Indian press is outraged by the finding of Chinese J-20 fighters 250 km from Ladakh

The Indian press is outraged that the Chinese Air Force does not abandon the basing of its fifth-generation J-20 stealth fighters in the disputed region of Ladakh.

According to the latest data, which is confirmed by satellite imagery, at least one J-20 fighter is located at the PRC Air Force Base Hotan (previously reported about 2 J-20). This base is located in the southwest of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of China. The straight line distance from Khotan to the territories of Ladakh is no more than 250 km.

The Indian press stated that China by deploying its fifth generation fighters in Khotan makes it clear that "it is not ready to fulfill its obligations to demilitarize the zone in the Ladakh region." At the same time, none of the sides says exactly what radius the demilitarization zone should have. In Ladakh itself, the battle aviation no, however, were transferred to this area Tanks Indian Armed Forces, including T-72 and T-90.

Satellite image, which is dated at the end of September, posted on the Twitter account of the observer Rupprecht_A ... The basis is Google Earth.

Despite the fact that the parties have already held several rounds of negotiations, none of them is going to withdraw equipment from the region for long distances, fearing provocation from the enemy. Chinese J-20s are expected to remain in Hotan at least until early next year.

Comments

[Victor_B]

BOTH sides are openly preparing for hostilities in the area.
So that the Indians themselves have a stigma in fluff!

(We shared an orange ... many of ours were killed ...) (c)

[Victor_B]

But if you hang more and more guns on the stage for a long time, it will certainly shoot!
Required!

[Insurgent]

I looked at the photo for the article, and I had a question not quite on the topic - the J-20, which the Chinese assess as a 5th generation fighter, that is, with elements of stealth, with such "mugs" of the PGO, will not "shine" on radars like Christmas tree ?

[Victor_B]

Quote: Insurgent

with such "mugs" PGO, will not "shine" on the radar like a New Year tree?

Well, he does not always swing them widely.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Victor_B

Ну not always he waves them wide.

A radar, is watching always.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Insurgent

And the radar is always watching.

Have you ever sat behind an ICO all-round radar?
The sky is scanned with a certain frequency and not at every pass of the beam the VGO will give the greatest reflection.
The sharp beam of the firing station is essentially a searchlight, but it is NARROW and the station itself can only find a plane in the sky by accident.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Victor_B

Have you ever sat behind an ICO all-round radar?
The sky is scanned with a certain frequency and not at every pass of the beam the VGO will give the greatest reflection.
The sharp beam of the firing station is essentially a searchlight, but it is NARROW and the station itself can only find a plane in the sky by accident.

Obviously, if you served in the air defense, then apparently very for a long time, not on the latest modifications of the S-300-350, and even more so not on the S-400 ...

[Victor_B]

Yes, for a long time.
But you cannot imagine how many factors interfere with target detection!
The laws of physics of the propagation of e / magnetic waves have never changed over the years.
Do not believe cinematic fairy tales, in which all information about the aircraft and the name of the pilot's grandmother are displayed on the displays.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Victor_B

You have no idea how many factors interfere with target detection!
The laws of physics of the propagation of e / magnetic waves have never changed over the years.

Physics, yes, unshakable But methods of solving practical problems of detecting, capturing and identifying an object (target) using mathematical algorithms for modulating the signal, and the frequencies at which it is sent, have advanced greatly.

The principle is the same - radar, but the system approach is different.

[The eye of the crying]

The radar is still scanning the comparative space in small parts.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

And Russia is no longer an arbiter; it is only a partner.

[Volodin]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

And Russia is no longer an arbiter; it is only a partner.

Does Russia absolutely need to become an arbiter there? If there is an irresistible desire to fight, then let yourself, without arbiters ...

[Daniil Konovalenko]

The USSR once acted and more than once an arbiter in the course of the Indo-Pakistani wars, quite successfully. He ruled out the situation between China and India in border conflicts. Naturally, this was not true for a long time.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

The USSR once acted and more than once an arbiter in the course of the Indo-Pakistani wars, quite successfully. He ruled out the situation between China and India in border conflicts. Naturally, this was not true for a long time.

Now it becomes more and more difficult to be an arbiter. Firstly - and the weight is not the same as that of the USSR, secondly - to agree with the PRC what to argue with the moon, and thirdly - India received and receives various weapons systems from the Russian Federation. If China has almost stopped buying from Russia (with the exception of a short series of critical ones (aircraft engines, air defense systems), then India remains one of the leaders in Russia's arms exports. In such conditions, reconciling and, at the same time, selling weapons to one of the parties will be problematic .. ...

[Daniil Konovalenko]

That's what I say, partner ...

[Pereira]

If both sides have a sharp decline in technology, there will be new contracts. At both sides.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Pereira

... there will be new contracts. At both sides.

From India - 100%.
And China has acquired a powerful military-industrial complex. Almost all of them build themselves. Does it make sense for them to buy our armored personnel carriers or artillery systems? The increase in contracts can be, again, in critical and so far unattainable positions. Although .. even if we take Chinese aircraft engines, which are inferior in all respects to the Russian ones, then in a war it is better to build 500 of our own "average" ones than to buy 50 "excellent" ones ...

[Revolver]

Quote: Doccor18

in war, it is better to build 500 of your "average" than to buy 50 "excellent" ...

To "mediocre" they like from Ladakh to Beijing in a knee-elbow position. So far, their service life is measured in piece hours, and the thrust is somewhere around 80% of the calculated one. It is not for nothing that they continue to buy motors from Russia.

[Doccor18]

In 2019, a J-10C fighter took off in China with a new Chinese WS-10 engine (with UVT) installed instead of the Russian AL-31F engine. The Chinese still managed to bring the WS-10 from experimental (200 hours) to serial (2400 hours). Therefore, the time is not far off when China will completely abandon Russian AL-31F aircraft engines: now J-11 (SU-27), J-16 (analogue of SU-35), J-10C will be equipped with WS-10. However, the WS-10, with a thrust of 14,5 tons, is weak for the J20. A more powerful WS-15 is being developed for it, with a thrust of up to 18 tons. The Chinese are confident that in 2022 the WS-15 will go into production.
So they didn't stay in the "knee-elbow" for long ...

[ZEMCH]

Quote: Doccor18

WS-15, up to 18 tons of thrust. The Chinese are confident that in 2022 the WS-15 will go into production.
So they didn't stay in the "knee-elbow" for long ...

The most important question in their engines is the resource! They do not pull until

[Hypertension]

Quote: Volodin

Does Russia absolutely need to become an arbiter there?

As a rule, arbitrators then become guilty. And for both sides.

[Runoway]

In general, our interest in the escalation of the conflict, the Indians are immediately more decisive in ordering equipment.
We danced with the joint development of the 5th generation, now let the Chinese make the Rafals laugh in response ... scare ... New friends, the Americans, except for the old F-16, will not help in anything, but buying a Su-35 would be very weighty, plus our tanks.
In general, our military-industrial complex needs to quickly catch up and overtake Israel and Turkey in the production of drones and export them, the Azerbaijanis have advertised the demand will be great

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Runoway

to buy a Su-35 would be very significant, plus our tanks.

Well, the Indians have enough of our tanks. Only they are heavy for this theater of operations, they will not get to the place. There you need something easier. By the way, the Chinese have such.
Yes, and Sushki are also available, they are going to modernize them so that they will be better than our 35th.
And which is better, the Chinese "stealth" or Rafal, still need to look.

[Runoway]

Only they are heavy for this theater of operations, they will not get to the place.

By
There was an article on VO that the dancers drove Russian tanks to Ladakh, and the brainchild of their own production began to stall in view of the thin air of the high mountains.

what will be better than our 35th

Outright stupidity, no export SU-30, even if it is equipped with French or Israeli avionics, the SU-35 will not be better !!!

which is better, the Chinese "stealth" or Rafal, still need to look.

There is nowhere to look, if we consider it as two aircraft, then Rafal is a well-known bird with characteristics, capabilities and a name.
But what SUDDENLY collected narrow-eyed copiers and where did they get stealth from "available world spare parts for export aircraft" - more like a bluff.
But if we consider them as two Armies, then there is already a different alignment:
-NOA with its own aircraft and pilots trained for it, perfectly understanding its capabilities and tasks, moreover, 100% integrated into a single system
-Indian Air Force with a fleet of aircraft, like a fleet of cars from a wealthy gypsy, bought everything that they sold and everything that glitters, their entire infrastructure is tied to the Russian aviation, and they threaten the Americans and suddenly they bought the French and what kind of weather they will do is not clear, This deal is not so much the strengthening of our own army as a stupid demonstration for our military-industrial complex, they say they have many options on the market.
An elementary conflict with Pakistan showed that they could not even effectively use the SU-30 (their flagship) against the F-16, flew on old junk, who now with them, on completely new for them Rafals, will be able to show the Chinese the skill of air combat? ??? NOBODY will stand at the airfield for dancing around it and military parades

[passerby]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

And Russia is no longer an arbiter; it is only a partner.

I remember the Armenians with the same statements, not too long ago, they were jumping around in public, offering the Russians to squeeze the imperial mentality out of themselves and not get involved in the affairs of Armenia, they say we are independent and without you we will figure out the "under-empire". And now, on the contrary, they are jumping around in public and are outraged why the Russians do not care about independent Armenia and Karabakh, why they don’t care about the growing influence of Turkey in the Transcaucasus and, in general, why they don’t want to fight for Armenian interests in Karabakh and create a no-fly zone there. The world is full of irony ...

[Jacket in stock]

Now what, you can only deploy your troops on your territory with the permission of your neighbor?
Interestingly, what would these "outraged" answer if the Chinese began to tell them?

[Voyager]

Well, how can I say ... when was the last time we, for example, were happy with the news about the construction of an American missile defense system near our border and another base? The military has its own language and the deployment of troops close to each other without adequate reasons, this is, to put it mildly, provocative and the deployer knows it very well.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Voyager

when was the last time we, for example, were happy with the news about the construction of an American missile defense system near our border

Well, that's the point, an American base on a foreign territory.
And here is one (!) Plane 250 km from the disputed territory, read it deep in the rear. What thread Vietnam does not have a drain at all

[times]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Now what, you can only deploy your troops on your territory with the permission of your neighbor?

There, the claims are different: there was an agreement to take the equipment to some distance from the disputed area. So they present to each other.

[Revolver]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Now what, you can only deploy your troops on your territory with the permission of your neighbor?
Interestingly, what would these "outraged" answer if the Chinese began to tell them?

It seems like India considers it its territory, so it is at least controversial.

[karima]

India will draw proper conclusions from the events in Karabakh and the surrounding area. They'll go to get theirs.

[rotmistr60]

The Indian press is outraged ...

Logically speaking, there are strange indignations, strange claims. China on its territory, at its base, can place and do whatever it wants, even dancing a polka-butterfly to Indian music. Therefore, they can be indignant as much as they want to calm their souls.

[yehat2]

China drew the right conclusions from India's clashes with Pakistan that Indian aviation is fundamentally outdated, and its coordination leaves much to be desired. Therefore, the deployment of the latest fighters gives great advantages in possible skirmishes and cannot but act intimidating to the desire to exacerbate incidents. The Chinese act extremely prudently and do not rattle about by force. In addition, they really need the practical development of the updated weapons.

[Interlocutor]

And has anyone seen how the Indians are outraged?

[Petr Vladimirovich]

Indian citizens are called INDIANS ...)

[Pandiurin]

Quote: yehat2

China drew the right conclusions from India's clashes with Pakistan that Indian aviation is fundamentally outdated, and its coordination leaves much to be desired. Therefore, the deployment of the latest fighters gives great advantages in possible skirmishes and cannot but act intimidating to the desire to exacerbate incidents. The Chinese act extremely prudently and do not rattle about by force. In addition, they really need the practical development of the updated weapons.

Moreover, only one plane.
Which is clearly not enough to "make noise" in India. Rather, a measure to intercept and counter the incident similar to India against Pakistan, about which you wrote.