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The United States has chosen a new hunter for Russian submarines

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In connection with the increase in the number of Russian nuclear submarines going on alert in the oceans, and the increased load on the US Navy and Air Force, the Marine Corps (USMC) intends to join the "hunt for Russian submarines." Writes about this The Drive.


Marine Corps Commander General David Berger said that the drones could not only conduct visual surveillance of submarines, but also receive signals from special buoys, as well as other special sensors placed by planes and helicopters.

As such drones, it is proposed to use the marine version of the Reaper MQ-9 combat UAV called the Sea Guardian. This drone is specially designed for naval missions. The US Marine Corps has already received two drones and is preparing personnel for their operation.


In 2017, the US Navy tested the MQ-9 Reaper as part of an anti-submarine exercise. For this exercise, the UAV was equipped with a signal receiving system from sonar buoys manufactured by Ultra Electronics and a signal processing system manufactured by General Dynamics Mission Systems-Canada. Both systems made it possible to receive transmitted signals, which were analyzed by a drone and sent to an operator several hundred miles away.

In addition, according to the resource, the UAV was pursuing underwater targets.

The Lynx radar was also installed on the UAV to highlight the surface situation, and an opto-electronic station to detect and classify surface targets.

Earlier it was reported that the US Navy abandoned the naval version of the MQ-9 Reaper in favor of another drone - the MQ-4C Triton, the Sea Guardian UAV will be in service with the US ILC. The case is considering the option of equipping the drone with special anti-submarine weapons, including small underwing sonars.

The MQ-9 Reaper weighs 4.7 tonnes, is 11.6 meters long and has a wingspan of 21.3 meters. It has six suspension points for carrying 682 kg of weapons. The maximum speed of the vehicle is 400 kilometers per hour and the maximum flight duration is 15 hours.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 7 November 2020 11: 16
    21
    Sho say, the ocean is great, but our enemies also hunt the net, make everything denser.
    Boats need to be covered, this has long been understood, but ......
    1. Turanov
      Turanov 7 November 2020 11: 31
      -3
      In connection with the increase in the number of Russian nuclear submarines going on combat duty in the world ocean,

      And how did you want "gentlemen", you are already threatening us in plain text and besieging Russia from all sides and picking from the inside too ..
      Soon "Poseidons" will be put on duty .. How will you search? bully
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 7 November 2020 11: 56
        +1
        Quote: Turanov
        Soon "Poseidons" will be put on duty .. How will you search?

        Well, what are you talking about? What are Poseidons?
        Now at VO, the last cry of fashion is drones.
        The ecstatic convulsions of some VO visitors, from fantasies about their boundless power, infinite number and boundless hovering, do not stop for a second.
        Enchantingly delighted and horrified at the same time.
        You look, they will come up with some more punctuation mark out of fright, since the dots and brackets are clearly not enough for them.
        1. Turanov
          Turanov 7 November 2020 12: 02
          -1
          Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
          Quote: Turanov
          Soon "Poseidons" will be put on duty .. How will you search?

          Well, what are you talking about? What are Poseidons?
          Now at VO, the last cry of fashion is drones.
          Ecstatic convulsions, from fantasies about their limitless power, infinite number and limitless hovering, do not stop even for a second.
          Enchantingly delighted and horrified at the same time.
          You look, they will come up with some more punctuation mark out of fright, since the dots and brackets are clearly not enough for them.

          Well, judging by - 3000, then the fear here for some people straight ups in one place .. lol
          Okay, don't be so scared ..))) I was joking ..
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 7 November 2020 12: 29
          +5
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Now at VO, the last cry of fashion is drones.

          It's okay to discuss exactly what has "shot" at the moment!
          Although, each topic has its own constant supporters and opponents! It's okay too.
          Don't go to extremes, just .... common sense will help us.
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 7 November 2020 12: 58
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            It's okay to discuss exactly what has "shot" at the moment!

            I am entirely for discussion and exchange of views, but categorically against hysterical enthusiasm and panic fuss.
            Well, it's really funny when grown-up men jump out of their pants, you know, they have an indelible impression of drones.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 7 November 2020 13: 21
              +5
              Drones are already a serious and effective weapon. Where they are not prepared, do not have a means of counteraction, they really can play a noticeable role.
              Moreover, drones perform two important tasks, reconnaissance and strike functions !!!
              In small conflicts, when the sides do not have an air defense system, an advantage in the number, quality, and variety of drones used can play a role.
              That's the way it is at the moment.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 7 November 2020 16: 50
                +6
                And they also help to significantly reduce losses in personnel, as well as preserve the resource of barrel artillery, as well as significantly reduce the consumption of ammunition for defeating one object - so that their advantage on the battlefield is unconditional.
            2. 113262a
              113262a 7 November 2020 14: 52
              +6
              Why sarcasm? Close colleagues, who returned from ... a cruise in Syria just a week ago, in chorus portrayed the impressions of Turkish and not only drones. All sizes and colors. It got to the point that two of the most eyed platoon were literally freed from most of the harness and ordered to LOOK ONLY UP! After all, crap the size of a crow drops either a grenade, or a makeshift bomb, or just directs the art. I missed it and went home in zinc. This is if they are small. And the big ones are really kapets. You notice these when they are already above your head, and they start working on the ground from 5-6 km. And at night, they are the masters of the situation. The same Bayraktar is very quiet, not louder than a car. Worst of all, it is absolutely unclear where to expect mischief.
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 7 November 2020 16: 04
                0
                I am in no way going to belittle the effectiveness of UAVs, and I completely agree with the opinion that they are the weapon of the future.
                I am just amused by the ridiculous hyperaffectation of some commentators.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 7 November 2020 18: 19
                  0
                  There is automation, mechanization, digitalization of both means and methods of warfare ... however, everything else is the same.
                  There is no longer to answer, to catch up, but to go ahead!
                  This is the only way to avoid heavy losses now, and then, even more so!
          2. orionvitt
            orionvitt 8 November 2020 07: 04
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            each topic has its own constant supporters and opponents! It's okay too.

            It's normal when it's normal. But when the enthusiasm for the "topic" (in this case, drones) turns into a fetish and deification, then vague doubts creep in. If not in the state of mind of some "experts", then in the level of expertise and knowledge, that's for sure.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 8 November 2020 09: 48
              +1
              Quote: orionvitt
              It's okay when it's okay

              The theme has "shot", promotion is in full swing!
              Nothing new ... there was a "hyperloop", "Tesla - a car on batteries", and all kinds of other things ... there will be the next.
              And the fans, not from great knowledge, understanding, want to be involved, at least in words, because there are no achievements of their own!
              This is not even a pathology, it just happens, very often.
      2. Machito
        Machito 7 November 2020 12: 33
        -3
        Quote: Turanov
        In connection with the increase in the number of Russian nuclear submarines going on combat duty in the world ocean,

        And how did you want "gentlemen", you are already threatening us in plain text and besieging Russia from all sides and picking from the inside too ..
        Soon "Poseidons" will be put on duty .. How will you search? bully

        Send Marines with scuba diving to okiyany.
        1. Turanov
          Turanov 7 November 2020 13: 18
          -4
          Quote: Bearded
          Send Marines with scuba diving to okiyany.

          As it is remembered in the days of the USSR, they were already sent .. None of them surfaced hi
          1. Machito
            Machito 7 November 2020 14: 06
            -2
            Quote: Turanov
            Quote: Bearded
            Send Marines with scuba diving to okiyany.

            As it is remembered in the days of the USSR, they were already sent .. None of them surfaced hi

            How to say. Quite the opposite. It doesn't sink.
    2. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 7 November 2020 11: 35
      +8
      Quote: rocket757
      Boats need to be covered, this has long been understood, but ......

      The submarine must be covered both under water, on water and in the air .....!
      a question to those who hate all aircraft carriers ...... - what?)) .... well, how to cover the nuclear submarine base areas? .... when such Reapers are constantly hanging in the air? 2800 flies in our direction and the same amount back ... and they will be able to launch from aircraft carriers ((....
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 7 November 2020 12: 38
        +1
        those. is it better to drive the AUG there and so that the Americans drown it? Isn't that funny? Not to mention that the construction of 3 AUG will be too expensive .. The solution to the problems of air hunters is simple - the development of robotic submarines with anti-aircraft missiles on board + equipping nuclear submarines with similar missiles underwater launch .. we launch it through the TA as a caliber, after the climb, the seeker and the Spiral mode are turned on, then the rocket detects the drone / helicopter / aircraft is guided and attacks it like a conventional anti-aircraft missile ..
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 7 November 2020 13: 27
          0
          Everything must be approached wisely.
          Covering measures can be different, the main thing is that they were effective and did not go beyond our capabilities.
          The military is always at risk, this is the share that everyone chooses ITSELF!
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 7 November 2020 13: 28
            -2
            Well, it goes without saying .. there really is an important point - no one will walk under the tail of the enemy ships .. Now, yes, they do, to work out the most difficult options, and in case of war, strikes will be delivered from the maximum distance, since the missiles allow it. That is why the Americans are silent about the same Zircon ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 7 November 2020 13: 32
              0
              The Yankees are always buzzing when our strike equipment gets closer to them.
              I just remembered how they were roasted when our rockets were placed in their backyards !!!
              1. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 7 November 2020 13: 41
                -2
                so the senators are buzzing, but here the military is silent, because if there is really zircon and it really can be put on the nuclear submarine, and if they are still prepared for launching through the TA ... they will be sad ... in fact it will mean beating their AUG ..
                1. Fizik M
                  Fizik M 7 November 2020 18: 16
                  -1
                  Quote: Boris Chernikov
                  because if zircon really is

                  fool
                  however YOUR fly agarics are strong wassat
                  just don't forget to have a snack lol
                  and GOST RV 203 look, - development stage angry
                  Quote: Boris Chernikov
                  zircon is really there and it really can be put on the Premier League, and if they are still prepared for launching through TA.

                  fool
                  with this - in KASCHENKO
            2. Fizik M
              Fizik M 7 November 2020 18: 13
              -1
              Quote: Boris Chernikov
              no one will walk under the tail of the enemy ships ... now yes, they do, to work out the most difficult options

              fool
              Is it for YOU from "Hlubin Atlantyky" that weird, or "ducks in a divan sang"?
              What about this is written in the "Instructions for the control of nuclear submarines" do you know?
              Quote: Boris Chernikov
              strikes will be delivered from the maximum distance - the benefit of the rocket allows it

              YOU forgot about PURPOSE
          2. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 7 November 2020 13: 35
            -1
            but I personally like the idea of ​​drones with anti-aircraft weapons ..
        2. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 7 November 2020 14: 00
          -1
          Quote: Boris Chernikov
          submarines with anti-aircraft missiles

          A pack of beaters will always outplay a single boat. Any anti-aircraft missiles, anti-ship missiles and any other missiles.
          It is necessary to cover the area, incl. and from the air.
          The aircraft carrier is beyond us now. But a dozen or two large UAVs are easy. Let there also be hunters for boats, plus interceptors of foreign drones, and let our flock hang over the area constantly, not letting strangers there.
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 7 November 2020 16: 00
            -5
            lol .. "big UAVs" .. just imagine .. you make a plane the size of a 747 Boeing .. send it several thousand kilometers ... to be shot down immediately .. you have nowhere to put money? a drone-submarine with missiles is so good that it will be cheaper, it is more secretive and can arrange a sabotage by launching several missile-drones that will clean up the area ... and you think ... the enemy is there or sabotage to distract attention ... submarines have always been appreciated for the stealth and surprise of the strike ... so you need to remake the caliber by equipping it with a guidance radar like missiles for the Buk ... with a range of the missile itself of a couple of hundred km and a reduced warhead, this will make the necessary holes for submarines
            1. Fizik M
              Fizik M 7 November 2020 18: 18
              +1
              Quote: Boris Chernikov
              a drone-submarine with missiles is so good that it will be cheaper, it is more secretive and can arrange a sabotage

              state-of-the-art - only in YOUR bathroom lol
              Quote: Boris Chernikov
              remake the caliber by equipping it with a guidance radar like missiles for the Buk

              monsieur before tearing up the trampoline lol the difference in performance characteristics of the GOS anti-ship missiles and anti-aircraft guided missiles ask
              especially in conjunction with such a parameter as opening angle of the seeker
              1. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 00: 04
                -1
                laughing those. turn on the brain and that the GOS can be replaced, it’s difficult to think? but yes .. you have all the brains only "I wasn’t told, so it’s not" and "I wasn’t shown, cut everything and stop building" ... "expert")
                1. Fizik M
                  Fizik M 8 November 2020 00: 21
                  +3
                  Quote: Boris Chernikov
                  that the GOS can be replaced by thinking difficult?

                  wassat
                  RYAL AKI HORSE
                  silly, you AT LEAST ONCE instead of your "olginskaya murzilka", at least open GOST 203 - so, at least a bit try to understand what DEVELOPMENT is (and, by the way, replacing a component part of the product, and what it means in terms of the amount of work)
                  1. Boris Chernikov
                    Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 00: 24
                    -3
                    oh how ... that is. once the "body" mine said "that you can not" means you can not do anything .. oh yeah .. you need to immediately curtail all the work .. need to do torpedoes .. you have eternal pain for them. I remember how you demanded to stop building Borei, because something seemed to you wrong with the Maces ... I suppose he also wrote a "note"? It's good that they didn't listen to you ... otherwise you would have had to not build boats for a whole year ... for the fact that something seemed to one journalist)
                    1. Fizik M
                      Fizik M 8 November 2020 00: 52
                      +3
                      Quote: Boris Chernikov
                      mine said "what is impossible"

                      silly ... lol
                      "for reference" - we have some anti-ship missiles have a special mode of exclusion of capture and guidance to air targets, and very long ago
                      Quote: Boris Chernikov
                      you demanded to stop building Boreas

                      Will you bring PROOF to this? I mean LITERALLY my phrase (and not WRONG you)
                      Quote: Boris Chernikov
                      not that with Maces ..

                      and cho, did you fly with the Pacific Fleet Bulava? eh?
                      1. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 01: 02
                        -2
                        but what, Maces do not fly? or do you need, as you demanded, "to stop construction" until the check and test launches are carried out?) And all why? but because nobody told Minochka about the missiles, so it seemed to him that the missiles did not fly ... ah ah .. in general, you continue to tell everyone that you are the most "smart", maybe someone will behave and will praise, since your career in the navy did not work out, and the journalist did not come out of you sensible ... from empty to empty current and pour
                      2. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 8 November 2020 01: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        you demanded "cease construction"

                        I demanded SUSPENSIONS construction and PROJECT DEVELOPMENT (as having serious design flaws)
                        Bunny Borya, did you have a "bottle of Pepsi" instead of Russian? lol
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        Can't maces fly?

                        yes, how would it be softer ...
                        Something was written here by the participators, not very pleasant for "BulaFa"
                        I am I am just stating the FACT that, SO far, there was NOT a SINGLE START from the Pacific Fleet (despite the requirements of the governing documents)
                        PTC ...
                      3. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 01: 12
                        -1
                        oh yes .. "suspend the project" for a whole year, because one crew did not launch the rocket .. and you imagined something) .. oh yes .. you are not kept in the know .. "important expert" what and how will) lol
                      4. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 8 November 2020 01: 15
                        +3
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        oh yeah .. "suspend the project" for a whole year because one crew didn't launch the rocket.

                        bunny, yes you are absolutely "mind of that"
                        NOT BECAUSE OF THE BULA (she is "SEPARATE")
                        and because of "FINS" (because there the asshole will be complete)
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        an expert

                        yes, EXPERT
                        ONR-2030 on the subject was developed by me
                        as well as documents for the meeting of the military-industrial complex on the topic in 2013.

                        alas, "SuperPacket / Lasta" is ALREADY IMPOSSIBLE - because on January 7, there was no key specialist for the development of a new ECS for a promising product (Myandina A.F.)
      2. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 7 November 2020 19: 28
        +1
        Quote: Boris Chernikov
        So I imagine ... you are making a plane the size of a 747 Boeing ... you send it several thousand kilometers ... to be shot down immediately.

        Why thousands of kilometers?
        The area where our boats are deployed is practically our territorial waters. Ten AN-24-sized drones are much cheaper than one submarine of any size. Aircraft detection / guidance systems are also much easier to organize, and so are air-to-air missiles.
        In fact, it is only necessary to cover the exit from the bases and a small "puddle".
        We have few anti-submarine ships, and they are old. The submarines seem to be new, but there are also few of them and they are not against American or Japanese women. There are no anti-submarine aircraft at all.
        While the submarine anti-aircraft missile idea is interesting, it is a weapon of despair and may not be the main option.
        A constant air patrol practically excludes the presence of "Poseidons"
  2. Fizik M
    Fizik M 7 November 2020 18: 10
    +1
    Quote: Boris Chernikov
    Solving the problems of air hunters simple-development of robotic submarines with anti-aircraft missiles

    fool
    YOU are eagerly awaited in kashchenko wassat with YOUR "simple" project lol
    Quote: Boris Chernikov
    after the climb, the seeker and the Spiral mode are turned on, then the rocket detects the drone / helicopter / airplane is guided and attacks it like a conventional anti-aircraft missile ..

    now if you please with calculations
    and don't forget the opening angle of the seeker missile defense system
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 00: 06
      -2
      well, you were released along the way with a certificate, since you know how it is there and what) .. By the way, is your "high qualification" when you left the navy as an insult? go write articles further in the style of "everything is lost!" it's money that pays ... but it's not yours to think)
      1. Fizik M
        Fizik M 8 November 2020 00: 13
        +1
        Quote: Boris Chernikov
        well you

        well, you - you will talk to your goat
        if mom and dad didn't teach you how to speak

        Quote: Boris Chernikov
        "high qualification"

        bunny, you in the document (about me) Head of the operational management of the Navy to stick?
        Quote: Boris Chernikov
        did you leave the navy as an insult?

        Monsieur, YOUR RADIANTS, please, in a jar, and in Kashchenko lol
        Quote: Boris Chernikov
        you get paid for it.

        taking into account how you (with your IQ in the region of thirty wassat ) here you tear the dupu, they will skiyat you to Holgin regularly lol
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 00: 15
          -2
          lol, why did you turn on the offense? Or is it just Mr. Mina who can be rude to everyone, and you can't even poke the answer?) about "poking" .. remind me how many years ago you were asked to go for a walk from the fleet?)
          1. Fizik M
            Fizik M 8 November 2020 00: 35
            +3
            Quote: Boris Chernikov
            offended

            bunny, you messed something up
            deep purple on YOU
            so, I'm giving out slaps
            Quote: Boris Chernikov
            go for a walk from the fleet

            fool
            YOU are at the wrong address, I have no medical education, so in "kashchenko" YOU with impatiently waiting lol
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 00: 41
              -2
              oh yes, I noticed. how do you like "violet" .. yeah, straight .. by the way .. funny, you say that "I have no medical education" .. but then you turn on the "expert" again .. so if you don't know , then you better keep quiet, otherwise you remember about Kashchenko three times already) In general, standard communication with Mina the insulted: first, squeals about "you don't know anything! I know everything! I'm an expert !!" When asked to answer the fact and the arguments, screams and insults about "you don't know anything! I know! I write everything to them!" .. It is interesting to know ... in which research institute you work now and in what position are you such an important specialist? they listen to you ... oh yeah .. nowhere and by anyone ... In general, how is it in the song?

              "If you don't answer,
              We will write ... to Sportloto! "

              Come on, heal
              1. Fizik M
                Fizik M 8 November 2020 00: 45
                +3
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                Interesting to know ... in

                I do not give
                As for the "texture", there was just an "exchange of views and courtesies" with an officer of one of the OU of the Northern Fleet Alserzm, and there clearly
                - this is so, slightly and slightly
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 7 November 2020 15: 29
    +1
    Quote: Tiksi-3
    and will be able to launch from aircraft carriers ((....

    The Reaper does not start from the aircraft carrier, the ILC has no aircraft carriers at all, and the article about the ILC
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 7 November 2020 11: 42
    +5
    Quote: rocket757
    but our enemies also hunt the net, they make everything denser.

    That's right, the nets are being thrown tight. The range is also serious about 1000 miles, although the speed is small, and there is no sea-based yet, but only coastal. With all the pros and cons, the weapon is very serious.
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 7 November 2020 11: 58
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      and so far there is no sea-based, but only coastal

      they abandoned the naval version of the MQ-9 Reaper in favor of another drone - the MQ-4C Triton, the Sea Guardian UAV will be in service with the USMC. One of the conditions is sea-based, so don't wait long!
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 November 2020 12: 00
        +1
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        One of the conditions is sea-based, so don't wait long!

        Not for long, in 5 years, and we will forget about these, new ones, much more perfect, will come out.
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 7 November 2020 12: 22
          -2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Not for long, in 5 years, and we will forget about these, new ones, much more perfect, will come out.

          that's for sure, in 10 years there will already be unmanned nuclear submarines ... skynet is waiting in the wings))
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 7 November 2020 12: 40
            -1
            The US Navy plans to purchase 140-240 unmanned surface and submarine ships. The nuclear submarine is certainly too much, but the trend is clear.
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 7 November 2020 12: 27
          -4
          Quote: tihonmarine
          new ones will come out much more perfect.

          I don’t think so. MQ-9 and MQ-4 have achieved technical excellence in their classes, no one in the world has yet reached their level. Will be upgrading only.
          They are now concentrated in other UAV classes.
        3. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 7 November 2020 18: 45
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Not for long, in 5 years, and we will forget about these, new ones, much more perfect, will come out.

          do not think that I'm digging, but the article says that this is a project. are going to try ... not some "new" ones in 5 years, but these are not yet available request and MQ-4 is not a cheap pleasure (120 lyamas apiece for 2015), and by the way not fresh yes Is it like the Iranians shot him down? wink
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 7 November 2020 11: 58
      +2
      There is no particular choice, we will have to defend ourselves far from our shores. And close, control and countermeasures must be kept ready.
      It won't be easy.
    3. Turanov
      Turanov 7 November 2020 12: 06
      -1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      With all the pros and cons, the weapon is very serious.

      Fart vomits in some here, as much as spray goes in all directions ..
      Hurray to shout early Vlad, but the adversaries screamed in convulsions and that's good!
      You just can't take Russia. Everyone on the Great October holiday, who is in the subject! soldier
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 November 2020 12: 40
        +2
        Quote: Turanov
        All with the holiday men of the Great October, who are in the subject!

        I congratulate everyone who remembers, honors, does not forget our history and our Great October Revolution.
  • sabakina
    sabakina 7 November 2020 12: 05
    -1
    Quote: rocket757
    Sho say the ocean is great
    Victor prYuvet! Not only is it great, but humanity knows less about the ocean than about space. wink
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 7 November 2020 12: 25
      +2
      Hi Vyacheslav soldier
      Quote: sabakina
      mankind knows less about the ocean than about space.

      A person wants to consider himself ... in different ways. Now the crown of nature, now the master of the world, or even the lord of the universe!
      In short, our fantasy is exuberant, but reality, constantly, puts a dot on it and our fantasies are broken against the reality of being.
      The ocean is great and diverse! Our knowledge about him is very ... shallow, coastal.
      Unfortunately, we spend too much time and energy on destruction, and not on knowledge of the world, alas.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 7 November 2020 12: 27
    0
    So, in response, place a small unmanned vehicle on a submarine, such as a high-altitude kamikaze, so that the reaper can be found with the help of optics and brought down with a ramming strike.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 7 November 2020 12: 40
      0
      A promising option. Make him an underwater launch, remote, control via satellites !!! This is a task for our designers and of course, roskosmos ...
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 7 November 2020 12: 42
        -5
        Quote: rocket757
        A promising option. Make him an underwater launch, remote, control via satellites !!! This is a task for our designers and of course, roskosmos ...

        Connect to the system "Dead Hand" .. And let them shake soldier
  • Subtext
    Subtext 7 November 2020 13: 16
    0
    It looks like it can take 40 RGAB, and that's it ... according to the load. Then the second one with a weapon. Nice tandem.
  • K298rtm
    K298rtm 7 November 2020 21: 44
    0
    You need to cover the bikini area. And submarines need to ensure combat stability
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 7 November 2020 11: 32
    +3
    Earlier it was reported that the US Navy abandoned the naval version of the MQ-9 Reaper in favor of another drone - the MQ-4C Triton, the Sea Guardian UAV will be in service with the US ILC. The case is considering the option of equipping the drone with special anti-submarine weapons, including small underwing sonars.

    With strong funding, the state officials can allow quite quickly both to develop and put into service new models of UAVs.
  • Gato
    Gato 7 November 2020 11: 35
    -3
    Who hasn’t hunted Russian submarines yet?
    The Coast Guard seems to have already checked in. We must also involve the institute of sheriffs and the Federal Reserve lol Moreover, they have had a similar experience since WW2, when they caught German submariners in port pubs.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 November 2020 11: 39
    0
    The Marine Corps (USMC) intends to join the "hunt for Russian submarines."
    Everyone hunts exclusively with their own "gun". Usually they go hunting with a proven and friendly company. As a huntsman, you need to take the Scandinavians - they are great "experts" in the search for Russian submarines of various classes. Sometimes they chased for years and even tried to catch them, but either the boats turned out to be NATO, or the ghosts, which seemed to exist, but they did not seem to exist.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 November 2020 11: 56
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      As a huntsman, you need to take the Scandinavians - they are great "experts" in the search for Russian submarines of various classes.

      After Karlskrona, the Svens screamed as if they had been stung in a soft spot, until the collapse of the USSR.
      Well, in reality, these drones will be along the entire coast of Norway with a range of 1000 miles. Almost blocking all routes of Russian nuclear submarines in the North. And not only nuclear submarines, they can monitor a significant area of ​​the Arctic. Unpleasant "bees" will be in the neighborhood.
  • flicker
    flicker 7 November 2020 11: 43
    -8
    The United States has chosen a new hunter for Russian submarines
    While they hunt for our submarines, they will lose their allies (England and Israel) bully
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 7 November 2020 11: 44
    -1
    This is what you've thought of! Since this is the Marine Corps, then let them search with a hook. Soon the construction battalion will also "join the hunt for submarines."
    1. Toucan
      Toucan 7 November 2020 12: 00
      +1
      Regarding the USMC, this is most likely a fantasy of the author of the "news".
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 7 November 2020 11: 50
    +4
    It's a shame that we have nothing like this,
    and all PLA aircraft are from the last century.
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 7 November 2020 18: 20
      0
      1.a variant of the PLO-board for the Su-34 + for the UAV was envisaged
      2.With the departure (at the end of the year) of Kozhin (and a number of other people), chances appeared
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 7 November 2020 18: 30
        +4
        Quote: Fizik M
        PLO-side variant for Su-34

        Su-34 cannot be an PLO aircraft.
        His destiny is a missile carrier.
        An example of a modern platform for PLO and
        various types of reconnaissance - P-8 Poseidon.
        While it's time to develop UAVs for PLO areas
        basing and routes of our boats,
        setting and control of fields (barriers) RSL,
        with the transmission of data on the operation of the buoys to the shock
        forces.
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 7 November 2020 18: 46
          -1
          Quote: Bez 310
          Su-34 cannot be an PLO aircraft.

          not only can, but also MUST
          moreover, it was PUT INTO IT FROM THE BEGINNING (back in the USSR)
          and in air defense, by the way, it also turns out to be very good, for example, in repelling a massive attack on the base (and not only)
          1. Fizik M
            Fizik M 7 November 2020 18: 58
            -1
            in the sense as a MARINE MULTI-PURPOSE BOMBER-BOMBER
            in air defense, by the way, it is also very useful - the ability to lift the "GRUD" UR-VV, which is important, for example, for repelling a CD strike on the base
          2. Bez 310
            Bez 310 7 November 2020 19: 04
            0
            Quote: Fizik M
            not only can, but also MUST

            I will not argue, there is no point.
            The Americans and we did not create large ASW planes in vain.
            1. Fizik M
              Fizik M 7 November 2020 19: 11
              0
              Quote: Bez 310
              The Americans and we did not create large ASW planes in vain.

              34 does not negate the big
              he has his own tactical niche
              for example, "on call" or in the area where 38 bang immediately
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 7 November 2020 19: 28
                +1
                I had to be inside the Il-38 and Tu-142.
                You can't fit that much equipment into the Su-34.
                Okay, let's not ...
                1. Fizik M
                  Fizik M 7 November 2020 19: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Bez 310
                  I had to be inside the Il-38 and Tu-142.
                  You can't fit that much equipment into the Su-34.

                  of course
                  so at 34 you need to shove SOFT (software) + change something about the hardware of the "board" (this is necessary and for basic tasks on a "new level")
                  by the way, the location of the crew nearby is very conducive to this revision
                  PLO and buoys - in overhead containers

                  + The "ideology" of working with the RSAB is fundamentally new (alas, we are in a "very lagging behind-catching position" here), GK 34 (Martirosov) and 38 were in the know wink
                  1. Bez 310
                    Bez 310 7 November 2020 19: 45
                    0
                    Quote: Fizik M
                    the ideology of "working with the RSAB is a fundamentally new

                    That's enough.
                    I am a realist, and I do not understand what a "new ideology" is.
                    1. Fizik M
                      Fizik M 7 November 2020 19: 48
                      0
                      Quote: Bez 310
                      I am a realist, and I do not understand what a "new ideology" is.

                      1. I will not publicly discuss the "new liability"
                      2. However, the main option - "illuminated" - with the use of LFR (with f radiation "much lower" than usual for RGAB), while passive RGAB are used as elements of a large antenna (of course, a positioning problem arises here, and it is far from always possible to solve it " as usual "through the radar)

                      in the west it appeared in the second half of the 80s, and became widespread in the 90s
                    2. Fizik M
                      Fizik M 8 November 2020 00: 07
                      +1
                      something

                      https://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=458&p=10#p923928

                      https://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=458&p=11#p1001991



                      there is also Semenov next to it https://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=2247
                  2. georg 2
                    georg 2 7 November 2020 23: 45
                    +1
                    + "ideology" of working with RSAB is fundamentally new

                    But from this place in more detail, if possible.
                    1. Fizik M
                      Fizik M 8 November 2020 00: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: georg 2
                      But from this place in more detail

                      Mr. Bukovsky, I do not intend to communicate with YOU before YOU apologize (I hope I do not need to remind YOU for what?).
                      Only GUN. For what there is. For example, "continuing to scribble a machine gun" (sorry, "Ritsa") with the wires Torn from the GAK belay Article on "Ritsa" and UPA - in the "clip".

                      First, re-read what was in "Spolokh" YOU HAVE YOURSELF (although the choice of BH was extremely incorrect). True, it is not a fact that Kuryshev himself read this, at least when I poked him into this (HIS OWN SIGNATURES under the regimes which he declared "sabotage" in other letters) at G.A. Suchkov, he was in "great confusion". I believe that the initiator was not you (your group), due to the extremely low tactical level and knowledge of modern trends in the development of search tools, but ZAM GC for RGS "Zarechya" wink (and not as it was written in your opuses request )
                      1. georg 2
                        georg 2 9 November 2020 04: 23
                        0
                        That is, we do not want to talk about the essence of the questions asked. Sorry. All your showdowns with Kuryshev, his signatures and other "freaks" to one place for me. Ritsa, with all its tattered wires and results, is history. It must be accepted as it was, as, for example, the revolution of 17. "Ritsa" has played its definite role in improving the efficiency of g / a funds and it is not for you to judge her. If no one really understands the principles of its algorithms, it's not our fault. What was implemented there still has a very high potential. I will say more, as of today there are no algorithms more efficient than Ritz's ones, though with some refinement. To one degree or another, both our and our "friends" are trying to implement Ritsa's ideas in modern g / a systems. The implementation algorithms are different, but the essence is about the same. The implementation of low-frequency illumination, which you are so concerned about, may not be bad, in itself, but it has its drawbacks and how the search system loses to a purely passive scheme at the stage of searching for submarines using the RSL BPA. The entropy method, or information-adaptive, in this sense, has undeniable advantages and very good potential for very low-noise purposes. Yes, and yet, I have nothing to do with "Spolokh". Do not try to "hang" on me all that Kuryshev did, I am not responsible for his work. I can only answer for what I did, though you don't know that. And you have nothing to do with it. So, either we are talking about the case, or ... And then there’s nothing to talk about, they carry such a blizzard that sometimes you wonder.
                      2. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 9 November 2020 10: 42
                        0
                        Quote: georg 2
                        That is, we do not want to talk about the essence of the questions asked.

                        as usual YOU LIE
                        I have already said enough, but YOU, as usual, pretend that "you have not seen anything"
                        Quote: georg 2
                        uryshev, his signatures and other "tricks" to one place

                        lol
                        in the Word the number of YOUR (personal) characters written about "up to one place" lol counts in seconds
                        Quote: georg 2
                        and it's not for you to judge her

                        firstly - to you
                        and secondly - to me, I have both experience and knowledge, and moral right
                        Quote: georg 2
                        If no one really understands the principles of its algorithms, it's not our fault

                        lying again
                        Quote: georg 2
                        I will say more, for today there are no algorithms more efficient than Ritz's

                        fool
                        Quote: georg 2
                        The implementation of LF illumination, which you are so concerned about, may not be bad in itself, but it has its drawbacks and how the search system loses to a purely passive scheme at the stage of searching for submarines using the RSL BPA

                        LIE again
                        Quote: georg 2
                        The entropy method, or information-adaptive, in this sense, has undeniable advantages and very good potential for very low-noise purposes. Yes, and more, to "Spolokh"

                        YOU (personally) are not tired of this "GERBALIFE" yet?
                        Quote: georg 2
                        Do not try to "hang" on me all that Kuryshev did, I am not responsible for his work.

                        YOU probably had first of all his NEGOTIER?
                        Quote: georg 2
                        I can only answer for what I did, though you don't know that

                        1. I know
                        2. YOU have already answered
                      3. georg 2
                        georg 2 10 November 2020 02: 14
                        0
                        I have both experience and knowledge, and moral right

                        Forgive me, but I did not understand anything from what is written. You can write in Russian, and not in your gibberish language, not everyone understands it, excuse me. Judging by what you write, the knowledge is superficial, at least in matters related to digital processing, spectral analysis and the assessment of the real capabilities of the BPA means. It will not be enough to stand next to the cabin of acoustics, look at the screen of the spectrum analyzer, and read foreign literature on the relevant topic. I thought it would be a dialogue in essence. Wrong. Therefore, I consider further communication not productive. Usually, their incompetence is hidden behind aggressive and arrogant behavior. Sorry.
                      4. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 10 November 2020 02: 58
                        -1
                        Quote: georg 2
                        but I didn't understand anything

                        YOU ALL UNDERSTOOD PERFECTLY
                        don't pretend to be a "virgin girl"
                        more than enough has been said at the RPF
                        Quote: georg 2
                        Judging by what you write, knowledge is superficial,

                        Monsieur, YOU are already on fire lol
                        prepare a fire extinguisher Monsieur Spets and the LIAR Bukovsky, in my article on "Ritsa" YOU really need it (when I publicly THROUGH YOU in my specialty)
                        Quote: georg 2
                        in any case in matters related to digital processing, spectral analysis and the assessment of the real capabilities of the g / a means of the BPA.

                        more than a dozen Chief Designers on the topic have an opinion "for some reason" directly opposite to YOURS (which, taking into account YOUR denseness lol in hydroacoustics is not surprising)
                        Quote: georg 2
                        It will not be enough to stand next to the cabin of acoustics, look at the screen of the spectrum analyzer, and read foreign literature on relevant topics

                        - again squeals of "virgin girls" lol
                        where I was, what I saw (and PERSONALLY discovered) - I have said enough earlier
                        both on VO and on RPF
                        Quote: georg 2
                        I thought it would be a dialogue in essence.

                        fool
                        with you? Your inability to engage in such a dialogue (completely ignoring the arguments of your opponents and facts) YOU have already more than “signed” for the RPF.
                        Quote: georg 2
                        Therefore, I consider further communication not productive.

                        those. merge in advance
                        Quote: georg 2
                        Usually their incompetence is hidden behind aggressive and arrogant behavior.

                        Now YOU have absolutely accurately characterized YOURSELF.
                        And the fact that here YOU are trying to pretend to be an "innocent girl" is only for those who do not know. On the RPF behind my back, YOU there "sprinkled with drooling" enough
                        Quote: georg 2
                        It is a pity.

                        Yes, it is a pity
                        for something YOU really did, and as for YOUR memories (sometimes turning into frank OUTS), there is an interesting moment about one now undeservedly forgotten organization - I'm talking about the "Problem Laboratory under the Commander-in-Chief". In further articles on hydroacoustics, I will touch on it especially.
                      5. georg 2
                        georg 2 10 November 2020 03: 23
                        0
                        for something YOU really did

                        Praise to heaven! Maxim Klimov himself admitted that we really did something! I will carve it in granite and hang the stone in the frame on the wall. Such recognition is worth a lot.
                      6. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 10 November 2020 03: 26
                        -1
                        Quote: georg 2
                        Praise to heaven! Maxim Klimov himself admitted that we really did something! I will carve it in granite and hang the stone in the frame on the wall.

                        YOU stumble upon my posts where I wrote about this on the RPF earlier and immediately?
                2. georg 2
                  georg 2 10 November 2020 02: 54
                  0
                  firstly - to you

                  So you also have problems with the Russian language. Probably there was a troika in Russian at school. But this is easily fixed. I can recommend the reference book "Dictionary of the difficulties of the Russian language" by D.E. Rosenthal and M.A. Telenkova, everything is written very simply there.
                3. Fizik M
                  Fizik M 10 November 2020 03: 01
                  -1
                  Quote: georg 2
                  But this is easily fixed.

                  YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN WERE ATTENDED WITH A FIRE EXTINGUISHER wink
                  because after my article on "Ritsa" the "fillet" will "blaze" YOU in full laughing
                  Well, the EMERGENCY WEDGE will not hurt YOU either (for the same place) lol

                  YOU, Mr. Bukovsky, right now "poke your face" into how YOU were building a "virgin girl" from yourself when they took YOU by the collar and poked into the "price tags of the sale of the Motherland" (in "bucks") from "your"?
                4. georg 2
                  georg 2 10 November 2020 03: 17
                  0
                  in my article on "Ritsa"

                  It will be interesting to read. But I have a strong belief that you are confusing me with someone. Maybe with Kuryshev?
                  ignoring the arguments of opponents and facts

                  So far I have not heard any arguments or facts, nothing at all. And why such hatred for a stranger. Is this your usual state and way of dialogue? Life has beaten you hard.
                5. Fizik M
                  Fizik M 10 November 2020 03: 35
                  -1
                  Quote: georg 2
                  But I have a strong belief that you are confusing me with someone. Maybe with Kuryshev?

                  stop pretending to be a "girl"
                  I know who YOU ​​are, and I know (knew) Kuryshev and many
                  Quote: georg 2
                  And why such hatred for a stranger.

                  ANSWER
                  for YOUR nonsense behind me on the RPF
                  Quote: georg 2
                  Is this your usual state and way of dialogue?

                  I will remind YOU of YOUR "normal way of dialogue":
                  From 2503
                  To georg
                  Date 10.02.2011 19:49:51

                  is patriotism measured in "bucks"?
                  >> Why are you torturing yourself with self-promotion? Offer "Ritsu" to the Japanese, they love all kinds of "how-know". You look, secure yourself a comfortable old age ...
                  > Sorry, but I'm a patriot. Let them invent their own "Ritsu", make, test and put on their submarines. And giving it abroad is too fat.


                  I think that this link is familiar to you:
                  https://sites.google.com/site/tt1927/

                  From georg
                  К 2503 (10.02.2011 19:49:51)

                  I read it, interesting. HI did not understand the calculation of "bucks".

                  By nick191
                  K georg (10.02.2011 22:33:50)

                  Don't pretend. :about)))
                  There are also wonderful pictures with price tags.
                  For example:
                  Determination of the depth and range of source Price: $ 314.000
                  Neural Classifier from "Kuryshev" Price: $ 363.000
                  .
                  Adaptive method of detecting "Kuryshev" Price: $ 38.000
                  Completed projects, solutions for the implementation of turnkey Price: $ 12.000.000
                  E-mail for information and documents describing the project or topic
                  Contact name Mr. Theodosius

                6. georg 2
                  georg 2 10 November 2020 04: 02
                  0
                  Sorry, but I'm a patriot. Let them invent their own "Ritsu", make, test and put on their submarines. And giving it abroad is too fat.

                  And where is the sale here?
                  There are also wonderful pictures with price tags.
                  For example:
                  Determination of the depth and range of source Price: $ 314.000
                  Neural Classifier from "Kuryshev" Price: $ 363.000
                  .
                  Adaptive method of detecting "Kuryshev" Price: $ 38.000
                  Completed projects, solutions for the implementation of turnkey Price: $ 12.000.000
                  E-mail for information and documents describing the project or topic
                  Contact name Mr. Theodosius

                  I tell you that you always confuse me with someone. I am not Kuryshev and not Theodosius. Keep your fantasies to yourself. I don't compare you with Abramovich. By the way, when was this published? Write the date.
                7. Fizik M
                  Fizik M 10 November 2020 04: 06
                  -1
                  Quote: georg 2
                  I am not Kuryshev and not Theodosius.

                  I am perfectly aware that YOU are Bukovsky
                  and that these figures are Kuryshev's nephew (or who is he there for him?)
                  only here YOU personally, Mr. Bukovsky, tried to "turn on the fool" (which is like "you don’t know") while they didn’t take you by the collar and stumbled (even in this situation, YOU tried to pretend to be a “felt boot” when you saw clear and inconvenient facts )
                  Quote: georg 2
                  Write the date.

                  the date is there
                8. georg 2
                  georg 2 11 November 2020 01: 38
                  0
                  only YOU personally, Mr. Bukovsky, tried to "turn on the fool"

                  I left the north in 92 and did not deal with questions about our previous work. The group had all dispersed before that. What makes you think that I was aware 10 years after that, what was Kuryshev doing? Is your brain completely dry? I guessed that you are not Sherlock Holmes, but I did not think that you do not even reach the level of Dr. Watson in your logical reasoning. Your ability to make delusional conclusions based on the principle of certain assumptions is amazing. Live by the principle of a spoon, will there be a sediment? You are a provocateur and a scoundrel, and you have confirmed it again. You are not worthy of the honor of an officer. My conversation with you is over.
                9. Fizik M
                  Fizik M 11 November 2020 11: 47
                  -2
                  Quote: georg 2
                  I left the north in 92

                  those. story with "broken wires" belay ) on YOUR "conscience" (it is in quotes)?
                  Quote: georg 2
                  What makes you think that I was aware 10 years after that what Kuryshev was doing?

                  from the fact that it was AS MINIMUM discussed at the RPF, where YOU read it all
                  the document on "Spolokh" was laid out there
                  Quote: georg 2
                  Your ability to build delusional conclusions based on the principle of certain assumptions is amazing. Live by the principle of a spoon, will there be a sediment?

                  YOU wrote it for sure - ABOUT YOURSELF
                  ONCE AGAIN - YOUR "RITSA" WITH WIRES TORN OFF FROM THE HOOK WAS CONTINUED TO GIVE TARGETS. TChK
                  Quote: georg 2
                  You are not worthy of the honor of an officer.

                  this YOU monsieur is not an officer, but a LIEUCE and a swindler
  • APASUS
    APASUS 7 November 2020 11: 51
    +1
    This whole system is basically designed to search for a target in a known square. Refinement of data, practically detected target. The most dangerous systems for our boats are the US sonar anti-submarine system, for example (SOSUS) SOund SUrveillance System
  • Toucan
    Toucan 7 November 2020 11: 58
    0
    US Navy and Air Force, Marine Corps (USMC) intends to join the "hunt for Russian submarines."
    Is the US Marine Corps involved in anti-submarine missions? wassat
    1. K298rtm
      K298rtm 7 November 2020 21: 41
      +1
      The Marine Corps needs to provide PLO DESO during the passage by sea. The new device is one of the elements of the PLO system (in my humble opinion).
      1. Toucan
        Toucan 8 November 2020 00: 25
        +1
        Are you aware of what tasks are being set for the USMC and what the US Navy is doing? Since when did PLO become the prerogative of the ILC?
        1. Cympak
          Cympak 8 November 2020 01: 05
          +1
          So I'm wondering why the ILC is hunting for submarines? It is possible that this is part of a new doctrine (according to which the ILC has lost its tanks), providing for the seizure of the coast / islands with the subsequent deployment of long-range missile systems there.
          And the phrase about sonars: " The case is considering the option of equipping the drone with special anti-submarine weapons, including small underwing sonars. ", generally puzzling. I will assume that this is" translation difficulties "
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 7 November 2020 12: 12
    0
    "Everything that flies is mine!" Carlson's prototype spoke ...
  • Avior
    Avior 7 November 2020 13: 22
    +1
    ... The Marine Corps (USMC) intends to join the "hunt for Russian submarines."

    Who will join next? Firefighters with mine rescuers?
    Do the Marines have their own missions?
  • Operator
    Operator 7 November 2020 14: 48
    -3
    The statement about the use of consumable sonar buoys by an anti-submarine drone is nonsense.

    The anti-submarine UAV is a carrier of a quantum magnetometer with a detection range of a steel nuclear submarine with a displacement of 10000 tons at a distance of 5 km.

    Titanium NPA "Poseidon" with a displacement of 40 tons and a detection distance of 250 meters taxis.
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 7 November 2020 18: 38
      -1
      Quote: Operator
      The statement about the use of consumable sonar buoys by an anti-submarine drone is nonsense.

      fool
      RAVE wassat here you are (with a capital letter, considering how many Olginsky "sweats" by the nickname Dyusha O ...)
      As for the RGAB with UAVs, these are FACTS for a long time
      Quote: Operator
      The anti-submarine UAV is a carrier of a quantum magnetometer with a detection range of a steel nuclear submarine with a displacement of 10000 tons at a distance of 5 km.
      Titanium NPA "Poseidon" with a displacement of 40 tons and a detection distance of 250 meters taxis.

      wassat
      YOU are these analyzes wassat please, in a jar, and to the doctor
      he has been waiting for YOU for a long time lol
    2. frog
      frog 7 November 2020 18: 50
      -3
      Fall?? Or is there a problem overseas elections?
      1. Operator
        Operator 7 November 2020 19: 26
        -7
        We put a big and fat "Poseidon" on your choice bully
        1. frog
          frog 7 November 2020 19: 35
          +1
          No, the hike is not even autumn, but a permanent stay ...
          1. Operator
            Operator 7 November 2020 19: 38
            -7
            You know better under "Poseidon".
            1. frog
              frog 7 November 2020 19: 46
              +1
              Hardly. I have not seen perpetual motion machines and will not see them. And this bnya is just from this section
              1. Operator
                Operator 7 November 2020 20: 35
                -7
                And what else can you expect from life - with gerontological boobs and African American spill masks laughing
                1. frog
                  frog 7 November 2020 21: 38
                  +1
                  Well, what can I expect from life - glory to the Creator, it's not up to you to decide. Although in some ways you are right))) I've seen enough of such creators T.Z. And, unfortunately, not only me ....
        2. the Saint
          the Saint 7 November 2020 20: 44
          0
          Quote: Operator
          We put a big and fat "Poseidon" on your choice

          Russians rushed to buy US dollars on the eve of US elections lol

          Analysts at Russian Standard Bank recorded a sharp rise in purchases of dollars and euros ahead of the presidential elections in the United States. So, relative to the first decade of October, Russians' interest in US dollars increased by 35%, and in the euro only by 11%, according to the bank's research at the disposal of TASS.
          The peaks in the growth of foreign exchange rates occurred precisely in the last days of the month, just on the eve of the American elections, said Maxim Timoshenko, director of the department for operations in financial markets at Russian Standard Bank.
          1. Operator
            Operator 7 November 2020 21: 04
            -5
            Yes, yes, yes: they buy up, buy up, and the value of the dollar in rubles keeps falling and falling, and the size of the National Welfare Fund of the Russian Federation is going off scale laughing

            Read less analyteEGs with overseas permanent residence.
            1. frog
              frog 7 November 2020 21: 39
              0
              Let's see what you say in December .... Although it is well known, stability is such.
            2. the Saint
              the Saint 7 November 2020 21: 46
              +1
              Quote: Operator
              Yes, yes, yes: they buy up, buy up, and the value of the dollar in rubles keeps falling and falling, and the size of the National Welfare Fund of the Russian Federation is going off scale

              Yes, yes, yes: the national leader said the same thing in November 2014
              "We used to sell goods that cost $ 1, and received 32 rubles for it. But now we sold the goods for a dollar, and received 45 rubles. Budget revenues have increased, not decreased."
              1. Operator
                Operator 7 November 2020 22: 32
                -8
                Well, finally it came to pass: filling the budget and funds through the inflation tax and increasing the competitiveness of domestic production.

                Financing of the Russian military-industrial complex will continue to be stable.
    3. georg 2
      georg 2 7 November 2020 23: 41
      +1
      The statement about the use of consumable sonar buoys by an anti-submarine drone is nonsense.

      Andrey, you are not in the subject on this issue. The use of RSL UAVs is our near future, I hope. Otherwise, we will not see luck.
      The anti-submarine UAV is a carrier of a quantum magnetometer with a detection range of a steel nuclear submarine with a displacement of 10000 tons at a distance of 5 km.

      Here you are not at all in the subject, you were not even close.
      1. Operator
        Operator 8 November 2020 12: 02
        -3
        The use of RSL is harmful to UAVs for two reasons:
        - the carrying capacity of a drone is several times less than that of an anti-submarine aircraft, therefore, the drone's ability to search for a submarine will be several times less than its flight range;
        - the drone can carry the RSL only on an external sling, which multiplies the aerodynamic resistance and, accordingly, the duration of the drone's flight.

        The magnetometer operates throughout the entire flight path of the drone and is located in its glider or in a streamlined container with minimal air resistance.

        For example, the Russian ultralight aeromagnetic complex based on a UAV and a quantum magnetometer with a rubidium magnetosensitive sensor "Geoscan 401 Geofizika"
        https://www.geoscan.aero/ru/products/geoscan401/geophysics

        There are also much more advanced superconducting quantum magnetometers (SQUIDs).
        1. georg 2
          georg 2 9 November 2020 03: 27
          +2
          The use of RSL is harmful to UAVs

          Well, this is your personal opinion. However, this is the future. Regarding the magnetometer and SQUIDs. This is not a search tool, but to clarify what the RSL and an additional classification device have found. Has little effectiveness in real conditions. It is used exclusively as an additional tool to the main search engines.
          1. Operator
            Operator 9 November 2020 12: 32
            -4
            The link to the "small efficiency" of SQUIDs, plz.
            1. Bersaglieri
              Bersaglieri 9 November 2020 16: 21
              0
              Range, fool. Learn physics :)
            2. georg 2
              georg 2 10 November 2020 02: 29
              +1
              A link to the "low efficiency" of SQUIDs

              SQUIDs, like the magnetometers installed on the Orion, Poseidon, IL38 aircraft, have short detection ranges in real conditions and are essentially critical to interference. Real marks from the submarine can be obtained only if you fly almost over the submarine. Under conditions of a priori uncertainty, this must be done several times. Therefore, these systems are not effective as a search tool.
              1. Operator
                Operator 10 November 2020 08: 29
                -2
                Give a web link that SQUIDs have the same detection range as non-superconducting magnetometers installed on Orion, Poseidon and Il-38 anti-submarine aircraft (detection range of 10-Ktn nuclear submarines ~ 500 meters).
      2. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 9 November 2020 16: 23
        +1
        Yes, Andryusha is not in the subject at all in any material he posts. Ever since the days of "Airbase". He is fantastic. But only normal science fiction writers understand that they are writing science fiction, and Andryusha thinks that this is reality :) Almost like Maxim Kalashnikov, only less productive in terms of "waste paper"
  • Old26
    Old26 7 November 2020 15: 38
    +6
    Quote: Boris Chernikov
    those. is it better to drive AUG there and so that the Americans drown it? It's not funny themselves?

    Do you think it's so easy to do this without using nuclear weapons? That's it for the destruction of the AUG in the USSR


    Quote: Boris Chernikov
    Not to mention that the construction of 3 AUG will be too expensive.

    Expensive. But will the situation cost us even more if the deployment areas are not covered?

    Quote: Boris Chernikov
    The solution to the problems of air hunters is simple - the development of submarine robots with anti-aircraft missiles on board + equipping nuclear submarines similar to underwater launch missiles ... we launch through the TA as a caliber, after climb, the GOS and the Spiral mode are turned on, then the rocket detects the Drone / helicopter / aircraft is guided and attacks its like an ordinary anti-aircraft missile ..

    Is the solution to the problem of air hunters simple? Take a robot boat, equip it with anti-aircraft missiles and all business. Are all the drones knocking down?
    How will such a robot boat move? By ANN? Or else by what system? And how will a submerged boat know that a drone / helicopter / plane is circling above it? Further. What characteristics will anti-aircraft missiles have with a length of 6-7 meters? What will be the range or reach in height in order to reach at least the level at which these means can be located.
    The seeker is of course good, but what is the detection range of this head. What is the inspection area of ​​this GOS? In addition, the spiral requires a large supply of fuel, which cannot be a priori on an anti-aircraft missile fired from a TA ... So all this is fantasy and nothing more.

    Quote: Boris Chernikov
    because if the zircon is really there and it is really put on the nuclear submarine, and if they are still prepared for launching through the TA ... then they will be sad ... in fact this will mean beating their AUG ..

    Launch from a TA with a maximum caliber of 650 mm a rocket in a container with a diameter of approximately 720 mm? Will you hammer him into the TA with a sledgehammer ?. From submarine "Zircon" can be started only when using special launchers
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 November 2020 16: 55
      -2
      In the future, dozens of unmanned Lir analogs will be built, and they will cover all our areas of duty of nuclear submarines, and there maybe a special air defense missile system based on Thor is suitable for launching from submarines.
      1. Fizik M
        Fizik M 7 November 2020 19: 21
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        In the future, dozens of unmanned Lear analogs will be made, and they will

        YOU are somehow modest today lol
        go directly to the main part - "flying saucers", "death stars"
      2. georg 2
        georg 2 10 November 2020 02: 36
        0
        will cover all our areas of duty of nuclear submarines

        Who will tell you, or anyone else, about the areas of duty of the nuclear submarine. What are the drones cover. Well, be more serious.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 7 November 2020 16: 14
    0
    Triton is a jet drone.
    Here's how it looks.


    And here is a photo in flight

    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 7 November 2020 18: 55
      0
      right.
      and also like this:

      the Iranians showed ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 7 November 2020 20: 48
        +4
        Has he somehow become worse because the Iranians shot him down? smile
        Triton is an unmanned strategic reconnaissance aircraft.
        And to shoot it down is as easy as a Boeing or Il-20.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 7 November 2020 21: 35
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Has he somehow become worse because the Iranians shot him down?

          Well, judging by the Iranian photos, it has become very worse relative to what is in your photos. completely broken ... but this is normal for destroyed equipment request
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Triton is an unmanned strategic reconnaissance aircraft.
          And to shoot it down is as easy as a Boeing or Il-20.

          actually this is what I wanted to convey to the audience wink
    2. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse 7 November 2020 21: 09
      0
      It can be noted that, unlike the Reaper, Triton is a pure scout, not pretending to shock functions.

      The main question is - what does it mean for the sailors of the anti-submarine sailors in the first place immediately rose?