Britain offers Ukraine boats with Norwegian missiles

Probable variant of the British project of boats for the Navy

The missile boats, which Britain intends to build for Ukraine, are proposed to be equipped with Norwegian Naval Strike Missile (NSM) anti-ship missiles, and not Ukrainian anti-ship missiles "Neptune". This is reported by the Odessa edition "Dumskaya" with reference to its own sources in the Ukrainian Navy.

According to the newspaper, the British company BMT agreed to finalize the proposed project of missile boats, taking into account the wishes of the command of the Ukrainian Navy. In particular, it is reported that the engine will be transferred in the new project. In addition, it is proposed to install the Norwegian NSM anti-ship missiles on the boat, which are in service with the US Navy, Great Britain and a number of NATO countries.

At the same time, it is argued that the British are ready to deliver the first boat to the Ukrainian Navy in a year after the signing of the contract. At the same time, Ukrainian projects that exist only on paper will take a very long preparation time before construction, subject to adequate funding. In addition, there is still no naval version of the Neptune anti-ship missile system.

(...) it takes at least 5 years to create the first boat according to a domestic project: eight months for design, about two years for the development of drawings and technical documentation, and another two years for implementation in metal. And this is subject to stable funding. And as shown by many years story with the launch of the rocket "Lani", there will be no money

- writes the edition.

At the same time, London offers Kiev to build eight boats with funds allocated as a loan for 10 years. In addition, the localization of production is envisaged in Ukraine.

The NSM anti-ship missile was developed by the Norwegian group Kongsberg, produced in the United States as part of a joint venture with Raytheon. A two-stage subsonic anti-ship missile with a range of 185 km. Length - 4 m, weight with container - 710 kg, warhead weight - 120 kg.

Comments

[credo]

If the boats will be built by the British, then what is the localization of the production of these boats in Ukraine?
Maybe they meant that the installation of the national flag of the aborigines would be trusted by the aborigines themselves?
The cunning English know how to trick the "most cunning on earth" Ukrainians.

[Igor Berg]

then what is the localization of the production of these boats in Ukraine?

localization is that part of it is being built in Britain, part in Ukraine, it was originally like 4x4

[credo]

Quote: Igor Berg

then what is the localization of the production of these boats in Ukraine?

localization is that part of it is being built in Britain, part in Ukraine, it was originally like 4x4

In the early articles, something like that really flashed, but apparently the Europeans looked at the actions of the Constitutional Court and the general discord in Ukraine and decided not to risk money and reputation. There is no faith in the "broad" Ukrainians.

[Avior]

2x6, 6 will be built in Ukraine.

[Borik]

If the boats will be built by the British, then what is the localization of the production of these boats in Ukraine?

So if the Ukrainians suddenly want not 8 but 9 boards, then the latter may start to build-saw somewhere in their shipyard.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: credo

The cunning English know how to trick the "most cunning on earth" Ukrainians.

They consider themselves cunning, but Britain was born when they weren't even in diapers. But the most interesting thing is that the Britons will foist these boats on Svidomo, and even rip off "as sticky".

[St Petrov]

shaved Svidomo thrust these boats, and even rip off "as sticky."

you can deceive. But the most gorgeous and filigree action is when they look into your eyes for this with devotion, shouting about independence and partnership

The subtle work of the Anglo-Saxons with the logic of the ragul. This is what you need to learn, looking at these rivals

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Quote: credo

If the boats will be built by the British, then what is the localization of the production of these boats in Ukraine?
Maybe they meant that the installation of the national flag of the aborigines would be trusted by the aborigines themselves?
The cunning English know how to trick the "most cunning on earth" Ukrainians.

What beautiful boats in the photo. It's even a pity to drown

[credo]

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Quote: credo

If the boats will be built by the British, then what is the localization of the production of these boats in Ukraine?
Maybe they meant that the installation of the national flag of the aborigines would be trusted by the aborigines themselves?
The cunning English know how to trick the "most cunning on earth" Ukrainians.

What beautiful boats in the photo. It's even a pity to drown

Why drown, if you can, like last time, in the Kerch Strait, board and drive them to your harbor, and there, even for scrap metal, even at the trophy display.

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Quote: credo

If the boats will be built by the British, then what is the localization of the production of these boats in Ukraine?
Maybe they meant that the installation of the national flag of the aborigines would be trusted by the aborigines themselves?
The cunning English know how to trick the "most cunning on earth" Ukrainians.

What beautiful boats in the photo. It's even a pity to drown

Why drown, if you can, like last time, in the Kerch Strait, board and drive them to your harbor, and there, even for scrap metal, even at the trophy display.

Only give the toilets immediately, in front of witnesses.

[skif8013]

Quote: credo

If the boats will be built by the British, then what is the localization of the production of these boats in Ukraine?
Maybe they meant that the installation of the national flag of the aborigines would be trusted by the aborigines themselves?
The cunning English know how to trick the "most cunning on earth" Ukrainians.

Localization will consist in the installation of latrines with secret keys, so that ours are not removed during capture)

[Prisoner]

They will install their own toilet bowls. The English will resist, and they will install their own. And we will get a joint NATO-Ukrainian product.

[maxim1987]

At the same time, London offers Kiev to build eight boats with funds allocated as a loan for 10 years.

but at first the conversation was about: 2 boats in Britain, and the rest in Ukraine will build

[VORON538]

The question now stands like this: Ukraine will buy both boats and missiles
And their production ... and why is it in Ukraine? Ukrainian migrant workers are expected in Europe, the Ukrainian industry is not.

[Orange bigg]

Does Ukraine have its own production? Under the Soviet Union, aircraft-carrying cruisers were built in Nikolaev. Now they cannot build a boat without outside help. The Neptune PKR was never brought to mind, although there were even blueprints for this rocket.

[RUSS]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Does Ukraine have its own production? Under the Soviet Union, aircraft-carrying cruisers were built in Nikolaev, but now they cannot build a boat without outside help.

Patrol boats of project 03160 or "Raptor" - a series of Russian high-speed patrol boats of the coastal zone. The engine compartment is located in the aft part of the vessel, according to the manufacturer, it is equipped with two American turbodiesels CATERPILLAR C18 ACERT E-rating (1150 hp at 2300 rpm, working volume 18,1 liters, configuration of the cylinder block - L6), then there is a clutch mechanism, the so-called clutch, followed by a shaft line for jet English-made propellers Rolls-Royce Kamewa 36A3 HS.

[Victorio]

Quote: RUSS

CATERPILLAR C18 ACERT

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they also install Korean diesels

[tihonmarine]

Quote: VORON538

Ukrainian migrant workers are expected in Europe, the Ukrainian industry is not.

There is a double benefit, and the boats will be caught and guest workers will be received instead of the Romanians.

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Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: VORON538

Ukrainian migrant workers are expected in Europe, the Ukrainian industry is not.

There is a double benefit, and the boats will be caught and guest workers will be received instead of the Romanians.

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[stalkerwalker]

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Minus players disagree with you

Madame ...

You know that on VO they are minus not for opinion, but for position.

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Minus players disagree with you

Madame ...

You know that on VO they are minus not for opinion, but for position.

I remember, Ilyich, how you imprudently gave food and added pluses to the "positioners" in the topic about "the Soviet past ...". it happens

[stalkerwalker]

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I remember, Ilyich, how you imprudently gave food and added pluses to the "positioners" in the topic about "the Soviet past ...". it happens

I was not so surprised. Cons.
But the lack of full-fledged arguments from the dissenters fully confirmed my thesis.

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But the lack of full-fledged arguments from the dissenters fully confirmed my thesis.

As a rule, full-fledged arguments are given at a round table, looking the opponent in the eye.

[stalkerwalker]

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As a rule, full-fledged arguments are given at a round table, looking the opponent in the eye.

Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye ...

[Ruslan67]

Quote: stalkerwalker

As a rule, full-fledged arguments are given at a round table, looking the opponent in the eye.

Quote: stalkerwalker

Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye ...

It happens in the eye

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Quote: stalkerwalker

As a rule, full-fledged arguments are given at a round table, looking the opponent in the eye.

Quote: stalkerwalker

Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye ...

It happens in the eye

If your opponent has one eye, then logically, you "talked" with him, before the start of the debate

[Avior]

And there is.
The British give money for the construction.

[Prisoner]

Today, in Ukraine, only rafts can be built, and even those made of plastic bottles.

[Dmitry Makarov]

As the Master said, so it will be. Nobody asks the Ukrainians, they are simply informed.
And the Norwegian missile is of course rather weak, subsonic and only hits 180 km. Russia had missiles with such characteristics in the 60s of the last century, now everything is super and hyper-sonic, and the battle range is measured in thousands of kilometers. In general, in which case, it will be just beating the baby.

[t-12]

and hits only 180 km.

Isn't that enough for the Black Sea?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: t-12

Isn't that enough for the Black Sea?

You still need to go to the Black Sea.

[t-12]

On a good level, boats (at least 3 out of 8) should be at sea on a permanent basis, even in peacetime. However, I am not a navy man.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: t-12

On a good level, boats (at least 3 out of 8) should be at sea on a permanent basis, even in peacetime.

It's scary to go out.

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: Dmitry Makarov

Russia had missiles with such characteristics in the 60s of the last century, now everything is super and hyper-sonic, and the battle range is measured in thousands of kilometers

Wow..
no one could even think of such progress. The entire World Cup of the Russian Federation sits on hypersound ..
It is strange that there is no bravura news.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

rocket sucks .... another question for the Saxons. Norwegians have connected ... to see for the debts they want to chop off the southern zemlitsa .... credible ... just now there is a trick ... unpleasant news for the Norwegians ... in 404 there are laws, but they are not ... so the Norwegians .. do not get into a mess ... but although you get there .. you don't have enough breaks ... there will be more

[nobody75]

The NSM missile has a matrix IR seeker with target recognition by IR signature, an electronic warfare station and a low-altitude flight profile at a speed of 0,95M. Having a reconnaissance drone, you can program a missile to hit a specific target. Why sucks?
With respect.

[Boris Chernikov]

in the Ukrainian version, in any case, it sucks .. suppose they roll out all 8 boats .. felnut .. drown .. well, let 5-6 FSB patrol boats .. what's next? And then there will be a massacre of Ukrainian troops .. and it will be significant to kill and bloody and everyone, who can be reached ..

This is not to mention the fact that by the time all boats are ready for combat, the Black Sea Fleet will have a couple of times more ships ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Boris Chernikov

suppose they will roll out all 8 boats .. fire .. drown .. well, let them 5-6 patrol boats of the FSB.

Well, first you need to "roll out" these boats from the base so that they fire. And to shoot you need to be born "kamikaze" and not a Sumerian.

[Boris Chernikov]

and this, too, they need suicide bombers, although they are growing them on the sly

[Runway]

“Laughter from the audience” is also not clear. If the Brits "promise and marry", Ukraine will receive 8 boats x 8 pcr (with the ability to beat a stationary object on land). 64 rockets. On par with our 7 RTOs + 1 corvette on the Black Sea Fleet (Mosquitoes / Uraniums / Caliber / Malachites).
16 pkr on four arks (Exocet / Termite) - Bulgaria.
24 PKR on three steamers and three boats (Exocet and Termit) - Romania.
In total - 18 targets for the anti-ship missiles of our glorious Black Sea Fleet.

[t-12]

The Turkish fleet also needs to be added. In case of war, Turkey is unlikely to remain on the sidelines.

(in this case, we will assume that the Britons and the Americans will not fight openly so as not to bring matters to a nuclear war).

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Parity 7 our RTOs + 1 corvette on the Black Sea Fleet (Mosquitoes / Uranians / Caliber / Malachites) ..... you forgot to add complexes from the Crimea and the naval aviation itself from the territory of the Crimea, and from the Crimea the entire water area of ​​the Black Sea is shot through

[Runway]

You, as a dosimetric chemist, of course know better. Perhaps you should turn to the "happy people" to disperse the pests that are lobbying for the use of the Uranium / Mosquito / Malachite anti-ship missiles on the Navy's military ships. As well as DBK "Ball".
Doesn't it seem strange to you that if modern MBTs have the ability to hit targets from distances of 2-4 km, no one says goodbye to portable vehicles with a range of up to 400 m (0,4 km)?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Why does it suck? ... because it's a subsonic anti-ship missile ... which means ... oops

[nobody75]

In such dimensions, it is impossible to make an SCR with a supersonic cruising speed and a range of 180 km. And why?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

In such dimensions, make an anti-ship missile system with a supersonic cruising speed and a range of 180 ......... oops ... it's like laughing at you .... 40 years ago, the USSR created a project of missile boats "Molniya" which carried 4 anti-ship missiles Mosquito at a speed of 2500 km per hour. that is, about 800 meters per second ... well, how about the dimensions ...

[nobody75]

We didn’t seem to have drunk on brotherhood ...
Have you read about the dimensions? I seem to have written in Russian ...
TPK NSM - 4 x 0,81 x 0,8 m. Weight of TPK 710 kg.
3M-80 Mosquito - 9,385x1,3x1,3 m Weight 3M-80 - 3950 kg 3M-80E - 4500 kg
Thus, the Mosquito is more than 2 times longer and more than one and a half times thicker! And the Mosquito weighs 4 tons.
My advice to you, as a Crimean partisan, do not use the Mosquito against the Russian Black Sea Fleet - disgrace yourself. And learn Russian - it will come in handy.
Sincerely

[nobody75]

why the hell to buy

Is it in Russian? Is there a word "lino" in Russian?
I meant the dimensions of the PCR. The displacement of the carrier does not affect the cruising speed of the rocket. Remember this young man to be clever in front of girls at school.
First, the GOS of the Mosquito is simply suppressed by modern electronic warfare. Secondly, Ukraine does not produce this type of PCR. Thirdly, the "Molniya" has no air defense (it is fun to consider the MANPADS as such). Fourth, the target designation system and the "Lightning" radio are antiques.
Sincerely

[Crimean partisan 1974]

..
Firstly, the GOS of the Mosquito is simply suppressed by modern electronic warfare. ... is it debatable or ...... but the speed of anti-ship missiles is important ... especially since you can also plant an anti-ship missile of the CLAB class in the launcher
Secondly, Ukraine does not produce this type of PCR ........ yes, they do not produce anything there at all ... it's no secret
Thirdly, the "Molniya" has no air defense (it is fun to consider the MANPADS as such). Fourthly, the target designation system and the "Lightning" slingshot are antiques ... well, Molnyakha has a Voschet ZRPK Kortik ... this is serious, two 30 mm gatlings at 5 thousand rounds per minute per section and 8 ZRU Kortik ready to fire
and also about target designation. on Molnyakh ... this is passive over-the-horizon target detection
good luck

[nobody75]

all the more so since it is possible to plant a CLAB class anti-ship missile in the launcher

Are you talking about "Caliber"? Try to shove it in ... It's easier to build "Karakurt".

Well, Molnyakha's waxet has a ZRPK Dagger

ZRPK Kortik in 1989 was only adopted for service.
At 1241 - two AK630M units. These are your two gatlings.
Sincerely

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Yes, that is right. two gatling 30 mm and 8 daggers ready to launch

[nobody75]

Excuse me, but what should I see? Have you removed 2 AK630s and stuck a combat module? And the control room? And the surveillance radar? Who will protect the front hemisphere? For completing low-flying anti-ship missiles - it will do. And who will be engaged in shooting them?
And why all this, if they put a normal Shell on Karakurt.
Sincerely

[Crimean partisan 1974]

And why is all this, ...... Ilya. I understandably explained myself, arguing that subsonic anti-ship missiles are SUCKS in the current conditions ... and the dimensions have nothing to do with ... the only thing I don't understand is your blinkeredness ........ The territory of 404 is just stupidly the Saxons are beating in full here and the Norwegians are connected, the stump is clear that the 404 will not be able to pay tango in the end what will be given ... guess at once

[nobody75]

Excuse me again, what does the word "Sucks" mean? I do not know of such criteria for the effectiveness of the SVN! The entire Caliber family is subsonic. Onyx on the marching section is subsonic. Do you have to get personal? Or is it the result of the Ukrainization of the Crimeans?
Sincerely

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Forgive me again, what does the word "Sucks" mean? ........ I explain ... unable to solve the assigned tasks effectively
The entire "Caliber" family is subsonic ........ not true. ... 54 of the nominal CLAB, leaving the radio horizon, picks up speed of about 1 km per second, that is, the crew has only 30 seconds to repel the attack, that is, if there was an attack by a Norwegian anti-ship missile, then multiply the time to repel the attack by 4 , that is, 2 minutes at which at such a speed it is possible even from MANPADS
Onyx on the marching section is subsonic. .... you forgot that there are flight modes, what mode will be. this is based on the situation
Do you have to switch to personalities? .... let's leave that ... I respect you too ... you are a very interesting opponent .... but Crimeans are different, as elsewhere ... and what does the paperwork come from the language criterion .. .. we have three of them

[nobody75]

54 of the nominal CLAB, leaving the radio horizon, picks up speed of about 1 km per second

And before that, what speed?
The AWACS aircraft will detect it at what distance and direct a fighter or anti-aircraft missile?

the crew has only 30 seconds to repel the attack

This is without over-the-horizon detection and interception. If you have air cover, then the line of interception should be moved back by 150 - 200 km. minimum.

then multiply the time to repel an attack by 4, that is, 2 minutes, and at this speed you can even from MANPADS
Onyx on the marching section is subsonic. .... you forgot that there are flight modes, what mode will be. this is based on the situation

The flight mode there is determined by the altitude ... For modern air defense systems, both M1 and M2 do not pose a big threat. All of them are able to work in automatic mode without the participation of the crew, so the reaction time is not a critical parameter. The channel and noise immunity of the seeker are much more important. NSM has infrared, passive GOS. Accordingly, it will not react to dipole reflectors and electronic warfare. And to irradiate the target, too.
And please stop poking me ...
Sincerely

[Crimean partisan 1974]

1 .. the AWACS will detect it at what distance and guide a fighter or anti-aircraft missile? 404 have no AWACS at all ..
2 ... If you have air cover, then move the line of interception 150 - 200 km. at least ... no, it will not move away ... because they themselves will be at gunpoint
3 ... the interference immunity of the seeker. NSM has infrared, passive GOS. Accordingly, it will not react to dipole reflectors and electronic warfare. And to irradiate the target too ...... yeah. even tomahawks in recent events in Syria are not even that ... that is, from the shelling of 120 missiles, only a dozen flew to the target. and the hatchets are quite crammed with tools and software steeper than those of the Norwegians ...
perhaps you can put an end

[nobody75]

no matter how it will not find it and will not lead anything ... it is not yet a fact that it will be there ... but if in relation to this article, then 404 generally have no AWACS planes ..

The AUG will definitely have it, and the Ukrainians can also place NATO airbases ... which they are likely to do in the next 2 - 3 years.

no, it won't move away ... because they themselves will be at gunpoint

Who / what?

that is, from the shelling of 120 missiles, only a dozen flew to the target. and the hatchets are quite crammed with tools and software cooler than those of the Norwegians

No worse stuffed. They used to have guidance on an electronic map. Using radar and ISN. Then they changed it for GPS. In Syria, it was GPS that was actively jammed. But it's not that...
From an engineering point of view, can you explain to me why 0,95M is "Sucks" and 1,2M is "cool"?
Sincerely

[Crimean partisan 1974]

they can also place NATO airbases ... which they will most likely do in the next 2 - 3 years ........ no, they cannot ... but on the way they will not be able to ... the situation is not stable ... It's one thing to place a contingent, another thing to deploy a base ... these are different concepts
Under the gun of whom / what? ... just a note ... from the territory of the Crimea, the entire water area of ​​the Pontic Sea is shot through. well, or Black, whatever you like ... so the problem of removing aircraft is not a problem
You can explain to me, from an engineering point of view, why 0,95M is "Sucks" and 1,2M is "cool"? ....... first you should learn to read Russian in white ... 280 km per second in the current conditions is not enough ... but nevertheless under 1 km per second is the norm ..... so the question of filling .... you ay. no matter. when the thread to hunt for feathered hodle !!! !! if you went there are swifts or swallows in the trophies !!! I don't, but there are many ducks and geese. and even a couple of pheasants. did not count partridges

[nobody75]

if you went there are swifts or swallows in the trophies !!!

One swallow was - and this is not a trophy.

280 km per second is not enough in current conditions

Enough to leave the Solar System ... Perhaps this is a typo of 280 m / s.
Good - 280 m / s is not enough.
Is 380 m / s normal?
Sincerely

[Crimean partisan 1974]

One swallow was - and this is not a trophy ..... see a stray shot, sometimes ... I had it like that in the country, in the bushes sparrows swarmed. I sometimes used to scare them out of the air, and once I didn’t aim and hit them ... in a nightingale. it was a shame ... there was that nightingale with a finger and it had to happen ...
on the topic .... I rushed to correct the error, but apparently I was late .... in general, 380 m per second is already not enough ..... the recent exercises on the Black Sea to intercept the P-35 (1200 km per hour) were successful , all 2
Anti-ship missiles were destroyed ... nevertheless, it is worth noting that the attacks on Progress were frontal ... that is, sideways ... but there is one confusion., And it refers to the distant military events in Vietnam ... to the middle the massacre of US fighters reduced losses from shelling of their S-75 missiles ... ... the convergence speed was up to 1500 m per second, the missile defense fuse was simply delayed and the warhead was detonated when the plane was already out of the affected area ... well, something like that ... it didn't work out compressed ... all the positive aspects ... and it's time for subsonic to be on the shelf of history and not to present them as a miracle weapon

[nobody75]

I cannot agree with you. From my point of view, the flight with high M numbers of domestic anti-ship missiles is a purely marketing ploy. It is explained simply by the reluctance to develop a compact two-mode turbojet engine with subsonic cruising speed and supersonic flight speed. Since the days of Chalomey's company (in which, by the way, Khrushchev Jr. worked), our missilemen have been using ramjet engines in anti-ship missiles. It's kind of easier to design and manufacture.

It can be seen from the above calculation that the efficiency of the ramjet engine at an anti-ship missile speed of 0,5M is only 4,8%. At supersonic speed of 1,5M - 31%. And the maximum efficiency of pvd shows at a speed of 3M - 64%, which is close to the maximum possible efficiency of a heat engine. So I think it's all related to fuel consumption and range. And the "indestructibility" of supersonic anti-ship missiles, in my opinion, is a marketing ploy.
Sincerely

[Crimean partisan 1974]

the "indestructibility" of supersonic anti-ship missiles, in my opinion, is a marketing ploy ... ... this is a delusion for a simple reason, a marketing ploy is to push, shall we say, obviously ineffective products. and in countries that respect themselves, the customer requires the required, in this case the Ministry of Defense. which announces a tender for the acceptance of weapons, everyone has different ways, the Ministry of Defense, by definition, a priori orders only advanced technologies and developments .......... you will not deny that the AKM in a combat situation is worse than a submachine gun, well, let's say PPS (this is perhaps the most successful submachine gun in terms of production and efficiency and reliability)

[nobody75]

I gave the efficiency calculation up there! As a justification. And the modern "Tao" of the PKR, from my humble point of view, is pure TMO. Create an "endless" line at the entrance to the pub.
Sincerely

[Crimean partisan 1974]

we will remain unconvinced ... nevertheless, progress is taking place in the leading countries in supersonic and hypper sound anti-ship missiles. and the rogue will be poured for tanga subsonic

[nobody75]

Okay, let's stay - I'll bargain at the power department - I'll run a simulation.
I will shoot at Talvar with those and these rockets.
Sincerely

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Okay, let's stay - I'll bargain at the power department - I'll conduct a simulation ... if you can share it with me ... I'm not being silly ... really interesting ... but simulators are so so ... a lot to the authors of questions ... ...
for example, my favorite simulator IL-2, there are many questions to the developers of studio C2 ... I hope your department will be more realistic
with RESPECT and Happy Revolution Day, if you do not celebrate Revolution Day, then unofficially with Men's Day, sounds idiotic, but nevertheless

[nobody75]

Thank you - Happy Holidays !!!
I'll go drink some Cognac ...
Sincerely

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Yes, I, too ... in the morning I put a clove for Ilyich ... I'm waiting for the kents, I bought some vodka, let's go and see the mushrooms for one thing .... in short .. good luck and without heart attacks
Sincerely .... you are not a teacher by chance !!! influencing strongly

[Lex_is]

reluctance to develop a compact dual-mode turbojet engine

In my opinion, not so much reluctance as much higher cost and laboriousness of development. There is a huge backlog of ramjet engines, which is used.

[Cyril G ...]

You do not see the Positive or what? The positive was initially for IT and was conceived as a VTS detection station (NLC). The only ship lost is Pennant - they put a POSITIVE instead.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

... the Norwegians have connected ... you see, for the debts they want to chop off the southern land ...

Something new. Insanity is strong, nd.

[Avior]

This is a stealth missile of the latest generation, with the possibility of passive guidance, full use on land, with two-way communication with the carrier.
It’s not a crap.

[Cananecat]

It's not that the rocket sucks ... remember the last change with the constitutional court in / in Ukraine?
I suspect that the money will be outraged, the boats will be built, and, as always, they will refuse to pay, due to the illegality of the transaction. Well, what ... once a ride and another time it will. )))

[donavi49]

the rocket sucks ..

In general, the X-35 (classmate) sucks compared to the NSM. For NSM can fly into passiveness so that they won't even have time to play a combat one. Uranium cannot do this and will be used for it, because it will light up when the GOS is turned on and irradiated.

This is the most modern and advanced anti-ship missile system of the western block to date. The Americans switch to it from Harpoons if that.

[Trojan_wolf]

Squadrons with zhovto-blakitnyy banners ply the oceans ... tremble the enemy!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Trojan_Wolf

Squadrons with zhovto-blakite banners ply the oceans.

You are right, you noticed "surf the oceans". So I noticed that US, British, even Turkish ships are entering Odessa, and indeed all and sundry, but I've never heard that the "ships of the Navy" of Ukraine, at least with some kind of visit (for example, Zelensky) to some port (naval base) of the USA, Britain, Turkey or Iceland. I wonder why ? They do not invite, or did not bother with the attention of the owners, or for another more serious reason.

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Squadrons with zhovto-blakite banners ply the oceans.

You are right, you noticed "surf the oceans". So I noticed that US, British, even Turkish ships are entering Odessa, and indeed all and sundry, but I've never heard that the "ships of the Navy" of Ukraine, at least with some kind of visit (for example, Zelensky) to some port (naval base) of the USA, Britain, Turkey or Iceland. I wonder why ? They do not invite, or did not bother with the attention of the owners, or for another more serious reason.

The real level of the President of Ukraine Zelensky corresponds to the call (on the agenda) to the chief of intelligence of England.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Clear

The real level of the President of Ukraine Zelensky corresponds to the call (on the agenda) to the chief of intelligence of England.

They were summoned to reconnaissance, but they were not allowed to reach the chief. Zela's rank is not the same.

[Clear]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Clear

The real level of the President of Ukraine Zelensky corresponds to the call (on the agenda) to the chief of intelligence of England.

They were summoned to reconnaissance, but they were not allowed to reach the chief. Zela's rank is not the same.

So I am about it. Why are you minus?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Clear

So I am about it. Why are you minus?

So it is the Sumerians who minus you, or the followers of Soros.

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: tihonmarine

but I have never heard that the "ships of the Navy" of Ukraine, at least with some kind of visit (for example Zelensky), entered some port (naval base) of the USA, Britain, Turkey or Iceland. I wonder why ? They do not invite, or did not bother with the attention of the owners, or for another more serious reason.

not lately. But earlier they went in, made a round the world.
But it is generally not customary for Ukrainian presidents to make visits on ships.
They prefer airplanes.
Zelenskiy was on a visit on the flagship this year.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Niel-le-Calais

But it is generally not customary for Ukrainian presidents to make visits on ships.
They prefer airplanes.

Aha on the cruiser "Ukraine" can be.

[rotmistr60]

it is proposed to equip the Norwegian anti-ship missiles Naval Strike Missile (NSM), and not the Ukrainian anti-ship missiles "Neptune"

This means that the cost of the missiles will be added to the cost of the boats, which will need to be purchased, taking into account the expenditures for firing. In addition, like any rocket, they will need to be serviced, and for this you will have to go through some kind of training. How England fuss arming Ukraine and not only for the profit of its military-industrial complex, but also against Russia.

[ANB]

... but for this you have to go through what no,

What for? They will be taken to Norway.
Or they will write off and buy new ones.
This is on credit, which means, according to Ukraine, free of charge. :)

[t-12]

arming Ukraine and not only for the profit of its military-industrial complex, but also against Russia.

Why not repeat the Crimean War, only with the forces not of your own army, but of someone else's cannon fodder?

[Nikolai Petrov]

Most interesting, the ruin will buy. True, on credit, but these troughs will not save the ruin. Even a boat will be expensive for the ruins. There are a lot of freeloaders. In ruins, this is the norm.

[cniza]

So they also believe that the loan can not be given - because there is nothing ...

[Turanov]

Quote: cniza

So they also believe that the loan can not be given - because there is nothing ...

They hope to move everything to Russia later .. Because in Kiev the temporary workers sat down on the suitcases of the loot, many have already disappeared to Canada, Israel, etc.

[cniza]

They always want goodies, only this time they will break off from Russia ...

[Turanov]

Quote: cniza

They always want goodies, only this time they will break off from Russia ...

Yes, Viktor breaks off (their lawyers are the world's wolves) Gazprom is shaken by billions, but Russia will still build a bypass gas pipeline .. The Baltic states are sad, Lukashenko blocked the smuggling channel for them and Russia redirected freight flows))) Everything is just beginning .. and not milking Russia out of habit and still throwing mud at her while laughing ..

[cniza]

Vitaly, this is not their merit, it is the West that rules against Russia, but the time will come and we will take off three skins from them ... it looks like territories will suit us ...

[Turanov]

Quote: cniza

Vitaly, this is not their merit, it is the West that rules against Russia, but the time will come and we will take off three skins from them ... it looks like territories will suit us ...

Of course not them and they did not even get this money, they wrote off everything as a debt (they only signed and bowed)))
"All-Union" debriefing will come and will be very tough and don't care which side of the skullcap or the hat is tilted (there is such an anecdote))) .. Russia is already different.

[cniza]

And the time is different, and the generation is new, and the price is different, so let them get ready ...

[Turanov]

Quote: cniza

And the time is different, and the generation is new, and the price is different, so let them get ready ...

Let wills be written for orphanages and homes for the disabled ..

[Clear]

Quote: cniza

only this time from Russia it will break off ..

It was long ago to see the light.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

Most interesting, the ruin will buy. True on credit

That's it on credit. I don’t remember someone who said a long time ago - "The rich buy goods for cash, the poor in installments, and the poor on credit."

[Turanov]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

Most interesting, the ruin will buy. True on credit

That's it on credit. I don’t remember someone who said a long time ago - "The rich buy goods for cash, the poor in installments, and the poor on credit."

And then the debts will be thrown off on Russia, when everything has already been plundered, up to the black earth and burial grounds of yao waste will be everywhere ..
PS They will not give us Ukraine so easily until they destroy everything there .. And then they will wave with a "generous hand" to take these rogues, they are no longer interesting to us ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Turanov

They won't give us Ukraine so easily until they destroy everything there

Now Ukraine itself will not agree to join with Russia, they have already done a good job there for 30 years. And in Russia, in order to take Ukraine, J.V. Stalin must appear.

[Turanov]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Turanov

They won't give us Ukraine so easily until they destroy everything there

Now Ukraine itself will not agree to join with Russia, they have already done a good job there for 30 years. And in Russia, in order to take Ukraine, J.V. Stalin must appear.

My dear will go, after the Banderaites again hide in their caches, waiting in the wings and the Sudoplatovs!
And you will want to eat .. (after all, they even forbid lard to produce their own))))
Such an Outskirts of Russia is not needed, except for its ports, even if they were looted. Let them farm)))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Turanov

My dear will go, after the Banderaites again hide in their caches, waiting in the wings and the Sudoplatovs!

But so far they are in the government and the Verkhovna Rada, and the true patriots have to hide, not the Banderaites. And their caches are like palaces and teremts.

[cniza]

The missile boats, which Britain intends to build for Ukraine, are proposed to be equipped with Norwegian Naval Strike Missile (NSM) anti-ship missiles, and not Ukrainian anti-ship missiles "Neptune".

They will rip off to the last thread ...

[Clear]

Quote: cniza

The missile boats, which Britain intends to build for Ukraine, are proposed to be equipped with Norwegian Naval Strike Missile (NSM) anti-ship missiles, and not Ukrainian anti-ship missiles "Neptune".

They will rip off to the last thread ...

Because this is the market!

[cniza]

Yeah, only forced and with one seller ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Clear

Because this is the market!

Well, you noticed that if you didn't grow vegetables at your dacha, run to the bazaar, and there they will tear off the aliks and shura from you into the tridoroga. If you don't like it, don't take it, go through the bazaar, find it cheaper (and there are only aliks and shura in the bazaar).

[askort154]

At the same time, London offers Kiev to build eight boats with funds allocated as a loan for 10 years.

It is immediately evident that the British still know little about modern Ukraine.
If she is still alive in 10 years, she will be able to pay - only in kind.

[maktub]

According to the signed agreement, which has been repeatedly written about, two boats will be built in Great Britain, the other six in Ukraine.
Most likely at the Nibulon enterprise, because it has the most modern equipment

[Kerensky]

It seemed to me in the picture that he had outboard motors ...

[Turanov]

Ukraine is turning into a garbage dump of decommissioned NATO junk .. And they probably rejoice, and they are not taking a little money from them.
But Ukraine used to produce missile and aircraft equipment, built aircraft carriers, tanks, etc.
Shame and contempt from the entire Soviet people

[maktub]

Here you are, to put it mildly, mistaken, the boats will be of a completely new project. (There are only the parameters of the "Wishlist")
Nobody except the "top" is aware of the details of the project, which by the way is surprising to everyone

[yfast]

Quote: Turanov

Ukraine turns into a trash heap of decommissioned NATO junk

It will be easier to get samples.

[Avior]

This has long been known.
The British are creating a project taking into account the possibility of replacing the NSM launchers,

[Avior]

It has long been agreed that it will be possible to replace missiles with Neptune launchers, missiles of approximately the same class in size.
But the NSM is a new generation stealth missile, with an anti-jamming seeker of a completely different level than the Harpoon and its clones, which is inferior in its seeker only to LRASM.
The Americans are also switching to NSM as a lightweight universal RC.
The price, of course, is certainly more expensive, but the capabilities of the rocket are higher than the Harpoon, of course.

[orionvitt]

it is proposed to equip the Norwegian anti-ship missiles Naval Strike Missile (NSM), and not the Ukrainian anti-ship missiles "Neptune"

But what about the "newest superfood" Neptune? They tried so hard, they trumped the whole world, and now, on you. happy joy.

RCC two-stage subsonic with a range of 185 km

Awl for soap. Something old, that's from there.

[APASUS]

Redrawn yacht for walking, with machine guns and rockets, and even outboard motors ........ tin!

[Avior]

The motors are there on the speedboat.

[Turanov]

Quote: APASUS

Redrawn yacht for walking, with machine guns and rockets, and even outboard motors ........ tin!

Yes, let them be proud and jump until the motors jam ..))))

[lvov_aleksey]

curve article - where is the amount?

[Zomanus]

Well, this is still a promise ... Although the boat is beautiful.