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The Ministry of Defense declassified documents about the military parade on November 7, 1941

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The Ministry of Defense declassified documents about the military parade on November 7, 1941

On November 7, Russia celebrates the day of military glory, remember the events of November 1941. Exactly 79 years ago, a legendary parade took place on Red Square, proving to the whole world that the fighting spirit of Soviet soldiers was not broken.


The Ministry of Defense published materials on the preparation and conduct of the historic parade on Red Square on November 7, 1941. Archival materials can be found on the website of the military department in the section "November 7, 1941. Moscow. Red Square".

The November parade in the capital became a landmark event, a turning point in the battle for Moscow. He showed that despite the colossal difficulties, the stubborn bloody battles near the walls of Moscow, the capital will not be surrendered to the enemy. It was after this parade, held at the most formidable hour of the war, that thousands of young people from all over the country sought to volunteer.

- declared in the Ministry of Defense.

According to archival documents, the military parade on November 7, 1941 took place not only in Moscow, but also in Kuibyshev (Samara) and Voronezh. Moreover, in Kuibyshev, unlike Moscow, there was an air unit.

The military department noted that declassified documents from the funds of the Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense were published as part of the program for the protection and protection historical truth, counteraction to falsifications of history, attempts to revise the results of the Second World War.
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  1. Alf
    Alf 7 November 2020 16: 38
    42
    What's declassified here? Everyone knew this anyway. Although ... the NEXT generation knows little about the 41st parade.
    By the way, the link for November 7 does not open.
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 17: 33
      +7
      I wanted to give you a plus, but it turns out I already did it ... Some kind of disorder ... only by the end of the day there is a topic about November 7th ... I have already noted, in principle, but do not mind repeating! :)
      1. Alf
        Alf 7 November 2020 17: 35
        +3
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        I wanted to give you a plus, but it turns out I already did it ... Some kind of disorder ... only by the end of the day there is a topic about November 7th ... I have already noted, in principle, but do not mind repeating! :)

        Thank you! +.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 November 2020 17: 52
        11
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        Some kind of disorder ... only at the end of the day there is a topic about November 7th ... I have already noted, in principle, but do not mind repeating!

        I was also surprised, everything went silent, I really congratulated the people, but still got it unpleasant. Worse than Victory Day.
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 18: 06
          +3
          Spit on everyone - do as you see fit.
        2. Pereira
          Pereira 7 November 2020 21: 33
          +7
          Congratulations.
          We celebrate in a quiet way. While.
          1. Machito
            Machito 7 November 2020 23: 40
            +1
            Quote: Pereira
            Congratulations.
            We celebrate in a quiet way. While.

            Why quiet? Because there is no snow? But the northern people stayed, and if we need snow, we'll conjure it up.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 7 November 2020 23: 50
            +4
            Quote: Pereira
            We celebrate in a quiet way. While.

            We sat at work and noticed everything, as always, in good times. With gatherings, with cold vodka, and a simple snack from our garden, we remembered the good, forgot the bad. We smoked and parted.
        3. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 9 November 2020 12: 13
          0
          SEMI-truth is NOT true. "The parade in honor of the legendary 1941 parade did not take place ..." And in honor of WHAT was the legendary parade? WHO took it? Silence. Smells bad. As well as the Mausoleum closed by the decorations and the HIDDEN and FARED TRUTH about the past ...
      3. Civil
        Civil 7 November 2020 21: 19
        17
        The parade was to commemorate the 24th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, and today's gentlemen, what do they have to do with it? Why are you excited? The Red Army paraded and piled on the fascists. What does a capitalist country in decline have to do with Soviet power?
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 7 November 2020 21: 34
          +3
          Direct. Those who rule us now, then, were defeated. And in 1917 and 1945.
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 7 November 2020 23: 18
            +2
            Quote: Pereira
            Those who rule us now, then, were defeated.

            belay Oh, how ... They are already writing here from the 3rd Reich. wassat
            1. VORON538
              VORON538 8 November 2020 02: 08
              +1
              No, our rulers were now in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and it was not the party that won the war, but the multinational Soviet, now the Russian people. And even if the adherents of revolutions are driven into their skulls, this is a fact!
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 8 November 2020 02: 41
                +2
                The division of the people and the party is Goebbels' main trick.
                1. VORON538
                  VORON538 8 November 2020 02: 51
                  0
                  The party itself separated itself from the people. What then, what now. Compare the salary depot of the State Duma with the average in Russia. And most of these depots were members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Moreover, these same depots pass laws by which the people have to live.
                  1. Pereira
                    Pereira 8 November 2020 20: 32
                    +1
                    By the party I do not mean in any way either the Khrushchev Trotskyists or the Zyuganov opportunists.
              2. mat-vey
                mat-vey 8 November 2020 08: 54
                0
                Quote: VORON538
                No, those who ruled us now used to be in the Communist Party

                How many nobles there were in the CPSU (b), and how many nobles there were in the red army ...
              3. Shuttle
                Shuttle 8 November 2020 10: 01
                +6
                Quote: VORON538
                No, our rulers were now in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and it was not the party that won the war, but the multinational Soviet, now the Russian people. And even if the adherents of revolutions are driven into their skulls, this is a fact!

                Please clarify. The people won on their own, alone, thanks to their natural ingenuity and innate ability to spontaneously self-organize defense and concentrate efforts in the offensive? Or did the monogonational Soviet people still have some kind of leading political body?
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 8 November 2020 14: 19
                  +6
                  Exactly. Under the leadership of the Bolshevik Party, the multinational Soviet people defeated Nazism. And people fought for socialism, against the capitalist aggression of the West. And the degenerates who restored the wildest capitalism of the early 20th century in the USSR were only members of the CPSU, but were not communists.
                  Who was the first to attack, remember? Who stood to death and supported the fallen in spirit soldiers by word and personal example. My grandfather always remembers the pilot-political worker, a Jew by nationality, who closed his yak from the messer's line with his plane. The hero did not even receive medals.
            2. Pereira
              Pereira 8 November 2020 02: 41
              0
              Don't know any other bad words? You're funny, Alexander.
        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 8 November 2020 06: 35
          +9
          Quote: Civil
          and today's gentlemen have to do with him?

          Something like this
    2. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 7 November 2020 18: 02
      +5
      By the way, the link for November 7 does not open.

      Correcting the cant on the link)))
      http://parade1941.mil.ru
    3. nnm
      nnm 7 November 2020 18: 38
      +9
      It’s not about the fact of the parade, but about the documents for its preparation. For example, that the parade itself was called in the organizational documents "the operation of the troops of the Moscow garrison" and so on. That is, we are talking about interesting facts of preparation. And the fact that for some reason many people write that the parade itself was classified - well, with all my desire, I do not remember this in any period of our history.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 7 November 2020 20: 58
        12
        You are telling the archival and true information. But, understand people, today is November 7th - the red day of the clendar. Our deep people remember this and know everything about the Red Army. But now the generation is coming --- complete 0 in the assessment of the Russian revolution. It seems that the current regime is panicky afraid of a repetition of the situation when the alligarchs were thrown off and a nation of workers and peasants flew into space. Armenians and Azerbaijanis beat the Germans near Berlin. It was the USSR, so think ...
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 7 November 2020 21: 48
          +2
          The Armenians and Azerbaijanis stabbed the Germans near Berlin.

          Cool. You also say - under the leadership of a Georgian.

          And where were the Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians (and everyone else) at that time?
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 7 November 2020 22: 17
            10
            Quote: Arzt
            And where were the Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians (and everyone else) at that time?

            All were together, all 15 republics, and it is not known how many nationalities. Look, in Dagestan alone there are more than 50 nationalities.
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 7 November 2020 22: 19
              +3
              All were together, all 15 republics, and it is not known how many nationalities. Look, in Dagestan alone there are more than 50 nationalities.

              Yes sir. That's why we won.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 7 November 2020 22: 24
                +4
                Quote: Arzt
                Yes sir. That's why we won.

                The main thing is not to forget about it. We, a multinational country, will forget about it and Russia will be taken away to its holes. How the USSR was taken away. I have nothing to share with either an Armenian locksmith, or a Lithuanian milling machine operator, or an Uzbek farmer.
            2. mat-vey
              mat-vey 8 November 2020 09: 00
              -2
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              All were together, all 15 republics, and it is not known how many nationalities.

              Ay-ay ... 16 republics ...
            3. mat-vey
              mat-vey 9 November 2020 17: 25
              -1
              I don't know who put a minus, on the one hand these are his problems, but on the other hand he has problems - a critical gap in the knowledge of the history of his country. Maybe instead of surfing the Internet, just take up the hardware, at least the basics?
          2. Tochilka
            Tochilka 7 November 2020 22: 45
            -2
            Obviously, the first on Leningradskoye, the second on 1, 2, 3, 4 Ukrainian, the third on 1, 2, 3 Belarusian. There was news on VO about something similar. Stupidity, of course.
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 7 November 2020 22: 54
              +1
              Obviously, the first on Leningradskoye, the second on 1, 2, 3, 4 Ukrainian, the third on 1, 2, 3 Belarusian. There was news on VO about something similar. Stupidity, of course.

              Well, this is if you count the "yak in Ukraine" - as the front is called, such people are fighting in it.
              Then, of course, Berlin was taken by the 1st Belorussian and 1st Ukrainian fronts. laughing

              But even in this case, I don’t remember who commanded the 1st Armenian or 1st Azerbaijan front, which pounded the Germans near Berlin. wink
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 8 November 2020 09: 02
                0
                Quote: Arzt
                But even in this case, I don’t remember who commanded the 1st Armenian or 1st Azerbaijan front, which pounded the Germans near Berlin

                Maybe because they stopped calling them in 1943, leaving only a volunteer recruitment?
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 8 November 2020 10: 53
                  0
                  Maybe because they stopped calling them in 1943, leaving only a volunteer recruitment?

                  Didn't know that, thanks for the info.
                  Well, that's right, you need to take care of valuable personnel.)))
                  The decision is quite in the spirit of Comrade Dzhugashvili. wink
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 8 November 2020 10: 57
                    -1
                    Quote: Arzt
                    The decision is quite in the spirit of Comrade Dzhugashvili.

                    And you wonder why such a decision was made on the T-bills ..
                    1. Doctor
                      Doctor 8 November 2020 11: 05
                      +3
                      And you wonder why such a decision was made on the T-bills ..

                      I asked. Like unreliable.
                      Well, what a comfortable position.
                      We are unreliable, we will stay at home, and you are reliable Vanya, shove into the trenches.
                      Now, by the way, not everyone is called on either. wink

                      PS. Along the way, I found statistics, I don't know how true.
                      6% of Central Asians served in the Red Army.
                      This is to the question of who defeated the German.
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 8 November 2020 11: 07
                        +1
                        They are not only not reliable, they are also very "trainable" ... And they consume resources like normal fighters ...
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 November 2020 22: 21
        -7
        Quote: nnm
        And the fact that for some reason many people write that the parade itself was classified - well, with all my desire, I do not remember this in any period of our history.

        perfectly fair comment.
        But usually, under such articles, begins a sabbath of hypocrites and offended Stalinists concerned with educating the younger generation. Those who imagine themselves to be historians from God and, concurrently, bearers of sacred truth. It touches the passionate desire to implant its historical and worldview matrix into the nexus, which, of course, is the "next generation", "stupid, uneducated", "does not like the homeland", etc.
    4. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 7 November 2020 18: 55
      -1
      I would like to see the German archives, I hope that something similar happened there that day!
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 November 2020 20: 47
        11
        I don't remember the Georgians among the generals of the Wehrmacht. Guderiani?
        1. Alexander Kopychev
          Alexander Kopychev 7 November 2020 20: 51
          0
          I do not know what the demoniac gnawed, but certainly gr-r-r-r-rrrryyyzzzzz !!!! am
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 November 2020 22: 25
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Kopychev
            I don't know what the demoniac gnawed

            nothing. Perhaps nails, if you believe the reports of British spies laughing
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 7 November 2020 22: 37
              0
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Quote: Alexander Kopychev
              I don't know what the demoniac gnawed

              nothing. Perhaps nails, if you believe the reports of British spies laughing

              Even on my feet, who cares? The main thing is that he cracked the ampoule with cyanide, which is a pity. A hemp tie would suit him very much.
    5. Terenin
      Terenin 7 November 2020 19: 22
      +7
      Quote: Alf
      By the way, the link for November 7 does not open.

      It looks like it's classified again winked
    6. deniso
      deniso 7 November 2020 19: 45
      10
      Not a word about the anniversary of the October Revolution. How the current government jars from these words! How have not yet written that the parade was held in honor of the day of national unity.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 8 November 2020 02: 34
        +8
        Quote: denis obuckov
        from these words jarring!
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    8. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 7 November 2020 22: 30
      +6
      Quote: Alf
      Although ... the NEXT generation knows little about the 41st parade.

      And how can she know if we have a parade in honor of the parade. And it is not at all clear why it was held on November 7, if the day of "unity" is now November 4 lol And yes, the opposition to falsification of history is on the face. lol
  2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 7 November 2020 16: 42
    13
    Why was it necessary to keep these materials secret for so long ???
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 November 2020 16: 52
      +9
      Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Why was it necessary to keep these materials secret for so long ???

      And so as not to think about why it was possible to hold SUCH PARADE in 41m, but in 2021? Unknown. And no one is standing on the platform of the Mausoleum!
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 7 November 2020 17: 01
        +1
        Dear Elena! But it was secret data in 1965, and in 75, and 85 ... Well, okay ... 85th. But why not before? There was Soviet power, the parade was a patriotic thing, why not then? How many books about the war were published then, the pioneer detachments were called by the names of pioneer heroes ... Where is the truth in the documents? So what about 2021 you have unconvincing ...
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 7 November 2020 17: 11
          11
          Quote: kalibr
          But it was secret data in 1965, and in 75, and 85 ... Well, okay ... 85th. But why was it not possible earlier?

          Because then Khrushchev's line continued - to discredit and forget Comrade I.V. Stalin! And the parade of the 41st is the Stalin's parade. And he stood on the podium, and there is a chronicle about this, despite all rumors that "he left Moscow." And those who were "at the top" in 1965, in the 75th and 85th .... Would THEY have stayed in Moscow? So they were silent, because they admitted to themselves that they, well, did not even reach the rank of leader. But I wanted so badly .... Here and "secret" so that people do not make unnecessary comparisons. And the Soviet government was no longer quite the same.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 7 November 2020 17: 21
            +2
            Quote: Egoza
            Would THEY stay in Moscow?

            But they stayed, didn't they? And why did not we have Soviet power already in 1965? Until just under Stalin, VICTORY DAY WAS NOT CELEBRATED! Victory Day between 1947 and 1965 was an ordinary day when the entire population worked without a single hint of a holiday. Under Stalin, and after him Khrushchev, this day was considered a working day, and all people had to go to work in the morning and return from it late in the evening. It was already Brezhnev who made it festive.
            "So they kept secret so that the people did not make unnecessary comparisons." So who kept it secret more than others? It turns out Stalin himself ...
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 November 2020 22: 02
              0
              And I, you know, Vyacheslav Olegovich, most of all like the version circulated by our hyperpatriots about Hitler's "rage", who, they say, learned about the parade on the radio and ordered, allegedly, to "bomb the parade" immediately. All this, of course, is done with thoughtful remarks "according to the recollections of eyewitnesses," while the "documentary drama" of NI Potapov is quoted word for word, which is very mediocre, it should be noted.
              PICTURE XX
              Hitler's apartment. Early morning. Hitler comes out of the bedroom in pajamas, turns on the radio. Russian speech is heard. They broadcast a report about the parade on Red Square in Moscow. Hitler first listens, then screams hysterically.

              Hitler. I do not believe! I do not believe! It can't be! I do not believe!

              Eve comes out of the bedroom.

              Eve. Adolf, what happened?

              Hitler. I do not believe! It can't be!

              Eve. What's up, Adolf? Why are you so excited?

              Hitler. Listen to what Russian radio is broadcasting!

              Eve (listening). So what? Some kind of reportage is being broadcast.

              Hitler. This is a reportage about the parade of Soviet troops on Red Square in Moscow.

              Eve. Yes? Interesting.

              Hitler. This is a failure! This is a failure! This is a shame for our army! This is a shame for the German nation! (Sobs.)

              Well, and so on. So, this pulp for those suffering from dementia is quite seriously quoted by TV Star, Channel 1 and other scraping media, passing off as a completely historical fact. Especially the conversation of the Fuhrer with the commander of the 12th bomber squadron (XZ, what a squadron, not a single KG with such a number was in the Luftwaffe bomber aviation) - word for word. Then in the play Goering and Brauchitsch (also in pajamas, I suppose) join this party.
              The masses have never known a thirst for truth. They demand illusions, without which they cannot live.

              Freud
              1. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 22: 50
                +6
                You are exactly a paragraph.
                "The masses never knew" - who are you? Are you not the masses? Are you special? Exceptional? If one hundred thousand million know that this is so, then with your knowledge you can go to the toilet. Although you can shout here that Kutuzov often had constipation, but then you will have a place in the "ear of Moscow". Although you may already be there.
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 November 2020 22: 58
                  -4
                  ... The masses never knew "- who are you? You are not the masses? Are you special?

                  Are you, sorry, are you opposing Freud now?
                  ... If a hundred thousand million knows what is so,
                  how much? laughing one hundred billion, I'm afraid the old Earth will not stand, alas.
                  1. Sergey Averchenkov
                    Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 23: 00
                    +4
                    Freud is a category?
                    One hundred thousand million is a humorous phrase if you don't get it.
                    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 November 2020 23: 10
                      -4
                      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                      Freud is a category?

                      Uh ... What, excuse me?
                      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

                      One hundred thousand million is a humorous phrase if you don't get it.

                      Ah, clearly ... Ridiculous, sir. Enchanting joke.
                      “When people talk about us mathematicians like bread crumbs, that's a lie!” ©
                      1. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 23: 19
                        +1
                        I'm sorry. :) Not really, you thought that "one hundred thousand million" can someone seriously say? :) But was there any hope? Truth? :)))))
                        So what is your Freud? After reading your Freud once, I felt like I was covered in shit. Oh, is this really a category for you? Sorry, but not for me.
                      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 November 2020 23: 21
                        0
                        ... After reading your Freud once, I felt like I was covered in shit

                        laughing I have no more questions.
            2. Avior
              Avior 8 November 2020 00: 54
              +2
              Hitler did not seem to speak Russian
              Eva Braun too.
              How did you guess that this is a parade in Moscow, and not in Kuibyshev, for example? Riddle.
              By the way, why was there a parade in Kuibyshev? There, it seems, was preparing a spare capital in case of surrender of Moscow?
            3. kalibr
              kalibr 8 November 2020 08: 12
              0
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              The masses have never known a thirst for truth. They demand illusions, without which they cannot live.

              Freud

              Only Pushkin said better than him: But you know yourself: senseless rabble
              Changeable, rebellious, superstitious,
              Easily empty hope betrayed,
              To instant suggestion is obedient,
              For the truth is deaf and indifferent,
              And she feeds on fables.
          2. AnderS
            AnderS 7 November 2020 22: 49
            +7
            ? Until just under Stalin, VICTORY DAY WAS NOT CELEBRATED! Victory Day between 1947 and 1965 was an ordinary day when the entire population worked without a single hint of a holiday.
            Enough to carry a blizzard, that this day was not celebrated either under Stalin or under Khrushchev. Or maybe your only day off can be a holiday? Since 45, this day has been a holiday, you can read the filings of any both all-Union and local newspapers for November 7 from 46 to 65, maybe then you will find out how this holiday was "not celebrated" ... Stop broadcasting liberal-fascist tales about how the USSR did not celebrate May 9 ...
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 8 November 2020 08: 16
              -1
              Andrew! Do you advise ME to read the files of old newspapers? To me?
              1. AnderS
                AnderS 8 November 2020 20: 30
                +2
                Do you advise ME to read the files of old newspapers? To me?

                And what are you so outstanding that you can't even advise? Or do you not know how to read? When the Bolsheviks did not fall under the educational program? laughing
                Judging by your comments, you should read them if you are under 60 and reread if you are older. And then, honestly, people are tired of people who always confuse soft with warm.
                1. kalibr
                  kalibr 8 November 2020 21: 07
                  0
                  Quote: AnderS
                  AnderS (Andrey)
                  Today, 20: 30

                  Do you advise ME to read the files of old newspapers? To me?

                  And what are you so outstanding that you can't even advise? Or do you not know how to read? When the Bolsheviks did not fall under the educational program?
                  Judging by your comments, you should read them if you are under 60 and reread if you are older. And then, honestly, people are tired of people who always confuse soft with warm.

                  Andrew! And you type in the Internet "all the books of Shpakovsky V.O." And take a look at my profile. There you will find 1400 articles, many of which are written on archival documents and newspapers. Moreover, here I had a series of articles "The Poisoned Pen" for the newspapers of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR. I am a Ph.D., Associate Professor, author of 6 university textbooks on journalism, PR, advertising, and the theory of public opinion management. So I really am a very outstanding person, imagine. Behind his back is his magazine "Tankomaster", published from 1991 to 2007, and 40 printed books in the USSR, Russia, England and Germany ... Do you know many who have more? So, if anyone confuses soft with warm, it is not for me. So you can advise, of course. But I also want to advise you: before you write to someone here, go to this person's profile. There are many interesting things!
        2. mat-vey
          mat-vey 8 November 2020 09: 09
          -1
          Quote: Egoza
          . Here and "secret" so that people do not make unnecessary comparisons.

          Everything is most likely simpler and lies on the surface - secrets about services that ensure the security of the conduct and counteraction to saboteurs and intelligence, and they, as you know, with deadlines and subscriptions, are still mothballed ...
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 November 2020 17: 58
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        Dear Elena! But it was secret data in 1965, and in 75, and 85 ... Well, okay ... 85th. But why not before?

        Well, I don’t understand about secrecy, but how many times the parade footage was shown and written about it. Yes, and all of us the older generation knew from our parents. Rather, it was classified under Eltsyn, so that the younger generation would not see it, how our grandfathers and fathers went straight from the parade to the front, like my brother's father-in-law. In order not to be seen in the stands of the Stalin Mausoleum.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 7 November 2020 18: 02
          +6
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Rather, it was classified under Eltsin

          Well, you don't need to fantasize. You yourself write ... they showed it all the time ... There was only no access to the documents. And it is enough to go to the website of the Ministry of Education to see that it was not under Yeltsin ...
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 7 November 2020 18: 03
          +5
          Quote: tihonmarine
          In order not to be seen in the stands of the Stalin Mausoleum.

          Now you can see everything on the Internet !!! Or do you only watch TV?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 7 November 2020 18: 51
            +1
            Quote: kalibr
            Now you can see everything on the Internet !!! Or do you only watch TV?

            And I don’t know, I can only watch TV via the Internet, but we don’t have TV like in your understanding.
        3. RUSS
          RUSS 7 November 2020 18: 49
          +6
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Rather, it was classified under Eltsin

          Vladimir Putin extended the secrecy regime for data on the Great Patriotic War until 2040.
          1. frruc
            frruc 7 November 2020 21: 53
            -3
            And the events with the Kursk submarine will probably last forever. Everything is shrouded in mystery!
        4. Doctor
          Doctor 7 November 2020 20: 48
          +1
          Well, I don't understand about secrecy,

          Look at the composition and affiliation of the troops.
      3. bubalik
        bubalik 7 November 2020 19: 07
        +2
        why wasn’t it possible earlier?
        ,,, the archives were not opened all, so for a diversion, according to the materials of the NKVD and NKID about that parade, the stamp "secret" has not yet been removed. Not everything is so simple, those more the Ambassador of Bulgaria Ivan Stamenov about the parade designed to demonstrate the power of the Red Army, reported from Kuibyshev to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Confessions of the Bulgarian Kingdom:
        “The celebration of the Soviet anniversary was held according to the old program ... Voroshilov is here, as it seems he is engaged in the formation of units for the front in the regions located east of Samara. At the parade, assembled units of about 2 infantry divisions were shown, artillery - meager and old, horses - village, exhausted, aviation - old and training models; people - from Siberia and various nationalities "...
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 7 November 2020 19: 25
          +8
          Quote: bubalik
          those more the Ambassador of Bulgaria Ivan Stamenov on the parade designed to demonstrate the power of the Red Army

          And this is something personally me, Sergei, most of all and depressing. On the one hand, we are talking about the fight against falsification of history, that young people are not interested in the knowledge of the Second World War ... And how could she be interested in reading stamps without references to primary sources? But on the other hand, the archives are closed until ... the twentieth year. It would seem something to hide when we have TWO indisputable facts: we won a terrible war (the first) and ... the USSR no longer exists (the second). Nobody will take our victory away from us, and it is really impossible to restore the USSR. So ... what to worry about and what secrets to hide? On the contrary, show the whole world how strong our state is, that there is nothing that can shake it. And we are stepping on the same rake, hiding something, not talking, but at the same time we want the youth to "love their homeland."
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 7 November 2020 19: 54
            +2
            when we have TWO indisputable facts: we won a terrible war (the first) and ... the USSR no longer exists (the second). Nobody will take our victory away from us, and it is really impossible to restore the USSR
            ,,, VO, we won't know the truth at what cost we won. The archives will certainly not be opened during our lifetime.
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 7 November 2020 20: 01
              +1
              Quote: bubalik
              The archives will certainly not be opened during our lifetime.

              Very sorry! How much time I spent in them and did not even touch a hundredth of% ... It's a shame!
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 7 November 2020 22: 56
            +3
            Quote: kalibr
            it is really impossible to restore the USSR

            USSR as allied state socialist republics, hardly, and why? Socialism means again to break the economy "to the ground, and then" ... when will this "then" come? And people live now, and not in the "bright future". And the union has in itself the potential for disintegration, which was shown by 1991. But it is quite possible to take Ukraine, Belarus, and possibly Kazakhstan, or at least those KZ areas where the majority of Russian speakers are part of the Russian Federation. Transcaucasia - only if they themselves crawl on their belly and lick Putin's shoes or whoever will be there after him for a long time, and no national-administrative autonomies, only provinces. And Central Asia is not needed for nothing, and even with a surcharge. Well, let the sprat limitrophes eat their independence with a full spoon, no matter how they slap themselves.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 9 November 2020 08: 06
              0
              Indeed, why break up such a well-established system - a handful of backsliders rule, rob and humiliate everyone else? Who needs this socialism, with its dominant role as a working man, super-socialist and real equality of citizens? Bourgeois predators definitely don't need it And the rest? And no one crawls to us, it sucks with us.
          3. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
            Andrey Krasnoyarsky 9 November 2020 14: 39
            0
            What makes you think that the archives are closed? When did you dream? All state archives are open and operational (except that now access has been restricted due to the coronavirus). Several years ago I myself worked in the archives of the Ministry of Defense in Podolsk on the history of the 22nd Bomber Aviation Regiment during the Great Patriotic War. And my publication came out exclusively based on the materials of the archive. Another thing is that everyone in a row is not allowed into the archive, this is still not the wine and vodka department of the grocery store. Each piece of paper there has the status of historical and cultural heritage. There is a certain procedure for obtaining admission to the archive, any historian (not only professional) knows it. It is another matter that all archives contain secret funds, and some departmental archives are closed to outsiders (for example, the archives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB, etc.). By the way, I happened to see closed-end funds, but I must disappoint you - there are no stunning and sensational materials there - routine office work.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 7 November 2020 21: 01
          -4
          Quote: bubalik
          The archives were not opened all, so as a distraction, according to the materials of the NKVD and NKID about that parade, the “secret” stamp has not yet been removed.

          A number of experts believe that this is due to the role of the NKVD in the destruction of Soviet citizens during the war. The archives of the NKVD are classified by a decree of Vladimir Putin until 2050.

          Another reason is collaboration in the occupied territories, which reached 90%, the level of desertion at the initial stage was prohibitive, not only from the Crimean Tatars; most of all foreign soldiers in the troops subordinate to Germany were given by the USSR - it is not worth recognizing this officially, because our history should only be heroic.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 8 November 2020 08: 07
            0
            Quote: RUSS
            A number of experts believe that this is due to the role of the NKVD in the destruction of Soviet citizens during the war. The archives of the NKVD are classified by a decree of Vladimir Putin until 2050.

            Another reason is collaboration in the occupied territories, which reached 90%, the level of desertion at the initial stage was prohibitive, not only from the Crimean Tatars; most of all foreign soldiers in the troops subordinate to Germany were given by the USSR - it is not worth recognizing this officially, because our history should only be heroic.

            Yes, I agree completely. But THIS WAS. And how does this affect your salary, my pension. It was and ... it was NOT. In general, the whole war is a lie! So after all, you can also talk about the flat earth! Well, the memory of history does not affect life today. So what are they afraid of? Moreover, just then it would be necessary to show that the USSR was shit, the NKVD was worse than the Gestapo, etc. Again, this does not "affect" today.
    2. svp67
      svp67 7 November 2020 17: 44
      11
      Madam hi
      Quote: Egoza
      And no one is standing on the platform of the Mausoleum!
      What are you madam, they are afraid to hear from the screens of new films about that time "I Serve the Soviet Union", replacing it, already canceled then: "I Serve the Working People", and you are about the Mausoleums. To stand on the Mausoleum is to clearly show your position on the place of Russia and the USSR in the History of this world. Or maybe it’s right that they don’t get up, after Stalin, there were too many "political dwarfs" there, it is not worth comparing with him, with the Man "who took Russia with a plow, but left with an atomic bomb" and on the threshold of Space, as well as who won SUCH war
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 November 2020 18: 02
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Or maybe it’s right that they don’t get up, after Stalin, there were too many "political dwarfs" there, it is not worth comparing with him

        Here I agree and agree with you. Only strong people who were caring for the country and people could stand in such a holy place.
        1. tatra
          tatra 7 November 2020 18: 23
          +6
          Even the old and sick Brezhnev, 2 days before his death, stood on the podium of the Mausoleum for the entire Parade on November 7. And these rulers, who were imposed on Russia and the Russian people by the enemies of the Communists, are hosting the Parade, sitting lounging in their chairs.
  3. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 7 November 2020 17: 11
    +1
    because someone then hung a vulture on them. all were obviously preparing for it in secrecy.
  4. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 17: 30
    0
    Especially when everyone knows about it.
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 7 November 2020 17: 32
      0
      If the bar was hanging, it means that they do not know about everything.
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 17: 39
        0
        Well ... I would not be so categorical ... There are many secret things that everyone knows about. :)
  5. svp67
    svp67 7 November 2020 17: 32
    +2
    Quote: Alf
    What's declassified here?

    Try it here: http://parade1941.mil.ru/
    Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Why was it necessary to keep these materials secret for so long ???

    It is also not clear. And what was opened raises questions, some of the documents are just a completed form, NOT SIGNED and without a stamp. These are not the first copies
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 7 November 2020 21: 50
      0
      It is also not clear. And what was opened raises questions, some of the documents are just a completed form, NOT SIGNED and without a stamp. These are not the first copies

      Signed in other archives are stored.
      Those that until 2050 ... laughing
  6. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 7 November 2020 18: 18
    +1
    Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Why was it necessary to keep these materials secret for so long ???

    I don’t understand the secret, many of us watched the film of those times, and it began with the Parade on November 7, 1941 on Red Square, for which they received the very first Oscar! It was awarded for the documentary "The Defeat of the German-Fascist Troops near Moscow".
    The film is based on documentary footage of the 1941 military parade. They are familiar to each of us. At least for those who were born and raised in the Soviet Union. From this chronicle, we remember how troops from the paving stones of Red Square went straight to the front. How Stalin at the Mausoleum says a parting speech to the soldiers.
    What secrets, under Stalin, he was seen by the whole USSR and the whole world, the Oscars simply did not give. And here we are told "classified".
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 November 2020 01: 01
      +3
      The fact is that Stalin's speech included in the film is a staged shooting.
      Filmed two weeks after the parade. During the parade, Stalin's speech was not filmed.
      ... The filming was carried out on November 27 in the St. George Hall of the Grand Kremlin Palace [63]. A photo of the reconstructed performance was published in the Pravda newspaper on December 12, 1941 [54] [40]. The filmed material was first included in the documentary “XXIV-th October. JV Stalin's speech ”. The footage of the parade with Stalin's speech was later included in the documentary tape of Leonid Varlamov and Ilya Kopalin "The Defeat of the German Troops near Moscow"
  7. deniso
    deniso 7 November 2020 19: 46
    +1
    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
    Why was it necessary to keep these materials secret for so long ???


    Probably, this information has not yet been declassified in the name of the fight against falsification of history ...
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 7 November 2020 19: 50
      0
      Most likely, the reason is very commonplace - they simply forgot to remove the seal of secrecy even after the war.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 November 2020 20: 22
      +4
      Quote: denis obuckov
      Probably, this information has not yet been declassified in the name of the fight against falsification of history ...

      Just like November 7 was classified, all the media are screaming about the US elections, who defeated Biidon or Trump, but everyone is silent about the Great October Revolution.
  8. Doctor
    Doctor 7 November 2020 20: 17
    +1
    Why was it necessary to keep these materials secret for so long ???

    Perhaps because of the 69 infantry battalions that participated in the Parade, 42 battalions of the NKVD. This is not counting artillery and cavalry.

    Nowadays, few people are interested, but in the days of the USSR there could be different associations. wink
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 7 November 2020 16: 43
    +7
    Those who want to know the truth will find out, and those who do not need it will find it pointless to prove something.
    But the younger generation must be told about how it really was. We need to do it ourselves. As in the media, schools and the Internet, there is more and more distortion or fogging.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 November 2020 20: 28
      -9
      ... here the younger generation must be told about how it really was. We need to do it ourselves.

      And how are you going to do it yourself? Catch the kid by the sleeve in the yard and start rubbing him about the genius of Comrade Stalin? And how did you know 'how it really was'? Are you a historian? Archivist? Do you have an idea about didactic methods? And your version is the only correct one?
      ... As in the media, schools and the Internet, there is more and more distortion or fogging.

      How are you going to carry your 'truth'? By what means? Hypnotic sessions or lectures in parks?
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 7 November 2020 16: 50
    20
    In the article - NOT A WORD about the reason for the parade. Is it really creepy to write about the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution?
    1. Million
      Million 7 November 2020 16: 53
      10
      They are afraid of repetition.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 7 November 2020 16: 50
    23
    Happy Holidays !!!
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 7 November 2020 17: 00
      18
      Vladimir, and you a happy holiday!
      I've just looked through the VO headings, hoping to find some article about this holiday. And nothing.
      Well, okay, all sorts of corrupt media are hushed up, Ernst with his first channel - like a mouthful of water. But IN? Honestly, I didn't expect ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 7 November 2020 17: 05
        16
        and I tried to place, the upgrade did not miss
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 17: 41
          +3
          Bad moderation. :(
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 7 November 2020 17: 17
        +5
        Quote: Reserve officer
        And nothing.

        for that is, today is an article about the international day of men, and the holiday of hoo and the article is extremely important sad
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 7 November 2020 18: 31
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          for that is, today is an article about the international day of men, and the holiday of hoo and the article is extremely important

          When I tried to write an article about the day of the fisherman, they told me that it was not of interest to visitors, just as you were told about the Day of November 7, the International Day of Men is more interesting. I really didn't understand why I was going to raise a glass.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 8 November 2020 03: 31
            +2
            Quote: tihonmarine
            for which I will raise a glass.

            Vlad hi First toast to the Great October Socialist Revolution! drinks The second toast is for us! drinks Well, and the third toast, to the men who are still there! drinks
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 8 November 2020 12: 16
              +1
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              Vlad First toast to the Great October Socialist Revolution! The second toast is for us! Well, and the third toast, to the men who are still there!

              I know exactly what I'm drinking the third toast for. The third toast we have from the pocon of the centuries "For those who are at sea".
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 8 November 2020 13: 24
                +2
                Quote: tihonmarine
                "For those who are at sea."

                I agree, but this toast is only with us ...
                PS And only real men go to the Seas! drinks
      3. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2020 17: 34
        +2
        Totally agree with you.
      4. Gardamir
        Gardamir 7 November 2020 18: 19
        +1
        Honestly, I didn't expect
        This is the difference between totalitarianism and democracy. Under totalitarianism, what is prohibited is prohibited, what is permitted is permitted. And in a democracy, supposedly, rights and freedoms. "You can write about anything, but if you have anything in mind ..."
      5. tatra
        tatra 7 November 2020 18: 28
        +1
        And on the Internet, something is not observed the next annual rage against the October Revolution of those who are for counter-revolution in the anti-Soviet Perestroika.
      6. nnm
        nnm 7 November 2020 18: 41
        +3
        Another thing is more important ... and this can be seen from the comments of colleagues - no matter how hard they try to make us forget about our history, they do not succeed!
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 7 November 2020 23: 29
          -2
          Quote: nnm
          this can be seen from the comments of colleagues -

          laughing laughing laughing It can be seen that a good half of these, out of habit, pour out their own inventions into the network, rushing over on the occasion of a weekend and a holiday. Well, these are okay - let's write off the emotions warmed up by alcohol. But there are also those that carry heavy game without any doping - this is already the sphere of activity of punitive psychiatry. yes
      7. Clear
        Clear 7 November 2020 19: 36
        10
        Quote: Stock Officer
        Vladimir, and you a happy holiday!
        I've just looked through the VO headings, hoping to find some article about this holiday. And nothing.
        Well, okay, all sorts of corrupt media are hushed up, Ernst with his first channel - like a mouthful of water. But IN? Honestly, I didn't expect ...

        We are here and remember! Congratulations to all those to whom it is remembered and dear! love
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 7 November 2020 16: 53
    +9
    Duc, and what, in fact, have I read in excess of the secret? ..
    What falsifications have taken place? ..
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  • kalibr
    kalibr 7 November 2020 16: 56
    +3
    The military department noted that declassified documents from the funds of the Central Archives of the Ministry of Defense were published as part of a program for the protection and protection of historical truth, countering falsification of history, attempts to revise the results of World War II.
    And that it is only now necessary? What prevented this from being done in 1965,75,85, XNUMX, XNUMX? What was there so SECRET that it became possible to find out only now?
    1. Alf
      Alf 7 November 2020 17: 28
      +4
      Quote: kalibr
      The military department noted that declassified documents from the funds of the Central Archives of the Ministry of Defense were published as part of a program for the protection and protection of historical truth, countering falsification of history, attempts to revise the results of World War II.
      And that it is only now necessary? What prevented this from being done in 1965,75,85, XNUMX, XNUMX? What was there so SECRET that it became possible to find out only now?

      And the fact that in the 65th and in the 75th the history of the USSR was not so muddled as after the 85th and especially in the 2000s. We did not revise the History of the Second World War until the 85th.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 7 November 2020 17: 44
        0
        Quote: Alf
        And the fact that in the 65th and in the 75th the history of the USSR was not so muddled as after the 85th and especially in the 2000s. We did not revise the History of the Second World War until the 85th.

        Wonderful! But then why not take and open all the archives? But it was decided that they would be open only in 2045? Why wait for something? What will be less muddling, or even more? Don't you think that the best way to combat watering would be a complete presentation of information to all concerned? Any concealment can always be used for selfish purposes. I've never come across that the truth is possible ...
        1. Alf
          Alf 7 November 2020 22: 01
          +1
          Quote: kalibr
          Don't you think that the best way to combat watering would be a complete presentation of information to all concerned?

          And the authorities need it? The less people know, the easier it is to spit in the USSR and shoot "masterpieces" such as Burnt by the Sun, Penalty Battles, Bastards, Citadel. So the younger generation knows that the special officers were only looking for someone to shoot, the generals are stupid, the bloody Stalin, to attack with sticks.
          But when I ask when the Red Army troops crossed the USSR border for the first time, only one named June 24, 1941.
        2. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 7 November 2020 22: 06
          +1
          Quote: kalibr
          Wonderful! But then why not take and open all the archives?

          You, yes, all the Soviet archives? Oh! wink
          YOU haven’t wondered why the West doesn’t open their archives? And they even prolong secrecy, in particular in the UK.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 8 November 2020 11: 02
            -2
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            YOU haven’t asked the question - why the West doesn’t open their archives?

            I know exactly how matters stand with the archives there. In Italy, when the KPI collapsed after the 91st, the WHOLE archive of the KPI was opened for access at once. Free access. And nobody died! Anyone in England can work with the Imperial War Archive. There must be something there, yes, there is a secret. I don’t know and I’m surprised how you know. But again, I'm talking about Italy. Why not open the archives of the CPSU Central Committee for the general public?
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 8 November 2020 11: 30
              +1
              Quote: kalibr
              Just how things are with the archives there, I know better than you

              The topic of secrecy in professional historical circles, I think, was well "sucked." You really know better.
              Even an amateur can judge the "openness" of their archives in the Hess case in Great Britain. They promised to declassify and again extended the ban right up to 2039. How many times?wink
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 8 November 2020 12: 17
                -2
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                Even an amateur can judge about the "openness" of their archives in the Hess case in Great Britain.

                Yes, this is a very good example! Incidentally, I also don't understand what's secret. The Germans were beaten. Gass is a criminal. Whatever he says DOES NOT HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE.
                1. Was mammoth
                  Was mammoth 8 November 2020 12: 38
                  0
                  .
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Incidentally, I also don't understand what's secret.

                  Read the summer article not by a historian, but by a very knowledgeable person - Vladimir Putin. Is this familiar? wink
                  "In his article on World War II, The Russian president, in particular, called on all countries to open access to previously unknown documents about this conflict and the pre-war period. This is the first time the head of our state has raised this question publicly in this form ...
                  ... the head of the scientific department of the Russian Military Historical Society (RVIO) Yuri Nikiforov said that “Great Britain and the United States are very selective in declassifying documents about World War II and its prehistory. Thus, Great Britain has not yet solved the case of Rudolf Hess about Germany's secret attempt to negotiate peace with London in 1941. The United States does not publish documents on various behind-the-scenes negotiations, including with Hitler in 1945. " In other words, he made it clear that stubbornly, hiding such documents for 75 years, the West does not want the true history of World War II to become known."

                  https://news-front.info/2020/06/23/tajna-missii-rudolfa-gessa-putin-ne-zrya-prizval-zapad-rassekretit-dokumenty-vtoroj-mirovoj-vojny/
                  1. kalibr
                    kalibr 8 November 2020 13: 09
                    0
                    Well, that Putin is great, he plays correctly on the information field. Our opponents are wrong, they make our own mistakes. Sooner or later it will pour out to them. There is no other way!
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 8 November 2020 13: 34
                      0
                      You, too, were swept into the geopolitical jungle.
                      Quote: kalibr
                      plays correctly on the information field

                      On what? Unless in the internal Russian. No one in the West is interested in the secrets of the 41-year parade or the number of losses or planning errors, etc. and so on. This is only of interest to the Russian people and Russian historians. Therefore, classifying the events of 80 years ago is hiding the truth only from its own people
                      1. kalibr
                        kalibr 8 November 2020 17: 37
                        0
                        By demanding something from the West and putting it in an uncomfortable position, we will always be at least in some kind of gain ...
                      2. Liam
                        Liam 8 November 2020 18: 13
                        +1
                        I'm sorry but this is nonsense
                      3. kalibr
                        kalibr 8 November 2020 19: 45
                        +1
                        The rule of information warfare is this: the field on which there is your positive information will not become the field for the enemy's positive information.
                        "Sorry, but this is nonsense.": it is hardly worth being so categorical.
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 7 November 2020 22: 45
      0
      Don't you think that the best way to combat watering would be a complete presentation of information to all concerned? Any concealment can always be used for selfish purposes. I've never come across that the truth is possible ...

      Do you think so?
      Take another look at these declassified documents.
      For example Plan of the central part of Moscow.
      Examine the name, number, subordination and initial location of the parts.
      Think ... laughing
  • Van 16
    Van 16 7 November 2020 17: 45
    +6
    "What prevented this from being done in 1965,75,85, XNUMX, XNUMX? What was there so SECRET that it became possible to find out only now?"

    I will support. I have the same question. Don't keep such things secret. On the contrary, you need to show as much as possible.
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  • apro
    apro 7 November 2020 17: 06
    +5
    The parade in honor of the parade ... soon there will be a big state secret why military parades were held on November 7 and not 4 ...
    Today, the topic of the Great October Socialist Revolution is carefully avoided. Why would it suddenly ???
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 7 November 2020 17: 14
    +1
    What's the secret? About whom and most importantly WHAT have they been hiding for almost 80 years?
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 7 November 2020 17: 17
      0

      The Ministry of Defense declassified documents about the military parade on November 7, 1941.

      ... According to archival documents, the military parade on November 7, 1941 took place not only in Moscow, but also in Kuibyshev (Samara) and Voronezh. Moreover, in Kuibyshev, unlike Moscow, there was an air unit ...


      Perhaps few witnesses and parade participants from other cities remained, and then for the same reason they also forgot to remove the neck secret.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 7 November 2020 17: 38
        +4
        I think that during the war the preparation of the parade and its holding were kept secret, so that, God forbid, at that moment the Germans, having learned about this mass event, would not start a raid. It's clear. What was kept secret for another 79 years?
        1. zenion
          zenion 7 November 2020 17: 51
          0
          Secretaries and will keep secret, so that they would not accidentally find out that this was the date of the beginning of the creation of the state that kicked Europe and the creators of Hitler's ass. In 2000, when the United States was supposed to open archives about World War II, the date was postponed by another 50 years. You never know what?
    2. Constanty
      Constanty 7 November 2020 18: 23
      +1
      There is a strange background behind Stalin's back. It moves like a painted canvas.
      Was Lenin's mausoleum obscured then, or was Stalin speaking somewhere else?

      The parade itself is famous - to see the faces of these young people just a few hours before the deadly battle is unique.
      Does anyone know how many participants in this parade survived to Victory Day?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 7 November 2020 18: 42
        0
        Apparently, the speech was filmed separately, in the scenery and later incorporated into the chronicle. In those days, there was still no such optics for ordinary film cameras to photograph Stalin alone on the podium of the mausoleum. There is nowhere to even put a camera, and in the film you can see that the entire leadership is on the podium. That day there was a real snowstorm and there was no time for such long speeches.
        1. Liam
          Liam 7 November 2020 19: 05
          +3
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Apparently the speech was filmed separately.

          On November 17, a decision was received to shoot Stalin in the Kremlin. They instructed Varlamov and me. On the 20th we were given the text of the speech with Stalin's personal notes of those places that must be included in the picture. The shooting will take place in one of the halls of the Kremlin, where a layout of the scenery will be prepared: the Mausoleum against the background of the Kremlin wall. In nervous anticipation, Varlamov and I are on duty for days.
          From the book by Mark Troyanovsky "... Equally with the century" 2004 "


          It was possible to shoot on November 27 in the St. George Hall of the Grand Kremlin Palace. A photo of the reconstructed performance was published in the Pravda newspaper on December 12, 1941.
          The filmed material was first included in the documentary "XXIV-th October. JV Stalin's speech ”. The footage of the parade with Stalin's speech was later included in the documentary film of Leonid Varlamov and Ilya Kopalin "The Defeat of the German Troops near Moscow", which won an Oscar in 1943 for Best Documentary
          .
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 7 November 2020 19: 22
            +1
            My assumptions turned out to be correct. Thanks. hi
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 7 November 2020 21: 07
              0
              My assumptions turned out to be correct. Thanks. hi

              There is a version that the sound could not be recorded in the original due to the weather.
              I had to repeat it on the LSI.
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              2. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 7 November 2020 21: 14
                0
                In those days, there were no cinematographic cameras for synchronous sound recording. The video sequence was filmed separately, and the scale - separately. All this was synchronized on special equipment in studio conditions. Nobody could have made a high-quality sound recording on the platform of the mausoleum. The weather in this case is a background hindrance.
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 7 November 2020 21: 22
                  +1
                  In those days, there were no cinematographic cameras for synchronous sound recording. The video sequence was filmed separately, and the scale - separately. All this was synchronized on special equipment in studio conditions. Nobody could have made a high-quality sound recording on the platform of the mausoleum. The weather in this case is a background hindrance.

                  Look at document # 36 - list of car passes.
                  The car of the camera crew with their junk was simply not allowed into the square. I had to drag it in my hands. Did not have time...

                  This is in the memoirs of cameramen of those years, Mark Troyanovsky, Theodor Bunimovich, and others.
                  1. A. Privalov
                    A. Privalov 7 November 2020 22: 00
                    0
                    These are cameramen. They did not know how to make sound recording on the street yet. In 41, portable recording devices of adequate quality were not yet available.
                2. Liam
                  Liam 7 November 2020 21: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: A. Privalov
                  Nobody could have made a high-quality sound recording on the tribune of the mausoleum.

                  This does not explain the fact why there is at least the original video, but it was necessary to make a staged in the Kremlin with the scenery.
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 7 November 2020 22: 05
                    -2
                    Quote: Liam
                    Quote: A. Privalov
                    Nobody could have made a high-quality sound recording on the tribune of the mausoleum.

                    This does not explain the fact why there is at least the original video, but it was necessary to make a staged in the Kremlin with the scenery.

                    Because the start time of the parade was postponed by 30 minutes for secrecy. The Luftwaffe didn't take long to fly to Moscow at that moment.
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 7 November 2020 22: 09
                      +2
                      Quote: Alf
                      Because the start time of the parade was postponed by 30 minutes for secrecy. The Luftwaffe didn't take long to fly to Moscow at that moment

                      The parade was primarily propagandistic in nature, which everyone agrees with. It was supposed to be shown to the country and the world. And everyone was taken at the right time, except for the cameramen, who were supposed to film everything? It couldn't just be
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 7 November 2020 22: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Liam
                        It couldn't just be

                        I expressed the version that I heard and I agree with it. You doubt it is your right.
                  2. A. Privalov
                    A. Privalov 7 November 2020 22: 09
                    -2
                    Quote: Liam
                    Quote: A. Privalov
                    Nobody could have made a high-quality sound recording on the tribune of the mausoleum.

                    This does not explain the fact why there is at least the original video, but it was necessary to make a staged in the Kremlin with the scenery.

                    Not "video", but "cinematic". There was nowhere to shoot. Cinema cameras 35 mm were bulky, teleoptics were not yet available. They could not be dragged directly to the podium. There would also have to be a cameraman, additional light would be needed, since the film was of low sensitivity, etc. etc.
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 7 November 2020 22: 14
                      +2
                      Quote: A. Privalov
                      There was nowhere to shoot

                      The parade was filmed and the tribune too. So it was from where.


                      Only Stalin's speech was not filmed, most likely because there was nothing to film. By the way, he never made any speeches at parades
                      1. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 8 November 2020 03: 51
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                        Quote: Liam
                        The parade was filmed and the tribune too. So it was from where.

                        Filmed, but in a general shot and from a relatively long distance. It was simply not possible to shoot Stalin in close-up on the platform of the mausoleum. It would be necessary to bring a platform with several cameras closer to it, because the cassettes with film ran out very quickly and while one camera was shooting, it would be necessary to reload the second, but in the cold in a blizzard, but under pain of punishment. One person cannot cope there, he would have to put an assistant, but the obligatory presence of guards from the NKVD in such proximity to the Leader is inevitable. There was nowhere to place such a crowd.
                      2. Liam
                        Liam 8 November 2020 07: 26
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                        Quote: A. Privalov
                        It was simply not possible to shoot Stalin in close-up on the platform of the mausoleum.


                        1937 year


                        1939 year



                        1945 year

                        https://youtu.be/qrKgARhZPR4

                        As you can see, it was possible to shoot at the Mausoleum with any plans. There was no speech at the parade, so we had to put the scenery in the Kremlin later.

                        Quote: A. Privalov
                        yes in the frost in a blizzard

                        )))
                        I specially posted this film about the 1941 parade. After Stalin's staged speech, from about 6 minutes 45 seconds, there are footage of the passage of troops, the tribune of the Mausoleum with the authorities, etc. Do you see a storm there?)
                    2. Alex Justice
                      Alex Justice 8 November 2020 10: 45
                      0
                      At 12:20, the tank races begin :) Was it interesting Debriefing?
                    3. kalibr
                      kalibr 8 November 2020 11: 10
                      -2
                      By the way, please note that the tanks not only lack the notorious stars, but also white numbers.
            2. Alf
              Alf 7 November 2020 22: 04
              0
              Quote: Arzt
              My assumptions turned out to be correct. Thanks. hi

              There is a version that the sound could not be recorded in the original due to the weather.
              I had to repeat it on the LSI.

              Moreover, I heard that when the walkers came to the IVS to make a speech again because of the refusal of the cell, they were openly afraid, but the Leader agreed without question.
              1. Liam
                Liam 7 November 2020 22: 17
                +2
                Quote: Alf
                Moreover, I heard that when the walkers came to the IVS on the topic to make a speech again because of the refusal of the cell, they were openly afraid, but the Leader agreed without question

                You contradict yourself. You write to me that there were no operators at all due to the postponement of the parade. And here you say that the camera (as if there was only one camera) refused.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 7 November 2020 22: 23
                  0
                  Quote: Liam
                  Quote: Alf
                  Moreover, I heard that when the walkers came to the IVS on the topic to make a speech again because of the refusal of the cell, they were openly afraid, but the Leader agreed without question

                  You contradict yourself. You write to me that there were no operators at all due to the postponement of the parade. And here you say that the camera (as if there was only one camera) refused.

                  Not a camera, but recording equipment. And notice, the movie doesn't start over.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 7 November 2020 22: 24
                    +2
                    Quote: Alf

                    Not a camera, but a recording equipment

                    The further into the forest ..)
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 7 November 2020 22: 27
                      -2
                      Quote: Liam
                      Quote: Alf

                      Not a camera, but a recording equipment

                      The further into the forest ..)

                      Nothing more to argue? Have you seen this movie yourself?
                    2. Liam
                      Liam 7 November 2020 22: 42
                      +2
                      Quote: Alf
                      Nothing more to argue?

                      Why. For each objection, you have a new version that refutes its own. The same previous one.
                      Quote: Alf
                      Have you seen this movie yourself?

                      Of course I saw. That was something and filmed. From the very beginning. There was no parade in the classical sense, with the commanders prancing on horses, with the Counter March, with boxes of participants and three cheers and welcoming speeches and reports.
                      And that was what was removed - the authorities in the stands of the Mausoleum and the passage of this mixed hodgepodge from different parts (mainly the NKVD). To these cuts, Stalin's staged speech was attached a couple of weeks later and the film was made.
      2. Constanty
        Constanty 7 November 2020 21: 23
        +1
        Thanks for the explanation!
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 7 November 2020 20: 41
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Apparently the speech was filmed separately.

      in fact, this is a historical fact, the film crew due to secrecy was late for the beginning and Stalin's speech was filmed in the pavilion
      1. Liam
        Liam 7 November 2020 20: 52
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        the film crew was late due to secrecy

        Do you believe that yourself?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 7 November 2020 23: 14
          +1
          in the fact that the crew was not named real time?
          Yes
        2. Avior
          Avior 8 November 2020 01: 08
          +1
          The fact that Stalin's speech was filmed in the Kremlin at the end of November is not a fact.
          This is more than a fact - the way it really was :))) ...
          1. Liam
            Liam 8 November 2020 07: 31
            +1
            I don't seem to deny it anywhere)
            My doubts concern stories about the late arrival of all those dozens of operators who worked at such events
  • Doctor
    Doctor 7 November 2020 20: 59
    0
    Does anyone know how many participants in this parade survived to Victory Day?

    Many. There are only 65 rifle divisions out of combat units.
    And that is surprisingly missed. The division commander Koshevoy is not entirely his own, the Civil War was held at Primakov's in the Chervonnoye Cossacks.

    It was only Simonov's person with a biography of Serpilin who could have ended up on Red Square at that moment.
    Not to mention Sintsov and Zolotarev. wink
  • Avior
    Avior 8 November 2020 01: 05
    +3
    Stalin's speech in your plot is staged filming, filmed at the end of November in a room in the Kremlin.
    During the parade, Stalin's speech was not filmed.
    Perhaps it was hidden, you never know what the officials came up with.
  • Object.F7
    Object.F7 7 November 2020 17: 52
    +4
    Once upon a time, people did not even have thoughts that the truth, as it is, would have to be defended. And today, according to the zomboyaschik from the oligarchs, a solid zuleikha is peeing in your eyes, I have already lost count of all this modern Russian cinema (through a hyphen to an anti-Soviet vyserophotographer), across Russia1, nonstop "bloody gebnya", and bald Kiselev will tell about reconciliation with the Vlasovites
  • Alien From
    Alien From 7 November 2020 17: 59
    +1
    I wanted to raise the topic of the parade in the morning), well, all the veterans and home front workers with this bright and at the same time mournful date, goodness and health!)
  • BAI
    BAI 7 November 2020 18: 08
    +3
    The military department noted that declassified documents from the funds of the Central Archives of the Ministry of Defense were published as part of a program for the protection and protection of historical truth, countering falsifications of history, attempts to revise the results of World War II

    And the de.bi.ly from the military department could not explain what is secret here and why this information in order to counter the falsification of history could not be published 10 years ago?
    The USSR is not 30 years old. In 1941 this information may be. and was secret. Classified. According to the instructions, roughly speaking, for 80 years. The deadline has expired and has been declassified, and now they are now being presented as their great merit and they are also giving up the ideological base. M. b. some will even receive military orders for the fight against falsification of history. WHAT HINDERED THIS BEFORE DOING? If you need to fight the falsification of history? The 1937 instruction?
    1. Alf
      Alf 7 November 2020 22: 07
      0
      Quote: BAI
      And the de.bi.ly from the military department could not explain what is secret here and why this information in order to counter the falsification of history could not be published 10 years ago?

      Because by that time a program of spitting on the history of the USSR was raging in Russia. And then open the archives?
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 7 November 2020 18: 11
    +5
    The people defended their homeland !!! Russians, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Udmurts, Bashkirs, Tatars are all who lived on this land! We went to survive or die, but the main thing is to expel the enemy from our land! Honor and Glory to the Winner People!
    These parades raised the military spirit, after the defeat near Moscow, the Nazi invaders no longer thought about the blitzkrieg, and Stalingrad and the Kursk Bulge showed all the might of the spirit of the Soviet people!
  • Object.F7
    Object.F7 7 November 2020 18: 12
    +1
    By the way, in the photo from the parade, there are faces of Asian appearance. Are these the same heroic Kazakhs from the Panfilov division? I already wanted to watch the film ... Without the oligarchs and Mikhalkov, with the people's money and with the participation of the Chinese, you can suddenly make good films
  • bubalik
    bubalik 7 November 2020 18: 36
    +4
    in Kuibyshev (Samara)

    ,,, the parade was opened by the combined battalion of the commanding staff of the central administration of the People's Commissariat of Defense. The core of the parade was the 65th (9725 people), more equipped with military equipment and artillery, and the 239th (5986 people) rifle divisions. Part of the personnel drove 206 vehicles. Also, the parade was attended by the command staff and cadets of the Kuibyshev Military Medical Academy (900 people), the 40th searchlight regiment of 36 searchlights (219 people),


    combined battalion of sailors (602 people from the Red Banner Amur Flotilla


    and formed in the region of the 84th and 85th naval rifle brigades), the NKVD troops (3672 people), the combined NKO orchestra (359 people). Some of the soldiers rode on horses - 188 on horseback, 356 on artillery carts and 248 on carts.

    1. bubalik
      bubalik 7 November 2020 18: 39
      +5
      , 84 carts and 119 tractors, tracked artillery tractors T-20 "Komsomolets" with 45-mm anti-tank guns, as well as other anti-tank, medium and long-range guns, 208 guns in total, passed through the area.


      1. bubalik
        bubalik 7 November 2020 18: 41
        +5
        ,,, after the military, the workers marched through the square for an hour. According to some reports, there were 178 of them.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 7 November 2020 21: 32
          0
          ,, after the military, the workers marched through the square for an hour. According to some reports, there were 178 of them.

          According to declassified documents, 20 battalions of armed workers.
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 7 November 2020 21: 51
            +1
            ,, then and then it comes out, approximately.
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 7 November 2020 21: 53
              0
              ,, then and then it comes out, approximately.

              If a battalion admits 500 people, then 500 x 20 - 10 will come out.
              Not 178.
              1. bubalik
                bubalik 7 November 2020 22: 19
                +1
                ,, therefore, will not be declassified.
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 7 November 2020 22: 36
                  +1
                  ,, therefore, will not be declassified.

                  Already. Document 10. "Armed workers" - 5520. That is, battalions of 250 people.
  • Olkhovsky
    Olkhovsky 7 November 2020 19: 53
    +4
    I am 39, I hope I will live when this holiday will again be celebrated officially and solemnly.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 7 November 2020 20: 13
    0
    I wonder what could be hidden in the documents of 1941? Why did they keep secret for so long, because even if there were someone's surnames or certain information, they could not be voiced.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 7 November 2020 22: 04
      -1
      I wonder what could be hidden in the documents of 1941? Why did they keep secrets for so long, because even if there were someone's surnames or certain information, they could not have been voiced

      And you read these names in declassified documents on the MO website. Linear list - documents 42,43,44.
      And at the same time, see what part they are from.

      OMSBON.
      The immediate boss is Pavel Anatolyevich, the direct boss is Lavrenty Pavlovich. laughing
      Like 80% of those who passed that day in the square.

      Here is the reason for such a long secrecy.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 7 November 2020 20: 50
    +1
    And why did they secret them for 80 years?
    somebody knows?
    1. Turanov
      Turanov 8 November 2020 11: 08
      -2
      Quote: Alex2000
      And why did they secret them for 80 years?
      somebody knows?

      For people like you))))) They will just start to turn something upside down in history, and once we have archived facts for them (a little each) .. They calmed down again, only they would open their mouths with whining, etc. We are again throwing an interesting fact for them from the archive .. That's what everything is stored for! wink
      You can't spread everything at once, everyone will be vulgarized at once .. But gradually, very effectively, it is not for nothing that some "dissidents human rights activists" are so afraid of disclosing the archives of the KGB, etc.
      P / S / One very famous and ardent anti-Soviet dissident, in the 90s was shown the case of her father "repressed" in 37th (EBN allowed) .. She came so loud and contemptuous, and left after reading quietly and with downcast eyes in shame .. ..Who won't tell you! hi
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  • AnderS
    AnderS 7 November 2020 22: 36
    +4
    Declassified documents from the funds of the Central Archives of the Ministry of Defense were published as part of a program for the protection and protection of historical truth, countering falsifications of history, attempts to revise the results of World War II.

    What valiant "fighters" against the falsification of history ... It turns out that the parade on November 7, 1941 was held for its own sake !!! And not in honor of the next anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution ... Such "fighters" should, first of all, fight themselves ...
  • Radikal
    Radikal 7 November 2020 22: 44
    0
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    I don't remember the Georgians among the generals of the Wehrmacht. Guderiani?

    No, completely different, like - Abzatian Epitafiashvili .... Something like that. lol
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 7 November 2020 22: 47
    +4
    All the holiday!
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 8 November 2020 01: 47
    +2
    Now to hang banners of Lenin and Stalin on the wall at the parade, that would be a blessing.
    1. apro
      apro 8 November 2020 01: 53
      -1
      Quote: Incvizitor
      Now to hang banners of Lenin and Stalin on the wall at the parade, that would be a blessing.

      To whom and why? Countries are completely different and hostile ... then and now. This is the history of the USSR. Russia is writing its own history today.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 8 November 2020 07: 41
    +2
    And what was there to secret for almost 80 years! request And then, they accuse others of "falsification" of history. If such data were already secret, that they have other documents waiting for 100 years in the archives. History is closed, people are thinking out.
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 8 November 2020 13: 41
    +1
    Not even 80 years have passed.