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The main mistakes of the Nagorno-Karabakh army that could have been avoided

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Fighting continues in Nagorno-Karabakh. It is obvious that the positions of the Armenian troops are becoming more precarious every day. And the reason for this is not only the significant numerical superiority of the Azerbaijani army.


In fact, the result of the fighting in Karabakh, which we see today, could have been predicted back in the summer of 2020. Azerbaijan did not particularly hide its military preparations: troops were drawn to the border with Nagorno-Karabakh, weapons were concentrated there, warehouses and communications were built. You didn't have to be a visionary to understand that Baku is preparing for military operations. However, the Armenian (Karabakh) intelligence for some reason, if not ignored this fact, then did not attach due importance to it.

Meanwhile, if Armenia and Karabakh relied on intelligence data, they would be able to more effectively prepare for the impending Azerbaijani offensive. For example, it would be possible to determine what types of weapons Baku will focus on and attend to countermeasures. First of all, this concerns Turkish-made unmanned aerial vehicles: apparently, Karabakh did not expect Azerbaijan to use them so actively and in such quantity.

It turns out that one of the critical mistakes of the NKR is either ignoring intelligence data, or a complete lack of effective intelligence work.

Air defense has become another weak point of the Nagorno-Karabakh army. Considering that the defense system of Karabakh developed in the 1990s, it is significantly outdated. If Azerbaijani aviation In the 1990s, it was rather weak and the air defense weapons that were in service with the Karabakh army were enough against it, but now we see a completely different situation. But the superiority of Azerbaijan in the air could well have been leveled if one took care of building a unified air defense system, and not keeping the air defense systems separate and virtually unconnected by the information field.

First of all, Azerbaijan uses unmanned aerial vehicles, which are especially effective in flat areas. The Armenian side cannot oppose anything to the Azerbaijani UAVs, especially if we consider that Turkey, which is the most important manufacturer of unmanned aerial vehicles in the region, provides direct military assistance to Azerbaijan. If necessary, Baku will receive additional UAVs and specialists to service them. Karabakh and Armenia have none of this.

Finally, one cannot fail to note the general stagnation of the Armenian and Karabakh armed forces in terms of the strategy and tactics of the defense of the region. While in Baku they paid great attention to the modernization of their armed forces, in Karabakh they lived with victories of the past, recalled the events of thirty years ago and fed themselves with myths that this time it would be possible to push back the Azerbaijani onslaught and almost completely defeat Azerbaijan.

Indeed, in the 1990s, the Armenians managed to defeat the Azerbaijani formations and defend the de facto independence of Nagorno-Karabakh, despite the numerical superiority of the Azerbaijani army. But now the situation is completely different: Azerbaijan has changed a lot, its financial capabilities have grown, ties with allies have strengthened. Probably another mistake of the Armenian side is ignoring the growth of Azerbaijani power. And, perhaps, there is also a strange hope that Russia will immediately intervene militarily in the conflict.

By the way, about the ties with the allies - this is another fatal mistake of the Armenian side. Despite the huge diasporas in countries such as Russia, the USA, France, Karabakh and Armenia, they actually found themselves alone in their confrontation with Azerbaijan. Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, shortly before the conflict, spoke from an anti-Russian position, thereby forgetting who in fact is the guarantor of security in the Transcaucasus. Now we see the open support of Azerbaijan from Turkey and Pakistan, the supply of weapons by Israel.

As for Armenia, both Russia, the United States and France limit themselves only to statements about the need to return to the negotiation process. There are no French special forces and American drones in Karabakh, no statements by Vladimir Putin about helping "Christian brothers" (and these statements would look strange today), but Azerbaijan is fully receiving military-technical, military, and moral support from its allies ...

As a result, we see a sad situation: the Karabakh army continues to suffer serious losses, the Azerbaijani troops are gradually advancing further and further. Only third forces can correct the current situation if they intervene in the conflict. But so far, as we can see, Moscow is not eager to stand up like a mountain for Pashinyan. And the incumbent Armenian prime minister is also to blame for this.

And the above-mentioned mistakes the army of Nagorno-Karabakh with the support from Yerevan could have avoided. Unless, of course, the current Armenian leadership has an interest not to lose control over the territories of the unrecognized (primarily not recognized by itself) republic.
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  1. Nasdaq
    Nasdaq 6 November 2020 17: 17 New
    21
    Yes, they knew everything about drones there. Everyone knew about it.
    They just ignored it.
    Carelessness
    About polonaises, lors, kamikaze drones, Israeli mortar systems with GPS guidance, corrected by Israeli MLRS, everyone knew about this, all this is in the public domain.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 6 November 2020 17: 25 New
      27
      Quote: Nasdaq
      Carelessness

      We thought that Russia would intercede, because it always intervened, but times have changed, it no longer supports Russophobes.
      1. Nasdaq
        Nasdaq 6 November 2020 17: 29 New
        14
        They thought that Russia would intercede, because it always interceded, but times have changed, it no longer supports Russophobes

        Well no. After the events of 2016, it became clear that they were alone in the Karabakh war. As Serzh Sargsyan said in an interview on the federal Russian channel in 2016: "Our people hoped for Russia, but as it turned out, dreaming is not harmful."

        I would add that it is all the same harmful.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 6 November 2020 17: 37 New
          +4
          Quote: Nasdaq
          They thought that Russia would intercede, because it always interceded, but times have changed, it no longer supports Russophobes

          Well no. After the events of 2016, it became clear that they were alone in the Karabakh war. As Serzh Sargsyan said in an interview on the federal Russian channel in 2016: "Our people hoped for Russia, but as it turned out, dreaming is not harmful."

          I would add that it is all the same harmful.

          Probably they dreamed that having betrayed Russia to please Soros, the EU and the US would stand up for them, and they only said, as always, "we are with you, morally."
        2. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 6 November 2020 17: 45 New
          -7
          6.11.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX: Azerbaijan presses from the north
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 6 November 2020 17: 49 New
            -7
            .................................
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 6 November 2020 18: 14 New
              0
              Jeyhun, aren't you tired of measuring pisyas? Maybe you will look at the footage of the German newsreel and understand how it might end?
              P.S. I'm not on either side, sort it out for yourself.
              1. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 6 November 2020 18: 20 New
                +2
                In short, the occupier must leave our lands, cities and villages. For almost 30 years they were persuaded, that's enough. This is not the dimension you described.
                1. credo
                  credo 6 November 2020 19: 53 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Oquzyurd
                  In short, the occupier must leave our lands, cities and villages. For almost 30 years they were persuaded, that's enough. This is not the dimension you described.

                  Are the Armenians invaders where they used to live?
                  For example, Turkey keeps part of the territory of Syria and does not want to leave there? Do you consider Turkey an occupier in relation to Syria or not?
                  1. Rubina
                    Rubina 8 November 2020 23: 16 New
                    -2
                    And nothing that Turkey accepted, read, saved 6 million Syrian refugees instead of a piece of land, where did the real threat come from for it? The war will end, Turkey will return the land and send the Syrians home
                  2. Nar Al
                    Nar Al 9 November 2020 22: 18 New
                    -2
                    Quote: credo
                    Quote: Oquzyurd
                    In short, the occupier must leave our lands, cities and villages. For almost 30 years they were persuaded, that's enough. This is not the dimension you described.

                    Are the Armenians invaders where they used to live?
                    For example, Turkey keeps part of the territory of Syria and does not want to leave there? Do you consider Turkey an occupier in relation to Syria or not?


                    In Syria, not only Turkey, there is Russia, the United States, France, Iran, and others. Everyone knows very well that other issues are being resolved there. Dear Credo, the occupiers there are not the people who lived there (let them live as they lived in the country), but Armenia is another state. And everyone knows this very well. In order not to argue on these issues, there is a way out: give the right to self-determination to all peoples who live in your country. Show, so to speak, an example. And then we will discuss the Armenians
                    1. NEOZ
                      NEOZ 10 November 2020 15: 59 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Nar Al
                      give the right to self-determination to all peoples who live in your country.

                      all peoples had such a right! but you cannot become part of Russia when the people are threatened with genocide and medieval technologies, but come under the guarantees of security with modern technologies !!!!!
                      Russia is not a front yard !!!!!
                2. Jünger
                  Jünger 6 November 2020 22: 27 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Oquzyurd
                  In short, the occupier must leave our lands, cities and villages. For almost 30 years they were persuaded, that's enough. This is not the dimension you described.

                  Armenia was on those lands when the Turks were not yet in the project. What kind of invaders are they? The occupiers are you.
                  I don't care about Armenia or Azerbaijan, but why write nonsense about the occupation? It's like the Poles will now paint that Kiev is a Polish land, on the basis that when they seized it (relatively recently).
                  1. Oquzyurd
                    Oquzyurd 6 November 2020 22: 35 New
                    -4
                    You have an Armenian globe in your head, I won't even argue.
                    1. Jünger
                      Jünger 6 November 2020 22: 39 New
                      12
                      What a globe - Tigran the Great blew Lucullus and Pompey in the first century BC. And there was a state called Armenia.
                      And the great-great-Türks at that time ran in the Altai region and the interfluve of the Syr Darya with the Amu Darya.
                      What is there to argue ...
                      And now the Armenians are the occupiers of Karabakh laughing
                      1. Oquzyurd
                        Oquzyurd 6 November 2020 22: 41 New
                        -10 qualifying.
                        Guessed ......................... and dosvidos.
                      2. Jünger
                        Jünger 7 November 2020 07: 54 New
                        0
                        You've lost your war to criticism laughing
                      3. CSKA
                        CSKA 7 November 2020 11: 35 New
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                        Quote: Junger
                        You've lost your war to criticism

                        Well, what did you want? When it comes to history, they always move away from dialogue, there is nothing to say. There is nothing to say against the facts.
                      4. Oquzyurd
                        Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 14: 00 New
                        -5
                        "When it comes to history, they always move away from dialogue," Does anyone need a story 2 thousand years ago, incomprehensible, not proven, and does not change anything in modern history. Why waste time and energy on your empty arguments? , and I will not prove anything to you, since persons having a globe created by Armenian myths in their heads are not capable of being in the realities of our world. Therefore, he briefly said-dosvidos.
                      5. CSKA
                        CSKA 7 November 2020 14: 38 New
                        0
                        Quote: Oquzyurd
                        Does anyone need a story 2 thousand years ago

                        It is needed so that you would not say later about the fact that:
                        Quote: Oquzyurd
                        the occupier must leave our lands, cities and villages

                        Armenians have been living there for a long time.
                        Quote: Oquzyurd
                        not proven

                        ))))) Historians of the whole world have proven it, but you do not know.
                        Quote: Oquzyurd
                        and changes nothing in modern history.

                        It is clear that the history of Urartu does not in any way relate to modern realities, but you need to remember and know the history, so that later fairy tales about the primordial Azerbaijani territories are not told. And we often come across this.
                        Quote: Oquzyurd
                        Why waste time and energy on your empty arguments?

                        Disputes about what? About the fact that Armenians have been living on this land for more than one thousand years? So there is nothing to argue, it's a fact.
                        Quote: Oquzyurd
                        With this, you are to me, and I will not prove anything to you, since the persons have a globe in their heads created by Armenian myths

                        Conspiracy theory flooded? Did the Armenians bribe all the historians of the world?))))))
                      6. Maverick1812
                        Maverick1812 9 November 2020 12: 51 New
                        0
                        It is necessary to offer both Azerbaijanis and Armenians to throw themselves into the mountains and there to sort things out among themselves. Why do we need someone else's war? We will grow carnations ourselves, we will make gyro. Zadolbali, to be honest. Same...
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            3. Rubina
              Rubina 8 November 2020 23: 18 New
              -2
              Let's change. We will give Karabakh to Armenia, and Russia in return will give us our historical homeland Altai, where we lived before Kiev was built, not to mention Moscow.
            4. Jünger
              Jünger 9 November 2020 09: 39 New
              +4
              Good idea. But I don't see the connection - Karabakh - to Armenia, and Russia, why should it give something away?
              It is possible to give both Azerbaijan and Armenia somewhere far away and for free. Let Iran take it.
              If you want Altai, make demands, train troops. It's a good thing.
            5. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel 14 November 2020 20: 59 New
              +1
              Why bargain? You are not in the marketplace or in a children's sandbox.
        3. NEOZ
          NEOZ 10 November 2020 16: 02 New
          -1
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          You have an Armenian globe in your head, I won't even argue.

          do you really want?
          but the truth is this:
          you only own what you can protect and / or take from another !!!!
          everything else is from the evil one!
      2. Revival
        Revival 7 November 2020 00: 25 New
        10
        Which Tegran?
        The UN, including we recognize this as the territory of Azerbaijan.
        Are you offering us not to fight if someone requires their historical (so in the 2nd century BC)?
        1. Jünger
          Jünger 7 November 2020 08: 00 New
          +1
          The UN is a misunderstanding, existing time, insignificant by historical standards. An education that does not affect anything and is not needed by anyone.
          Russia, however, should have just purple on all these Caucasian brothers, but it had to take Crimea - they took it without any UN.
          I just don't understand - the Armenians have lived there for thousands of years, and now they are occupiers. How so? At the same time, everyone knows who the occupier is actually there - the Turks.
          Well, yes - you got warm in someone else's house, got accustomed, but the meaning has not changed.
          1. Buka001
            Buka001 7 November 2020 10: 02 New
            +5
            In your opinion, it turns out that the Turks should return to Altai, and Russia should be silent ??? Nonsense ..
          2. Jünger
            Jünger 7 November 2020 10: 20 New
            -2
            Yes, I don't care - let them live as they want, as long as they want to be away from the Russians, but to say that Armenia occupied Karabakh is absurd and arrogant. The guys (Turks) climbed into someone else's house and declare the owners to be invaders. And everyone should applaud them or what?
            In your opinion, it turns out that the Turks should return to Altai

            By the way - a sensible thought wink
      3. andrew42
        andrew42 7 November 2020 19: 54 New
        +2
        Really! In such a way, if you live, then Russia can demand the return of Oldenburg, Schwerin, Rostock and Rügen, in the same place Rurik's homeland! - And what, we now go to drive the Germans / demolish? - and only 1000 years, 2 times less than that of the "tigers". But fanatical nationalists stubbornly rave about what they say there 2000 years ago ...
    2. Nar Al
      Nar Al 9 November 2020 22: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Junger
      Quote: Oquzyurd
      In short, the occupier must leave our lands, cities and villages. For almost 30 years they were persuaded, that's enough. This is not the dimension you described.

      Armenia was on those lands when the Turks were not yet in the project. What kind of invaders are they? The occupiers are you.
      I don't care about Armenia or Azerbaijan, but why write nonsense about the occupation? It's like the Poles will now paint that Kiev is a Polish land, on the basis that when they seized it (relatively recently).


      The Armenians had already determined themselves in 1918. How long can one and the same people decide? Maybe 10 Armenian states should be created or 20? Is it really not clear that Armenia has seized 20 percent of the land of a neighboring state! You gave an example. Let me give it too. Give you the right to withdraw from Russia to Tatarstan, Bashkortostan. Yakutia, Udmurtia, Chechnya, Khakassia and other peoples. Well, how about this? Think before what to judge
    3. Nar Al
      Nar Al 9 November 2020 22: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Junger
      Quote: Oquzyurd
      In short, the occupier must leave our lands, cities and villages. For almost 30 years they were persuaded, that's enough. This is not the dimension you described.

      Armenia was on those lands when the Turks were not yet in the project. What kind of invaders are they? The occupiers are you.
      I don't care about Armenia or Azerbaijan, but why write nonsense about the occupation? It's like the Poles will now paint that Kiev is a Polish land, on the basis that when they seized it (relatively recently).


      Jünger, Good idea. Give the right to self-determination to all peoples in your country.
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 9 November 2020 23: 11 New
        0
        Again, I see no connection between the right of the peoples of Russia to self-determination and the belonging of Karabakh. In the garden there is an elderberry, and in Kiev there is an uncle.
        Those who wanted to determine themselves have already determined themselves after the collapse of the Union. Even Chechnya.
      2. Negruz
        Negruz 12 November 2020 16: 50 New
        -1
        Twice they gave ... Enough already ...... Now let others give ......
  2. Machito
    Machito 7 November 2020 14: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    In short, the occupier must leave our lands, cities and villages. For almost 30 years they were persuaded, that's enough. This is not the dimension you described.

    Why don't you drive the invaders from their native land? Or is there no one to sell cilantro in the market?
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 6 November 2020 18: 36 New
    -4
    06.11.2020 ............
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 6 November 2020 21: 19 New
      +1
      Watch this video as well ...
      The defeat of the Azerbaijani group ...
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 6 November 2020 22: 32 New
        -5
        It has been shown for 2 days already. Our soldiers, who died for freedom, for our territories, in the fight against barbarians and occupiers. I will note that the local population are our citizens and they are hostages of the situation.
        You advertise an occupation action that opposed our troops. Of course, we also have losses, but this can in no way change the course of events to defeat the occupier.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 7 November 2020 01: 34 New
          10
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          You advertise an occupation action that opposed our

          Well, yes ... whatever you call the yacht, so it will float! For you, the Armenians are occupiers, but for the Armenians, on the contrary! Yes, for me this "terminology" is deeply "violet"! For both Armenia and Azerbaijan are pouring out on us a sea of ​​lies, in which the truth can float, but how to discern it? ! It is now (!) Clear to any secretary that Azerbaijan has been preparing for a long time and strenuously to start a war ... but this did not prevent it from declaring to the whole world at the beginning of the conflict that the Armenians were the first to attack! So what ? Should I forget this lie? I do not like Armenians ... I had conflicts with them and I have not forgotten it. But why should I take your side if I think that Russians should be neutral towards the belligerent parties? Currently, I wish the Armenians to hold out until winter. For a simple reason ... I am interested in the nature of hostilities in mountainous and wooded areas ... Therefore, I carefully watch the video from both sides! And I am wondering how the nature of warfare in such an area will change in winter! Nothing personal, just practical interest!
        2. Skarpzd
          Skarpzd 7 November 2020 05: 55 New
          +2
          and with whom did the Armenians become barbarians? and how far from the barbarity of the Armenians did the barbarism of Azerbaijan go? Well, it's just interesting.
        3. CSKA
          CSKA 7 November 2020 11: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          in the fight against barbarians

          )))) Oh well, let's go without these screams. You are a civilization of a planetary scale, and Armenians are straight barbarians.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 November 2020 00: 02 New
        0
        And what - did this defeat of the Azerbaijani group strongly affect the situation in general for the Armenians?
  • svp67
    svp67 6 November 2020 17: 54 New
    +6
    Quote: Nasdaq

    I would add that it is all the same harmful.

    Dreams, dreams, why didn't they prepare the army? Why was the issue of disguise completely ignored? Why didn't you take care of raising the morale of the army and the population? Did they leave the Azerbaijani villages intact in the hope that this would be bought off? Still there it was necessary to resist, use mine-explosive and other engineering barriers, but they did nothing of this, they allowed the enemy not only to seize the initiative, but also to maintain a high rate of advance, not hindering them much
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 6 November 2020 21: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Still there it was necessary to resist, use mine-explosive and other engineering barriers, but they did nothing of this

      why didn't you? did! remember the video of the first days of the conflict? Armenian tanks on mines are blown up. mines were placed, but long ago they forgot where.
      1. svp67
        svp67 7 November 2020 09: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: SanichSan
        mines were placed, but long ago they forgot where.

        It's not quite right ...
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 7 November 2020 18: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          It's not quite right ...

          yes .. that's me ... about the level of mine explosives.
          generally agree with you. there is still no information about the use of mines and the results of the work of sappers, while in the defense of a mine this is a terrible weapon against which no drone will help! and in the 20th century and in the offensive ... yes
    2. Garris199
      Garris199 8 November 2020 14: 56 New
      +1
      Armenians live in our neighboring apartment. They went out for a smoke, I ask: "How is it at home, what news?"
      Answers: "We are at war, losses, well, nothing, Russia will help."
      It seems that everyone, including the military high command, was in that mood.
      We have a Russian base here. They will not dare, they will not start, but if they begin to hold out for us for a week, until the Russians come up.
      1. Maverick1812
        Maverick1812 9 November 2020 12: 54 New
        +1
        With what fright the Ryazan guys should put their heads for someone else's land? We are at war, and they are in cafes in white shirts and a shashlik with cognac !? You need to liberate your land with your own hands! This is addressed to aram!
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 6 November 2020 18: 03 New
    15
    Armenia had to first recognize Karabakh as an independent state, and through the diaspora and lobbies to achieve the same from the Western countries. The pretext from Kosovo could be repeated, and then Azerbaijan would not attack Karabakh. But, the Armenians did nothing for this, and now they are paying for their political shortsightedness with the lives of their fellow countrymen.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 6 November 2020 18: 12 New
      12
      Quote: Thrifty
      The pretext from Kosovo could be repeated, and then Azerbaijan would not attack Karabakh.

      Why Kosovo, there is a very suitable one - Turkey and the Republic of Northern Cyprus. And if anything, to the Turks to poke it in the face
      1. Revival
        Revival 7 November 2020 00: 27 New
        +3
        You can poke, but there is no force, no effect
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 6 November 2020 20: 31 New
      +4
      On the contrary, it would definitely be a declaration of war on Azerbaijan by the Republic of Armenia, which would have to defend Its border with Iran independently, without open interference from Russia or all the CSTO countries. Like - he chopped off a piece of someone else's territory and created a puppet state there, recognized by you.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 6 November 2020 18: 57 New
    +9
    We thought that Russia would intercede, because it always intervened, but times have changed, it no longer supports Russophobes.
    Offended Russia, but what about the geniuses of foreign policy, about which with every iron tryndeli. And what kind of Russia are you talking about? Rotenberg's Russia and Gardamir's Russia are different countries, there is a social distance between us of one billion. The Kremlin is partnering with Erdogan, so it has nothing to do with grievances, and when the Turks occupy Karabakh, let us remember the words about killing bandits remotely.
    The trick is that Russia and the Kremlin have different, even opposite interests. Armenia will be able to offer Rottenberg a couple of hundred million, then yes. In the meantime, not only Russia, but also the Kremlin is losing. Why does Erdogan need the southern stream from Russia, when all this is in Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 6 November 2020 21: 27 New
      -7
      Quote: Gardamir
      Rotenberg's Russia and Gardamir's Russia are different countries, there is a social distance between us of one billion.

      Are you writing from the trenches in Nagorno-Karabakh?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 6 November 2020 21: 34 New
        +5
        from the trenches in Nagorno-Karabakh?
        This is probably the liberalism of the brain. I talk about the benefits of Russia. You are making an Armenian out of me.
        Do you know that Armenian gas belongs to Russian Gazprom, Russia has many businesses in Armenia, and 102 military bases are not just that. And Azerbaijan is supported not only by Turks, but also by Pakistanis.
        I repeat once again, does Russia need Armenia or let the Syrian Basmachis roam Karabakh?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 6 November 2020 22: 57 New
          -2
          Quote: Gardamir
          Do you know that Armenian gas belongs to Russian Gazprom, Russia has many businesses in Armenia, and 102 military bases are not just that.

          I know. And I also know that lately in Armenia they began to shout too vehemently about how independent they are. Opinions have already been expressed here that Azerbaijan could conduct preliminary negotiations with Russia on red lines, I would not be surprised if this is the case.
          What do you suggest? Make threatening statements? What's the point? Send an army? We have already stepped on this rake - "the Russian soldier has done the job and can be free." Have you forgotten who is in charge of Armenia now?
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 7 November 2020 08: 11 New
            -1
            Have you forgotten who is in charge of Armenia now?
            President Armen Sarkissian.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 7 November 2020 09: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              President Armen Sarkissian.

              The constitutional referendum held on December 6, 2015, adopted amendments to the Constitution. In particular, Armenia became a parliamentary republic and the powers of the president were significantly reduced.
              According to the new version of the Constitution, the President of the Republic calls regular and extraordinary elections to the National Assembly, signs and promulgates laws adopted by parliament within 21 days. The head of state no longer has the right to dissolve the National Assembly in the cases and manner prescribed by the Constitution, as well as to call early elections [1].
              In cases established by the Constitution, the President may accept the resignation of the Government and, upon the proposal of the Prime Minister, amend the composition of the Cabinet of Ministers [1].

              The state system of Armenia is based on the structure of a parliamentary republic of representative democracy. Executive power is exercised by the government, headed by the prime minister. The president is the nominal head of state.

              Is it enough?
    2. CSKA
      CSKA 7 November 2020 11: 44 New
      -2
      Quote: Gardamir
      Rotenberg's Russia and Gardamir's Russia

      ))))))) Who? Russia of Gardemir? You didn't put on a very big crown there?)))))
      Quote: Gardamir
      The trick is that Russia and the Kremlin have different, even opposite interests

      Interests are just one, but your paid whiners have a different interest.
      Quote: Gardamir
      Armenia will be able to offer Rottenberg

      Looks like you have a personal dislike for Rottenberg? Did he take your wife away?)))) Or just like his surname in every word to shove?
      Quote: Gardamir
      In the meantime, not only Russia, but also the Kremlin is losing

      What are you? And what does he lose?
      Quote: Gardamir
      Why does Erdogan need the southern stream from Russia, when all this is in Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan.

      And what then did he buy gas from the Russian Federation and does he buy it? Why has he not bothered to build pipelines over the past 30 years? Your lack of logic is visible to the naked eye. Well, people like you don't need it, the main thing is to whine, criticize, cry.
  • ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 6 November 2020 18: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Terenin
    Quote: Nasdaq
    Carelessness

    We thought that Russia would intercede, because it always intervened, but times have changed, it no longer supports Russophobes.

    Greetings my friend hi
    Of course this is so, and it was going to this very quickly, but with the filing and under the guidance of "true American friends", whom, as they say about between the horn and other crotches, beat. yes
  • major147
    major147 6 November 2020 22: 05 New
    +6
    Quote: Terenin
    We thought that Russia would intercede, because it always intervened, but times have changed, it no longer supports Russophobes.

    Here the situation seems to me a little different. "Comrade" Pashinyan has been tasked by his bosses to tear Armenia away from Russia and attach it to NATO, and for "good" behavior it may be in the EU. Hence the pre-war anti-Russian demonstrations with the aim of setting Russia anti-Armenian. And then a NATO member Turkey, pushed ahead the liberation of Karabakh by Azerbaijan. When the Armenians are expelled from Karabakh, Russophobic sentiments in Armenia will inflate even more and under the slogan "Russia has betrayed us! Armenia's salvation in NATO". As a result, straight there with all the consequences.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 7 November 2020 02: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: major147
      Saving Armenia in NATO

      NATO = North Atlantic Treaty Organization. And how does Armenia stand sideways to the North Atlantic region? Again, what can Armenia add to NATO's power and / or security? There is at least a convenient foothold in the eastern Baltic from sprat limitrophes, but what about these? Yes, the same Georgia would be more useful, and it will run into NATO in front of a steam locomotive - just beckon, but nobody beckons them. And even if all the strategic stocks of Armenian cognac are used to solder NATO officials, it will still not help, only the French will be indignant, because they have a monopoly on the Cognac brand.
      1. major147
        major147 7 November 2020 11: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        And how does Armenia stand sideways to the North Atlantic region?

        The same as Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania and others like them.
        Quote: Nagan
        Again, what can Armenia add to NATO's power and / or security?

        In the fight against Russia, "Every bast fits in the line." The costs for them will be cheap, but putting another foothold on the Russian borders is worth a lot.
        Otherwise, why did the West start these anti-Russian dances?
        This is purely my opinion and I do not pretend to be Baba Vanga's laurels.
        1. major147
          major147 7 November 2020 17: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: major147
          Otherwise, why did the West start these anti-Russian dances?

          And here is the confirmation of my words arrived in time:
          "Adviser to the Prime Minister in Armenia Harutyunyan stated that America's proposal to bring US forces into the republic is fully supported by the government."
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 7 November 2020 12: 09 New
    0

    We thought that Russia would intercede, because it always intervened, but times have changed, it no longer supports Russophobes.

    God grant that this continues.
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 6 November 2020 17: 28 New
    +3
    It looks like the Armenians are closer to the Russians than they seem. "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always." And for them it is relevant.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 6 November 2020 17: 30 New
    10
    This is not the Karabakh, but the Armenian army.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 6 November 2020 17: 34 New
      +6
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      This is not the Karabakh, but the Armenian army.

      By the way, Yerevan hoped for Israel, and he winked supported by Azerbaijan.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 6 November 2020 17: 58 New
        -3
        Liberated villages of Fizuli region. 27 years these territories were controlled by carriers of "ancient culture"
      2. Gofman
        Gofman 6 November 2020 18: 07 New
        11
        Quote: Terenin
        Yerevan hoped for Israel, and he supported Azerbaijan.

        So you came to the store without money, they didn't give you bread - they didn't support you, apparently. And the neighbor paid and left with the roll - to know, he has non-acidic support, not otherwise ...
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 6 November 2020 18: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Gofman
          Here you come to the store with no money,

          Not otherwise, the young saleswoman liked it! wink
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      3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 6 November 2020 18: 25 New
        +6
        ... By the way, Yerevan hoped for Israel, and he winked supported Azerbaijan.

        It seems to me that the Armenians hoped that the OSCE Minsk Group would, like, grab the hot Armenians by the mighty hands, persuade them to 'stop', make them sit down at the tables of non-sponsored negotiations, etc. and boil. And then such a bummer - 'Cut to hell, without waiting for peritonitis!' © It turned out that no one is interested in returning to the past status quo. Better a terrible end than endless horror - decided at the top.
      4. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 6 November 2020 18: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Terenin
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        This is not the Karabakh, but the Armenian army.

        By the way, Yerevan hoped for Israel, and he winked supported by Azerbaijan.

        Why is Armenia suddenly hoping for Israel. Armenia is in the same allied camp as Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, the Lebanese Palestinians. Israel clearly does not fit into this company. Not to mention the fact that Armenians, to put it mildly, do not like Jews very much. Even before this war, I read Armenian articles that the genocide of the Armenians in 1915 was organized by the Jews.
        1. Negruz
          Negruz 12 November 2020 17: 00 New
          -1
          Armenia is nevertheless closer to Israel than the Saudis with the Emirates and al-Qaeda with daish ...
          1. andreykolesov123
            andreykolesov123 12 November 2020 17: 06 New
            0
            Quote: Negruz
            Armenia is nevertheless closer to Israel than the Saudis with the Emirates and al-Qaeda with daish ...

            Armenians still believe that Jews:
            1. Are to blame for the death of Christ.
            2. Responsible for their genocide of 1915, as they consider the Young Turks to be Jews.
            3. The Soviet power brought some troubles to the Armenian people, and the Soviet power is clear what nationality was ruled.

            In this situation, we have a difficult relationship, to put it mildly.
            1. Negruz
              Negruz 12 November 2020 17: 23 New
              -1
              I understood: the Saudis with the Emirates and al-Qaeda with the Daesh are closer to Israel ... These are not blaming the Jews for the death of Christ ...
              1. andreykolesov123
                andreykolesov123 12 November 2020 17: 58 New
                0
                Quote: Negruz
                I understood: the Saudis with the Emirates and al-Qaeda with the Daesh are closer to Israel ... These are not blaming the Jews for the death of Christ ...

                Saudis and al-Qaeda do not have a diploma. relations with Israel. The Emirates have, but are not an ally. Both the emirates and armenia are neutral hostile countries. That is, they have a close relationship with the enemies of Israel. Armenia with Iran, Emirates with the Palestinians. In terms of danger, Iran and Hezbollah are undoubtedly more dangerous. Armenia is their best friend, with such an alignment of forces, Armenia will never be an ally of Israel and will not receive any military technologies. Armenia is in the wrong camp of allies.
                1. Negruz
                  Negruz 12 November 2020 19: 20 New
                  -1
                  I couldn't even imagine that Armenia has diplomatic relations with Hezbollah ...
                  1. andreykolesov123
                    andreykolesov123 12 November 2020 20: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: Negruz
                    I couldn't even imagine that Armenia has diplomatic relations with Hezbollah ...

                    The Armenians of Lebanon, Hezbollah and Amal have the warmest relations.
                    1. Negruz
                      Negruz 13 November 2020 10: 18 New
                      -1
                      The Armenians of Lebanon are of no interest to anyone ...... That country is called "l and v and n" ......
                    2. andreykolesov123
                      andreykolesov123 13 November 2020 11: 23 New
                      0
                      Quote: Negruz
                      The Armenians of Lebanon are of no interest to anyone ...... That country is called "l and v and n" ......

                      Lebanon is interested in Israel much more than unknown Armenia. We didn't even show on the news that you were at war. Except for Russian-speaking only a few people know about the existence of such a country as Armenia.
                    3. Negruz
                      Negruz 18 November 2020 12: 22 New
                      -1
                      I have no doubt ...... Therefore, the lining up of chains "as a reason" leading to Yerevan is frankly amusing ......
                    4. andreykolesov123
                      andreykolesov123 18 November 2020 17: 14 New
                      0
                      Quote: Negruz
                      I have no doubt ...... Therefore, the lining up of chains "as a reason" leading to Yerevan is frankly amusing ......

                      The Armenians, despite the fact that Christians are remarkably similar to the Arabs. Those, too, in the six-day war, claimed that they were storming Tel Aviv, while the Israelis were already finishing off their troops.
                    5. Negruz
                      Negruz 18 November 2020 21: 58 New
                      -2
                      Somehow I was surprised at Armenians ... I was surprised by the original "theory" ... No, nuacho? Israel sells high-tech weapons to Azerbaijan - Azerbaijan's best friend and ally Turkey - Turkey supports Hamas ...... Conclusion? Correct: Israel is in the same camp with its enemies ...
                    6. andreykolesov123
                      andreykolesov123 18 November 2020 23: 00 New
                      0
                      Quote: Negruz
                      Somehow I was surprised at Armenians ... I was surprised by the original "theory" ... No, nuacho? Israel sells high-tech weapons to Azerbaijan - Azerbaijan's best friend and ally Turkey - Turkey supports Hamas ...... Conclusion? Correct: Israel is in the same camp with its enemies ...

                      Russia sells arms to Azerbaijan and Armenia. Conclusion: Armenia and Azerbaijan are allies.
                    7. Negruz
                      Negruz 19 November 2020 02: 39 New
                      -2
                      Exactly! Although Armenia still gives, but the "logic" is the same, yes ......
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 November 2020 20: 46 New
    +7
    Quote: Terenin
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    This is not the Karabakh, but the Armenian army.

    By the way, Yerevan hoped for Israel, and he winked supported by Azerbaijan.

    No ))
    In the early 90s, Azerbaijan was a very poor country, because oil prices were below the baseboard, while Armenia was supported by the diaspora with large, for those times, money for the post-Soviet space. The Israelis contacted Baku about high-tech systems for agriculture, as well as weapons, and eventually, over time, established good cooperation with the Azerbaijanis.
    With proposals like that they approached Armenia, which was more solvent at that time (they hoped to finance Yerevan by French and American Armenians, with whom some Jews had, and still remain, good relations). But Armenia at that time was more critical of relations with neighboring Iran - the only free border at that time, and the heroes of the first Karabakh war were Lebanese Armenians, many of whom fought against the IDF on the side of the Palestinians. Therefore, the Israelites were sent far and long.
    In two weeks of another war, the Armenians opened an embassy in Tel Aviv - in my opinion, as a pro-American step. With the outbreak of hostilities, they closed it very quickly, accusing (in principle, rightly, but not on the topic) Israel of supplying weapons to its enemies during the conflict.
    Count on Jews seriously - they never counted, the anti-Israeli rhetoric of Harutyunyan and Pashinyan is a knyxen to neighboring Iran at a critical time for the country, no more hi
  • karima
    karima 6 November 2020 22: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: Terenin
    By the way, Yerevan hoped for Israel, and he supported Azerbaijan.
    Isn't it difficult for you to indicate how and when? Armenia speaks out very "unfriendly" to Israel, their right, of course, but expect buns later? Plugs, yes, you can get it.
    IMHO actually hoped for Iran, but how it happened.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 6 November 2020 17: 38 New
    +4
    Yes, it's not even a UAV. and in complete unwillingness to conduct hostilities as such. reconnaissance, if it is being conducted, cannot but see preparations for hostilities. all this can be seen at least when the mobilization was announced.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 6 November 2020 18: 45 New
    +1
    Let's start with the fact that the NKAO army is, by and large, a militia, with elements of the army, armed with equipment of the last century. And against them was the army, which was taught by Turkish (NATO) instructors, planned by Turkish generals and it was supplied practically "to the maximum." In such a scenario, the Armenians did their best. Aliyev (Erdogan) dunked his face in manure)))
  • denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 6 November 2020 19: 55 New
    +2
    Trade and fight are two big differences ... wassat
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 6 November 2020 20: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: denis obuckov
      Trade and fight are two big differences ... wassat

      Someone is good at both, and someone just has a lot of fighting spirit. wink
  • Terenin
    Terenin 6 November 2020 17: 19 New
    11
    The main mistakes of the Nagorno-Karabakh army that could have been avoided
    It was not Turkish aid to Azerbaijan that helped the deplorable state of Karabakh, but Pashinyan's political mistakes. It was he who quarreled Armenia with Russia, announcing the "European way of development".
    1. saigon
      saigon 6 November 2020 18: 03 New
      11
      Forgive me, but how would our country help Armenia, and even more so Ar-khu, do not quarrel and, frankly, do not pour out the dirt of Russia their newly-minted president?
      We that Azerbaijan is an enemy - no, that he attacked Armenia - again so not.
      So I see no reason.
      Regarding the Azerbaijani army, only one (of course, not an obvious and subjective opinion) was worth diluting the parts of the first line with experienced storekeepers, no, they certainly are not better than those who are now in the army, but they would greatly contribute to reducing the losses of young soldiers.
      1. Albay
        Albay 6 November 2020 18: 47 New
        +4
        Dear Saigon, have you fought with Azerbaijanis for the last 20 years to claim that they are worse or better?
        In the Azerbaijani army, almost 50-60 percent of the personnel are contract soldiers. Tankmen, air defense, special operations forces are 100 percent staffed with contract soldiers. Parts of the first line and other lines are diluted by reservists. In Azerbaijan, they mobilize point-wise and not everyone in a row.
        Best regards
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 6 November 2020 19: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Albay
          Almost 50-60 percent of the personnel in the Azerbaijani army are contractors.

          There is only one thing missing in the Azerbaijani army - these are Russian commanders who would teach them how to fight, and not mark time with such superiority in weapons and number of personnel. And now winter is approaching, and the outcome of hostilities is becoming unpredictable, especially since there is "Armenian Siberia" in Armenia, and they are better prepared for operations in the mountains during this period of the year. I say this because in the seventies I was in Leninakan in February and I know what frosts are in the mountains, and how difficult it is even to conduct exercises at this time.
          1. Master
            Master 6 November 2020 19: 59 New
            -15 qualifying.
            Quote: ccsr
            Quote: Albay
            Almost 50-60 percent of the personnel in the Azerbaijani army are contractors.

            There is only one thing missing in the Azerbaijani army - these are Russian commanders who would teach them how to fight, and not mark time with such superiority in weapons and number of personnel. And now winter is approaching, and the outcome of hostilities is becoming unpredictable, especially since there is "Armenian Siberia" in Armenia, and they are better prepared for operations in the mountains during this period of the year. I say this because in the seventies I was in Leninakan in February and I know what frosts are in the mountains, and how difficult it is even to conduct exercises at this time.

            We saw Russian commanders. And in Chechnya and Afghanistan.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 6 November 2020 20: 08 New
              +7
              Quote: Master
              We saw Russian commanders. And in Chechnya and Afghanistan.

              But nifig you did not see them, and could not see them, because in both cases they fought with their hands tied, even the use of aircraft against Chechen fighters was forbidden. They put Budanov in jail because he destroyed a sniper, which killed several of his subordinates - this is how our commanders fought. But now both sides do not stand on ceremony with the civilian population of the enemy, and immediately different results - as they say, the forest is being cut, chips are flying ...
          2. Albay
            Albay 6 November 2020 23: 08 New
            +2
            Dear ccsr! Are you an officer? Do you draw a conclusion from newspaper articles about the balance of forces? The Russian officers had an advantage of 10 times more, but in Chechnya they trampled on.
            What do you call trampling, liberation of 1/3 of the occupied territories in a month? 30 years of strengthening defensive positions in a short period of time broke through by storming from the heights of the plains and this is a bad result? Personally, I consider the planning and execution of the operation successful and even brilliant. In 40 days the Azerbaijani army near Shushi and Khankendi, destroyed 70 percent of the enemy's equipment. Many enemy units are demoralized, the losses are minimal for this tdv and conditions!
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 7 November 2020 02: 33 New
              +8
              Quote: Albay
              “The Russian officers had an advantage of 10 times more, but in Chechnya they trampled on.

              Wouldn't interfere from above would not stomp request
              1. Albay
                Albay 7 November 2020 03: 15 New
                0
                Greetings Ruslan, dear friend!))
                In general, I think that they did not stomp, but solved problems competently!
                In the mountains, whoever hurries up suffers, mountains love regularity, patience!)
                If you remember me Alibek!
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 7 November 2020 03: 18 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Albay
                  If you remember me

                  Hey bro drinks Not only do I remember, but I recognized right away bully
                  Quote: Albay
                  I think that they did not trample, but competently solved problems!

                  recourse If it were competently then there would be no slaughter ...
                  1. Albay
                    Albay 7 November 2020 03: 22 New
                    +1
                    Ruslan what is the massacre in Chechnya now?))
                    I replied about your comment that if it were not for the instructions from above, they would not stomp. If they didn’t stomp, thousands of Russian soldiers would die. They didn’t stomp, but did their job. The officer's bread is the hardest.
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 7 November 2020 03: 24 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Albay
                      what a massacre

                      You almost understood what I'm talking about the fact that in 30 years it was necessary to solve everything a long time ago And instead of this, problems are solved again
                      1. Albay
                        Albay 7 November 2020 03: 38 New
                        0
                        Everything went to this, if there was no political decision and the opposite side justifies its irreconcilable position by the fact that they fought and shed blood for the occupied lands and they say you can take it, then sooner or later there should have been a war.
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 7 November 2020 03: 42 New
                        +3
                        So I am surprised at everything that happens.This is how you need to be rams fool to sit and wait for the arrival And now we will also be guilty In short, I always considered Armenians Romanians and I was not mistaken sad
                      3. Albay
                        Albay 7 November 2020 03: 52 New
                        0
                        I'm not surprised. Just repeating for a long time that they are "invincible played a cruel joke, they themselves believed it. This is good for external consumption, and when you yourself begin to believe in your" immortality "this is the beginning of the end. And the Armenians had hope for Russia , thought that Russia's geopolitical interests always coincide with their interests.
                      4. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 7 November 2020 03: 54 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Albay
                        , thought that Russia's geopolitical interests always coincide with their interests.

                        Quote: Albay
                        , and when you yourself begin to believe in your "immortality"

                        Fool's grave will fix request
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 7 November 2020 18: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Albay
        The Russian officers had an advantage 10 times more, but in Chechnya they were making their way.

        It was not the officers who stomped around, but our cowardly politicians looked into the mouth of the West, so we had to stomp around - you just don't know about it.
        Quote: Albay
        Personally, I find the planning and execution of the operation successful and even brilliant.

        Let's better return to the estimates of the hostilities after the signing of the peace agreement, then we'll see how and how he fought brilliantly. In the meantime, I see, without any newspaper publications, that the war is dragging on, and it is quite possible that the scenario of the war of Ukraine in Donbass will repeat itself.
  • saigon
    saigon 7 November 2020 12: 29 New
    +1
    You need to read carefully, in general, I mean that in this war there is no need to use conscripts in combat units, add reservists to the counter-basses and the boys will be alive.
    Do you understand age and the realization of the fact that the presence of older children who had Afghan experience saved my then bad head.
    That's exactly about this, about preserving the life of the young.
  • Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 6 November 2020 22: 34 New
    0
    Saigon "would, however, greatly contribute to reducing the loss of young soldiers."
    on the contrary, they cannot be diluted.))) Otherwise, they would have recruited everyone.
    1. saigon
      saigon 7 November 2020 12: 32 New
      +2
      I am 55 and I just feel sorry for the young, the old are not very old, and not the kind of war for Azerbaijan to throw boys into battle, the enemy does not threaten the country.
      1. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 7 November 2020 19: 48 New
        0
        saigon "and not that war for Azerbaijan to throw boys into battle."
        They do not hear. They have already taken Shusha and are entering Stepanakert.))) The Armenians are being thrown with caps. Euphoria and all that. When losses increase and the war begins to drag on, they will begin to sober up. Well, sitting at a computer somewhere in Russia it is easy to throw hats and shout, but we are in no hurry. If necessary, we will fight for 100 years until the last Armenian ..)))
      2. Albay
        Albay 8 November 2020 00: 13 New
        -1
        Dear Saigon, what does this not war mean for Azerbaijan? What other war could be more important than the war for the Motherland? The children of refugees who were expelled from their homes have now become officers and generals and are expelling the fascist wickedness from their native land.
        1. saigon
          saigon 8 November 2020 15: 25 New
          0
          This is a war in which the enemy does not approach the last frontiers, this war in which the enemy will not win.
          And Alibek about the fascist scum you are cool, with the Italians Duce are fighting?
          And you will not win this war, there will be no winners in it, the land of Karabakh will avenge the blood and grief that were on it (now it takes revenge on the Armenians)
          I have already written here for thirty years to leave this land empty, neither one nor the other.
          Many years ago, one old man near the town of Balajari or Balyadjary said that they have started it for a long time, we will not see the end.
  • sevryuk
    sevryuk 6 November 2020 17: 34 New
    -7
    It somehow reminds me of the situation with the Warsaw Uprising of 1944.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 6 November 2020 18: 00 New
      +7
      Quote: sevryuk
      It somehow reminds me of the situation with the Warsaw Uprising of 1944.

      Hrenase, analogy ... And what is the similarity?
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 6 November 2020 19: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Quote: sevryuk
        It somehow reminds me of the situation with the Warsaw Uprising of 1944.

        Hrenase, analogy ... And what is the similarity?

        There a dark-skinned woman from Warsaw gathered grapes. smile
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 6 November 2020 21: 00 New
          +4
          So I say - Romanian (c) laughing
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 6 November 2020 20: 58 New
        0
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Quote: sevryuk
        It somehow reminds me of the situation with the Warsaw Uprising of 1944.

        Hrenase, analogy ... And what is the similarity?

        Probably, a person thinks that we are still at war with Turkey. Tell him very carefully about the end of WWI, the Great October Socialist Revolution, as well as the fact that in 1944 the USSR was at war with Germany, not RI (as carefully as possible with Nicolas' abdication from the throne)
  • Alien From
    Alien From 6 November 2020 17: 37 New
    +3
    It's easier to name those mistakes that they didn't make.
    1. Albay
      Albay 6 November 2020 18: 50 New
      +6
      The most fatal mistake of the Armenians was when the Azerbaijani territories were occupied. The children of those expelled from their homes, now being officers and generals, are liberating their homes and homeland!
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 6 November 2020 17: 41 New
    +7
    First, he spoiled relations with Russia, and where he can buy modern air defense systems. The US Embassy is not an air defense means from the word at all. And the Americans know how to surrender an ally, they put the Kosovar butcher on trial.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 6 November 2020 18: 03 New
      13
      Quote: tralflot1832
      First, he spoiled relations with Russia, and where he can buy modern air defense systems. The US Embassy is not an air defense means from the word at all. And the Americans know how to surrender an ally, they put the Kosovar butcher on trial.

      Excuse me, but Pashinyan has only been in power for 2 years. And what has Armenia purchased over the past 25 years?
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 6 November 2020 18: 16 New
        -6
        And when you started supplying drones to Azerbaijanis, maybe the year when Pashinyan came to power on anti-Russian rhetoric. Aliyev clearly understood what this would lead to. It was not in vain that MGIMO finished.
        1. Albay
          Albay 6 November 2020 18: 52 New
          10
          Tralflot. Azerbaijan has been purchasing drones from Israel since 2010, and since then has been producing some modifications under license.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 6 November 2020 19: 21 New
            +2
            If I’m not mistaken, in 16 year there were the first cases of the use of loitering ammunition. We trained. Well, after 18, everything went en masse to Azerbaijan. Before Pashinyan, Russia had a desire to stop Aliyev. We do not know what Putin and Aliyev were talking about at meetings. From Aliyev. I haven't heard a bad word about Russia. That's what education means. Not only money loves silence.
            1. Albay
              Albay 6 November 2020 22: 38 New
              +1
              Tralflot, yes in 2016 there was the first use of strike drones and kamikaze drones. For reconnaissance they were used much earlier. What went on massively after the 18th year? We have been producing our own drones for a long time! We had a lot of them until 2018. I think under Pashinyan Russia would have helped because of its geopolitical goals and interests, but the support of Turkey and Pakistan played a big role here, which officially announced that if some third forces intervene, they will fight I think Russia is not interested in starting a big war because of Pashinyan and Karabakh.
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 6 November 2020 23: 16 New
                +3
                This, who has never completed his studies, did not need to bite his feeding hand, and Putin probably did not have the 5 +2 formula yesterday. We do not know our position, except for all the issues we resolve at the negotiating table. And where does Pakisian come from, except bothering, like nuclear power. Funny.
                1. Albay
                  Albay 6 November 2020 23: 28 New
                  +1
                  Traflot, I will not argue in your words there are also grains of truth. Perhaps you are right!
              2. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 6 November 2020 23: 28 New
                -1
                I’m wondering where the Abkhazians signed for Karabakh! Ria Noosti today announced that volunteers have been sent. But they have peace, friendship, gum with Turkey. I don’t like it, that the knot is tightening more and more.
                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 01: 08 New
                  +1
                  Not Abkhazians, but Armenians living there. There are a lot of them, a little less than half of the population of Abkhazia.
                2. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 7 November 2020 01: 09 New
                  0
                  As it became known to Azeri Daily, during the fierce battles for Shusha, the former Minister of Defense of Armenia, Colonel-General Seyran Ohanyan, was seriously wounded. Earlier, Azeri Daily reported on the order of the leader of the separatists Arayik Harutyunyan to appoint the ex-minister as the military commandant of Shushi.

                  Azerbaijani official sources have confirmed the information about the injury of Seyran Ohanyan.
                  1. tralflot1832
                    tralflot1832 7 November 2020 01: 18 New
                    0
                    Okay, let him be wounded until morning, otherwise tomorrow he will tell Pegov how he was wounded. You already had a puncture with one. How is the weather near Shusha flying?
                3. Albay
                  Albay 7 November 2020 03: 04 New
                  0
                  There are Armenians living in Tralaflot, half of Abkhazia. There, the battolion of the Armcha volunteers in the name of Baghramyan during the war distinguished themselves with particular cruelty towards civilians and prisoners. The Georgians remember this well. This battalion, or rather former fighters, will gather in Karabakh with their commander.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 6 November 2020 18: 52 New
          10
          Quote: tralflot1832
          And when you started supplying drones to Azerbaijanis, perhaps the year when Pashinyan came to power on anti-Russian rhetoric.

          Before. The way the future big war in Karabakh will go was demonstrated to the Armenians back in 2016 - then the Azerbaijanis for the first time massively used UAVs and long-range ATGMs.
          But the Armenians did not draw any conclusions.
          1. Albay
            Albay 6 November 2020 22: 40 New
            +1
            Aleesy, I agree there was a video even where 6 tanks side by side with each other from the spike were destroyed.
        3. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 6 November 2020 20: 19 New
          +7
          Quote: tralflot1832
          And when you started supplying drones to Azerbaijanis, maybe the year when Pashinyan came to power on anti-Russian rhetoric. Aliyev clearly understood what this would lead to. It was not in vain that MGIMO finished.

          Azerbaijan-Israel military-technical cooperation began in 2009.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 6 November 2020 20: 26 New
            -8
            As if we didn't know about it. Polichenel's secrets.
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 6 November 2020 20: 32 New
            +5
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Quote: tralflot1832
            And when you started supplying drones to Azerbaijanis, maybe the year when Pashinyan came to power on anti-Russian rhetoric. Aliyev clearly understood what this would lead to. It was not in vain that MGIMO finished.

            Azerbaijan-Israel military-technical cooperation began in 2009.

            So it seems that no one made secrets from this. What then is the meaning of your question?
            1. karima
              karima 6 November 2020 22: 21 New
              0
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              What then is the meaning of your question?
              It gives with the Armenian fighting spirit. This is a mikhan with a sea smell.
      2. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 7 November 2020 19: 52 New
        0
        Aron Zaavi]
        "And what has Armenia bought for the past 25 years?"
        They began to buy from Russia after the spring war of 2016. They began to sell them on credit.))) Before that, as far as I know, they bought something in China and from the Arab countries of different old things.
    2. Ua3qhp
      Ua3qhp 6 November 2020 18: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: tralflot1832
      The US Embassy is not an air defense weapon at all.

      The US Embassy is the coolest air defense system to date. Only you must be able to use it too. Israel will confirm. laughing
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 6 November 2020 19: 46 New
        -1
        Toto they made an iron kumpol in reserve, there is no hope for the United States. Now Israel is waiting for a goat from Biden.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 6 November 2020 17: 49 New
    19
    Yes, actually - something is not noticeable that the Armenians themselves were eager to rise up a mountain for Karabakh .. The entire multimillion-strong diaspora sits quietly, there is no special collection of money, no crowds of volunteers, no active use of the influence of foreign Armenians .. So far, everything comes down to that for Karabakh the Russian Vanya should go to die .. Why? Well, just because it’s like I’m obliged for life .. And while they sit in the shade ..
    1. karima
      karima 6 November 2020 22: 29 New
      -1
      Quote: paul3390
      Something is not noticeable that the Armenians themselves were eager to stand up like a mountain for Karabakh.

      What do you mean, after all, Akhra Avidzba announced that he had picked up a group of "ethnic" Armenians (that is, mercenaries) from Abkhazia, and would soon leave for Nagorno-Karabakh. True, while they prefer to stay in Sochi, well, there is a seminar, political studies. I advise businesses in Sochi to prepare the roof.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 6 November 2020 23: 53 New
        +1
        Think more broadly, you can stir up something like that from Abkhazia under this guise. But I would not want to. Look at the role of Abkhazia in conflicts. It is not a recognized country except Russia. I hope this is a private initiative, but the departure of the group from Sochi. Why would it be.
  • svp67
    svp67 6 November 2020 17: 50 New
    +2
    However, the Armenian (Karabakh) intelligence for some reason, if not ignored this fact, then did not attach due importance to it.
    The intelligence service does not make a decision that today we are preparing to repel and begin mobilization, this decision is made by the military-political leadership. So, there is no need to translate "arrows" for reconnaissance now.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 6 November 2020 17: 51 New
    +6
    "Where is the money, Zin?" (c) Understood, knew, but what's the point? What to oppose? Modern air defense systems, the same UAVs and other modern means of warfare cost a lot. And knowledge requires a level much higher than "disassembly-assembly of the machine." I suspect that Karabakh is clearly not mad with fat.
  • demiurg
    demiurg 6 November 2020 17: 52 New
    +9
    What's the point of knowing?
    NKR is 120-170 thousand poor people who flee the country at the first opportunity. And the border is almost half the length of the Eastern Front in WWII.
    Even if Armenia recognized the NKR, it would have changed little.
    If the Armenian diasporas were really dumped into arms, then yes, the chances would be, and not bad.

    And so those small crumbs that went into service were stolen. Like we are in the mountains and with the AKM we’re all walking. And dzhYp is needed right now.

    We dug trenches half a meter deep in 30 years, and now the Russians have to die for them, because fellow believers? Why should Vasya Pupkin die in the Transcaucasia, just because a shaman in NKR is kamlaing like a shaman in a prayer house on Red Square?
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 6 November 2020 18: 14 New
      +3
      ... ... And the border is almost half the length of the Eastern Front in WWII.

      Is this a joke, is it? The eastern front can wrap up Armenia five times.
      ... and now the Russians must die for them

      Enough hysteria, no one says that 'should', and no one is sending 'Vasya Pupkin' anywhere yet. Less foam.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 November 2020 18: 15 New
      +1
      The Armenians in the Khan's Karabakh understand this already - except for the most stubborn.
    3. saigon
      saigon 7 November 2020 12: 41 New
      +1
      Valera, do not confuse them with Georgia, if you look from the point of view of the Orthodox Church and in general heretics like Catholics and Protestants.
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 6 November 2020 18: 59 New
    0
    That is why for some reason a pro-Armenian side can be traced in almost all publications of the Russian media. Why - I do not understand.
    But, apparently, with the hands of the Azeris and Turks, Russia is showing Pashinyan that the ontns are not a friend at all. That he, Pashinyan, made the wrong choice. He who is not with us is against us. Pashinyan made his choice and he did not choose us.
    1. Snusmumrik
      Snusmumrik 6 November 2020 19: 14 New
      +4
      Armenia made the wrong choice when it chose Pashinyan. But this is already a matter of the past, and the Armenians have a lesson for the future.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 6 November 2020 19: 43 New
      +7
      Quote: Old Tankman
      That is why for some reason a pro-Armenian side can be traced in almost all publications of the Russian media. Why - I do not understand.

      How did you decide this? I think that most of our population do not care that some or others, but we simply do not want unnecessary bloodshed, because their diasporas live with us, and this may indirectly affect us when they start to arrange a showdown here. It's time to accept for a long time that this is a "cut off hunk" and that it will be the height of madness for us to speak to someone else's side. Let them sort it out among themselves, and when they feel bad, let them turn to us for advice, but not for help - brotherly help always comes out sideways to us, and we must proceed from this.
    3. Stock
      Stock 6 November 2020 20: 39 New
      +2
      In the Russian media, the dominance of Armenians in the leadership. Almost half are owned by Armenians. Plus all sorts of talk shows - Roman Babayan, Keosayan, KurginYan, Bagdasarov, Shakhnazarov and so on
    4. Albay
      Albay 6 November 2020 22: 45 New
      +1
      Greetings to the old tanker!
      The same attitude and coverage was at the beginning of the conflict in the late 80s. Then the people in Azerbaijan were surprised, now they are not surprised. I think there are mainly reasons for religious affiliation, but there are other reasons.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 6 November 2020 23: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: Albay
        Greetings to the old tanker!
        The same attitude and coverage was at the beginning of the conflict in the late 80s. Then the people in Azerbaijan were surprised, now they are not surprised. I think there are mainly reasons for religious affiliation, but there are other reasons.

        This is not a matter of religious affiliation, but of the Moscow Armenian Diaspora that has existed since Soviet times. Children and relatives of the Soviet party elite, moreover talented, immediately received the green light in the cinema (K. Shakhnazarov), on the stage (S. Namin), etc. In addition, the Armenians, by themselves, are active people and they have a craving for higher education - a rather effective mixture)).
        Azerbaijanis, even those born in the Russian Federation and well-educated, tend to go into business more. Their, for the most part, fame, etc. does not attract - money loves silence.
        1. Albay
          Albay 7 November 2020 03: 12 New
          -1
          Krasnodar agrees, Shakhnazarov was still Gorbachev's assistant, academician Aganbekyan, and so on, but during the USSR it was wild to imagine what such a thing could be, because the average person in Russia, too, mainly knowing or not what is closer to Armenia for purely religious reasons, the second reason is turkophobia ...
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 7 November 2020 03: 56 New
            +2
            No closer. Religions are different. The mentality is different. Turcophobia - but the man in the street does not care. At the household level, Germans are big turkophobes, because there is a large Turkish diaspora, among which there are very different people. Russians don't care. They do not like Erdogan, they are indifferent to the Turks at the everyday level.
          2. Nagaibak
            Nagaibak 7 November 2020 19: 58 New
            0
            Albay "After all, for a man in Russia, too, knowing whether or not what is the matter is closer to Armenia for purely religious reasons, the second reason is turkophobia."
            1. Armenians are not Russians of the same faith. Russian Orthodox. The Armenians are Gregorians.
            2. Turcophobia is just yours - gon.)))
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  • svoit
    svoit 6 November 2020 19: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: Terenin
    , she no longer supports Russophobes.

    What does this have to do with Russophobes? If Russia is not capable of managing the Armenian elite, then Russia is to blame, if you don't like this one, put another
    1. Negruz
      Negruz 12 November 2020 17: 12 New
      0
      In Russia, there is a wild idea that the satellite should have the right to choose ... In June Simonyan blurted out something in the opposite sense about the historical homeland, so the entire progressive community of Armenia and the Armenian community of Russia was outraged .. "and it will pass" (from)
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 6 November 2020 19: 49 New
    +3
    The US bet on Pashinyan did not work, again Russia did not come to the war.
  • Bilal
    Bilal 6 November 2020 19: 55 New
    +1
    For several days now I have been reading the statements and never cease to be amazed at the "naivety" of some of the participants. Almost all of them unanimously declare about "the defense army and the militias." Or maybe it's enough to play "and there is evidence", "show the video" or "how do you know." Enough gentlemen, enough. We all know perfectly well that the Armenian army is fighting with its weapons. As dear Valery said:

    Quote: demiurg

    NKR is 120-170 thousand poor people who flee the country at the first opportunity. And the border is almost half the length of the Eastern Front in WWII.


    There could not be so many weapons in Karabakh.

    And as for Turkey or Pakistan, I will say that even if we assume that they are helping us, then we should not look for anything illegal here. It is enough to read Article 51 of the UN Charter:

    This Charter does not in any way affect the inalienable right to individual or collective self-defense in the event of an armed attack on a Member of the Organization, until the Security Council takes the measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. The measures taken by the Members of the Organization in exercising this right to self-defense shall be communicated immediately to the Security Council and shall in no way affect the powers and responsibilities of the Security Council, in accordance with this Charter, with regard to taking at any time such actions as it deems necessary for maintaining or restoring international peace and security.


    For 25-30 years, this very UN Security Council did not take any action to implement its own 4 resolutions on the need for a one-sided withdrawal of the occupation forces from the occupied territories of Azerbaijan. Here is the text of the latest resolution:

    Security Council

    Reaffirming their resolutions 822 (1993) of 30 April 1993, 853 (1993) of 29 July 1993 and 874 (1993) of 14 October 1993,

    Reaffirming their full support for the peace process carried out within the framework of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe and the tireless efforts of the Minsk Group of the Conference,

    Taking note of the letter dated 9 November 1993 from the Chairman-in-Office of the Minsk Conference of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe on Nagorno-Karabakh addressed to the President of the Security Council and addenda thereto1,

    Expressing serious concern that the continuation of the conflict in and around the Nagorno-Karabakh region of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the continued tension in relations between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Azerbaijan would pose a threat to peace and security in the region,

    Noting with concern the escalation of hostilities as a result of ceasefire violations and the excessive use of force in response to these violations, in particular the occupation of the Zangelan region and the city of Horadiz in Azerbaijan,

    reaffirming the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and all other states in the region,

    Reaffirming also the inviolability of international borders and the inadmissibility of the use of force to acquire territory,

    Expressing grave concern over the most recent case of displacement of large numbers of civilians and the emergence of a humanitarian emergency in the Zangelan region and in the city of Horadiz and on the southern border of Azerbaijan,

    1.Condemns the recent violations of the ceasefire established by the parties, which led to the resumption of hostilities, and in particular condemns the occupation of the Zangelan region and the city of Horadiz, attacks on civilians and shelling of the territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan;

    2. Calls on the Government of Armenia to use its influence to achieve compliance by the Armenians of the Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan with resolutions 822 (1993), 853 (1993) and 874 (1993) and to ensure that the forces involved are not provided with funds to continue their military campaign;

    3. Notes with satisfaction the statement of nine members of the Minsk Group of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe of November 4, 1993 and appreciates the proposals contained therein regarding unilateral ceasefire statements;

    4. Demands from the parties concerned an immediate cessation of hostilities and hostile acts, the unilateral withdrawal of the occupying forces from the Zangelan region and the city of Horadiz, and the withdrawal of the occupying forces from the other recently occupied regions of Azerbaijan in accordance with the "Updated timetable for urgent measures to implement resolutions 822 (1993) and 853 (1993) of the Security Council ”2 as amended by the Minsk Group meeting held in Vienna on November 2-8, 1993;

    5. Most urges the parties concerned to urgently resume compliance with the ceasefire established as a result of direct contacts undertaken with the assistance of the Government of the Russian Federation in support of the Minsk Group, and to make it effective and permanent; and continue to search for ways to resolve the conflict through negotiations in the context of the Minsk Process and the “Updated Schedule” as amended at a meeting of the Minsk Group on November 2-8, 1993;

    6. Once again urges all States in the region to refrain from any hostile acts and from any interference that would lead to the escalation of the conflict and undermine peace and security in the region;

    7. Requests the Secretary-General and relevant international agencies to provide urgent humanitarian assistance to the affected civilian population, including the population in the Zangelan region and in the city of Horadiz and on the southern border of Azerbaijan, and to help refugees and displaced persons return to their homes with dignity and without risk;

    8. Reiterates its request to the Secretary-General, the current Chairperson of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe and the Chairperson of the Minsk Conference, to continue to report to the Council on the progress of the Minsk process and on all aspects of the situation on the ground, in particular on the implementation of its relevant resolutions, and on the current and future cooperation between the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe and the United Nations in this regard;

    9. Decides to remain actively seized of the matter.

    Adopted unanimously at the 3313 meeting.


    We had to implement these resolutions ourselves. What else could we do?
    1. Dude
      Dude 6 November 2020 22: 19 New
      0
      There are a lot of bukaf ... However, damn it, packs, Turks and Syrian babays are superfluous in Zvkavkazie!
      You shouldn't have dragged them there ...
  • flicker
    flicker 6 November 2020 20: 15 New
    -3
    Only third forces can correct the current situation if they intervene in the conflict. But so far, as we can see, Moscow is not eager to stand up like a mountain for Pashinyan.
    Moscow is not burning with desire - but Israel is simply burning with a blue flame ... so wants Moscow to get involved in this conflict. bully
  • Konnick
    Konnick 6 November 2020 21: 20 New
    +1
    So much to write and not say anything concretely in this article .... stagnation, modernization, concentration, situation.
  • Ganja
    Ganja 6 November 2020 21: 46 New
    +5
    So many clever comments are written just directly for the Armenians it becomes a pity. If you look at the national interests of Russia with glasses, it turns out that Moscow should have long ago indicated the Armenians in their place and would restore the Soviet status quo. Apparently the Kremlin did not succeed, or the Russian leadership did not want to explain to them what they (the Armenians) should do. Now it turns out that having given Karabakh to Azerbaijan, Armenia has only one path to the Union State with Russia and Belarus. But the question is that, having collapsed the Soviet Union, the Armenians will not destroy this very Union together with Russia?
  • nekromonger
    nekromonger 6 November 2020 21: 50 New
    +2
    and what is the sad situation for us? let them understand their territorial problems themselves.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 6 November 2020 21: 52 New
    +2
    It turns out that besides the Russian AVOS there is AVOS in Armenian bully
    So they lulled themselves to sleep with the "shapkozakidatelstvo" past victories. And when Az. sent dozens of UAVs, the ares on the ground continued to eat khash, and not mask the equipment.
    1. karima
      karima 6 November 2020 22: 36 New
      0
      Quote: xomaNN
      not to mask the technique.
      Yes, they explained to you 100500 times, the usual disguise does not work from the word at all. Absolutely. Don't believe me? Watch the Azerbaijani videos carefully again. You have to think, work your head.
      1. xomaNN
        xomaNN 6 November 2020 23: 35 New
        +1
        Of course, even camouflage nets and decoys + air defense - why bother?
  • yehat2
    yehat2 6 November 2020 22: 09 New
    +1
    there is another mistake - the training of command personnel has dropped since the 90s. There were still Soviet officers then.
    And now - what they have grown and from the actions of the Armenian army it is clear that there are very few intelligent ones.
    There are also problems at the sergeant level. And the training of the army is something that even should not depend on Azerbaijan, especially since absolutely no one interfered with this and the academies of the Russian Federation would be accepted for training and, for sure, they could conduct advanced training courses.
    And when the inept on both sides, the advantage in firepower gives a lot.
    Another point is the lack of strategic preparations for the defense - basically only the line of contact was being prepared.
  • flicker
    flicker 6 November 2020 22: 12 New
    +5
    no statements by Vladimir Putin to help "Christian brothers"
    In this military conflict, the appeal to religion is especially strange and looks like a deliberate provocation.
    For us, both the Armenian and Azerbaijani peoples are friendly and our main goal is to stop the war, which is what we are doing.
    ---
    And not Turkey is the arsonist here, but someone else.
  • certero
    certero 6 November 2020 22: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Nasdaq
    Yes, they knew everything about drones there. Everyone knew about it.

    They didn’t just know, but this year they already received good tryndyuly from these drones.
    But no conclusions were drawn.
    the only correct decision would be to transfer the largest possible amount of air defense weapons from Armenia to Nagorno-Karabakh.
    Because the very territory of Armenia is practically "in the house"
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 6 November 2020 23: 13 New
    +5
    Pashinyan is a traitor !!!! He deliberately surrenders Karabakh in order to then push Armenia into NATO and probably the EU. Countries with territorial disputes are not accepted there.

    It was precisely this task that was set to Pashinyan by his masters in order to sever military and economic ties between Russia and Armenia.

    Look for yourself, Armenia has a modern air defense system capable of removing Bayraktars from the sky, these are both TORs and BUKs, but they do not introduce them into battle, dooming the defenders of Karabakh to certain death, and the OTRK, on ​​the contrary, is moving to the very border and deliberately exposing the UAVs to attack, again not covering their air defense.

    Yes, there are as many as 4 Su-30s which from a long range could remove Bayraktars from the sky directly from the airspace of Armenia.

    In general, this is not a war, but a shame for Armenia, like a shame for its leader, Pashinyan.

    The most striking thing is that the Armenians also justify Pashinyan, saying that almost all of Turkey is fighting against them with all ISIS members from Syria, not counting the Azerbaijanis.

    Shame and shame. And then Pashinyan will say that Russian and Soviet weapons are to blame and Russia is to blame, because it did not help.
  • Turanov
    Turanov 6 November 2020 23: 58 New
    -5
    The main mistakes of the Nagorno-Karabakh army that could have been avoided

    The main mistake is the coming to power of Pashinyan - "the shame of the Armenian nation" ..
    Indeed, in the 1990s, the Armenians managed to defeat the Azerbaijani formations and defend the de facto independence of Nagorno-Karabakh, despite the numerical superiority of the Azerbaijani army.

    Then they almost took Baku ..))) I think Karabakh will not just give up! This is just the beginning
    Is Azerbaijan still short on territory and other resources?
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 7 November 2020 00: 32 New
    -1
    Azerbaijani aviation of the 1990s was rather weak

    where did the author get it? Let him look at the locations of the 34th VA Zak. IN
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 7 November 2020 00: 33 New
    +5
    Quote: Junger
    What a globe - Tigran the Great blew Lucullus and Pompey in the first century BC. And there was a state called Armenia.
    And the great-great-Türks at that time ran in the Altai region and the interfluve of the Syr Darya with the Amu Darya.
    What is there to argue ...
    And now the Armenians are the occupiers of Karabakh laughing

    Tigran II Arteshesid was actually a Persian)) Was appointed by the Romans as the ruler of Armenia (the Semitic Aramean-Akkadian name of the province even before the appearance of the hai-ancestors of the Armenians there) Khai assigned the toponym Armenia (a geographical area like Mesopotamia, Anatolia or Cappadocia) as an ethnonym later ... What is the attitude of this conqueror of many tribes who lived (including the ancestors of Armenians) in the province of Armenia to the hays?)) It's like the Gauls conquered by the Romans would be proud of Caesar's victories in Britain, just because he was appointed before Gaul)) Well, you give) According to the famous specialist in the history of Western Asia and Armenia, Professor Nina Garsoyan (Armenian by origin, by the way) - the founder of the Department of Armenian Studies in the USA, the dean of this department at Princeton University, in ancient Armenia of the pre-Islamic period, there was no one (!) Armenian ruler. All were rulers (kings) were Iranians, including the already mentioned Persian Tigran II Arteshesid and the Parthians of the Arshakids - the conquerors of Armenia, the ancestors of the Armenians owe the adoption of Christianity to the Parthians of the Arshakids. True, the hays (ancestors of the Armenians) did not ask the conquerors of the Arshakids about this, the slave system, do you understand.
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 7 November 2020 11: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Scorpio05
      Tigran II Arteshesid was actually a Persian)) Was appointed by the Romans as the ruler of Armenia

      You have written a lot of interesting things, comrade.
      I confess I am not an expert on highs laughing But I know the following things:
      1. It is not a fact that Tigran was a Persian - there was a very mixed origin. It is very difficult to unequivocally say who he was. It may be true that you and the Parthians are Persians, but this is not so.
      2. No Romans put him as ruler in Armenia - this is nonsense, showing that you have heard something somewhere, but do not really know anything. The Romans rolled Tigranes into a cake. He was a friend of Mithridates Eupator - a fierce enemy of the Romans and a protege of the Parthians.
      Actually, having lied in these points, you most likely lied to the rest.
      And yet - hai Armenians or Martians - it makes no difference, since they have lived in those places since ancient times. But the Turks appeared there at the end of the first millennium AD and their place is at the very end of the queue.
      And they have the same right to Karabakh as the Jews to Birobidzhan.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 7 November 2020 00: 33 New
    +3
    Quote: Turanov
    The main mistakes of the Nagorno-Karabakh army that could have been avoided

    The main mistake is the coming to power of Pashinyan - "the shame of the Armenian nation" ..
    Indeed, in the 1990s, the Armenians managed to defeat the Azerbaijani formations and defend the de facto independence of Nagorno-Karabakh, despite the numerical superiority of the Azerbaijani army.

    Then they almost took Baku ..))) I think Karabakh will not just give up! This is just the beginning
    Is Azerbaijan still short on territory and other resources?

    You are mistaken, the Armenians almost took Moscow and Ankara)))
  • Runway
    Runway 7 November 2020 00: 51 New
    0
    An article that the Earth is a geoid. Written by "the broad strokes of the political officer." The headline tells about "dumb in uniform", and the text "about dumb leaders".
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 7 November 2020 04: 21 New
    0
    If my grandmother had a huayu ... she would be a grandfather.
  • konstantinos kontogiannidis
    konstantinos kontogiannidis 7 November 2020 08: 19 New
    +2
    “Serpent believe more than Jew, trust more than Greek, but never trust an apian.”
    George Orwell
  • ISSIDOR
    ISSIDOR 7 November 2020 09: 02 New
    +1
    Pashinyan made a bet in political poker on the United States and lost completely.
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  • Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 7 November 2020 11: 18 New
    +1
    Apparently, in order to understand Armenians, you have to be an Armenian, Azerbaijanis, you have to become an Azeri.
    And so in any interethnic conflict. The voice of the blood, you know ...

    And a Russian sitting / lying at a PC with a bottle of beer / a cup of coffee and discussing who slapped whom on tinsel in the second century BC. and whose land is idle talk now.

    There are principles of international law - the territorial integrity of the state and there is the principle of the right of nations to self-determination. So turn around, as you know, an Armenian with an Azeri ...
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 7 November 2020 12: 12 New
    0
    Nikol Pashinyan is an enemy of the Armenian people. With his policies, he left Armenia alone. I hope this war will bring Armenians back to their senses.
  • panzerfaust
    panzerfaust 7 November 2020 12: 32 New
    0
    It is time to put an end to this apparently protracted conflict. Azerbaijan forward !!! And Pashinyan is a loser!
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 7 November 2020 13: 00 New
    0
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    ... By the way, Yerevan hoped for Israel, and he winked supported Azerbaijan.

    It seems to me that the Armenians hoped that the OSCE Minsk Group would, like, grab the hot Armenians by the mighty hands, persuade them to 'stop', make them sit down at the tables of non-sponsored negotiations, etc. and boil. And then such a bummer - 'Cut to hell, without waiting for peritonitis!' © It turned out that no one is interested in returning to the past status quo. Better a terrible end than endless horror - decided at the top.

    On this comment, it was possible to end the entire discussion of the article, in conclusion by writing the following:
    Quote: major147
    Quote: Terenin
    We thought that Russia would intercede, because it always intervened, but times have changed, it no longer supports Russophobes.

    Here the situation seems to me a little different. "Comrade" Pashinyan has been tasked by his bosses to tear Armenia away from Russia and attach it to NATO, and for "good" behavior it may be in the EU. Hence the pre-war anti-Russian demonstrations with the aim of setting Russia anti-Armenian. And then a NATO member Turkey, pushed ahead the liberation of Karabakh by Azerbaijan. When the Armenians are expelled from Karabakh, Russophobic sentiments in Armenia will inflate even more and under the slogan "Russia has betrayed us! Armenia's salvation in NATO". As a result, straight there with all the consequences.


    Discussions from the category of who is older there and who has the right to what is like putting the laws aside to disassemble everything according to thieves' concepts. There are two nation states with internationally recognized borders, and that's it.
    An attempt to revise the borders is not in the interests of Armenia itself. And the increase in the territory of Armenia at the expense of the separatists in Azerbaijan and Georgia will lead to nothing but the isolation of Armenia. Armenia needs a population now, but in order to have an influx of it, because there is no natural population growth, and with the death of so many men, it will generally fail, economic growth is needed, and not territories, "ancient" or "non-ancient", wars for them, crisis and decline.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 7 November 2020 13: 30 New
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    Quote: Junger
    Quote: Scorpio05
    Tigran II Arteshesid was actually a Persian)) Was appointed by the Romans as the ruler of Armenia

    You have written a lot of interesting things, comrade.
    I confess I am not an expert on highs laughing But I know the following things:
    1. It is not a fact that Tigran was a Persian - there was a very mixed origin. It is very difficult to unequivocally say who he was. It may be true that you and the Parthians are Persians, but this is not so.
    2. No Romans put him as ruler in Armenia - this is nonsense, showing that you have heard something somewhere, but do not really know anything. The Romans rolled Tigranes into a cake. He was a friend of Mithridates Eupator - a fierce enemy of the Romans and a protege of the Parthians.
    Actually, having lied in these points, you most likely lied to the rest.
    And yet - hai Armenians or Martians - it makes no difference, since they have lived in those places since ancient times. But the Turks appeared there at the end of the first millennium AD and their place is at the very end of the queue.
    And they have the same right to Karabakh as the Jews to Birobidzhan.

    Are you probably an Armenian?)) Not a fact, as it is not a fact, if he was brought from Rome, he did not speak local dialects and belonged to the Arteshisids (Artaxids), who ruled not only in the province of Armenia, but at the same time in Iberia (Ariazbarn Arteshisid from) and Atropatene (Artavazd Arteshisid). Of course, you are a more authoritative source than Professor Garsoyan - the creator of Armenian studies as a science in the USA, and Professor Karakashnya and Perikhanyan agreed that there were no Armenian rulers in ancient Armenia. You are stubborn people, you will hold on to the end for the heresy that you put in your head))
    You have a tsunami in your head, and problems with memory. Tigran II was not a friend of Mithridates the Great, he was his son-in-law! And he owed all his alleged conquests only to Mithridates while he was alive.
    You lied. Now comrades on the site, follow where I wrote that the Arshakids are PERSONS?
    I wrote the Arteshisids as Arshakids are Iranians, which is a collective name for both the Persians and the Parthians. The ethnic concept Iranian is not identical to the Persian, comrade, if you do not understand, there is still nothing to talk about with you.
    If Armenians did appear, they appeared in Armenia (the sources of the Euphrates), but in no way in the Caucasus, or rather in Caucasian Albania, where not the Armenians (Indo-European in language, and Semitic in race) lived, but the Albanians, a Caucasian people in language. You have confused everything in the world, comrade, illiterate Armenian propagandist. The Monophysite Armenians infiltrated Albania (Karabakh) by betrayal, bringing the Orthodox Albanians to the Arabs. The Muslim Arabs were the conquerors of the Caucasus and all of Western Asia at that time. The Arabs by military force transferred power (also property, churches and flock) from the Orthodox (allied Byzantium) Albanians, to the treacherous Monophysites, the Armenians.
    Armenian historical parasitism and dependency - a whole strategy for the survival of Armenians was already in effect then)
    Only instead of the Russians, the Armenians used the Muslim Arabs for their own purposes.
    All this happened in the Middle Ages, in the same Middle Ages the Turks INDEPENDENTLY (without the help of the Arabs or anyone else) conquered the entire region from Byzantium (who had previously conquered the Armenians) to Iran.
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 7 November 2020 18: 23 New
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      Quote: Scorpio05
      Are you probably Armenian?))

      Didn't guess at all)
      Quote: Scorpio05
      Not a fact, as it is not a fact, if he was brought from Rome, he did not speak local dialects and belonged to the Arteshisids (Artaxids)

      Tigran II became king after his uncle, the Armenian king Artavasd I, was forced to send Tigran as a hostage to the Parthians after a military defeat.
      When his father Tigran I died around 95 BC. BC, Tigran was sent back to Armenia to take his place on the throne

      Well, they could not bring him from Rome in any way - this is fierce delirium.
      Quote: Scorpio05
      Tigran II was not a friend of Mithridates the Great, he was his son-in-law!

      And what, sons-in-law are always enemies of the father-in-law or what? Is that the case with the Turks?
      Quote: Scorpio05
      And all his alleged conquests he owed only to Mithridates while he was alive.

      Lying. Tigranes was a completely successful independent leader and the last hope and ally of Mithridates.
      Quote: Scorpio05
      Of course, you are a more authoritative source than Professor Garsoyan - the creator of Armenian studies as a science in the United States, and Professor Karakashnya and Perikhanyan agreed that there were no Armenian rulers in ancient Armenia

      I don't really care who the rulers of ancient Armenia were by nationality and, in particular, purple - who was by blood Tigran II - even a Jew. smile
      For some reason you clung to Tigran, apparently you think that he is very dear to me. And I mentioned him only to say that he ruled a state called Armenia (and Karabakh was part of it) even at the time when the pra-Türks were collecting horse manure in Altai.
      That's all.
      And for your information - there were no Russian Tsars by blood in the Russian Empire for the last century and a half of its existence - this in no way denies the presence of the Russian people in the state. In the British Empire, the monarchs were also Germans - and that's okay too, the Anglo-Saxons did not become impoverished.
      Therefore, who ruled the Armenians there and called them hays or whatever, does not matter, and the creators of the Armenian studies are not in the subject.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 7 November 2020 13: 50 New
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    Quote: Azimuth
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    ... By the way, Yerevan hoped for Israel, and he winked supported Azerbaijan.

    It seems to me that the Armenians hoped that the OSCE Minsk Group would, like, grab the hot Armenians by the mighty hands, persuade them to 'stop', make them sit down at the tables of non-sponsored negotiations, etc. and boil. And then such a bummer - 'Cut to hell, without waiting for peritonitis!' © It turned out that no one is interested in returning to the past status quo. Better a terrible end than endless horror - decided at the top.

    On this comment, it was possible to end the entire discussion of the article, in conclusion by writing the following:
    Quote: major147
    Quote: Terenin
    We thought that Russia would intercede, because it always intervened, but times have changed, it no longer supports Russophobes.

    Here the situation seems to me a little different. "Comrade" Pashinyan has been tasked by his bosses to tear Armenia away from Russia and attach it to NATO, and for "good" behavior it may be in the EU. Hence the pre-war anti-Russian demonstrations with the aim of setting Russia anti-Armenian. And then a NATO member Turkey, pushed ahead the liberation of Karabakh by Azerbaijan. When the Armenians are expelled from Karabakh, Russophobic sentiments in Armenia will inflate even more and under the slogan "Russia has betrayed us! Armenia's salvation in NATO". As a result, straight there with all the consequences.


    Discussions from the category of who is older there and who has the right to what is like putting the laws aside to disassemble everything according to thieves' concepts. There are two nation states with internationally recognized borders, and that's it.
    An attempt to revise the borders is not in the interests of Armenia itself. And the increase in the territory of Armenia at the expense of the separatists in Azerbaijan and Georgia will lead to nothing but the isolation of Armenia. Armenia needs a population now, but in order to have an influx of it, because there is no natural population growth, and with the death of so many men, it will generally fail, economic growth is needed, and not territories, "ancient" or "non-ancient", wars for them, crisis and decline.

    I betrayed Armenia)). The Armenians (Arsrun Hovhannisyan) are already grateful to Russia for the daily transfer of the most important intelligence data from the Russian side, and the Armenians every day mushrooms (instead of knocked out) new Russian equipment, a huge number of various anti-tank systems and MANPADS (expensive things, by the way, how are you with Russian pensions?). Also involved are the latest Russian electronic warfare systems that appeared in Karabakh (on the sovereign Azerbaijani soil (!) Against Azerbaijani drones. The Armenians brag with might and main that thanks to these Russian systems, recently deployed, the Armenians managed to land Azerbaijani drones in Karabakh.
    Of course, thank you very much for such "non-interference", it's not about the Russian divisions sent directly to the battles for the Armenians. Even in spite of all this large-scale and massive Russian military assistance to the Armenians, these historical dependents and parasites howl and whine, but Azerbaijan is stoically silent) Well, they cannot, since the Armenians are virtuosos of displeased whining, whining and grumbling just in case ...
  • Radikal
    Radikal 7 November 2020 23: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Gardamir
    Rotenberg's Russia and Gardamir's Russia are different countries, there is a social distance between us of one billion.

    Are you writing from the trenches in Nagorno-Karabakh?

    And you? sad
    1. Negruz
      Negruz 13 November 2020 10: 21 New
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      Is he dissatisfied with something to sit in a trench?
  • Zoomlion
    Zoomlion 8 November 2020 23: 49 New
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    He said everything right
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 9 November 2020 16: 37 New
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    Pashinyan's tasks do not and did not include the successful conduct of the war with Azerbaijan. This is the whole point.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 13 November 2020 16: 56 New
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    Quote: Negruz
    Is he dissatisfied with something to sit in a trench?

    Quite the opposite - the fact that he is happy with everything, although the majority of the population has no reason for this. sad
  • Roskar
    Roskar 15 November 2020 15: 47 New
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    It is necessary for the authors to understand. There is no term "Nagorno-Karabakh" there is no term "Stepanakert" and the like .... this is in the past, for example, St. Petersburg is called Leningrad, or the Russian Federation is the RSFSR. There is no "army of Nagorno-Karabakh" from where the "army" could appear in this region. There are separatists - with the weapons left by the Russians when they left Azerbaijan, there are the Armenian armed forces, and so on. It is time and time to learn to say everything correctly. And then starting to read it immediately makes no sense to finish reading and the audience of many thousands is lost.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 16 November 2020 00: 33 New
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      there is both, and the third, for example, the independence of Artsakh was also recognized by the French city of Alforville, that is, Stepanokert and the Karabakh defense army are recognized there) so it's like looking from the outside) weapons are there not only from the Russians who left Azerbaijan, from where there is Tor 2MKM appeared, flew from the future?) so you need to know that there are two sides and both sides consider themselves masters)