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It must be done wisely "



Well, since our president personally chaired a meeting on the development of the space industry, we can safely conclude that everything there is more than sad. However, this is not a secret only for very patriotic gentlemen in the style of "Yes, we will show them all!"


Obviously, Putin is not so optimistic; here is enough of his phrase that it is necessary to intelligently set Russia's priorities in this area.

Vladimir Vladimirovich knows how to say so that you think for a long time what it means. And what does it mean - with the mind? Doesn't this mean that until now everything has been done in the space industry ...?


It looks like it.

Let me quote Putin.

“Our priorities are known - it is the improvement of our own space infrastructure, the build-up and qualitative improvement of the orbital constellation of spacecraft, the rhythmic continuation of manned programs, the creation of a promising line of rocket complexes. In general, an increase in the share of innovative space technology, products and services. "
Especially the service, right? After all, let's look at the situation soberly and honestly: nobody kicked Russia out of the space services market. Themselves in fact refused.

More precisely, they did not refuse, but ... just someone at Roscosmos, not a very professional, not very “smart” (this is according to Putin), decided that “it will do just that”. And the whole world will obediently stand in line for launching with the help of Russian (in fact, still Soviet) carrier rockets, and even without bargaining.

What was there about the trampoline, remember?


The world did not stand still, does not and will not stand. Putin understands this. But, alas, he has no opportunity to plug all the holes in the Russian state management of professionals. And therefore, a special meeting on the problems of the domestic space industry, which (industry) is 90% and consists of problems, I think, turned out to be very sad.

We are not just losing our positions in space exploration, we have lost them. As well as lost their earnings, and, moreover, very considerable. And, in theory, Roscosmos should have long ago thought about how to respond to the Americans and others, except for Rogozin's Twitter. Because Twitter is, of course, good, but the space industry is built not only by statements on social networks. More precisely, everyone except social networks.

And what, apart from Rogozin's threatening statements, do we have in the real present? What breakthrough steps could our space developers answer to Elon Musk?

To begin with, it is worth looking at the situation as a whole.

And to start from the moment the event happened that significantly changed the market for commercial launches. This, as you understand, is the creation and successful testing of the return stages of launch vehicles. Not Russian.


The "answer" in quotation marks from the Russian side was the funeral of the cheapest Zenit launch vehicle. With "Zenith" in general, a separate detective история, to which we will return shortly.

But in short, the Russian-American-Ukrainian enterprise Sea Launch, in which Boeing, RSC Energia, Yuzhmash and Yuzhnoye design bureau have invested, will build a sea spaceport in order to launch rockets from there.


The idea was just great, if not for a number of fundamental mistakes in financial calculations. The joint venture made several dozen successful launches in 2009 and ... nothing actually worked. The launches were stopped, and businessmen were mired in showdowns on the topic of "who is to blame and what to do with him."

As a result, Sea Launch was bought out and transferred to S7 Space in order to operate the floating cosmodrome for the benefit of Russia.


That is, as usual - nothing new, an old cosmodrome, an old rocket, new labels - and it's in the bag.

But we could not agree with the Ukrainians about Zenits. And "Sea Launch" was designed specifically for them. No rockets, no launches. From Roscosmos there was a fountain of ideas for using the Soyuz and Angara launch vehicles, but where is that Angara, but where is the Soyuz ...

Let me remind you that the first launch of the Soyuz took place on November 28, 1966.


Yes, of course, there were modernizations, but Soyuz has two very big drawbacks: it is an expensive launch vehicle, and most importantly, it takes a very long time to assemble. Alas. And these two disadvantages simply negate all the advantages, the main of which is simply excellent reliability.

Price per kilo


And then it makes sense to see "what is how much."

LV "Zenith": 3 - 500 dollars per 4 kg of cargo in orbit.
LV "Soyuz-2": 3 - 500 dollars per 10 kg of cargo, depending on the complexity.
Launch vehicle "Rokot" (RS-18): 15 dollars per 000 kg.

LV "Proton": $ 2 per 700 kg.

It is not for nothing that Proton stands alone. Alas, there is no place for this rocket either on the launch pad. And the point is not even that this rocket has been assembled all over Russia for a very long time, but that Proton has completely discredited itself in terms of reliability.

So, "Proton", "Union" and "Zenith" are real in the past, "Rokot" and "Angara" - somewhere in the unreal future. Alternatively, perhaps.

And what remains?

And Musk remains.


Elon Musk, whom we all made fun of, humored with such pleasure, this Musk proved that it is possible to put equipment into space both cheaper and much faster. Without waiting a year and a half in the queue for launch, and even with the real possibility of scattering cargo in the Middle Space.


SpaceX sets a price of $ 2 per kilogram for launch into low reference orbit and beats both Roscosmos and the European Space Agency. And in some projects, such as seeding the orbit with satellites of the Starlink project, when the launch of satellites can be called massive (700 satellites to date), the cost of putting 893 kg into low orbit turned out to be below 1 dollars.

Who is less?


Yes, many of us are counting on the fact that a new “miracle” is about to appear.weapon”That will sweep Musk out of the arena of commercial launches. Yes, we have some projects that may be able to change the situation as a whole. And this is not an "evergreen" Angara. This is a gas-fired "Cupid".

In general, "Amur" was born in Samara, in the bowels of the RCC "Progress", the contests seem to have won the Khrunichev State Research and Production Center named after Khrunichev and the private KB "Kosmokurs", but you know that in our country this does not mean anything at all.

The rocket runs on methane-oxygen steam, that is, it does not pollute the atmosphere. Cheap. Cheaper than "Falcon" is almost three times. So they say "sources close to ...". Displays, however, less cargo, 9-12 tons against almost 16 for the "Falcon". The average is a launch vehicle, its weight is less than that of the American one (360 tons versus 550), the rest can be calculated, but that's not even the point. And the fact that a real alternative and replacement for missiles from the 60s can be obtained.

"Sources" again claim that the premiere of "Cupid" will take place in 2026. If nothing like that happens.

We honestly admit that anything can happen here, so 6 years is not yet God knows how long.

But it is worth taking for granted that the guys and gentlemen from SpaceX did not sit still (unlike ours), and if we start from the first successful flight of Falcon (that is, 2006), then their head start is more than impressive. More than.

But the historical exercise "Catch up and overtake" is our entertainment. However, what was simple during the Soviet Union, forgive me, in today's Russia can only be seen in a dream. In a very pleasant dream.

Exactly where the lunar base, interplanetary spaceships and orbital stations are ... But what is there, here it would be to master a reusable rocket - it would be nice.

I vow and vote with both hands for Russia to remain (if it can) a space cab. Then, when money from the outside comes to the cashier of the space industry, there is at least a small, but a chance that not everything will be stolen. And as a result, we will receive not a half-spaceport of the Vostochny type, but a whole spaceport. Or an interplanetary program.

But for this, starts must get cheaper.

Reusable launch vehicles, new, more advanced ships, also reusable - that's the "tomorrow" of astronautics.

And we, forgive me, are all trying to make the long-dead nag of Soviet cosmonautics jump. Yes, everything, she died, just do not live so much. Soyuz and Proton are from the 60s of the last century, Zenit is younger, but from the 70s. The last century, in general.

And what about us in terms of reusability? And everything is the same. Yes, the reusable accelerator MRU "Baikal" was developed in due time, its mock-up (only mock-up) was even taken to the salon in Le Bourget in 2001, shouted to the whole world that here ... And that's all. And they forgot.

He just wasn't needed. Not needed at all. "Shuttles" then flew normally, and our "Soyuz" and even more so. And "Protons" did not confuse up and down. So more technologically advanced and (possibly) less expensive missiles were simply not needed. It is logical.

When the time came, they remembered about the developments on "Baikal", which were based on the work on "Buran". Not so long ago, in September of this year, the leadership of the Advanced Research Fund, which is directly controlled by the Government of the Russian Federation, made a statement that the first prototype of the Krylo-SV reversible upper stage will make its first test flight at the end of 2021.

Don't wait long. But there is nothing special to wait, because if this is the next step from the same "Baikal" (and 99% that this is exactly what it is, otherwise where does the speed come from?), Then alas, again the same 20th century and the Soviet legacy.

New ship


But let's not get bogged down in criticism, it is quite possible that the Wing modular system is what will allow in the future to create a reusable system for delivering people and cargo both to orbit and to other objects of the solar system.

And if there is a new system, accordingly, the new ship should become its object of application of forces. Still, we admit that the Soyuz lost to Musk's brainchild in terms of capacity.

A new ship ... Possible prospects for the transformation of the Zarya project into the Federation, and then into the Eagle ... Well, "this music will be eternal." The names change, the essence remains the same. Development has been going on for more than 11 years, but they have not advanced further than layouts.


The Argo truck is at about the same model level. So here you just need to wait for at least some results and draw conclusions from this. So far, apart from loud statements, nothing. So really, "when it flies, then we'll talk."

Unfortunately, a large bunch of beautiful words and promises more and more often results in a complete “nothing”. Alas, this is our reality. Mr. Rogozin can tell whatever he pleases, from an independent flight to the Moon and the construction of a lunar station to an independent flight to Venus.

Today there are a lot of projects and projects, but in fact Russia is losing even the role of a space cab.

But besides scientific work, there is also a military component. We need communication satellites, observers, repeaters and so on. We need a grid to control the same missiles, UAVs and submarines. But if you can cope with military orders at the very least, then with the rest ...

Russia's loss of its place in space transportation is sad. The money that previously allowed, in theory, to at least somehow engage in development, will now work for Musk. And they will work well, because during the era of irreplaceable "Unions" we have not been able to create anything new. It is difficult to say where the amounts that were poured in by those who flew on our ships went, but they went somewhere. And the result is not visible.

Perhaps, instead of the Roskosmos center in Moscow, something else needs to be built?

The most negative thing is that we have absolutely no time to react. I understand why Putin calls for the open use of brains. That is why: there is really no time.

If last year Russia was still in second place in the world after China with 22 successful launches (21,6% of the market), then this year it is already the third with 12 launches (14,1%).

How much time do we have? Different experts give different numbers. Pessimists say no more than 5 years. This is completely sad, because in 5 years a cheap medium is unlikely to appear, I don't even want to talk about the rest.

Optimists stop at 10 years. And here I would like to doubt that Musk and the company will give us so much.

The space transportation market is a very fat piece. And a successful businessman who grabbed his teeth with his teeth won't let him go just like that. And Elon Musk is a very successful businessman.

Yes, we have a small chance to keep our place at the table and even regain what we lost. But for this, as Putin said, it is really necessary to take up and approach wisely the implementation of programs for the development of new promising space technology.

But with this, there can be very big problems.
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 9 November 2020 05: 54
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    Yes, we have a small chance to keep our place at the table and even regain what we lost. But for this, as Putin said, it is really necessary to take up and approach wisely the implementation of programs for the development of new promising space technology.

    But with this, there can be very big problems.
    that is, Putin, for all 20 years or more, did not see any problems and suddenly he saw the light? oh well ... got out a talking shop.
    1. mark1
      mark1 9 November 2020 06: 14
      19
      That's right - for 20 years the industry has been rotten, squeezed juice from old reserves, funding was cut, new ones were not developed, so they sat down on the "hedgehog." , will find someone to ask
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 9 November 2020 06: 28
        15
        That's right - for 20 years the industry has been rotting, squeezing the juice out of the old reserves, cutting funding, not developing new ones, so they sat down on the "hedgehog".
        ..But we have the most nuclear power plants and the icebreakers are the most icebreakers ... In the field of ballet, the same positions are not the same ... smile
        1. Pilot
          Pilot 9 November 2020 07: 21
          +7
          You talk about our ballet, everything is at the highest level, take a look at the first photo - some ballet dancers. And the choreographer even personally performed in Swan Lake in the summer. The whole world was surprised, and you say .. laughing
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 9 November 2020 09: 57
            34
            Several years ago, here, as soon as the "patriotic" fellow citizens did not joke about the Mask ... Now, in the end, there is no laughing matter.
            And the train must have gone completely. Well, I no longer believe in jerks and breakthroughs of our managers led by zero.

            Now the same rake with hypersound. All the same iconic hype that the Americans say they can't catch up with. Although even the creator of cartoons never doubted this, calling the timing of the backlog of the Americans at about 10 years. But the reality seems to be even harsher. Judging by the latest news, I shouldn't be surprised that the Americans will succeed earlier. Moreover, they will not only catch up, but also leave behind. By the number of carriers, for sure.

            And now, especially for offended fellow citizens, I ask you to switch to righteous minus. Restore your mental balance.
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 9 November 2020 16: 04
              +3
              Quote: Stas157
              And the train must have gone completely.

              By the way, about the train ... Hyperloop was tested with passengers today.
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        2. Grandfather
          Grandfather 9 November 2020 07: 48
          10
          Quote: parusnik
          Here in the field of ballet, the same positions are not the same ...

          yes .... "swan lake" ... haven't seen it for a long time.
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 9 November 2020 08: 27
            +6
            Quote: Dead Day
            Quote: parusnik
            Here in the field of ballet, the same positions are not the same ...

            yes .... "swan lake" ... haven't seen it for a long time.

            Maybe we'll see more?
          2. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 9 November 2020 15: 58
            +7
            This is my favorite TV show too. Can not wait.
      2. Cosm22
        Cosm22 9 November 2020 10: 47
        14
        For 20 years they simply boasted and rested on their laurels, taking advantage of the Soviet legacy and the fact that in the United States the Space Shuttle program was curtailed after the construction of the ISS.
        At a time when the world was moving forward with confident steps (the same China, for example), when foreign private companies, fearing nothing, undertook the development of new carriers, engines and spacecraft, Roskosmos relied only on magic phrases "where are they without us will disappear, without our RD-180 "and" they will fly on trampolines. "
        It turns out to be gone. The private owner Musk alone laid the entire national state astronautics on the blades. Play. In just a few years. In record time. While the Rogozins were building administrative centers, the Vostochny ones were unfinished and new plastic products were renamed.
        Result?
        Russia today is on the sidelines of world cosmonautics.
        The current statistics of this year's launches for today are the United States and China, 33 each, Russia only 12.
        And this situation will only get worse every day. For the world cosmonautics does not stand still, it goes forward.
        By the way, the assembly of a booster for Starship - Super Heavy SN 1 has already begun in Texas.
        There is no need to talk about the rest of Musk's projects. Reusability, inconceivable launch turnover, new technologies, new launch vehicles, spacecraft engines, engines - this is already a routine.
        Not for everyone, really. For some, this is still a pipe dream.
        1. Varyag71
          Varyag71 10 November 2020 12: 52
          +5
          The aviation industry is already on the sidelines.
        2. shahor
          shahor 10 November 2020 12: 58
          +3
          Quote: Cosm22
          While the Rogozins were building administrative centers, the Vostochny ones were under construction and new plastic products were renamed.

          You are biased and biased! Roscosmos is successfully fulfilling the instructions of the President and has achieved obvious success in space exploration! Go to the Roskosmos website - there is a section with songs by Rogozin and his wife about the successful development of funds (set aside) the development of the comic space by Roscosmos! A reasonable question arises - where are Musk's songs? But no! We are ahead!
      3. Not_invented
        Not_invented 9 November 2020 12: 28
        14
        For 10 years out of these 20, the industry was the world monopoly on manned launches and had ~ 70% of cargo launches, as stated in the article. So there is no need, please, to justify Roskosmos by the fact that someone did not give them money. They had the money. A lot of. And the results are zero.
        1. mark1
          mark1 9 November 2020 15: 12
          +3
          Quote: Not_invented
          So there is no need, please, to justify Roskosmos by the fact that someone did not give them money.



          This is not at all about this, but about the personal responsibility of the really involved people.
          But the financing of projects (especially for heavyweights and MCC) cannot be carried out by horsemen alone, this is a state task.
      4. aglet
        aglet 10 November 2020 10: 55
        +1
        "Those who should be asked in full for one reason or another are not available"
        in order for Roscosmos to successfully live and develop, it, like everyone else, should be managed by responsible specialists, and not by "general educators" close to the body. but, unfortunately, it is this very body that decides who will steer what, or rather, who will feed on what
    2. Civil
      Civil 9 November 2020 07: 28
      16
      It's all the con man Musk is to blame. Rogozin boh of cosmonautics.
      1. Pilot
        Pilot 9 November 2020 07: 47
        +4
        Quote: Civil
        Rogozin boh of cosmonautics.
        laughing
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 9 November 2020 07: 43
      12
      One specialist from Yakutia told him about the affairs in Roscosmos ...
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 9 November 2020 07: 46
        +3
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        one specialist from Yakutia suggested to him ...

        this is not a rocket ... this is ... HE. repeat
        1. astepanov
          astepanov 9 November 2020 09: 52
          28
          Is it just astronautics? This is a systemic problem. 12 years after the Great Patriotic War, in a devastated country, they launched the first satellite, and before that - just four years after the war - they tested an atomic bomb. Thirty years have passed since the beginning of "perestroika" and "acceleration", and the result is only that in all positions we are lagging behind, lagging behind ... Was it not clear to anyone that Rogozin was just a careerist? The mere fact that this person never had anything to do with technology, but mysteriously became a doctor of technical sciences, suggests that everything has rotted in our country. A venal VAK, venal opponents on defense (if there was one) ... I would not be surprised if it turns out that Rogozin believes that the laws of nature are approved by parliament. But are his predecessors in this post, those from the post-Soviet times, any better? Theft, theft - and zero results. And so - everywhere: in the civil aircraft industry, in machine tool building, in the production of components for radio electronics ...
          Before you had to think. Now - that's it: the mother-in-law is dead, there will be no pancakes.
          1. Falcon5555
            Falcon5555 9 November 2020 15: 51
            +1
            I would not be surprised if it turns out that Rogozin believes that the laws of nature are approved by parliament.
            I suspect that this is part of the "professional deformation" of those who are lawyers by their main specialty - to think that as they write in the law, it will be so in general, and even in nature. Even if he is not a lawyer, but does not meet with resistance for a long time, it may seem that as I say or write, it will be so. Rogozin is a journalist by profession. Perhaps it seems to him that the laws of nature are approved by the TV, but he hides it. smile
          2. Hypertension
            Hypertension 9 November 2020 16: 00
            +8
            Quote: astepanov
            12 years after the Great Patriotic War, in a devastated country, they launched the first satellite, and before that - just four years after the war - they tested an atomic bomb.

            There were no such national feats before and will never be. Not people then lived in the USSR - the Titans!
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 November 2020 13: 19
        +3
        And his rocket turned out even better than that of the entire Roscosmos.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 9 November 2020 06: 03
    +6
    "Again the last train ran away from me, and I on the sleepers, again on the sleepers go home out of habit. And there is silence around, but not a soul around, only the tired rails groan .." (c)
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 9 November 2020 08: 56
      +6
      Quote: parusnik
      "Again the last train ran away from me, and I on the sleepers, again on the sleepers go home out of habit. And there is silence around, but not a soul around, only the tired rails groan .." (c)


      "He drove away
      On the night train.
      I didn't want to go
      But the testicles were pinched. "
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 10 November 2020 03: 19
      +5
      Alex, welcome! hi
      "The speed has never killed anyone, the sudden stop ... that's what kills." (FROM)
  3. Bastinda
    Bastinda 9 November 2020 06: 19
    40
    I understand why Putin calls for the open use of brains. That is why: there is really no time.

    There are really no brains either ... No working hands. There are no machines. There is no elementary base. There are no training and control systems either!
    But there is an eternal president.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 9 November 2020 06: 25
      12
      But there is an eternal president.
      It's just heaps smile
      1. astepanov
        astepanov 9 November 2020 09: 54
        +3
        The king is made by the retinue. At least someone put on the presidency, the oligarchy will rule - both open and shadow. They have been building their system for three decades, and now it is strong.
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 10 November 2020 03: 20
        +2
        Somewhere lying around. smile
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 9 November 2020 06: 26
      14
      Quote: Bastinda
      But there is an eternal president.

      resets everything around ...
    3. forest1
      forest1 9 November 2020 06: 52
      +6
      Quote: Bastinda
      There is no elementary base.

      Why do we need an elementary base when there is a military base and more than one? They won't come up with anything more elementary than a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
      "We don't need Kants and Laplaces, but we need stripes and edging."
    4. Per se.
      Per se. 9 November 2020 07: 41
      19
      Quote: Bastinda
      But there is
      There is also religion, only thanks to it rockets take off, I suppose. I wonder what Yuri Gagarin would say now ...
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 9 November 2020 12: 34
        24
        Quote: Per se.
        I wonder what Yuri Gagarin would say now ...

        Arrived!
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    6. Varyag71
      Varyag71 10 November 2020 12: 58
      +2
      As they said, there will be no Putin, there will be no Russia. wassat
  4. rudolff
    rudolff 9 November 2020 06: 29
    36
    "... there is enough of his one phrase about the need to set the priorities of Russia wisely ..."
    This phrase should be addressed, first of all, to Putin himself, who appointed amateurs to key positions, and now he is kind of surprised that even those industries where we stood firmly on our feet even after the 90s are degrading. Putin is the gravedigger of Russian cosmonautics.
    1. depressant
      depressant 9 November 2020 08: 40
      17
      Yeah. When a golden rain fell on Russia in the 10s, trillions of currency were exported to offshore - who is to blame? And the titanic paper plans for space kutse focused on Vostochny, proceeding from the fact that Russia as a cab to a low orbit has no competitors. Meanwhile, the world has received a cabman Musk during this time, now huge sobs - "Lagged behind!" Rogozin at the meeting begs for at least 40 million rubles, they say, by 2021 we will make up a plan that requires spending in the future 1,5 trillion rubles - you will lick your fingers! Orbit, Moon, Mars ... But who will give him even 40 million now, even though he can, like his overlord, make up titanic plans - besides that, he can do anything else? They both know how to make up anything other than huge plans?
      In the battle of paper plans inside the government, the economy is bogged down and collapsed. In a feverish change of plans in Roskosmos, Russian space is bogged down and bent. And now Putin and Rogozin are looking at each other in bewilderment, shaking piles of paper plans, each one unfulfilled by his own, and want something unrealizable from each other. Schizophrenia. But investigations and landings along Vostochny are proceeding regularly. Rejoice in this? Is this a job?
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 9 November 2020 08: 57
      +8
      Quote: rudolff
      "... there is enough of his one phrase about the need to set the priorities of Russia wisely ..."
      This phrase should be addressed, first of all, to Putin himself, who appointed amateurs to key positions, and now he is kind of surprised that even those industries where we stood firmly on our feet even after the 90s are degrading. Putin is the gravedigger of Russian cosmonautics.


      The phrase was late. For twenty years. And not only for the space industry.
    3. Lexus
      Lexus 10 November 2020 03: 24
      +8
      Rudolph, hello! hi
      He is a "worthy" student of his traitorous mentors.
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 10 November 2020 09: 28
        +4
        I also think that it is foolish to oppose Putin to Yeltsin. One pier is a destroyer, the second is a creator. The essence is the same, only the wrapper is different. Sobchak also asks to them before the company, the main ideological inspirer of the "new Russia".
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 10 November 2020 16: 22
          +4
          It remains for the loyalty of those who remain in that "company" to "carry out" as soon as possible.
  5. Free wind
    Free wind 9 November 2020 06: 29
    +6
    And where to get the mind, he ended with us. When Musk was looking for where to build a Tesla plant, ours politely hinted that it could be built here, Musk no less politely hinted, jump on the trampolines. the factory was built in china.
    1. depressant
      depressant 9 November 2020 09: 14
      10
      Colleague Free Wind, why does the Mask need us ourselves? He took our idea for a rocket on gas, and let's say goodbye! Rogozin woke up - let's go "Cupid", eh?
      Yes, the reusable methane rocket is capable of carrying a serious payload under the fairing, the launch is three times cheaper than the usual market cost - only $ 22 million. But Rogozin only shows a picture of "Cupid", while Ilona Mask's Falcon 9 is already flying, everything has long been embodied overseas, since 2013 a reusable Raptor methane engine has been created and has been successfully tested! And even Amazon owner Jeff Bezos, a very serious guy, took up the creation of a natural gas engine, namely BE-4 - that's who Musk's competitor is! I have no doubt Bezos will create, he is so stubborn and extremely monetary.

      Rogozin is not a competitor to these two and even to others who will soon catch up or are already catching up to the problem.
      Why is this with Rogozin?
      Because, according to experts, his plans are not technical, but political. I don’t know how about stealing (my God, how it sounds especially disgusting when it comes to space), but Rogozin’s main task is to stay in the workplace with the inability and unwillingness to keep middle-aged specialists in the workplace, that is, those who has gained experience and wants a decent wage.
      1. aglet
        aglet 10 November 2020 11: 03
        +3
        "Why does Musk need us ourselves? He took our idea for a gas rocket"
        And what, Roscosmos patented this idea? she's been in the air for 40 years already, who can - do it! mask-could, rogozin-no
        1. depressant
          depressant 10 November 2020 11: 13
          +2
          Colleague, you are right! love
          What cannot be written in the heat of touchy patriotism! )))
          I really want to go to the moon, to Mars ...
          Oh no, not personally. I am no longer one of those who are able to put on a spacesuit and sit at the interplanetary control panel. But I am still one of those in whom the dream of such flights is indestructible. And it will be fine for me if our people and our equipment are adequately represented in the program for the development of Middle Space)))
  6. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 9 November 2020 06: 35
    12
    They saw that the forests were being plundered, now they saw astronautics ... Has your eyesight improved in old age? Or the logs in the eye have grown so much that it is impossible not to notice? The whole forest has already grown of such logs. Further, it only begs that the censorship will not let it through.
    1. Kart
      Kart 9 November 2020 09: 10
      -15 qualifying.
      The opportunity has appeared.
      As you know, it appears not from the loudness of the cries of individual citizens about us, but from other reasons.
    2. depressant
      depressant 9 November 2020 09: 17
      10
      The throne staggered. Despite legislative props.
    3. Lexus
      Lexus 10 November 2020 03: 34
      +1
      Michael hi,
      the expressed concern is another "gnawed bone" thrown by the "scraping believer".
  7. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 9 November 2020 06: 38
    +2
    "Without swinging ..."
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 10 November 2020 03: 37
      0
      With imitation of "pumping" ...
  8. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 9 November 2020 06: 40
    -3
    Thank you, Roman!
    Yes, we have a small chance to keep our place at the table and even regain what we lost. But for this you really need, as Putin said, take it and walk up wisely to the implementation of programs for the development of new advanced space technology.

    Well noticed. Let it be bitter to read such articles, but, at least, they inspire hope that there are restless people in the country, there are restless citizens, which means that not everything is lost.
    Now, with regard to the development of Russian space and Roscosmos in particular. Here, as the situation shows, there is no plowed field for activity. It was either out of idleness, or out of stupidity, it was decided in Moscow to build a center for Rogozin. And you noted correctly:
    Perhaps, instead of the Roskosmos center in Moscow, something else needs to be built?

    Is it possible that instead of fireworks in Moscow and St. Petersburg to launch something more significant from the "Vostochny" or Plesetsk, or from the "sea launch"?
    I am here, remembering the economy, came across information about the regional budget for 2020.
    Moscow, St. Petersburg, Moscow Region, Krasnodar Territory and Tatarstan are traditionally leading in terms of budget revenues. It is also noteworthy that Moscow's revenues in 2020 will amount to 2,8 trillion rubles, budget revenues of all other constituent entities of the Russian Federation combined - 9,3 trillion rubles.


    Although, what a misfortune is that people in the center want to live beautifully. Here it is more important to know - at whose expense? And just here there is a table with designations; red circle (subsidized), green - "leader", blue - neither ours nor yours:
    And from the entire list, it should be noted that only 15% of regions live with a surplus in the budget, and almost 70% stand with outstretched hands.
    One could go to the place and figure out in detail: who is there "who", but there is no time and ...
    Russian President Vladimir Putin believes that there are "many tough guys" in the North Caucasus. He expressed this opinion on Monday during a video link with participants in the All-Russian competition for schoolchildren "Big Break".

    It is in this region that the development of space programs and adolescent modeling has become widespread.
    At the same time, Putin added that the entire North Caucasus is "very interesting places, very beautiful traditions, wonderful routes." “This is something that our whole country can be proud of,” he is sure.

    It is precisely this, precisely in the present, current moment, that one should be proud of interesting places in the North Caucasus, because in Siberia and the Far East there were no such places, and they were, they will soon disappear.
    Although, why is it so sad? The Vostochny cosmodrome lives and flourishes, despite the planned construction of a Roscosmos center in Moscow ...
    hi
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 9 November 2020 08: 59
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Let it be bitter to read such articles, but, at least, they inspire hope that there are restless people in the country, there are restless citizens, which means that not everything is lost.


      What???!!!
    2. Backbone
      Backbone 14 November 2020 18: 24
      0
      Why invest in a joint project with the Kazakhs at their Baikonur? Cut too?
  9. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 9 November 2020 07: 40
    21
    It seems that Putin began to suspect that there is actually no Russian base on the Moon, built in 2015 ...))
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 9 November 2020 09: 01
      -3
      Quote: From Tomsk
      It seems that Putin began to suspect that there is actually no Russian base on the Moon, built in 2015 ...))


      The Orange Folder material suggests otherwise.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 9 November 2020 09: 49
      +7
      When he stops being president and steps out of the bunker, he will discover many new things ... lol
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 10 November 2020 03: 48
        +1
        Yuri hi,
        if this happens, it will go into "unconsciousness" and give out its duty "Who did it?"
  10. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 9 November 2020 07: 59
    +4
    Yes, we have a small chance to keep our place at the table and even regain what we lost. But for this, as Putin said, it is really necessary to take up and approach wisely the implementation of programs for the development of new promising space technology.
    .... There is no time to swing .. smile
  11. Alex66
    Alex66 9 November 2020 08: 12
    -3
    Everything seems to be simple - you give those tasks for a rocket or a ship, announce a competition, sign a tough contract with the winner: ... either a chest in crosses or a head in bushes! Then there will be a result, and if no one wants to be responsible for anything, even Putin (the law in the Duma on irresponsibility), then there will be no result.
  12. Foxmara
    Foxmara 9 November 2020 08: 14
    -19 qualifying.
    The plaster is removed, the client leaves. The author is infinitely far from space. I would say that he is not at all in the subject of everything that goes beyond the scope of the wiki, and then only from the perspective of the article description, he did not try to look somewhere further. After the phrase "So," Proton "," Union "and" Zenith "are real in the past." Zenith, of course, died along with the country of manufacture after the nits revolution, but to bury the Union is too much. Today, this is the best thing for launching HUMANS into near space. Musk still has a long way to go to prove that his brainchild is no worse.

    We do not have specialists simply because we cannot grow them quickly. In the 90s, people left who had worked in the field for decades, who had experience, fired up to half of the staff, because there was nothing to pay, they survived at the expense of the Chinese, French and Indians. Now new buildings, spaceports are being built, specialists are being raised, but this is the time. We do not have a surplus like in the American market, it was, but it came out. Incl. in that direction.
    Each country develops "its" space, simply because it is a strategic direction, technologies are not shared even with allies. Russia became a cabby as a result of the illiterate policy of the United States in this area, smart people could say that it would not last forever, a superpower that cannot send people into space itself and buying seats from a competitor is wildness, and it’s only strange that it continued so long. How many delays and transfers were - the author can calculate independently. Which, of course, could not but cause ridicule, despite the fact that they did not forget to troll us and this is to some extent a reciprocal trolling.
    So do not shed crocodile tears over the loss of seats in the American unions. Woman with a cart - less manure. Even if it costs more, and real calculations show that this is so - they will still fly with their own - this is an image, while not forgetting to lie that it is cheaper.
    Here we see an example of that strange thinking that should have already been eliminated, but it is still there. When everything that we have is bad, and everything that is there is excellent. A sort of pseudo-patriotism. They say - let's do better, although no, this is not about us, we only slurp cabbage soup, let's kill ourselves around the corner, after all, nothing will come of it.
    I can say offhand that we had and are planning to launch telescopes, and, the largest telescope in orbit now is ours, I'm afraid this may cause a break in the template for the author. And this despite the fact that I am not a specialist in space, just a reader like that.
    It can be added that the method of landing at sea and in the taiga cannot be the same, that is, we have slightly different conditions, however, back in the USSR we had developments on landing modules as cruise missiles, perhaps we will return to this. Any research in this industry takes years and it is impossible to make a leap, the same Musk has been developing his programs using only known technologies for decades. Indeed, there is no visible technological breakthrough, but there is a successful application of what was already known. It is strangely true that Musk decided to use the Soviet method of launching - the rocket goes to the start while lying down and rises only there, all American missiles are built vertically. This is a completely different school, because completely different loads. There are suspicions that some of the technologies of the USSR (possibly through Boeing) flowed there in the 90s. Then there were joint projects, and the friendship went off scale so that they could give something else from the master's shoulder. There was one really good article with an analysis of Musk's achievements, without trolling and yelling "glory to Jay", and this is .. hmm .. even to the end to read too lazy.
    1. depressant
      depressant 9 November 2020 09: 29
      -8
      Colleague Foxmara, your pain is understandable and sympathetic. But you also take a step back and sympathize with the pains of those who know how Musk was wiping out here, how the Americans took out technical documentation from Samara by trucks, then they razed one of the factories to the ground, and then in 2013 American developments, as if from nowhere, begin by Falcon. Whereas "Cupid" is only being offered. Are the developers of the source alive?
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 9 November 2020 15: 07
        +9
        No, they didn’t rip anything off and didn’t take it out by trucks. They just started development and brought it to fruition. Stop pushing your failures to the intrigues of enemies, it hurts, distracting from solving real, and not fictitious problems.
      2. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 14 November 2020 13: 00
        +1
        Quote: depressant
        then, in 2013, American developments on Falcon began, as it were, from nowhere


        In 2013, Falcon was already flying with a payload.
    2. parma
      parma 9 November 2020 10: 03
      16
      Quote: Foxmara
      The plaster is removed, the client leaves. The author is infinitely far from space. I would say that he is not at all in the subject of everything that goes beyond the scope of the wiki, and then only from the perspective of the article description, he did not try to look somewhere further. After the phrase "So," Proton "," Union "and" Zenith "are real in the past." Zenith, of course, died along with the country of manufacture after the nits revolution, but to bury the Union is too much. Today, this is the best thing for launching HUMANS into near space. Musk still has a long way to go to prove that his brainchild is no worse.

      We do not have specialists simply because we cannot grow them quickly. In the 90s, people left who had worked in the field for decades, who had experience, fired up to half of the staff, because there was nothing to pay, they survived at the expense of the Chinese, French and Indians. Now new buildings, spaceports are being built, specialists are being raised, but this is the time. We do not have a surplus like in the American market, it was, but it came out. Incl. in that direction.
      Each country develops "its" space, simply because it is a strategic direction, technologies are not shared even with allies. Russia became a cabby as a result of the illiterate policy of the United States in this area, smart people could say that it would not last forever, a superpower that cannot send people into space itself and buying seats from a competitor is wildness, and it’s only strange that it continued so long. How many delays and transfers were - the author can calculate independently. Which, of course, could not but cause ridicule, despite the fact that they did not forget to troll us and this is to some extent a reciprocal trolling.
      So do not shed crocodile tears over the loss of seats in the American unions. Woman with a cart - less manure. Even if it costs more, and real calculations show that this is so - they will still fly with their own - this is an image, while not forgetting to lie that it is cheaper.
      Here we see an example of that strange thinking that should have already been eliminated, but it is still there. When everything that we have is bad, and everything that is there is excellent. A sort of pseudo-patriotism. They say - let's do better, although no, this is not about us, we only slurp cabbage soup, let's kill ourselves around the corner, after all, nothing will come of it.
      I can say offhand that we had and are planning to launch telescopes, and, the largest telescope in orbit now is ours, I'm afraid this may cause a break in the template for the author. And this despite the fact that I am not a specialist in space, just a reader like that.
      It can be added that the method of landing at sea and in the taiga cannot be the same, that is, we have slightly different conditions, however, back in the USSR we had developments on landing modules as cruise missiles, perhaps we will return to this. Any research in this industry takes years and it is impossible to make a leap, the same Musk has been developing his programs using only known technologies for decades. Indeed, there is no visible technological breakthrough, but there is a successful application of what was already known. It is strangely true that Musk decided to use the Soviet method of launching - the rocket goes to the start while lying down and rises only there, all American missiles are built vertically. This is a completely different school, because completely different loads. There are suspicions that some of the technologies of the USSR (possibly through Boeing) flowed there in the 90s. Then there were joint projects, and the friendship went off scale so that they could give something else from the master's shoulder. There was one really good article with an analysis of Musk's achievements, without trolling and yelling "glory to Jay", and this is .. hmm .. even to the end to read too lazy.

      And you are apparently incredibly close to space ... You say there are no personnel, but they need time and money .. We did not have time or money for development? Remind me when the shuttle stopped flying and the Americans queued up for us to fly? Remind me how much they paid? We had enough time and money (if there was not enough money from the Americans for flights, then there were very fat oil years ..), but everything was flushed down the toilet .. while the Americans were carrying double costs, developing their rockets and flying into space, we we did not conduct real developments (we will not say anything about dead projects with constant renaming of these), we organized enchanting Olympiads and world football championships, we built huge yachts-record holders in size and wealth, we took money to offshore companies .. or rather not us, but those who lead .. now, when the fat years have passed, the leadership (albeit named) is over, and the degree of patriotic intoxication in all media is heated to the limit, these very people (who held competitions and rode boats) need to say something, that's begins - resources were stolen from us, the country was ruined in the 90s (wake up, 30 years have passed! In the union, in about the same period, they managed to win the war, which now so uninvolved boast about, and fly into space from scratch!), but we who stole all the elders and their offspring, now we will catch up and overtake, and in general they all lie! And they have not been to the moon and do not fly into space .. straight sur on the plot of some kind of 1984 ..
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 9 November 2020 10: 04
      +2
      Quote: Foxmara
      The author is infinitely far from space. I would say that he is not at all in the subject of everything that goes beyond the scope of the wiki, and then only from the perspective of the article description, he did not try to look somewhere further.

      Judging by the comments, you are a clear docker in space matters (or Roskosmos). As I read your message, tears of joy drip onto the keyboard from the abundance of numbers with a comparative analysis of launches (USA, China, Russia, etc.), from the programs completed in development (budget funds ??? belay )
      Come on, move from bravura goodwill to arguments and facts. Please the ignorant public with the novelty of the customs of Roscosmos officials and the inadequacy of approaches to solving a general strategy for the development of SPACE. Or do you also think that the main thing is plans and prospects, and the “honorable” third place is a well-deserved assessment of the work of the leadership (or remember, how in Ukraine? repeat )
      Explode a barrage of non-classified information so that we don't think that the words of one hundred and fifty years ago:
      In all countries, railways are used for movement, and in our country, moreover, for theft.

      They began to sound in a new way:
      "If earlier in Russia railways were used for theft, today Roskosmos also serves it."
      hi
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 9 November 2020 10: 21
      +8
      1) Piloted places are pennies. The main problem is the loss of payload. For example, in 2020, as many as 2 missiles were launched in the interests of a foreign customer for foreign currency. In 2013 - 11. This is where the main monetary damage. Plus, then it was possible to break prices and break them. And now we have to squeeze, almost zero profit.
      Roscosmos will cut prices for launch services by more than 30%, said the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin at a meeting chaired by President Vladimir Putin.

      2) Right, only you forgot to mention - an X-ray telescope, not a telescope in general. There are many types of them. Optical is still Hubble. And when James Webb flies, if it decomposes, it will become the largest and best IR telescope in history. Well, if we return to the Spectrum, then it has 2 main instruments.

      7 mirrors with sensitivity from 0,2 to 10, which makes this telescope so accurate and sensitive, is called Rosita, it was produced at the Planck Institute in Germany by a large international European team.

      The small one was made at the Russian Academy of Sciences and the nuclear center - it has a sensitivity of 5-30. This is in Russia, and even then not completely, for example, the lenses were made in the Marshal Center (USA).

      3) Musk's main achievement, which he showed, is to actually make a rocket and earn money. Along the way, he destroyed business plans, not only for Roskosmos, but also for his ULA - which, by the way, everyone for some reason forgets about. The epic rocket consortium lives off the sale of rockets at $ 220-420 million apiece to the home government. There are no other Buratin. And if the government stops buying Deltas, ULA will go bankrupt. And they are now, stung in the ass, are intensively making Vulcan Centaurus on methane and with a good economy.

      Along the way, various commercial companies and startups began to take off around the world. Many with the goal of raising money and leaving for the sunset, but many are really moving the industry forward. Now, I personally note Relavity - with their approach, meat bags are superfluous in production, thank the Robots. No one has yet made a rocket, engines and all the components initially for 3D printing and robotic assembly methods. They relied on this and built an economic model, precisely on the basis that a small enterprise (about 500 people, together with the launch team) will issue a new rocket every 60 days. Without Musk, no one would have given the starting money for this project. And after Musk, they very quickly found investors and are working.

      1. BAI
        BAI 9 November 2020 15: 08
        0
        2) Right, only you forgot to mention - an X-ray telescope, not a telescope in general

        Actually, we are talking about a radio telescope.

        Russian Radioastron allows to obtain the highest angular resolution in the entire history of astronomy - 21 microseconds of an arc. A space radio telescope with a receiving parabolic antenna 10 meters in diameter was launched on July 18, 2011 by a Zenit-3SLBF carrier rocket into the high apogee orbit of an Earth satellite up to 340 thousand km high as part of the Spektr-R spacecraft. It is the world's largest space telescope, which was noted in the Guinness Book of Records.
        But in general, this is an international project with leading Russian participation. Russia's participation is undoubtedly. Note the semi-disassembled computer with a CRT monitor in the lower left corner. And, judging by all, one more system unit is in the bag under the table. This is ours! In a heroic way!
    5. Cosm22
      Cosm22 9 November 2020 14: 46
      11
      To a specialist who is apparently infinitely close to space, Mr. Foxmara.

      1. "We do not have specialists simply because we cannot grow them quickly."
      Did anyone grow them at all? Has anyone ever asked such a goal?
      None! For - why? If we have the best Unions and engines in the world? Right? So today Russia is sitting at a broken trough.
      Why was Musk not fast, but super fast able to grow and select a great team of scientists, designers, logisticians, operators? Because a person was engaged in business, and not in chatter, verbiage and resting on laurels, proud of past achievements. Another country, by the way.
      Who prevented Russia from doing the same? A state corporation with immeasurably better starting conditions, possessing incomparably great finances and technological know-how?
      2. List all Musk programs that use ONLY known technologies (you must understand, Soviet-Russian?). Maybe this is the ideal arrangement of the steps of the same "nine"? Maybe someone in Russia realized that there is no need to tie a bunch of sausages at the first stage to bring the PN to LEO?
      Could this be a mastered reusable propulsion stage?
      Or did MKSK copy the KK Soyuz tin can instead of making a convenient and comfortable Dragon?
      Or has Russia gotten away with the idea of ​​a closed-cycle Raptor methane engine with full gasification of fuel components?
      Or has Russia already implemented something similar to the Starlink project?
      Or is Russia beginning to at least understand what the Starship project is?
      And what "decades" did Musk, Mr. Space Specialist, develop his projects? Do we understand the difference between plural and singular?
      The SpaceX company was founded in 2002. It turns out already only one decade and a half. During this time, a universal reusable "nine" was made. The reusable heavyweight Falcon Heavy, the unique Raptor engine, the space Internet constellation have also been made; the absolutely fantastic Starship project is under testing.
      What can Russia boast of against the background of all this? For two decades? The fact that still exploits the royal "seven" (which really shows some features of the brainchild of Wernher von Braun)?
      What did Musk steal? Oh yes ... the "Soviet" method of delivering missiles to the launch site. What can I say ... Maybe for a start, ask about the meaning of the term "logistics"?
      By the way, where it is profitable, the assembly and delivery method changes. With the construction of a new 81-meter hangar, the HighBay Super Heavy SN 1 is being assembled vertically. The work was carried out in the same way in the hangars above Starship SN9-11. Up to the installation of the "wings".
    6. military_cat
      military_cat 9 November 2020 15: 01
      +4
      Quote: Foxmara
      Musk still has a long way to go to prove that his brainchild is no worse.
      Are we going to tell him that his proofs do not prove anything, and let him present real proofs?
  13. Nix1986
    Nix1986 9 November 2020 08: 24
    +1
    The vertical of power by its confidants is good, the only bad thing is that these confidants do not always correspond to their posts. Maybe it's worth changing the priorities here? wink
    1. Kart
      Kart 9 November 2020 09: 17
      -1
      No, do not.
      Others will come, another "team" - will bring their confidants no better than these.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 9 November 2020 16: 17
        +1
        We will chase everyone who is not better in the neck, you look and someone better will appear. How else? The incapable must be driven away.
  14. evgen1221
    evgen1221 9 November 2020 08: 36
    0
    As long as I remember Mr. PZh, he only does that, for his subordinates he razrulivaet jambs. And what subordinates - and they effectively create problems - apparently so that the PZh does not get bored and does not start thinking out of boredom, but what for is he so effective.
    1. Kvazar
      Kvazar 9 November 2020 09: 27
      +3
      Yeah, it remains only to find a replacement. Who can run a company of 190.000 people and not create problems, reform and move the company to the front.
      It is not very clear about 40 million rubles, when the net profit there is 10 lard rubles for 2019.
      1. depressant
        depressant 9 November 2020 10: 10
        +3
        Yeah, and that's just for project development!
        And this despite the fact that there are no gas engines for "Cupid"!
        At one time Energomash in Khimki developed three versions of gas engines, KB Khimavtomatika in Voronezh - two. Both organizations are practically at their own expense. Naive, they thought we had capitalism, competition, the invisible hand of the market and all that. Voronezh residents came closest to naked enthusiasm, but they didn't even assemble a demonstration engine - denyuzhka is needed! There were no sponsors, and the state in the person of Rogozin put them on; enthusiasts are not needed.
        Musk and Bezos are not offended by the money, one is heavily financed, the other is self-financing, the best NASA specialists have been hired, but they are still far from the serial production of a gas engine. At least 7 years old ...
        Rogozin says, they say, by the year 26 I will do Amur if ... you give at least 40 million rubles for a paper plan.
        There is no engine, Mr. Rogozin! Hey! He doesn't hear, he doesn't understand - he's not a specialist. But a politician! And he succeeded in this.
        It remains to be hoped that in connection with the force majeure in the economy, the fashion for politicians has passed. Or not?
  15. nikvic46
    nikvic46 9 November 2020 09: 00
    +2
    Not a reproach to those who write a lot about the space industry. Now the enterprises have new equipment, new technologies. But to find out how this industry works, you need to work in any specialty. If the spiritual atmosphere does not differ from other enterprises, it does not matter. Everything is imbued here. the desire to participate in a common cause. The best praise from the final specialist. When we worked, people who graduated from institutes in ordinary ordinary specialties worked with us. And you know, there was a great deal of them. Strict executive discipline, starting with the storekeeper and ending with the bosses. Can you tell everything ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 9 November 2020 10: 11
      +5
      Quote: nikvic46
      Not a reproach to those who write a lot about the space industry.

      That's right, and don't reproach. Now in Russia, any industry belongs to medium and low technology. Education is the same and the qualifications of personnel. 25 million high-tech jobs created? What kind of breakthrough can we expect from microclysters? What completed tasks were announced to the public by the ranks from Roscosmos. What are they trying to lead the industry to?
  16. ALARI
    ALARI 9 November 2020 09: 12
    +6
    Until the rocket for the Sea Launch is completed, I'm afraid there will be only rust from the platform and the vessel. And specialists will have to be summoned with the help of an exorcist.
  17. BAI
    BAI 9 November 2020 09: 24
    +7
    In Roskosmos it is necessary to change the signboard to Prostokvashino and to hang Matroskin's slogan on the wall:
    "We have the means, we lack the mind."
  18. donavi49
    donavi49 9 November 2020 09: 26
    +8
    By the way, while they are preparing to cut money in the parking lot of the MS, and they are also begging for a trillion for the Russian Skylink, the Chinese banged 2 interesting launches:
    1) On November 6, the state LM6 took out the Argentine satellite constellation and, most importantly, Taiyuan1. The world's first 6G communication component.

    2) On November 7, private trader Galactic Energy successfully threw a test satellite of 500 kg (Apocalypse 280) for 11 km. This is the first launch of this launch vehicle.


    As is popular now, Chinese private traders start with a small segment. The next step is the new Palas1 rocket, 2 / 4t, with a reuz.

    Well, the following interesting missions:
    1) November 15 (or when they fly because of the weather) - 4 astronauts on the first American full-fledged mission to the ISS.
    2) On November 25, a heavy LongMarsh will carry a landing station to the moon, which will take 2-4kg of soil and return it to China.
    3) the last days of November Japanese Lucas. An interesting machine, optical communication through the space component, and not directly. Fast, protected.
    4) Hangar.
    5) December 20 - LongMarsh 8. China's first state-owned reusable rocket. And they return the entire assembly.

    6) December 22 - Fireflies. Quite promising, but at the same time a conservative private owner, and at once in a decent amount.
  19. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 9 November 2020 09: 31
    +5
    Dziuba was recently disgraced by his recording, but he very clearly conveyed the state in which not only sports are, but also other spheres in Russia. Roskosmos is doing this tirelessly.
    1. depressant
      depressant 9 November 2020 10: 15
      +7
      And what do you want from people who, having no idea how to build capitalism, in 91 reformatted the USSR under what they understood - an organized crime group.
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    1. Kronos
      Kronos 9 November 2020 10: 16
      +7
      The article contains facts, but Putin and Rogozin can only chat.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 9 November 2020 10: 39
        -16 qualifying.
        The fact is that Musk only managed to repeat what the USSR did in the 70s. If you do not like Putin, then, apparently, you are simply too small and did not find the 90s at any conscious age, then all the cosmos were in space.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 9 November 2020 10: 41
          +8
          Trump, but at 90 Putin's favorite arguments. Although 20 years have passed since them. I do not like capitalism, and not Putin personally, all bourgeois are scoundrels.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 9 November 2020 15: 39
            -3
            In this case, think over a plan for the transition to socialism, which will be better than the Soviet one. In which, for example, you will be able to purchase imports without restrictions, and in which a planned unprofitable enterprise will not become super-profitable.
          2. Varyag71
            Varyag71 10 November 2020 13: 15
            +4
            It is strange that he did not remember the Pechenegs.
    2. parma
      parma 9 November 2020 14: 13
      +5
      Quote: EvilLion
      Another member of the Elon Musk sect. By the way, how is Tesla doing there?

      However, nothing else can be expected from the foreign agent Skomorokhov, who still has an experienced Su-57, although he has already been poked into a contract a million times.

      Putin held a meeting. Even the shift supervisor in the shop conducts a planning meeting, a big deal, as the Skomorokhov curators say.

      The contract, cool .. and the plane in the parts? No, because the first serial one crashed ... but the name already exists ... though the states already had a bunch of 5th generation aircraft models, but why, there was a contract for the f-23 prototype, and for the x-32 too .. about f -35 (penguin in your opinion, kremlebotsky) in marketable quantities, let's keep quiet ...
      How is Tesla? Surprisingly, things are going better than AvtoVAZ (and turnover and profit are higher) ...
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 9 November 2020 15: 45
        -3
        And when you conclude a contract for the delivery of something to you by tomorrow, do you ask for it 5 minutes after the conclusion, or when the agreed period has passed, but the ordered was not delivered? The contract for 76 cars until 2027, well, so on 1.1.2028 you will make a claim.

        Tesla has become profitable? And how long? Over the years, AvtoVAZ, which, by the way, belongs to Renault, has already learned how to make cars, and half of Russia switched to Grant, and Tesla is still failing. There was just a massive return in China.
        1. parma
          parma 9 November 2020 16: 12
          +1
          Quote: EvilLion
          And when you conclude a contract for the delivery of something to you by tomorrow, do you ask for it 5 minutes after the conclusion, or when the agreed period has passed, but the ordered was not delivered? The contract for 76 cars until 2027, well, so on 1.1.2028 you will make a claim.

          Tesla has become profitable? And how long? Over the years, AvtoVAZ, which, by the way, belongs to Renault, has already learned how to make cars, and half of Russia switched to Grant, and Tesla is still failing. There was just a massive return in China.

          Well, until the product reaches the buyer, it doesn’t exist, which means that the Su-57 is still not the Su-57, but the PAK FA ... and yes, you shouldn’t poke strangers, it’s not polite ..
          Regarding AvtoVAZ - as they produced a low-quality product, they are still producing it, I was convinced by my own example last weekend, when I was just a grant in the parking lot - I had nothing at all (I just wiped the paint from my bumper grants), my opponent lost paint and varnish to meat ...
          Regarding Tesla, you need to be more attentive to the topic of the conversation, this year the growth and very confident .. and yes, in China there was not a return, but a review, these are completely different things, often in such cases the car remains with the owner, after revision with a file from the dealer ..
          But we digress - so far He Mask's space is as much ahead of Roskosmos as the Tesla Yo-mobile ... and this is not his fault ...
  21. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 9 November 2020 10: 07
    +1
    Sadness, sadness.
    Maybe the author goes overboard and misses something. But in general he is right.
    While the Americans were making their "trampoline", ours did not advance.
    As a result, now it is necessary to catch up with them, and all the others, who also did not sit idle.
  22. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 9 November 2020 10: 15
    +5
    It is impossible to engage in necrophilia indefinitely!
    And building a super office won't help here
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  24. U-58
    U-58 9 November 2020 10: 19
    +2
    Where Putin is right is that a strategy is needed.
    But any correct strategy must be funded.
    And not on a leftover basis.
    But with this we are weak.
    The industry budget is cut like lawns - 2 times a year.
    The sequestration (both in the announced part and carried out without prior arrangement) has reached monstrous proportions.
    As a result, Roscosmos has some money. But funds are sorely lacking for something concrete.
    And who will resolve this dilemma?
    Obviously not Rogozin, but not Putin either. It's none of his business ..
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 9 November 2020 12: 46
      +1
      Quote: U-58
      Where Putin is right is that a strategy is needed.

      Wow. He made a discovery.
  25. Gardamir
    Gardamir 9 November 2020 10: 36
    +4
    In general, everything is correct. Only we have it not only in space. The country of failed trampolines.
  26. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 9 November 2020 11: 17
    +5
    “Our priorities are known - it is the improvement of our own space infrastructure, the build-up and qualitative improvement of the orbital constellation of spacecraft, the rhythmic continuation of manned programs, the creation of a promising line of rocket complexes. In general, an increase in the share of innovative space technology, products and services "

    I will paraphrase - the priorities "according to Putin" are: military / dual-use satellites, continuation of cruises "to the ISS and back", formal slander of modifications of old missiles "
    Nothing new, no moon, no nuclear tug.
    1. U-58
      U-58 9 November 2020 14: 56
      0
      It should be noted that space is primarily defense. And also in the second and third.
      Including the Moon and nuclear tugs.
      Always in the assessment of space topics, this is a priority.
      And then there are all sorts of scientific astronauts, the problems of life on Venus, Mars, Snickers, space tourism and the shooting of blockbusters.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 9 November 2020 15: 48
        +2
        This is the historical attitude of our country towards him. But not the fact that it is true. In many ways, space is the development of a high-tech part of the system for the ability to effectively and efficiently set and solve problems. The word "prestige" is a very strong simplification of this thing. I would say that this is an advertisement for the quality of all available technologies. And it can also be monetized for amounts far greater than our defense budget. So the importance of the non-military sphere is growing and may even be on an equal footing with the military.
  27. mark_rod
    mark_rod 9 November 2020 12: 48
    +3
    The most negative thing is that we have absolutely no time to react. I understand why Putin calls for the open use of brains. That is why: there is really no time.

    Do we have these very brains? Education was lost, we only teach how to shop in stores ... And those who strive for knowledge themselves, after graduating from decent universities, march to the west with a marching step, because they pay money there, not candy wrappers that are constantly depreciating!
  28. Karabin
    Karabin 9 November 2020 13: 02
    +8
    The world did not stand still, does not and will not stand. Putin understands this. But, alas, he has no opportunity to plug all the holes in the Russian state management of professionals.

    Oh how. There are opportunities to make your friends, sparing partners, coaches, guards, classmates, etc. more than rich, but there is no way to find professionals. What the hell is he missing yet? He has ruled for 20 years, the parliament is pocket-sized, the opposition is zero, and has again been reset. Create, command, dare. Pick people - 140 million at your disposal! But no, that is not rogozin, then a laughing stock. Or maybe everything is much simpler? At the head of the state, with a tsarist term and tsarist powers, overblown by public relations to the point of indecency, an ordinary and not very capable person.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 9 November 2020 15: 47
      -4
      Judging by this site, it is very difficult to find the right person.
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 10 November 2020 04: 10
      +5
      Jury hi,
      Citizen Putin's assignment by his "patrons" did not initially include creativity for the good of Russia and its population. Everything does not fall apart by itself
      stupidity, and purposefully barbarously destroyed for the sake of Western "partners".
  29. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 9 November 2020 14: 45
    +4
    The proton is sent to retirement not because he compromised himself, but because of the harmfulness of the fuel, which is quite correct.
    Personally, I don't care about the loss of the state company, which is led by the person involved in Navalny's investigations, the space transportation market, or any other market.
    Worse, in terms of creating new technology, everything has been missed and overlooked (although this is now led by the same subject sad , or more broadly, the same subjects). I think everyone already understands that nothing else will happen.
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    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 9 November 2020 15: 51
      -5
      Rogozin's main problem, and for which he really should be driven in 3 necks, is that he is allowed to talk too much, and then the people decide that someone is seriously engaged in some lunar bases. The funny thing is that Musk carries exactly the same nonsense, but the witnesses of his sect do not pay attention that Musk is failing all his promises, and now he has a ship that flew once, which he did longer than the USSR took to launch Gagarin after the Second World War.
      1. Mishka78
        Mishka78 9 November 2020 16: 10
        +3
        Nothing changes in this world ..
        Like a chorus of mindless fools screamed that the launch of Falcon-Heavy was complete garbage, an unnecessary wunderwaffle, pavilion filming, drank some dough, the Americans finally did not fly to the moon, and so on, etc. etc.
        "So what? What happened, well, they launched Dragon - so we did it in the 60s!"
        By God, both laughter and sin ...

        Tesla feels great. It is being built, sold, shares are traded, cars for 30 thousand units / month are sold, the most expensive car company in the world, etc.
        The manned Falcon took off and returned. Work is underway to improve / expand the line, etc.
        Today we have tested hyperloop.
        Invented by Elon Musk, Hyperloop was first experienced with people on board
        Read more at RBC:
        https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/09/11/2020/5fa9156f9a7947c62746f0d6?from=newsfeed

        And these are not fairy tales. This is reality. Unlike.

        Rogozin is not worth driving. He is the first who for many decades began to beat thieves at least on the hands.
        Personally, I do not really like Rogozin's fat duck, but for the sake of fairness I will say that thieving hamadryas from his department literally hang themselves from how he pinches them, this is infa first-hand.
        But! Not a single person, even the most ingenious person, will be able to turn the tide in an industry that has been purposefully killed for 30 years in a couple of years.
  31. Old Orc
    Old Orc 9 November 2020 15: 37
    +3
    It is striking that it does not say about the main problem. Russian space was not focused on solving strategic goals, it was focused on making a profit from the backlog of the Soviet Union, which, according to Putin, made only galoshes. And then came the 2008 economic crisis. In the United States, it became clear that feeding these lumps from Moscow is unacceptable. They put in the brains, the black door from the patent office, and access to bottomless credit through the PR firm of Tesla and created Elon Max. Hero and performer of the American Dream. And who will be given the money of the American taxpayers. naturally to their heroes. And here they are spreading demagogy about the superiority of American astronautics over Russian. Russian cosmonautics is long gone. There is a ghost of the Soviet. Which was methodically raped by chocks from Moscow and from American owners.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 9 November 2020 15: 52
      -6
      If you do not like something in Russia, and it is ruled by lumps, then you have the right to leave it.
      1. pereselenec
        pereselenec 9 November 2020 16: 38
        +2
        Quote: EvilLion
        If you do not like something in Russia, and it is ruled by lumps, then you have the right to leave it.

        Maybe it's better to dispossess them together with their paid singers, send them to develop Siberia, and start building a real space with money from confiscated yachts and palaces?
      2. Varyag71
        Varyag71 10 November 2020 13: 22
        +2
        Your training manual is already bored.
  32. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 9 November 2020 16: 29
    +1
    But, alas, he has no opportunity to plug all the holes in the Russian state management of professionals.
    Of course! It was the USSR that was managed very badly, so it was replaced by the capitalist method of management, which is much better! Incomparably better! Oh...
  33. pereselenec
    pereselenec 9 November 2020 16: 36
    0
    And to start from the moment the event happened that significantly changed the market for commercial launches. This, as you understand, is the creation and successful testing of the return stages of launch vehicles. Not Russian.

    But after all, not so long ago, VO experts proved that the returned steps are unnecessary graceless garbage, on which the Mass-charlatan saws the loot. what
  34. fa2998
    fa2998 9 November 2020 16: 41
    0
    Thank you Roman for the article! Sorry, tongue-tied, but I would have written such an article myself! "Effective managers" were sent to astronautics - for 50 years we have been flying on a royal rocket, along the old route, and NOTHING more. Only plans, models, cartoons, presentations, etc. ... hi
  35. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 9 November 2020 20: 30
    15
    Finally, it dawned on our president that the appointees "out of loyalty" would not replace the "specialists."
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  37. Varyag71
    Varyag71 10 November 2020 13: 44
    +1
    The corporation "Roskosmos" has opened a page on the website with the songs of its general director Dmitry Rogozin. In the "Songs about Space" section, you can listen to online, download and watch clips of songs of the head of the state corporation, his wife Tatiana and other authors.

    Rogozin wrote the lyrics to five featured songs, including "Over Russia", "We Tear the Sky to Shreds", "A Ship Flies Above the Earth" and "Dancing in the Sky". His wife was the author of the words to the song "Time is Eternity". The section also contains the songs of Alexander Marshal "Baikonur", "They beat us - we fly" on the verses of Jahan Pollyeva and others.

    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5faa3dc99a794744339a918d?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&nw=1605005030000
    1. Dmitry V.
      Dmitry V. 11 November 2020 10: 58
      0
      Quote: Varyag71
      In the "Songs about Space" section you can listen online, download and watch clips of the songs of the head of the state corporation


      Degradation
  38. Varyag71
    Varyag71 10 November 2020 13: 45
    +2
    Rogozin's songs, Zakharova's dances, Vasilyeva's paintings. Who is next?!
  39. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 11 November 2020 10: 55
    0
    Putin understands this. But, alas, he has no opportunity to plug all the holes in the Russian state management of professionals.


    Drop this nonsense.
    Whoever appointed a philologist to Roscosmos is to blame!

    By the way, assigning a philologist (DFN) the title of DTN (Doctor of Technical Sciences) for a strange scribble (dissertation without a single formula) does not in any way make an engineer out of a philologist, but discredits the very concept of a Doctor of Technical Sciences among those who really achieved this title by their scientific work, dozens years old !
    A disgrace to the commission that appropriated the DTN, to a "big official" even to a doctor of philosophical sciences, who defamed the technical scientific community.
    Because of this, they did not respect him, rather the opposite.
  40. Oleg Eremin
    Oleg Eremin 11 November 2020 11: 42
    0
    This is why I write science fiction about an alternative future.
    In the real present and its continuation, everything is very sad and dreary with space. And not with him alone.
  41. Antokha
    Antokha 11 November 2020 16: 29
    0
    Two sentences and it is clear that this is Skomorokhov. He can't help but kick the patriots, sticking dirty labels on us with the constancy of anxious. And after all, the topic of what he is talking about is about space. It is impossible not to read. But I won't, I got it already. No more articles by this "author". I could, I could have complained to the editor.
  42. The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 14 November 2020 13: 21
    0
    Roscosmos intends to produce perfumes, clothing and alcohol under the Let's Go! Trademark. How do you like that, Elon Musk?
  43. Charik
    Charik 14 November 2020 16: 38
    0
    someone swallowed a trampoline - look at him and he will devour baikonur if he is allowed to turn around there - the eastern one swallowed and did not choke
  44. srha
    srha 14 November 2020 23: 53
    0
    "Do you have a plan, Mr. Fix?" And it's not so much about plans (programs, and very good ones, are really offered - read reports on conferences, for example https://konferencii.ru/topic/kosmos-aviatsiya/20), but about the ability to work productively.
    Yes, the key problem is labor productivity. But it seems that neither the experts nor the management are aware of this factor. Compare the headcount of Khrunichev's GKNPTs (43000 employees, Proton rocket, 5 launches 2019, Angara family) and SpaceX (8000 employees, Falcon rocket family 13 launches 2019). And everything becomes clear if you see that SpaceX has a productivity per worker in the industry 15 times higher (in 2020 - the comparison so far, with one launch of Proton, is not at all decent, - is it not because of the construction of a "rocket" building on territory of the State Research and Development Center?).
    With global markets, i.e. prices (including ideas / designs), it is labor productivity that is the key factor.