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The terms of launching the regular carrier "Poseidons"

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The terms of launching the regular carrier "Poseidons"

The first full-time carrier of Poseidon strategic drones - Project 09851 Khabarovsk special-purpose nuclear submarine - will be launched in the first half of 2021. This was reported by TASS with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.


The withdrawal of the Khabarovsk submarine from the Sevmash shipyard is planned for the spring - summer of next year. Then the factory sea trials of the submarine will begin.

- Said the source agency.

There is no official confirmation of this information. Earlier, some Russian media, citing their own sources, reported that the launch of the Khabarovsk nuclear submarine of project 09851 will take place in the spring or summer of 2020, and its entry into the Russian Navy is scheduled for 2022.

It should be noted that the Khabarovsk nuclear submarine will be a regular carrier of unmanned underwater vehicles and, according to unconfirmed reports, will be able to carry at least six Poseidons on board. At the same time, Project 949A Antey, the multipurpose nuclear submarine Belgorod, specially converted for Poseidons and launched on April 23, 2019, will be an experimental carrier.

The Khabarovsk project was developed at the Rubin Central Design Bureau (TsKB), the submarine itself was laid down at Sevmash in July 2014. The technical details of the project are not reported.

The Poseidon strategic submarine is designed to engage a variety of targets, including carrier groups and coastal fortifications. The apparatus is equipped with a nuclear power plant. It is capable of diving to a depth of over 1 km and has an unlimited range. It can be armed with a 2 megaton nuclear warhead.

Note that earlier it was reported about the plans of the Ministry of Defense to adopt up to 32 underwater unmanned vehicles "Poseidon", in the future, build four underwater carriers for them. According to the plans of the military department, two submarines with drones should be deployed in the North and Pacific fleets.
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  1. PN
    PN 7 November 2020 09: 18
    -1
    Well this is not an official statement. I think the second half of the year will be more realistic.
    1. Turanov
      Turanov 7 November 2020 09: 43
      -4
      Quote: PN
      Well this is not an official statement. I think the second half of the year will be more realistic.

      Well, officially, not officially, but the work is in progress .. A formidable and cunning contraption, this "Poseidon"
      Another insurance policy for Russia! Well, God forbid that without a hitch
      Shiver adversaries, you will break off your fangs against Russia, if you stick your nose at us. soldier
      1. SAG
        SAG 7 November 2020 09: 57
        +7
        The first full-time carrier of Poseidon strategic drones - Project 09851 Khabarovsk special-purpose nuclear submarine - will be launched in the first half of 2021.

        No, well, that's really cool. This is exactly the case when you can write: "unparalleled in the world" and not have in the comments the whining of the all-fledged and bile liberal trolls.
        good soldier
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 7 November 2020 10: 04
          +3
          Quote: SAG
          to have in the comments the whining of all-propals and the bile of liberal trolls.

          Especially when plaintive lamentations are heard from all sides that Russia has lagged behind in the field of unmanned vehicles. Flying, in our time, is no longer a problem, they are riveted by all and sundry. How do you like that, America. laughing
          1. Turanov
            Turanov 7 November 2020 10: 19
            +4
            Quote: orionvitt
            Quote: SAG
            to have in the comments the whining of all-propals and the bile of liberal trolls.

            Especially when plaintive lamentations are heard from all sides that Russia has lagged behind in the field of unmanned vehicles. Flying, in our time, is no longer a problem, they are riveted by all and sundry. How do you like that, America. laughing

            You will bring them Vitaly with such comments to a heart attack .. They are now collecting a pack and they will still remember EVERYTHING and me too (rating as pressure jumps))))
            Well, for "Poseidon", "Vanguard" is already on duty !!!! drinks
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 7 November 2020 10: 22
              0
              Quote: Turanov
              They are collecting a pack now

              Yes, the first cons of the "gifted" have already gone. lol
              1. Turanov
                Turanov 7 November 2020 12: 35
                -5
                Quote: orionvitt
                Quote: Turanov
                They are collecting a pack now

                Yes, the first cons of the "gifted" have already gone. lol

                The quiet ones woke up !!!!! wassat fellow
          2. Fizik M
            Fizik M 7 November 2020 19: 59
            +4
            Quote: orionvitt
            How do you like that, America

            with the NPA (ours) we really popc
            see "Ruby toys"
          3. Sergey Sfiedu
            Sergey Sfiedu 8 November 2020 14: 23
            0
            The Yankees are making an unmanned multipurpose ram. Not a torpedo, namely a submarine. Multipurpose. There is no need for an atomic torpedo for us either, and the Americans do not even need it. An absolutely useless waste of money with a budget deficit for the Navy.
        2. Machito
          Machito 7 November 2020 10: 13
          12
          2 kilotons for Poseidon? Maybe a mess?
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 7 November 2020 10: 24
            +9
            Quote: Bearded
            2 kilotons for Poseidon?

            Like I heard about 2 megatons. This is in my opinion "closer to the body."
            1. Machito
              Machito 7 November 2020 10: 27
              +3
              2 megatons is super tsunami washing away the US coastline, and 2 kilotons is a festive fireworks display.
              1. orionvitt
                orionvitt 7 November 2020 10: 37
                +4
                Something seems to me that 2 kilotons, it's about nothing. Otherwise, why was it necessary to "fence the garden" and spend so much effort on the development of such a unique system as "Poseidon". Conventional torpedoes with a special warhead, and even then many times more powerful.
          2. KreAtiF
            KreAtiF 7 November 2020 16: 11
            0
            Quote: Bearded
            2 kilotons for Poseidon? Maybe a mess?

            This is only a warhead, most likely there will still be a detonation of the nuclear power plant.
            1. Cympak
              Cympak 7 November 2020 18: 50
              12
              This is just a journalist with a "humanitarian mindset", for whom, that 2 kilotons, that 2 megatons, that hypersound, that infrasound, all this is from branches of physics incomprehensible to his mind
              1. vik669
                vik669 8 November 2020 19: 49
                +1
                Yes, here it is completely physicists and lyricists from the unfinished TsPSh find out who megatons and kilotons in liters is harder!
          3. Rudkovsky
            Rudkovsky 9 November 2020 04: 16
            0
            Backlog for the future. For each additional billion in funding, a megaton will be added. So by 2032 they will enter the project weave.
        3. Fizik M
          Fizik M 7 November 2020 19: 58
          +2
          Quote: SAG
          This is exactly the case when you can write: "unparalleled in the world"

          analogs are just there - AMERIAN developments (which were the FIRST), but which the US competently fed us in order to misinform and divert resources to dead-end areas
      2. lucul
        lucul 7 November 2020 10: 21
        0
        Well, officially, not officially, but the work is in progress .. A formidable and cunning contraption, this "Poseidon"

        So where are all those curly clowns? Who shouted from all the horns that these were all cartoons? ))))
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 7 November 2020 20: 02
          0
          Quote: lucul
          So where are all those curly clowns? Who shouted from all the horns that these were all cartoons? ))))

          Monsieur, the work of "the very same" was heard by HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
          they just didn't know what it was (by the way, to the question of allegedly "low noise")

          as far as "cartoons" are concerned, the country and its Armed Forces would be much more useful if with this CRAZY everything was limited to "cartoons"
      3. lis-ik
        lis-ik 7 November 2020 17: 56
        -1
        Quote: Turanov
        Terrible and cunning contraption this "Poseidon"

        Vital, indeed, is much more cunning. Strategic missile carriers, at best, will have time to shoot from the pier, because they are being watched, and there is no need to talk about this fabulous thing, so yes, the adversary is already trembling.
      4. Fizik M
        Fizik M 7 November 2020 19: 56
        +3
        Quote: Turanov
        Another insurance policy for Russia

        not an insurance, but a PILORAMA
        + "stone on the neck"
        ALREADY ONLY NOW, this Crap DESTROYED 2 new multipurpose submarines (from the Navy)!
        1. frog
          frog 9 November 2020 15: 20
          0
          But the sawmill is notable. You can't take that away from her ...
    2. halpat
      halpat 7 November 2020 10: 02
      +5
      2 kilotons winked 9 times smaller than the "Kid" bomb, which was dropped on Hiroshima.
      And I remember talking about the tsunami on the half of the United States.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 7 November 2020 10: 16
        -7
        2 kilotons is 9 times less than the "Kid" bomb, which was dropped on Hiroshima .......... you missed the key word .. MAYBE ... because neither you, me, nor anyone else who is not involved in Poseidon they will notify Che for the warhead there it is set to relax .... especially since 2 kilotons is quite enough for AUG.
        1. Turanov
          Turanov 7 November 2020 10: 37
          -16 qualifying.
          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          MAYBE ... because neither you, nor me, or anyone else who is not involved in Poseidon, will not be notified of what the warhead is installed there, relax .... especially since 2 kilotons is quite enough for AUG.

          That's right, so they told us everything right here .. Even if 2 kilotons bang near the shores of Sashiki, then such a panic will begin there .. God forbid, of course, to get to this, but if they hunt ..
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 7 November 2020 10: 42
            -8
            God forbid, of course, to come to this, but if hunted ....... we will not get there. we are highly sophisticated militarily ... but the line India-China-Pakistan-Iran ... is not very predictable
            1. Turanov
              Turanov 7 November 2020 12: 33
              -9
              Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
              God forbid, of course, to come to this, but if hunted ....... we will not get there. we are highly sophisticated militarily ... but the line India-China-Pakistan-Iran ... is not very predictable

              I agree with you! Those are frostbitten and the population goes off scale .. They need to be contained constantly, otherwise they will do business.
          2. Sofa batyr
            Sofa batyr 7 November 2020 12: 57
            +3
            Quote: Turanov
            .Even if 2 kilotons bahn near the shores of Sashiki, then such a panic will begin there

            The power of the Poseidon warhead, according to the RF Defense Ministry, is up to two Megatons.
            The article is not accurate.
        2. Bongo
          Bongo 10 November 2020 03: 44
          +1
          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          2 kilotons is 9 times less than the "Kid" bomb, which was dropped on Hiroshima .......... you missed the key word .. MAYBE ... because neither you, me, nor anyone else who is not involved in Poseidon they will notify Che for the warhead there it is set to relax .... especially since 2 kilotons is quite enough for AUG.

          Volodya, hello! Please read this, you will draw conclusions yourself.
          US Nuclear Club
          https://topwar.ru/147998-jadernaja-dubinka-amerikanskogo-flota-chast-1.html
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 10 November 2020 10: 13
            +1
            Hello Vladimirovich ... read the topic ... the result is unambiguous ... for AUG in the case of a specific thermonuclear batch, fate is disappointing ... although, like everyone else ... at the moment, hybrid wars, that is, local conflicts are the most indicative in the external the politics of superpowers ... a nuclear club is good, but conventional effective weapons make the horizons of tasks wider ... and so your little article is credible ...
      2. Grits
        Grits 7 November 2020 14: 49
        0
        Quote: Halpat
        And I remember talking about the tsunami on the half of the United States.

        And before that they still talked (when they called it "Status-6") about the use of the so-called "cobalt bomb". And about the large-scale radioactive contamination of the territory adjacent to the water area at the site of the strike. I wonder if the number of kilotons is important here and how many kilotons are enough for this?
    3. the Saint
      the Saint 7 November 2020 20: 24
      +2
      Quote: PN
      Well this is not an official statement. I think the second half of the year will be more realistic.

      I remembered the story with the Borey and Bulava, when the already built Yuri Dolgoruky, Alexander Nevsky and Vladimir Monomakh were wiping the sides at the berths, but there were no missiles for them, since the Bulava launches failed over and over again, and even now the quality and reliability of a hastily made rocket is highly questionable.
    4. businessv
      businessv 8 November 2020 19: 57
      +1
      Quote: PN
      I think the second half of the year will be more realistic.

      This is yes! This is unconditional! It remains to clarify which year! Wish the next one, but the future will show!
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 7 November 2020 09: 32
    11
    It can be armed with a 2 kiloton nuclear warhead.

    The Poseidon's displacement makes it possible to equip an underwater vehicle with a warhead weighing up to 4 tons. Not enough - 2 kt? Or a typo ..?
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 7 November 2020 09: 39
      +9
      Quote: Doccor18
      Not enough - 2 kt? Or a typo.

      Of course a typo ... We talked about 2 Mt ... But in general, you can pack 4 Mt into 50 tons ...
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 7 November 2020 10: 40
        -10 qualifying.
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Quote: Doccor18
        Not enough - 2 kt? Or a typo.

        Of course a typo ... We talked about 2 Mt ... But in general, you can pack 4 Mt into 50 tons ...

        "Kuzkin's mother" can definitely be shown .. laughing good
        1. Sofa batyr
          Sofa batyr 7 November 2020 12: 58
          +1
          Quote: Turanov
          "Kuzkin's mother" can definitely be shown ..

          Hardly ... Only half.
          Even Khrushch was afraid to show the Americans the full power of the Tsar Bomba, limiting himself to half the capacity of 58,6 megatons in TNT equivalent.

          And in the case of "Poseidon", such a charge "pack" in its dimensions is not possible at all.
          1. ZEMCH
            ZEMCH 7 November 2020 15: 06
            +4
            Quote: Divan-batyr
            And in the case of "Poseidon", such a charge "pack" in its dimensions is not possible at all.

            in such dimensions and 100 Mt can be packed, but it makes no sense))) Sakharov specially put lead layers to reduce the power, now everything is smaller)))
            1. ZEMCH
              ZEMCH 7 November 2020 18: 30
              +2
              I wonder what the cons for what? Comparing the dimensions of Poseidon and 100 Mt of charge? Minus, you at least studied nuclear physics, I have a tolerance for these charges and I represent them perfectly !!!! wink
            2. Fizik M
              Fizik M 7 November 2020 20: 03
              +3
              Quote: ZEMCH
              in such dimensions and 100 Mt can be packed, but it makes no sense)

              yes
          2. Maikcg
            Maikcg 7 November 2020 15: 20
            -1
            Hmm, our product was 2,1 meters in diameter and 8 in length, while the third stage was made of lead instead of uranium-238, so the dimensions of the Tsar Bomb did not change. Not to mention the fact that more than 100 megatons could have been made without major rework. And Poseidon is thicker, well, or not thinner as imaginary.

            And the warhead is quite comparable in size
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 7 November 2020 09: 39
      +5
      Not enough, of course. Not even from weight, but from size. Up to 2Mt will believe
    3. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 7 November 2020 09: 47
      +1
      Journalists, what to take from them? One of the options for equipping Poseidon, installing a cobalt charge with a capacity of 100 Megatons on it.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 7 November 2020 09: 54
        +7
        There is such data:

        https://avia.pro/blog/atomnaya-podlodka-poseydon
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 7 November 2020 10: 00
          +1
          Andrei Sakharov developed the project of a torpedo, the carrier of the Tsar Bomb, the power of which was supposed to be ~ 100 megatons. The size of Poseidon allows to place a charge of such power on it, this is the expert opinion of Sivkov K. Well, what will actually be a military secret! hi
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 November 2020 10: 16
            22
            Quote: Hunter 2
            Andrei Sakharov developed the project of a torpedo, the carrier of the Tsar Bomb, the power of which was supposed to be ~ 100 megatons.

            He didn't design. He expressed the idea, the military refused to do this
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 7 November 2020 10: 30
              +1
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

              He didn't design. He expressed the idea, the military refused to do this

              In his memoirs, Sakharov called it a project. hi
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 November 2020 16: 27
                +7
                Quote: Hunter 2
                In his memoirs, Sakharov called it a project.

                I did not name it. Here is a quote from this fragment of his memoir:
                "To do away with the" big "product theme, I will tell here some remaining "on a conversational level" story - although it happened somewhat later. ... After testing the "large" product, I was worried that there was no good carrier for it (bombers do not count, they are easy to shoot down) - that is, in the military sense, we worked in vain. I decided that such a carrier could be a large torpedo launched from a submarine. I fantasizedthat it is possible to develop a ramjet water-steam atomic jet engine for such a torpedo. The target of an attack from a distance of several hundred kilometers should be the ports of the enemy. The war at sea is lost if the ports are destroyed - the sailors assure us of this. The body of such a torpedo can be made very durable, it will not be afraid of mines and barrage nets. Of course, the destruction of ports - both by a surface explosion of a torpedo with a 100-megaton charge that "jumped out" of the water, and by an underwater explosion - inevitably entails very large human casualties. "
                The word "project" was spoken further
                “One of the first people with whom I discussed this project was Rear Admiral F. Fomin.
                He was shocked by the "cannibalistic" nature of the project, noticed in a conversation with me that naval sailors are used to fighting an armed enemy in open battle and that the very idea of ​​such a mass murder is disgusting for him. I was ashamed and never discussed my project with anyone again ""
                That is, if you read in context, there was no project.
                1. Captain45
                  Captain45 7 November 2020 23: 27
                  -2
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  “One of the first people with whom I discussed this project was Rear Admiral F. Fomin.
                  He was shocked by the "cannibalistic" nature of the project, noticed in a conversation with me that naval sailors are used to fighting an armed enemy in open battle and that the very idea of ​​such a mass murder is disgusting for him. I was ashamed and never discussed my project with anyone again ""

                  What a gentle Rear Admiral ... crying In fact, for a military man, the main thing is victory over the enemy, he is being prepared for this all his life, and in what way it was achieved .... well, it was not lucky for the enemy ... These are his problems and, as our Commander-in-Chief said: "Why such a world if there is no Russia in it " good
                2. businessv
                  businessv 8 November 2020 20: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  I was ashamed and never discussed my project with anyone again ""
                  That is, if you read in context, there was no project.

                  The project was exactly what Sakharov is writing about! There was no NIR, but this is because the genius was ashamed, about which he wrote.
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 November 2020 06: 31
                    +4
                    Quote: businessv
                    The project was exactly what Sakharov is writing about!

                    There was an idea. There was no project, this is obvious from the words of Sakharov - neither a preliminary project, nor a draft, not a pre-sketch
                    1. businessv
                      businessv 10 November 2020 14: 00
                      0
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      There was an idea. There was no project, this is obvious from Sakharov's words
                      Well, you yourself published his words, colleague!
                      I was ashamed and never discussed my project with anyone again ""[/ I]
                      Everything is really obvious. He didn’t say "ideas", he called it a project himself. smile
                      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 10 November 2020 16: 07
                        +1
                        Quote: businessv
                        He did not say "ideas", he called it a project himself

                        Vadim, let's remember what a project is
                        A project is a concept, idea, image, embodied in the form of description, justification of calculations, drawings that reveal the essence of the idea and the possibility of its practical implementation.
                        And when it is said that we had a project of a high-power nuclear torpedo for the destruction of ports, which was developed by Sakharov, it is implied that there was precisely a project. What the person writes about, to whose comment I responded
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        Andrei Sakharov developed the project of a torpedo, the carrier of the Tsar Bomb, the power of which was supposed to be ~ 100 megatons.

                        That is, many people are seriously convinced that in the USSR Sakharov really worked on the creation of such a torpedo, that we had a project according to which, if necessary, such a torpedo could be built. And some dreamed up to the point that Sakharov calculated the effect of hypertsunami from the use of such torpedoes.
                        In reality, Sakharov's memoirs clearly show that:
                        1) He had the idea of ​​using a super torpedo to deliver high-power special warheads to enemy ports
                        2) He discussed the idea with the admiral and was sent by him far and clearly
                        3) On this, the idea of ​​a megatorpeda died without being born
                        Sakharov clearly indicates that there was no development
                        I will tell here some remaining "on a conversational level" story

                        And the fact that he calls his idea a project does not make it so. Well, there were no calculations, no justifications, no project of the torpedo itself
                      2. businessv
                        businessv 10 November 2020 18: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        And the fact that he calls his idea a project does not make it so. Well, there were no calculations, no justifications, no project of the torpedo itself

                        Andrey, welcome! So I agree with you on everything, but Sakharov himself misled the people! You quite correctly referred to the context. Although the story about the strait between Canada and Mexico, which Andrei Dmitrievich allegedly offered to present for the Secretary General's birthday, was not born out of nowhere. smile Great scientists were also young and, in some respects, stupid! :
                      3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 11 November 2020 06: 11
                        +1
                        Good day! hi
                        Quote: businessv
                        but Sakharov himself misled the people!

                        Perfectly fair remark
    4. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 7 November 2020 11: 54
      +2
      and in the photo the harpsichord seems to be)
      1. frog
        frog 7 November 2020 12: 00
        +2
        Is there a difference for the broad masses of the patriotic public?
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 7 November 2020 12: 22
          0
          well .. taking into account that this is avia.pro .. there you can even place a cucumber-ride
          1. frog
            frog 7 November 2020 15: 02
            +2
            Yes, the resource is still lol But how it warms the souls of patriots repeat
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 7 November 2020 15: 51
              -6
              yes, he warms up the liberals there too. sometimes he puts out such game without
              1. frog
                frog 7 November 2020 18: 45
                +1
                Well, by patriots, in this case, I understood lovers to shout something joyful, not bothering with all sorts of nonsense, such as mathematics, physics and other common sense. No more. Although there are enough of those among the liberals, not without it. Personally, my ability to think is in no way associated with political preferences ...
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 00: 08
                  -3
                  the liberals are offended at you .. how is it .. they are always right)
                  1. frog
                    frog 9 November 2020 15: 24
                    +1
                    I doubt very much. Sobssno, heap from the big bell tower, but .... Since I speak nasty about the next wunderwaffle, those same "liberals" should add wink And from a variety of patriotic personalities, that the victims of the exam, that "the best education" - certainly indignant. From the cons you can count repeat Although, the topic has passed, a lot of their syudy will not look)))
    5. Maikcg
      Maikcg 7 November 2020 15: 32
      -2
      The journalist raped by someone unknown laughing if only because the avant-garde is not an air complex (meaning that such an expression is applied to air-launched systems), and 200 megatons will fit into Poseidon laughing
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  • Momotomba
    Momotomba 7 November 2020 09: 33
    +4
    Underwater strategic drone "Poseidon" is designed to destroy various targets, including aircraft carrier groups and coastal fortifications. The device is equipped with a nuclear power plant. It is able to dive to a depth of more than 1 km and has an unlimited range. It can be armed with a 2 kiloton nuclear warhead.

    With such characteristics, why does he need a carrier in principle? They were taken out of the base by tugs, and then he hi
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 7 November 2020 09: 51
      17
      Everything rests on the complexity of underwater navigation, determining and storing one's place, dead reckoning, observations (preferably secretive, according to underwater landmarks). Therefore, it is necessary to launch at a depth, after obtaining its place "very accurately", taking into account currents, maneuverable forces of ASW, etc.
      But.
      1. Momotomba
        Momotomba 7 November 2020 12: 29
        +1
        Why not launch from a surface ship? And why do we need a covert launch, if the device has unlimited range?
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 7 November 2020 20: 06
          +3
          Quote: Momotomba
          Why not launch from a surface ship?

          there was an option
          see "Status deadlock" https://topwar.ru/155207-statusnyj-tupik.html
          and https://topwar.ru/176056-esche-raz-o-spa-posejdon-status-6.html
      2. Per se.
        Per se. 7 November 2020 17: 57
        +6
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        It all comes down to the complexity of underwater navigation
        Alexander, you spoke very correctly. Compared to the flight navigation of a cruise missile, it will be simpler. Firstly, the terrain relief has been studied in detail, unlike the bottom of the world's oceans. Secondly, navigation is duplicated from satellites. Underwater currents, higher and lower salinity, temperature differences, all this will have a much more serious effect on the underwater vehicle.

        If, at one time, Rear Admiral Fomin, upon Sakharov's idea, was shocked by the "cannibalistic" nature of the project, and the USSR abandoned this idea, then why would our capitalists become such "cannibals" in front of their "brothers" in capitalism, despite the fact that it will not destroy the United States, but will hit the world ocean, with which the fate of Russia is tied?

        Probably, hurray-patriots will jump out of their pants out of indignation, but, most likely, this is just a PR move, more for internal use, like the development of funds. Serious military projects like this "over the shoulder" do not shine, and do not make the schemes poster-sized, as it is specially for a TV camera.

        I don't like cold cynicism
        I don't believe in enthusiasm, and yet -
        When someone else reads my letters,
        Looking over my shoulder.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 7 November 2020 19: 44
          +4
          Quote: Per se.
          If, at one time, Rear Admiral Fomin, upon Sakharov's idea, was shocked by the "cannibalistic" nature of the project, and the USSR abandoned this idea, then why would our capitalists become such "cannibals" in front of their "brothers" in capitalism,

          From the fact that a capitalist is a wolf to a capitalist! They are not brothers to each other and only think about how to quickly destroy competitors from the world, and if this does not work, then how to intimidate competitors as much as possible from encroachment on their property ...
          So it’s not surprising that it was the capitalists who began to implement the project, which in Soviet times was considered "cannibalistic" ...
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 8 November 2020 11: 20
          +4
          Quote: Per se.
          most likely, this is just a PR move, more for internal use, as well as the development of funds.

          Sergey, hi I think that there is a certain (so far potential) benefit from it.
          1. Poseidon - the first echelon of the fight against the Yankee AUS. Therefore, they make 16 - exactly according to the number of aircraft carriers at the enemy (NATO).
          2. The PLO of the connection will be in constant tension and not only in the sector dangerous from the attacks of the submarine, but for the whole 360 ​​*, because you do not know where the scribe can "fly in" from. Therefore, you need not 2 PLA ahead of the course, but 2 more to cover the stern KU. It's not a childish annoyance!
          3. The Yankees are already concerned with the fight against the illegal armed groups. Evidence of this is the revival of mine-torpedo weapons (sword fish), the adoption of light VLWT torpedoes for the Virginias.
          All this is serious and very expensive for the organization of reliable protection against ABOs.
          So, the game is played in an adult way ... And this seriously strains our counterparts.
          AHA.
      3. Fizik M
        Fizik M 7 November 2020 20: 04
        +5
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Everything rests on the complexity of underwater navigation, determining and storing one's place, dead reckoning, observations (preferably covert, according to underwater landmarks).

        yes
        Exactly!
  • Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 7 November 2020 09: 35
    -2
    "Poseidon" is a cooler of the hot heads of our sworn partners.
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 7 November 2020 19: 01
      +2
      But what about the "Vanguard"? He will be more interesting in all plans. He has a much better chance of hitting the enemy throughout the depth of his territory in a much shorter time. And to implement the "cannibalistic plan" of the ideologists of "Poseidon" to dirtiest the planet, there is no need to cut a mega-budget on this mega-torpedo. It is easier to plant dirty nuclear bombs along the perimeter of the country. And to everyone to promise to undermine them during the nuclear destruction of Russia, so that after "the martyrs ascend, all those who remain will simply die" (c)
      1. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 8 November 2020 14: 37
        +2
        Why is Vanguard more interesting? It is positioned as a means of overcoming the atmospheric missile defense stage, but the United States does not have atmospheric interceptor missiles capable of intercepting ICBM warheads, but on the contrary, it has an interceptor missile capable of intercepting the Vanguard before it begins to maneuver. And considering that one (!) "Vanguard" is placed on ICBMs instead of eight (!) Warheads - the idea seems like sabotage at all. Although from an engineering point of view, it is certainly a very interesting development. The same is with the Poseidon - in fact, it is a mini-nuclear submarine. With all the pros and cons. And the biggest drawbacks are cost and vulnerability. All the problems that Poseidoe solves, SSBNs and nuclear submarines are not worse, but perhaps better. And cheaper. But there is no money for them. Although, again - from an engineering-design point of view, the use of a small-sized nuclear reactor is certainly a very interesting development.
    2. Fizik M
      Fizik M 7 November 2020 20: 07
      +4
      Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
      "Poseidon" is a cooler of the hot heads of our sworn partners.

      they themselves were pushing us to this STORAGE OF RESOURCES FOR Crap
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  • Tiksi-3
    Tiksi-3 7 November 2020 09: 44
    +5
    I wonder what will Khabarovsk be armed with for its protection? and will he be armed with torpedoes, so that after the shooting of the Poseidons - would turn into a hunter ??
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 7 November 2020 09: 54
      +2
      You just want everything at once)))
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 7 November 2020 10: 43
        +3
        Quote: Alien From
        You just want everything at once)))

        what does it mean all at once? - it is stupid to make a nuclear submarine for retaliation weapons and not endowing it with the ability to attack after shooting the main battery ... intelligence purposes ... or maybe not so ... we think we will not find out soon
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 7 November 2020 11: 54
      -5
      standard set of mines and torpedoes + SAM / MANPADS
      1. Fizik M
        Fizik M 7 November 2020 20: 08
        +4
        Quote: Boris Chernikov
        standard set of mines and torpedoes +SAM

        fool
        Do not hurt bullshit, it hurts!
    3. Grits
      Grits 7 November 2020 14: 55
      +1
      Quote: Tiksi-3
      and will he be armed with torpedoes, so that after the shooting of the Poseidons - would turn into a hunter ??

      Why would a hunter need a gun if all the animals would instantly die in their lairs before hunting?
    4. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 7 November 2020 16: 38
      -1
      Quote: Tiksi-3
      I wonder what will Khabarovsk be armed with for its protection?

      Most likely, additional weapons and equipment will be the same as that of strategic ballistic missile submarines, because they have the same tasks.
    5. Captain45
      Captain45 7 November 2020 23: 32
      0
      Quote: Tiksi-3
      so that after shooting the Poseidons - would turn into a hunter ??

      I do not think that after the shooting of the Poseidons, Khabarovsk will have to fight with someone else, especially after someone is hunting. Well, perhaps, that for an atoll with clean water, until the general radioactive contamination covered, well, so 2-3 weeks still in the ocean to flounder, after shooting this thing.
      1. Momotomba
        Momotomba 9 November 2020 10: 06
        +1
        Torpedoes are needed at least for self-defense ... It is foolish to make a nuclear submarine to fire one single super-torpedo ...
  • Reader 2013
    Reader 2013 7 November 2020 09: 50
    -7
    How much money is down the drain
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 7 November 2020 10: 45
      +5
      Quote: Citatelle 2013
      How much money is down the drain

      how much? and who do you mean by the word PES? - is it really the Anglo-Saxon world of the ruling class? ...
    2. Maikcg
      Maikcg 7 November 2020 15: 34
      -3
      Would it be better if they gave out to pregnant pensioners?
    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 7 November 2020 16: 30
      +2
      Quote: Citatelle 2013
      How much money

      Apparently, 2013 is the year of birth. yes laughing
      1. Reader 2013
        Reader 2013 7 November 2020 17: 26
        +5
        And what is wrong, hundreds of billions were spent on a very dubious project
        1. Cympak
          Cympak 7 November 2020 19: 04
          +2
          I would ask the developers when their cut project will fail. And he will fail!
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 7 November 2020 23: 34
          -1
          Quote: Citatelle 2013
          And what is wrong, hundreds of billions were spent on a very dubious project

          Have you personally counted all the money spent? belay
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 7 November 2020 09: 52
    0
    earlier it was reported about the plans of the Ministry of Defense to adopt up to 32 unmanned underwater vehicles "Poseidon", in the future, build four underwater carriers for them. According to the plans of the military department, two submarines with drones are to be deployed in the Northern and Pacific fleets.
    For joy)) laughing adversary!
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 7 November 2020 09: 58
    -2
    It can be armed with a 2 kiloton nuclear warhead

    Wait a moment.
    We were told about 150 Mt.
    Zrada ?!
  • Note
    Note 7 November 2020 10: 43
    +8
    Well, why the heck? Minus two submarines, which are more needed in the usual version. The sense is from this Poseidon. Someone earned
    1. Note
      Note 7 November 2020 10: 45
      -3
      What nonsense ...
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 7 November 2020 11: 55
      -2
      Less Minu read-the main feature-the Americans will be forced to look for a means of countering these torpedoes and spend an order of magnitude more money
      1. Cympak
        Cympak 7 November 2020 19: 07
        +1
        The Americans have already commented: "If you like, you can destroy us one more time ...."
        This "wunder-waffle" did not cause a stir among them.
      2. Fizik M
        Fizik M 7 November 2020 20: 08
        +4
        Quote: Boris Chernikov
        Americans will be forced to look for a means of countering these torpedoes and spend an order of magnitude more money

        they ALREADY had it all in the late 80s
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 00: 01
          -3
          I do not communicate with Minami, you have already shown me your competence for the corvettes), go with Timokhin-love your friend friend
          1. Fizik M
            Fizik M 8 November 2020 00: 09
            +2
            Quote: Boris Chernikov
            you have already shown me your competence for the corvettes

            bunny, your "competence" wassat the level of ducks in your bathroom
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 00: 18
              -2
              oh yeah .. are you stuck? so I will remind you .. you yelled at every hearing, shouted that all the fools, and only you know that they will not build corvettes 20380/5, but only 20386 will be built .. even when Shoigu himself told you that the order will be and you were told about it continued to yell that like you do not know anything and fools ... really "fools" were right, and you sat in a puddle .. now you sit in this puddle further)
              1. Fizik M
                Fizik M 8 November 2020 00: 31
                +1
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                Shoigu himself said that the order would be

                bunny, you missed the main thing - THEN this happened
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                you sat in a puddle .. now you sit in this puddle

                bunny, we are tired of waiting for you for going to kashchenko
                you, it is better to call an ambulance (with nurses) lol
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 00: 34
                  -2
                  then you really were lying there once everywhere you write about Kashchenko) you have not cured? well, lie down still get some treatment) And yes .. you can make excuses, but the facts remain facts .. everyone remembers your "competence" on this issue .. and what you wrote and what was in fact ... laughing
                  1. Fizik M
                    Fizik M 8 November 2020 00: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: Boris Chernikov
                    everyone remembers on this issue .. and what you wrote and what happened in fact ..

                    bunny, you would CHOOSE YOUR LONG LANGUAGE (otherwise you will inadvertently stomp lol ) - and would try to bring the PROOFs to his nonsense
                    waitingC
                    1. Boris Chernikov
                      Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 00: 43
                      -2
                      lol .. have you already forgotten? or do you really think that I’ll go looking for your comments about "will not build?" you are just drowning yourself deeper ... but as already written ... cure, come on, minushka ..
                      1. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 8 November 2020 00: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        do you really think that i will go looking for your

                        Chtd
                        fine RAPID bunny BoryaChern ITSELF signed this
                      2. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 00: 49
                        -2
                        laughing so I have already brought them to you in due time ... and you have bobo with memory?)
                      3. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 8 November 2020 00: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        so I'll give you in due time and

                        BUNNY, are you RUNNING
                        you "brought" "PROOFS" to your ducks in the divan
                      4. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 00: 55
                        -2
                        oh what is it) who did it?
                      5. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 8 November 2020 01: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        oh what is it) who did it?

                        Borya Chernikov - IN PANTS
                        and now we grab the FIGHT for the LONG BAD LANGUAGE:
                        what did you write and what happened in fact ..

                        and we look "proof", and what do we see?
                        1. Yes, indeed - the last tab was in 2016.
                        2. Yes, indeed, the OVR corvettes "nailed" by Vitko Ch were in the GPV
                        3. NONE CONTRACT for corvettes has been SIGNED to date.
                        And it is not difficult to say WHY - because tabout what "it turns out" (with the "fornicator" of the Navy and "Barrier") does not in any way ensure the fulfillment of the ORDER OF THE PRESIDENT of the Russian Federation, and acc. according to the situation "for today" (if it is not possible to change it) a document is being prepared.
                      6. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 01: 07
                        -4
                        "there was no signing." for several years that 20386 will only be built ... in general, be treated, sick)
                      7. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 8 November 2020 01: 11
                        +3
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        for the sake of joke, they announced the signing ... interesting

                        don't care what for
                        THE FACT is that there is NO STATE CONTRACT for corvettes STILL
                        I voiced the reason
                        what will happen in reality - Sochi will show
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        how did you yell for several years that 20386 will only build

                        bunny, you beguiled
                        these are ORALIE OFFICIALS (both the Navy and USC)
                        now they no longer "shout" (but they think with what to cover the priest)
                      8. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 8 November 2020 11: 16
                        -5
                        laughing and you echoed them and under each article wrote about "there will be no new corvettes, only modulars!" ... yeah .. in general, you burn in any case .. everything is so bad in your personal life?) But don't say it .. not interesting .. you will start again "bunnies, kashchenko" and another minersky nonsense
                      9. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 8 November 2020 20: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        and you echoed them and under each article wrote about "there will be no new corvettes, only modulars!"

                        fool
                        bunny, how stupid you are ... lol
  • Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 7 November 2020 16: 42
    -4
    Quote: Note
    Well, why the heck? Minus two submarines, which are more needed in the usual version.

    That is, if they were designed for ballistic missiles, would they be more useful?
    Of course, they have fewer objects that the boat can strike, but 2 megatons ...
    And it is impossible to track the launch (which means that it is problematic to counteract it).
    In general, another ax of Damocles over the head of the enemy is clearly not superfluous.
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 8 November 2020 14: 41
      +1
      "That is, if they were executed for ballistic missiles, then they would be more useful?" - without any doubt.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 8 November 2020 17: 38
        0
        Quote: Bad_gr
        That is, if they were designed for ballistic missiles, would they be more useful?

        Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
        without any doubt.

        What is it? That something else is a weapon of deterrence (that is, they are not being shot, but threatened). Stealth is the same. The start of a torpedo, in comparison with a ballistic missile, is invisible, and the estimated damage that it can inflict in the event of force majeure may be less, but essential for any country that has come under attack. And these weapons are not included in the limitation agreements (and several such torpedoes are supposed to be present on one submarine).
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 November 2020 10: 50
    -3
    The first full-time carrier of Poseidon strategic drones - Project 09851 special-purpose nuclear submarine Khabarovsk
    Compatriots, Khabarovsk residents, our city will be not only on the banknote, but also the modern nuclear submarine will bear his name. I think it's honorable.
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 7 November 2020 19: 10
      0
      And what is there to be proud of? That a weapon is named after them, which is designed to destroy all life on the planet, incl. not involved in super-power rivalry (for example, the population of Polynesia).
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 7 November 2020 10: 50
    0
    I treat the topic of Poseidon pessemestically. Maybe I just don't understand. First. Are there many bases, ports can Poseidon attack. The second sequel is like the first. There is an ancient video of the test of 1 megaton by the Americans against a bunch of ships. Well, I think it will demolish all nafig, debris from the monitor will fly. The explosion of the water wall covers the ships, well, I think the kerdyk them. The wall of water is falling, the ships are more alive than all the living. Waiting for a tsunami, yeah, a tsunami, a wave of a maximum of two meters. They started poking around, Wall of water after the explosion, it turned out to be a hollow cylinder, only the cylinder walls consist of The only advantage of this system, I see that it is not controlled by anything, I mean early warning means of ballistic missile launches. On day x Poseidons are launched from the carrier and go to the waiting areas. After the signal go out to attack targets at maximum speed. That the Americans are concerned with mino torpedoes, throw around the bases and will wait for any noise. I hope they don’t record the noise a jester, not when. Of course, it's not for me to decide whether he needs it, the General Staff probably has a different opinion. A couple of boats with Poseidons are not so expensive. But the main drug addicts of Europe will definitely be washed off with their dams. hi drinks
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    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 7 November 2020 11: 31
      +8
      Quote: tralflot1832
      I see the only plus of this system that it is not controlled by anything.

      Each of our submarines is accompanied by at least 2 of them. Covertly exit the port and start it will not work.
      Quote: tralflot1832
      I hope they will not record the noises of the beedona when.

      The higher the speed, the higher the noise underwater. Poseidon will generally roar across the ocean.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 7 November 2020 12: 03
        -7
        If our submariners managed to put the Americans on their ears on the "roaring cows", now they can all the more. In the patrol area, Poseidon is the quietest move, for acoustics. At speeds over 20 knots, all submarines make noise on the sea floor.
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 7 November 2020 19: 54
          +4
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Poseidon goes to the patrol area in the quietest way for acoustics.

          without even touching on the fact that this is unscientific nonsense, in your popular print "forgotten" the issue of accumulation of ISU errorswhich in the end will be just off-limits
      2. Grits
        Grits 7 November 2020 15: 05
        -8
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Poseidon will generally roar across the ocean.

        Yes, and let him scream, catch up with horror. Given the fact that there is no way to stop him, this roar will be the last thing that American sailors will hear.
      3. Operator
        Operator 7 November 2020 16: 42
        -12 qualifying.
        Until receiving the command to strike, Poseidon will move at low speed (5 knots) and maximum depth (up to 1500 meters) and only during the attack will pick up a maximum speed of 100 knots and rise to a depth determined by the bottom topography in the target area.

        A 40-ton unit with a single internal chassis for all mechanisms, mounted on active shock absorbers, and a jet with antiphase suppression of the impeller noise, running at a depth of 1500 km and a speed of 5 knots, can be heard only at close range.

        And after the start of the attack at a speed of 100 knots, the noise from the Poseidon will be the last sound in the lives of those who hear it. bully
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 7 November 2020 19: 52
          +4
          Quote: Operator
          Until the moment of receiving the command to strike "Poseidon" will move at low speed (5 knots) and maximum depth (up to 1500 meters) and only during the attack will pick up a maximum speed of 100 knots and rises to a depth determined by the bottom topography in the target area.

          wassat
          fool
          forgive, YOU are not writing this for an hour with Kaschenko? lol
          I will not talk about RAVE with technical parameters (this is in a jar, and for analysis), but the fact that only during the attack the depth of the stroke is "determined by the relief", and before that NO, it's just a BLADE wassat
          Schnobel Duchet - he invented the UNDERGROUND submarine (torpedo) wassat
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 7 November 2020 23: 38
            +5
            Quote: Fizik M
            forgive, YOU are not writing this for an hour with Kaschenko?

            After reading the comments, I came to the conclusion that 95% of comments are from there laughing A reprimand to the orderlies angry
      4. Captain45
        Captain45 7 November 2020 23: 36
        0
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Each of our submarines is accompanied by at least 2 of them. Covertly exit the port and start it will not work.

        Do you personally control each submarine of the US Navy, its location?
    3. Whirlwind
      Whirlwind 7 November 2020 11: 40
      -1
      GUGI knows what is there in the depths of the world's oceans, but you do not know.
      Don't jump to conclusions ...
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 7 November 2020 12: 13
        +3
        Not a word about GUGI, they "monitor gray whales"! repeat
        1. Whirlwind
          Whirlwind 8 November 2020 05: 53
          +1
          Top ten. They monitor the gray civilization ...
      2. Fizik M
        Fizik M 7 November 2020 20: 09
        +3
        Quote: Whirlwind
        GUGI knows what is there in the depths of the world's oceans, but you do not know.
        Don't jump to conclusions ...

        You should at least read books (absolutely open) on hydroacoustics ..
        1. Whirlwind
          Whirlwind 8 November 2020 05: 48
          -1
          Thanks. And you watch the movie "The Abyss". Fantastic ...
          1. Fizik M
            Fizik M 8 November 2020 20: 14
            +2
            Quote: Whirlwind
            And you watch the movie "The Abyss". Fantastic ...

            watched
            long
            good film
    4. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 7 November 2020 11: 58
      -2
      and sink a couple of their ships ... The tsunami is launched not near the coast, but at a distance .. about "oh, the water just sprinkled" .. that's when in a couple of days you start to spit out your lungs and the skin crawls from radiation sickness, you will remember other types lesions other than shockwave.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 7 November 2020 12: 26
        +3
        The farther from the coast, the more the energy of a nuclear explosion is scattered. Here in the bay, it's another matter. Monitor the highest tsunami in the world. 500 meters in Alaska, preferably geo-referenced, very interesting information. Maybe you need to collapse some kind of ridge at the bottom. I don't know. .There is someone here to do this.
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 7 November 2020 12: 43
          -1
          I will reveal a terrible secret, tsunami does not happen near the coast, everything that happens near the coast is the end result .. so no one will tear anything in the bay .. if this is not the bay of the main US naval base .. but if you remember that Poseidon is predicted a cobalt warhead. ...
          1. Grits
            Grits 7 November 2020 15: 10
            +1
            Quote: Boris Chernikov
            I will reveal a terrible secret, tsunami does not happen near the coast, everything that happens near the coast is the end result .. so no one will tear anything in the bay .. if this is not the bay of the main US naval base .. but if you remember that Poseidon is predicted a cobalt warhead.

            Thus, Posedon can have three tasks, the implementation of which destroys the infrastructure and weapons of the enemy in different ways:
            1. As a result of a nuclear explosion in enemy bases in the bays.
            2. As a result of the creation of a tsunami far from the coast, followed by its collapse on the coast.
            3. As a result of the creation of a vast contamination zone adjacent to the coast.
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 7 November 2020 15: 50
              -2
              exactly..this is a tool..and how to use it..as the headquarters decides
              1. Fizik M
                Fizik M 8 November 2020 21: 04
                +1
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                as the headquarters decide

                apparently battalion lol
            2. Fizik M
              Fizik M 8 November 2020 21: 06
              +1
              Quote: Gritsa
              Thus, Posedon can have three tasks, the implementation of which destroys the infrastructure and weapons of the enemy in different ways:
              1. As a result of a nuclear explosion in enemy bases in the bays.
              2. As a result of the creation of a tsunami far from the coast, followed by its collapse on the coast.
              3. As a result of the creation of a vast contamination zone adjacent to the coast.

              Now tell me what ICBMs cannot make of this (and with MUCH less cost and greater efficiency - for ICBMs)?
        2. Cympak
          Cympak 7 November 2020 19: 14
          +1
          Take a look at google maps. How will you enter this bay? If even in WWI and WWII they learned to pull anti-submarine nets
    5. Vita vko
      Vita vko 7 November 2020 12: 09
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      I am pessemantic about Poseidon.

      In matters in which you are not an expert, you need to be more critical of yourself.
      The strategy and tactics of using any new weapon is always worked out in advance, otherwise there is simply no point in investing a lot of money. Therefore, we can say with 100% certainty that in the next 50 years, there will be no means of countering strategic drones of the Poseidon type.
      The only drawback of this type of weapon is its delivery time. Unlike ballistic missiles, where the delivery time of the charge to the target is several tens of minutes, in the case of Poseidon it will be hours. The main thing is that ports and coastal infrastructure will be guaranteed to be destroyed, and without them any fleet is doomed.
    6. Maikcg
      Maikcg 7 November 2020 15: 38
      -3
      >> How many bases, ports can Poseidon attack?
      All west and east coasts of the connecting states laughing
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 7 November 2020 16: 20
        +2
        Usually ports are protected by dams and moloms from natural disasters. Here the beaches are open. I have never met a single port dug from the sea along the entire berthing line. 25 years at sea I know what I am saying.
        1. Maikcg
          Maikcg 7 November 2020 18: 16
          -2
          From natural disasters laughing but not from Poseidon. Did those "dams and breakwaters" help Fukushima?
    7. nobody75
      nobody75 7 November 2020 17: 46
      0
      How many bases, ports can Poseidon attack?

      A lot of. And not only ports. If several torpedoes are blown up at predetermined points, we will get a seismic wave on the mainland. If 2mt is "unsuccessfully" blown up in the fault zone, we get "Krakatoa" and the flooding of "Atlantis".
      There is an ancient video of the test of 1 megaton by the Americans against a bunch of ships

      It depends on what depth to explode .... What is the depth of the sea and the roughness of the underlying surface. Tsunami rises in shallow water.
      If you blow up under an aircraft carrier, then in addition to a water hammer, a vapor bubble is formed, which will go to the surface. At least the aircraft carrier will lose its buoyancy.
      Sincerely
    8. Albert1988
      Albert1988 7 November 2020 19: 47
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Poseidon can attack many bases, ports.

      And you look at the list of the largest cities in the United States ... Estimation of what will happen when this thing explodes off the Manhattan waterfront, for example ...
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 7 November 2020 21: 57
        -1
        We already do not have enough warheads, look how many first-class airfields, how many mines, and how many nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power plants and thermal power plants, and much more, not counting aircraft carriers and the fleet.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 8 November 2020 00: 25
          -2
          Quote: tralflot1832
          We don't have enough warheads anyway

          Why so?
          Quote: tralflot1832
          look at how many first-class airfields, how many mines mines, and how many nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power plants and thermoelectric power plants and much more apart from aircraft carriers and the fleet.

          And this thing knocks out the most important thing that the Americans have - their shitty hefty cities, which, as if by selection, stand by the ocean, in even lines, and in which 90% of the country's population lives ... Take them out - and kapets "seshesham" ... Americans understand this very well and will more than reckon with the owners of such "wunderwaffe". This means that colossal resources will be spent on counteraction, tracking Poseidon carriers, which will be distracted from other important areas. Despite all the printing presses, money and resources are not endless even for amers ...
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 8 November 2020 14: 21
            0
            Well, not 90% of the population, do not exaggerate. There are cities in the USA
            millionaires and large agglomerations located in the interior of the country.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 8 November 2020 15: 23
              0
              Quote: Sergej1972
              Well, not 90% of the population, do not exaggerate. There are cities in the USA
              millionaires and large agglomerations located in the interior of the country.

              Let's see - Boswash is the east coast, San San is the west, the explosions of several Poseidons will cover all this with a radioactive tsunami ... It won't seem a little ...
          2. Sergey Sfiedu
            Sergey Sfiedu 8 November 2020 14: 48
            -1
            And the Americans are suckers, will they not destroy our cities then? All of America has already been covered with ICBMs and SLBMs and CD. Well, we want to destroy them again - for health, our budget is rubber, we can afford it, the country has no other needs.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 8 November 2020 15: 25
              0
              Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
              Well, we want to destroy them again - to your health

              Not one more - but the first, because "Poseidon" is not a weapon of retaliation, but of the first ...
              Secondly, any such weapon is terrible not for its use, but for the threat of its use ...
              Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
              our budget is rubber, we can afford it, the country has no other needs.

              An old song, this is sung in response to any new development ...
      2. Cympak
        Cympak 7 November 2020 23: 55
        0
        Manhattan by the time Poseidon approaches will be a large radioactive funnel. What else are they going to destroy?
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 8 November 2020 00: 27
          -2
          Quote: Cympak
          Manhattan by the time Poseidon approaches will be a large radioactive funnel. What else are they going to destroy?

          Here a comrade a little higher declares that we do not have enough warheads for all targets. Then the question is - why not demolish huge coastal American cities with such a thing?
          But this is not the main thing - the main thing is not the use, but the very threat from such weapons, it must be feared, and these are huge resources that will be redistributed from something else.
          1. Cympak
            Cympak 8 November 2020 00: 40
            0
            As I wrote above, Americans do not see Poseidon as a particular threat to themselves. using it for a retaliatory strike does not make much sense, because naval bases and coastal cities will already be destroyed by ballistic and cruise missiles. And if used for the first strike, the Poseidons are not capable of destroying the nuclear potential of the United States: ballistic missile silos and strategic bombers' airbases are located in the depths of the United States, and nuclear submarines deployed for combat duty must first be detected (and for this it is necessary to have a lot of nuclear submarines-hunters and a developed patrol anti-submarine aviation + tanker aircraft)
            And the question arises which side will spend "huge resources" on virtually useless weapons.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 8 November 2020 00: 58
              0
              + there is no need to develop new ASW systems against Poseidon. Everything that is there will work against him without any problems. They can accelerate and expand existing programs, no more.
              In the Western media, only Environmentalists see the problem in Poseidon. From a military point of view, an absolutely meaningless weapon.
              1. Cympak
                Cympak 8 November 2020 01: 09
                0
                In addition to the Poseidons, PLO systems will also be useful against our attack boats. Those. Possible additional costs for ASW will be justified primarily by increasing the ability to counter our submarines, and the ability to fight Poseidon is a nice bonus.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 8 November 2020 11: 04
                  0
                  When I read foreign materials on this topic, they are more concerned with the Chinese fleet than ours.
            2. Albert1988
              Albert1988 8 November 2020 15: 26
              0
              Quote: Cympak
              since using it for retaliation does not make much sense,

              And for the first one? As a serious unnerving factor when you know that carriers of such things are potentially walking next to you ...
              And then - it is important to find out how the Poseidon itself behaves - this is still an underwater drone, and not just a hefty torpedo.
  • SAG
    SAG 7 November 2020 10: 51
    -2

    No, well, that's really cool. This is exactly the case when you can write: "unparalleled in the world" and not have in the comments the whining of the all-fledged and bile liberal trolls.
    good soldier

    But no ... without whining and throwing a ram on the fan, they cannot laughing
  • megadeth
    megadeth 7 November 2020 10: 57
    -3
    The Ministry of Defense will adopt up to 32 Poseidon unmanned underwater vehicles. Please indicate the source. And so for 14 years you can thunder. Do not divulge state secrets !!!
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 7 November 2020 11: 02
    -6
    If Poseidon is blown up in the English Channel, several NATO countries can be destroyed at once, the efficiency is very high. A 100 megaton cobalt warhead will eliminate all signs of life in Western Europe for 300 years.
    Then it will be possible to send Special Forces there, and take Zolotishko from the Western depots, after that they will no longer need it.
    1. Grits
      Grits 7 November 2020 15: 13
      +2
      Quote: Dmitry Makarov
      Then it will be possible to send Special Forces there, and take Zolotishko from the Western depots, after that they will no longer need it.

      We, by the way, too. There will be no one to buy any equipment and goods for him.
      1. Dmitry Makarov
        Dmitry Makarov 7 November 2020 16: 34
        -3
        Well, not all the same fools with Russia to fight, someone will remain alive.
    2. Cympak
      Cympak 7 November 2020 23: 59
      -2
      "... and why, he does not need gold when a simple product has ...." (c) A.S. Pushkin. It was understood at the beginning of the 19th century.
    3. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 8 November 2020 14: 52
      0
      If NATO responds by detonating the atomic blocks of ICBMs over the key cities of Russia, then little will remain of our country. At best, the Chinese will have to take the gold, at worst - the blacks. At worst, the reptilians will get it in a million years.
  • Operator
    Operator 7 November 2020 11: 51
    -5
    NPA "Poseidon" is intended for installation of special warheads in two versions: 50 Mtn - two-stage thermonuclear, 100 Mtn - three-stage thermonuclear.

    What the doctor ordered to glaze coastal cities, industrial zones and naval bases, to sink AUG, missile and attack nuclear submarines bully
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 7 November 2020 12: 30
      0
      This capacity is closer to the topic, 2 megatons will not be enough, 1 megaton of the American at sea was not impressed.
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  • musorg
    musorg 7 November 2020 12: 03
    0
    Really 2022!
  • 2я19
    2я19 7 November 2020 12: 04
    +1
    2 kt is a detonator.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 7 November 2020 12: 32
      +2
      I'd say: Nessie in Loch Ness is jamming. hi
  • Old26
    Old26 7 November 2020 12: 19
    +4
    Quote: Bearded
    2 megatons is super tsunami washing away the US coastline, and 2 kilotons is a festive fireworks display.

    Wow, will it really wash away? At a distance of 9,25 km from the coast (5 miles), the wave height will be 74 meters at a power of 10 Mt (and even then, under certain hydrological conditions). And at 1 Mt - the height is 8,4 meters ... But who will let the same "Poseidon" at a distance of 10 km to the shore ???
    That would be a power of 100 MT, then yes, we can say that the coast will wash away, because theoretically the wave height will be 200 meters

    But on the east coast of the United States, this is hardly possible, since tsunami will have a great height when moving from great depths to shallow ones. On the east coast, this can be several hundred kilometers away. On the west - about 100 km.

    Quote: Halpat
    2 kilotons winked 9 times smaller than the "Kid" bomb, which was dropped on Hiroshima.
    And I remember talking about the tsunami on the half of the United States.

    Well, they talked about a tsunami in half the United States - only "especially gifted". Even a 200-meter wave will not penetrate half of the United States ... And the power of the "Kid"
    7,5-8 times less. According to the latest revised data, the capacity of the "Malysh" was 15-16 kt

    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
    moreover, 2 kilotons is quite enough for AUG.

    Don't write nonsense! Read more about Operation Crossword, which describes the distance at which the ships were sunk by surface and underwater explosions of 2 and 21 kilotons.

    Quote: Tiksi-3
    I wonder what will Khabarovsk be armed with for its protection? and will he be armed with torpedoes, so that after the shooting of the Poseidons - would turn into a hunter ??

    Unlikely. He can and will be armed with conventional torpedoes in a pair of TA (for self-defense), but he cannot physically turn into a hunter. The entire bow will be occupied by the Poseidon launchers. Where else to place a powerful GAC - no one knows ...
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 7 November 2020 18: 05
      +1
      Wow, will it really wash away?

      Do you already have XNUMXD solutions of the Saint Venant equations? Since you are so sure that it will not wash away ...
      The entire bow will be occupied by the Poseidon launchers. Where else to place a powerful GAC - no one knows

      The entire bow will be occupied by the Poseidon launchers

      And the Poseidon has negative buoyancy and therefore needs special TA ?!
      Sincerely
  • vladcub
    vladcub 7 November 2020 13: 38
    0
    Well, God forbid, not to move to the right. This is already a habit with us. But "storming", when grab your suitcase, the station went, too bad
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 7 November 2020 19: 28
      0
      Of course, it was shifted by ten years according to the precepts of Khoja Nasreddin: "In ten years, either I, the Caliph, or the donkey will die."
      Understand, in "cutting" the budget, the process is much more important than the result. Look at Rogozin's "effective manager without technical education." What Mega-Projects, what Planes-Massive!
  • Old26
    Old26 7 November 2020 20: 13
    +2
    Quote: Dmitry Makarov
    A 100 megaton cobalt warhead will eliminate all signs of life in Western Europe for 300 years.

    But in Russia?
  • Lexus
    Lexus 7 November 2020 20: 46
    +1
    "Wunderwaffle" of dubious "freshness" - the longed-for "breakfast of a scraping believer." bully
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 8 November 2020 09: 02
    0
    Interestingly, the article states: It should be noted that earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Defense plans to adopt up to 32 Poseidon underwater uninhabited vehicles, with the prospect of building four underwater carriers under them. According to the plans of the military department, two submarines with drones should be deployed in the Northern and Pacific fleets.

    Thus, the Department of Defense is violating the "rule of three", which has always been followed ???

    Here is a quote from a recent article on VO, which explained why the Russian Navy orders ships in batches of exactly six pieces:
    To clarify the situation, it is appropriate to cite excerpts from the report of the ASPI Research Institute, which reveals the essence of this approach and the answer to the question posed:

    In the military, there is a general rule of thumb known as the “rule of threes”: for every three platforms you have, you can deploy one.


    However, it is noted that this template is applicable to the army, navy and air force. If this approach is violated, then in the long term, the disorganization of troops will increase due to delayed maintenance, lack of training, personnel fatigue, and so on.

    For example, the Australian Navy currently has six Collins-class submarines. Two of them are undergoing major overhaul and modernization. Four submarines are in service, three of them are available for missions, and one submarine is available for short-term service. In this case, only two submarines should be sent to the mission, leaving one in reserve.

    This particular case demonstrates the "rule of three": one piece of equipment is permanently out of order, one is ready for temporary combat missions, and one is capable of performing full service.


    Thus, if exactly four Poseidon carriers, two per fleet (Northern and Pacific), are actually ordered and built, difficulties will arise in the deployment of these carriers ...
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 8 November 2020 20: 58
      +1
      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      Thus, the Department of Defense is violating the "rule of three", which has always been followed ???
      Here is a quote from a recent article on VO explaining why the Russian Navy

      this is a pump by a foreign author (whose article was quoted on VO)
  • K298rtm
    K298rtm 8 November 2020 11: 13
    +1
    Great news.
    One can be glad for the successes of our military-industrial complex, which has managed to create a unique apparatus (which has no analogues ...). Solved many scientific and technical problems:
    - a small-sized nuclear installation was created, operating in an automatic mode (without the participation of managers),
    - the problems of underwater navigation have been solved (if this is not done, then during a long journey the discrepancy will be more than that of the sailor Zheleznyak - ... he went to Odessa, and went to Kherson ,,,),
    - resolved the problems of ensuring secrecy, countering the forces of anti-aircraft weapons (I believe in this, I hope),
    - Etc.
    The most important thing is that everything is based on the domestic element base (how else?) And (I suppose) all this splendor (in a good way) is controlled by the AI ​​(this is not a simple torpedo: it left the TA, worked out a bag, omega, went to the depths of combat) and moved to the point of explosive detonation)
    PS
    1. I am waiting for official reports on testing at the max range (usually done by ICBMs) in a practical version.
    2. Interesting: Has the "partner" population already started building personal shelters in the Rocky Mountains?
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 8 November 2020 21: 04
      0
      Quote: K298rtm
      working in automatic mode (without the participation of managers),

      this is not news for a long time
      even in space
      Quote: K298rtm
      - the problems of underwater navigation have been solved (if this is not done, then during a long journey the discrepancy will be more than that of the sailor Zheleznyak - ... he went to Odessa, and went to Kherson ,,,),

      no, of course
      "alternative physics" in the hall of non-science fiction
      - that is why they struggled like this with the speed of this FUCK - not to let the mistakes "run too hard" (by the way, this also means the extremely limited maneuverability of the "Status" - stupid for navigational reasons
      Quote: K298rtm
      - resolved the problems of ensuring secrecy, countering the forces of anti-aircraft weapons (I believe in this, I hope),

      no, of course
      here it is appropriate to recall USET-80 in the photo of the Boreya torpedo deck
      Quote: K298rtm
      it's all on the domestic element base (how else?)

      yes you are an optimist;)
      sorry just that the reason for this "not very" ...
      Quote: K298rtm
      This splendor (in a good way) is controlled by the AI ​​(this is not a simple torpedo: it left the TA, worked out the bag, the omega, went to the combat depths and moved to the point of explosive detonation)

      this is exactly "simple and stupid" like on a torpedo (even dumber - because there is no SSN)
      Quote: K298rtm
      1. I am waiting for official reports on testing at the max range (for ICBMs this is usually done) in a practical version

      wait for the "circus with horses" wassat with GI carriers
      Quote: K298rtm
      2. Interesting: Has the "partner" population already started building personal shelters in the Rocky Mountains?

      "partners" ourselves to this crap and pushed us
      I know specific examples that ended with letters to the military department of the Central Committee of the CPSU
      1. K298rtm
        K298rtm 8 November 2020 21: 20
        0
        Maxim, we really believe in the best. TASS cannot lie to the whole world.
        Well, seriously, the worst thing is to lie to yourself.
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 8 November 2020 21: 40
          0
          Quote: K298rtm
          to believe

          these are "questions of theology"
          and I am operating with facts
          Quote: K298rtm
          But seriously, the worst thing is to lie to ourselves.

          which is exactly the place to be in AFER with "Status-6"
          - this is exactly the CRAWLER and UNDERSTANDING the real combat capability of the Navy of the country's defense, in the military-political sense, the "price" of this Crap is STRONGLY NEGATIVE

          I personally know people for reasons of principle (officer's honor) who refused to participate in this AFER (and then "dunked" the chiefs in the results belay test request )