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Naryshkin: We feel the work of Turkish intelligence in Karabakh

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The intelligence structures of Turkey are involved in the armed conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. The Russian Foreign Intelligence Service is observing certain elements of Ankara's work in the Transcaucasian region.


According to the agency RIA News, the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service Sergei Naryshkin told about this in an interview with the general director of MIA "Russia Segodnya" Dmitry Kiselev.

We feel the work of the Turkish intelligence service, we see certain elements of this work.

- said the head of the Russian intelligence service.

Earlier it was reported about militants from Syria transferred through Turkish Gaziantep to Karabakh. The Armenian Defense Ministry has twice demonstrated the interrogation of prisoners who identified themselves as immigrants from Syria.

A sharp exacerbation of the situation in the Nagorno-Karabakh region took place on September 27. The parties call each other the culprits of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. In the unrecognized Republic of Artsakh, which occupies the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, they say about regular artillery and rocket attacks on settlements, including the capital of NKR - Stepanakert.

Yerevan announced full mobilization, and Baku - partial. At the same time, the Armenian side has repeatedly declared Turkey's active military support to Azerbaijan.

The OSCE Minsk Group, which includes Russia, France and the United States, is making significant efforts to end hostilities and a peaceful settlement of the conflict. But these efforts have not yet led to an end to hostilities.
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  1. The popuas
    The popuas 6 November 2020 14: 10
    27
    We feel ... the word is so ambiguous ... request
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 6 November 2020 14: 12
      +2
      reflection of individual properties and states of the external environment by the subject of internal or external stimuli and stimuli arriving in the form of signals through the sensory system


      everything on the topic and the word is chosen correctly.
      Well, Turkish intelligence is working in the adjacent territories. This is normal. I think there is an Iranian one, in addition to the Russian one.

      This is her direct job. If they were not there - intelligence services - then these would already be questions about competencies and ambitions
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 6 November 2020 14: 28
        +4
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        This is normal.

        No, this is not normal. The Turks have nothing to do near our borders.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 6 November 2020 14: 40
          +8
          Well, these are Wishlist and desires, and you can even use it as a slogan to quickly become a marshal. But there is a harsh reality.

          It was also the ukrovoiny who shouted to me that Russian intelligence should not be in Ukraine, and I tried to explain to them that they were there, are and will be - they say this is their job

          but the guys of course didn't like it
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 6 November 2020 14: 51
            -6
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            Wishlist

            These are tasks. A vegetable floating with the flow prefers to convince itself that the flow is normal and natural. The formulation of tasks that require at least some kind of exertion of forces and real opposition to that current horrifies him.
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 6 November 2020 14: 52
              +7
              you are fighting with logic, proving that the intelligence of the Turks (of any nation, state) should not work in neighboring states.

              This is the very meaning and essence of the work of this body. Our intelligence works in the same way in the surrounding countries.


              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 6 November 2020 14: 57
                -11 qualifying.
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                logic

                A person who does not understand what the word "task" means will tell me about logic?
                1. St Petrov
                  St Petrov 6 November 2020 14: 59
                  +1
                  shouldn't, yes, Turkish intelligence work? wassat
                  And to whom would you set such a task? winked

                  How did you sleep in the 90s, during the conflict in the Caucasus? The Turks were at home in our Caucasus.
                  1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                    Boris ⁣ Shaver 6 November 2020 15: 14
                    -13 qualifying.
                    You didn’t miss taking pills for an hour?
                    1. St Petrov
                      St Petrov 6 November 2020 15: 17
                      +1
                      You didn’t miss taking pills for an hour?


                      so I talked with an analyst about the military bloc of Turks with Kazakhs
                      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 6 November 2020 15: 36
                        -13 qualifying.
                        Quote: s-t Petrov
                        talked

                        Do you think you have shown yourself to be an interesting conversationalist with whom you are directly drawn to discuss something? You do not understand the meaning of the words used, what you can talk about?
                  2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 6 November 2020 15: 15
                    +2
                    Quote: s-t Petrov
                    How did you sleep in the 90s, during the conflict in the Caucasus? The Turks were at home in our Caucasus.

                    And then!

                    Turkish spy wanted to be a Kuban Cossack
                    Interfered with the Stavropol FSB

                    Two Turkish spies were expelled from the Stavropol Territory. According to the FSB in the Stavropol Territory, they collected information about the deployment of local military units and the economic situation in the region. One of them even wanted to enroll in the Cossacks, but, feeling the surveillance, he thought it best to confess to the Chekists.

                    FSB officers for the Stavropol Territory say that since the middle of last year they have already exposed five Turkish intelligence officers. Those were interested in the location of military units, the economy of the region and even the location of the North Sea division of nuclear missile carriers. The Chekists explain the latter by the fact that the Stavropol Territory has established patronage relations with the crews of submarines. In this regard, the FSB believes that Turkish agents are at the same time fulfilling the tasks of NATO intelligence services. The failures of the Turks are not frightening, and there is no shortage of agents ...

                    "Kommersant" No. 62 dated 09.04.2001, p. 3
                    soldier
                    1. St Petrov
                      St Petrov 6 November 2020 15: 20
                      -1
                      not the best time for our counterintelligence. Thank God that this game is in the past and our services are on the rails.
              2. icant007
                icant007 6 November 2020 15: 37
                0
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                This is the very meaning and essence of the work of this body. Our intelligence works in the same way in the surrounding countries.


                Here comrade probably a little about something else.
                He means the intelligence unit. It is unlikely that ours are in Karabakh. But in Armenia there definitely is)
        2. Renator
          Renator 6 November 2020 15: 02
          0
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          The Turks have nothing to do near our borders.

          Like neighbors by the sea wink
        3. My doctor
          My doctor 6 November 2020 16: 24
          +8
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          No, this is not normal. The Turks have nothing to do near our borders.

          No, it's not normal when a person doesn't know geography. When cretinism goes off scale.
      2. The popuas
        The popuas 6 November 2020 14: 56
        +4
        reflection of individual properties and states of the external environment by the subject of internal or external stimuli and stimuli arriving in the form of signals through the sensory system laughing picked up from Gridasov lol
      3. svp67
        svp67 6 November 2020 15: 09
        13
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        everything on the topic and the word is chosen correctly.

        No ... not true. Where does he FEEL this work? Let him clarify. You can see the work, notice ...
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 6 November 2020 14: 15
      +1
      there are always enough indirect signs. the main thing here is to put everything together.
    3. The comment was deleted.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 6 November 2020 14: 35
        13
        Quote: Insurgent
        if the Turks get too insolent ...

        The plane, the ambassador, our soldiers killed by the pro-Turkish militants, the occupied territory of our ally (de facto) Syria, the elimination of our geopolitical presence in the Transcaucasus, the transfer of international terrorists to our borders, an attempt to create a military bloc on our borders (with the participation of Kazakhstan, etc.) - is this, in your opinion, not "too insolent" yet?
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 6 November 2020 14: 42
          -8
          we broke their project in Syria - ishilu. I think they are upset too
          attempt to create a military bloc

          nevertheless, they dream of joining a bloc with a rather weak state (whose industry creates rare copies from spare parts coming from different countries), which does not have nuclear weapons, and trample on the Rossiyushka, which has more nuclear warheads than the Turks' military units and whose industry creates everything, from aviation to tanks
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 6 November 2020 14: 54
            -3
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            they are upset too

            Quote: s-t Petrov
            still dream

            Let the girl from the Turkish harem worry about what the Turk is upset about today and what he dreams about.
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 6 November 2020 14: 55
              -3
              So, what kind of buns will Kazakhstan get from a military bloc with the Turks?
              Protect? No. Open up the market? So it is open with us with Kazakhs and there are 3 times more of us.

              What will be the meaning for the Kazakhs from this union?
        2. icant007
          icant007 6 November 2020 15: 39
          +1
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          elimination of our geopolitical presence in Transcaucasia


          Well, this is not a claim against Turkey, but, first of all, against ourselves. Secondly, to the Transcaucasian states themselves.
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 6 November 2020 14: 53
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        They will tell them how in 2014 the CIA elite disappeared in the Slavyansk region.

        "CIA elite" is a meme like "Buryat tankers", or what?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 6 November 2020 15: 02
          +3
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          "CIA elite" is a meme like "Buryat tankers", or what?

          No, this is a real subdivision that actually disappeared "nowhere" in the Slavyansk region at the very beginning of the events of 2014.
          The uproar about this at the beginning was not humorous, but then the case was "hushed up". As if nothing had happened.
          The parties are not particularly willing to demonstrate such things. Just remember the incident with the SBU special group and the battle on the border with Crimea. If it were not for the "Biden tapes", nothing would "surface" for a very long time, and maybe never ...
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 6 November 2020 15: 10
            0
            Quote: Insurgent
            The uproar about this at the beginning was not humorous, but then the case was "hushed up". As if nothing had happened.

            so maybe it wasn't?
            Quote: Insurgent
            The parties are not particularly willing to demonstrate such things.

            of course, of course. It remains to believe the oral epic of "eyewitnesses" without proofs, yeah. Or do you have your own insider in Langley?
    4. Borik
      Borik 6 November 2020 14: 27
      +2
      Yes, they feel and even see some elements there. And what are these explanations? And this is the Director of Foreign Intelligence. Or he is so vaguely explained only to the media. And who should, then as it should-without any allegories.
      1. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 7 November 2020 05: 23
        0
        I personally don’t understand why the SVR director is speaking. in such a position, you just need to grin meaningfully and smile maliciously. Well, that would be more terrible to catch up. and there are all sorts of press secretaries for the joke. who are even more obliged to catch up with any blizzard. and then let them figure out who and what they had in mind.
    5. Lexus
      Lexus 6 November 2020 14: 33
      +3
      Like in a joke. yes

      - Do you feel your finger "inside"?
      - I feel it.
      - And here they are!
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 6 November 2020 14: 51
        -7
        - Do you feel your finger "inside"?
        - I feel it.
        - And here they are!


        anecdotes from the opposition
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 6 November 2020 15: 01
          +5
          Just about you, "positioners", your "fabulous hand of the driver" and his "magic". laughing
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 6 November 2020 15: 03
            -8
            I understood. keep on fighting
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 6 November 2020 15: 11
              +2
              I realized

              Don't sugarcoat your abilities. Make me laugh.
              1. St Petrov
                St Petrov 6 November 2020 15: 11
                -7
                I've been making you funny for 20 years. oppositionist
                and I am very lucky that you are molded from a material of this quality.

                It would be dangerous if our oppositionists could do something.
                But your infirmity gives me confidence in tomorrow, so to speak

                so write more jokes. This is your calling. Zelensky's colleague on jokes on the piano
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 6 November 2020 15: 41
                  +1
                  You step into you - and then "amber" does not lag behind for a long time. stop
                  1. St Petrov
                    St Petrov 6 November 2020 15: 52
                    -9
                    Well, tell someone else about your troubles, who is interested
                    sad oppositionist
    6. Terenin
      Terenin 6 November 2020 14: 44
      +6
      Naryshkin: We feel the work of Turkish intelligence in Karabakh
      Let's hope that the Turkish intelligence in Karabakh will feel the work of our intelligence.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 6 November 2020 16: 44
        +4
        Quote: Terenin
        Let's hope that the Turkish intelligence in Karabakh will feel the work of our intelligence.

        Are you worried about the Turks? Not. Better to let our intelligence work covertly, not giving any sensations, even the Turks.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 6 November 2020 17: 06
          +2
          Quote: Stas157
          Are you worried about the Turks?
          Busurman for them. I can't even eat.

          Quote: Stas157
          Better to let our intelligence work covertly, not giving any sensations, even the Turks.
          It looks like this is how it works winked
    7. Svarog
      Svarog 6 November 2020 14: 55
      +3
      Quote: Popuas
      We feel ... the word is so ambiguous ... request

      We do not have reliable information that Russia has a foreign intelligence service, so we are inclined to believe that it does not.
      The comment is not mine ... copied on Mile. But I liked it ..
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 6 November 2020 21: 06
        -1
        - Do you see the offshore?
        - No!
        - And he is.


        In the course of other tasks, except to confuse the traces of the withdrawal of the loot by the "family" from Russia, the SVR is not assigned. Therefore, they cannot “boast of the results”.
    8. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 6 November 2020 17: 00
      +1
      Everything else is felt .... only one is felt. laughing
    9. icant007
      icant007 6 November 2020 17: 44
      -3
      Quote: Popuas
      We feel ... the word is so ambiguous ..


      Quite understandable assessment from Popuas)))

      But seriously, I also have some strange sensations from this "feel")

      Maybe this is the code of a professional intelligence officer - "we feel", it means near Shusha)

      Personally, I have an association with "feel" - Shushan Stepanyan)
    10. mark2
      mark2 6 November 2020 18: 20
      +1
      And he, like a Jedi, does not see, but feels indignation in power laughing
    11. venik
      venik 6 November 2020 21: 48
      +3
      Quote: Popuas
      We feel ... the word is so ambiguous ... request

      =======
      WHAT do you think the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service could say ??? Are we fixing? Yes, and lay out SPECIFIC FACTS? So it means "burn" the station! It is with such FLOWED formulations that he can only operate!
    12. tomket
      tomket 7 November 2020 14: 29
      0
      Quote: Popuas
      We feel ... the word is so ambiguous

      One should not feel but oppose their work. Mr. Narshkin, what are you doing there? Feel and express concerns, deep ...
  2. Alexga
    Alexga 6 November 2020 14: 17
    +7
    So the question arises, why is Turkish intelligence working in the zone of Russian interests, and not Russian !?
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 6 November 2020 14: 18
      -4
      Russian intelligence works even in the United States on another continent, in Turkey and even some sort of Montenegro. Our intelligence knew better about the movements in Turkey than the Turkish (a certain part of it), and at the time of the coup attempt, it transmitted data about the conspiracy to the Turks

      Why is Turkish intelligence working in the zone of Russian interests, and not Russian !?


      these are not mutually exclusive things. Turkish and Russian and others work there.
    2. Volodin
      Volodin 6 November 2020 14: 18
      +5
      Quote: AlexGa
      So the question arises, why is Turkish intelligence working in the zone of Russian interests, and not Russian !?

      A possible answer to this question could be the work of Russian intelligence in the zone of Turkish interests. Only t-s-s-s ...)))
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 6 November 2020 14: 40
        +1
        Quote: Volodin
        A possible answer to this question could be the work of Russian intelligence in the zone of Turkish interests. Only t-s-s-s ...)))

        it seems that the Turks arrested six employees of the Bosphorus Gaza Strip for spying for unnamed country... But, considering that B.G. until 2018 belonged to Gazprom ...
        )))
  3. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 6 November 2020 14: 20
    0
    The parties call each other the culprits of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict.
    and this is true. 30 years of negotiations and no consensus. From a word at all. And now, as in the song: "Come to our light" (c) the Turks and dropped in. If anyone has any thoughts to sit down at the negotiating table, the Turkish "comrades" are led astray.
  4. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 6 November 2020 14: 21
    +2
    Now the Ministry of Defense of the Azerbaijan Vilayet will come out with a statement that Naryshkin is actually Armenian, his surname Naryshkanyan and the statement is a complete lie and the FSE is lying and the mighty Turanian again took Shushi and killed a million tanks. laughing
    1. Renator
      Renator 6 November 2020 14: 29
      -14 qualifying.
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      the mighty Turanian took Shushi again and killed a million tanks.

      Zhenya, I served in the Turkish army as a commando, to be honest, do not underestimate, you are far from Earth to Mars, so laughing
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 6 November 2020 14: 34
        +9
        exactly) where do you just come from the commando?)) have you watched the movie?) or just say, except on VO, an original thing? I'll tell you a terrible secret to the commando - you're not original at all) here such special forces appear every day) and always win everyone, please note)))
        1. Renator
          Renator 6 November 2020 14: 42
          -13 qualifying.
          Quote: carstorm 11
          movie revisited

          Da Rambeau looked closely wink laughing
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 6 November 2020 15: 20
          +5
          Quote: carstorm 11
          here such special forces appear every day)

          tell me, camerade, were there any Honduran special forces?
          No?
          OK! I am a number van!
          laughing
          (photo taken in Tegucigalpa, all garlic!)
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 6 November 2020 14: 55
        +3
        Quote: Renator
        I served in the Turkish army as a commando, to be honest, do not underestimate, you are far from Earth to Mars, so


        Oh oh




        And even more so - a projectile (video):

      3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 6 November 2020 15: 07
        +9
        Quote: Renator
        I served in the Turkish army as a commando

        Did he work as an animator at the hotel?
        Quote: Renator
        Da Rambeau looked closely

        well it is clear.
      4. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 6 November 2020 15: 15
        +5
        Quote: Renator

        Zhenya, I served in the Turkish army as a commando, to be honest, do not underestimate, you are far from Earth to Mars, so laughing

        I just grabbed my heart No. and to be honest - well, it has not been so much fun for a long time, commAndos - you were not even admitted to the final part even before the World Special Forces competition.
        Quote: Renator
        , you are far from Earth to Mars, so laughing

        Was it an astronaut, or did you see it through a telescope? Where does such deep knowledge in astronomy come from? I even put a PLUS, and I ask all members of the forum to join - such humorists are necessary for the site, It's boring without you laughing
        1. Skarpzd
          Skarpzd 7 November 2020 05: 29
          +1
          no, why are you so ... scare off the commandos. and so at least some kind of humor. don't look at Petrosyan ...
      5. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 6 November 2020 16: 08
        +3
        Quote: Renator
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        the mighty Turanian took Shushi again and killed a million tanks.

        Zhenya, I served in the Turkish army as a commando, to be honest, do not underestimate, you are far from Earth to Mars, so laughing

        Are commandos in Turkey called special forces? Or, as in Syria - humanly trained infantry?
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 6 November 2020 21: 20
          +4
          Albert hi ,
          the question is topical, as they say, "on the forehead", but the readiness of the "receiving side" along the way turned out to be so "high" that it suddenly fell below the belt. good
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 November 2020 21: 27
            +3
            Greetings! hi
            Maybe the guy always dreamed of serving as a commando after watching the movie of the same name with Schwarzenegger? ))
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 6 November 2020 21: 53
              +4
              "Cardboard" warriors are the most warlike. Because the "meat" has not been seen.
            2. The comment was deleted.
        2. no one
          no one 6 November 2020 22: 36
          +1
          Army special forces. Normally trained contract soldiers participating in hostilities. Conscripts are just serving time
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 November 2020 22: 42
            +2
            Quote: neden
            Army special forces. Normally trained contract soldiers participating in hostilities. Conscripts are just serving time

            Thanks for the specifics! hi
        3. Renator
          Renator 7 November 2020 00: 13
          -1
          Special Forces are units and subunits in the armed forces designed to solve specific tasks in the interests of achieving political, economic and military goals. The formations of the SSPN are in the Land Forces, the Navy and the Air Force, as well as in the gendarme troops. Their total number is about 50 thousand people. The personnel have high professional training and are equipped with modern weapons and military equipment.

          The organizational and staff structure of the regular armed forces includes:

          1. NE - four commando brigades, mountain commando brigade, two separate commando regiments, search and rescue unit.

          2. Air Force - SSpN groups for search and rescue of crews of aviation equipment shot down behind enemy lines and two air squadrons of transfer of special units.

          3. Navy - special forces SAT (combat swimmers-saboteurs) and SAS (combat swimmers defense).

          4. Gendarme troops - gendarme commando brigade and tactical gendarme regiment commando.

          Special forces can be deployed on enemy territory, in areas where hostilities are prohibited, in an unstable political situation, at the stage of aggravation of a regional or international situation. In solving these tasks, they use special forms and methods of combat operations, among which a special place is given to reconnaissance and sabotage and counter-terrorist operations, as well as raid operations behind enemy lines, and, if necessary, they perform search and rescue operations. In accordance with the charters and instructions developed in the Turkish Armed Forces, they can be applied both in war and in peacetime.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 7 November 2020 00: 21
            +2
            50 is a lot. For a country with a population of 000 million
            In 2017, the number of combat personnel of the Turkish Armed Forces, excluding reservists, was 612 862 people
            8% - special forces? Probably, there are very different, for each part, selection criteria and level of training hi
            1. Renator
              Renator 7 November 2020 00: 42
              0
              [quote = Krasnodar] 50 is a lot. For a country with a population of 000 million [/ q
              In the 90s, when the PKK was very active, it is possible that we are talking about conscripts and not the upper elite.
              Special Forces of the Republic of Turkey (2013)
              http://factmil.com/
            2. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 7 November 2020 00: 45
              +2
              Quote: Krasnodar
              50 is a lot. For a country with a population of 000 million
              In 2017, the number of combat personnel of the Turkish Armed Forces, excluding reservists, was 612 862 people
              8% - special forces? Probably, there are very different, for each part, selection criteria and level of training hi

              Quite right Albert hi and all are awarded with signs:
              Excellent Chef
              Great Firefighter
              Excellent Pontoner (there is one)
              Excellent Signalist
              This is also a Special Forces, in a way!
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 7 November 2020 01: 31
                +2
                Aleksey, the Syrians had quite a lot of "commandos" before the Civil War.
                There it was just normally trained infantry from people trained, in principle, with an education of 8 classes and above with good health)).
                Their special task during the defense was to protect Damascus from the AT Zionists, after the latter suffered losses during the assault on the first lines of defense, populated by soldiers with basic training and fig education. In the offensive they have the function of attack aircraft.
                Therefore, not knowing the specific tasks, I can assume that 50 thousand Turkish commandos are very different and the units include the "service personnel" you listed)).
      6. icant007
        icant007 6 November 2020 16: 11
        -1
        Quote: Renator
        I served in the Turkish army as a commando, I will honestly not be underestimated,


        Yes, we have here, in the words of Schwarzenegger, "green berets for breakfast")))

        What are we commandos, here we win with a word VERBUM VINCET)))
      7. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 6 November 2020 18: 56
        +4
        Quote: Renator
        served in the Turkish army as a commando, to be honest <...>

        Why are you all so funny a cock? Is this your mentality?
        In the understanding of a Russian person, only a stupid and cowardly bird spreads its feathers in this way. It's especially funny that all these antics are useless. The pitiful bird will still be used for its intended purpose. This has happened more than once.
        "It's better to be than to seem" (c)
        1. Renator
          Renator 6 November 2020 19: 38
          -6
          What a rich Zhenya, there are so many lawyers! But in my opinion there is no accountant. And the accountant will be more important, he overestimates his capabilities
    2. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik 6 November 2020 15: 00
      -2
      They will not come out ... they are busy with others ... they pass your camp through a meat grinder ...))
    3. icant007
      icant007 6 November 2020 16: 08
      -1
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Now the Ministry of Defense of the Azerbaijan Vilayet will come out with a statement that Naryshkin is actually an Armenian,


      The main thing is that Shoigu is a Turk)))
  5. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 6 November 2020 14: 22
    13
    The intelligence structures of Turkey are involved in the armed conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. The Russian Foreign Intelligence Service is observing certain elements of Ankara's work in the Transcaucasian region.

    I don't even have to serve in intelligence to say this! wink
    Sitting in front of the computer, I can say with a 99% probability that intelligence of the Russian Federation, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iran and, less likely, Georgia are working there. laughing
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 6 November 2020 15: 25
      10
      Quote: ZEMCH
      Sitting in front of the computer, I can say with a 99% probability that intelligence of the Russian Federation, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iran and, less likely, Georgia are working there.

      Somali intelligence is not doing very well yet ... Phenotype gives out. Sadness ...
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 6 November 2020 15: 39
        +2

        well, it happens, hahahah)
        1. Skarpzd
          Skarpzd 7 November 2020 05: 33
          0
          pale yellow - do not pour on the left. contempt.
      2. Kapral Alphych
        Kapral Alphych 7 November 2020 06: 59
        0
        And this habit, damn it, taking everyone hostage, forever spoils the whole legend recourse
    2. icant007
      icant007 6 November 2020 16: 12
      0
      Quote: ZEMCH
      walking in front of the computer, I can say with a 99% probability that the intelligence of the Russian Federation, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iran and, less likely, Georgia is working there.



      They forgot about Israel)
  6. Konnick
    Konnick 6 November 2020 14: 26
    +6
    The head of the SVR, who had never worked in the SVR as an ordinary employee, became the largest intelligence specialist. His position is to hand over a report drawn up by SVR officers personally to Putin. Typically these transmitters are referred to as transmitters.
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 6 November 2020 14: 39
      +4
      Quote: Konnick
      Typically these transmitters are referred to as transmitters.
      wassat Now it is clear why he is talking about sensations ... lol
    2. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 6 November 2020 15: 51
      +4
      Quote: Konnick
      The head of the SVR, who had never worked in the SVR as an ordinary employee, became the largest intelligence specialist. His position is to hand over a report drawn up by SVR officers personally to Putin. Typically these transmitters are referred to as transmitters.

      belay Usually such employees are called heads of departments (the same applies to heads of regional offices), i.e. they are public persons, in addition to general management functions with access through the "Secret" (as a rule, his 1st deputy for operational work is not public), and they also "trade in a person" along with the press service.
      Quote: Konnick
      The head of the SVR, who had never worked in the SVR as an ordinary employee, became the largest intelligence specialist.

      Naryshkin never served in the SVR?
      Was Naryshkin immediately appointed a leader without experience?

      As a rule, in such departments, the priority in the appointment of the head is the employees with operational experience ...
  7. Runway
    Runway 6 November 2020 14: 31
    10
    On the third day, the Indian learned that the barn had no wall ...
    The phrase "Significant efforts .... did not lead to the termination of the database." laughing this is from a series of "May decrees" - to hug and cry ...
  8. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 6 November 2020 14: 35
    +3
    = We feel the work of the Turkish intelligence service, we see some elements of this work. =
    And it is not necessary to feel it, but to neutralize it in the most harsh way, so that the Turks understand that this is not their diocese.
  9. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 6 November 2020 14: 36
    -1
    If this is said by the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service, the one who needs to hear! It's just that such people don't speak!
  10. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 6 November 2020 14: 43
    -3
    Death to Spies!
    Long live the scouts!
    1. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 7 November 2020 05: 35
      0
      then the counterintelligence officers.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 7 November 2020 10: 27
        0
        Yes, and they too!
  11. Renator
    Renator 6 November 2020 14: 46
    -7
    Yerevan announced full mobilization, and Baku - partial. At the same time, the Armenian side has repeatedly declared Turkey's active military support to Azerbaijan.
    And Turkey has never hidden that it supports Azerbaijan!
  12. flicker
    flicker 6 November 2020 14: 48
    +1
    And what is the article about?
    request
    Well, keep watching the "sensations"
    1. The popuas
      The popuas 6 November 2020 14: 54
      +4
      About sensations laughing
      1. Pilot
        Pilot 6 November 2020 14: 56
        +4
        Found a partner with tomatoes, now they feel ... laughing
    2. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 6 November 2020 14: 54
      +5
      And what is the article about?
      Not an ambiguous hint that Baku will dance to the Turkish tune to the tacit support of Armenia or to the counter-terrorist operation in Karabakh, not that everyone will have time to scatter.
  13. Raven 95
    Raven 95 6 November 2020 14: 51
    13
    We sense the work of Turkish intelligence in Karabakh

    It reminded me that
    The American military is interfering in the internal affairs of the USSR in all parts of the world
    laughing
  14. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 6 November 2020 15: 05
    +7
    Naryshkin: We feel the work of Turkish intelligence in Karabakh

    So what? After the downed Su-24, you had to remember the feeling of Turkish tomatoes and give hands to those who signed contracts for the South Stream, the sale of the S-400, the construction of a nuclear power plant and other "outpourings of joy" in the development of the Turkish sultanate.
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 6 November 2020 15: 24
      +1
      After the downed Su-24 you should have remembered the feeling of Turkish tomatoes
      Yes, good ones, meaty ...)
      We will remind, a powerful explosion thundered on Thursday at the headquarters of the Turkish armed forces next to the parliament and government building. 26 military pilots and two civilians were killed, more than 60 people were injured.
      A hint that a terrorist attack against Turkish pilots could be revenge for the death of Russian pilot Oleg Peshkov, who was shot down by the Turkish Air Force in November last year, also sounded in the blogosphere. The authors did not rule out that among the killed Turkish pilots there could be those who participated in the attack on the Russian bomber.
  15. Prisoner
    Prisoner 6 November 2020 15: 05
    +1
    "They feel a cunning root crop in a certain place," my foreman said. Intelligence should not feel, but know or, in extreme cases, assume and then find out.
  16. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 6 November 2020 15: 11
    +2
    The national intelligence organization and military intelligence of the Turkish General Staff, these are the main intelligence agencies of Turkey, the first representatives of the Turkish special services appeared in Baku earlier than 1993, which was facilitated by Heydar Aliyev, a former employee of the USSR KGB, by the way Polad Bul Bul oglu, from the movie "Do not be afraid, I am with you "according to information from the media, he was related to the Turkish special services, in my opinion he was even the ambassador of Azerbaijan to Russia, but during the military operations in the North Caucasus, the actions of representatives of the Turkish special services to support bandit formations periodically surfaced in the media, so Naryshkin only hinted a little, smart enough
    1. icant007
      icant007 6 November 2020 16: 16
      -1
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      by the way Polad Bul Bul oglu, from the movie "Don't be afraid, I'm with you", according to information from the media, was related to the Turkish special services, in my opinion he was even the ambassador of Azerbaijan to Russia,


      He is still an ambassador.
  17. yfast
    yfast 6 November 2020 15: 40
    -1
    Quote: c-Petrov
    I've been making you funny for 20 years. oppositionist

    The Armenians have also been doing funny things for many years, now they are clearing it up. Don't underestimate the opposition.
    Someday sane people will come there. All sorts of zeroing, retirement ages, investigations about honestly earned trillion, tens of billions in the apartments of real colonels, dishonest elections and other crap will sooner or later do their job, and you will continue to think that you are doing funny.
  18. flicker
    flicker 6 November 2020 17: 40
    0
    Naryshkin's message is clear
    We feel the work of the Turkish intelligence service, we see certain elements of this work.
    they say, the Turks are there, but so far they have not crawled out of the frame ... like, we are watching ... and as soon as, then immediately ..
    ---
    And what did the author of the article want to say?
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 6 November 2020 19: 49
      -2
      Quote: flicker
      Naryshkin's message is clear. And what did the author of the article want to say?

      He just wanted to say tongue
      1. Kuzmitsky
        6 November 2020 20: 05
        +2
        Well, if Naryshkin's message is clear, the author can be calm :)
        1. flicker
          flicker 6 November 2020 20: 28
          +2
          Well, in general, the message became clear from the full interview, where it was about the ties between the Turkish and British special services and their participation in Karabakh.
          The presence of the former, according to Naryshkin, is felt there, while the latter are not.
          ---
          And the phrase is taken out of context, also for some reason.
          1. Rubina
            Rubina 7 November 2020 09: 54
            -1
            I have nothing to do with military affairs, but even to me it seems obvious that against the background of constant threats and attempts from the Armenian side to blow up the pipeline, British, Turkish and even American intelligence should be idiots in order not to try to prevent it. potential damage to their companies. Even on this site, recommendations periodically pop up to hit our oil structure.
  19. Mwg
    Mwg 6 November 2020 19: 15
    +1
    Something we have SVR something wrong. Either they feel the work of other people's special services, or they do not see the artificiality of the coronavirus at close range, although there is a publicly available report on its manufacture. Wonderful are your works, O Lord ...
  20. Lesorub
    Lesorub 6 November 2020 19: 30
    +2
    Russian Foreign Intelligence Service observes certain elements of Ankara's work in the Transcaucasian region

    Naryshkin needed to be told that the Turkish intelligence service feels the work of counterintelligence in the Transcaucasian region. (everything else is a passive observer)
  21. Normal ok
    Normal ok 6 November 2020 19: 33
    0
    That's really Naryshkin, - the captain is obvious. It would be strange if Turkish intelligence did not work in the Caucasus.
  22. iouris
    iouris 6 November 2020 23: 02
    0
    How to say it in Russian ... - we feel it.
    Our leaders have learned a lot: we need to be closer to the "land" ...
  23. Berkut154
    Berkut154 6 November 2020 23: 39
    0
    I can feel worms in my ass))) and this is the head of the department of a great country !!! Damn, well, no one can think of him in the official language ??? But this is a failure, comrades)
  24. Kapral Alphych
    Kapral Alphych 7 November 2020 06: 40
    +1
    "- We sense the activity of American intelligence in the highest echelons of power." - citizens of Russia.
  25. fif21
    fif21 7 November 2020 08: 47
    0
    the conclusion of the theme - a joint photo of Ralph Barik and Shi Zhengli. Photo taken in Wuhan, October 2018:




    Mouse SARS-2007

    Here I cannot but mention what kind of “mouse virus MA15” it was in the previous work. This is not at all some natural mouse coronavirus, as one might assume. And this is a laboratory modified human SARS-CoV, which in 2007 the same Barik's group - apparently competing with the Shi Zhengli group (remember their article from 2007) - turned into a real murine killer. To do this, they first iteratively “improved” it in mice, and when after several iterations it became as “effective” as possible, they reproduced the mutations in the synthetic clone of the new virus that had arisen in mice, and once again checked that it really has increased infectivity:
    We adapted SARS-CoV (Urbani strain) by serial passage in the airways of young BALB / c mice. Fifteen passages resulted in a virus (MA15) which is lethal to mice following intranasal inoculation. Mortality is preceded by rapid replication of the virus with a high titer in the lungs, viremia and spread of the virus to the extrapulmonary areas, accompanied by lymphopenia, neutrophilia and pathological changes in the lungs. Abundant viral antigen is widespread in bronchial epithelial cells and alveolar pneumocytes, and necrotic cellular debris is present in the airways and alveoli with mild and focal pneumonitis. These observations indicate that MA15-infected mice die of overwhelming viral infection with extensive, virus-mediated destruction of pneumocytes and ciliated epithelial cells. The MA15 virus has six coding mutations associated with adaptation and increased virulence; when introduced into a recombinant SARS-CoV, these mutations result in a highly virulent and lethal virus (rMA15) duplicating the phenotype of the biologically derived MA15 virus. Intranasal MA15 inoculation mimics many of the disease aspects seen in severe human SARS cases.
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    Barik-2008

    By the way, about the rivalry between Barik and Shi Zhengli. In parallel with the transplantation of RBD from human SARS-CoV to mouse, his group created the same chimeras with bat strains. In 2008, Barik's group took the Bat-SCoV bat strain and replaced the RBD in the spike protein with RBD from the human SARS. That is, in fact, she repeated the work of Shi Zhengli from 2007, only not limiting herself to pseudo-viruses, but creating a real chimeric coronavirus - and not some kind of mouse as in the work of 2015, but the most human one. The authors were clearly proud of their achievement:
    Here we report on the development, synthesis and isolation of the largest synthetic replicating life form of 29,7 kb, the Bat Coronavirus (Bat-SCoV), similar to Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), a likely precursor to the SARS-CoV epidemic.
    ...
    To test if RBDs Bat-SCoV and SARS-CoV are interchangeable, we replaced RBD Bat-SCoV (amino acids 323-505) with RBD SARS-CoV (amino acids 319-518) (27, 28) (GenBank registration number FJ211860). mimicking theoretical recombination that can occur during mixed infection in vivo (Fig. 1B).
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    (B) Schematic diagram showing the organization of the spike proteins SARS-CoV and Bat-SCoV. The engineered proteins are shown below with the name of the virus on the left. Bat-SRBD includes the entire Bat-SCoV spike protein sequence, except that RBD Bat-SCoV (Bat-SCoV amino acids 323-505) has been replaced with RBD SARS-CoV (amino acids 319-518) (GenBank accession number FJ211860). Bat-SRBD-MA enables RBD change in MA15 spike protein to SARS-CoV Y436H. Bat-SRBM includes a minimum of 13 SARS-CoV residues critical for contact with ACE2, resulting in a chimeric RBD with Bat-SCoV amino acids 323I-429T and SARS-CoV amino acids 426R-518D. Bat-Hinge is a Bat-SRBM sequence where the Bat-SCoV 392L-397E amino acids have been replaced with SARS-CoV 388V-393D amino acids. Bat-F includes the nucleotide sequence 1–24057 of SARS-CoV (up to amino acid 855 in the spine protein) with the remaining 3 'sequence from Bat-SCoV. To the right of the schematic images are the observed data on transcriptional activity and the approximate titers at the 1st passage (P1). ND indicates no infectious virus has been detected.
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    Barik-2016

    There are many remakes in Barik's work. For example, in 2016, he practically repeated the same collaboration with Shi Zhengli from 2015 to create a chimeric virus, only this time he inserted a piece of spike protein into the mouse-adapted SARS not from RsSCH014, but from another found by Shi Zhengli in Yunnan. close relative - Rs3367. Well, or, to be more precise, from the WIV1 strain, a laboratory clone Rs3367, grown in cell culture at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2013. Here's what exactly Barik's group did in 2016:
    Using the SARS-CoV infectious clone as a template (7), we developed and synthesized a full-length infectious clone WIV1-CoV, consisting of six plasmids that could be enzymatically cut, ligated together and electroporated into cells to obtain replication competent virions (Fig. . S1A). In addition to the full-length clone, we also created the chimeric virus WIV1-CoV, which replaced the spike protein in SARS with the protein from WIV1 in a mouse-adapted framework (WIV1-MA15, Fig. S1B). … To confirm the kinetics of growth and replication, Vero cells were infected with SARS-CoV Urbani, WIV1-MA15 and WIV1-CoV.
    Mr. Naryshkin Are you in your place? I give you information.
  26. fif21
    fif21 7 November 2020 09: 07
    0
    The main problem with such evidence is that even a man-made virus simply may not have it. Roughly speaking, a good genetic engineer can create a synthetic virus "identical to natural". Moreover, researchers often deliberately introduce some synonymous mutations into their designs so that later one can distinguish between their strain and the natural one. But if the creator of the virus does not disclose these hand-made markers himself, it is impossible to distinguish them from natural mutations.

    But sometimes traces can remain, especially if the creators do not try to hide the man-made design of their design. First of all, we are talking about the places of DNA cuts (let me remind you that manipulations with RNA viruses are carried out precisely in their complementary DNA constructs), which are necessary for creators to stitch different segments of the genome or to cut out old and insert new sections. After all, DNA can be cut not in arbitrary places (Crisper does not count), but only where the sequence of nucleotides (usually 4-6 "letters") coincides with the sequence that one or another restriction enzyme recognizes, that is, an enzyme that cleaves nucleotide chains ... However, this analysis is complicated by the fact that there are hundreds of different types of restriction enzymes used in genetic engineering. But let's try to do such an analysis for CoV2.

    To begin with, an example of the work of Barik's group from 2008, where they took Bat-SCoV and replaced RBD in its spike protein with RBD from human SARS. Here's how they describe the creation of their chimera:


    Schematic representation of SARS-CoV and Bat-SCoV variants.
    (A) Schematic representation of the SARS-CoV and Bat-SCoV genomes (GenBank accession number FJ211859) and the reverse genetics system. (Top) arrows indicate the processing sites of the viral nsp protease within the ORF1ab polyprotein (open arrows, papain-like protease; filled arrows, nsp5 [3C-like protease]). Immediately below are the fragments used in the reverse genetics system, designated A to F. The fragments synthesized to create Bat-SCoV faithfully reproduce the compounds of SARS-CoV fragments, except that Bat-SCoV has 2 fragments, Bat-E1 and Bat-E2, which correspond to the SARS-E fragment.
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    As you can see, at first, Barik's group created a synthetic clone of the bat Bat-SCoV, moreover, "according to the patterns" of the synthetic clone SARS-CoV they had already created earlier. That is, for the bat clone, they used the same 6 segments with the same restriction enzyme sites that they had previously used for SARS-CoV, which allowed them to swap the virus segments between different strains like Lego pieces. Here is a detailed description of the creation of the chimeric mutant:
    Viruses containing PCR-generated inserts in the viral genome were obtained using the SARS-CoV assembly strategy (24, 33, 53) with the following modifications. Briefly, for Bat-F virus, full length cDNA was constructed by ligating restriction products from SARS-CoV AE fragments and Bat-SCoV F fragment, which required digestion with Bgl-NotI. For Bat-SCoV and Bat-SRBD, Bat-SRBM and Bat-Hinge, plasmids containing 7 cDNA fragments of the Bat-SCoV genome were digested using BglI for Bat-A, Bat-B, Bat-C and Bat-D, BglI and AflII for Bat-E1 and Bat-E2 and BglI and NotI for Bat-F. The cleaved, purified fragments were simultaneously ligated together. Transcription was performed using the m7Message mMachine kit (Ambion), then RNA was electroporated into Vero cells (24, 53).
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    All of these three-letter abbreviations (BglI, AflII, NotI, etc.) in the above clause are different types of restriction enzymes. Let's see if there will be any noticeable differences in restriction enzyme sites in the genome (spike protein) of the chimera compared to the genome of the original SARS-CoV:



    As you can see, the sites of restriction enzymes in the chimera are almost identical to those pieces of the original sequences in Bat-SCoV or SARS, from where they were taken. The only differences are noticeable in the stitching points of the inserted SARS piece. For example, the left (5'-) edge of the insert:



    Here Bat-SCoV and SARS had a common identical nucleotide region (the intersection of the turquoise and pink regions), and there are no new restriction enzyme sites at the site of the linking of the two sequences, but on the contrary the SspI site from SARS disappeared. And here is the right (3'-) edge of the insert:



    Here, in the place of gluing, on the contrary, all the old restriction enzyme sites remained, and even new ones appeared, for example, EcoRII. If I didn't know that the chimeric genome is the result of man-made manipulations, could I understand this by looking at these 3 sequences? It is unlikely, even if I had some suspicions crept in, it certainly is not beyond a reasonable doubt. Perhaps, for specialists in genetic engineering, this would be seen by some other signs, I do not presume to argue - here I will be glad to any educational program.

    But anyway, let's compare the spike protein in RaTG13, CoV2 and pangolin-19. Suddenly there something will jump out on us, how it will jump out!

    This is what RBD (highlighted in light green) and RBM (yellow) look like for all three:



    What's so interesting? It was curious to see the EcoRI site on the 5'-edge of the RBM for all three (the first joint between the light green and yellow areas) - very convenient. I wonder how common this is with other strains? A cursory analysis showed that our trinity are the record holders for the number of such sites in the genome; other bat strains have only 5 of them:



    Returning to the RBD analysis, among the features of CoV2, new restriction enzyme sites can be noted, marked with red rectangles - they coincide with unique mutations in the amino acid sequence (also marked with red rectangles on amino acid sequences in the far right column). Just in case, I have highlighted a few more new sites: blue rectangles and a green rectangle, which is located in the region of the only amino acid that differs between RBM CoV2 and pangolin-19.

    Let's also compare the location of the PRRA insert, which created a furin site in CoV2, for all three strains:



    Here, too, several new sites have appeared (highlighted in blue) on either side of the new insert. Could they have been used to create a furin site? In theory, yes. But the insertion could be done using existing sites, or even creating segments with new sites, which are then connected "seamlessly", that is, without creating new sites at the junction. If you remember, Barik used this technology back in 2002 to create a synthetic clone of the mouse coronavirus:
    The junctions of the restriction sites, which are located at the ends of each cDNA, are systematically removed during the assembly of the complete full-length cDNA product, allowing reassembly without altering nucleotides.
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    And in 2003 he repeated on a synthetic clone SARS-CoV:
    To quickly assemble consensus clones, we used class IIS restriction endonucleases, which cut at asymmetric regions and leave asymmetric ends. These enzymes generate specific, unique overhangs that provide seamless ligation of two cDNAs with the consequent loss of the restriction site.
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    Today, the technology of juggling gene sequences is already so automated and put on stream that in a Chinese article from October 2019 about inserting a new furin site into chicken coronavirus, only a couple of sentences are assigned to its description:
    2.2. Creation of a recombinant virus
    The recombinant rYN-S2 / RRKR virus containing a spike protein with a furin site S2 'was obtained by vaccinia recombination as described previously [20, 28]. Briefly, a plasmid with a furin site S 'was generated using the Seamless Assembly kit (Invitrogen, Carlsbad, CA, USA) and transfected into CV-1 cells infected with vaccinia virus containing the YN-? S-GPT gene. The Furin-S2 site was introduced into the YN cDNA by homologous recombination using a transient dominant selection system [25].
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    It is impossible not to admire what progress has reached! Here is a description of the above Seamless Assembly kit:
    The GeneArt Seamless Cloning and Assembly Kit allows simultaneous and targeted cloning of 1 to 4 PCR fragments, consisting of any sequence, into any linearized vector in one 30-minute reaction at room temperature. The kit contains everything you need to assemble DNA fragments and transform them into E. coli for the selection and growth of recombinant vectors.
    • Speed ​​and simplicity - clone up to 4 DNA fragments with the selected sequence simultaneously in one vector (up to 13 Kb); no restriction, ligation or recombination sites required
    • Accuracy and efficiency - designed to clone what you want, where you want, in the right orientation and achieve up to 90% correct clones without unnecessary sequences.
    • Vector flexibility - use our linear vector or vector of your choice
    • Free Tools - Create DNA oligos and more with our free web interface that guides you through your project step by step
    • Diverse Applications - Optimize many synthetic biology and molecular biology techniques by quickly combining, adding, removing, or swapping DNA segments.
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    Up to 4 DNA fragments can be glued together in the desired sequence in about half an hour, and without a headache with restriction enzymes or ligation. And load your creation into E. coli to reproduce the resulting construct.

    Summing up the analysis of restriction enzyme sites, it must be admitted that no unambiguous conclusions can be drawn from its results. Unless once again it was possible to make sure that not only CoV2 is unique, but RaTG13 itself is a very unusual friend, and that it is worth further studying his biography.