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Azerbaijan showed the territories of Nagorno-Karabakh liberated "from occupation"

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Azerbaijan showed the territories of Nagorno-Karabakh liberated "from occupation"

Azerbaijani television continues to show reports from the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh from villages "liberated from occupation". In another report, the Azerbaijani TV channel showed the abandoned and destroyed equipment of the Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army left in the Fizuli region. It is reported that the Azerbaijani army managed to break into the Armenian defense.


At the same time, the President of the country Ilham Aliyev announced the capture of 16 more settlements in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh under the control of Azerbaijani troops.

The valiant Azerbaijani army liberated the villages of Yukhari Veyselli, Yukhary Seyidakhmedli, Gorgan, Uchunchu Mahmudlu, Gajar, Divanlylar of Fizuli, Yukhary Mezre, Yanarhadj Jabrail, Gazyan, Balasoltanli, Merdanly, Baqadalghaqtal, Khobadalguta, Gubadalgut,

- wrote Aliyev on Twitter.


Baku denied the statements of Yerevan about the shelling of Shushi in Karabakh, stating that no shelling was carried out in this direction. At the same time, it is argued that the main hostilities were fought on the Agderin, Aghdam and Khojavend areas of the front, where the Armenian forces were forced to retreat due to heavy losses in personnel, leaving their positions.

Information about periodic shelling of the city of Shusha by the Azerbaijani army is completely untrue

- it is spoken in the message of the Ministry of Defense.

In turn, the Defense Ministry of the unrecognized NKR reported about stubborn battles on the night of Friday to Saturday. According to the report, the NKR defense army repelled numerous attacks of the Azerbaijani side on the city of Shushi.

Stubborn and intense battles took place at night in the Shushi-Karintak sector. Army units of Karabakh successfully suppressed numerous attacks of the enemy, who suffered heavy losses in manpower

- said in Stepanakert.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 7 November 2020 13: 52 New
    -30 qualifying.
    Well, 16 villages are not many bazaars! There won't be much room for Azerbaijanis to turn around in the markets!
    1. Renator
      Renator 7 November 2020 14: 07 New
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      Quote: Theodore
      Azerbaijanis turn around in the markets!

      Arrogance is off the charts!
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 7 November 2020 14: 10 New
        -15 qualifying.
        Baku denied the statements of Yerevan about the shelling of Shushi in Karabakh, stating that no shelling was carried out in this direction.

        Well, how can you respect the liar Aliyev after that ?!
        Is he out of business at all as the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Azerbaijan ?!
        Apparently, Aliyev really became an absolute puppet of Erdogan, as foreign media write about him.
        1. Renator
          Renator 7 November 2020 14: 17 New
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          Quote: Tatiana
          Aliyev has indeed become an absolute puppet of Erdogan, as the foreign media write about him.

          Bredyatina for free on the internet! Maybe Erdogan forced the Armenians to occupy the lands of Azerbaijan 30 years ago?
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 7 November 2020 15: 10 New
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            Quote: Renator
            Maybe Erdogan forced the Armenians to occupy the lands of Azerbaijan 30 years ago?

            And your historical knowledge about NK only ends with the last 30th anniversary?
            It seems so! According to the principle - I remember only what is beneficial to me!
            1. icant007
              icant007 8 November 2020 08: 42 New
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              Quote: Tatiana
              And your historical knowledge about NK only ends with the last 30th anniversary?


              Are you proposing to go into the depths of the centuries? Then everyone will be at war with everyone.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 8 November 2020 12: 41 New
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                Why go back centuries? Well, at least by the time of WWI and the formation of the Azerbaijan SSR and the Armenian SSR.
                Lawyers in court would have understood exactly this way - according to the historical documents of that time!
                And according to historical documents from that time, the current rights to NK are still not on the side of Azerbaijanis, but on the side of Armenians.
                I already wrote to you personally about this in the comments to the article "What did they think in Baku, involving foreign fighters in the armed conflict?" - Armenian Foreign Ministry.
                I understand: you have not read the documents. Didn't you read the article you were looking for? Let me remind you.
                Tatyana 6 November 2020 17:20
                Quote: Alex777
                There will be no tribunal. This is the liberation of the country's territory.
                Do you think that there will be no war crimes on the part of Erdogan's militants under the guise of the ARF to clean up the Armenians in NK?
                I can imagine how many severed heads will be found in NK! And what will happen to the Armenian women volunteers called up to the front is generally scary to think! And Aliyev will not be able to stop this. Aliyev is already called Erdogan's puppet.

                А As for the ownership of the lands of the NK to the Republic of Azerbaijan, this issue remains controversial, although it is sometimes decided by the right of the strong.

                For example. On the one hand, I read "The History of Irevan" - on the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Azerbaijan you mentioned above - https://mod.gov.az/ru/istoriya-irevani-410/

                And on the other hand, I read an article by a RUSSIAN architect about the rewriting of their history by Azerbaijanis in exactly the same way as the frozen Ukrainian Nazis - Westerners are now rewriting the history of Russia and Ukraine in Ukraine, based on their invented myths and fakes.
                And I believe him more than Azerbaijanis. Because it relies on historical monuments of architecture in NK! Which, for sure, will now be completely destroyed by the Turks.
                There are very interesting logical remarks in this article that are completely consistent with my scientific and political beliefs. I do not see any internal logical contradictions in his statement.
                "RUSSIAN ARCHITECT ABOUT THE WAR IN KARABAKH AND THE HISTORY FRAME" 04.11.2020 -
                https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5ee64f20790ceb6048924de4/russkii-arhitektor-o-voine-v-karabahe-i-podtasovkah-istorii-5fa2dd5ffeef0b1a8113a141

                Besides. Article "Baku itself admitted: Nagorno-Karabakh is not Azerbaijan" October 31, 2020 it is proved from the LEGAL TZr that the NK after the collapse of the USSR does not legally belong to the AR.- https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3104048.html

                TOTAL. Well, what kind of peace is possible in the South Caucasus, besides the peace that Erdogan is talking about? Namely, about the DESTROYING of all Armenians since 1915!
                1. icant007
                  icant007 8 November 2020 12: 50 New
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                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Well, at least by the time of WWI and the establishment of the Azerbaijan SSR and the Arm SSR.
                  That is how lawyers would understand in court on the basis of historical documents of that time!


                  And you imagine what it was? Even worse.

                  At the time of 1988, the worst was poor, but there was a consensus. Why stir up the past? Who got better from this?
                  And the fact that falsification of history is going on everywhere is not news to me.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 8 November 2020 12: 57 New
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                    Quote: icant007
                    At the time of 1988, the worst was poor, but there was a consensus.

                    What is the consensus if it ended in the 1994 WAR ?!
                    The Armenians of NK left the AzSSR on the basis of AUTHENTIC historical documents !!! And in principle, according to the law, they had a FULL right then!
                    1. icant007
                      icant007 8 November 2020 13: 09 New
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                      Quote: Tatiana
                      What is the consensus if it ended in the 1994 WAR ?!

                      Well, Armenia broke the consensus. They had been preparing for this for a long time, so Armenia, in military terms, had an offensive initiative, which led to a temporary success.
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 8 November 2020 15: 17 New
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                        Quote: icant007
                        Well, Armenia broke the consensus.

                        Because there was no consensus due to the position of the AR / AzSSR during the collapse of the USSR, in fact, there was no historical fact. Namely.

                        On the one hand, after the collapse of the USSR, the AR and RA countries returned to the 1921 treaties. And then Nagorno-Karabakh, according to the referendum of the inhabitants of NK, with 95% of the Armenian population there, then legally entered the RA.
                        But the Bolsheviks despite this decided nevertheless, they decided to secretly include NK in Azerbaijan, but this resolution of the Bolshevik group was not documented by the higher authorities and therefore it had no legal force.

                        You get a grasp of the documents! Everything is written there. Zhirinovsky, who is an orientalist by education, says the same thing on the video.
                      2. icant007
                        icant007 8 November 2020 15: 53 New
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Because there was no consensus due to the position of the AR / AzSSR during the collapse of the USSR, in fact, there was no historical fact.


                        I'm talking about that popular consensus. People lived nearby and did not fight.
                        And you all want to drag me into the historical and legal jungle.
                        I mean that the most basic principle - good neighborliness - was violated.
                        And the Armenian nationalist leaders violated it.
                        The Armenians of Karabakh were pushed into the abyss of strikes, rallies and demonstrations, war and poverty.
                        And for this, thanks must be said to the Muradyans, Balayans and Kaputikyans.
              2. icant007
                icant007 8 November 2020 12: 57 New
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                Quote: Tatiana
                Besides. In the article "Baku itself recognized: Nagorno-Karabakh is not Azerbaijan" dated October 31, 2020, it is proved from the LEGAL TZr that NK, after the collapse of the USSR, does not legally belong to Azerbaijan. - https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3104048 .html



                The author is Doctor of Philosophical Sciences, Corresponding Member of the National Academy of Sciences of Armenia.

                October 31 2020
                Alexander Manasyan))))

                Doctor of Philosophical Sciences (I am silent that the Armenian) proves from a legal point of view)))
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 8 November 2020 13: 09 New
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                  Quote: icant007
                  The author is Doctor of Philosophical Sciences, Corresponding Member of the National Academy of Sciences of Armenia.

                  October 31 2020
                  Alexander Manasyan))))

                  Doctor of Philosophical Sciences (I am silent that the Armenian) proves from a legal point of view)))

                  And what of it? Do you think that Armenians have no right to defend themselves against Azerbaijanis during the civil war? They have every right! And the historical and documentary way of defending one's innocence is no exception.

                  In court under the law the nationalities of the parties - the plaintiff and the defendant - do not matter at all!
                  The judge relies on documents from both parties and their authenticity!

                  Well, you cannot, Andrei, be so engaged only for the Azerbaijanis!
                  This engagement of Azerbaijanis, when prompted by the Turkish "sultan" Erdogan, who is obsessed with his Turan, can lead to a BIG war. Do you need this? I don’t.
                  1. icant007
                    icant007 8 November 2020 13: 55 New
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                    Quote: Tatiana
                    And what of it? Do you think that Armenians have no right to defend themselves against Azerbaijanis during the civil war? They have every right! And the historical and documentary way of defending one's innocence is no exception.

                    In court under the law the nationalities of the parties - the plaintiff and the defendant - do not matter at all!
                    The judge relies on documents from both parties and their authenticity!


                    Actually, I wasn't hinting about nationality. And about philosophy.
                    I am not engaged, I just understand the situation in my own way. And the Russian leadership understands it in the same way.
                    And IA Regnum is famous for its pro-Armenian position. And you too )
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 8 November 2020 14: 08 New
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                      Quote: icant007
                      Actually, I wasn't hinting about nationality. And about philosophy.
                      I am not engaged, I just understand the situation in my own way. And the Russian leadership understands it in the same way.

                      For political and other considerations, the leadership of the Russian Federation can pursue any policy, including the subjective interests of the "top" themselves and their personal environment.
                      I'm talking about the objective position of the judge, who is obliged to solve objectively and logically competently controversial issues under the law and only under the law.
                      Quote: icant007
                      And IA Regnum is famous for its pro-Armenian position. And you too )
                      I don't care about Regnum! I have my own head on my shoulders. And I assess the situation as it develops in reality and how it should be if it did not have internal logical contradictions in order to become a guide to action.
                    2. icant007
                      icant007 8 November 2020 14: 11 New
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                      Quote: Tatiana
                      I don't care about Regnum!


                      Strange, why are you quoting them so violently? )
                    3. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 8 November 2020 14: 27 New
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                      And what difference does it make to me where the TRUE facts come from? It is important to be able to independently analyze them, discard scientifically unsound and therefore not reliable arguments and logically correctly synthesize analysis with other available sources in search of truth.
                      I gave you 2 more sources as an example:
                      - One on the website of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan. "The history of Irevan" - on the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Azerbaijan you mentioned above - https://mod.gov.az/ru/istoriya-irevani-410/
                      There is no other justification for his innocence.
                      - And another. "RUSSIAN ARCHITECT ABOUT THE WAR IN KARABAKH AND THE HISTORY'S FRAMEWORK" 04.11.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX -
                      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5ee64f20790ceb6048924de4/russkii-arhitektor-o-voine-v-karabahe-i-podtasovkah-istorii-5fa2dd5ffeef0b1a8113a141
                      The approach to an objective assessment of this issue by the author as a specialist in architecture is quite scientifically sound.
                    4. icant007
                      icant007 8 November 2020 15: 08 New
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                      Quote: Tatiana
                      It is important to be able to independently analyze them, discard scientifically unsound and therefore not reliable arguments and logically correctly synthesize analysis with other available sources in search of truth.


                      That is, you have such an ability, but I do not? )
                    5. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 8 November 2020 15: 34 New
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                      Quote: icant007
                      That is, you have such an ability, but I do not? )

                      For this I have the appropriate educational training in philosophical disciplines and the corresponding practice as a scientific expert. And what is your educational background in this regard, I do not know.
                      Decide for yourself what you no longer lack - ability or education! Basically, it's not my business to decide this for you.
                    6. icant007
                      icant007 8 November 2020 16: 03 New
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                      As I understand from your scientific aplomb, you are infallible! )


                      Let's mark it)

                      But I remember Seneca saying: "I know that I know nothing."

                      Unfortunately, you do not have in-depth knowledge of the history of the conflict in the period 1988-94. This prevents you from having an objective picture.
                    7. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 8 November 2020 17: 46 New
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                      Quote: icant007
                      But I remember Seneca saying: "I know that I know nothing."

                      When solving practical problems - not up to Seneca! What is needed is a concrete, internally logically non-contradictory, scientifically consistent and unerring predictive result, which can only be taken as a guide to action.

                      And this is a great responsibility on the part of the expert for the forecast before the society and political parties. During the methodological review of political and ideological concepts, it was necessary to identify all kinds of political manipulators and block their path to power with their anti-scientific sociological ideas. And I do not regret it at all. The predictions turned out to be correct. So I don't have to be particularly shy in terms of self-confidence.
                      Quote: icant007
                      Unfortunately, you do not have in-depth knowledge of the history of the conflict in the period 1988-94. This prevents you from having an objective picture.

                      The fact is that in terms of historical documents, who should geopolitically belong to NK, this does not change anything.
                      You are guided by emotions, and I am by historical, scientifically sound logic.
                    8. icant007
                      icant007 8 November 2020 20: 50 New
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                      In this case, what was the UN guided by in 1992-94? Emotions too?
                    9. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 9 November 2020 11: 46 New
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                      What UN documents in 1992-1994 are you talking about?
                      DOCUMENT 8: Declaration of the Supreme Council of the Republic of Azerbaijan on the restoration of state independence of the Republic of Azerbaijan dated 30.8.1991 // “Baku Worker” newspaper, 3.9.1991.
                      Exposure: "The Supreme Soviet of the Azerbaijan Republic, guided by the highest state interests of the people of Azerbaijan and expressing their will, noting that from 1918 to 1920 the Azerbaijan Republic existed as an independent state recognized by the international community ... proclaims the restoration of the state independence of the Azerbaijan Republic."
                      Note The assertion of Azerbaijan's international recognition is refuted by the decision of the Fifth Committee of the Assembly of the League of Nations to reject Azerbaijan's request for admission to the League of Nations, cited above (Doc. 2).
                      DOCUMENT 9: Declaration on the proclamation of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic from 2.9.1991 // Coll. The status of Nagorno-Karabakh in political and legal documents, Yerevan, 1995, p. 69-70.
                      Exposure: “A joint session of the Nagorno-Karabakh Regional Councils of People's Deputies with the participation of deputies of Soviets at all levels, expressing the will of the people, enshrined in the actual referendum and in the decisions of the authorities of the NKAO and Shahumyan district in 1988-1991; ... noting the proclamation by the Azerbaijan Republic of "restoration of state independence in 1918-1920, ... proclaim the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic within the borders of the present Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region and the adjacent Shaumyan region, abbreviated as NKR."
                      Note The declaration refers to the refusal of Azerbaijan from the succession of the Azerbaijan SSR and the restoration of the ADR, which has not acquired actually established or recognized borders. NK in 1918-1920 was not a member of the ADR, from which follows the legal conclusion that in 1991 the NKR was proclaimed in the territories not belonging to the Azerbaijan Republic.
                      DOCUMENT 10: Constitutional Act on the State Independence of the Republic of Azerbaijan dated 18.10.1991/7.11.1991/XNUMX // “Baku Worker” newspaper, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
                      Exposure: “… On April 27-28, 1920, the RSFSR, grossly violating international legal norms,… occupied the territory of the sovereign Republic of Azerbaijan, forcibly overthrew the legally elected authorities and put an end to independence, achieved at the cost of huge sacrifices of the Azerbaijani people.
                      ... Article 2. The Azerbaijan Republic is the successor of the Azerbaijan Republic that existed from May 28 to April 1920 ”.
                      Notes
                      1. The assertion about the resumption of the centuries-old traditions of the statehood of the Azerbaijani people is devoid of factual content, since the history until the XNUMXth century is not known either to the Azerbaijani state or the Azerbaijani people.
                      2. Having proclaimed itself the successor of the ADR, the Azerbaijan Republic also lost those illegal rights in relation to NK, which the Bolsheviks gave to the Azerbaijan SSR.
                      DOCUMENT 11: Statement of the Twelve on the Future Status of Russia and Other Former Republics (Brussels, The Hague, 23.12.1991)
                      See details - https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3104048.html
                    10. icant007
                      icant007 9 November 2020 15: 30 New
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                      Quote: Tatiana
                      See details - https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3104048.html


                      Again Regnum) without comment.

                      Unfortunately, you are even more engaged than me)

                      UN Security Council Resolutions.

                      http://www.vn.kazimirov.ru/doc4.htm
                      http://www.vn.kazimirov.ru/doc5.htm
                      http://www.vn.kazimirov.ru/doc6.htm
                      http://www.vn.kazimirov.ru/doc7.htm
                    11. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 9 November 2020 16: 29 New
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                      Quote: icant007
                      Again Regnum) without comment.
                      Yes, I just offer you the same initial expert material in parts in my comments for viewing, since, as I suppose, you have not read it!
                      Thank you for the links to the UN Security Council resolution! I read it.

                      These UN Security Council resolutions do not change the CHIEF. Namely.
                      The UN in 1991 - after the collapse of the USSR - quickly recognized the new states of the Azerbaijan Republic and the Republic of Armenia within the framework of the existence of the borders of the AzSSR and the Armenian SSR, without going into the history of the ethnic conflict there, first of all, the history of the formation of the AzSSR and the Armenian SSR in 1920 - namely on the illegitimacy of the appropriation of the NK territory by the AzSSR as a result of the secret decision of a group of Bolsheviks that has no legal force, and contrary to the results of the referendum of the NK Armenians themselves, to join the Armenian SSR.

                      At the same time, the UN Security Council can write as many political resolutions as it wants with calls for peace - but they are all a CONSEQUENCE of an initially incorrect - superficial - decision on the principle of -
                      The law is like a pivot: where you turned, it went there (Russian proverb, meaning the ability to interpret the same law in different ways and make decisions on the same problem in different ways).

                      That is why Erdogan proposes, in fact, in his own Turkish revanchist interests to destroy the Armenians in the Caucasus physically to the last Armenian on the principle - "There is no man - and no problems!"
                    12. icant007
                      icant007 9 November 2020 16: 48 New
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                      Quote: Tatiana
                      Yes, I just offer you the same initial expert material in parts in my comments for viewing, since, as I suppose, you have not read it!


                      I read, but not much) Since I am not an expert in international law.
                      There are comments from independent experts on this calculation, except for Armenia. I have great respect for philosophers, but Comrade Manasyan may misinterpret this idea due to professional incompetence.

                      Quote: Tatiana
                      The law is like a pivot: where you turned, it went there (Russian proverb, meaning the ability to interpret the same law in different ways and make decisions on the same problem in different ways).


                      Thank you for the clarification) I am not Azerbaijani and I know Russian proverbs. And you apparently consider me a very narrow-minded person)


                      Quote: Tatiana
                      That is why Erdogan proposes, in fact, in his own Turkish revanchist interests to destroy the Armenians in the Caucasus physically to the last Armenian on the principle - "There is no man - and no problems!"


                      Do you really believe that?
                    13. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 9 November 2020 17: 14 New
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                      Quote: icant007
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      That is why Erdogan proposes, in fact, in his own Turkish revanchist interests to destroy the Armenians in the Caucasus physically to the last Armenian on the principle - "There is no man - and no problems!"
                      Do you really believe that?
                      Yes, Erdogan spoke about this more than once when he said that the Armenian issue of 1915 became possible, at last, to be finally closed right now. What happened in 1915? Massacre of Armenians by Turks.
                    14. icant007
                      icant007 9 November 2020 17: 22 New
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                      And you can answer me. why does Israel not recognize the 1915 genocide?
                    15. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 9 November 2020 17: 35 New
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                      And, in my opinion, Israel, apart from the genocide of Jews, generally does not recognize any genocide of other goyim peoples in principle.
                2. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 9 November 2020 17: 28 New
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                  Quote: icant007
                  There are comments from independent experts on this calculation, except for Armenia. I have great respect for philosophers, but Comrade Manasyan may misinterpret this idea due to professional incompetence.

                  I do not see Manesyan's logical and historical incompetence.
                  I will explain to you the principles of applying philosophical methods of logical construction to obtain scientifically sound conclusions on history in other words - figuratively.

                  In historical dialectical logic, everything is exactly the same as in electrical wires. Namely, I will give a figurative example.
                  For example, in your electrical network at the end of the wire (at the end of the historical period of time) a device burned out (the USSR ceased to exist) in this room from a surge in a crisis voltage drop. You need to replace this device (state) with another device. But such old devices no longer exist, and the wire itself has burned out (historical time has been lost and cannot be restored).
                  What will you do as an electrician?

                  The electrician will walk along the wire (historical time) and look for the other end, the outgoing end, until he finds the electrical wire distribution box to which the outgoing end of the wire was originally connected. And then the electrician will think about what new device the old device needs to be replaced so that both the device and the new wiring from this electrical junction box do not burn out in the very near future.

                  Likewise, in the logic of historical diamat, the principle of temporary political short-range action is used without fail in case of violation of historical continuity during revolutions, coups, etc.
                3. icant007
                  icant007 9 November 2020 17: 33 New
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                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Likewise, in the logic of historical diamat, the principle of temporary political short-range action is used without fail in case of violation of historical continuity during revolutions, coups, etc.


                  I'll write this down)

                  But I'm afraid the logic of historical diamat is inapplicable to the international legal doctrine of uti possidetis juris.
            2. icant007
              icant007 9 November 2020 17: 07 New
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              Quote: Tatiana
              Yes, I just offer you the same initial expert material in parts in my comments for viewing, since, as I suppose, you have not read it!


              For objectivity, here is the position of the Azerbaijani side:

              https://haqqin.az/news/190335
            3. Tatyana
              Tatyana 9 November 2020 19: 06 New
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              Quote: icant007
              https://haqqin.az/news/190335
              This material is more interesting and clarifies a lot.
              Meanwhile, the use of uti possidetis juris and the need to transform the former constitutional units - republics, and not autonomous regions and autonomous republics - was confirmed in practice by the Badinter Commission when considering the split of Yugoslavia and the delimitation of the territories of the six former union republics of the SFRY. The Badinter International Expert Commission in its conclusions clearly defined that only six former constitutional republics of the SFRY, and not autonomous units within these republics, have the right to secede up to the creation of an independent state within the constitutional borders of the former Soviet Yugoslavia. In the case of the USSR, one can only talk about 15 former republics, but not NKAO as part of the Republic of Azerbaijan.
              Guided by the principles and norms of international law, Azerbaijan took an absolutely objective position, offering Nagorno-Karabakh any status only in the context of the right to internal self-determination, that is, the status of autonomy.
              See details -https: //haqqin.az/news/190335
              But, firstly, after all, Aliyev ultimately refused autonomy to the Armenians of the NKR.
              And secondly, after the collapse of Yugoslavia, the autonomous province of Kosovo in the Republic of Serbia separated from Serbia and Kosovo's independence was recognized by 98 states out of 193 (50%) UN members, 22 out of 27 (81%) EU member states, 26 out of 30 (87 %) NATO member states, and 34 out of 57 (60%) member states of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC).

              Karabakh and Kosovo. The initial situation is the same, but why such a different approach ?!
              These days there is a bloody process of "liberation" of Karabakh by Azerbaijan, similar to the process of "liberation" of Kosovo by Serbia.
              However, the "international community" demanded from Serbia to stop "liberation". When Serbia refused to obey, this very community (represented by the United States and its most active henchmen) ground down civilians in Serbia hundreds of kilometers from the conflict zone with bombs. And then about half of this very community recognized the independence of Kosovo.
              The international community is silent regarding the NKR.
              Yes, Karabakh is a recognized part of Azerbaijan. Yes, there is a principle of inviolability of state borders. But in the case of Kosovo, it was said: the Kosovar Albanians wanted so much to secede, fought so hard for it, suffered so badly that we will make an exception. And Kosovo is no longer part of Serbia.
              Is the mutual hatred between Armenians and Azerbaijanis less than the mutual hatred between Albanians and Serbs?
              Why DOUBLE STANDARDS? Because Turkey is a vassal of Great Britain!
            4. icant007
              icant007 9 November 2020 19: 27 New
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              Quote: Tatiana
              Karabakh and Kosovo.
              - Double standarts.

              I agree. But the two cases would be even more similar if the United States played the same role in Karabakh as it did in Kosovo. But the US already has Armenia.

              I would like to hear the official opinion of someone from the State Department on this matter.
              I tried to study the Kosovo issue, but I haven't formed my opinion yet.
              By the way, Russia does not recognize the independence of Kosovo.
            5. Tatyana
              Tatyana 9 November 2020 20: 04 New
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              Quote: icant007
              But the US already has Armenia.

              I think so too. The Anglo-Saxons surreptitiously provided Turkey with the opportunity to strain against Russia in the Caucasus and further with its Turkish Turan
            6. icant007
              icant007 9 November 2020 20: 29 New
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              Returning to the analogy with Kosovo, I want to make one point.
              With the collapse of the USSR, all the republics signed a corresponding agreement, which implied the inviolability of borders. That is, there was a legal consensus.
              In the case of Yugoslavia, this was not the case. The republics were separated by dominoes. And the UN had no choice but to support the principle of self-determination of peoples.
              This is so in general)
            7. Tatyana
              Tatyana 9 November 2020 20: 52 New
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              Quote: icant007
              With the collapse of the USSR, all the republics signed a corresponding agreement, which implied the inviolability of borders. That is, there was a legal consensus.

              As for the signing of documents on consensus regarding the borders that existed at that time between the former National SSRs, I was also surprised to notice.
              Why is it for - without any reservations - Has the RA, having the protesting Armenians of NK in the AR, signed it ?! What was it: lack of professionalism, corruption, external management - what?

              Unfortunately, I cannot find a comment from one of the site's members, who, living at that time in those parts, described well the events of 1988 and 1994 as a witness. Maybe there he will show some kind of clarity?
            8. icant007
              icant007 9 November 2020 21: 02 New
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              I advise you to read the British author Thomas De Waal.
              Black garden. Armenia and Azerbaijan between peace and war.
              I know of no other such complex work.
              There are, of course, tales and fables, but in general the book gives a good idea of ​​the chronology of the conflict.

              https://readli.net/chitat-online/?b=166887&pg=1


              I found it amusing. for example this:

              These Armenians were very different from the Armenians from Armenia. Karabakh Armenians are highlanders renowned for their hospitality and love of drinking. They are wary of the Armenians inhabiting the plains, and they, in turn, often call them asses for their stubbornness. Plains Armenians hardly understand the juicy Karabakh dialect, where the stress falls differently, closer to the end of the word, and which is replete with Persian, Turkish and Russian words. At dinner, many guests spoke Russian, a habit acquired over the years in Soviet Azerbaijan and the result of traditional ties with Russia. In Stepanakert, someone said to me: "We, people of Karabakh, hate Armenians. We love Russians and Persians, but we hate Armenians." A joke, of course. But with a grain of truth.
  • Tatyana
    Tatyana 8 November 2020 13: 30 New
    0
    DOCUMENT 11: Statement of the "Twelve" on the future status of Russia and other former republics (Brussels, The Hague, 23.12.1991)
    Exposure: “By the decision of the European Council… On 16.12.1991 a meeting of the EU Council at the level of foreign ministers was held in Brussels… A common approach of the“ twelve ”to the issue of official recognition of new states on the territory of the Soviet Union and in Eastern Europe was determined… The following criteria for official recognition were agreed ...
    - respect for the inviolability of all borders, which cannot be changed otherwise than by peaceful means and with common consent. "
    Note The statement announced the EU conditions for the recognition of new states in the post-Soviet space. On December 21.12.1991, 11, at a meeting in Alma-Ata, the leaders of XNUMX republics, including Armenia and Azerbaijan, agreed to it. The EU did not elaborate on the legal basis for the condition presented. Only later did legal scholars agree that the new states were recognized according to the principle of Uti possidetis, according to which the territories and borders that they had before were recognized for the states gaining independence. But this condition turns out to be inapplicable to AR. The AR, which had abandoned the succession of the AzSSR the day before, lost its legal relations with Nakhichevan and Nagorno-Karabakh, forcibly included in the AzSSR. At the time of the adoption of the declaration, Baku had neither political nor administrative control over Nagorno-Karabakh. He did not own Nagorno-Karabakh, as it was supposed by the principle of Uti possidetis.
    Postscript:
    Recognition of Azerbaijan with territories that do not legally belong to it was understood in Baku as the right to continue the genocidal policy, which it adhered to in implicit and explicit forms throughout the Soviet years. Nowadays, the conflict settlement is driven into a dead end of the contradiction, false for this case, between the principles of self-determination of peoples and the territorial integrity of states. The right of self-determination of the NK people has been recognized many times (see Docs. 2 and 7), including by Baku itself. The principle of territorial integrity is not applicable to Azerbaijan due to the current Treaty of Kars of 1921 and the absence of grounds for Azerbaijan's sovereignty over NK.
    See details - https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3104048.html

    I completely agree with Zhirinovsky on Turkey's destructive policy in the international arena and in Azerbaijan too!

    Zhirinovsky about the fate of Erdogan and the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Why does Turkey need Karabakh? • 17 Oct. Feb 2020
    1. icant007
      icant007 8 November 2020 14: 04 New
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      Quote: Tatiana
      I completely agree with Zhirinovsky on Turkey's destructive policy in the international arena and in Azerbaijan too!



      Let us nevertheless separate the issue of Karabakh and neo-Ottomanism.
      The fact that Turkey is using the conflict for its own purposes, I do not argue.
      But if the Karabakh problem had not been resolved earlier, then Turkey would not have been able to use this lever to strengthen its influence.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 8 November 2020 14: 44 New
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        Quote: icant007
        But if the Karabakh problem had not been resolved earlier, then Turkey would not have been able to use this lever to strengthen its influence.

        In this case, it was Aliyev, in his striving to stay in power in Azerbaijan at any cost before the upcoming presidential elections in order to fight off the Azerbaijani Natsiks, lay down a puppet under Erdogan and thereby geopolitically surrendered Azerbaijan to Turkey in the form of its future colony on the way to the formation of Erdogan's Turan ... With all the ensuing consequences for both Azerbaijan and Russia.
      2. icant007
        icant007 8 November 2020 14: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Tatiana
        In this case, it was Aliyev, in his striving to stay in power in the Azerbaijan Republic at any cost before the upcoming presidential elections in order to fight off the Azerbaijani Natsiks, lay down a puppet under Erdogan and thereby geopolitically surrendered Azerbaijan to Turkey


        I see you in the discussion of the issue, do you leave Armenia in brackets at all?
        My opinion, the reason you indicated is possible and takes place, but it is at the very end.
      3. Tatyana
        Tatyana 8 November 2020 15: 46 New
        0
        Quote: icant007
        Quote: Tatiana
        In this case, it was Aliyev, in his striving to stay in power in the Azerbaijan Republic at any cost before the upcoming presidential elections in order to fight off the Azerbaijani Natsiks, lay down a puppet under Erdogan and thereby geopolitically surrendered Azerbaijan to Turkey
        I see you in the discussion of the issue, do you leave Armenia in brackets at all?
        My opinion, the reason you indicated is possible and takes place, but stands at the very end.

        Right.
        And if you untwist this tangle of historical interethnic contradictions by a thread, then you just need to start from this very end, since it lies on the surface, answering the question - why is this geopolitical aggravation happening right now? Who benefits from this?
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 9 November 2020 08: 49 New
    0
    Because of a few unfortunate villages, to shed so much blood of ordinary people? I do not understand .... stupidity, stupidity and Asiaticism.
  • Stock
    Stock 7 November 2020 14: 29 New
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    Tatyana, with all due respect, please temper your ardor and have respect for the president of a neighboring country. There is a war going on, so no one will inform you about the real state of affairs. This applies to both sides. If you want relatively reliable information, learn to read between the lines and analyze the data
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 7 November 2020 14: 34 New
      -7
      Quote: Stock
      If you want relatively reliable information, learn to read between the lines and analyze the data

      And I analyze the data on the statements of Erdogan himself and the RF Ministry of Defense, as well as Naryshkin.
      What do not you like? Don't you like it?
      Why should I think of Aliyev better than he really is? Just because he is your president? Today about the president, and tomorrow not at all.

      Besides, following your logic, should we respect Hitler too?

      Your Aliyev, incapable of negotiating peace, behind whom is Erdogan!
      1. Stock
        Stock 7 November 2020 14: 40 New
        +4
        Whose truth? It is different for everyone. Such a time. Neither Erdogan, nor Aliyev, nor Naryshkin and no one else will tell you the whole truth. Not because they are liars, they represent the interests of their state. Therefore, it is not necessary for all Russians to unfoundedly believe everything that Naryshkin says, the same applies to Armenians and Azerbaijanis, respectively, regarding their leadership
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 7 November 2020 14: 46 New
          -3
          Quote: Stock
          Therefore, it is not necessary for all Russians to unfoundedly believe everything that Naryshkin says, the same applies to Armenians and Azerbaijanis, respectively, regarding their leadership

          You trust your leadership, why shouldn't the Russians trust their leadership? Yes, and your Aliyev, in the end, recognized the same thing - Turkey's participation in the conflict!
          It is illogical on your part.
          Quote: Stock
          Not because they are liars, they represent the interests of their state.
          Is it correct how Goebbels defended the interests of the Third Reich?

          Small lies always give rise to BIG mistrust!
          1. Stock
            Stock 7 November 2020 14: 53 New
            +3
            Firstly, this is not my guide, and secondly, Tatiana, finally please read what I am writing about. You can and should trust, but you should not believe everything you say.
          2. MTN
            MTN 7 November 2020 16: 14 New
            +6
            Quote: Tatiana
            It is illogical on your part.

            It is not logical for you to sit on this site, because not only do you not know politics, but even basic military tricks. Now there is a war, do you think someone will tell the truth? Each country has its own skeleton in the closet. This does not surprise me, but your fierce belief in WarGonzo, your fierce belief that Azerbaijanis are Turks are enemies, you clearly have a one-sided look. I do not want to talk about the Russian government, but I will tell you the following. Do you believe the US Twin Towers were destroyed by Muslims? Who were able to throw the US air defense and also were able to throw the CIA? There are also countries that advertise their tank (suppose) they say they have invented a new tank, say the T-100. If the military shows the T-100 openly and at the same time they say this new ... powerful and so on ... know that they have a T-110 tank ready in their development department. What is the army, go to any car production plant and ask to be shown a new Mercedes or Ferrari? You will be sent and sent beautifully. Further war. Do you think Aliyev will tell the whole world that Azeri troops have taken point A and now they are moving to take point B. Will you believe? I personally don't. I will understand that point B is not the second goal.

            Quote: Tatiana
            Small lies always give rise to BIG mistrust!

            I would say this, considering how you support the Armenians, taking into account who they heroize and whom they are erecting the monument to, it means that they are followers of Joseph Goebbels, and taking into account those media workers who are inspired by the Armenians, they follow the above manual. I will give examples

            1. - and “the more monstrous the lie, the more willingly they believe in it” and the faster it spreads; (The Armenian Genocide, a million Armenians died, while there are no burial places.Azerbaijanis cut their heads, Militants, Phosphorus, and so on)

            2. - any means are good to achieve this goal, the main thing is that the propaganda is effective; (An Armenian article about the fact that by any means it is necessary to make sure that Russia is involved in the war with Azerbaijan, this is not the time for sentiment, any options, any method) I posted this article here a couple of days ago.

            3. - accordingly, in addition to “white”, truthful information, it is necessary to use “gray”, that is, half-truth, and “black” - an outright lie: “we are not trying to achieve the truth, but the effect”; (Pashinyan - asks the whole world to RECOGNIZE SALVATION IN THE NAME) puts pressure on Christianity and genocide. Pity of the Christian world and hostility to Muslims.

            4. - and so that the crowd does not have doubts, the "messages" should be primitive, without details, at the level of a monosyllabic slogan: "the worst enemy of propaganda is intellectualism" (That is, to shout to the whole world that the Armenian army is already drinking tea in Baku, everyone Armenian soldiers are alive and well ... any word of Armenians NO LOSS, but without facts and also accusations towards Azerbaijan, basically it has no facts)

            5. A lie repeated a thousand times becomes true. ... (First Christians, genocide, Armenian brandy, ancient, great Armenia, invincible spirit, Azerbaijanis from Altai, and so on)

            6. - in other words, “propaganda should affect the feelings more than the mind,” and therefore be bright, catchy; (Early Christians, barbarians Muslims kill Christians, genocide, early Christians, genocide, early Christians)

            7.- for the best assimilation of the message "we are obliged to speak in a language understandable to the people", and even in different languages ​​- one for the capital, the other for the province, one for the workers, the other for the employees; (Lobby in Russia, Lobby in the USA, lobby in Europe, lobby in Latin America, Argentina, by the way, the second homeland of the fascists ALSO.)

            That's it.
            1. bayard
              bayard 7 November 2020 19: 58 New
              +1
              Especially ridiculous for a knowledgeable person is the thesis that Armenians are not just "Christians", but also ... "Orthodox"! lol
              And these are those whose church was condemned at the FIRST Ecumenical Council in Nicaea !!!
              And betrayed ANATHEMA !!!
              For monophysical heresy!
              Their church is monophysical!
              And they have been under ANATHEMA for many centuries!
              And they did not repent. yes
              Therefore, all their attempts to call for "Christian solidarity" ... at least are blasphemy.

              Well, and a war is a war. She has her own laws and her fronts. Including the information and ideological front. And it is very good that Russia did not fall for the Armenian howls.

              At the same time, the presence of militants from Syria is a red line for Russia.
              And it is a great pity that the Azerbaijani authorities have chosen this path.
              Moreover, according to the latest information, Arab militants are now being hastily replaced with people from the Caucasus, including the North. These are al-Qaeda and ISIS militants, patronized by Turkey ...
              And THIS fact may have a most detrimental effect on the relations between Russia and Azerbaijan.
              This is serious .
              Very seriously .
              The actions of Azerbaijan in this conflict must be IMPROPER. Only then the carte blanche they received to resolve the Karabakh issue will lead to the long-awaited peace with a JUST outcome.
              These are not small things.
              And this must be fixed IMMEDIATELY.
        2. Livonetc
          Livonetc 7 November 2020 15: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Stock
          Whose truth? It is different for everyone. Such a time. Neither Erdogan, nor Aliyev, nor Naryshkin and no one else will tell you the whole truth. Not because they are liars, they represent the interests of their state. Therefore, it is not necessary for all Russians to unfoundedly believe everything that Naryshkin says, the same applies to Armenians and Azerbaijanis, respectively, regarding their leadership

          How high you have raised Naryshkin in the table of ranks.
          Or Erdogan and Aliyev were lowered.
          1. Stock
            Stock 7 November 2020 15: 05 New
            +2
            And the phrase "nobody else" in my post you certainly did not notice or did not want to notice
      2. Renator
        Renator 7 November 2020 15: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Tatiana
        And I am analyzing the data on the statements of Erdogan himself

        Do you know perfect Turkish?
        Quote: Tatiana
        Your Aliyev, incapable of negotiating peace, behind whom is Erdogan!

        Did you just write the truth or did it seem like hysteria?
      3. VyacheSeymour
        VyacheSeymour 7 November 2020 18: 52 New
        0
        Why should I think of Aliyev better than he really is?

        My grandfather began serving as the head of the outpost in Julfa, passed the Soviet-Iranian border to Astara ... I found the Patriotic War in Kushka, finished in a hospital near Badapest ... - in a word, he saw enough of different peoples and their features ... So he told me ; - "Remember Slavik, - if an Armenian scolds something, it means that he does not have it ... - Well, if there is something worse than yours.
        There is only one conclusion from your words Tatiana - the Azerbaijanis were lucky with the president, but the Armenians ...
        PS
        He also said: “If an Armenian praises you, then you will certainly have something, or he will ask you for something ...
        1. MTN
          MTN 7 November 2020 19: 56 New
          -2
          Quote: VyacheSeymour
          Remember Slavik

          Slavik, did you happen to study at school 264?
          1. VyacheSeymour
            VyacheSeymour 7 November 2020 20: 38 New
            0
            did you happen to study at school 264?

            Accidentally not, - in the 61st ... But before that in the 21st Grozny ...
        2. Rubina
          Rubina 7 November 2020 20: 27 New
          -1
          Thanks for the truth. An interesting and true story
    2. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 7 November 2020 15: 55 New
      +3
      There is a war going on, so no one will inform you about the real state of affairs. This applies to both sides.

      Quite right! This also applies to the published video from the liberated territories (which is not interesting for anyone to discuss). And I absolutely do not understand what, in fact, this reportage is about? They showed some kind of checkpoint, a "wounded" Shilka, a rag on the ground, but where are the liberated territories, where are 16 villages? Such "broadcasts", after loud statements, cause nothing but skepticism.
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 14: 31 New
    -1
    Aliyev is the most decent, intelligent President of our time, and he is a free President of a free country. Do not throw dirt at him, he won’t stick. Where will you find such a President who has managed to maintain normal relations with almost all countries in such a difficult moment for the country? You want to belittle your ego's diplomatic skill, but you won't succeed.
    1. ANB
      ANB 7 November 2020 14: 45 New
      +4
      ... Aliyev is the most decent, intelligent President of our time,

      Well, what about of You are bent. But if you compare only Armenia and Azerbaijan, then you are right.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 15: 07 New
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        You bent, comparing him with a clown in Armenia. Pashinyan does not count, compare with others, with presidents having weight as a politician-personality. The personal qualities of a politician, as we know, do not depend on the number, size of the country, etc. This is another dimension.
        1. ANB
          ANB 7 November 2020 15: 20 New
          +1
          ... You bent, comparing him to a clown in Armenia.

          We add Erdogan, Trump, Biden, Merkel, Johnson to the list (the last 2 are not presidents, but heads of government).
          Among them - yes, Aliyev is the most. But there are others in the world.
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 15: 42 New
            +2
            Already well, you are going right, but you didn’t go all the way. Well, okay, thanks for that)
          2. MTN
            MTN 7 November 2020 16: 26 New
            -1
            Quote: ANB
            Among them - yes, Aliyev is the most. But there are others in the world.

            Ilham Aliyev, graduated from the Moscow School of MGIMO, also taught there. In Azerbaijan, 90% of children after school study individually, additionally with teachers. There are 6 items. Ilham Aliyev grew up in an intelligent family. Mom is a doctor, dad is a shoulder strap, and even the KGB, and since childhood he studied well and because of his dad's work, he knew with whom and what to say and what not to say! He is the son of a legendary father, who was voted the most in the world in 2000. You can google it. So, he also has recommendations from his dad for the future. Speaks 3 languages ​​fluently. So in diplomacy, he fumbles better than the above used list. Therefore, I ask you never to compare our president with anyone else. To put it bluntly, and Serzh Sargsyan at all the debates culturally put in place, with his knowledge of international law and diplomacy. He also broke Pashinyan in the debates. You can take a look. Even journalists from the West, when they ask him provocative questions, he leaves them with dignity.
            1. ANB
              ANB 7 November 2020 16: 42 New
              -1
              ... Ilham Aliyev, graduated from the Moscow School of MGIMO,

              Not a school, but simply MGIMO. And graduate school there.
              Let's agree that Ilham Aliyev is one of the best presidents.
              And let's not press on the fact that he is the most.
              Otherwise, I'll find better examples. :)
              1. MTN
                MTN 7 November 2020 17: 50 New
                -3
                Quote: ANB
                And let's not press on the fact that he is the most.
                Otherwise, I'll find better examples. :)

                I indicated in Azerbaijan and for Azerbaijanis. I see no other examples.

                Best regards
                1. ANB
                  ANB 7 November 2020 17: 57 New
                  0
                  ... I indicated in Azerbaijan and for Azerbaijanis.

                  But I completely agree with this.
                  I would also add that for Russians in Azerbaijan and in Russia.
            2. Kerensky
              Kerensky 7 November 2020 23: 51 New
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              dad's shoulder straps and even the KGB, and he studied well from childhood and because of the work of his dad, he knew with whom and what to say and what not to say! He is the son of a legendary father, who was voted the most in the world in 2000.

              Well, as they say: nature rests on the children of great parents.
              Don't swear - I'm talking about my boobies.
              And native Muscovites are better than others only because their parents moved to Moscow before they were born ...
              dad's shoulder straps and even the KGB and he studied well from childhood and because of the work of his dad

              Exactly!
              "Do you want your children to be excellent students and geniuses? Get a second clearance in the Office!"
              Let's really evaluate a person by his deeds, and not by mighty ancestors.
              My brother is 14 years younger than me. In a tourist club, he sleeps on a bench while the rest of the knots are knitted, at the climbing wall they are engaged, - "Why ?! I am Kerensky's own brother !!" AND? Will it help you in the mountains ?!
              Why did I go for this maxim? Aliyev is not a bad person. Not even the right word - good. But focusing on ancestors, as it were, belittling the personality itself ...
    2. Tatyana
      Tatyana 7 November 2020 14: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Oquzyurd
      Aliyev is the most decent, intelligent President of our time, and he is a free President of a free country.

      With which I congratulate you!
      Quote: Oquzyurd
      Where will you find such a President who has managed to maintain normal relations with almost all countries at such a difficult moment for the country? You want to belittle your ego's diplomatic skill, but you won't succeed.
      Tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are!
      1. MTN
        MTN 7 November 2020 16: 27 New
        -5
        Quote: Tatiana
        Tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are!

        should I consider you friends of Armenians?
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 7 November 2020 16: 54 New
          0
          Quote: MTN
          should I consider you friends of Armenians?

          Well, don't consider me as friends of Erdogan himself with his Turan, as you are with your Aliyev!
          1. MTN
            MTN 7 November 2020 17: 50 New
            -7
            Quote: Tatiana
            Well, don't consider me as friends of Erdogan himself with his Turan, as you are with your Aliyev!

            I knew it. So I take your accusations against Turkey and the Turks in general as a compliment.

            Good luck.
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 November 2020 15: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Oquzyurd
      Aliyev is the most decent, intelligent President of our time

      Yes, we remember:
      "- I really love PZ!
      - And I have even more ku! "(C)
      Are you a full-time paycheck sneak? Or just a free adorer of your sun?
      Now local putinoidy about "the very" will be offended.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 15: 13 New
        -4
        I am a simple person, and there is no self-interest. Long years of observation and knowledge of Aliyev's actions gives me reason to say so. So go by, do not compare others with your character.
      2. MTN
        MTN 7 November 2020 16: 31 New
        -3
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Are you a full-time paycheck sneak? Or just a free adorer of your sun?

        Wouldn't it bother you that a stranger is insulting your president? It hurts me personally. He is our president and no one except us has the right to say anything about our president. Yes, and we perfectly remember the 90s when the country was without a master, you also know what happened. So, Ilham Aliyev is the candidate who has no analogue in Azerbaijan. I do not know who can compare with him in Azerbaijan. My own mother (pensioner) always says for him that he is a man and wishes him health from God. She, too, does not accept money from him and that we are all sycophants? Have you tried to respect the president?
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 November 2020 17: 17 New
          -4
          ... Wouldn't it bother you that a stranger is insulting your president?

          Absolutely. And I certainly would not, as a counterargument, sip on snot with syrup 'he is the greatest! the wisest! indispensable! hands off! .. blah blah blah ... '
          ... Have you tried to respect the president?

          Twenty years ago he made an effort. Did not work out. Why the hell would he have my respect? He has a crowd of brainwashed lackeys, trained by the media, and the most "advanced" electoral system.
          ... So, Ilham Aliyev is the candidate who has no analogue in Azerbaijan. I do not know who can compare with him in Azerbaijan.

          The familiar pompous whine of 'if not him, then who ??' Yes, you know better, of course, whose ass to kiss. Good luck in this business, which is absolutely pleasant for you ..
        2. Alexander Kopychev
          Alexander Kopychev 7 November 2020 18: 04 New
          +3
          "... Will be ... Well .., make up and kiss ..! Parashka! Give me the swords ..." (A.S. Pushkin)
        3. Kerensky
          Kerensky 8 November 2020 00: 06 New
          +1
          He is our president and no one except us has the right to say anything about our president

          Oh how! Bad move. The President is like the face of the country. You chose him and put him forward (for some reason I don't see the Armenian president).
          And if you specifically decided what exactly I have no right to say anything (it doesn't matter here, blasphemy or praise) about him....
          Hmm! I won't ...
          I hope you are not the president? Then you are a fig propagandon! It is necessary to comprehend this science, for for the Fatherland I am exceedingly beneficial.
        4. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 8 November 2020 01: 11 New
          0
          So he himself actually insulted our president just now and they don't care about Russia, and very few people consider such Russians.
    4. nobody75
      nobody75 7 November 2020 15: 07 New
      0
      Wouldn't "Taiwanchik" be better than Aliyev, the younger?
      With respect.
    5. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 7 November 2020 15: 09 New
      +4
      and he's a free President of a free country

      And so you say, otherwise the boss will be sawed off in some underground ... laughing

      Aliyev is the most decent, intelligent President of our time

      And past and future and up to the orbit of Mars! wassat

      You want to belittle your ego's diplomatic skill, but you won't succeed.

      In general, I agree that you need to have an ocean of skills to become the Chief Ibrik of the Sultan. A very honorable position in the Ottoman Empire, by the way ...
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 15: 16 New
        -6
        Ethno, loss jarring? Get used to it
      2. Renator
        Renator 7 November 2020 15: 36 New
        -4
        [quote = Keyser Soze] And so you say, otherwise the boss will be sawed off in some underground ... [/ quote]

        Are you serious?
        [quote = Keyser Soze] And past and future and up to the orbit of Mars! [/ quote]

        Maybe before you?

        [quote] You want to belittle your ego's diplomatic skill, but you won't succeed. [/ quote]
        Generally, I agree that you need to have an ocean of skills to become the Chief Ibrik of the Sultan. A very honorable position in the Ottoman Empire, by the way ... [/ quote]

        Come on, chicken is not a bird! How does Volen Siderov live there? wink
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 7 November 2020 15: 47 New
          +1
          Come on, chicken is not a bird! How does Volen Siderov live there?


          Metin .... you are the chief of these propaganda geniuses, what are they hanging around here? Have you invited a decently educated Bulgarian Turk to add a little intelligence to the training manuals? laughing

          Fire these brethren and send them to the front. Of these, you cannot make boards for a pigsty, as they say here. bully
          1. Renator
            Renator 7 November 2020 16: 26 New
            0
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            Metin .... you are the chief of these propaganda geniuses, what are they hanging around here?

            Okay, I'll write to Eugene! Are you on a grape or mastic today? For me, a grape is better! wink
            If in fact you are a Bulgarian by ethnicity, it seems to me that you should carefully write about the Turks! Omraza will not bring anything good winked
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 7 November 2020 17: 32 New
              +2
              If in fact you are a Bulgarian by ethnicity, it seems to me that you should carefully write about the Turks! Omraza will not bring anything good


              No disgust, Metin. All Bulgarian citizens are from Turks ethnos, koito for cognition, and te sa a lot, sa in българи from many българи. And how will the army be in the balgarskat army, and will defend the fatherland that I will fight with Turkey.

              And so as not to be unfounded, there are thousands of testimonies about the heroic participation of the Bulgarian Turks in the Bulgarian army, in the wars against Turkey, starting from 1912 onwards. So don’t touch the Bulgarian Turks, those who remained loyal to their homeland. And to others - success in their new homeland.

              And when the Turks return to the policy of zero problems, with all neighbors and the principles of Ataturk, then we will be able to talk about good relations.
              1. Renator
                Renator 7 November 2020 17: 48 New
                -5
                [quote = Keyser Soze] And so as not to be unfounded, there are thousands of testimonies about the heroic participation of the Bulgarian Turks in the Bulgarian army, in the wars against Turkey, starting from 1912 onwards [/ quote
                The Turks did not serve in the rare troops. Maybe there are several traitors, I can’t say anything, but I think they are very few! As for the homeland, sooner or later it will return back as Crimea returned. Turks multiply, and you are dying out is a fact!
                1. Keyser soze
                  Keyser soze 7 November 2020 20: 25 New
                  +1
                  As for the homeland, sooner or later she will return


                  Nyeee ... we will help the Greeks return Constantinople. Last time we stopped 30 km away. Now let's stop in Anatolia :) The sick man of Europe must be completely destroyed drinks
                2. Renator
                  Renator 7 November 2020 21: 04 New
                  0
                  The sick man of Europe must be completely destroyed
                  Good sarcasm good
                3. Renator
                  Renator 7 November 2020 23: 47 New
                  0
                  Quote: Keyser Soze
                  Nyeee ... we will help the Greeks return Constantinople.

                  Evgeny, and for your sarcasm, Grozdov owed you a debt. wink
        2. MTN
          MTN 7 November 2020 16: 33 New
          -7
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          Fire these brethren and send them to the front.

          You don't need to tell us what to do, then you won't hear where we sent you. I personally do not know more than one Azerbaijani here, although it is possible that we live in one country. So don't write nonsense here.
        3. Pavlos Melas
          Pavlos Melas 7 November 2020 17: 06 New
          +1
          Fire these brethren and send them to the front. Of these, you cannot make boards for a pigsty, as they say here.


          1. Renator
            Renator 7 November 2020 17: 24 New
            -4
            Quote: Pavlos Melas
            Pavlos Melas (Nikos)
            Today, 17: 06

            As I understand you are Pontic Greek, not Elin and you know Turkish!
            1. Pavlos Melas
              Pavlos Melas 7 November 2020 17: 28 New
              +3
              As I understand you are Pontic Greek, not Elin and you know Turkish!
              So, about the Hellene or not, ak Koyunlu is not Azeri or Kara Koyunlu is not Azeri? As for whether I know Turkish or not, what difference does it make to English that it makes a difference?
              1. Renator
                Renator 7 November 2020 17: 56 New
                -5
                Quote: Pavlos Melas
                As for whether I know Turkish or not, what difference does it make to English that it makes a difference?

                Do you miss Turkey and can't refuse the language? Do you know what Greek is? wink
              2. Pavlos Melas
                Pavlos Melas 7 November 2020 18: 04 New
                +3
                Do you know what Greek is? wink
                If you want to talk to me in Greek, it would be nice, but the language of the forum is Russian.
                Do you miss Turkey and can't refuse the language?

                Any language, even Turkish, is a plus in the worldview, and in general, the language of the alleged enemy must be known wink
              3. Renator
                Renator 7 November 2020 18: 06 New
                -3
                Quote: Pavlos Melas
                Any language, even Turkish, is a plus in the worldview, and in general, the language of the alleged enemy must be known

                Aferin sana! Well done! laughingThe east of Greece does not look at Turkey as an enemy, what can you say to that wink
              4. Pavlos Melas
                Pavlos Melas 7 November 2020 18: 54 New
                +3
                Quote: Renator
                Quote: Pavlos Melas
                Any language, even Turkish, is a plus in the worldview, and in general, the language of the alleged enemy must be known

                Aferin sana! Well done! laughingThe east of Greece does not look at Turkey as an enemy, what can you say to that wink

                On this I will say that you are hinting at the Muslim minority. Come to free Thrace and chat, see who and what thinks. We have hospitable people, only legally cross the border hi
              5. Renator
                Renator 7 November 2020 20: 22 New
                +1
                we are hospitable people, only legally crossed the border laughing wink hi
              6. Pavlos Melas
                Pavlos Melas 7 November 2020 21: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: Renator
                we are hospitable people, only legally crossed the border laughing wink hi

                Well, not a legal guest is worse than someone else ... let's be politically correct hi
              7. Renator
                Renator 7 November 2020 23: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: Pavlos Melas
                Well, not a legal guest is worse than someone else ... let's be politically correct

                In the spring I was in Xanthi and Porto Lagos, or rather at the end of February! Ouzo could not drink for that fish was
  • Rubina
    Rubina 7 November 2020 20: 35 New
    0
    Ak Koyunlu and Kara Koyunlu are the same as Drevlyans, Polyans, Smolyans or Angles, Saxons, Jutes or Franks, Burgundians - which one you like best
  • Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 7 November 2020 21: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: Rubina
    Ak Koyunlu and Kara Koyunlu are the same as Drevlyans, Polyans, Smolyans or Angles, Saxons, Jutes or Franks, Burgundians - which one you like best

    Thanks for the clarification, but I wrote this in response to this:
    As I understand you are Pontic Greek, not Elin and you know Turkish!
  • Bakinec
    Bakinec 7 November 2020 14: 34 New
    +2
    In each of your comments Erdogan. This already looks like schizophrenia.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 7 November 2020 15: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Bakinec
      In each of your comments Erdogan. This already looks like schizophrenia.

      And it is ugly for you to be ungrateful to Erdogan for his help in the war in NK and point-blank to not recognize 2/3 of his contribution to your victory!
      1. Stock
        Stock 7 November 2020 15: 22 New
        -4
        Everybody stop arguing Ashot !!!
      2. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 15: 35 New
        -3
        Your goal is to belittle the merits of the country, soldiers and officers, and the population of Azerbaijan as a whole. I understand, like, the Armenians would have dealt with us "one-on-one," right? Just after 30 years, they remained with us one-on-one. Both the Turkish state and the people of this country support us, morally and politically. And we bought weapons from them, since there is money, they trained our officers. This is natural, since the majority of the population of Turkey and Azerbaijan is Oghuz Turks. We are, to put it mildly , would be very surprised if they did not support us. Azerbaijan also supports them and will support them. This is natural.
        1. Grits
          Grits 7 November 2020 15: 55 New
          +8
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          Both the Turkish state and the people of this country support us, morally and politically. And we bought weapons from them, fortunately there is money, they trained our officers. This is natural, since the majority of the population of Turkey and Azerbaijan is Oghuz Turks. We, to put it mildly , would be very surprised if they did not support us

          You can be proud of it - you will be among the first colony, which voluntarily and with joyful shouts became part of the new Ottoman Empire. With Afrin, Idlib and Libya, the Turks did not succeed voluntarily.
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 16: 02 New
            +1
            1.Azerbaijan is a country, not the tribes of northern Syria and Libya. 2.Turks are our relatives, but nevertheless we are two countries with our own interests, sometimes different (for example, relations with Israel). 3.If you don’t understand all this, it’s difficult will explain something to you.
            1. Grits
              Grits 7 November 2020 16: 25 New
              +4
              Quote: Oquzyurd
              1.Azerbaijan is a country, not the tribes of northern Syria and Libya.

              You forget that Syria and Libya are not tribes either. And they were quite flourishing countries no worse than Azerbaijan. By the way, your favorite relatives put their hand in the collapse of one of these flourishing countries. Are you sure that they will treat you on an equal footing in the future, and not as a second-class population of their new colony?
              1. Rubina
                Rubina 7 November 2020 16: 37 New
                -1
                Don't be fancy, we can read too. In Syria, Erdogan intervened when the war approached his borders and refugees flooded
                1. Grits
                  Grits 8 November 2020 07: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Rubina
                  Don't be fancy, we can read too. In Syria, Erdogan intervened when the war approached his borders and refugees flooded

                  Did the columns of oil carriers with stolen Syrian oil reach Turkey after the war? Or maybe there were no oil tankers and they were annihilated before the Turkish border?
                  You will also say that Erdogan, such a sweetheart, brought peace and order to Syria. Together with free bread.
        2. MTN
          MTN 7 November 2020 17: 04 New
          -1
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          Your goal is to belittle the merits of the country, soldiers and officers, and the population of Azerbaijan as a whole. I understand, like, the Armenians would cope with us "one on one", right?

          This is Armenian propaganda, the mantra is prepared in advance as with genocide (passed and eaten material), but this time they did not take into account 2 things. Documentation and internet and neutral sources. Without the myth of invincibility with an ancient spirit, they are not. They have nothing else. Accordingly, the mantra is prepared. At the same time, they are silent about their mercenaries from around the world. For them, and Kurds and Arabs from Syria and Lebanon. For them, even fanatics are Christians from different nationalities, but we are not afraid. We'll send everyone to hell. The only thing that grieves me is the relatives of the Armenians, whom they do not take away from our occupied territories. They are especially left in our mosques.
      3. MTN
        MTN 7 November 2020 17: 00 New
        -4
        Quote: Tatiana
        And it's ugly for you to be ungrateful to Erdogan for his help in the war in NK

        And where did you get the idea that we are not grateful? We are also very grateful to Russia for the excellent weapon. MSTA, Tornado, Grad, with all this we perfectly destroy our enemies in Karabakh. I am already silent about tanks, machine guns, sniper weapons, and so on ...
      4. Bakinec
        Bakinec 7 November 2020 17: 33 New
        -3
        We are grateful to all heads of government who understood and supported us in our rightful cause. Including the Russian government, which, despite all the efforts of provocateurs like you, did not intervene in the conflict and did not quarrel with Azerbaijan for the sake of armenian ambitions
  • vlad.baryatinsky
    vlad.baryatinsky 7 November 2020 15: 31 New
    0
    Hello Sweetheart! (if you do not mind)?
    Quote: Tatiana
    Well, how can you respect the liar Aliyev after that ?!

    Just bring an eyebrow, your fans will "throw" it to your Magnificent legs at once!
    In what way did this husband deceive the Noble Lady? (you).
    Quote: Tatiana
    Is he out of business at all as the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Azerbaijan ?!

    In fact, Commander-in-Chief.
    But it develops and plans, the General Staff of Azerbaijan!
    It translates into reality, military units directly involved in the implementation of the BR.
    The President sets tasks, so to speak, at the global level in relation to this situation.
    On the vskidku.
    Raise the Flag of Azerbaijan over the ancient fortress Shusha by November 9th.
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 14: 21 New
    -3
    And so it remains only to grumble enviably, arrogantly, like saying something clever, but even such people understand everything that happens ...
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  • Machito
    Machito 7 November 2020 14: 09 New
    +9
    Yes, do they need these bazaars? They trade in Moscow. There is more gesheft.
    There are no local residents left. So they cleaned up rather than released.
    1. three
      three 7 November 2020 14: 18 New
      -6
      That's it ... If this is not interesting for them (here one in the restaurant calmed down (too loudly from YouTube videos were broadcast from Karabakh)), then they do not go to war, they are waiting for the Russians, as usual ... (as .did not fight (previously ordered the duty officer to send the outfit quickly ...)
      1. Machito
        Machito 7 November 2020 15: 01 New
        +5
        Quote: tros
        That's it ... If this is not interesting for them (here one in the restaurant calmed down (too loudly from YouTube videos were broadcast from Karabakh)), then they do not go to war, they are waiting for the Russians, as usual ... (as .did not fight (previously ordered the duty officer to send the outfit quickly ...)

        And they have no time to fight. Moscow is full of Armenians and Azerbaijanis. They don't go to war, but shirts are torn to the navel at the breasts. Heroes.
        1. three
          three 7 November 2020 15: 26 New
          -1
          and who else is to blame for them, inquire? They have a war because of their age-old squabbles, they themselves eat - they drink in our country or in Marseilles, but the Russians are to blame - they are not in the war, the soldiers are in no hurry to separate the fighting warriors of the world, they don’t give money ...
          1. MTN
            MTN 7 November 2020 17: 05 New
            -7
            Quote: tros
            They have a war because of

            You got too many words. The whole bazaar from Maragha-150 in short.
        2. aleks_29296
          aleks_29296 7 November 2020 17: 00 New
          0
          And ask the question, why are they full? Is it not our corrupt ones who let them into power and business?
          1. three
            three 7 November 2020 17: 27 New
            0
            No problem ! Let them work, trade, but to start shouting something and pumping some "their" rights is too much, here it is necessary to change the legislation - Deportation from the Russian Federation (we will not get poorer by a couple of thousand tickets to Baku-Yerevan), followed by a ban on years for ten...
            1. MTN
              MTN 7 November 2020 19: 22 New
              -2
              Quote: tros
              we won't get poorer by a couple thousand tickets to baku

              Should we send the Russians out too?
              1. three
                three 7 November 2020 20: 17 New
                0
                Yes, you have survived them for a long time. Tell how an aunt in Kazakhstan in 91 was evicted from a neat brick house (a former German settlement) with two children for two boxes of vodka? Give me a phone number? You will hear a lot about non-Russians ... There are thousands of such stories, but we are Russians, we are "good", it is not worth talking about this ...
  • denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 7 November 2020 15: 07 New
    +5
    Quote: Theodore
    Well, 16 villages are not many bazaars! There won't be much room for Azerbaijanis to turn around in the markets!


    These villages were abandoned 30 years ago, not inhabited, destroyed. And they have nothing to do with Artsakh: the buffer zone. And some of them are already mentioned as liberated for the second and third time. Hooray!
    1. Rubina
      Rubina 7 November 2020 20: 45 New
      -2
      Karabakh is a mountainous country. There, Azerbaijanis have long been engaged in cattle breeding. In the summer they went to the mountains, in the winter they went down to the valley. In Soviet times, it became possible to harvest a sufficient amount of hay on the collective farm and there was no need to move; and the population was growing, there was not much land in the mountains and they stopped moving. Therefore, there were two villages - the upper or summer and winter or lower. If you want to check, pay attention to the names of the villages - often there is Yukhary - upper and Ashagy - lower
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 23: 07 New
    0
    Population is being evacuated from Khankendi. This is reported by Izvestia with reference to its own correspondent.

    It is reported that almost all local residents were taken out of the city. There is a tense situation in the city of Shusha.

    A source of the Izvestia correspondent in military circles said that “Shusha was practically surrendered to Azerbaijan,” at the same time, the representative of the Armenian Defense Ministry denied this information.

    The Armenian Defense Ministry confirmed that journalists are currently being taken out of Khankendi.
  • Artura
    Artura 9 November 2020 11: 04 New
    -1
    30 people from the markets minus you)))))
  • Asad
    Asad 7 November 2020 13: 54 New
    +4
    It is interesting to look at the maps from the Armenian and Azerbaijani sides, how they differ!
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 7 November 2020 14: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: ASAD
      It is interesting to look at the maps from the Armenian and Azerbaijani sides, how they differ!


      They seem to be there in layers on the same territory.
    2. Stock
      Stock 7 November 2020 14: 33 New
      -1
      Armenian maps are the same Azerbaijani maps 10-15 days ago. Something like this)))
    3. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 17: 49 New
      -1
      Even he knows the approach ...

  • paul3390
    paul3390 7 November 2020 14: 04 New
    16
    Why "liberated from the occupation" in quotation marks? After all, formally, Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan, and even Armenia itself recognizes this in fact! This means - really liberation from the Armenian occupation, no matter how we treat it.
    In general, it is simply surprising that even Armenia itself has not yet recognized Karabakh .. I wonder what is hindering it? After all, then the Armenian actions acquired at least some shade of legitimacy. And so - according to the law, they are all wrong to go out, whatever you say ..
    1. Professor
      Professor 7 November 2020 14: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: paul3390
      In general, it is simply surprising that even Armenia itself has not yet recognized Karabakh. I wonder what is hindering it?

      Possible sanctions. Patriotism is patriotism, and money is more expensive.
      1. MTN
        MTN 7 November 2020 17: 07 New
        -3
        Quote: Professor
        Possible sanctions. Patriotism is patriotism, and money is more expensive.

        War, that's why they don't recognize it. Recognition of Karabakh by Armenia is an open declaration of war on Azerbaijan and on this they will sign a verdict for themselves.
        1. Professor
          Professor 7 November 2020 17: 45 New
          0
          Quote: MTN
          Quote: Professor
          Possible sanctions. Patriotism is patriotism, and money is more expensive.

          War, that's why they don't recognize it. Recognition of Karabakh by Armenia is an open declaration of war on Azerbaijan and on this they will sign a verdict for themselves.

          Is it not a war now, or is Azerbaijan now fighting not with Armenia?
          1. MTN
            MTN 7 November 2020 18: 18 New
            -5
            Quote: Professor
            Is it not a war now, or is Azerbaijan now fighting not with Armenia?

            De facto, it is, deyure Armenians shout to all the world about the right of the people of Karabakh. They confuse the whole world with this term. And of course you are right, an Armenian, and an Armenian in Africa. It is the Armenian army that is fighting with us, who (not counting the militants, mercenaries, and so on) have Armenian passports and citizenship. Therefore, Aliyev says that a citizen of Armenia is doing on our land, and even with a gun.
            But the Armenians do not recognize it! They say Armenia is not fighting with us, only the army of Karabakh is fighting with us)
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 7 November 2020 14: 40 New
      0
      Quote: paul3390
      Why "liberated from the occupation" in quotation marks? After all, formally, Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan,

      I also thought about it ...
      Moreover, even Armenia itself recognizes in fact!

      Of course not. Otherwise, after the liberation of the NKR, Azerbaijan will sue Armenia for the damage caused by the latter, but before that, the very fact of the occupation of the NKR must be proved in the International Courts ...
      But the occupation by Armenia of 7 districts of Azerbaijan around the NKR does not require proof, therefore, for the damage caused to these districts of Armenia during the occupation and after their liberation by Azerbaijan, the latter can recover from Armenia, as well as refugees (Azerbaijanis) from these regions in private order can apply to the Court to Armenia ...
      In general, it's just amazing that even Armenia itself has not yet recognized Karabakh ..

      Then the war would have started earlier, and the Russian Federation would hardly have recognized the NKR as a part of Armenia and any other CIS country ...
      In general, it is surprising how Armenia was cheerfully and dashingly accepted into the CSTO (including the Turkic republics), knowing about the NKR problem, because in the CSTO the unanimous acceptance of a member, as in NATO, respectively, these three prison republics did not care about their possible participation in a real war, because when the CSTO was created, none of its members knew (however, as now) that the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan would not affect the territory of Armenia itself ...
      At the moment, at least the Turkic republics + RB, according to the idea, should sign additional protocols to the CSTO Charter, about not involving their countries in the Caucasian meat grinder because of the Armenians who occupied at least 7 districts of Azerbaijan without asking them (and RF) opinion on this matter ...
      And so - according to the law, they are all wrong to go out, whatever you say ..

      Unambiguous. This can later be attributed to the possible actions of the Russian Federation to protect Armenia, in the event that the Armenians themselves provoke the transfer of hostilities to their territory ...
  • flicker
    flicker 7 November 2020 14: 05 New
    -2
    Azerbaijan showed the territories of Nagorno-Karabakh liberated "from occupation"
    Well, positive news is also coming from Turkey: Erdogan replaced the head of the country's Central Bank because of the fall of the lira. Lyra will start growing again. bully
    1. Pavlos Melas
      Pavlos Melas 7 November 2020 14: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: flicker
      Azerbaijan showed the territories of Nagorno-Karabakh liberated "from occupation"
      Well, positive news is also coming from Turkey: Erdogan replaced the head of the country's Central Bank because of the fall of the lira. Lyra will start growing again. bully

      As for the lyre, I think how it will be in the fable until Ertogan begins to conduct a more moderate policy, everything will remain Qatar, not bottomless hi
      And you, friends, no matter how you sit down,
      Everybody's not good at musicians. "
      1. three
        three 7 November 2020 15: 48 New
        +4
        Yes, the economy is rather weak there, the balance is minus $ 6.2bn, debt is 100, stocks at the beginning of the year are 75, now they are 45 (and all of them are not a regulator, but commercial banks). Moodys rating is junk. Swap line from Qatar - yes, but it's only -15 yards. In the place of a friend, Erdogan, it would be nice to take up the economy, otherwise now the democrats will quickly send a new one ...
        1. Pavlos Melas
          Pavlos Melas 7 November 2020 16: 59 New
          +1
          Well, yes, it is, I think Sultan Recep I has a plan. Pakistan will help him laughing
    2. Renator
      Renator 7 November 2020 15: 10 New
      -7
      Quote: flicker
      Well, positive news is also coming from Turkey:

      It's a pity, but Russia is not lagging behind with the ruble!
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 7 November 2020 14: 15 New
    +6
    Judging by the photo of the ZSU "Shilka", it was killed by rust even before the battles ...
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 7 November 2020 14: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Lara Croft
      Judging by the photo of the ZSU "Shilka", it was killed by rust even before the battles ...

      I paid attention to rust in many photos. After all, this is your own weapon, like a personal one. We must take care of it. This is the first thing. Secondly, when this technique becomes a trophy for the enemy, there is no shame in such mismanagement. hi
    2. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 23: 08 New
      +2
      Population is being evacuated from Khankendi. This is reported by Izvestia with reference to its own correspondent.

      It is reported that almost all local residents were taken out of the city. There is a tense situation in the city of Shusha.

      A source of the Izvestia correspondent in military circles said that “Shusha was practically surrendered to Azerbaijan,” at the same time, the representative of the Armenian Defense Ministry denied this information.

      The Armenian Defense Ministry confirmed that journalists are currently being taken out of Khankendi.
  • Professor
    Professor 7 November 2020 14: 19 New
    -1
    I don't understand Armenians' cravings for shinomantage. In each video, fortifications contain auto tires ...
    1. karima
      karima 7 November 2020 14: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      In each video, fortifications contain auto tires ...
      Well, the shells will ricochet back ...
    2. Runway
      Runway 7 November 2020 14: 34 New
      +5
      It is bad in the steppe zone with timber. Are Yankees allergic to gabions in the IRA?
      1. Professor
        Professor 7 November 2020 14: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: WFP
        It is bad in the steppe zone with timber. Are Yankees allergic to gabions in the IRA?

        1. Are the stones in the Caucasus over?
        2. As I understand it, they are engaged in art.
        1. Runway
          Runway 7 November 2020 16: 02 New
          +3
          Duplicate in black in Russian - steppe zone. "Stone" of mountain valleys (alluvial rocks) - mainly limestone with flowing.
          The engineering training itself is limping on all four legs, maybe it will be corrected, based on the "October lessons".
          1. Professor
            Professor 7 November 2020 16: 37 New
            0
            Quote: WFP
            Duplicate in black in Russian - steppe zone. "Stone" of mountain valleys (alluvial rocks) - mainly limestone with flowing.
            The engineering training itself is limping on all four legs, maybe it will be corrected, based on the "October lessons".

            These are not "mountains" of the Kherson region. there are many stones here.
            1. Runway
              Runway 8 November 2020 01: 28 New
              +2
              Pebbles need to be "knitted" (turf, clay). The reason is on the surface. Pebbles need to be collected (in the mountains), dug in the valleys on the channels, outfeeds, hummocks and shove into position.
              In a particular case, they waved a bucket, stuffed / tamped the soil into tires and made partitions. Fast and easy.
              1. Professor
                Professor 8 November 2020 10: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: WFP
                Pebbles need to be "knitted" (turf, clay). The reason is on the surface. Pebbles need to be collected (in the mountains), dug in the valleys on the channels, outfeeds, hummocks and shove into position.
                In a particular case, they waved a bucket, stuffed / tamped the soil into tires and made partitions. Fast and easy.

                Everything you need is there at your fingertips. Not Sahara. You don't need to carry anything. There, stone walls grow by themselves as the land is cultivated. The owner puts the cobblestones around the perimeter collected on the field. In a few years, a real wall is obtained. This has always been the case in Armenia.
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 November 2020 14: 42 New
      +7
      Quote: Professor
      I don't understand Armenians' cravings for shinomantage. In each video, fortifications contain auto tires ...

      Conveniently - I put the tire on and covered it with sand. Here's your bulletproof protection.
      The only thing is to change it in winter
      1. Professor
        Professor 7 November 2020 14: 44 New
        -1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        The only thing is to change it in winter

        good
      2. Peter rybak
        Peter rybak 7 November 2020 14: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Quote: Professor
        I don't understand Armenians' cravings for shinomantage. In each video, fortifications contain auto tires ...

        Conveniently - I put the tire on and covered it with sand. Here's your bulletproof protection.
        The only thing is to change it in winter

        Test. Plus sign from me.
    4. ssergey1978
      ssergey1978 7 November 2020 15: 21 New
      +2
      Apparently from savings, so as not to spend money, and so they collected tires, sand was poured into them and it will come off
    5. Grits
      Grits 7 November 2020 15: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      I don't understand Armenians' cravings for shinomantage. In each video, fortifications contain auto tires ...

      I also noticed that this is their main building material on all the fortifications.
    6. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 19: 33 New
      -5
      For centuries they obeyed empires, and in front of the master, bowing their heads, they always looked at his shoes, became a habit, then they fell in love with them, why not, they became cobblers. For centuries they sewed boots, shoes, and fell in love with everything associated with him and associated with shoes. shoes, these are tires. Out of the habit of love for shoes, shoes, they continued this on building positions. yes
    7. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 8 November 2020 01: 25 New
      0
      They took it for shelter, they also rode the Maidan laughing
    8. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 8 November 2020 03: 47 New
      +1
      what is there to understand? comfortable frames for anti-splinter and anti-bullet protection. I laid out the perimeter, covered it with sand or gravel - it's done. much better than nothing.
      1. Professor
        Professor 8 November 2020 10: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Skarpzd
        what is there to understand? comfortable frames for anti-splinter and anti-bullet protection. I laid out the perimeter, covered it with sand or gravel - it's done. much better than nothing.

        I'm embarrassed to ask, isn't it safer and easier to use sandbags than tires that still need to be brought?
        1. Skarpzd
          Skarpzd 8 November 2020 11: 32 New
          0
          most likely - what is at hand is used.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 7 November 2020 14: 25 New
    -4
    Quote: Tatiana
    Baku denied the statements of Yerevan about the shelling of Shushi in Karabakh, stating that no shelling was carried out in this direction.

    Well, how can you respect the liar Aliyev after that ?!
    Is he out of business at all as the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Azerbaijan ?!
    Apparently, Aliyev really became an absolute puppet of Erdogan, as foreign media write about him.

    Why would an Armenian troll lie? What "foreign" media outlets wrote about this, besides the Armenian slanderers? Well, this is their constant occupation, and such Armenian bots as you are the repeater of these Armenian faycomets.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 November 2020 14: 45 New
      11
      Tatiana is not a troll. She simply studies the Russian question in the light of the struggle against Zionism, Trotskyism and Pan-Turkism, tracing important milestones of the struggle according to the works of famous Russian metaphysicians. ))
      1. Hello from Baku
        Hello from Baku 7 November 2020 14: 59 New
        -2
        Does she even know the word metaphysician? It seems that apart from the filing of the newspaper PRAVDA for 1980, she does not read anything.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 November 2020 15: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: Greetings from Baku
          Does she even know the word metaphysician? It seems that apart from the filing of the newspaper PRAVDA for 1980, she does not read anything.

          Knows - like Zionotrotskyism, Orthodox communism and other mutually exclusive things yes
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 8 November 2020 03: 12 New
            0
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Zionotrotskyism, Orthodox communism

            Is it in the fence teaching or the pasta blower? what
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 8 November 2020 03: 19 New
              +1
              In Kroykoshitiev-Mnogostanochny named after Alexandra Gray. hi
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 8 November 2020 03: 31 New
                +3
                Why are you hanging on to Tatiana? Her comments are as invigorating as coffee ... especially when she explains that the war is already underway - running to count cans of stew and pasta, checking ammunition! But there is always order, I instantly identify shortages (a small one can steal a chocolate) laughing
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 8 November 2020 03: 36 New
                  +2
                  Hi Aleksey! hi
                  On the contrary, we admire her alternative view of the universe)).
                  1. Hunter 2
                    Hunter 2 8 November 2020 03: 40 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Hi Aleksey! hi
                    On the contrary, we admire her alternative view of the universe)).

                    Here, but everything is in good shape! The weapons are cleaned and the products are taken into account! Be Healthy, Albert! hi
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 November 2020 03: 50 New
                      +1
                      Excellent, because we will fight with Turan, we take, most likely, the Cimmerians as allies soldier
                      1. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 8 November 2020 03: 54 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Excellent, because we will fight with Turan, we take, most likely, the Cimmerians as allies soldier

                        The main thing is Shoulder to Shoulder! The commanders will show - who is the enemy and where! soldier
                        Although ... personally I am for the creation of a partisan detachment repeat it will be somehow calmer drinks
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 8 November 2020 04: 07 New
                        +1
                        Led by Conan the Barbarian. And Mikhan as a political officer)).
    2. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 7 November 2020 15: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Tatiana is not a troll. She simply studies the Russian question in the light of the struggle against Zionism, Trotskyism and Pan-Turkism, tracing important milestones of the struggle according to the works of famous Russian metaphysicians. ))

      I am also sometimes pinned by her excerpts from Wikipedia. But I'm not entirely sure that she is interested in the Russian question at VO. smile
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 7 November 2020 15: 08 New
        +1
        A question for specifically Russian men))
    3. MTN
      MTN 7 November 2020 17: 12 New
      -2
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Tatiana is not a troll.

      She is a one-sided propagandist; moreover, she is also a Turkophobic 80 levla. She writes one thing, explains another. She says that you need to use different sources, but only Vorgonzo herself, and you tell her about it and she responds well and STO)))) I try not to pay attention to her messages. She sees someone NEAR from the Armenians. For a woman to hate the Turks, it just cannot be. And as a political observer and expert, she is zero.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 November 2020 15: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: Scorpio05
    Why would an Armenian troll lie? What "foreign" media outlets wrote about this, besides the Armenian slanderers? Well, this is their constant occupation, and such Armenian bots as you are the repeater of these Armenian faycomets.

    universal comment, you can simply change "Armenian" to "Azeri" and vice versa. One hell shit here with fakes that some, that others.
  • svp67
    svp67 7 November 2020 14: 37 New
    +6
    The usual PROPAGANDISTIC, not very skillfully made video. Unlike the Armenian side, the Azerbaijanis do not allow foreign correspondents to the front line and try to convey only their vision ...
    1. icant007
      icant007 7 November 2020 14: 59 New
      -2
      Quote: svp67
      The usual PROPAGANDISTIC, not very skillfully made video.


      Not very skillful, because he is not propaganda.

      The report is quite professional in my opinion. Grammatically correct speech.
      The journalist does not allow any special blunders. Yes, and no pathos is visible.

      But the "defense node" really looks modest)))
    2. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 7 November 2020 15: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      The usual PROPAGANDISTIC, not very skillfully made video. Unlike the Armenian side, the Azerbaijanis do not allow foreign correspondents to the front line and try to convey only their vision ...

      Hello! I can tell you that this is a very competent way of working. The Armenian side broadcasts to the whole world, looking for support, justification, etc. Azerbaijan works for its own. He doesn't care about your opinion, my opinion, the opinion of Pegov, Gabirelyan, Tatiana from this site, and even this site itself. What do Russia, France, the United States think about this, do you think it is interesting to an ordinary citizen of Azerbaijan?
      And we work on the same principle. All the media (except for a couple, but they were branded the fifth column) work for the authorities and we get the information that the authorities give us.
      1. svp67
        svp67 7 November 2020 16: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Peter Rybak
        Azerbaijan works for its own.

        Speaking in Russian. No, this video is for our audience ...
        So, just like this, where the threats to Russia are already sounding ...
        1. icant007
          icant007 7 November 2020 16: 51 New
          +2
          I have not heard threats against Russia.
          1. svp67
            svp67 7 November 2020 17: 20 New
            +3
            Quote: icant007
            I have not heard threats against Russia.

            You are either engaged or deaf ... Listen again. And remember the words of the President of Russia about the NON-ALTERNATION of the peaceful settlement of all armed conflicts on the territory of the former USSR. Whose forces are these "openly skimping on their commitments." Then think about whom he so vaguely calls the "crypto-patrons of Armenia", who supplied Armenia with weapons, often free of charge. Which country has been helping Armenia all this time and, accordingly, which country will have to answer ... Listen well, what he says, in a language we understand
            1. icant007
              icant007 7 November 2020 20: 03 New
              0
              Quote: svp67
              You are either engaged or deaf ...


              Or or. You seem to live in a black and white world.

              Are you not engaged, having the status of a moderator?
              1. svp67
                svp67 7 November 2020 22: 01 New
                0
                Quote: icant007
                Are you not engaged, having the status of a moderator?

                Engaged by the interests of Russia and the site
                1. Peter rybak
                  Peter rybak 7 November 2020 22: 05 New
                  -1
                  Engaged by the interests of Russia and the site


                  hi Take me to this group of those who are engaged.
                2. icant007
                  icant007 8 November 2020 07: 15 New
                  +1
                  And what about you or who am I engaged?
                  Or if I support Azerbaijan's position on the Karabakh issue, then I am an enemy of Russia? Is that your logic? )
                  1. Peter rybak
                    Peter rybak 8 November 2020 08: 54 New
                    0
                    Quote: icant007
                    And what about you or who am I engaged?
                    Or if I support Azerbaijan's position on the Karabakh issue, then I am an enemy of Russia?

                    Likewise. I proceed only from international acts that recognize the occupied lands, including Nagorno-Karabakh, as an integral part of Azerbaijan.
                    And it is important for me that my country at the official level adheres to the same opinion, recognizing these lands as Azerbaijani.
                    Everything else, whoever writes what, is mnogabukf. But sometimes you just want to debate.
            2. icant007
              icant007 8 November 2020 14: 27 New
              0
              Quote: svp67
              Then think about whom he so vaguely calls "the crypto patrons of Armenia", who supplied Armenia with weapons, often for free


              Listen, Russia has supplied more weapons to Azerbaijan than to Armenia. Is Russia also, according to this logic, the crypto patron of Azerbaijan?
        2. hydroy
          hydroy 7 November 2020 18: 10 New
          -4
          They recognized their friends "who went" and enemies) who sponsored Armenia for free and wanted to solve everything by political means, not by military)
        3. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 8 November 2020 17: 06 New
          0
          So this is what you are, Azerbaijani Commissioner
      2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 7 November 2020 20: 14 New
        0
        ... work for the authorities and we get the information that the authorities give us.

        Hmm, are there other countries where it is wrong?
        1. Peter rybak
          Peter rybak 7 November 2020 21: 30 New
          -1
          Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
          ... work for the authorities and we get the information that the authorities give us.

          Hmm, are there other countries where it is wrong?

          I heard out of my ears that there are countries with independent media. Well, that is, not all are indiscriminately independent, but for the most part.
          1. Skarpzd
            Skarpzd 8 November 2020 03: 56 New
            +3
            ???? name these countries? independent media is ... well, they made fun of the right)) everything rests on the interests of those who pay denyushku. this is where independence ends.
            1. Peter rybak
              Peter rybak 8 November 2020 08: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: Skarpzd
              ???? name these countries? independent media is ... well, they made fun of the right)) everything rests on the interests of those who pay denyushku. this is where independence ends.


              Eugene, I will name three dozen states in Europe, one state in North America, one state on the mainland Australia. I will even list you a list of publications (not from three dozen countries, but these are influential publications):

              The New York Times USA
              The Guardian UK
              The Daily Mail UK
              The Washington Post USA
              The Daily Telegraph UK
              The Wall Street Journal USA
              USA Today USA
              The Independent UK
              Los Angeles Times USA
              El País Spain
              Financial Times UK
              United Daily News Taiwan
              Le Monde France
              Daily Mirror UK
              El Mundo Spain
              Daily News USA
              La Repubblica Italy
              Bild Germany
              Le Figaro France
              The Sydney Morning Herald Australia
              Asahi Shimbun Japan
              Corriere della Sera Italy
              Marca Spain
              Die Welt Germany
              The Globe and Mail Canada
              The Age Australia

              So-so little list. These publications do not care who is at the helm of power in their countries. They are doing their journalistic duty. This is not Izvestia, Vedomosti or some Kommersant.
              1. Skarpzd
                Skarpzd 8 November 2020 11: 38 New
                +1
                Yes Yes Yes!!! this is definitely the most independent))) especially shtatovskie. it is enough to trace the election campaign in the USA, and immediately pride breaks through for their independence. I can still believe in relatively honest journalists, but in publishing houses .... no. respected. this does not happen in this world. whoever pays calls the tune.
                1. Peter rybak
                  Peter rybak 8 November 2020 11: 44 New
                  -2
                  in this world. whoever pays calls the tune.

                  This is a no brainer, dear. We are not discussing this with you. I initially said that in our country we receive the information that the authorities consider it necessary to allocate to us. From there all these disputes have gone, and have sunk to your dictum about "music". See the difference?
                  1. Skarpzd
                    Skarpzd 8 November 2020 14: 05 New
                    +1
                    I understood what you want to say and I repeat about my disagreement with you. any state, one way or another, communicates its position to its citizens through the media, if the media in key schemes will fuss a gag, there will be problems. the most severe censorship. everywhere.
                    1. Peter rybak
                      Peter rybak 8 November 2020 14: 14 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Skarpzd
                      I understood what you want to say and I repeat about my disagreement with you. any state, one way or another, communicates its position to its citizens through the media, if the media in key schemes will fuss a gag, there will be problems. the most severe censorship. everywhere.

                      An example for you. Biden has been declared president by leading US media. This is when President Trump is still alive. This action by the media leads to confrontation within the United States.
                      We argue about nothing, and this is a little tired. Everyone has his own opinion.
                      1. Skarpzd
                        Skarpzd 8 November 2020 14: 19 New
                        +1
                        Well, the leading media in the United States have generally ignored Trump for a very long time. Trump is accused of all sins. his position is simply not covered. the trump is ordered, journalists are either paid for, or they are simply not given the opportunity to express their opinion. where is independence?
                        https://vz.ru/world/2020/6/14/1044470.html
                        for example
                      2. Skarpzd
                        Skarpzd 8 November 2020 14: 22 New
                        +1
                        I personally suspect it is the most independent media in North Korea. this is a joke. n seriously - ultimately Russia is the most independent. so much slop is poured onto the Russian Federation from all the media despite the fact that the financing of these garbage media is carried out from funds including state corporations ... this is just nonsense
              2. Alex Justice
                Alex Justice 8 November 2020 17: 08 New
                +1
                The Daily Mail UK is not an honest newspaper.
          2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 8 November 2020 11: 08 New
            0
            Please whisper in your ear what kind of countries these are, very curious winked
            1. Peter rybak
              Peter rybak 8 November 2020 11: 26 New
              -1
              Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Please whisper in your ear what kind of countries these are, very curious winked

              And vision is no way, right?
              1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Uncle Vanya Susanin 8 November 2020 19: 08 New
                0
                I read the list, but even if we accept by default, without criticism, the thesis that they are not really engaged and objective media, I don’t see how they form the MOST, because their cat cried in comparison with the real majority of the engaged ones?

                I heard out of my ears that there are countries with independent media. Well, that is, not all are indiscriminately independent, but for the most part.
    3. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 18: 06 New
      0
      There was a French woman, a reporter, who was allowed into the front line, told the truth about the war and told about the Armenian shelling of Ganja and ballistic missiles. She was almost eaten alive in Paris (by the Armenian lobby and French friends) for preparing this report. political scientists and journalists are under threat (every day they receive a dozen threats) who spoke about us more neutrally, or who conveyed the view of Azerbaijan.
  • svoit
    svoit 7 November 2020 14: 44 New
    -5
    Quote: paul3390
    In general, it is simply surprising that even Armenia itself has not yet recognized Karabakh. I wonder what is hindering it?

    In words, they did not want any agreements, Karabakh is Armenia, period, but this is for their Natsiks, but in fact they left room for negotiations and compromises, and Aliyev fell for what was for the Armenian Natsiks
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 November 2020 15: 10 New
      +1
      The Armenians were satisfied with the status quo.
  • Dimon71
    Dimon71 7 November 2020 15: 04 New
    +2
    I scored some villages in googel maps. He doesn't find them there.
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 7 November 2020 15: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Dimon71
      I scored some villages in googel maps. He doesn't find them there.

      No wonder. Although, if you really want to find, I can help. Give the name of the village you are interested in and I will find it. Is it interesting to you? hi
  • denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 7 November 2020 15: 08 New
    +2
    I translate. freed, that is, three kennels, seven summer cottages, five sheds and even one doghouse.
    1. Grits
      Grits 7 November 2020 16: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: denis obuckov
      I translate. freed, that is, three kennels, seven summer cottages, five sheds and even one doghouse.

      And all this was abandoned 30 years ago.
    2. Rubina
      Rubina 7 November 2020 16: 45 New
      -1
      There are 7 summer cottages a day, by the New Year we will just fit in and take all of Karabakh. Especially for you, Russia pacified Chechnya for SIX months
  • ssergey1978
    ssergey1978 7 November 2020 15: 13 New
    +1
    The girl-reporter is beautiful, the reportage is in Russian that surprised
    1. icant007
      icant007 7 November 2020 16: 04 New
      0
      The CBC channel positions itself as international.
      It broadcasts in 3 languages: Russian, Azerbaijani and Armenian.
      It would be interesting to see in Armenian)
  • certero
    certero 7 November 2020 15: 15 New
    -1
    And why the phrase liberated from the occupation in quotation marks?
    What is wrong with this phrase?
    in any way, the regions of Armenia have seized, respectively, they are really occupied by it. This is recognized by everyone, even by Armenia itself.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 7 November 2020 15: 26 New
    -3
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Quote: Scorpio05
    Why would an Armenian troll lie? What "foreign" media outlets wrote about this, besides the Armenian slanderers? Well, this is their constant occupation, and such Armenian bots as you are the repeater of these Armenian faycomets.

    universal comment, you can simply change "Armenian" to "Azeri" and vice versa. One hell shit here with fakes that some, that others.

    More specific, please, where did you see the Azerbaijani fake here? Do not scatter words, please.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 7 November 2020 15: 28 New
    -6
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    and he's a free President of a free country

    And so you say, otherwise the boss will be sawed off in some underground ... laughing

    Aliyev is the most decent, intelligent President of our time

    And past and future and up to the orbit of Mars! wassat

    You want to belittle your ego's diplomatic skill, but you won't succeed.

    In general, I agree that you need to have an ocean of skills to become the Chief Ibrik of the Sultan. A very honorable position in the Ottoman Empire, by the way ...

    Again he started his moronic shit throwing fake "Balkan"? Can't you do your own thing, the Armenian-Bulgarians?) You don't confuse your quasi-state (any Armenia or Bulgaria) with anything.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 7 November 2020 15: 34 New
    -5
    Quote: Tatiana
    Quote: Stock
    If you want relatively reliable information, learn to read between the lines and analyze the data

    And I analyze the data on the statements of Erdogan himself and the RF Ministry of Defense, as well as Naryshkin.
    What do not you like? Don't you like it?
    Why should I think of Aliyev better than he really is? Just because he is your president? Today about the president, and tomorrow not at all.

    Besides, following your logic, should we respect Hitler too?

    Your Aliyev, incapable of negotiating peace, behind whom is Erdogan!

    Negotiability in Armenian is to give half of Azerbaijan to the Armenians and sit silently, without raising their voices))) otherwise the Armenians of Russia and America will complain)
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 7 November 2020 15: 36 New
    -6
    Quote: Lara Croft
    Quote: paul3390
    Why "liberated from the occupation" in quotation marks? After all, formally, Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan,

    I also thought about it ...
    Moreover, even Armenia itself recognizes in fact!

    Of course not. Otherwise, after the liberation of the NKR, Azerbaijan will sue Armenia for the damage caused by the latter, but before that, the very fact of the occupation of the NKR must be proved in the International Courts ...
    But the occupation by Armenia of 7 districts of Azerbaijan around the NKR does not require proof, therefore, for the damage caused to these districts of Armenia during the occupation and after their liberation by Azerbaijan, the latter can recover from Armenia, as well as refugees (Azerbaijanis) from these regions in private order can apply to the Court to Armenia ...
    In general, it's just amazing that even Armenia itself has not yet recognized Karabakh ..

    Then the war would have started earlier, and the Russian Federation would hardly have recognized the NKR as a part of Armenia and any other CIS country ...
    In general, it is surprising how Armenia was cheerfully and dashingly accepted into the CSTO (including the Turkic republics), knowing about the NKR problem, because in the CSTO the unanimous acceptance of a member, as in NATO, respectively, these three prison republics did not care about their possible participation in a real war, because when the CSTO was created, none of its members knew (however, as now) that the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan would not affect the territory of Armenia itself ...
    At the moment, at least the Turkic republics + RB, according to the idea, should sign additional protocols to the CSTO Charter, about not involving their countries in the Caucasian meat grinder because of the Armenians who occupied at least 7 districts of Azerbaijan without asking them (and RF) opinion on this matter ...
    And so - according to the law, they are all wrong to go out, whatever you say ..

    Unambiguous. This can later be attributed to the possible actions of the Russian Federation to protect Armenia, in the event that the Armenians themselves provoke the transfer of hostilities to their territory ...

    What are you talking about?) Mankurt ...
  • ximkim
    ximkim 7 November 2020 15: 50 New
    0
    November for both sides will be difficult and rubbery (the month will drag on) .. I think that from December 1, the further course of events on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh will become clear.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 November 2020 17: 08 New
      +1
      Azerbaijan has a constant tactic of checking the defense in all areas where the defense is weak and they will break through - they will definitely not stand still, neither in the north nor in the south.
      1. ximkim
        ximkim 7 November 2020 17: 12 New
        -1
        Yes, they hurry slowly and pay attention to preparation. ...
  • Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 7 November 2020 16: 22 New
    +2
    Not liberation, but occupation-occupied territories laughing
  • Cure72
    Cure72 7 November 2020 16: 37 New
    +1
    I'd like to see photos / videos from the front of local aizer / armenian. Those. "fighters" of the invisible front. They sit here, shitting in the comments. Shit on each other. And the photo from the trenches will look like an enemy counter?
    "Warriors" (on both sides), you either want to fight (aka patriots) or shut up.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 7 November 2020 18: 12 New
      -2
      offended by you "wars" Armenian and Azeri xhakh
  • Alena-Baku
    Alena-Baku 7 November 2020 17: 04 New
    -5
    Change the record, in the morning I wrote 50 comments all day playing Internet war games. And then complaints that her husband left for another.
    1. Cure72
      Cure72 7 November 2020 20: 50 New
      0
      Change the record
      Quote: Alena-Baku
      Change the record

      When I see you in the uniform of a nurse at least, then I will perceive you as a person and not as a bot
      1. Alena-Baku
        Alena-Baku 8 November 2020 09: 28 New
        -1
        I've been waiting for you for roll games all my life. Already better in bots than a man is a couch hero.
  • Naughty
    Naughty 7 November 2020 17: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Theodore
    Well, 16 villages are not many bazaars! There won't be much room for Azerbaijanis to turn around in the markets!


    So they kind of liberate villages that have been abandoned for 30 years. There are only ruins in them. They have not released anything serious yet.
    1. Rubina
      Rubina 7 November 2020 21: 00 New
      -1
      From serious -
      1. the entire border of Armenia with Iran has been returned. Armenia has a tiny border with Iran, there is no good road and it is unsuitable for the transport of goods. But most importantly, it is a tiny tongue near the Turkish-Nakhichevan border. All cargo will be under control
      2. Lachin corridor cut
      3. Kelbajar road under fire control from the first days after the capture of Murov Dag
      4. Strengthen the Hadrut area (this is NK)
      5. Strengthen the area of ​​Aglere, former Martakert
      On the approach
      6. Shusha
      7. Stepanakert won't have to be taken after Shushi
      8. Strengthen the Khojavend / Martuni district
      9. Strengthen the Agdam district
      10. Third road
      Half the battle in 1.5 months. By the new year, the mousetrap will slam shut
  • Naughty
    Naughty 7 November 2020 18: 02 New
    -3
    Quote: Tatiana
    Baku denied the statements of Yerevan about the shelling of Shushi in Karabakh, stating that no shelling was carried out in this direction.

    Well, how can you respect the liar Aliyev after that ?!
    Is he out of business at all as the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Azerbaijan ?!
    Apparently, Aliyev really became an absolute puppet of Erdogan, as foreign media write about him.


    In the internet they write that someone gave reinforcements from Abkhazia to the Karabakh people laughing And a lot. Now think the babai of mad Erdogan will freeze now. Winter, whatever one may say, on the threshold of the Blitz Krieg, it did not work. And the Abkhaz guys will now deploy there. Their experience is not frail. I wonder how many percent of their territory will the Azerbaijanis lose this war? And what other flag will be raised over Baku first? Karabakh or Abkhazian? laughing In short, we are waiting for refugees from Baku in jeeps loaded with parsley and dill lol
    1. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 7 November 2020 20: 25 New
      +1
      And the Abkhaz guys will now deploy there; Their experience is not too weak

      And what such a useful experience (acquired in the battles of Shobla on Shoblu) acquired 30 years ago can be useful
      today ... - Abkhazia has no army even yesterday?
      And what kind of experience can they bring with them (even in their
      years of combat, untrained in military affairs) elderly warriors?
      What can the Armenian regular army be taught? Bikes will be fed about how they butted with the same as themselves, Georgian scoundrels?
    2. Alena-Baku
      Alena-Baku 7 November 2020 20: 27 New
      0
      These are the Abkhazian Armenians who ran from the Georgians until the Russian men came on 08.08.08.
    3. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 7 November 2020 20: 28 New
      0
      In the internet they write that someone gave reinforcements from Abkhazia to the Karabakh people

      To my surprise, I noticed that you also write on the Internet ...
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 7 November 2020 19: 11 New
    -1
    Quote: Tatiana
    Quote: Bakinec
    In each of your comments Erdogan. This already looks like schizophrenia.

    And it is ugly for you to be ungrateful to Erdogan for his help in the war in NK and point-blank to not recognize 2/3 of his contribution to your victory!
    If you answer the current sentiment in terms of who is for whom in the last conflict, bias and emotions, propaganda of one of the parties, then not everything is clearly not so. There is no 2/3 of the Turks for anyone.

    According to the latest data, Azerbaijan has purchased armaments for 2020 million from Turkey for three quarters of 123. US dollars, total ordered military products in 2020 for 221 million. dollars, for comparison, for the same period of 2019, only 20,7 million worth of military products were delivered. US dollars. That is, an increase of more than 10 times.
    To understand, the total arms export of such a country as the FRG, for the current year, is slightly more than 600 million. EURO. And again, by the way, this year, more than half of these exports go to Turkey.
    Turkey has long dreamed of getting Azerbaijani contracts. We need to distract ourselves from our gigantomania and evaluate the amount of military contracts that Azerbaijan has concluded in the last decade from the point of view of Western countries. And they are considered VERY LARGE, where capitalism, penny to penny is considered, contracts for significantly smaller amounts are considered for YEARS, any deal is offset, etc., tenders are appointed and canceled, long tests and trials are carried out, and all this is in a tough competition between several manufacturers from different countries. And here big money is paid and on much more attractive terms. That is, for a decade, tasty and fatty contracts for huge amounts have been floating in front of the Turks, everything is like in that proverb - the eye sees a tooth. Moreover, the Turks have more than good relations with the Azerbaijanis, and they train personnel, that is, there is a support in the Azerbaijani army, but basically everything is past. There are two obstacles, firstly, weapons systems of the USSR / Russia caliber have been adopted in Azerbaijan, and secondly, the Turks do not produce a single type of high-tech and complex weapons on their own, they are members of Western cooperation, which means they cannot sell to Azerbaijan any types of weapons where European nodes are used. or American origin.
    Let's turn to the publicized attack UAV Bayraktar TV2. According to various estimates, the Turks sold to Azerbaijan up to 5-6 complexes, that is, up to 15-18 UAV units, plus missiles for them. Everything is beautiful and on a par with the Israeli shock drones remaining in the shadows of this war, the Bayraktars made a good contribution to the harvest of enemy equipment and personnel. At first glance, the Turks had a reason to puff their cheeks and expect good exports, but what happened next, I'm talking about the prohibitions of Canadians, Austrians, Americans on the supply of components and assemblies, this is a complete compromise of the Turks as a supplier and restricts their market only by the European countries themselves and the North America, where their UAVs are not needed for nothing. Well, now the most interesting thing is that a friend of Erdogan set up a friend of Ilham, who dumped a large sum for the complexes, which can get stuck if the Turks do not directly supply UAVs from their own Armed Forces, which, in my opinion, will end now. That is, the Turks will apparently continue to fly by despite all their friendship with Azerbaijan, and this is confirmed by the fact that Israel is sending an increasing number of flights with "humanitarian aid" for a round sum to Azerbaijan. Why be grateful to friend Erdogan here?

    Turkey provides direct political support to Azerbaijan, but the ambitions of Erdogan, who quarreled with everyone to smithereens, Turkey's policy, also hits Azerbaijan. Many countries that previously had good or even relations with Azerbaijan are beginning to politically hit Azerbaijan and its interrs because of, and only in opposition to, Turkey.

    Turkey is poking around in Syria, butting with several countries and has its own proxies there. It was the presence of the Turks that allowed the Armenians to raise a wave about mercenaries. Until they really are not in Azerbaijan, Armenian fakes with the Syrian Armenians do not count. But since they are needed as a possible lever of "international pressure" on Azerbaijan, it means they are, especially when there is a "consensus" among three large countries, and the history of white powder in a test tube was not and will not be the last.

    Turkish advisers should be at the headquarters of at least the Azerbaijani corps, and by any means they are at the General Staff. Those unflattering assessments that they give to the Azerbaijani command, those attempts of the Turks to intervene by promoting trained personnel, can hardly please the same Aliyev, to put it mildly. The current leadership of the army is Aliyev’s cadres, and he is essentially a shah padishah, khan or tsar, call it what you like, Azerbaijan, and in such conditions, random people are not appointed to leading positions either in the army, or in the special services, or in the police. If his generals by their actions, the "Soviet approach" which the Turks criticized, bury an extra thousand soldiers, this is acceptable for Aliyev, this miscalculation is leveled by the loyalty and other qualities of his generals.

    That is, Aliyev now has more reasons to be dissatisfied with Erdogan than to bow to him in gratitude ...
    1. three
      three 7 November 2020 20: 36 New
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      With what pleasure I will write - and we DRUM. Yeltsin gave you as much independence as you can take away? USE! Sort it out yourself, without nannies and snot .... Take your weapon and - into the trenches! There is nothing to scribble about your Aliyev-Pashinyans ... Yourself ...
      1. Azimuth
        Azimuth 7 November 2020 21: 07 New
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        Who do you want?
        EBN gave us all sovereignty, who can take as much as possible. And then only in the first war, more than 5000 people were killed.
        1. three
          three 7 November 2020 22: 52 New
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          Today I am kind and calm, purple .....
          1. Azimuth
            Azimuth 7 November 2020 23: 08 New
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            And everyone was purple, many still do not care.
    2. MTN
      MTN 7 November 2020 21: 28 New
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      Correct analysis. Surprised by the detail. Indeed, Turkey and Azerbaijan get it politically, but there is one nuance, who or what made the Kremlin silent in Karabakh? I do not think that Pashinyan and his antics. Since Serzh Sargsyan did almost the same thing only in a light form. I am very interested in the price of that silence on the part of the Kremlin! Although the Kremlin could repeat 080808. Yes, calmly. And Turkey is not so scary to him. It will bite but not kill. So what is the price of this silence ................
  • nuguma20051980
    nuguma20051980 7 November 2020 20: 25 New
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    https://m.vk.com/wall-23887484_1370710?from=feed
    1. nuguma20051980
      nuguma20051980 7 November 2020 20: 26 New
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      No comments
  • Naughty
    Naughty 7 November 2020 22: 21 New
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    Quote: Rubina
    From serious -
    1. the entire border of Armenia with Iran has been returned. Armenia has a tiny border with Iran, there is no good road and it is unsuitable for the transport of goods. But most importantly, it is a tiny tongue near the Turkish-Nakhichevan border. All cargo will be under control
    2. Lachin corridor cut
    3. Kelbajar road under fire control from the first days after the capture of Murov Dag
    4. Strengthen the Hadrut area (this is NK)
    5. Strengthen the area of ​​Aglere, former Martakert
    On the approach
    6. Shusha
    7. Stepanakert won't have to be taken after Shushi
    8. Strengthen the Khojavend / Martuni district
    9. Strengthen the Agdam district
    10. Third road
    Half the battle in 1.5 months. By the new year, the mousetrap will slam shut



    All these fortified areas and other names do not tell us about anything in Russia. And they are not on the maps. Okay, fight for free. Basmach Erdogan from your treasury Aliyev pays 30 thousand dollars for the murdered to families and you for the idea of ​​the Aliyev clan and other ALigarchs wink fold your heads if you like
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 7 November 2020 22: 43 New
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    Quote: MTN
    Correct analysis. Surprised by the detail.
    Today is a holiday, in any case I am used to it, and the present Azerbaijan, built by Heydar Aliyev, does not differ much from Soviet Azerbaijan, and the traditions of your government are more Soviet with an oriental flavor or accent.
    Nothing new, at least for me.

    Quote: MTN
    ... who or what made the Kremlin silent in Karabakh? I do not think that Pashinyan and his antics. Since Serzh Sargsyan did almost the same thing only in a light form. I am very interested in the price of that silence on the part of the Kremlin!
    The reason is simple and it is not so much connected with Karabakh, as you think. We have no alternative to Aliyev in Azerbaijan, like Turkmenbashi in Turkmenistan, or Nazarbayev in Kazakhstan, or Lukashenko in Belarus. Aliev is predictable and understandable, he is his own person.
    Armenia was given a chance, because the idea of ​​5 regions then 2 is our idea, not the Western group of mediators. Armenia has dynamized us, not Azerbaijan by disrupting the process all at once. Plus tricks with NATO, attempts to flirt with the EU and participate in the Eastern Partnership, this is not Pashinyan, but Sargsyan. Aliyev needs us, he can rely on us, even if playing in a multi-vector approach, but in fact we support half of your population, do not deny, if we only introduce a visa regime and you will immediately have a riot and sweep away the same Aliyev. Aliyev behaved correctly with the Soros organizations by closing all their offices and throwing them out of the country, although at first he tried to flirt and squat in deep knicksen, but he paid well for this by getting a riot in two or three regions.

    Quote: MTN
    Although the Kremlin could repeat 080808. Yes, calmly.
    There are no problems or obstacles for this, and now, everything can be and everything can change. As I understand it, Aliyev is allowed to take 7 districts, and to press the former NKAO just as much as it takes to create a crisis in Armenia and a change of power. Even if you suddenly take not only Shusha, but also Stepanakert, as I think, I can be wrong, it is possible that you will have to leave it later.
    We do not need Pashinyan or Sargsyan, Kocharyan is a friend of the VVP, and most likely someone from the Armenian army will be promoted to the first roles. This is not a secret for Pashinyan and his owners, so there is such a cleanup in the army and in the military counterintelligence.

    Quote: MTN
    And Turkey is not so scary to him. It will bite but not kill. So what is the price of this silence ................
    Although Russia is far from the USSR, Turkey is clearly not an equal, and has neither the capabilities nor the weight of Russia and, accordingly, any parity and conditions, not only for dictation, but also for some kind of equal communication.
    In Turkey, they remember how their public knees ended with our Su-24, when Erdogan and the team wanted to show their character. Do you remember how it ended?
    Erdogan sat and tore his hair at the opera in powerlessness, when the country was shaken by explosions, dozens were killed, the pilots of the Turkish Air Force were blown up on 17/02/2016 almost at the walls of the General Staff building, 22 pilots of the Turkish Air Force were killed, or out of nowhere, the Igla MANPADS shot down Turkish helicopters, then from some military organization, ATGMs and Turkish checkpoints were urgently delivered with impunity, and were calmly shot by the Kurds. Do you think Erdogan needs a repetition of this? ...
    To refresh your memory:
  • Recoil
    Recoil 7 November 2020 23: 53 New
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    you are all non-russians
    some kind of gon for everyone
    go article elsewhere
  • staxan
    staxan 9 November 2020 02: 08 New
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    Correspondents of the French newspaper Le Monde in Khankendi (Stepanakert) write that the wounded are brought from Shushi mainly with bullet and knife wounds. Not with machine guns or rifle wounds, but with pistol and knife wounds. This means that the city was taken almost in close hand-to-hand combat. That is, the mountain special forces worked. Moreover, during the offensive, climbing the mountain, the Azerbaijanis did not leave the wounded and killed on the battlefield - they were also taken to the fortress.
    Shusha, located at an altitude of 1400 m to 1800 m above sea level, is located on a cliff and is considered an impregnable fortress. The forces of special and mountain infantry units of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan on the night of November 3-4, making their way into the city from the side of the village of Dashalty and from the side of the greenhouse adjacent to the village of Garibali, having killed four posts of Armenian units, occupied the Old Fortress in the city itself and the Shusha prison ... Having repulsed several attacks, the special forces began to expand the bridgehead in the city with battles.

    Outside the city, several groups of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan took control of the Khankendi-Shusha road. Azerbaijani units held out in the city for two days. The Armenian forces in the city were ground by special forces without the support of armored vehicles.

    By the evening of November 6, motorized rifle units of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces approached the city and on the night of November 7 completely knocked out Armenian units from the city. Several attempts at counterattacks by the Armenian Armed Forces did not lead to anything.
  • BAKiDAN
    BAKiDAN 9 November 2020 10: 36 New
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    Perfectly!
    Get out of our lands!
    Hayes are running ...
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