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Indian press is outraged by the finding of Chinese J-20 fighters 250 km from Ladakh

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Indian press is outraged by the finding of Chinese J-20 fighters 250 km from Ladakh

The Indian press is outraged that the Chinese Air Force does not abandon the basing of its fifth-generation J-20 stealth fighters in the disputed region of Ladakh.


According to the latest data, which is confirmed by satellite imagery, at least one J-20 fighter is located at the PRC Air Force Base Hotan (previously reported about 2 J-20). This base is located in the southwest of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of China. The straight line distance from Khotan to the territories of Ladakh is no more than 250 km.

The Indian press stated that China by deploying its fifth generation fighters in Khotan makes it clear that "it is not ready to fulfill its obligations to demilitarize the zone in the Ladakh region." At the same time, none of the sides says exactly what radius the demilitarization zone should have. In Ladakh itself, the battle aviation no, however, were transferred to this area Tanks Indian Armed Forces, including T-72 and T-90.



Satellite image, which is dated at the end of September, posted on the Twitter account of the observer Rupprecht_A ... The basis is Google Earth.


Despite the fact that the parties have already held several rounds of negotiations, none of them is going to withdraw equipment from the region for long distances, fearing provocation from the enemy. Chinese J-20s are expected to remain in Hotan at least until early next year.
Photos used:
Twitter / RupprechtDeino (Google Earth)
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 6 November 2020 07: 54
    +1
    BOTH sides are openly preparing for hostilities in the area.
    So that the Indians themselves have a stigma in fluff!

    (We shared an orange ... many of ours were killed ...) (c)
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 6 November 2020 07: 57
      +1
      But if you hang more and more guns on the stage for a long time, it will certainly shoot!
      Required!
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 6 November 2020 09: 33
        +4
        I looked at the photo for the article, and I had a question not quite on the topic - the J-20, which the Chinese assess as a 5th generation fighter, that is, with elements of stealth, with such "mugs" of the PGO, will not "shine" on radars like Christmas tree ?

        1. Victor_B
          Victor_B 6 November 2020 09: 35
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          Quote: Insurgent
          with such "mugs" PGO, will not "shine" on the radar like a New Year tree?

          Well, he does not always swing them widely.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 6 November 2020 09: 36
            +4
            Quote: Victor_B
            Ну not always he waves them wide.

            A radar, is watching always.
            1. Victor_B
              Victor_B 6 November 2020 09: 41
              0
              Quote: Insurgent
              And the radar is always watching.

              Have you ever sat behind an ICO all-round radar?
              The sky is scanned with a certain frequency and not at every pass of the beam the VGO will give the greatest reflection.
              The sharp beam of the firing station is essentially a searchlight, but it is NARROW and the station itself can only find a plane in the sky by accident.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 6 November 2020 09: 45
                +3
                Quote: Victor_B
                Have you ever sat behind an ICO all-round radar?
                The sky is scanned with a certain frequency and not at every pass of the beam the VGO will give the greatest reflection.
                The sharp beam of the firing station is essentially a searchlight, but it is NARROW and the station itself can only find a plane in the sky by accident.

                Obviously, if you served in the air defense, then apparently very for a long time, not on the latest modifications of the S-300-350, and even more so not on the S-400 ...
                1. Victor_B
                  Victor_B 6 November 2020 09: 49
                  +1
                  Yes, for a long time.
                  But you cannot imagine how many factors interfere with target detection!
                  The laws of physics of the propagation of e / magnetic waves have never changed over the years.
                  Do not believe cinematic fairy tales, in which all information about the aircraft and the name of the pilot's grandmother are displayed on the displays.
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 6 November 2020 09: 57
                    +3
                    Quote: Victor_B
                    You have no idea how many factors interfere with target detection!
                    The laws of physics of the propagation of e / magnetic waves have never changed over the years.

                    Physics, yes, unshakable yes But methods of solving practical problems of detecting, capturing and identifying an object (target) using mathematical algorithms for modulating the signal, and the frequencies at which it is sent, have advanced greatly.

                    The principle is the same - radar, but the system approach is different.
                2. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 7 November 2020 12: 36
                  0
                  The radar is still scanning the comparative space in small parts.
  2. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 6 November 2020 07: 59
    +2
    And Russia is no longer an arbiter; it is only a partner. smile
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 6 November 2020 08: 08
      +1
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      And Russia is no longer an arbiter; it is only a partner.

      Does Russia absolutely need to become an arbiter there? If there is an irresistible desire to fight, then let yourself, without arbiters ...
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 6 November 2020 08: 11
        +2
        The USSR once acted and more than once an arbiter in the course of the Indo-Pakistani wars, quite successfully. He ruled out the situation between China and India in border conflicts. Naturally, this was not true for a long time. smile
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 6 November 2020 08: 32
          +2
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          The USSR once acted and more than once an arbiter in the course of the Indo-Pakistani wars, quite successfully. He ruled out the situation between China and India in border conflicts. Naturally, this was not true for a long time. smile

          Now it becomes more and more difficult to be an arbiter. Firstly - and the weight is not the same as that of the USSR, secondly - to agree with the PRC what to argue with the moon, and thirdly - India received and receives various weapons systems from the Russian Federation. If China has almost stopped buying from Russia (with the exception of a short series of critical ones (aircraft engines, air defense systems), then India remains one of the leaders in Russia's arms exports. In such conditions, reconciling and, at the same time, selling weapons to one of the parties will be problematic .. ...
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 6 November 2020 08: 42
            +2
            That's what I say, partner ... smile
          2. Pereira
            Pereira 6 November 2020 08: 47
            0
            If both sides have a sharp decline in technology, there will be new contracts. At both sides.
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 6 November 2020 08: 59
              0
              Quote: Pereira
              ... there will be new contracts. At both sides.

              From India - 100%.
              And China has acquired a powerful military-industrial complex. Almost all of them build themselves. Does it make sense for them to buy our armored personnel carriers or artillery systems? The increase in contracts can be, again, in critical and so far unattainable positions. Although .. even if we take Chinese aircraft engines, which are inferior in all respects to the Russian ones, then in a war it is better to build 500 of our own "average" ones than to buy 50 "excellent" ones ...
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 6 November 2020 09: 30
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                Quote: Doccor18
                in war, it is better to build 500 of your "average" than to buy 50 "excellent" ...

                To "mediocre" they like from Ladakh to Beijing in a knee-elbow position. So far, their service life is measured in piece hours, and the thrust is somewhere around 80% of the calculated one. It is not for nothing that they continue to buy motors from Russia.
                1. Doccor18
                  Doccor18 6 November 2020 10: 07
                  0
                  In 2019, a J-10C fighter took off in China with a new Chinese WS-10 engine (with UVT) installed instead of the Russian AL-31F engine. The Chinese still managed to bring the WS-10 from experimental (200 hours) to serial (2400 hours). Therefore, the time is not far off when China will completely abandon Russian AL-31F aircraft engines: now J-11 (SU-27), J-16 (analogue of SU-35), J-10C will be equipped with WS-10. However, the WS-10, with a thrust of 14,5 tons, is weak for the J20. A more powerful WS-15 is being developed for it, with a thrust of up to 18 tons. The Chinese are confident that in 2022 the WS-15 will go into production.
                  So they didn't stay in the "knee-elbow" for long ...
                  1. ZEMCH
                    ZEMCH 6 November 2020 15: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Doccor18
                    WS-15, up to 18 tons of thrust. The Chinese are confident that in 2022 the WS-15 will go into production.
                    So they didn't stay in the "knee-elbow" for long ...

                    The most important question in their engines is the resource! They do not pull until wink
      2. Hypertension
        Hypertension 6 November 2020 12: 25
        +1
        Quote: Volodin
        Does Russia absolutely need to become an arbiter there?

        As a rule, arbitrators then become guilty. And for both sides.
    2. Runoway
      Runoway 6 November 2020 09: 52
      0
      In general, our interest in the escalation of the conflict, the Indians are immediately more decisive in ordering equipment.
      We danced with the joint development of the 5th generation, now let the Chinese make the Rafals laugh in response ... scare laughing ... New friends, the Americans, except for the old F-16, will not help in anything, but buying a Su-35 would be very weighty, plus our tanks.
      In general, our military-industrial complex needs to quickly catch up and overtake Israel and Turkey in the production of drones and export them, the Azerbaijanis have advertised the demand will be great
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 6 November 2020 14: 13
        -2
        Quote: Runoway
        to buy a Su-35 would be very significant, plus our tanks.

        Well, the Indians have enough of our tanks. Only they are heavy for this theater of operations, they will not get to the place. There you need something easier. By the way, the Chinese have such.
        Yes, and Sushki are also available, they are going to modernize them so that they will be better than our 35th.
        And which is better, the Chinese "stealth" or Rafal, still need to look.
        1. Runoway
          Runoway 7 November 2020 00: 12
          0
          Only they are heavy for this theater of operations, they will not get to the place.

          By
          There was an article on VO that the dancers drove Russian tanks to Ladakh, and the brainchild of their own production began to stall in view of the thin air of the high mountains.
          what will be better than our 35th

          Outright stupidity, no export SU-30, even if it is equipped with French or Israeli avionics, the SU-35 will not be better !!!
          which is better, the Chinese "stealth" or Rafal, still need to look.

          There is nowhere to look, if we consider it as two aircraft, then Rafal is a well-known bird with characteristics, capabilities and a name.
          But what SUDDENLY collected narrow-eyed copiers and where did they get stealth from "available world spare parts for export aircraft" - more like a bluff.
          But if we consider them as two Armies, then there is already a different alignment:
          -NOA with its own aircraft and pilots trained for it, perfectly understanding its capabilities and tasks, moreover, 100% integrated into a single system
          -Indian Air Force with a fleet of aircraft, like a fleet of cars from a wealthy gypsy, bought everything that they sold and everything that glitters, their entire infrastructure is tied to the Russian aviation, and they threaten the Americans and suddenly they bought the French and what kind of weather they will do is not clear, This deal is not so much the strengthening of our own army as a stupid demonstration for our military-industrial complex, they say they have many options on the market.
          An elementary conflict with Pakistan showed that they could not even effectively use the SU-30 (their flagship) against the F-16, flew on old junk, who now with them, on completely new for them Rafals, will be able to show the Chinese the skill of air combat? ??? NOBODY will stand at the airfield for dancing around it and military parades
    3. passerby
      passerby 7 November 2020 05: 59
      +1
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      And Russia is no longer an arbiter; it is only a partner.

      I remember the Armenians with the same statements, not too long ago, they were jumping around in public, offering the Russians to squeeze the imperial mentality out of themselves and not get involved in the affairs of Armenia, they say we are independent and without you we will figure out the "under-empire". And now, on the contrary, they are jumping around in public and are outraged why the Russians do not care about independent Armenia and Karabakh, why they don’t care about the growing influence of Turkey in the Transcaucasus and, in general, why they don’t want to fight for Armenian interests in Karabakh and create a no-fly zone there. The world is full of irony ...
  3. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 6 November 2020 08: 10
    +2
    Now what, you can only deploy your troops on your territory with the permission of your neighbor?
    Interestingly, what would these "outraged" answer if the Chinese began to tell them?
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 6 November 2020 08: 18
      +2
      Well, how can I say ... when was the last time we, for example, were happy with the news about the construction of an American missile defense system near our border and another base? The military has its own language and the deployment of troops close to each other without adequate reasons, this is, to put it mildly, provocative and the deployer knows it very well.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 6 November 2020 14: 07
        0
        Quote: Voyager
        when was the last time we, for example, were happy with the news about the construction of an American missile defense system near our border

        Well, that's the point, an American base on a foreign territory.
        And here is one (!) Plane 250 km from the disputed territory, read it deep in the rear. What thread Vietnam does not have a drain at all
    2. times
      times 6 November 2020 08: 31
      16
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Now what, you can only deploy your troops on your territory with the permission of your neighbor?

      There, the claims are different: there was an agreement to take the equipment to some distance from the disputed area. So they present to each other.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 6 November 2020 09: 31
      0
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Now what, you can only deploy your troops on your territory with the permission of your neighbor?
      Interestingly, what would these "outraged" answer if the Chinese began to tell them?

      It seems like India considers it its territory, so it is at least controversial.
  4. karima
    karima 6 November 2020 08: 45
    -1
    India will draw proper conclusions from the events in Karabakh and the surrounding area. They'll go to get theirs.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 November 2020 10: 43
    0
    The Indian press is outraged ...
    Logically speaking, there are strange indignations, strange claims. China on its territory, at its base, can place and do whatever it wants, even dancing a polka-butterfly to Indian music. Therefore, they can be indignant as much as they want to calm their souls.
  6. yehat2
    yehat2 6 November 2020 15: 29
    +2
    China drew the right conclusions from India's clashes with Pakistan that Indian aviation is fundamentally outdated, and its coordination leaves much to be desired. Therefore, the deployment of the latest fighters gives great advantages in possible skirmishes and cannot but act intimidating to the desire to exacerbate incidents. The Chinese act extremely prudently and do not rattle about by force. In addition, they really need the practical development of the updated weapons.
  7. Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 6 November 2020 15: 35
    0
    And has anyone seen how the Indians are outraged?
  8. Petr Vladimirovich
    Petr Vladimirovich 6 November 2020 20: 26
    0
    Indian citizens are called INDIANS ...)
  9. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 7 November 2020 12: 41
    0
    Quote: yehat2
    China drew the right conclusions from India's clashes with Pakistan that Indian aviation is fundamentally outdated, and its coordination leaves much to be desired. Therefore, the deployment of the latest fighters gives great advantages in possible skirmishes and cannot but act intimidating to the desire to exacerbate incidents. The Chinese act extremely prudently and do not rattle about by force. In addition, they really need the practical development of the updated weapons.


    Moreover, only one plane.
    Which is clearly not enough to "make noise" in India. Rather, a measure to intercept and counter the incident similar to India against Pakistan, about which you wrote.