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Why does the Russian navy order six warships each: a response from ASPI

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Many readers wonder what the Russian Navy is guided by when it orders six warships of the same project. Why exactly six and not five or eight?


So, in total, the construction of 12 MRK Buyan-M was ordered, six diesel-electric submarines of the Varshavyanka type each for the Black Sea Fleet and Pacific Fleet, and so on. To clarify the situation, it is appropriate to cite excerpts from the report of the ASPI Research Institute, which reveals the essence of this approach and the answer to the question posed:

In the military, there is a general rule of thumb known as the “rule of threes”: for every three platforms you have, you can deploy one.


However, it is noted that this pattern is applicable to the army, the fleet and the Air Force. If this approach is violated, then in the long term, the disorganization of troops will increase due to delayed maintenance, lack of training, personnel fatigue, and so on.

For example, the Australian Navy currently has six Collins-class submarines. Two of them are undergoing major overhaul and modernization. Four submarines are in service, three of them are available for missions, and one submarine is available for short-term service. In this case, only two submarines should be sent to the mission, leaving one in reserve.

This particular case demonstrates the "rule of three": one piece of equipment is permanently out of order, one is ready for temporary combat missions, and one is capable of performing full service. Of course, if you build armada of ships, then you can neglect this postulate. But there are problems with armadas, including due to the volume of financial capabilities.

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  1. Al Asad
    Al Asad 6 November 2020 00: 26
    10
    Project 22350 frigates have been ordered so far 8 will be 9?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 6 November 2020 00: 49
      -8
      With all the bulk of the "rainbow" plans of the Russian Navy and in the near future, it will retain its "variety" beyond the scope of feasibility studies and common sense.
      1. Devil13
        Devil13 6 November 2020 00: 59
        10
        No, they seem to have returned to logic and are building (from large ones) 22350 + an upgrade based on them, 20380 and 20385. A trifle is generally unnecessary in an amicable way - dsmd has been canceled
        1. venik
          venik 6 November 2020 08: 53
          +7
          Quote: Devil13
          A trifle in general in an amicable way is now unnecessary - dsmd was canceled

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          Trifle - anyway will be needed! Such are our geographic conditions. You just need to observe the "pliportion" in everything!
        2. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 6 November 2020 17: 48
          -1
          ok .. little things are not necessary .. so we start up a few shipyards for scrap, and fire employees?
          1. Devil13
            Devil13 12 November 2020 12: 13
            -1
            What for? Let them release something larger, a citizen, or what, will we order for orders?
            We will do the fleet for the sake of the number of ships, as with patrolmen 22160, and then what will we fight?
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 12 November 2020 15: 36
              -1
              they wrote nonsense ... 1) shipyards have size and tonnage restrictions, so they won't be able to build something large, 2) transfer to civilian life ... ingenious ... let's put 30 warships down to a point, which in the next 10 years will be possible build for the sake of winning for civilians..and yes..you do not flush patrolmen down the toilet, but rocket ships ... and for a second..we have a "trifle" at the moment is the main carrier of Caliber, while "large" shipyards cannot be born at a normal pace ... so your proposal is pure sabotage
      2. infantryman2020
        infantryman2020 6 November 2020 08: 20
        +1
        The idea is formulated brilliantly!
        Also applicable to Ground Forces at least.
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 6 November 2020 20: 59
      +2
      There will be at least 15. In general, 30 is needed. But this is not immediately, but within a couple of decades. 22350 and 22350m will be the meat of our dmz fleet for a long time. There is no point in ordering more while all the bottlenecks are not embroidered and the slipways are busy.
    3. Angry
      Angry 7 November 2020 08: 14
      0
      Better 18 ....
  2. Lexus
    Lexus 6 November 2020 00: 28
    -6
    Of course, if you build armada of ships, then you can neglect this postulate.

    With regard to today's Russia, this should be considered in the context of fantasy.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 6 November 2020 02: 22
      27
      "Rule of three":
      The rule "for three" has not yet been canceled ... drinks
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 6 November 2020 02: 37
        +6
        Wow, the trees are already a bastard. Vladimir, my compliments! hi And consent. drinks
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 6 November 2020 03: 08
          +5
          Quote: lexus
          already a bastard

          Alexey hi Let's not break tradition ... drinks
      2. times
        times 6 November 2020 08: 12
        19
        No wonder they say: "God loves the Trinity" True, this is a little from another opera ...
        1. venik
          venik 6 November 2020 09: 00
          +2
          Quote: mal
          No wonder they say: "God loves the Trinity" True, this is a little from another opera ...

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          Um .... Actually, if you think about it recourse : "Saint Trinity"..." for three persons"..... Something all this somehow evokes vague suspicions .... There is something in all this!
          Okay - we're going to meet with friends tonight (just - threesome!). It will be necessary To discuss! wassat drinks
          1. Torins
            Torins 6 November 2020 19: 03
            +2
            Three could just throw in the 70s instead of lunch for a bottle. Hence the saying "figure out for three" hi
            1. venik
              venik 6 November 2020 20: 10
              0
              Quote: Torins
              Three could just throw in the 70s instead of lunch for a bottle. Hence the saying "figure out for three" hi

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              А two or four - COULD NOT?? what crying
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 7 November 2020 07: 11
                +2
                Quote: venik
                And two or four - COULD NOT ??

                For two and four there were 0,25 liters - they are the same: "checks", "rosary", "small", "cartoons", "bastards" ... And "ruble for lunch" was easily transformed into "figured out for three": 0,5 l (2 rubles 87 kopecks) + cheese friendship + sika ...
                1. venik
                  venik 7 November 2020 09: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  For two and four were 0,25 l - they are the same: "checkers", "rosary", "small", "cartoons", "bastards"...

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                  Sorry, Yuri Vasilievich! But the "bastard" is 100, not 0,25! In the days of the Union, it was a rarity! One funny story is connected with these "scoundrels". In the late 80s, I got to the All-Union conference, which was held in western Ukraine in the Carpathians, on the basis of some boarding house, near the town or village of Kosov (or Kosovo? - I don't remember exactly). And there was a young scientist from St. Petersburg at the conference, my good friend Pasha (I will not give his last name), a very talented person (by the age of 30 he was already a doctor of physical and mathematical sciences!), And just as original. So, on the very first day, Pasha was accidentally met at the entrance to the boarding house - he was cowardly with a backpack (he arrived at the conference, not with a suitcase or bag, namely with a huge tourist backpack !, which emitted a melodic tinkling at every step ..... To a logical question: "And what do you guys have in your backpacks?" - answered: "Guys! You have no idea! There, in the village, in a shop they sell" GREATS "! I haven't seen them for 100 years!" At the same time, I completely ignored remarks like: "And you are well preserved for such an old age!" And to questions like "WHAT are you taking your clothes back to St. Petersburg?" answered: "I'm afraid to Peter - NOT EVERYONE will reach!". And so it happened! - took a walk notably!
                  PS The delegation that went to the village shop the next day - came back with nothing ..... The local saleswoman said: "Yesterday there was some madman and bought up ALL the" scoundrels "that were!" lol
                  PPS Our physicists were good at walking !!!
  3. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 6 November 2020 02: 13
    -3
    Pashto Jews only count up to 6 ..
    1. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 6 November 2020 02: 14
      -2
      ha ha ha woh ho ho laughing
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 6 November 2020 05: 21
    -1
    Russia needs to go its own way and build at least 10 pennants in series, and ideally, with proper funding, order and build immediately for each fleet 15 pennants of the same type-series!
    1. venik
      venik 6 November 2020 09: 06
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      Russia needs to go its own way, and build a series of at least 10 pennants

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      Then 12 is better! After all, our divisions (ships of ranks 2, 3 and 4) usually consist of 6 pennants!
      1. Angry
        Angry 7 November 2020 08: 19
        +1
        Once I read it, as one military expert, explained that the composition of the brigade is optimal with 7 pennants. Then on the base station it is possible to keep not two, but three ships, a couple more - a pair on duty on the base station and a pair on the HTG. Most likely, this is how it is necessary to form connections.
  5. unhappy
    unhappy 6 November 2020 05: 47
    +2
    Under the tsar, three ships of the series were, as if it was connected with the capabilities of the shipyard in St. Petersburg.
  6. Zomanus
    Zomanus 6 November 2020 05: 54
    +2
    Well, in general, the rules. And taking into account all sorts of new products, it will allow to put these new items into operation in a fairly short time. And new items now mostly relate to electronics, which is developing very quickly.
  7. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 6 November 2020 08: 11
    +2
    The article is of course Friday) So it is possible about the number 4 (4 paratroopers 11711, corvettes 20380 and frigates 22350 ordered 4 each). 2 - patrol icebreakers 23550, corvettes 20385 and paratroopers 11711.
  8. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 6 November 2020 20: 24
    +3
    A strange assumption, I read in Doenitz's memoirs about the need to have submarines divisible by three, one on alert, one in the transition from the base to the place of combat duty, and one in the base for repair, I assume that if they order a series of six units of warships must apparently operate in pairs
    1. Eugene-Eugene
      6 November 2020 20: 38
      +2
      so it's just about the "holy three". Six is ​​two triplets with more operational freedom.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 7 November 2020 07: 17
        +1
        Quote: Eugene-Eugene
        so it's just about the "holy three".

        good Nuclear triad, "three-shift", "three days later", "three outfits out of turn", "three-line", "a man must do three things" ... But not enough?
        But common sense is this:
        Quote: CommanderDIVA
        A strange assumption, I read in Doenitz's memoirs about the need to have submarines divisible by three, one on alert, one in the transition from the base to the place of combat duty and one in the base for repair

        there!
  9. Korsar4
    Korsar4 7 November 2020 08: 00
    0
    Does this system work with children?
  10. aliev58
    aliev58 10 November 2020 15: 59
    +1
    Correctly! The basis of the universe is a triangle, a rigid figure!