very broad and it is not clear who is talking about what. There is no normal classification yet.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 7 November 2020 22: 08
    0
    They have a more advanced UAV than the MQ 1 and MQ 9 - the Avenger and the RQ 180 will soon be added to it.
  • deniso
    deniso 7 November 2020 19: 42
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Quote: Fungus
    Ash tree stump. Against a normal army, these Turkish UAVs are useless pieces of iron.

    They can deliver a lot of smut to any army.



    You see ... UAVs are used where the enemy cannot respond. The Russian army has never been sharpened for fighting in limited conflicts. That is why there was such an ambush in Chechnya. In the conditions of constant radio reconnaissance of the front line, the complex use of weapons of various types, if the conflict is large enough

    a) means of electronic warfare will crush the fuck up the entire control system of drones

    b) comrades in control points will definitely receive something from a family of points or iskanders along the reconnoitered coordinates

    c) in the interconnected army air defense system, there are enough means to destroy the UAV and this is not the S-300, because the missile for the S-300 and above is much more expensive.

    d) to use UAVs with modern control and communication systems, it is necessary that the enemy does not have not only modern electronic warfare equipment, but in general, arbitrarily NORMALLY organized armed forces. And not heaps of abreks who can only cut heads.

    So for the next twenty years BLPA is a means of chasing various natives across the mountains and deserts on camels and donkeys.

    Syria in this case is not an indicator at all, because everyone saw how the Syrian army fought before the arrival of the Aerospace Forces.

    Plus, no one canceled the work on satellites, and a UAV without satellite support .. well, really nothing
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 November 2020 21: 17
      +1
      a) EW means will not be able to do this, not at the modern level of technology development
      b) What will come to them if the UAV operators are overseas, control is carried out via satellites, etc.
      c) any air defense can be overwhelmed - the price of Harop is 100 thousand tanks, the cost of the Shell starts at $ 11 million
      d) I see no significant progress in defense against UAVs from the Israeli operation in Lebanon in 1982
      e) work on satellites - it is necessary to shoot them down, expecting similar steps from the enemy
  • A good one
    A good one 7 November 2020 21: 36
    +4
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Quote: Fungus
    Ash tree stump. Against a normal army, these Turkish UAVs are useless pieces of iron.

    They can deliver a lot of smut to any army.

    Indeed, Buddy. Judging by the cons in your direction and on this site. hi
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 November 2020 22: 09
      +4
      Welcome hi
      In my opinion, any danger should be taken seriously, the strength of any enemy is always better to overestimate than to incur losses from underestimation later.
  • Bakinec
    Bakinec 7 November 2020 17: 58
    -5
    The most ancient, the greatest who shout our Karabakh, our half of Turkey, ours half of Georgia. And if tomorrow, God forbid, Russia will weaken, they will begin to shout our Krasnodar, our Sochi.
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 7 November 2020 19: 27
      +1
      Quote: Bakinec
      The most ancient, the greatest who shout our Karabakh, our half of Turkey, ours half of Georgia. And if tomorrow, God forbid, Russia will weaken, they will begin to shout our Krasnodar, our Sochi.

      On the most ancient? Jews and Chinese ... these are the survivors.
      1. Bakinec
        Bakinec 7 November 2020 19: 37
        -8
        Do Jews and Chinese shout our Karabakh? Did Jews and Chinese come in large numbers in Sochi?
  • MTN
    MTN 7 November 2020 17: 58
    -15 qualifying.
    Quote: Victor_B

    The Armenians?
    The Syrians?
    The Libyans?

    And where were the Kurds? And volunteers from Europe and other regions.
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 18: 32
      +9
      This is not the first time I have heard this. Diversify your menu. No offense.
      1. MTN
        MTN 7 November 2020 19: 17
        -10 qualifying.
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        This is not the first time I have heard this. Diversify your menu. No offense.

        That is, you enjoy listening to the mantra with barmaley from Azerbaijan? No hard feelings. I just don't like it when A says and B is hidden.
        Best regards
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 8 November 2020 00: 44
          +1
          I don't care at all. Let you understand - I served both with you and with those. We ate barley together. And you ate with them ... So - the USSR.
          I'm not sure about the barmaley. Any thoughts. But this is not a fact. I have no friends in your area - so I really can't say anything.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 7 November 2020 20: 52
    -1
    At all ... who do not have aviation and air defense
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 18: 12
    +8
    Why are you so happy? Will you kill the Armenians? Is it fun? Did they attack you? Or are you on them?
    Please, a specific answer to the last question - who attacked whom?
    1. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 7 November 2020 18: 28
      +2
      Rafik ne wineuven ... request
    2. MTN
      MTN 7 November 2020 19: 19
      -6
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      Why are you so happy? Will you kill the Armenians? Is it fun? Did they attack you? Or are you on them?
      Please, a specific answer to the last question - who attacked whom?


      Dear Sergei, they attacked us at the beginning of the 20th century, and in 88-93 and occupied our lands, steal our music, steal our dishes, steal our history, kill our peaceful people, children, and moreover do not respect international law ... Do I love them?
    3. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 7 November 2020 19: 26
      -4
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      Did they attack you?

      well it is more like Yes. not right now, but in the 90s .. and by the way they expelled all Azerbaijanis from there ... so the enthusiasm of Azerbaijanis is quite understandable request
    4. MIG_2
      MIG_2 8 November 2020 15: 11
      0
      Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan, this fact is recognized by the United Nations and all countries of the world, including Armenia
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 7 November 2020 18: 12
    -5
    Quote: MTN
    Well done !!! So the hunting season continues ... So the question and the engines have been decided.

    yesProbably wassat Mouzon liked the video. request laughing
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 18: 40
      +5
      Normal - Mouzon ... And if you put Mouzon at the expense of Donbass? Well, yes, I understand - you don't need to figure it out. Don't worry though, I'm Donbass with all my heart.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 7 November 2020 18: 46
        10
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        Normal - Mouzon ... And if you put Mouzon at the expense of Donbass? Well, yes, I understand - you don't need to figure it out. Don't worry though, I'm Donbass with all my heart.
        Let them try to put such a Mouzon against the LPNR. And Ukrainian independence will be immediately called into question. yes Moreover, it is only reckless people who can think of Russians in the LPR to conquer the DPR and LPR-RUSSIANS !!!! wink
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 18: 56
          +3
          Great answer. And the music can be different for everyone. But not Mouzon, we are probably of different ages - Chopin, Theodorakis, and as usual - Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, etc.
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          2. Gato
            Gato 7 November 2020 20: 18
            +2
            Hmm .. Imagine a massive drone attack to the music from "The Nutcracker"
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 7 November 2020 21: 15
              +1
              Quote: Gato
              Hmm .. Imagine a massive drone attack to the music from "The Nutcracker"

              Is it to "Waltz of the Flowers"? wink
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  • Renator
    Renator 7 November 2020 18: 12
    -11 qualifying.
    Quote: MTN
    Well done !!! So the hunting season continues ... So the question and the engines have been decided.

    SLM has long been decided in fact! And there are very interesting new developments!
  • venik
    venik 7 November 2020 18: 14
    +9
    Quote: MTN
    Well done !!! So the hunting season continues ... So the question and the engines have been decided.

    =======
    So it is THEY (Turks) who solved the issue, but NOT YOU (Azerbaijanis) !!!
  • nobody75
    nobody75 7 November 2020 18: 42
    11
    GPS over Karabakh no longer malfunctions and gives correct coordinates and speed?
    The mess ...
    Airborne radar from AWACS aircraft breaks through the dipole clouds, which Armenian chemists put?
    I do not believe...
    However, the fact that it is impossible to close the air for civilian planes in Armenia greatly interferes. Then it would be possible to conduct electronic warfare more intensively.
    Sincerely
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 November 2020 22: 12
      -1
      Electronic warfare against drones is not a panacea - they will not drown out all channels, especially since the source of interference itself can become a target at which the kamikaze drone will be aimed.
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 7 November 2020 22: 16
        +3
        It depends on how the electronic warfare is organized. If you have stations that make "adjustments" to the work of GPS your drone - komikadze will think that it is hovering quietly over the Caspian Sea. How will it be guided in this case? I have seen such a system work.
        Sincerely
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 November 2020 22: 59
          0
          For example, Harop has an autonomous system of work in general - he is allowed to find sources of interference for the operation of the radar and is guided by the source on his own and it is no longer a problem to put an electronic map of the area where it will be launched into the UAV computer and even photographs of the attacked equipment.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 7 November 2020 23: 03
            +2
            Do you understand the difference between an electronic warfare station, which GPS "imitates" and a radar station? The signal of the electronic warfare station is 2 orders of magnitude weaker, there are several of them, and where should the drone aim - to the satellites ?!
            Sincerely
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 8 November 2020 14: 23
              0
              Whatever this station simulates, the drone will fly using an electronic map of the area and focusing on optics and radiation.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 8 November 2020 14: 39
                0
                How will your smart drone determine the altitude and speed? How can the height be determined using optics? up to the height of an evergreen tree? And the latitude and longitude? What is in the visible range (not to be confused with radio. For if you have a rather weak matrix) electronic map of the area? In Karabakh, did someone carry out a complete topography? Or will it be tied to the Soviet geodetic network using an IR laser? Be honest - you just hit the keyboard with your elbow!
                Sincerely
  • Airdefense
    Airdefense 7 November 2020 19: 34
    +4
    And how do you feel about the fact that Turkey is in charge of Azerbaijan, changes ministers at its discretion?
    Here Iran pulled serious forces to the border of Karabakh, and said that it would not tolerate the creation of an Islamist gadiushnik like Idlib, in general, the underdog could drag you into a blood bath.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 7 November 2020 20: 47
      +6
      I wrote back in September that Turkey would want to get access to the Caspian for its "services" in the next war of the Karabakh Franchise. Now, when the Azerbaijani generals were completely removed from the leadership of the operation in Karabakh, Aliyev began to drag out the conflict. As a result, he will declare to Erdagan that with this war he was hit hard and no longer needs Turkish services. On the sly, it will take away all Turkish assets in Azerbaijan.
      Iran will not conduct a ground operation. He will not give Biden a reason to start a war.
      Sincerely
      1. MIG_2
        MIG_2 8 November 2020 15: 14
        0
        is there a sane source for the removal of Azerbaijani generals, except for the pegs-kassandra?
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 8 November 2020 16: 04
          0
          I have. Sources, they are like cigarettes - you need to have your own ...
          Sincerely
          1. MIG_2
            MIG_2 8 November 2020 16: 30
            0
            tobacco has a very bad effect on the brain, you are another proof of this, because only a sick mind can believe the information of Pegov, about the state of the generals of Azerbaijan, stop taking drugs already
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 8 November 2020 16: 40
              0
              Excuse me, but is it now such an Azerbaijani custom to offend the interlocutor? What else will the Wars of the Karabakh Franchise bring you?
              quit already taking drugs

              Do not follow each other and do not speak evil behind each other.

              Sincerely
              1. MIG_2
                MIG_2 8 November 2020 16: 42
                0
                what is an insult, tobacco is a drug, like alcohol, anasha, kokakin and much more
                1. nobody75
                  nobody75 8 November 2020 16: 44
                  0
                  what is an insult, tobacco is a drug, like alcohol, anasha, kokakin and much more

                  O you who believe! Avoid many assumptions, for some assumptions are sinful.
                  1. MIG_2
                    MIG_2 8 November 2020 16: 46
                    0
                    what are you talking about, so from the point of view of Islam, tobacco is forbidden for humans, as it cloudes the mind and harms health. Are cigarettes now produced without tobacco?
                    1. nobody75
                      nobody75 8 November 2020 16: 52
                      0
                      So from the point of view of Islam, tobacco is forbidden for humans, as it obscures the mind and harms health. Are cigarettes now produced without tobacco?

                      Totally agree!
                      I don't cultivate, I don't produce cigarettes, I don't smoke
                      And I will not say anything about the "sources" behind their backs.
                      Sincerely
                    2. MIG_2
                      MIG_2 8 November 2020 16: 56
                      0
                      but at the same time you demand to have cigarettes
                    3. nobody75
                      nobody75 8 November 2020 17: 05
                      0
                      No - it was about their sources.
                      Sincerely
          2. MIG_2
            MIG_2 8 November 2020 16: 42
            0
            How frightened you decided that I am Azerbaijani?
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 8 November 2020 16: 46
              0
              Well, I will consider that you are not an Azerbaijani ...
              Sincerely
              1. MIG_2
                MIG_2 8 November 2020 16: 47
                0
                and you will count correctly, I am Avar
                1. nobody75
                  nobody75 8 November 2020 16: 48
                  0
                  Great!
                  Sincerely
                2. MIG_2
                  MIG_2 8 November 2020 16: 55
                  0
                  share your sources, with the exception of the pegov, because everyone with this information refers to the pegov as our last resort
                3. nobody75
                  nobody75 8 November 2020 17: 02
                  0
                  How do you imagine that? These are my good friends from Azerbaijan.
                  Azerbaijan is at war. Their words can be regarded as betrayal. It turns out that I blasphemed them behind their backs. Since I cannot say anything bad about them, and they are not on trial, I will not disclose their names.
                  Sincerely
                4. MIG_2
                  MIG_2 8 November 2020 17: 04
                  0
                  they tell you everything on the phone, probably they themselves are sitting in the general staff of Azerbaijan
                5. nobody75
                  nobody75 8 November 2020 17: 08
                  0
                  No, not by phone ... but close ...
                  And please stop poking.
                  May your words be beautiful

                  Sincerely
                6. MIG_2
                  MIG_2 8 November 2020 17: 13
                  0
                  pigeon mail is sent ... we had a free society and everyone addressed each other exclusively by you
                7. nobody75
                  nobody75 8 November 2020 18: 10
                  0
                  Let it be a pigeon ... I am concerned about another question ... Since there is a free society here ...
                  I have already asked it. If in this War of the Karabakh Franchise the Armenians gain control over Karabakh, it is roughly clear what will happen next. The Karabakh clan will continue to engage in their "crafts", but there will be a bad world. And if the Azerbaijanis liberate / cleanse Karabakh? What's next? What do you think?
                  Sincerely
                8. MIG_2
                  MIG_2 9 November 2020 11: 56
                  0
                  further they will develop this region, unlike the Armenians
                9. nobody75
                  nobody75 9 November 2020 14: 58
                  -1
                  Why didn't they develop it under the USSR?
                  Sincerely
                10. MIG_2
                  MIG_2 9 November 2020 18: 22
                  0
                  developed, about 1 people lived there, now a little more than 000, but there were more Armenians living on this territory than now
                11. nobody75
                  nobody75 9 November 2020 19: 53
                  -2
                  And who wrote the complaints to the Central Committee?
                  Sincerely
                12. MIG_2
                  MIG_2 9 November 2020 20: 16
                  -1
                  you are still in the circus rf, advise you to write complaints about the elections
                13. nobody75
                  nobody75 9 November 2020 20: 31
                  -1
                  Go to health!
                  Sincerely
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 7 November 2020 22: 29
    +1
    Shkolota, who are they good for?
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 8 November 2020 00: 39
    0
    Your hunt is over, you just did not realize it, well, or you see, only what you want) But this is nothing, not a reproach, reality will put everything in its place.
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 17: 44
    -11 qualifying.
    Here, and then many "supporters" happily tore their collars, that the Turks were all gone.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 7 November 2020 17: 54
      +8
      Only real application will show how good it is. So far, this is only an advertising campaign. And where do the Turks get the matrices from?)))) They are produced by only 6 countries and Turkey is not on this list)))
      1. MTN
        MTN 7 November 2020 18: 00
        -15 qualifying.
        Quote: TermNachTER
        And where do the Turks get the matrices from?)))) They are produced by only 6 countries and Turkey is not on this list)))

        Can you share this information about 6 countries?
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 7 November 2020 19: 28
          +4
          USA, France, Germany, Japan, South Korea, China. I mean large matrices with a high degree of resolution, and not what is used for domestic purposes.
      2. no one
        no one 7 November 2020 19: 34
        -2
        They have been used for a long time on anchors and attack helicopters. Just harder than Canadian ones. Therefore, on small bayraktars they did not use it before
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 7 November 2020 19: 45
          +1
          Maybe they are used, but where were they taken?)))) And will they be able to take them now, when the Turks are beginning to "cut off oxygen" from all sides.
          1. no one
            no one 7 November 2020 19: 55
            -1
            That was the answer to the question of how good it is. And what about the block, block where the Armenian lobby is only.
        2. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 20: 14
          +1
          Wescam MX-15 ... Canada
          total weight ......................................... 55 kg.
          optical resolution ................... 1920 x1080 (px)
          thermal resolution ....................... 640 x 512 (px)
          laser wavelength .......................... 860 (target designation (?) suggests that 15 km)
          \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
          Aselsan CATS ..... Turkey
          total weight ......................................... 65 kg.
          optical resolution ................... 1920 x1080 (px)
          thermal resolution ....................... 640 x 512 (px)
          laser wavelength .......................... 1064 (target designation up to 30 km)
          \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
          The Turkish counterpart weighs 10 kg more, and the price is slightly more expensive, but
          functionality is stronger.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 7 November 2020 21: 08
            +3
            Forgive me, which functionality is stronger? The matrix is ​​the same - Chinese. Not a word about the optical system. Is the laser more powerful? I doubt, and you will not be able to illuminate the target for 30 km in the mountains. Both backlight lasers operate in the near infrared range, Canadian at a wavelength of 860 nanometers, and Turkish at 1,064 micrometers. We installed different LEDs ...
            Sincerely
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 21: 21
              +2
              I did not invent them, I cited data from the manufacturer. Initially they said that cameras for Anka-S are better than Canadian ones. And on Anka-S the same Aselsanov ones are installed. It's too lazy to look, but here a few weeks ago all the data of these cameras were given, and on some points Turkish cameras were better than Canadian ones. Look at articles about drones, you will find yourself.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 7 November 2020 21: 35
                +4
                I did not invent them, I gave data from the manufacturer

                Forgive me, you gave data on Chinese matrices and LEDs, the same Chinese. In addition to camera matrices and laser LEDs, the UAV optical-electronic station consists of an optical system, a stabilized platform with drives and some kind of computer that captures the image from the matrix, presses it with a codec, performs georeferencing, processes commands, etc. Depending on the hardware architecture and software. Are you saying that you produce hardware, drives and software yourself?
                Sincerely
          2. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 7 November 2020 21: 22
            +3
            If the matrices are Chinese, then I want to remind you that, firstly, China does not like the fact that Turkey is climbing into Central Asia, and secondly, China does not like the fact that Uyghur militants are trained in Turkish camps in northern Syria. So the "oxygen can be cut off" at any time, if not already cut off.
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 7 November 2020 21: 39
              +4
              There, forgive me, the stone is unsoldered, it is not clear whose. It is not clear whose motherboard ... I suspect that everything is Chinese .... The Canadians ordered the development of the Chinese or took a ready-made board. And the Turks bought it. Optics is not clear.
              With respect.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 7 November 2020 23: 30
                -1
                Well, making optics is still easier than growing a large silicon (germanium) crystal or what semiconductors are now made of.
                1. no one
                  no one 8 November 2020 01: 47
                  0
                  Aselsan has its own optics
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 8 November 2020 11: 06
                    0
                    Yeah ... his ... Carl Zeiss and nephews ...
                    1. no one
                      no one 8 November 2020 11: 38
                      0

                      Here is a little about optics
                      1. nobody75
                        nobody75 8 November 2020 11: 45
                        0
                        Excuse me, you didn't recognize the machines? What's in this Turkish production - employee robes? And if you take a full cycle, then the video should be 4 hours!
                        With respect.
                      2. no one
                        no one 8 November 2020 12: 21
                        0
                        Do you want all your machines to be your own at once? Do not forget that only 15 years ago Turkey took up these matters. And the zeyts are already 150 years old
                      3. nobody75
                        nobody75 8 November 2020 13: 56
                        0
                        You see ... This site has a lot of people from "back then". You will not surprise them with these kind of videos ... According to the old Soviet practice, everyone understands what is at the plant of the design bureau, in which boys from good families and girls of model appearance "work" ... And they are engaged in ... filming in such videos and imitation of violent activity. And serial products are made from components that come from Germany.
                        Sincerely
                      4. no one
                        no one 8 November 2020 15: 30
                        0
                        Your problem is that you judge the whole world by the old Soviet practice. The video shows part of the process, centering and grinding the lenses. Not an assembly ready-made. We will ask the aselan to film the whole process for you. But even then you will say that the electricity there is produced from imported gas
                      5. nobody75
                        nobody75 8 November 2020 16: 01
                        0
                        Have you seen the number of machines on which lenses are milled in the frame? And what did the young man have on the display? Detailing of a civilian optical sight?
                        Sincerely
        3. nobody75
          nobody75 8 November 2020 08: 15
          +1
          Growing a crystal is not the most difficult thing. Developing a working architecture is much more difficult. For microprocessors, there are only two of them in the world, and soon one will remain.
          Look, as an example, at our Zelenograd suffering.
          Sincerely.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 8 November 2020 10: 55
            -2
            I will not argue, I am far from all this. Previously, we had a Silicon Polymer plant in Zaporozhye, which grew crystals, and then the 77th plant made microcircuits from them.
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 8 November 2020 11: 00
              +1
              Let's go to us, to Russia ... together with the factories. To produce signal processors! And then on our SJC Texas Instruments. Even for communication with the submarine are used.
              Sincerely
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 8 November 2020 11: 04
                -2
                those factories died long ago, like many others.
              2. nobody75
                nobody75 8 November 2020 11: 08
                0
                Come on to us anyway. At the Olympics, many "effective managers" were burned. Only "battle necromancers" remained - so we will revive the factories.
                Sincerely
              3. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 8 November 2020 11: 11
                -2
                With pleasure. Everything is moving towards that, but only slowly.
              4. nobody75
                nobody75 8 November 2020 11: 13
                0
                Sorry, I'm personally afraid to accelerate ... MS Gorbachev's "acceleration" was enough for the eyes.
                Sincerely
              5. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 8 November 2020 11: 15
                -2
                And I'm afraid that at such a pace, I will find only the very edge of a return to a normal country and life. Although, God forbid, that children live in a normal country.
              6. nobody75
                nobody75 8 November 2020 11: 22
                +1
                Your truth ... will have to take risks ...
                Sincerely
  • nobody75
    nobody75 7 November 2020 21: 41
    +3
    But the embroidered software the Canadians probably wrote themselves ... And the Turks will have problems with it.
    Sincerely
    1. no one
      no one 8 November 2020 01: 51
      0
      There is already a working unit on the video, with working software
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 8 November 2020 08: 15
        +1
        This is strange ...
        Sincerely
  • nobody75
    nobody75 7 November 2020 22: 08
    +4
    I once again looked at the table with the parameters that Dear Jeyhun gave us, and it dawned on me ...
    It is unlikely that the Turks, having stolen the hardware, wrote software just as quickly. And what if they did it easier ... Canadians supply components for the "independent" Ukrainian optical-electronic station. Svidomo resell them to the Turks. The Turks put a different LED on the same port and voila! Turkish product!
    Thanks to Jeyhun - he is just a godsend for a spy.
    Sincerely
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 22: 23
      +1
      Yes, please, everything is publicly available, on the internet)) I am amazed at the efforts and desires to belittle the achievements of the Turkish industry as a whole. China, Canada, then Austria, then something else ... they all produce, and the Turks stole the pamadores: ) Firstly, to steal and use also requires a lot of effort and knowledge, industrial and technological potential. Secondly, such a miracle happens that the "thieves" of the Turks have better UAVs than the Chinese, while Canada and Austria, in my opinion, do not have them at all, if there is something, then some kind of hell)))
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 7 November 2020 22: 27
        +3
        Can you give me an example of a Turkish or Azerbaijani OS? And the video codec? Do you also make microprocessors yourself? And are they their own architecture? But this is not the main point. Even if you did all this yourself in two weeks, you will not be able to replace one station with another.
        Sincerely
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 22: 35
          0
          If you are talking about Aselsan CATS, then they have been installed on Anka-S since 2018, and work has been going on for a long time to adapt and install them to Bayraktar tv2
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 7 November 2020 22: 39
            +4
            You see! You don't even understand what I am writing about! I remember the head told me a story about certification at a Soviet institute. An Azerbaijani computer science teacher is asked:
            - What programming languages ​​do you speak?
            - Russian, Azerbaijani.
            A curtain.
            Sincerely
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 22: 46
              +1
              In my opinion, you are confusing me with a specialist from the Aselsan company. How can I know what they produce there. I reason that it is in the public domain that the user is allowed to know. They will produce microprocessors, build a plant, with Malaysians. The rest I do not know.
            2. nobody75
              nobody75 7 November 2020 22: 51
              +3
              Microprocessors they will manufacture, build a factory, with the Malaysians

              Yes, yes ... I completely agree with you WILL BE and BUILD ... And the finished station is already being installed on the UAV!
              You are confusing me with someone! I am for the Friendship of Peoples!
              Let the Society of Ukrainian - Azerbaijan Friendship "UkrAzSpilka" be under the aegis of NATO.
              Thank you for opening the working diagram.
              Sincerely
            3. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 23: 02
              +1
              Understand, now in the world almost everything is produced in cooperation. Look, cars, planes, ships, etc. all have suppliers from different countries. A German car is not German at all, if you look at how many countries are involved in the production and supply of parts and components. .Likewise, in everything UAVs, Airplanes, and far away, countries are trying to let in what is at greater risk under sanctions. And so it is not necessary to let every screw and screw in. I know that the Turks are also going this way. They try to let in the critical. details at home. Not all done, but they work in this vein. I didn’t confuse you at all, and didn’t talk about it, I just talked.
            4. nobody75
              nobody75 7 November 2020 23: 04
              +3
              I am also glad to communicate.
              Thanks you.
              Sincerely
            5. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 23: 05
              +1
              And thank you hi
            6. maktub
              maktub 8 November 2020 00: 14
              -1
              Guys do not quarrel, infa flashed that Zelensky, being in Turkey, together with Erdogan, called Trudeau. I think everyone has settled laughing
            7. VORON538
              VORON538 8 November 2020 07: 30
              0
              You yourself know who gets richer with a dummy :)))
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 9 November 2020 02: 25
    0
    Quote: nobody75
    Can you give me an example of a Turkish or Azerbaijani OS? And the video codec? Do you also make microprocessors yourself? And are they their own architecture?


    Why is this all? OS and codecs are publicly available, microprocessors (SoCs) are bought in China.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 9 November 2020 08: 44
      0
      What do you mean why? Although you are right. We catch the first Syrian refugee we come across, we promise him $ 2000, it is not necessary to give him, and he writes firewood to the hardware of the Turkish ECO overnight and collects a custom kernel. And by morning so that everything works! Aren't you funny yourself? Only the illumination laser should be tested for a month if you change its frequency. It is necessary to check that its IR GOS understands, in fog, in rain at different temperatures, etc.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 10 November 2020 14: 14
        0
        Quote: nobody75
        We catch the first Syrian refugee, we promise him $ 2000


        You are clowning.

        Quote: nobody75
        and he writes firewood to the iron of the Turkish ECO overnight


        Writing drivers for even the most complicated hardware takes several months of work in the most difficult case.

        Quote: nobody75
        collects a custom kernel


        "Builds a custom kernel," I cried. A bunch of business - to collect the core.
      2. nobody75
        nobody75 10 November 2020 14: 19
        0
        Have you collected a lot in Russia? How long has the war been going on? Two month? However, cry further over the "heap" of business ...
        Sincerely
      3. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 10 November 2020 14: 21
        0
        Quote: nobody75
        Have you collected a lot in Russia?


        Custom kernels? Yes many. Drivers too.

        Quote: nobody75
        However, cry further over the "heap" of business ...


        I cried with laughter.
    2. nobody75
      nobody75 10 November 2020 14: 27
      0
      You clown

      You didn't write this to the author of a comment about 2-3 satellites for navigation ... Although any taxi driver knows that in practice you need to see 10 of them .... Where is your fairness ?!
      And a custom kernel needs to be assembled with video traces ... Write them in a couple of months from scratch ...
      Sincerely
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 7 November 2020 23: 33
    -1
    Not to be confused - painstakingly copied and designed and made by yourself. The current situation can show how independent Turkey is in matters of production.
  • no one
    no one 8 November 2020 01: 45
    0
    Calm down already. It has long been used on anchors and helicopters, and did not appear 2 days ago
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 8 November 2020 11: 02
      0
      Yes, yes, of course, with racially pure Turkish "stones", boards, wasps, lenses and drives ...
      Sincerely
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 7 November 2020 22: 15
    0
    Or maybe all the same matrices are Taiwanese - and Taiwan is not China.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 7 November 2020 22: 21
      +3
      and Taiwan is not China

      Tell the Chinese about it ... The main thing is that the prots are Ukrainian!
      Sincerely
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 November 2020 23: 01
        -1
        Taiwan has a separate army and a government - and the state is in tough opposition with China.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 7 November 2020 23: 28
      0
      Does Taiwan produce matrices? They have strong electronics, but not all of them produce themselves.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 November 2020 14: 25
        0
        Apparently yes - if they produce microprocessors then spit out the production of matrices
  • ANB
    ANB 7 November 2020 17: 55
    +3
    ... that the Turks had lost everything.

    But in Karabakh, the UAVs for some reason stopped flying.
    And they already wrote on VO, I repeat: the Soviet Granites flew further, faster and were autonomous. So this is the beginning of the 80s.
    1. MTN
      MTN 7 November 2020 18: 00
      -4
      Quote: ANB
      But in Karabakh, the UAVs for some reason stopped flying.

      Rains and fog ((((((((((((((Even in Baku (
      1. ANB
        ANB 7 November 2020 18: 04
        +3
        And Granite flies in any weather. And there is a more modern replacement for it.
        The weather does not interfere with SU-24, let alone 34 and 35.
        And fog is such a thing, it can form at any time.
        1. MTN
          MTN 7 November 2020 18: 12
          -5
          Quote: ANB
          And fog is such a thing, it can form at any time.

          In mountains and forests, especially in autumn, it can form much more often than you think.
          1. ANB
            ANB 7 November 2020 18: 19
            0
            So I'm talking about the same thing.
      2. Reviews
        Reviews 7 November 2020 18: 54
        0
        Quote: MTN

        Rains and fog ((((((((((((((Even in Baku (

        ... even in the IR ...
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 7 November 2020 18: 16
      -3
      Quote: ANB
      But in Karabakh, the UAVs for some reason stopped flying.

      Today's Anna news report.

      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 November 2020 22: 21
        0
        Azerbaijan does not use drones, and now the Armenians are driving all the equipment out of shelters and driving all possible forces from other fronts, increasing their concentration in this area - and it’s the Azerbaijanis and now the Armenians will concentrate everyone there, and then they will cover them with a massive artillery and missile strike. and everyone who is not covered with drones will be bombed.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 7 November 2020 22: 23
          -1
          As one of the scenarios. But the Armenians have no choice.
      2. MIG_2
        MIG_2 8 November 2020 16: 32
        0
        so look at the sky, the clouds are almost at the very ground, so low and the balloon will not fly, especially in mountainous conditions
  • Prahlad
    Prahlad 7 November 2020 17: 51
    -9
    It gives excellent picture quality. This is much worse for us. Great job
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 18: 43
      +2
      Great picture quality? Are you a stupid person? Excellent quality ... dear mom ...
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 7 November 2020 17: 52
    -3
    Aselsan is a well-known and serious company. They employ almost 7 people, of whom 000 are developers.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 7 November 2020 21: 25
      +2
      Developers of what?)))) Mostly Turks "rip" from others, where they can. But so far it is not very successful. They will not reach their own developments, at a serious level, soon.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 7 November 2020 22: 25
        -2
        Quote: TermNachTER
        Developers of what?)))) Mostly Turks "rip" from others, where they can. But so far it is not very successful. They will not reach their own developments, at a serious level, soon.

        This is not so, but okay, let it be Your way, they distort everything. In order to qualitatively distort electronic equipment, optical equipment and precision mechanics, very serious specialists and a large investment of time are required.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 7 November 2020 23: 24
          -1
          With this I agree, they learned to copy, although not everything works out for them.
        2. nobody75
          nobody75 8 November 2020 11: 20
          0
          Excuse me, but how do you imagine "high-quality scuffing" in digital electronics? And its political consequences? As an example, the successful "reporters" of 286 Prots and their descendants are now "wandering" around Minsk on weekends, Luka is being kicked out. As for system programming, there is Linux forever.
          Sincerely
  • Reviews
    Reviews 7 November 2020 17: 53
    0
    The Ottomans give ... Promptly. Ours would like to learn.
    1. MTN
      MTN 7 November 2020 18: 02
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: Avis
      The Ottomans give ... Promptly. Ours would like to learn.

      The Soviet Union fought not only against the fascists, but also alone against the Atlantic bloc. If they really want to in Russia, they can create much better ... Sirokorsky whose helicopters in the USA, where was he from? You see, I think that in Russia there are brains and means .......... you just have to really want.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 7 November 2020 18: 03
        -3
        Quote: MTN

        The Soviet Union fought not only against the fascists, but also alone against the Atlantic bloc. If they really want to in Russia, they can create much better ... Sirokorsky whose helicopters in the USA, where was he from? You see, I think that in Russia there are brains and means .......... you just have to really want.

        RF is not the USSR. And Sikorsky is not even here at all. This is three eras ago.
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 18: 15
          +2
          Sikorsky escaped.
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 7 November 2020 18: 49
            +2
            Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
            Sikorsky escaped.

            He didn't run away. For three months he quite officially received travel documents and left his homeland in a regular way as an emigrant on a steamer from Murmansk or Arkhangelsk (I don't remember exactly that). And before bothering about the documents for a couple of months, I just wandered around after the closure of the RBVZ air department. Yes, I lost all my savings invested in RBVZ shares, but I didn't run away. Shidlovsky escaped with his son; their fate is tragic. Sikorsky - no.
            However, I repeat - "Sikorsky is not here to the village." A completely different era. Three eras ago.
            1. Sergey Averchenkov
              Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 19: 02
              +4
              I read all your comments and tried to penetrate them ... But damn it, Sikorsky escaped anyway. No, didn't you run away? Was he not in the USA? Didn't she make helicopters for them? That's all, Sikorsky is certainly a talented engineer, but he is not ours ... so, some memories.
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 7 November 2020 19: 23
                0
                Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                No, didn't you run away?

                No.
    2. private person
      private person 7 November 2020 18: 44
      -5
      The Ottomans give ... Promptly. Ours would like to learn.

      But we are building oil and gas pipelines that will never pay off.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 7 November 2020 17: 58
    -10 qualifying.
    And on the Ukrop sites there was news that the Luch design bureau presented a mock-up of an attack drone, designed on its own initiative. With Ukropov's optical-electronic system and eight missiles.
    1. maktub
      maktub 7 November 2020 18: 44
      -8
      Today I read, if everything is as Korostylev says, then the piece turned out to be credible.
      The set includes both SAR and radar for detecting ground and sea targets, an optical sighting station with three channels and a laser rangefinder
      Three engine options
      Song in one word laughing
      1. maktub
        maktub 7 November 2020 20: 40
        0
        Excellent minus for the news!
        As Akhedzhakova said in the notorious film: - "then we must take." laughing
      2. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 7 November 2020 20: 58
        +2
        Quote: maktub
        Today I read, if everything is as Korostylev says, then the piece turned out to be credible.
        The set includes both SAR and radar for detecting ground and sea targets, an optical sighting station with three channels and a laser rangefinder
        Three engine options

        this?

        Korostelev spoke about him in the previous issue of the Defense Express Journal (channel). That after Neptune, technical solutions are being introduced, including into a new UAV.
        Whether they will give money for production is the most difficult question. Although funding has increased.
        1. maktub
          maktub 7 November 2020 23: 49
          0
          Yes, there was just a presentation.
          There is an article on Defense Express, where everything is written in detail
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 7 November 2020 17: 58
    -2
    The issue of import substitution has long been faced by Turkey, but they did not advertise this, they report when the problem is solved! Ours should have learned so ten years ago!
    1. Justme
      Justme 7 November 2020 18: 11
      +3
      In the mid-2000s, my friend and I regularly traveled to Ukraine for a conference of engine builders.
      There we were introduced to an old man with a stick, and he had a group of young people of 5-7 people. As we were told, they were working on an engine for a drone of one of the NATO countries. For which one? - there was a certain silence and we did not have direct contact to ask in detail.
      But this question remained.
      1. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 7 November 2020 18: 24
        +3
        In the mid-2000s, he took part in an international conference with the participation of Russia and Ukraine, so Ukrainians refused to speak Russian from another (simultaneous translation was present), only in English - they probably wanted to offend! laughing I spoke to everyone else in English, I spoke Russian with them, I listened to the answers in English with a terrible accent laughing
        There is no problem to put Rotax on your UAV (it is sold on Ali), or to copy it. The problem is and remains in the control unit! When a neighbor turns on a Chinese jammer, communication, Wi-fi, bluetooth and alarms do not work within a kilometer radius! laughing
        1. Justme
          Justme 7 November 2020 19: 33
          -2
          This group, mentioned above, was engaged in "working out work processes", obviously this is a bunch of combustion processes and general dynamics. This was done using some kind of imported software.
          The problem of interference is not a problem if the problem of the solution is set initially and with adequate specialists.
    2. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 18: 47
      -8
      The video is more than two years ago. But even then it was possible to understand the level of Turkish companies and their capabilities. Whoever does not know, for them, for general information.
      1. Justme
        Justme 7 November 2020 19: 59
        +1
        There is another method for assessing the balance of the level of development of specific countries.
        I'm a techie and I use torrents a lot. We can mention that our rutracker.org, and when you downloaded a specific software, you can estimate who will copy it from you. Turkey was well represented there.
        Earlier, when I downloaded books on signal processing from one of our sites, there was an indicator - from which places they are still downloading. There were marked points from Israel (and this is understandable), .. but Iran was also widely represented.
        In my opinion, it's just a sin not to use our pirates for analytics ..
        .. Besides, there are some gorgeous new options.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 7 November 2020 18: 13
    0
    Quote: TermNachTER
    Only real application will show how good it is. So far, this is only an advertising campaign. And where do the Turks get the matrices from?)))) They are produced by only 6 countries and Turkey is not on this list)))

    how are matrices from? where most smartphones, chips, motherboards, etc. originate from. guess with 2 times. there are at least 2 candidates and they are not friends at all wassat
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 November 2020 22: 25
      -1
      I doubt very much that Taiwan is not Turkey's friend.
  • hydroy
    hydroy 7 November 2020 18: 20
    +2
    Over the past 48 hours, 9 Turkish bayraktars were shot down in the sky over Artsakh
    1. Airdefense
      Airdefense 7 November 2020 19: 36
      0
      If not a fake, then Russia helped with air defense.
    2. Asad
      Asad 7 November 2020 19: 40
      -1
      What is your evidence?
    3. MIG_2
      MIG_2 8 November 2020 15: 20
      0
      How, if they have not been flying for several days due to strong clouds?
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 8 November 2020 17: 01
        -3
        pictures also show) are knocked down by bayraktars)
        1. MIG_2
          MIG_2 8 November 2020 17: 03
          0
          the only photo shown was taken in libya, last year
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 8 November 2020 17: 26
            -4
            not) shot down today!



            1. MIG_2
              MIG_2 9 November 2020 11: 57
              0
              not funny ourselves, give out a bunch of aluminum for a UAV
            2. MIG_2
              MIG_2 9 November 2020 11: 58
              0
              the remains were supposedly on fire, but the inscription "bairakat" and the Azerbaijani flag were not even smoked, were they laundered for a photo?
              1. hydroy
                hydroy 9 November 2020 15: 40
                -2
                I xs, there are such frames)
  • flicker
    flicker 7 November 2020 18: 33
    +6
    But in the last battles near Shusha they were not. The Armenian side calmly used heavy equipment.
    It looks like the Bayraktars are having vision problems.
    ---
    And yes, how about Turkey creating its own navigation system such as GPS or GLONASS?
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 7 November 2020 18: 41
      -4
      // Looks like Bayraktars are having vision problems. //
      So they are copy-paste .... Now, if the "sources" had problems .. laughing
    2. Airdefense
      Airdefense 7 November 2020 19: 35
      0
      The weather is not very good there now for a UAV.
    3. no one
      no one 7 November 2020 19: 41
      +2
      They do not fly, but they were shot down. On the ground or what?
      1. Rubina
        Rubina 7 November 2020 20: 21
        -7
        Semyon Pegov personally shot down all 33 Bayraktar near Shusha, sitting in Stepanakert
    4. no one
      no one 8 November 2020 02: 20
      0
      I heard that the development is underway. At what stage it is not clear. And of course there will be only regional coverage. More is not needed and will not pull so many satellites economically. A lot of attention is paid to systems outside of gps. By relief
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 8 November 2020 11: 34
        +1
        A lot of attention is paid to systems outside of gps. By relief

        Do you already have a 3d map of the globe with reference to some racial Turkish datum?
        And how often are you going to update it?
        Do you remember what happened to the shuttle that tried to compose it?
        Are the Americans just throwing money into Elona Musk?
        How do you imagine the installation of a radar from headlights, with a mapping function on a drone?
        It will have to be completely redesigned ...
        Best regards
        1. no one
          no one 8 November 2020 12: 16
          +1
          So the whole globe is not needed. A maximum within a radius of 2,5-3 thousand km is enough. 2-3 satellites are probably enough to cover the area of ​​interest. I'm not a specialist, I just know that development is underway
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 8 November 2020 14: 21
            +1
            How to tell you ...
            This world was shrouded in deep darkness.
            Let there be light! And then Newton appeared.
            But Satan did not wait long for revenge.
            Einstein came - and everything became as before.

            Since the appearance of SRT and GRT (By the way, I personally believe that Einstein's wife taught everything bad - Riemannian geometry and tensor analysis -) we live in a 4-dimensional world (x, y, z, ict), where t is time. So wherever you are, you will need at least 4 satellites to determine the coordinates. To all this, for military purposes, it is necessary that they broadcast in two different frequencies - in order to take into account the signal delay in the ionosphere.
            Sincerely
            1. no one
              no one 8 November 2020 15: 38
              0
              Well 4 so 4. Turks do not need grouping of satellites at all points of the ball. Bl east, north africa, center of europe and middle asia. Enough
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 8 November 2020 16: 14
                +1
                Turks do not need grouping of satellites at all points of the ball. Bl east, north africa, center of europe and middle asia

                You understood me wrong!
                Three satellites for coverage are theoretically possible. But only if you are a supporter of the Flat Earth Theory. By the way, the number of your like-minded people is growing all over the world.

                But even in Pratchet's Flat World Model, the creation of a satellite navigation system is impossible!
                First, in this model, the speed of light is not constant.
                Secondly, time is quantized, and its accurate measurement can lead to unpredictable consequences.
                And thirdly, the great A - Tuin (Turtle) will simply eat up all the navigation satellites.
                Sincerely
                1. LiSiCyn
                  LiSiCyn 8 November 2020 23: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: nobody75
                  But even in Pratchet's Flat World Model, the creation of a satellite navigation system is impossible!

                  Taking off my hat. I reread it twice, but it’s very hard. laughing
                  Quote: nobody75
                  And thirdly, the great A - Tuin (Turtle) will simply eat up all the navigation satellites.
                  good
                  hi
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 9 November 2020 09: 08
                    +1
                    Sorry, but I am very .... I am an Asian myself, but next to the Azerbaijanis gathered on the site I feel "racially inferior". Overnight, they assemble a custom Linux kernel with firewood for new ECO equipment. Plastic stepper motors and antenna devices for drones are printed on a 3D printer. But I didn't manage to print a normal gear ... They launch a satellite navigation system of 3 satellites. And all that I have done to develop GLONASS is the project of the Ragozin Trampoline Center. I even came up with the concept of a banner for it!
                    Below are happy children. Jumping on trampolines ...
                    In the middle - the Bright Face of Dmitry Olegovich.
                    And at the top of the text: "How do you like Elon Musk?"
                    Sincerely
                    1. LiSiCyn
                      LiSiCyn 9 November 2020 09: 38
                      +1
                      Greetings, Ilya! hi
                      Quote: nobody75
                      I'm Asian myself

                      You have an interesting surname ... I'm even at a loss in guessing what nationality what... I myself am to some extent "Asian". Born and raised in Kazakhstan, in Alma-Ata.
                      Quote: nobody75
                      Overnight, they assemble a custom Linux kernel with firewood for the new ECO equipment.

                      You are very savvy. They are not pretty. I, by the way, too. laughing
                      Quote: nobody75
                      And at the top of the text: "How do you like Elon Musk?"

                      I agree. It would be better if he was silent and engaged in business.
                      Best regards
                      1. nobody75
                        nobody75 9 November 2020 10: 46
                        0
                        Good afternoon, Stas! I am half Kazakh and half Russian by nationality. Was born in Moscow. I live in Sochi, so I know the buyback. And as for the savvy ... We have an It cluster in Sochi, since the gambling zone with the casino did not work. It was a blow for two "equally respected diasporas". By the way, yesterday local Azerbaijanis rolled around the city with flags - they celebrated. How did you celebrate the "great victory"?
                        Sincerely
  • rocket757
    rocket757 7 November 2020 18: 40
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    If not about goals and objectives, then the normal process of organizing the production of the necessary products.
    It’s bad that all of this is basically not for the purposes of peace.
    But this is the world .... if you want peace, you armed yourself to the very top with modern weapons, otherwise it could be bad.
  • Master
    Master 7 November 2020 18: 44
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    Quote: hydroy
    Over the past 48 hours, 9 Turkish bayraktars were shot down in the sky over Artsakh

    Wow. You have already shot down more than 200 bairaktars there. Taking into account that in total, about 120 pieces were produced. I suppose you make bayraktars yourself, and then shoot them down?))
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 7 November 2020 18: 51
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      It seems to me that everything that flies is unmanned - Bayraktar)
    2. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 18: 59
      -4
      No, he counts the kamikaze of drones that hit the tank or the installation of hail, and believes that the drone is destroyed on impact, puts a pebble smile
  • maktub
    maktub 7 November 2020 19: 24
    -4
    The picture is clear, no worse than with Canadian optics
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 7 November 2020 19: 59
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    Quote: MTN
    Quote: Alexander Kopychev
    Then why Erdogan and not Hassan Rouhani?

    The domination of Azerbaijanis over Persia, which lasted for millennia, alas, ended after the last Shahinshah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi 1979. But I hope that someday North and South Azerbaijan will unite. Justice must prevail.

    Best regards
    What's stopping you now? If the Republic of Azerbaijan joins Iran, the Azerbaijani Turks become the majority in Iran.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 7 November 2020 20: 02
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    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    And on the Ukrop sites there was news that the Luch design bureau presented a mock-up of an attack drone, designed on its own initiative. With Ukropov's optical-electronic system and eight missiles.

    Continuation of the old project, with a new one for about one and a half years, it seemed like they were born. It is called Sokol-300.
  • Old26
    Old26 7 November 2020 20: 08
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    Quote: ANB
    And they already wrote on VO, I repeat: the Soviet Granites flew further, faster and were autonomous.

    Why compare a drone with a supersonic cruise missile ???

    Quote: MTN
    In mountains and forests, especially in autumn, it can form much more often than you think.

    Why is there fog. Autumn weather has begun, the clouds have become lower and until lunchtime the clouds are roaming the city. And this is at a height of only 8 hundred meters above sea level. What then is in the mountains?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 7 November 2020 20: 11
    +2
    This is to be expected. Turkey produced its own ECO and the engine to replace Rotax could make or select a fairly common unit themselves. But so far we have not heard about the replacement of other components and it is not clear that the Turks will be excommunicated from the Global Positioning System.
    1. gohomeyanki
      gohomeyanki 8 November 2020 03: 55
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      so, so far we could not if you read the article. it is written that a more powerful engine Rotax. But the Rotax engine is again CANADA.

      We plan to make our own engine for the new model. Here is the main word in the plans.

      As for the engine, it is supplied not for military purposes, but for light-engine aircraft, and thus there is a ban, and engines from Italy are then transferred to Turkey. So something like this, import substitution is in full swing, perhaps just stickers will interrupt.
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 7 November 2020 23: 25
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    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5f47313694c86652b080ee19/petr-pervyi-i-armiane-5fa28f6ff278637dd4f278e2
  • Klingon
    Klingon 8 November 2020 00: 44
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    Quote: Vadim237
    I doubt very much that Taiwan is not Turkey's friend.

    one of two things: if China is Turkey's "friend" then Taiwan is definitely not a friend. If China is not a friend, then Taiwan will be Turkey's friend just to annoy China. In short, one of these two will supply Turkey with boards anyway .. and I suspect so strongly that this is Taiwan, because China pinches the Turkic-speaking Uighurs laughing
  • MIG_2
    MIG_2 8 November 2020 14: 52
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    well done Turks, now they need to sue the Canadians for not fulfilling contractual obligations
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 8 November 2020 19: 44
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      Quote: MIG_2
      well done Turks, now they need to sue the Canadians for not fulfilling contractual obligations

      I think the Turks will immediately lose, not because they have some wrong position, but because Turkey must be punished!
      Gazprom also loses all courts in the EU, with 100% position
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 9 November 2020 01: 43
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    Quote: denis obuckov
    Quote: MTN
    Quote: svp67
    On all opponents of the Great Ottoman Empire

    In fact, Azerbaijanis have never been part of the Ottoman Empire. They were the founders of the Safavid Empire. Although your answer is not so far from the truth.


    When God decided to create man, he was the first to create an Azerbaijani. Adam was an Azerbaijani. Then he created Eve also an Azerbaijani. And all the other peoples went from them. Do not argue with them. You will find all this in Azerbaijani textbooks. Race in (Azerbaijani) textbooks means This is true. Georgians Armenians Talyshi Udy and other nations appeared in these territories not long ago and prevent the great Azerbaijani people from fulfilling their great mission - to continue the work of God. They get angry when they are not considered as a people (they themselves do not know who an Azeri, Albanian Turks) .They are angry that there is no one on the ancient maps of their state, no one remembers them in the ancient annals. The people of offenders are writing all sorts of nonsense about other peoples. Pity them? Yes, no, because there is no such people. This is an artificially created education that only Turkey and the Bolsheviks in 1918 need.

    Find and show us, please, where such heresy is written in Azerbaijani textbooks. if you don’t show, then you are an ordinary Armenian balabol.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 9 November 2020 01: 49
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    Quote: Airdefense
    And how do you feel about the fact that Turkey is in charge of Azerbaijan, changes ministers at its discretion?
    Here Iran pulled serious forces to the border of Karabakh, and said that it would not tolerate the creation of an Islamist gadiushnik like Idlib, in general, the underdog could drag you into a blood bath.

    The wildest nonsense. Do not pass off Armenian fakes as real facts. You are somehow easy, everything that Semyon Gabrielyanov (Pegov) produces in his factory of Armenian dreams you perceive as real facts.