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"The main advantage of the F-35 is the profit from the service": the Romanian press on the imposition of the US stealth fighter

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The Americans always give one answer when the customer searches for a replacement for their fighters. No matter what your needs are or what you ask for, the response will always be the same: the F-35. Do you want to replace the F-16MLU fleet? F-35A recommended. Perhaps you would like to find something instead of the old Tornado? The F-35A is the most suitable candidate. Is the F-18 Hornet approaching retirement? The F 35A will help you with the replacement. And so on…


The Romanian edition of Romania Military comes to the conclusion about the one-sidedness of the American proposal with the actual imposition of a stealth fighter:

In some cases, the F-35A may really be the solution, in other situations it seems too expensive, although it is not very clear whether his own capabilities, let's say, "talent", or only his "parents" simply push their brainchild.


In particular, the Swiss voted in a referendum to spend $ 6,5 billion on the purchase of new multipurpose vehicles. At first everything went smoothly, the Americans offered two models - the F-35A and the Super Hornet F / A-18E / F Block III. To clarify the situation, the Swiss requested permission to purchase them if one of the two items was declared the winner.

But the surprise was the Pentagon's preliminary offer: 40 Super Hornets for $ 7,45 billion or 40 F-35A for $ 6,58 billion.

We've all wondered why the Super Hornet is worth a billion more than the F-35A?
- writes the edition.

In the case of Finland, the price difference is even greater: the Super Hornet is $ 2,2 billion more expensive than the F-35 [we are talking about the possible sale of 50 F / A-18E fighters, 8 F / A-18F and 14 EW EA- 18G totaling up to $ 14,7 billion].



The main thing is profit


And it's not just the price, but also the description of the capabilities of the two products. Thus, in a note to Congress, the Pentagon describes the F / A-18 Super Hornet as a good aircraft that will increase the defense capabilities of Switzerland, and also says that the main task of this aircraft will actually perform the functions of an "air police":

The main tasks of the aircraft and associated weapons will be to monitor the airspace over Switzerland and provide national defense capabilities.


Instead, when it comes to the F-35A, the Pentagon "puts on a show" and states:

The proposed sale of the F-35 and associated missiles and ammunition will provide the Swiss government with a robust defense capability to deter aggression in the region.


At the same time, according to the publication, the Pentagon in its report to Congress explains that more American technicians will be required to service the F-35, while in the case of Switzerland acquiring Super Hornet - only six people, and then from time to time.

The advantage is on the F-35A's side as it needs more maintenance from American companies, while the Super Hornet won't pay them as many dividends in the future because it breaks less often.
- points out Romania Military, comparing the current situation with inequality in family life:

The "wonder child" Lockheed Martin [that is, the F-35] seems to have 2-3 mothers, the whole family truly loves him (more than $ 400 billion is the amount the federal government has invested in the program), and Super Hornet was left with only one parent ("Boeing") and be sad for him.


However, as the newspaper notes, the F / A-18 Super Hornet is a healthier product, less capricious than the Lockheed Martin products, and more combat-ready. According to the Pentagon, the Super Hornet is the only vehicle to reach its 75% target. fleet... At the same time, the US Navy was disappointed with the F-35C and ordered the F / A-18E / F Super Hornet Block III and began to refine the future 6th generation F / A-XX aircraft. And the manufacturer will take advantage of the main advantage of the F-35, because he has an excellent opportunity to cash in on the service, receiving additional income, including for updating the software.

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  1. credo
    credo 5 November 2020 15: 53
    10
    Interestingly, the Romanians themselves came to this, or someone suggested one of the obvious goals of making this product.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 5 November 2020 16: 02
      +7
      Quote: credo
      Interestingly, the Romanians themselves came to this, or someone suggested one of the obvious goals of making this product.

      You’ll get here with the Romanian budget .. they thought we shed a tear .. democracy costs a lot, everyone needs to work in the US camp ..
      1. times
        times 5 November 2020 16: 09
        19
        Quote: Svarog
        Democracy is expensive, everyone needs to work in the USA

        They were naive apparently believed that the owner would arrange everything for them on the cheap, as his own laughing
        1. vadson
          vadson 5 November 2020 18: 41
          +1
          Hmm, the level that has been achieved in the automotive industry over the past 30 years has been adopted in the aircraft industry. if there are still 30-year-old Mercedes cars with a minimum of 500k mileage and which run with proper care, then I cannot imagine a 30-year-old S class 222 with 500k mileage will fall apart
          1. Filxnumx
            Filxnumx 6 November 2020 07: 20
            0
            So their concept has changed: the main thing now is to consume a lot and often. That is why there is so much of all kinds of "consumption" both on the roads and in the sky.
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 17: 30
        +2
        ... all camp in the USA needs to work ..

        It is necessary to expropriate the gold of the barons (you can leave the fixes) - for a couple of 35's should be enough. And to promise the Baron a funeral together with the fighter (as now they are buried with Mercedes). There is always a way out!
    2. frruc
      frruc 5 November 2020 16: 29
      +2
      Romanians cannot do without the F-35, well, nothing! The country will join the "elite" club of the owners of these miraculous aircraft.
      wassat
      1. vVvAD
        vVvAD 6 November 2020 12: 11
        0
        Ponte at all times were expensive, and with a rush of demand, the price skyrocketed yes
    3. Vladislav_2
      Vladislav_2 5 November 2020 18: 03
      0
      So first you need to "interest" and then .... ATTRACT laughing
      nothing personal, just business
    4. RealPilot
      RealPilot 6 November 2020 10: 11
      0
      It's just that Romanians are really not afraid of anyone, in peacetime they don't need these capricious, cunning and greedy penguins ...

      Plus, these penguins only work and fly when they participate in a war in favor of the United States. wink If the goals of the war do not correspond to the plans of the aircraft owner (here "the owner" in the truest sense), then the display may suddenly appear something like this: "due to violation of the aircraft software license agreement, its work has been temporarily stopped. Contact the developer." belay

      And at the same time, the US government will make surprised eyes and say that "you and Lockheed signed an agreement," decide with them ... laughing And then the corporation LOHKID will send an ultimatum.
  2. marchcat
    marchcat 5 November 2020 15: 55
    +5
    Romanians, your NATO friend suggests. but friends must be trusted! lol
  3. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 5 November 2020 15: 57
    +9
    More Romanians will complain!
    I do not like? What problems? Buy from another seller. The light on the F-35 did not come together like a wedge. You can also fix it yourself.
    And the manufacturer ALWAYS wants to make money. Cash in, as it is written here. And the more the better. As I understand it, if the manufacturer was trading at a loss, it would be good and fair.
    Ideally, this doesn't produce anything at all. Buy somewhere for a ruble, and sell for 100 ... Better for 500 ... No, better for 1000 ... No, ruble is also a pity. Better to steal. lol
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 5 November 2020 16: 02
      +2
      Where have you seen that a slave refused a master?
      1. Borik
        Borik 5 November 2020 16: 59
        +1
        It's like in the "Diamond Hand" You won't take turn off the gas.
        Well, if the Romanians do not want to take the F-35 So there are European ones.
        1. Alf
          Alf 5 November 2020 19: 48
          0
          Quote: Borik
          Well, if the Romanians do not want to take the F-35 So there are European ones.

          If they take the European ones, they will receive sanctions. The steaming technology has long been developed.
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 5 November 2020 16: 56
      0
      They threw a bunch of dough into this craft, now they need to pay off.
    3. Tusv
      Tusv 5 November 2020 19: 23
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov
      More Romanians will complain!
      I do not like? What problems?

      Well, I totally agree. The NATO country must submit to the Pentagon. They will appoint what kind of pepelatsy such scanty countries need. And to cite as an example rich and neutral Switzerland, which most likely really needs an "Air Traffic Cop" who must take off quickly, patrol for a long time, have a low stall speed, at least 2M afterburner, well armed and most importantly be noticeable. And who is it? The best: Flankers and Eagles. Cornet is quite suitable for compact Switzerland. But here is the regrate rule (the opposite of the upgrade), because the Cornets go at the same price as the Penguin
    4. vVvAD
      vVvAD 6 November 2020 12: 14
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov
      I do not like? What problems? Buy from another seller. The light on the F-35 did not come together like a wedge. You can also fix it yourself.

      But not in Russia, China and the entire non-Western world. And with the Europeans, the United States will themselves discuss which aircraft is more needed for Switzerland, Finland, Romania and further down the list. laughing
  4. Tsoy
    Tsoy 5 November 2020 15: 59
    +7
    So the prices are set by the manufacturer, so the question is why Boeing asks for more than LM. Due to large-scale production (more than a hundred per year) 35 is constantly falling in price. 18 doesn't build at this pace so why be surprised at the difference?
    And Switzerland is also unhappy with the fact that 35 because of the embedded systems will constantly merge information into the states. Up to the name of the pilot who performed the flight and the mission plan.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 5 November 2020 16: 16
      +8
      Quote: Choi
      35 because of embedded systems will constantly merge information into the states. Up to the name of the pilot who performed the flight and the mission plan

      From 01.01.2021, all information will be posted on Facebook and Instagram. Negotiations are underway with VK and Odnoklassniki.
    2. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 5 November 2020 17: 40
      +4
      So the prices are set by the manufacturer, so the question is why Boeing asks for more than LM.

      Prices are set by the Pentagon. And all countries conclude a contract for the supply of weapons not with the manufacturer, but with the Pentagon. F-35 is no exception. Then the Pentagon enters into contracts with manufacturers.
      Almost all arms sales go through линии foreign military sales》 (in Russia this is done by Rosoboronexport).
      At low prices, the f-35 can be bought by those countries that participate in the creation program.
      Factory prices for f-35A are less than 80 LAMs, (with engine, AFAR, etc.). Foreign customers who do not participate in the program buy 1.5-2.0 times more. In the program for creating the f-35 itself, there are 3 degrees of participation for the allied countries. The higher the degree of participation, the lower the price. Israel does not count, there is a different "situation".
      See Pentagon contracts with manufacturers. The F / A-18 super hornet costs less than 60 lam.

      About horse prices for f-18, the article did not indicate how many additional engines are attached, and there are more of them than aircraft. And other nishtyaks.

      And if at all, then the prices through the foreign military sales program are about 2 times higher than the factory prices. The Pentagon does not sour money.
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 5 November 2020 19: 02
        +2
        Quote: Nasdaq
        About horse prices for f-18, the article did not indicate how many additional engines are attached, and there are more of them than aircraft. And other nishtyaks.

        You are right, the author forgot to mention these "little things"

        The Finnish government has requested a purchase calculation

        fifty (50) F / A-18E Super Hornets;
        Eight (8) F / A-18F Super Hornets
        fourteen (14) EA-18G Growler aircraft;
        one hundred sixty-six (166) F414-GE-400 engines (144 installed and 22 spare);
        five hundred (500) universal rounds (AUR) for small diameter bomb II (SDB II) GBU-53 / B;
        twelve (12) GBU-53 / B SDB II (GTV) guided testing machines;
        twelve (12) GBU-53 / B SDB II carrying reliability trainers;
        one hundred fifty (150) tactical missiles AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder;
        thirty-two (32) aerobatic training missiles (CATM) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder;
        thirty (30) tactical guidance units AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder;
        eight (8) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder CATM guidance units;
        one hundred sixty (160) guns of joint confrontation AGM-154C-1 (JSOW);
        200 (two hundred) rounds for AGM-158B-2B extended-range joint missiles (JASSM ER AUR);
        two (2) separation test machines (STV) AGM-158B-2 JASSM;
        Two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM Instrument Test Vehicles (ITV);
        Two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM Jettison (JTV) test vehicles
        two (2) AGM-158B-2 inert joint air-to-surface missiles (JASSM) with a set of telemetry equipment;
        two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM Maintenance Training Missiles (DATM);
        one hundred twenty (120) BLU-117B / B 2000LB GP bombs;
        one hundred twenty (120) sets of KMU-556F / B bomb shank (JDAM);
        300 (three hundred) FMU-139D / B fuses;
        two (2) KMU-556 (D-2) / B (JDAM) simulators;
        thirty (30) BLU-109C / B 2000LB bombs;
        thirty (30) sets of KMU-557F / B bomb shank (JDAM);
        two (2) BLU-109 (D-1) / B 2000LB bombs;
        one hundred and two (102) BLU-111B / B 500LB general purpose bombs;
        one hundred and two (102) KMU-572F / B JDAM bomb shank sets;
        six (6) MK-82-0,1 500LB general purpose bombs, inert;
        fifty-one (51) BLU-110B / B 1000LB general purpose bombs;
        fifty (50) sets of KMU-559F / B bomb shank;
        fifty-eight (58) M61A2 20MM gun systems;
        thirty-two (32) advanced infrared targets for advanced guidance (ATFLIR);
        thirty two (32) sniper targeting capsules;
        fourteen (14) Advanced Electronic Attack Kit for EA-18G;
        sixty-five (65) AN / ALR-67 (V) 3 kits for receiving anti-electric weapons;
        sixty five (65) AN / ALQ-214 integrated countermeasures;
        seventy-four (74) Multifunctional Information Distribution Systems - Joint Tactical Radio Systems (MIDS JTRS);
        eighty nine (89) Joint Helmet Mounted Alarm Systems (JHMCS);
        three hundred seventy seven (377) LAU-127E / A guided missile launchers;
        seventy-four (74) AN / AYK-29 Distributed Targeting Processors - Network (DTP-N);
        twenty five (25) infrared search and track systems (IRST);
        Eight (8) new generation Jammer Mid-Bands (NGJ-MB).

        Also included

        Radar with active electronic scanning (AESA) AN / APG-79;
        Digital Video Recorder (HDVR) for High Speed ​​Video Network (HSVN);
        Night vision goggles (NVG) AN / AVS-9;
        Night vision devices AN / AVS-11 (NVCD);
        AN / ALE-47 electronic countermeasures systems;
        Communication system AN / ARC-210;
        AN / APX-111 Combined Responder-Interrogator;
        AN / ALE-55 towed decoys;
        Launchers (LAU-115D / A, LAU-116B / A, LAU118A);
        Target guidance unit AN / AAQ-28 (V);
        Joint Mission Planning System (JMPS);
        Precision Navigation (ANAV), Global Positioning System (GPS), Navigation;
        Aircraft armament (AAE);
        Air ferry transportation;
        External Relations Officer (FLO) Support;
        Auxiliary fuel tanks, fuses FMU-139D (D-2) / B;
        MK84-4 2000LB General purpose inert bombs, MK83 Bombs General purpose inert bombs;
        KMU-557S (D-2) / B tail sections;
        KMU-572S (D-2) / B tail sections;
        Laser detector DSU-38A / B, laser detector DSU-38A (D-2) / B, KMU-559S (D-2) / B load simulator;
        Wing release line nodes;
        AGM-154C-1 JSOW Captive aircraft,
        Dummy training rockets,
        AGM-154C-1 JSOW mission planning, integration support and testing, ammunition storage security and training, combat flight program software development;
        containers for weapons;
        equipment for support and testing of aircraft and ammunition;
        communication equipment; supply, spare parts and spare parts;
        support for the repair and return of weapons;
        equipment for personnel training and education;
        weapons systems software, publications and technical documentation;
        Services of the US government and contractors for engineering, technical and logistics support;
        and other related elements of logistics and program support.
        The total estimated cost is $ 14,7 billion.

        The Finnish government has requested a purchase calculation

        sixty-four (64) F-35 Joint Strike Fighter CTOL aircraft;
        sixty six (66) Pratt & Whitney F-135 engines (64 installed and 2 spare);
        five hundred (500) universal rounds (AUR) for small diameter bomb II (SDB II) GBU-53 / B;
        twelve (12) GBU-53 / B SDB II (GTV) guided testing machines;
        twelve (12) OB vehicles GBU-53 / B SDB II;
        one hundred fifty (150) Sidewinder AIM-9X Block II + (Plus) tactical missiles;
        thirty-two (32) Sidewinder AIM-9X Block II + (Plus) capture training missiles (CATM);
        thirty (30) units of tactical guidance AIM-9X Block II + (Plus) Sidewinder;
        eight (8) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder CATM guidance units;
        one hundred (100) tactical missiles AGM-154C-1 Joint Stand Off Weapon (JSOW-C1);
        two hundred (200) AGM-158B-2 extended-range joint air-to-surface missiles (JASSM-ER);
        Two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM-ER Separation Testing Machines;
        two (2) test machines with AGM-158B-2 JASSM-ER instrumentation;
        two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM-ER Jettison testing machines;
        two (2) AGM-158B-2 Inert JASSM with a set of intelligent telemetry instruments;
        two (2) AGM-158 pilot training missiles;
        one hundred twenty (120) KMU-556 JDAM guidance kits for GBU-31;
        300 (three hundred) FMU-139D / B fuses;
        Two (2) KMU-556 (D-2) / B Trainer JDAM Guidance Kits for GBU-31
        thirty (30) KMU-557 JDAM guidance kits for GBU-31;
        150 (one hundred fifty) KMU-572 JDAM guidance kits for GBU-38/54;
        one hundred twenty (120) BLU-117, general purpose bombs;
        thirty two (32) BLU-109, general purpose bomb;
        one hundred fifty (150) BLU-111, general purpose bomb;
        six (6) MK-82, inert bomb;
        one (1) FMU-139D / B (D-1) inert fuse.

        Also included

        Electronic warfare systems;
        Command, control, communications, computer and intelligence / communications, navigation and identification (C4I / CNI);
        Autonomous Logistics Global Support System (ALGS);
        Operational Data Integrated Network (ODIN);
        Air system simulators;
        Possibilities of using weapons and other subsystems, features and capabilities;
        Unique infrared missiles F-35;
        access to the reprogramming center;
        F-35 Performance Based Logistics;
        software development / integration;
        aviation ferry and tanker escort;
        Detector laser DSU-38A / B, detector laser DSU-38A (D-2) / B, KMU-572 (D-2) / B Trainer (JDAM), 40-inch wing release cord;
        GBU-53 / B SDB II payload crew simulators;
        GBU-53 / B SDB II Practical simulators on the explosive ordnance disposal system (PEST);
        AGM-154C-1 JSOW Combat aircraft;
        Training rockets AGM-154C-1 JSOW;
        AGM-154C-1 JSOW mission planning, integration support and testing, ammunition storage security and training, weapons combat flight program software development;
        integration of a joint strike missile;
        containers for weapons;
        equipment for support and testing of aircraft and ammunition;
        communication equipment;
        supply, spare parts and spare parts;
        support for the repair and return of weapons;
        equipment for personnel training and education;
        weapons systems software, publications and technical documentation;
        Services of the US government and contractors for engineering, technical and logistics support; and other related elements of logistics and software support.
        The total estimated cost is $ 12,5 billion.
  5. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 5 November 2020 16: 02
    16
    The advantage is on the F-35A's side as it needs more maintenance from American companies, while the Super Hornet won't pay them as many dividends in the future because it breaks less often.

    The Americans, with this approach, need to "upgrade" the F-35 to the level of "constantly breaks down"
  6. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 5 November 2020 16: 07
    +2
    At the same time, the US Navy was disappointed with the F-35C and ordered the F / A-18E / F Super Hornet Block III and began to refine the future 6th generation F / A-XX aircraft.

    F-35C NEVER was not planned to replace the F / A-18E / F Super Hornet, it was to replace the F / A-18C / D Hornet.
    By 2030, aircraft carriers are planning to keep 16 F35С and 28 F / A-18E / F Super Hornets. Then the Super Hornets will be replaced by "next generation" fighters.
  7. LifeIsGood
    LifeIsGood 5 November 2020 16: 16
    +3
    But I like this speech:
    The proposed sale of the F-35 and associated missiles and ammunition will provide the Swiss government with a robust defense capability to deter aggression in the region.

    This is also whose aggression Switzerland will have to contain? laughing There are only NATO countries around it repeat ... even what neutral there is! No, I'm lying! There is Liechtenstein with an area of ​​160 km² laughing
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 5 November 2020 17: 53
      +1
      Neutral Austria still borders
  8. Turanov
    Turanov 5 November 2020 16: 18
    -3
    "The main advantage of the F-35 is the profit from the service":

    Especially the software stuffing .. Update at least every day, and do not pay it will be disconnected remotely .. Cleverly thought up, then this dear bird is so persistently snatched to everyone ..
  9. yfast
    yfast 5 November 2020 16: 22
    +1
    Quote: A. Privalov
    More Romanians will complain!
    I do not like? What problems? Buy from another seller. The light on the F-35 did not come together like a wedge. You can also fix it yourself.

    It's like a laser printer and an inkjet printer. You will work for medicines all your life.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 5 November 2020 19: 13
      0
      Quote: yfast
      It's like a laser printer and an inkjet printer. You will work for medicines all your life.

      Why buy a goose ...
    2. Alf
      Alf 5 November 2020 19: 50
      0
      Quote: yfast
      It's like a laser printer and an inkjet printer. You will work for medicines all your life.

      And what are your complaints about the inkjet?
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 5 November 2020 17: 04
    0
    It can't be what they write in the Western press, it's an uprising against the F-35! You can suffer for this, at least get on the lists of Russian agents!
    Now the sect of fans of the F-35 will blow everything here ........... laughing laughing laughing
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 November 2020 17: 09
    0
    And another main + is that having paid for a device of the 5th generation, if you go against the party's course, it will turn into the 3rd generation with one click of your finger.
  12. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 5 November 2020 17: 26
    -1
    And the manufacturer will take advantage of the main advantage of the F-35, because he has an excellent opportunity to cash in on the service, receiving additional income, including for software updates.

    At least someone understood the main advantage of the F-35 on other aircraft))) laughing
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 5 November 2020 19: 44
      0
      Quote: ZEMCH
      At least someone understood the main advantage of the F-35 on other aircraft

      Read the information first-hand.
      F-35: What the pilots say..
      Lt. Col. David "Chip" Burke | USMC (retired)
      David Burke flew Lockheed Martin F-22s earlier than F-35s. Fifth-generation aircraft, according to the pilot, offer a different set of capabilities from fourth-generation aircraft, and pilots must also fly them differently.

      https://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/f-35-faces-most-critical-test-180971734/
      1. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 5 November 2020 19: 59
        -2
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        Quote: ZEMCH
        At least someone understood the main advantage of the F-35 on other aircraft

        Read the information first-hand.
        F-35: What the pilots say ..
        Lt. Col. David "Chip" Burke | USMC (retired)
        David Burke flew Lockheed Martin F-22s earlier than F-35s. Fifth-generation aircraft, according to the pilot, offer a different set of capabilities from fourth-generation aircraft, and pilots must also fly them differently.


        https://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/f-35-faces-most-critical-test-180971734/

        Each generation required new skills, both piloting and using weapons. )
        Reseeding from piston pilots worked with cannons, radar was needed to use guided missiles, etc. There is no dispute! The question is, does Switzerland need all this, with whom is it going to fight? Cheaper aircraft are enough to protect their country and patrol the airspace.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 5 November 2020 20: 20
          +1
          Quote: ZEMCH
          The question is, does Switzerland need all this,

          THERE WAS A QUESTION:
          At least someone understood the main advantage of the F-35 on other aircraft
          I decided that you are really interested.
          And gave you a link to at least get some information.
          And you have a goal, to drive the show-off.
          Quote: ZEMCH
          The question is, does Switzerland need all this

          Here, ask Switzerland.
  13. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 5 November 2020 17: 36
    +3
    The F-35 does require twice as many technicians per plane.
    An hour of flight service is about three times more expensive.
    But its capabilities are incomparably greater than those of the Super Hornet.
    If Switzerland only needs a patrol service - peaceful interceptions
    neighbors who accidentally flew into its territory, then it is enough for her
    have Super Hornets.
    But if she suddenly has to fight, then it is wiser to take the F-35.
    1. Alf
      Alf 5 November 2020 19: 50
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      But if she suddenly has to fight, then it is wiser to take the F-35.

      With whom ? If only with bank robbers?
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 6 November 2020 21: 53
        0
        Switzerland does not receive income only from banks.
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal 6 November 2020 21: 55
      0
      If Switzerland only needs a patrol service - peaceful interceptions

      Then the Gripenes are the optimal fighters. The cheapest in service of the modern.
  14. Cananecat
    Cananecat 5 November 2020 17: 37
    +3
    Citizens of the Romanians, good morning ... well there. )))
  15. Igor Semenov
    Igor Semenov 5 November 2020 17: 50
    +4
    So if it's expensive, don't buy it! Moreover, I will say a terrible thing - if you think that nothing threatens your country, there is no point in NATO membership. I will say even more terrible thing - if you think that the EAEU Customs Union is more profitable than the EU, feel free to leave the EU. And whining in vain is meaningless
    1. Alf
      Alf 5 November 2020 19: 52
      +1
      Quote: Igor Semenov
      Moreover, I will say a terrible thing - if you think that nothing threatens your country, there is no point in membership in NATO.

      Who will let you out? Entry is a ruble, an exit is a gold piece.
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal 8 November 2020 07: 43
      0
      And how is it more profitable? Richer? More market participants? Technology level?
  16. Avior
    Avior 5 November 2020 18: 19
    +3
    Somehow, imperceptibly, under the reasoning about the high cost of the f-35, they gradually came to the situation that the f-35 was cheaper than the f-18 in real contracts.
  17. kvs45
    kvs45 5 November 2020 19: 24
    +1
    "That which is above our capabilities, below our dignity" -
    long-term construction Su-57 am negative am
  18. Alf
    Alf 5 November 2020 19: 46
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    The F / A-18 Super Hornet is healthier, less moody than Lockheed Martin's, and more efficient.

    Well, let them twist and screw up in Hornet so that it breaks just as often ...
  19. yfast
    yfast 5 November 2020 20: 12
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    Quote: Alf
    And what are your complaints about the inkjet?

    Consumables are expensive (they were, I don't know how now).
    1. Alf
      Alf 6 November 2020 16: 39
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      Quote: yfast
      Quote: Alf
      And what are your complaints about the inkjet?

      Consumables are expensive (they were, I don't know how now).

      Are consumables expensive? Have you tried refilling cartridges yourself? I have been doing this for many years now. I bought a suitable ink for my Canon and I refill it calmly. A new cartridge costs 1500-1800 wooden ones, and my refueling is 30 rubles and 15 minutes of work, and not super-technological, a simple syringe for 5 cubes is enough. I buy cartridges every two years.
  20. yfast
    yfast 5 November 2020 20: 17
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    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Why buy a goose ...

    Instead of the F-35? Easily. Twice as many qualified (expensive) technicians, ten times more paint, which you cannot buy on Ali Express, five times more expensive is the delivery of a part from America, which the plane will write for itself. The claw is stuck, the whole bird is kirdyk.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 November 2020 20: 46
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      Switzerland will cope with technicians - a developed country.
      Israel solved this problem quickly.
      Spare parts are delivered quickly by Americans, unlike Europeans.
      (to any aircraft). Spare parts are not cheap.
      Keep paint-coatings a little, touch up cracks on
      joints of aluminum and carbon, formed from vibrations on strong bends.
      What to do? - when Russia starts to deal with stealth coatings, it will pass
      all this on my own experience.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 5 November 2020 22: 25
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        What to do? - when Russia starts to deal with stealth coatings, it will pass
        all this on my own experience.
        Ferrite coating was still on the Tu-16 (it seems).
  21. Barkun
    Barkun 5 November 2020 21: 53
    +1
    Paradox. People have already forgotten about the pros and cons of the Marshall plan, as it were.
  22. yfast
    yfast 5 November 2020 22: 00
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    Switzerland will cope with technicians - a developed country.
    Israel solved this problem quickly.
    The moral of that fable was - it's better to make planes yourself.
    This applies to Europeans, not Israelis, there is no market there, although I think Iran would buy)).
  23. skif8013
    skif8013 5 November 2020 23: 36
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    What do you want?) That's why he and Lohmartin)
  24. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 6 November 2020 00: 40
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    How bored I am, our weakness of Russia (USSR) is only in one thing that we do in one country, but this is our strength too - independence from NATO and their satelliteites !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  25. Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 6 November 2020 15: 26
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    Are you clear? I doubt it. Pee them in the eyes, and they - "God's dew!"