The Ministry of Defense declassified documents about the military parade on November 7, 1941

On November 7, Russia celebrates the day of military glory, remember the events of November 1941. Exactly 79 years ago, a legendary parade took place on Red Square, proving to the whole world that the fighting spirit of Soviet soldiers was not broken.

The Ministry of Defense published materials on the preparation and conduct of the historic parade on Red Square on November 7, 1941. Archival materials can be found on the website of the military department in the section "November 7, 1941. Moscow. Red Square".

The November parade in the capital became a landmark event, a turning point in the battle for Moscow. He showed that despite the colossal difficulties, the stubborn bloody battles near the walls of Moscow, the capital will not be surrendered to the enemy. It was after this parade, held at the most formidable hour of the war, that thousands of young people from all over the country sought to volunteer.

- declared in the Ministry of Defense.

According to archival documents, the military parade on November 7, 1941 took place not only in Moscow, but also in Kuibyshev (Samara) and Voronezh. Moreover, in Kuibyshev, unlike Moscow, there was an air unit.

The military department noted that declassified documents from the funds of the Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense were published as part of the program for the protection and protection historical truth, counteraction to falsifications of history, attempts to revise the results of the Second World War.

Comments

[Alf]

What's declassified here? Everyone knew this anyway. Although ... the NEXT generation knows little about the 41st parade.
By the way, the link for November 7 does not open.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I wanted to give you a plus, but it turns out I already did it ... Some kind of disorder ... only by the end of the day there is a topic about November 7th ... I have already noted, in principle, but do not mind repeating! :)

[Alf]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

I wanted to give you a plus, but it turns out I already did it ... Some kind of disorder ... only by the end of the day there is a topic about November 7th ... I have already noted, in principle, but do not mind repeating! :)

Thank you! +.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Some kind of disorder ... only at the end of the day there is a topic about November 7th ... I have already noted, in principle, but do not mind repeating!

I was also surprised, everything went silent, I really congratulated the people, but still got it unpleasant. Worse than Victory Day.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Spit on everyone - do as you see fit.

[Pereira]

Congratulations.
We celebrate in a quiet way. While.

[Machito]

Quote: Pereira

Congratulations.
We celebrate in a quiet way. While.

Why quiet? Because there is no snow? But the northern people stayed, and if we need snow, we'll conjure it up.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pereira

We celebrate in a quiet way. While.

We sat at work and noticed everything, as always, in good times. With gatherings, with cold vodka, and a simple snack from our garden, we remembered the good, forgot the bad. We smoked and parted.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

SEMI-truth is NOT true. "The parade in honor of the legendary 1941 parade did not take place ..." And in honor of WHAT was the legendary parade? WHO took it? Silence. Smells bad. As well as the Mausoleum closed by the decorations and the HIDDEN and FARED TRUTH about the past ...

[Civil]

The parade was to commemorate the 24th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, and today's gentlemen, what do they have to do with it? Why are you excited? The Red Army paraded and piled on the fascists. What does a capitalist country in decline have to do with Soviet power?

[Pereira]

Direct. Those who rule us now, then, were defeated. And in 1917 and 1945.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Pereira

Those who rule us now, then, were defeated.

Oh, how ... They are already writing here from the 3rd Reich.

[VORON538]

No, our rulers were now in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and it was not the party that won the war, but the multinational Soviet, now the Russian people. And even if the adherents of revolutions are driven into their skulls, this is a fact!

[Pereira]

The division of the people and the party is Goebbels' main trick.

[VORON538]

The party itself separated itself from the people. What then, what now. Compare the salary depot of the State Duma with the average in Russia. And most of these depots were members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Moreover, these same depots pass laws by which the people have to live.

[Pereira]

By the party I do not mean in any way either the Khrushchev Trotskyists or the Zyuganov opportunists.

[mat-vey]

Quote: VORON538

No, those who ruled us now used to be in the Communist Party

How many nobles there were in the CPSU (b), and how many nobles there were in the red army ...

[Shuttle]

Quote: VORON538

No, our rulers were now in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and it was not the party that won the war, but the multinational Soviet, now the Russian people. And even if the adherents of revolutions are driven into their skulls, this is a fact!

Please clarify. The people won on their own, alone, thanks to their natural ingenuity and innate ability to spontaneously self-organize defense and concentrate efforts in the offensive? Or did the monogonational Soviet people still have some kind of leading political body?

[Essex62]

Exactly. Under the leadership of the Bolshevik Party, the multinational Soviet people defeated Nazism. And people fought for socialism, against the capitalist aggression of the West. And the degenerates who restored the wildest capitalism of the early 20th century in the USSR were only members of the CPSU, but were not communists.
Who was the first to attack, remember? Who stood to death and supported the fallen in spirit soldiers by word and personal example. My grandfather always remembers the pilot-political worker, a Jew by nationality, who closed his yak from the messer's line with his plane. The hero did not even receive medals.

[Pereira]

Don't know any other bad words? You're funny, Alexander.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Civil

and today's gentlemen have to do with him?

Something like this

[ZEMCH]

By the way, the link for November 7 does not open.

Correcting the cant on the link)))
http://parade1941.mil.ru

[nnm]

It’s not about the fact of the parade, but about the documents for its preparation. For example, that the parade itself was called in the organizational documents "the operation of the troops of the Moscow garrison" and so on. That is, we are talking about interesting facts of preparation. And the fact that for some reason many people write that the parade itself was classified - well, with all my desire, I do not remember this in any period of our history.

[Thunderbolt]

You are telling the archival and true information. But, understand people, today is November 7th - the red day of the clendar. Our deep people remember this and know everything about the Red Army. But now the generation is coming --- complete 0 in the assessment of the Russian revolution. It seems that the current regime is panicky afraid of a repetition of the situation when the alligarchs were thrown off and a nation of workers and peasants flew into space. Armenians and Azerbaijanis beat the Germans near Berlin. It was the USSR, so think ...

[Doctor]

The Armenians and Azerbaijanis stabbed the Germans near Berlin.

Cool. You also say - under the leadership of a Georgian.

And where were the Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians (and everyone else) at that time?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Arzt

And where were the Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians (and everyone else) at that time?

All were together, all 15 republics, and it is not known how many nationalities. Look, in Dagestan alone there are more than 50 nationalities.

[Doctor]

All were together, all 15 republics, and it is not known how many nationalities. Look, in Dagestan alone there are more than 50 nationalities.

Yes sir. That's why we won.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Arzt

Yes sir. That's why we won.

The main thing is not to forget about it. We, a multinational country, will forget about it and Russia will be taken away to its holes. How the USSR was taken away. I have nothing to share with either an Armenian locksmith, or a Lithuanian milling machine operator, or an Uzbek farmer.

[mat-vey]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

All were together, all 15 republics, and it is not known how many nationalities.

Ay-ay ... 16 republics ...

[mat-vey]

I don't know who put a minus, on the one hand these are his problems, but on the other hand he has problems - a critical gap in the knowledge of the history of his country. Maybe instead of surfing the Internet, just take up the hardware, at least the basics?

[Tochilka]

Obviously, the first on Leningradskoye, the second on 1, 2, 3, 4 Ukrainian, the third on 1, 2, 3 Belarusian. There was news on VO about something similar. Stupidity, of course.

[Doctor]

Obviously, the first on Leningradskoye, the second on 1, 2, 3, 4 Ukrainian, the third on 1, 2, 3 Belarusian. There was news on VO about something similar. Stupidity, of course.

Well, this is if you count the "yak in Ukraine" - as the front is called, such people are fighting in it.
Then, of course, Berlin was taken by the 1st Belorussian and 1st Ukrainian fronts.

But even in this case, I don’t remember who commanded the 1st Armenian or 1st Azerbaijan front, which pounded the Germans near Berlin.

[mat-vey]

Quote: Arzt

But even in this case, I don’t remember who commanded the 1st Armenian or 1st Azerbaijan front, which pounded the Germans near Berlin

Maybe because they stopped calling them in 1943, leaving only a volunteer recruitment?

[Doctor]

Maybe because they stopped calling them in 1943, leaving only a volunteer recruitment?

Didn't know that, thanks for the info.
Well, that's right, you need to take care of valuable personnel.)))
The decision is quite in the spirit of Comrade Dzhugashvili.

[mat-vey]

Quote: Arzt

The decision is quite in the spirit of Comrade Dzhugashvili.

And you wonder why such a decision was made on the T-bills ..

[Doctor]

And you wonder why such a decision was made on the T-bills ..

I asked. Like unreliable.
Well, what a comfortable position.
We are unreliable, we will stay at home, and you are reliable Vanya, shove into the trenches.
Now, by the way, not everyone is called on either.

PS. Along the way, I found statistics, I don't know how true.
6% of Central Asians served in the Red Army.
This is to the question of who defeated the German.

[mat-vey]

They are not only not reliable, they are also very "trainable" ... And they consume resources like normal fighters ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: nnm

And the fact that for some reason many people write that the parade itself was classified - well, with all my desire, I do not remember this in any period of our history.

perfectly fair comment.
But usually, under such articles, begins a sabbath of hypocrites and offended Stalinists concerned with educating the younger generation. Those who imagine themselves to be historians from God and, concurrently, bearers of sacred truth. It touches the passionate desire to implant its historical and worldview matrix into the nexus, which, of course, is the "next generation", "stupid, uneducated", "does not like the homeland", etc.

[Alexander Kopychev]

I would like to see the German archives, I hope that something similar happened there that day!

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

I don't remember the Georgians among the generals of the Wehrmacht. Guderiani?

[Alexander Kopychev]

I do not know what the demoniac gnawed, but certainly gr-r-r-r-rrrryyyzzzzz !!!!

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Alexander Kopychev

I don't know what the demoniac gnawed

nothing. Perhaps nails, if you believe the reports of British spies

[Revolver]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Quote: Alexander Kopychev

I don't know what the demoniac gnawed

nothing. Perhaps nails, if you believe the reports of British spies

Even on my feet, who cares? The main thing is that he cracked the ampoule with cyanide, which is a pity. A hemp tie would suit him very much.

[Terenin]

Quote: Alf

By the way, the link for November 7 does not open.

It looks like it's classified again

[Deniso]

Not a word about the anniversary of the October Revolution. How the current government jars from these words! How have not yet written that the parade was held in honor of the day of national unity.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: denis obuckov

from these words jarring!

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Alf

Although ... the NEXT generation knows little about the 41st parade.

And how can she know if we have a parade in honor of the parade. And it is not at all clear why it was held on November 7, if the day of "unity" is now November 4 And yes, the opposition to falsification of history is on the face.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

Why was it necessary to keep these materials secret for so long ???

[Egoza]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

Why was it necessary to keep these materials secret for so long ???

And so as not to think about why it was possible to hold SUCH PARADE in 41m, but in 2021? Unknown. And no one is standing on the platform of the Mausoleum!

[kalibr]

Dear Elena! But it was secret data in 1965, and in 75, and 85 ... Well, okay ... 85th. But why not before? There was Soviet power, the parade was a patriotic thing, why not then? How many books about the war were published then, the pioneer detachments were called by the names of pioneer heroes ... Where is the truth in the documents? So what about 2021 you have unconvincing ...

[Egoza]

Quote: kalibr

But it was secret data in 1965, and in 75, and 85 ... Well, okay ... 85th. But why was it not possible earlier?

Because then Khrushchev's line continued - to discredit and forget Comrade I.V. Stalin! And the parade of the 41st is the Stalin's parade. And he stood on the podium, and there is a chronicle about this, despite all rumors that "he left Moscow." And those who were "at the top" in 1965, in the 75th and 85th .... Would THEY have stayed in Moscow? So they were silent, because they admitted to themselves that they, well, did not even reach the rank of leader. But I wanted so badly .... Here and "secret" so that people do not make unnecessary comparisons. And the Soviet government was no longer quite the same.

[kalibr]

Quote: Egoza

Would THEY stay in Moscow?

But they stayed, didn't they? And why did not we have Soviet power already in 1965? Until just under Stalin, VICTORY DAY WAS NOT CELEBRATED! Victory Day between 1947 and 1965 was an ordinary day when the entire population worked without a single hint of a holiday. Under Stalin, and after him Khrushchev, this day was considered a working day, and all people had to go to work in the morning and return from it late in the evening. It was already Brezhnev who made it festive.
"So they kept secret so that the people did not make unnecessary comparisons." So who kept it secret more than others? It turns out Stalin himself ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

And I, you know, Vyacheslav Olegovich, most of all like the version circulated by our hyperpatriots about Hitler's "rage", who, they say, learned about the parade on the radio and ordered, allegedly, to "bomb the parade" immediately. All this, of course, is done with thoughtful remarks "according to the recollections of eyewitnesses," while the "documentary drama" of NI Potapov is quoted word for word, which is very mediocre, it should be noted.

PICTURE XX
Hitler's apartment. Early morning. Hitler comes out of the bedroom in pajamas, turns on the radio. Russian speech is heard. They broadcast a report about the parade on Red Square in Moscow. Hitler first listens, then screams hysterically.

Hitler. I do not believe! I do not believe! It can't be! I do not believe!

Eve comes out of the bedroom.

Eve. Adolf, what happened?

Hitler. I do not believe! It can't be!

Eve. What's up, Adolf? Why are you so excited?

Hitler. Listen to what Russian radio is broadcasting!

Eve (listening). So what? Some kind of reportage is being broadcast.

Hitler. This is a reportage about the parade of Soviet troops on Red Square in Moscow.

Eve. Yes? Interesting.

Hitler. This is a failure! This is a failure! This is a shame for our army! This is a shame for the German nation! (Sobs.)

Well, and so on. So, this pulp for those suffering from dementia is quite seriously quoted by TV Star, Channel 1 and other scraping media, passing off as a completely historical fact. Especially the conversation of the Fuhrer with the commander of the 12th bomber squadron (XZ, what a squadron, not a single KG with such a number was in the Luftwaffe bomber aviation) - word for word. Then in the play Goering and Brauchitsch (also in pajamas, I suppose) join this party.

The masses have never known a thirst for truth. They demand illusions, without which they cannot live.

Freud

[Sergey Averchenkov]

You are exactly a paragraph.
"The masses never knew" - who are you? Are you not the masses? Are you special? Exceptional? If one hundred thousand million know that this is so, then with your knowledge you can go to the toilet. Although you can shout here that Kutuzov often had constipation, but then you will have a place in the "ear of Moscow". Although you may already be there.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

... The masses never knew "- who are you? You are not the masses? Are you special?

Are you, sorry, are you opposing Freud now?

... If a hundred thousand million knows what is so,

how much? one hundred billion, I'm afraid the old Earth will not stand, alas.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Freud is a category?
One hundred thousand million is a humorous phrase if you don't get it.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Freud is a category?

Uh ... What, excuse me?

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

One hundred thousand million is a humorous phrase if you don't get it.

Ah, clearly ... Ridiculous, sir. Enchanting joke.
“When people talk about us mathematicians like bread crumbs, that's a lie!” ©

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I'm sorry. :) Not really, you thought that "one hundred thousand million" can someone seriously say? :) But was there any hope? Truth? :)))))
So what is your Freud? After reading your Freud once, I felt like I was covered in shit. Oh, is this really a category for you? Sorry, but not for me.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

... After reading your Freud once, I felt like I was covered in shit

I have no more questions.

[Avior]

Hitler did not seem to speak Russian
Eva Braun too.
How did you guess that this is a parade in Moscow, and not in Kuibyshev, for example? Riddle.
By the way, why was there a parade in Kuibyshev? There, it seems, was preparing a spare capital in case of surrender of Moscow?

[kalibr]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

The masses have never known a thirst for truth. They demand illusions, without which they cannot live.

Freud

Only Pushkin said better than him: But you know yourself: senseless rabble
Changeable, rebellious, superstitious,
Easily empty hope betrayed,
To instant suggestion is obedient,
For the truth is deaf and indifferent,
And she feeds on fables.

[AnderS]

? Until just under Stalin, VICTORY DAY WAS NOT CELEBRATED! Victory Day between 1947 and 1965 was an ordinary day when the entire population worked without a single hint of a holiday.

Enough to carry a blizzard, that this day was not celebrated either under Stalin or under Khrushchev. Or maybe your only day off can be a holiday? Since 45, this day has been a holiday, you can read the filings of any both all-Union and local newspapers for November 7 from 46 to 65, maybe then you will find out how this holiday was "not celebrated" ... Stop broadcasting liberal-fascist tales about how the USSR did not celebrate May 9 ...

[kalibr]

Andrew! Do you advise ME to read the files of old newspapers? To me?

[AnderS]

Do you advise ME to read the files of old newspapers? To me?

And what are you so outstanding that you can't even advise? Or do you not know how to read? When the Bolsheviks did not fall under the educational program?
Judging by your comments, you should read them if you are under 60 and reread if you are older. And then, honestly, people are tired of people who always confuse soft with warm.

[kalibr]

Quote: AnderS

AnderS (Andrey)
Today, 20: 30

Do you advise ME to read the files of old newspapers? To me?

And what are you so outstanding that you can't even advise? Or do you not know how to read? When the Bolsheviks did not fall under the educational program?
Judging by your comments, you should read them if you are under 60 and reread if you are older. And then, honestly, people are tired of people who always confuse soft with warm.

Andrew! And you type in the Internet "all the books of Shpakovsky V.O." And take a look at my profile. There you will find 1400 articles, many of which are written on archival documents and newspapers. Moreover, here I had a series of articles "The Poisoned Pen" for the newspapers of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR. I am a Ph.D., Associate Professor, author of 6 university textbooks on journalism, PR, advertising, and the theory of public opinion management. So I really am a very outstanding person, imagine. Behind his back is his magazine "Tankomaster", published from 1991 to 2007, and 40 printed books in the USSR, Russia, England and Germany ... Do you know many who have more? So, if anyone confuses soft with warm, it is not for me. So you can advise, of course. But I also want to advise you: before you write to someone here, go to this person's profile. There are many interesting things!

[mat-vey]

Quote: Egoza

. Here and "secret" so that people do not make unnecessary comparisons.

Everything is most likely simpler and lies on the surface - secrets about services that ensure the security of the conduct and counteraction to saboteurs and intelligence, and they, as you know, with deadlines and subscriptions, are still mothballed ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: kalibr

Dear Elena! But it was secret data in 1965, and in 75, and 85 ... Well, okay ... 85th. But why not before?

Well, I don’t understand about secrecy, but how many times the parade footage was shown and written about it. Yes, and all of us the older generation knew from our parents. Rather, it was classified under Eltsyn, so that the younger generation would not see it, how our grandfathers and fathers went straight from the parade to the front, like my brother's father-in-law. In order not to be seen in the stands of the Stalin Mausoleum.

[kalibr]

Quote: tihonmarine

Rather, it was classified under Eltsin

Well, you don't need to fantasize. You yourself write ... they showed it all the time ... There was only no access to the documents. And it is enough to go to the website of the Ministry of Education to see that it was not under Yeltsin ...

[kalibr]

Quote: tihonmarine

In order not to be seen in the stands of the Stalin Mausoleum.

Now you can see everything on the Internet !!! Or do you only watch TV?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: kalibr

Now you can see everything on the Internet !!! Or do you only watch TV?

And I don’t know, I can only watch TV via the Internet, but we don’t have TV like in your understanding.

[RUSS]

Quote: tihonmarine

Rather, it was classified under Eltsin

Vladimir Putin extended the secrecy regime for data on the Great Patriotic War until 2040.

[fruc]

And the events with the Kursk submarine will probably last forever. Everything is shrouded in mystery!

[Doctor]

Well, I don't understand about secrecy,

Look at the composition and affiliation of the troops.

[bubalik]

why wasn’t it possible earlier?

,,, the archives were not opened all, so for a diversion, according to the materials of the NKVD and NKID about that parade, the stamp "secret" has not yet been removed. Not everything is so simple, those more the Ambassador of Bulgaria Ivan Stamenov about the parade designed to demonstrate the power of the Red Army, reported from Kuibyshev to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Confessions of the Bulgarian Kingdom:

“The celebration of the Soviet anniversary was held according to the old program ... Voroshilov is here, as it seems he is engaged in the formation of units for the front in the regions located east of Samara. At the parade, assembled units of about 2 infantry divisions were shown, artillery - meager and old, horses - village, exhausted, aviation - old and training models; people - from Siberia and various nationalities "...

[kalibr]

Quote: bubalik

those more the Ambassador of Bulgaria Ivan Stamenov on the parade designed to demonstrate the power of the Red Army

And this is something personally me, Sergei, most of all and depressing. On the one hand, we are talking about the fight against falsification of history, that young people are not interested in the knowledge of the Second World War ... And how could she be interested in reading stamps without references to primary sources? But on the other hand, the archives are closed until ... the twentieth year. It would seem something to hide when we have TWO indisputable facts: we won a terrible war (the first) and ... the USSR no longer exists (the second). Nobody will take our victory away from us, and it is really impossible to restore the USSR. So ... what to worry about and what secrets to hide? On the contrary, show the whole world how strong our state is, that there is nothing that can shake it. And we are stepping on the same rake, hiding something, not talking, but at the same time we want the youth to "love their homeland."

[bubalik]

when we have TWO indisputable facts: we won a terrible war (the first) and ... the USSR no longer exists (the second). Nobody will take our victory away from us, and it is really impossible to restore the USSR

,,, VO, we won't know the truth at what cost we won. The archives will certainly not be opened during our lifetime.

[kalibr]

Quote: bubalik

The archives will certainly not be opened during our lifetime.

Very sorry! How much time I spent in them and did not even touch a hundredth of% ... It's a shame!

[Revolver]

Quote: kalibr

it is really impossible to restore the USSR

USSR as allied state socialist republics, hardly, and why? Socialism means again to break the economy "to the ground, and then" ... when will this "then" come? And people live now, and not in the "bright future". And the union has in itself the potential for disintegration, which was shown by 1991. But it is quite possible to take Ukraine, Belarus, and possibly Kazakhstan, or at least those KZ areas where the majority of Russian speakers are part of the Russian Federation. Transcaucasia - only if they themselves crawl on their belly and lick Putin's shoes or whoever will be there after him for a long time, and no national-administrative autonomies, only provinces. And Central Asia is not needed for nothing, and even with a surcharge. Well, let the sprat limitrophes eat their independence with a full spoon, no matter how they slap themselves.

[Essex62]

Indeed, why break up such a well-established system - a handful of backsliders rule, rob and humiliate everyone else? Who needs this socialism, with its dominant role as a working man, super-socialist and real equality of citizens? Bourgeois predators definitely don't need it And the rest? And no one crawls to us, it sucks with us.

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

What makes you think that the archives are closed? When did you dream? All state archives are open and operational (except that now access has been restricted due to the coronavirus). Several years ago I myself worked in the archives of the Ministry of Defense in Podolsk on the history of the 22nd Bomber Aviation Regiment during the Great Patriotic War. And my publication came out exclusively based on the materials of the archive. Another thing is that everyone in a row is not allowed into the archive, this is still not the wine and vodka department of the grocery store. Each piece of paper there has the status of historical and cultural heritage. There is a certain procedure for obtaining admission to the archive, any historian (not only professional) knows it. It is another matter that all archives contain secret funds, and some departmental archives are closed to outsiders (for example, the archives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB, etc.). By the way, I happened to see closed-end funds, but I must disappoint you - there are no stunning and sensational materials there - routine office work.

[RUSS]

Quote: bubalik

The archives were not opened all, so as a distraction, according to the materials of the NKVD and NKID about that parade, the “secret” stamp has not yet been removed.

A number of experts believe that this is due to the role of the NKVD in the destruction of Soviet citizens during the war. The archives of the NKVD are classified by a decree of Vladimir Putin until 2050.

Another reason is collaboration in the occupied territories, which reached 90%, the level of desertion at the initial stage was prohibitive, not only from the Crimean Tatars; most of all foreign soldiers in the troops subordinate to Germany were given by the USSR - it is not worth recognizing this officially, because our history should only be heroic.

[kalibr]

Quote: RUSS

A number of experts believe that this is due to the role of the NKVD in the destruction of Soviet citizens during the war. The archives of the NKVD are classified by a decree of Vladimir Putin until 2050.

Another reason is collaboration in the occupied territories, which reached 90%, the level of desertion at the initial stage was prohibitive, not only from the Crimean Tatars; most of all foreign soldiers in the troops subordinate to Germany were given by the USSR - it is not worth recognizing this officially, because our history should only be heroic.

Yes, I agree completely. But THIS WAS. And how does this affect your salary, my pension. It was and ... it was NOT. In general, the whole war is a lie! So after all, you can also talk about the flat earth! Well, the memory of history does not affect life today. So what are they afraid of? Moreover, just then it would be necessary to show that the USSR was shit, the NKVD was worse than the Gestapo, etc. Again, this does not "affect" today.

[svp67]

Madam

Quote: Egoza

And no one is standing on the platform of the Mausoleum!

What are you madam, they are afraid to hear from the screens of new films about that time "I Serve the Soviet Union", replacing it, already canceled then: "I Serve the Working People", and you are about the Mausoleums. To stand on the Mausoleum is to clearly show your position on the place of Russia and the USSR in the History of this world. Or maybe it’s right that they don’t get up, after Stalin, there were too many "political dwarfs" there, it is not worth comparing with him, with the Man "who took Russia with a plow, but left with an atomic bomb" and on the threshold of Space, as well as who won SUCH war

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

Or maybe it’s right that they don’t get up, after Stalin, there were too many "political dwarfs" there, it is not worth comparing with him

Here I agree and agree with you. Only strong people who were caring for the country and people could stand in such a holy place.

[tatra]

Even the old and sick Brezhnev, 2 days before his death, stood on the podium of the Mausoleum for the entire Parade on November 7. And these rulers, who were imposed on Russia and the Russian people by the enemies of the Communists, are hosting the Parade, sitting lounging in their chairs.

[carstorm 11]

because someone then hung a vulture on them. all were obviously preparing for it in secrecy.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Especially when everyone knows about it.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

If the bar was hanging, it means that they do not know about everything.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Well ... I would not be so categorical ... There are many secret things that everyone knows about. :)

[svp67]

Quote: Alf

What's declassified here?

Try it here: http://parade1941.mil.ru/

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

Why was it necessary to keep these materials secret for so long ???

It is also not clear. And what was opened raises questions, some of the documents are just a completed form, NOT SIGNED and without a stamp. These are not the first copies

[Doctor]

It is also not clear. And what was opened raises questions, some of the documents are just a completed form, NOT SIGNED and without a stamp. These are not the first copies

Signed in other archives are stored.
Those that until 2050 ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

Why was it necessary to keep these materials secret for so long ???

I don’t understand the secret, many of us watched the film of those times, and it began with the Parade on November 7, 1941 on Red Square, for which they received the very first Oscar! It was awarded for the documentary "The Defeat of the German-Fascist Troops near Moscow".
The film is based on documentary footage of the 1941 military parade. They are familiar to each of us. At least for those who were born and raised in the Soviet Union. From this chronicle, we remember how troops from the paving stones of Red Square went straight to the front. How Stalin at the Mausoleum says a parting speech to the soldiers.
What secrets, under Stalin, he was seen by the whole USSR and the whole world, the Oscars simply did not give. And here we are told "classified".

[Avior]

The fact is that Stalin's speech included in the film is a staged shooting.
Filmed two weeks after the parade. During the parade, Stalin's speech was not filmed.

... The filming was carried out on November 27 in the St. George Hall of the Grand Kremlin Palace [63]. A photo of the reconstructed performance was published in the Pravda newspaper on December 12, 1941 [54] [40]. The filmed material was first included in the documentary “XXIV-th October. JV Stalin's speech ”. The footage of the parade with Stalin's speech was later included in the documentary tape of Leonid Varlamov and Ilya Kopalin "The Defeat of the German Troops near Moscow"

[Deniso]

Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5

Why was it necessary to keep these materials secret for so long ???

Probably, this information has not yet been declassified in the name of the fight against falsification of history ...

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

Most likely, the reason is very commonplace - they simply forgot to remove the seal of secrecy even after the war.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: denis obuckov

Probably, this information has not yet been declassified in the name of the fight against falsification of history ...

Just like November 7 was classified, all the media are screaming about the US elections, who defeated Biidon or Trump, but everyone is silent about the Great October Revolution.

[Doctor]

Why was it necessary to keep these materials secret for so long ???

Perhaps because of the 69 infantry battalions that participated in the Parade, 42 battalions of the NKVD. This is not counting artillery and cavalry.

Nowadays, few people are interested, but in the days of the USSR there could be different associations.

[Doccor18]

Those who want to know the truth will find out, and those who do not need it will find it pointless to prove something.
But the younger generation must be told about how it really was. We need to do it ourselves. As in the media, schools and the Internet, there is more and more distortion or fogging.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

... here the younger generation must be told about how it really was. We need to do it ourselves.

And how are you going to do it yourself? Catch the kid by the sleeve in the yard and start rubbing him about the genius of Comrade Stalin? And how did you know 'how it really was'? Are you a historian? Archivist? Do you have an idea about didactic methods? And your version is the only correct one?

... As in the media, schools and the Internet, there is more and more distortion or fogging.

How are you going to carry your 'truth'? By what means? Hypnotic sessions or lectures in parks?

[sergo1914]

In the article - NOT A WORD about the reason for the parade. Is it really creepy to write about the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution?

[Million]

They are afraid of repetition.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Happy Holidays !!!

[Reserve officer]

Vladimir, and you a happy holiday!
I've just looked through the VO headings, hoping to find some article about this holiday. And nothing.
Well, okay, all sorts of corrupt media are hushed up, Ernst with his first channel - like a mouthful of water. But IN? Honestly, I didn't expect ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and I tried to place, the upgrade did not miss

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Bad moderation. :(

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Reserve officer

And nothing.

for that is, today is an article about the international day of men, and the holiday of hoo and the article is extremely important

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

for that is, today is an article about the international day of men, and the holiday of hoo and the article is extremely important

When I tried to write an article about the day of the fisherman, they told me that it was not of interest to visitors, just as you were told about the Day of November 7, the International Day of Men is more interesting. I really didn't understand why I was going to raise a glass.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: tihonmarine

for which I will raise a glass.

Vlad First toast to the Great October Socialist Revolution! The second toast is for us! Well, and the third toast, to the men who are still there!

[tihonmarine]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Vlad First toast to the Great October Socialist Revolution! The second toast is for us! Well, and the third toast, to the men who are still there!

I know exactly what I'm drinking the third toast for. The third toast we have from the pocon of the centuries "For those who are at sea".

[Uncle lee]

Quote: tihonmarine

"For those who are at sea."

I agree, but this toast is only with us ...
PS And only real men go to the Seas!

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Totally agree with you.

[Gardamir]

Honestly, I didn't expect

This is the difference between totalitarianism and democracy. Under totalitarianism, what is prohibited is prohibited, what is permitted is permitted. And in a democracy, supposedly, rights and freedoms. "You can write about anything, but if you have anything in mind ..."

[tatra]

And on the Internet, something is not observed the next annual rage against the October Revolution of those who are for counter-revolution in the anti-Soviet Perestroika.

[nnm]

Another thing is more important ... and this can be seen from the comments of colleagues - no matter how hard they try to make us forget about our history, they do not succeed!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: nnm

this can be seen from the comments of colleagues -

It can be seen that a good half of these, out of habit, pour out their own inventions into the network, rushing over on the occasion of a weekend and a holiday. Well, these are okay - let's write off the emotions warmed up by alcohol. But there are also those that carry heavy game without any doping - this is already the sphere of activity of punitive psychiatry.

[Clear]

Quote: Stock Officer

Vladimir, and you a happy holiday!
I've just looked through the VO headings, hoping to find some article about this holiday. And nothing.
Well, okay, all sorts of corrupt media are hushed up, Ernst with his first channel - like a mouthful of water. But IN? Honestly, I didn't expect ...

We are here and remember! Congratulations to all those to whom it is remembered and dear!

[petrol cutter]

Duc, and what, in fact, have I read in excess of the secret? ..
What falsifications have taken place? ..

[kalibr]

The military department noted that declassified documents from the funds of the Central Archives of the Ministry of Defense were published as part of a program for the protection and protection of historical truth, countering falsification of history, attempts to revise the results of World War II.
And that it is only now necessary? What prevented this from being done in 1965,75,85, XNUMX, XNUMX? What was there so SECRET that it became possible to find out only now?

[Alf]

Quote: kalibr

The military department noted that declassified documents from the funds of the Central Archives of the Ministry of Defense were published as part of a program for the protection and protection of historical truth, countering falsification of history, attempts to revise the results of World War II.
And that it is only now necessary? What prevented this from being done in 1965,75,85, XNUMX, XNUMX? What was there so SECRET that it became possible to find out only now?

And the fact that in the 65th and in the 75th the history of the USSR was not so muddled as after the 85th and especially in the 2000s. We did not revise the History of the Second World War until the 85th.

[kalibr]

Quote: Alf

And the fact that in the 65th and in the 75th the history of the USSR was not so muddled as after the 85th and especially in the 2000s. We did not revise the History of the Second World War until the 85th.

Wonderful! But then why not take and open all the archives? But it was decided that they would be open only in 2045? Why wait for something? What will be less muddling, or even more? Don't you think that the best way to combat watering would be a complete presentation of information to all concerned? Any concealment can always be used for selfish purposes. I've never come across that the truth is possible ...

[Alf]

Quote: kalibr

Don't you think that the best way to combat watering would be a complete presentation of information to all concerned?

And the authorities need it? The less people know, the easier it is to spit in the USSR and shoot "masterpieces" such as Burnt by the Sun, Penalty Battles, Bastards, Citadel. So the younger generation knows that the special officers were only looking for someone to shoot, the generals are stupid, the bloody Stalin, to attack with sticks.
But when I ask when the Red Army troops crossed the USSR border for the first time, only one named June 24, 1941.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: kalibr

Wonderful! But then why not take and open all the archives?

You, yes, all the Soviet archives? Oh!
YOU haven’t wondered why the West doesn’t open their archives? And they even prolong secrecy, in particular in the UK.

[kalibr]

Quote: There was a mammoth

YOU haven’t asked the question - why the West doesn’t open their archives?

I know exactly how matters stand with the archives there. In Italy, when the KPI collapsed after the 91st, the WHOLE archive of the KPI was opened for access at once. Free access. And nobody died! Anyone in England can work with the Imperial War Archive. There must be something there, yes, there is a secret. I don’t know and I’m surprised how you know. But again, I'm talking about Italy. Why not open the archives of the CPSU Central Committee for the general public?

[Was mammoth]

Quote: kalibr

Just how things are with the archives there, I know better than you

The topic of secrecy in professional historical circles, I think, was well "sucked." You really know better.
Even an amateur can judge the "openness" of their archives in the Hess case in Great Britain. They promised to declassify and again extended the ban right up to 2039. How many times?

[kalibr]

Quote: There was a mammoth

Even an amateur can judge about the "openness" of their archives in the Hess case in Great Britain.

Yes, this is a very good example! Incidentally, I also don't understand what's secret. The Germans were beaten. Gass is a criminal. Whatever he says DOES NOT HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE.

[Was mammoth]

.

Quote: kalibr

Incidentally, I also don't understand what's secret.

Read the summer article not by a historian, but by a very knowledgeable person - Vladimir Putin. Is this familiar?
"In his article on World War II, The Russian president, in particular, called on all countries to open access to previously unknown documents about this conflict and the pre-war period. This is the first time the head of our state has raised this question publicly in this form ...
... the head of the scientific department of the Russian Military Historical Society (RVIO) Yuri Nikiforov said that “Great Britain and the United States are very selective in declassifying documents about World War II and its prehistory. Thus, Great Britain has not yet solved the case of Rudolf Hess about Germany's secret attempt to negotiate peace with London in 1941. The United States does not publish documents on various behind-the-scenes negotiations, including with Hitler in 1945. " In other words, he made it clear that stubbornly, hiding such documents for 75 years, the West does not want the true history of World War II to become known."
https://news-front.info/2020/06/23/tajna-missii-rudolfa-gessa-putin-ne-zrya-prizval-zapad-rassekretit-dokumenty-vtoroj-mirovoj-vojny/

[kalibr]

Well, that Putin is great, he plays correctly on the information field. Our opponents are wrong, they make our own mistakes. Sooner or later it will pour out to them. There is no other way!

[Liam]

You, too, were swept into the geopolitical jungle.

Quote: kalibr

plays correctly on the information field

On what? Unless in the internal Russian. No one in the West is interested in the secrets of the 41-year parade or the number of losses or planning errors, etc. and so on. This is only of interest to the Russian people and Russian historians. Therefore, classifying the events of 80 years ago is hiding the truth only from its own people

[kalibr]

By demanding something from the West and putting it in an uncomfortable position, we will always be at least in some kind of gain ...

[Liam]

I'm sorry but this is nonsense

[kalibr]

The rule of information warfare is this: the field on which there is your positive information will not become the field for the enemy's positive information.
"Sorry, but this is nonsense.": it is hardly worth being so categorical.

[Doctor]

Don't you think that the best way to combat watering would be a complete presentation of information to all concerned? Any concealment can always be used for selfish purposes. I've never come across that the truth is possible ...

Do you think so?
Take another look at these declassified documents.
For example Plan of the central part of Moscow.
Examine the name, number, subordination and initial location of the parts.
Think ...

[Van 16]

"What prevented this from being done in 1965,75,85, XNUMX, XNUMX? What was there so SECRET that it became possible to find out only now?"

I will support. I have the same question. Don't keep such things secret. On the contrary, you need to show as much as possible.

[apro]

The parade in honor of the parade ... soon there will be a big state secret why military parades were held on November 7 and not 4 ...
Today, the topic of the Great October Socialist Revolution is carefully avoided. Why would it suddenly ???

[A. Privalov]

What's the secret? About whom and most importantly WHAT have they been hiding for almost 80 years?

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

The Ministry of Defense declassified documents about the military parade on November 7, 1941.

... According to archival documents, the military parade on November 7, 1941 took place not only in Moscow, but also in Kuibyshev (Samara) and Voronezh. Moreover, in Kuibyshev, unlike Moscow, there was an air unit ...


Perhaps few witnesses and parade participants from other cities remained, and then for the same reason they also forgot to remove the neck secret.

[A. Privalov]

I think that during the war the preparation of the parade and its holding were kept secret, so that, God forbid, at that moment the Germans, having learned about this mass event, would not start a raid. It's clear. What was kept secret for another 79 years?

[zenion]

Secretaries and will keep secret, so that they would not accidentally find out that this was the date of the beginning of the creation of the state that kicked Europe and the creators of Hitler's ass. In 2000, when the United States was supposed to open archives about World War II, the date was postponed by another 50 years. You never know what?

[Constanty]

There is a strange background behind Stalin's back. It moves like a painted canvas.
Was Lenin's mausoleum obscured then, or was Stalin speaking somewhere else?

The parade itself is famous - to see the faces of these young people just a few hours before the deadly battle is unique.
Does anyone know how many participants in this parade survived to Victory Day?

[A. Privalov]

Apparently, the speech was filmed separately, in the scenery and later incorporated into the chronicle. In those days, there was still no such optics for ordinary film cameras to photograph Stalin alone on the podium of the mausoleum. There is nowhere to even put a camera, and in the film you can see that the entire leadership is on the podium. That day there was a real snowstorm and there was no time for such long speeches.

[Liam]

Quote: A. Privalov

Apparently the speech was filmed separately.

On November 17, a decision was received to shoot Stalin in the Kremlin. They instructed Varlamov and me. On the 20th we were given the text of the speech with Stalin's personal notes of those places that must be included in the picture. The shooting will take place in one of the halls of the Kremlin, where a layout of the scenery will be prepared: the Mausoleum against the background of the Kremlin wall. In nervous anticipation, Varlamov and I are on duty for days.
From the book of Mark Troyanovsky "... On a par with the century" 2004 "


It was possible to shoot on November 27 in the St. George Hall of the Grand Kremlin Palace. A photo of the reconstructed performance was published in the Pravda newspaper on December 12, 1941.
The filmed material was first included in the documentary "XXIV-th October. JV Stalin's speech ”. The footage of the parade with Stalin's speech was later included in the documentary film of Leonid Varlamov and Ilya Kopalin "The Defeat of the German Troops near Moscow", which won an Oscar in 1943 for Best Documentary.

[A. Privalov]

My assumptions turned out to be correct. Thanks.

[Doctor]

My assumptions turned out to be correct. Thanks. hi

There is a version that the sound could not be recorded in the original due to the weather.
I had to repeat it on the LSI.

[A. Privalov]

In those days, there were no cinematographic cameras for synchronous sound recording. The video sequence was filmed separately, and the scale - separately. All this was synchronized on special equipment in studio conditions. Nobody could have made a high-quality sound recording on the platform of the mausoleum. The weather in this case is a background hindrance.

[Doctor]

In those days, there were no cinematographic cameras for synchronous sound recording. The video sequence was filmed separately, and the scale - separately. All this was synchronized on special equipment in studio conditions. Nobody could have made a high-quality sound recording on the platform of the mausoleum. The weather in this case is a background hindrance.

Look at document # 36 - list of car passes.
The car of the camera crew with their junk was simply not allowed into the square. I had to drag it in my hands. Did not have time...

This is in the memoirs of cameramen of those years, Mark Troyanovsky, Theodor Bunimovich, and others.

[A. Privalov]

These are cameramen. They did not know how to make sound recording on the street yet. In 41, portable recording devices of adequate quality were not yet available.

[Liam]

Quote: A. Privalov

Nobody could have made a high-quality sound recording on the tribune of the mausoleum.

This does not explain the fact why there is at least the original video, but it was necessary to make a staged in the Kremlin with the scenery.

[Alf]

Quote: Liam

Quote: A. Privalov

Nobody could have made a high-quality sound recording on the tribune of the mausoleum.

This does not explain the fact why there is at least the original video, but it was necessary to make a staged in the Kremlin with the scenery.

Because the start time of the parade was postponed by 30 minutes for secrecy. The Luftwaffe didn't take long to fly to Moscow at that moment.

[Liam]

Quote: Alf

Because the start time of the parade was postponed by 30 minutes for secrecy. The Luftwaffe didn't take long to fly to Moscow at that moment

The parade was primarily propagandistic in nature, which everyone agrees with. It was supposed to be shown to the country and the world. And everyone was taken at the right time, except for the cameramen, who were supposed to film everything? It couldn't just be

[Alf]

Quote: Liam

It couldn't just be

I expressed the version that I heard and I agree with it. You doubt it is your right.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Liam

Quote: A. Privalov

Nobody could have made a high-quality sound recording on the tribune of the mausoleum.

This does not explain the fact why there is at least the original video, but it was necessary to make a staged in the Kremlin with the scenery.

Not "video", but "cinematic". There was nowhere to shoot. Cinema cameras 35 mm were bulky, teleoptics were not yet available. They could not be dragged directly to the podium. There would also have to be a cameraman, additional light would be needed, since the film was of low sensitivity, etc. etc.

[Liam]

Quote: A. Privalov

There was nowhere to shoot

The parade was filmed and the tribune too. So it was from where.


Only Stalin's speech was not filmed, most likely because there was nothing to film. By the way, he never made any speeches at parades

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Liam

The parade was filmed and the tribune too. So it was from where.

Filmed, but in a general shot and from a relatively long distance. It was simply not possible to shoot Stalin in close-up on the platform of the mausoleum. It would be necessary to bring a platform with several cameras closer to it, because the cassettes with film ran out very quickly and while one camera was shooting, it would be necessary to reload the second, but in the cold in a blizzard, but under pain of punishment. One person cannot cope there, he would have to put an assistant, but the obligatory presence of guards from the NKVD in such proximity to the Leader is inevitable. There was nowhere to place such a crowd.

[Liam]

Quote: A. Privalov

It was simply not possible to shoot Stalin in close-up on the platform of the mausoleum.

1937 year


1939 year



1945 year

https://youtu.be/qrKgARhZPR4

As you can see, it was possible to shoot at the Mausoleum with any plans. There was no speech at the parade, so we had to put the scenery in the Kremlin later.

Quote: A. Privalov

yes in the frost in a blizzard

)))
I specially posted this film about the 1941 parade. After Stalin's staged speech, from about 6 minutes 45 seconds, there are footage of the passage of troops, the tribune of the Mausoleum with the authorities, etc. Do you see a storm there?)

[Alex Justice]

At 12:20, the tank races begin :) Was it interesting Debriefing?

[kalibr]

By the way, please note that the tanks not only lack the notorious stars, but also white numbers.

[Alf]

Quote: Arzt

My assumptions turned out to be correct. Thanks. hi

There is a version that the sound could not be recorded in the original due to the weather.
I had to repeat it on the LSI.

Moreover, I heard that when the walkers came to the IVS to make a speech again because of the refusal of the cell, they were openly afraid, but the Leader agreed without question.

[Liam]

Quote: Alf

Moreover, I heard that when the walkers came to the IVS on the topic to make a speech again because of the refusal of the cell, they were openly afraid, but the Leader agreed without question

You contradict yourself. You write to me that there were no operators at all due to the postponement of the parade. And here you say that the camera (as if there was only one camera) refused.

[Alf]

Quote: Liam

Quote: Alf

Moreover, I heard that when the walkers came to the IVS on the topic to make a speech again because of the refusal of the cell, they were openly afraid, but the Leader agreed without question

You contradict yourself. You write to me that there were no operators at all due to the postponement of the parade. And here you say that the camera (as if there was only one camera) refused.

Not a camera, but recording equipment. And notice, the movie doesn't start over.

[Liam]

Quote: Alf

Not a camera, but a recording equipment

The further into the forest ..)

[Alf]

Quote: Liam

Quote: Alf

Not a camera, but a recording equipment

The further into the forest ..)

Nothing more to argue? Have you seen this movie yourself?

[Liam]

Quote: Alf

Nothing more to argue?

Why. For each objection, you have a new version that refutes its own. The same previous one.

Quote: Alf

Have you seen this movie yourself?

Of course I saw. That was something and filmed. From the very beginning. There was no parade in the classical sense, with the commanders prancing on horses, with the Counter March, with boxes of participants and three cheers and welcoming speeches and reports.
And that was what was removed - the authorities in the stands of the Mausoleum and the passage of this mixed hodgepodge from different parts (mainly the NKVD). To these cuts, Stalin's staged speech was attached a couple of weeks later and the film was made.

[Constanty]

Thanks for the explanation!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: A. Privalov

Apparently the speech was filmed separately.

in fact, this is a historical fact, the film crew due to secrecy was late for the beginning and Stalin's speech was filmed in the pavilion

[Liam]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

the film crew was late due to secrecy

Do you believe that yourself?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

in the fact that the crew was not named real time?
Yes

[Avior]

The fact that Stalin's speech was filmed in the Kremlin at the end of November is not a fact.
This is more than a fact - the way it really was :))) ...

[Liam]

I don't seem to deny it anywhere)
My doubts concern stories about the late arrival of all those dozens of operators who worked at such events

[Doctor]

Does anyone know how many participants in this parade survived to Victory Day?

Many. There are only 65 rifle divisions out of combat units.
And that is surprisingly missed. The division commander Koshevoy is not entirely his own, the Civil War was held at Primakov's in the Chervonnoye Cossacks.

It was only Simonov's person with a biography of Serpilin who could have ended up on Red Square at that moment.
Not to mention Sintsov and Zolotarev.

[Avior]

Stalin's speech in your plot is staged filming, filmed at the end of November in a room in the Kremlin.
During the parade, Stalin's speech was not filmed.
Perhaps it was hidden, you never know what the officials came up with.

[Object.F7]

Once upon a time, people did not even have thoughts that the truth, as it is, would have to be defended. And today, according to the zomboyaschik from the oligarchs, a solid zuleikha is peeing in your eyes, I have already lost count of all this modern Russian cinema (through a hyphen to an anti-Soviet vyserophotographer), across Russia1, nonstop "bloody gebnya", and bald Kiselev will tell about reconciliation with the Vlasovites

[Alien From]

I wanted to raise the topic of the parade in the morning), well, all the veterans and home front workers with this bright and at the same time mournful date, goodness and health!)

[BAI]

The military department noted that declassified documents from the funds of the Central Archives of the Ministry of Defense were published as part of a program for the protection and protection of historical truth, countering falsifications of history, attempts to revise the results of World War II

And the de.bi.ly from the military department could not explain what is secret here and why this information in order to counter the falsification of history could not be published 10 years ago?
The USSR is not 30 years old. In 1941 this information may be. and was secret. Classified. According to the instructions, roughly speaking, for 80 years. The deadline has expired and has been declassified, and now they are now being presented as their great merit and they are also giving up the ideological base. M. b. some will even receive military orders for the fight against falsification of history. WHAT HINDERED THIS BEFORE DOING? If you need to fight the falsification of history? The 1937 instruction?

[Alf]

Quote: BAI

And the de.bi.ly from the military department could not explain what is secret here and why this information in order to counter the falsification of history could not be published 10 years ago?

Because by that time a program of spitting on the history of the USSR was raging in Russia. And then open the archives?

[ZEMCH]

The people defended their homeland !!! Russians, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Udmurts, Bashkirs, Tatars are all who lived on this land! We went to survive or die, but the main thing is to expel the enemy from our land! Honor and Glory to the Winner People!
These parades raised the military spirit, after the defeat near Moscow, the Nazi invaders no longer thought about the blitzkrieg, and Stalingrad and the Kursk Bulge showed all the might of the spirit of the Soviet people!

[Object.F7]

By the way, in the photo from the parade, there are faces of Asian appearance. Are these the same heroic Kazakhs from the Panfilov division? I already wanted to watch the film ... Without the oligarchs and Mikhalkov, with the people's money and with the participation of the Chinese, you can suddenly make good films

[bubalik]

in Kuibyshev (Samara)

,,, the parade was opened by the combined battalion of the commanding staff of the central administration of the People's Commissariat of Defense. The core of the parade was the 65th (9725 people), more equipped with military equipment and artillery, and the 239th (5986 people) rifle divisions. Part of the personnel drove 206 vehicles. Also, the parade was attended by the command staff and cadets of the Kuibyshev Military Medical Academy (900 people), the 40th searchlight regiment of 36 searchlights (219 people),

combined battalion of sailors (602 people from the Red Banner Amur Flotilla

and formed in the region of the 84th and 85th naval rifle brigades), the NKVD troops (3672 people), the combined NKO orchestra (359 people). Some of the soldiers rode on horses - 188 on horseback, 356 on artillery carts and 248 on carts.

[bubalik]

, 84 carts and 119 tractors, tracked artillery tractors T-20 "Komsomolets" with 45-mm anti-tank guns, as well as other anti-tank, medium and long-range guns, 208 guns in total, passed through the area.

[bubalik]

,,, after the military, the workers marched through the square for an hour. According to some reports, there were 178 of them.

[Doctor]

,, after the military, the workers marched through the square for an hour. According to some reports, there were 178 of them.

According to declassified documents, 20 battalions of armed workers.

[bubalik]

,, then and then it comes out, approximately.

[Doctor]

,, then and then it comes out, approximately.

If a battalion admits 500 people, then 500 x 20 - 10 will come out.
Not 178.

[bubalik]

,, therefore, will not be declassified.

[Doctor]

,, therefore, will not be declassified.

Already. Document 10. "Armed workers" - 5520. That is, battalions of 250 people.

[Olkhovsky]

I am 39, I hope I will live when this holiday will again be celebrated officially and solemnly.

[APASUS]

I wonder what could be hidden in the documents of 1941? Why did they keep secret for so long, because even if there were someone's surnames or certain information, they could not be voiced.

[Doctor]

I wonder what could be hidden in the documents of 1941? Why did they keep secrets for so long, because even if there were someone's surnames or certain information, they could not have been voiced

And you read these names in declassified documents on the MO website. Linear list - documents 42,43,44.
And at the same time, see what part they are from.

OMSBON.
The immediate boss is Pavel Anatolyevich, the direct boss is Lavrenty Pavlovich.
Like 80% of those who passed that day in the square.

Here is the reason for such a long secrecy.

[Aleks2000]

And why did they secret them for 80 years?
somebody knows?

[Turanov]

Quote: Alex2000

And why did they secret them for 80 years?
somebody knows?

For people like you))))) They will just start to turn something upside down in history, and once we have archived facts for them (a little each) .. They calmed down again, only they would open their mouths with whining, etc. We are again throwing an interesting fact for them from the archive .. That's what everything is stored for!
You can't spread everything at once, everyone will be vulgarized at once .. But gradually, very effectively, it is not for nothing that some "dissidents human rights activists" are so afraid of disclosing the archives of the KGB, etc.
P / S / One very famous and ardent anti-Soviet dissident, in the 90s was shown the case of her father "repressed" in 37th (EBN allowed) .. She came so loud and contemptuous, and left after reading quietly and with downcast eyes in shame .. ..Who won't tell you!

[AnderS]

Declassified documents from the funds of the Central Archives of the Ministry of Defense were published as part of a program for the protection and protection of historical truth, countering falsifications of history, attempts to revise the results of World War II.

What valiant "fighters" against the falsification of history ... It turns out that the parade on November 7, 1941 was held for its own sake !!! And not in honor of the next anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution ... Such "fighters" should, first of all, fight themselves ...

[Radical]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

I don't remember the Georgians among the generals of the Wehrmacht. Guderiani?

No, completely different, like - Abzatian Epitafiashvili .... Something like that.

[Lord of the Sith]

All the holiday!

[Incvizitor]

Now to hang banners of Lenin and Stalin on the wall at the parade, that would be a blessing.

[apro]

Quote: Incvizitor

Now to hang banners of Lenin and Stalin on the wall at the parade, that would be a blessing.

To whom and why? Countries are completely different and hostile ... then and now. This is the history of the USSR. Russia is writing its own history today.

[fa2998]

And what was there to secret for almost 80 years! And then, they accuse others of "falsification" of history. If such data were already secret, that they have other documents waiting for 100 years in the archives. History is closed, people are thinking out.

[The eye of the crying]

Not even 80 years have passed.