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The airborne troops will be the first to fully re-equip the ATGM "Kornet"

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The airborne troops will be the first to fully re-equip the ATGM "Kornet"

The Airborne Forces will be the first in the Russian armed forces to fully switch to the Kornet anti-tank missile systems (ATGM), and the re-equipment of the Airborne Forces has already begun. Reported by "News" with reference to sources in the Ministry of Defense.


The Ministry of Defense has made a fundamental decision on the large-scale rearmament of the Airborne Forces on the Kornet ATGM, the newspaper writes. The main deliveries of the anti-tank complex will start next year, 2021, but the paratroopers have already begun to receive the "Cornets" in a portable version. Subsequently, the ATGM will be delivered both in portable and mobile versions on a wheeled and tracked chassis.

Over time, according to the plans of the Ministry of Defense, the Kornet ATGM should completely replace the Fagot, Konkurs and Metis anti-tank systems currently in use in the Airborne Forces.

(...) from December this year, for the first time, the training of commanders of the calculation of a new generation anti-tank missile system will begin

- said the head of the 242nd training center of the Airborne Forces, Colonel Vitaly Teryokhin.

Also, the Ministry of Defense announced plans to complete state tests of the Kornet-D1 ATGM on the tracked chassis of the BMD-4M airborne assault vehicle in the near future. These complexes will be used by anti-tank artillery battalions of the Airborne Forces.

Note that the Airborne Forces are currently at the stage of reform. It is planned to turn them into rapid reaction forces, and in the future - autonomous units capable of independently solving a wide range of tasks in their area of ​​responsibility.
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  1. egor1712
    egor1712 5 November 2020 12: 12
    +4
    very well!
  2. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 5 November 2020 12: 15
    20
    Wow ... And I thought that the main ATGM we have is the Cornet. It turns out that the previous generation is still in bulk.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 5 November 2020 12: 16
    -2
    Only now, it would not hurt to create a third generation ATGM, otherwise even the Indians and the Chinese have overtaken us here!
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 5 November 2020 12: 40
      +2
      Everything is as always - minuses wagon, without a desire to explain from whom, and for what exactly? It is difficult to argue with invisible pseudo-opponents, all the more so when there are no arguments from their side. ...
      1. Rockerman
        Rockerman 5 November 2020 13: 12
        -2
        Well, obviously, the minuses were thrown by those who do not agree with your statement about the backwardness of domestic ATGMs from Indian and Chinese counterparts.
        At the same time, they are not obliged to subscribe.
      2. gurzuf
        gurzuf 5 November 2020 13: 47
        +2
        Probably because I paraphrase you - when from your side there are no arguments in your statement from you. ...
        1. Prahlad
          Prahlad 5 November 2020 16: 14
          -2
          And here there is nothing to argue and it is clear that 3 generations are better than this cornet.
      3. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 5 November 2020 19: 10
        -2
        Quote: Thrifty
        Everything is as always - minuses wagon, without a desire to explain from whom, and for what exactly?

        well, what do you want? They wrote nonsense here and minus.
        Quote: Thrifty
        It is difficult to argue with invisible pseudo-opponents, all the more so when there are no arguments from their side. ...

        are you going to argue?
        the cornet is 10 times cheaper than the same javelin and at the same time has proven its effectiveness in contrast to the American. What do you think is more needed in a war, an ATGM that destroys tanks or a device with a glass in front and a fashionable webcam?
        just don't need noodles about "fire and forget" wink before you shoot and forget you still need to capture the target sticking out in the line of fire.
        1. Petio
          Petio 5 November 2020 19: 56
          0
          20 percent of the long-range third generation to shoot at 10-20 km and 80 percent of the type of Cornet and Chrysanthemum. Of course, Hermes is also a plus UAV for reconnaissance and illumination
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 5 November 2020 20: 09
            +1
            Quote: Petio
            20 percent long-range third generation
            while one of the distinguishing features of the third generation is the prohibitive price and complexity of production. what for? IMHO Lancet is more promising, and its range is not 8 like a spike, but 40. Reduce its cost to a portable ATGM and it will be an excellent help to the infantry.
            Quote: Petio
            Of course, Hermes is also a plus UAV for reconnaissance and illumination
            in fact, Hermes, according to the manufacturers, has a multichannel seeker, not only laser but also radar. Again, for a cheaper wunderwafe with a webcam, also supersonic, in contrast to spikes.
            we with the USA went our separate ways and ours is more promising in my opinion request
      4. abc_alex
        abc_alex 6 November 2020 02: 09
        0
        Quote: Thrifty
        Everything is as always - minuses wagon, without a desire to explain from whom, and for what exactly? It is difficult to argue with invisible pseudo-opponents, all the more so when there are no arguments from their side. ...

        Yes, they have already explained it many times. At least 3 points.
        1) the effectiveness of the existing Russian-made ATGM systems is sufficient to confidently defeat the main tanks of NATO countries, and the guided missile is more versatile than the homing missile.
        2) today there is no reliable algorithm for recognizing targets against the background of the ground and buildings, where the telescopic guidance of the "spike" type is more promising.
        3) shooting with disposable radars and thermal imagers is too expensive even for an army with a budget of 800 billion dollars, so the US ground units are armed with disposable anti-tank grenade launchers and simpler ATGMs without a seeker, so there is no point in spending money on something that cannot be massively supplied to the troops.
      5. Alien From
        Alien From 7 November 2020 09: 57
        +1
        You yourself know the number of pseudo patriots here.
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 6 November 2020 12: 25
      -2
      Quote: Thrifty
      Only now, it would not hurt to create a third generation ATGM, otherwise even the Indians and the Chinese have overtaken us here!

      Don't like the Cornet?
      Personally, you will be given this. Incidentally, the latest and most advanced model in its class laughing

      By the way, "pokaleenie" - is it from "feces" or "maim"?
  4. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 5 November 2020 12: 32
    +3
    The best soldiers are the best weapons !!!
  5. DEVIL LIFE`S
    DEVIL LIFE`S 5 November 2020 12: 49
    0
    It is a pity that there is no system "fire - forget".
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 November 2020 14: 10
      +1
      The cornet is already morally outdated, it can only work in open areas with direct visibility of the enemy. Russia needs to create an analogue of the French MMP or Israeli Spike.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 6 November 2020 13: 09
        +2
        Well, there are disadvantages for you .. I also do not understand when they begin to put into service in large quantities something that should have stood for twenty years. Moreover, the latest exercises and the Army forum show that not everything is normal with the ATGM, and with their calculations and their preparation.
  6. fn34440
    fn34440 5 November 2020 12: 57
    +3
    Our "Cornet" is a 2+ generation weapon.
    Israeli "Spikes", which were purchased by Turkey and Azerbaijan and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, belong to generation # 4, and some samples to the fifth.
    The long-range "Spike" is capable of shooting at 8000 m. ("Cornet" - at 5000 m) The control system is also combined - seeker plus wires. These missiles with a tandem cumulative warhead have the highest power - their armor penetration reaches 1000 mm. This ATGM is not portable, it is designed to be mounted on a wheeled chassis.

    However, first of all it is necessary to pay attention to the French ATGM MMP (Missile moyenne portée), which has an original concept and its excellent engineering embodiment. The complex is capable of operating in several modes with different guidance methods, and all this is implemented in the volume of one universal missile and one launcher.

    MMP is capable of striking not only tanks (its tandem cumulative warhead penetrates 1000 mm of homogeneous armor), but also other military equipment, including non-contrasting in the infrared spectrum, and engineering structures, punching two-meter thick concrete slabs. There is a mode of "inflicting minimal damage", in which the fuse is turned off and the defeat is inflicted in a kinetic way.

    The complex is equipped with several hardware targeting instruments. Thermal imaging uncooled seeker. Television seeker. A laser rangefinder, the beam of which can be used to guide the missile to the target, as is done in the Kornet. A fiber optic cable designed to exchange visual and command information between the missile and the launcher.


    The operator of the complex independently chooses the mode that is optimal for hitting certain targets. That is, the MMP can work as an ATGM of both generation 3-4, and generation 2+, and generation 2 with wired control. The missile can be launched both in a straight line and with an attack on the upper part of the MBT.

    The French complex is capable of doing everything the Javelin and Cornet can do. In this case, the firing range reaches 5 km. It is possible to launch an ATGM in pairs, provided that several missiles are placed on a mobile chassis. Retargeting of a flying missile is possible.

    But there are additional capabilities that neither American, nor Russian, nor Israeli ATGMs have. This is shooting from a closed position when the target is not visible. In this case, the operator launches the missile towards the target. When the rocket approaches the target, the operator begins to see its image coming from the television seeker via cable. And it turns on the target acquisition mode of the seeker or starts to accompany the missile in manual mode.
    "Cornet" needs to catch up with fellows, reduce dimensions and weight, improve and expand the range of ammunition, ie. follow modern requirements
    1. Prahlad
      Prahlad 5 November 2020 13: 08
      -4
      Unfortunately, we are not able to do this, although they say here that there is no order, but most likely there is no technology. It's all sad ...
      1. JD1979
        JD1979 5 November 2020 13: 39
        +4
        Quote: Prahlad
        Unfortunately, we are not able to do this, although they say here that there is no order, but most likely there is no technology. It's all sad ...

        Well, yes, no one will sell the equipment necessary for the production of such multifunctional heads, even the Chinese, but they themselves are 20 years behind, and the lag is only growing, since all the "dairy pig complexes", "oil and gas refineries", GOKs, and others that are actively being built not geared towards producing the right components. As a cow does not feed, it will not give loose powder and other complex electrical component products instead of SMD milk. That is why nothing but the single-task GOS Verba, and even then the heiress of the USSR, can now be produced.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 5 November 2020 17: 44
          -1
          They can do it - only it will cost three or four times more expensive than the Kornet rocket - of course, the Ministry of Defense will not buy them, and even with the development of kamikaze drones, the question itself arises whether there is a need for such ATGMs.
          1. JD1979
            JD1979 5 November 2020 18: 37
            +4
            Quote: Vadim237
            They can do it - only it will cost three or four times more expensive than the Kornet rocket - of course, the Ministry of Defense will not buy them, and even with the development of kamikaze drones, the question itself arises whether there is a need for such ATGMs.

            How much would you rate your life compared to the cost of 3rd generation ATGMs and the chances of survivability when you are on these sheds, which you disguise and leave while the rocket is being guided, when against you there is some conventional enemy sitting in greenery and the 3rd generation ?
            Regarding your question about the need ... And many drones successfully attacked the same base in Syria, with an adequate air defense system. The UAV is a good tool, but not a wunderwolf.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 5 November 2020 22: 46
              -1
              I do not estimate - the Ministry of Defense evaluates and yes, a kamikaze drone in this regard will be much more effective than ATGMs of 3 and subsequent generations in the mountains in forest areas in urban conditions, and warheads for them can be taken from the same RPO RMG RPG 29, etc. And what the militants used in our base was pure handicraft done on the knee. Now the concept of wars comes down to the fact that to hit the enemy from the first shot - kamikaze drones and shock drones fully meet this requirement.
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 5 November 2020 13: 11
      +1
      Your words. Yes to the right ears. Moreover, so that they would not just hear but listen.
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 5 November 2020 13: 30
      +2
      Quote: fn34440
      Long-range "Spike" is capable of shooting at 8000 m. ("Cornet" - at 5000 m)

      Cornet-EM - firing range 8/10 km for HEAT / HE ammunition.
      Quote: fn34440
      These missiles with a tandem cumulative warhead have the highest power - their armor penetration reaches 1000 mm

      For the Cornet, at least 1000 mm is declared.

      Where do you get the information from?
      1. Professor
        Professor 5 November 2020 13: 50
        +3
        1. The cornet strikes only in the forehead, illuminating the target in front of it with a laser with a PU.
        2. As the firing distance increases, the Cornet's accuracy drops as the aiming is carried out from the launcher. GOS is absent.
        3. The probability of hitting a target the size of a tank from a Cornet at a distance of 10 m tends to zero.

        However, if the Cornet gets into the tank, then the tank will not be envied.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 5 November 2020 14: 08
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          The probability of hitting a target the size of a tank from a Cornet at a distance of 10m tends to zero.

          Of course, the ultimate firing range for any weapon system is inversely related to accuracy.
          But let's do without unfounded words. Respect yourself and others.
          And my words were about very specific inaccuracies in the words of fn34440.
          No more and no less.
          1. Professor
            Professor 5 November 2020 15: 18
            +2
            Quote: Flood
            Of course, the ultimate firing range for any weapon system is inversely related to accuracy.
            But let's do without unfounded words. Respect yourself and others.
            And my words were about very specific inaccuracies in the words of fn34440.
            No more and no less.

            This is when you control a missile from a launcher. When you do this with the seeker, the closer you get to the target, the accuracy of the missile increases.
            The gossip is to declare the ability of the Cornet to hit a target at a distance of 10 km.
            There are no complaints against you personally.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 5 November 2020 14: 16
          0
          The probability of hitting a target the size of a tank from a Cornet at a distance of 10m tends to zero. Most likely, for such a range, the tracking and targeting system in the automatic mode was finalized, but the Cornet can only attack with direct visibility of the target, that is, the maximum range of destruction will be provided only on the plain or when shooting from mountains or mountains.
          1. JD1979
            JD1979 5 November 2020 19: 02
            +4
            Your backbones probably live on salt lakes or on the seashore, where you can still find a free flat space of 10 km, living in the middle lane in 99% of cases I see open spaces a maximum of 1 km, and then outside the city.
            1. abc_alex
              abc_alex 6 November 2020 02: 48
              0
              Quote: JD1979
              Your backbones probably live on salt lakes or on the seashore, where you can still find a free flat space of 10 km, living in the middle lane in 99% of cases I see open spaces a maximum of 1 km, and then outside the city.

              Do the Israeli ATGMs with a wire behind a missile bother you? :) In the middle lane, in 99% of cases, the cable will break off, hitting for something :)
        3. abc_alex
          abc_alex 6 November 2020 03: 08
          0
          Quote: Professor
          1. The cornet strikes only in the forehead, illuminating the target in front of it with a laser with a PU.

          Professor, are you again? The cornet does not light up anything before this, and even in the forehead. Target search and aiming is carried out using a thermal imaging sight and the laser shines "into the missile", providing an "information beam".

          Quote: Professor
          3. The probability of hitting a target the size of a tank from a Cornet at a distance of 10 m tends to zero.

          And you will see her for 10 kilometers then? From such a distance you won't hit her even from a tank. :)
          All such systems are not limited by the capabilities of electronics and missiles, but by the horizon. Over-the-horizon shooting is a separate story.

          Quote: Professor
          2. As the firing distance increases, the Cornet's accuracy drops as the aiming is carried out from the launcher.

          So what? Well, he gives a spread of 5,5 kilometers 20 centimeters. Does this somehow save the tank? You can take two PUs and give a doublet. At 5,5 km, the probability of hitting is 0,8. Isn't that enough?
          :)
          1. Professor
            Professor 6 November 2020 08: 13
            +3
            Quote: abc_alex
            Professor, are you again? The cornet does not light up anything before this, and even in the forehead. Target search and aiming is carried out using a thermal imaging sight and the laser shines "into the missile", providing an "information beam".

            Materiel. PU shines a laser at the tail of the Cornet while guiding the missile over the target at the initial stage of the trajectory. "Laser trail". Hundreds of meters before the target, the launcher leads the missile directly to the target and the laser beam irradiates the target as the missile enters and exits the "laser trail", while the laser beam itself irradiates the target. By the way, it is for this reason that the operator must set the range on the launcher. Moreover, to determine the range, the target is again irradiated. Glow again.

            Quote: abc_alex
            And you will see her for 10 kilometers then? From such a distance you won't hit her even from a tank. :)
            All such systems are not limited by the capabilities of electronics and missiles, but by the horizon. Over-the-horizon shooting is a separate story.

            This is what I am writing about. 10 km is the distance that the rocket is capable of flying technically. She is not capable of getting into the tank. Therefore, it is not correct to write "range of destruction of 10 km".

            Quote: abc_alex
            So what? Well, he gives a spread of 5,5 kilometers 20 centimeters. Does this somehow save the tank? You can take two PUs and give a doublet. At 5,5 km, the probability of hitting is 0,8. Isn't that enough?
            :)

            At 5.5 km, the "angular error" is much greater than 0.2 m. PU vibration with an amplitude of 1 mm will lead to a miss on the target at a distance of even 3 km. And if the operator's hands are shaking? wink This does not happen on missiles with a seeker.
            The probability of hitting 0.8 is at the range. And this is not enough. The probability of hitting with a doublet is 0.64.
            1. abc_alex
              abc_alex 7 November 2020 03: 07
              -1
              Quote: Professor
              By the way, it is for this reason that the operator must set the range on the launcher. Moreover, to determine the range, the target is again irradiated. Glow again.


              Well, it doesn't "shine on the forehead." Systems requiring laser illumination "shine on the forehead".

              Quote: Professor
              She is not capable of getting into the tank. Therefore, it is not correct to write "range of destruction 10 km".

              You are both right and wrong at the same time. Kornet, after developing other types of warheads, turned into a universal firing complex. If you look at the tank, then yes, you can't see it further than 5 km. But for a building or an airplane at an airfield, and even being on a hill - quite. Therefore, the "10-kilometer" missile is a high-explosive warhead. And the "8-kilometer" OD and tandem-cumulative.


              Quote: Professor
              At 5.5 km, the "angular error" is much greater than 0.2 m.

              Nothing like this. The size of a standard target at the range for firing heavy ATGMs is ~ 50x20 cm. These are the same 5 km. They even fall in doublets.

              Quote: Professor
              And if the operator's hands are shaking?

              :)
              Well, in order to shake the Cornet, you need to go over very hard the day before :) Here you don't need a tremor, but a specific beater with a magnitude of a couple of points on the Richter scale. :) Cornet easel complex, either on a tripod, or on combat vehicles.

              Quote: Professor
              This does not happen on missiles with a seeker.


              And if the operator's eyes are watery? wink

              Quote: Professor
              The probability of hitting 0.8 is at the range. And this is not enough.

              Fine. Considering that our developers will never draw even 0,95 at all, that's fine.
              Moreover, evil tongues say that missiles with a seeker also have no ice at all with the probability of defeat. That, for example, Javelins are capable of independently hitting a target at a distance of no more than 2,5 km, and then the probability of defeat drops significantly. And the same Hellfire with the GOS, even at the landfill, does not hesitate to heaps of rubble heated in the sun. :)
              1. Professor
                Professor 7 November 2020 13: 52
                +3
                Quote: abc_alex
                Well, it doesn't "shine on the forehead." Systems requiring laser illumination "shine on the forehead".

                Shines. Thus revealing itself. And the laser rangefinder shines warning that "they will shoot at you"

                Quote: abc_alex
                You are both right and wrong at the same time. Kornet, after developing other types of warheads, turned into a universal firing complex. If you look at the tank, then yes, you can't see it further than 5 km. But for a building or an airplane at an airfield, and even being on a hill - quite. Therefore, the "10-kilometer" missile is a high-explosive warhead. And the "8-kilometer" OD and tandem-cumulative.

                "Cornet" is an ATGM and the fact that, due to its inability to hit a target the size of a tank, it was decided to use it against stadiums does not change its definition as an ATGM.

                Quote: abc_alex
                Nothing like this. The size of a standard target at the range for firing heavy ATGMs is ~ 50x20 cm. These are the same 5 km. They even fall in doublets.

                I have a twenty-fold LOMO telescope. Optics with similar characteristics are installed on the Kornet's PU. Now I am observing the intersection at a distance of 4580 meters. I very much doubt the operator's ability to keep the mark on a stationary target 50x20 cm in size. I will not say anything about a moving target.

                Quote: abc_alex
                Well, in order to shake the Cornet, you need to go over very hard the day before :) Here you don't need a tremor, but a specific beater with a magnitude of a couple of points on the Richter scale. :) Cornet easel complex, either on a tripod, or on combat vehicles.

                Cornet is a stationary complex, but vibrations are present. Especially with a complex mounted on a car chassis. At distances of 4000+ meters, vibrations become critical. The GOS would solve this problem.

                Quote: abc_alex
                And if the operator's eyes are watery?

                In this case, there is a "fire-forget" function.

                Quote: abc_alex
                Fine. Considering that our developers will never draw even 0,95 at all, that's fine.
                Moreover, evil tongues say that missiles with a seeker also have no ice at all with the probability of defeat. That, for example, Javelins are capable of independently hitting a target at a distance of no more than 2,5 km, and then the probability of defeat drops significantly. And the same Hellfire with the GOS, even at the landfill, does not hesitate to heaps of rubble heated in the sun. :)

                Developers will not draw 0.95, because then clients will drag them through the courts.
                Javelites are ancient complexes. Let's take a look at more modern versions.
                From the landfill


                From the battlefield
                1. abc_alex
                  abc_alex 22 November 2020 23: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  Shines. Thus revealing itself. And the laser rangefinder shines warning that "they will shoot at you"

                  So am I arguing that the "flying camera" concept is better?

                  Quote: Professor
                  "Cornet" is an ATGM and the fact that, due to its inability to hit a target the size of a tank, it was decided to use it against stadiums does not change its definition as an ATGM.

                  Where did you get this from? Have you come up with it yourself?
                  I assure you, this is not what you think :) It's just that from the moment when "Attack" was made several warheads and turned into a universal missile system, the idea of ​​different BB "infected" the military. Now even the "Whirlwind" is coming up with the PF BB, although it was originally an ATGM from ATGMs. Now universalism rules.

                  Quote: Professor
                  I have a twenty-fold LOMO telescope. Optics with similar characteristics are installed on the Kornet's PU. Now I am observing the intersection at a distance of 4580 meters. I very much doubt the operator's ability to keep the mark on a stationary target 50x20 cm in size. I will not say anything about a moving target.


                  Well, I won't invite you to the training ground. But if he sees her, he will keep her. You can hold your pipe on the object. Although it is necessary to teach, of course.

                  Quote: Professor
                  Cornet is a stationary complex, but vibrations are present. Especially with a complex mounted on a car chassis. At distances of 4000+ meters, vibrations become critical. The GOS would solve this problem.

                  Professor, telecontrolled rockets are fired from helicopters that shake and even ships that are rocking. To compensate for all this, there is an automatic target hold. I don't know what they came up with on the wheeled chassis about this, but they probably managed somehow. Although I, for example, do not understand why, for the sake of a weapon that was originally designed for stealth use, put on the roof of an SUV ...

                  Quote: Professor
                  In this case, there is a "fire-forget" function.

                  Which is not the same as "shot and hit". You can forget that without a function.

                  Quote: Professor
                  Developers will not draw 0.95, because then clients will drag them through the courts.

                  Yes, there are no mass landings planned with the F-35. And how many of the promised fiction turned out to be not realized. And with Railgun and Zumwalt ... Who and when managed to drag the arms manufacturer through the courts? I'm just curious.

                  And professor, what you showed is not the GOS. This is a "flying camera", telecontrol. The dream of the creators of the UR in the USSR since the 70s. Then the dimensions of the cameras did not allow. Then the 90s. Now there is a rout in microelectronics.
                  This SD is almost ideal. Without any. Simple, reliable. Respect.
    4. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 5 November 2020 14: 08
      +3
      Quote: fn34440
      Our "Cornet" is a 2+ generation weapon.
      Israeli "Spikes", which were purchased by Turkey and Azerbaijan and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, belong to generation # 4, and some samples to the fifth.

      The article mentions "Cornet-D1". This is a self-propelled complex ... which means it is likely that the Airborne Forces are going to be equipped with Kornet-D anti-tank guns, which means the range is not 5 km, but 8-10 km! The MMP ATGM on tests hit targets at a distance of 5 km, but it was calculated for 4 km ... the optimal (guaranteed (!) Range of destruction) is 2,5 km ... The RTRK MMP does not use a guidance system similar to the Kornet system "(that is," laser-beam "!) Moreover, it is doubtful the statement that laser homing can be used! Such a "thought" can be found in "Karpenko Bastion", which has already been seen in "fictions from the ceiling"! It is possible that I came across in the first articles on the development of MMR that "it is possible (!) The principle of laser homing will be implemented ..." But in many articles this was not confirmed! The French are going to implement the principle of laser homing in their other development with a "round-the-clock" seeker!
    5. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 5 November 2020 14: 50
      +2
      The range of destruction of ATGM Kornet-EM is 10 km.
      Recently, the Russian army has demonstrated a new Kornet-EM anti-tank missile system (ATGM). It can be used both separately and placed on an armored vehicle on a Tiger wheeled chassis. The machine is equipped with two installations at once. Each has four missiles. In total, the self-propelled complex can hit eight targets without reloading.

      Kornet-EM is a new generation rocket. The launcher is equipped with day and night sighting equipment. A laser rangefinder with a range of up to 10 kilometers is also used. The missile is capable of penetrating any defense, including reactive armor and armor of 1100-1300 millimeters. Kornet-EM destroys all types of tanks within the radius of destruction, said Chinese analyst Sohu.

      In the production of the Russian anti-tank missile system, fiber-optic guidance is not used, as for similar technologies in other countries. At the same time, "Cornet-EM" has the same range and can withstand the latest American tank models M1A2 "Abrams" ....
      Source: https://politexpert.net/220530-v-sohu-voskhitilis-praktichnostyu-protivotankovoi-ustanovki-kornet-em
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 5 November 2020 16: 08
        0
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        The range of destruction of ATGM Kornet-EM 10 km

        My, what? Is it not necessary to take into account that Kornet-EM is an export version, while Kornet-D is intended for the Russian Armed Forces? belay
    6. CSKA
      CSKA 5 November 2020 15: 18
      0
      Quote: fn34440
      Israeli "Spikes", which were purchased by Turkey and Azerbaijan and the Armed Forces of Ukraine,

      I didn't buy them.
      Quote: fn34440
      belong to generation # 4, and some samples to the fifth.

      ))))) Spike belongs to the 3rd generation. 4 have not been done yet, but you already have 5.))))
      Quote: fn34440
      The long-range Spike is capable of shooting at 8000 m.

      In the variant on armored vehicles, not manual.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 5 November 2020 16: 25
        +2
        Quote: CSKA
        Spike belongs to the 3rd generation. 4 have not been done yet, but you already have 5.

        The terms "4,5 generations" may not have been officially defined yet ... in any case, when I read an article about the classification of ATGMs once ... it was so! Someone used these terms ... some did not ... But, actually, there is a specific difference! 1. Generation 3: "I saw, I fired, I forgot"; generation 4: "fired, specified, corrected, forgot / fired, specified, corrected, followed"; generation 5: "shot, specified, corrected, tracked / changed my mind (waited), re-aimed at another target ... Something like that ... something like that ...
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 6 November 2020 09: 49
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          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          1. Generation 3: "I saw, I shot, I forgot"; generation 4: "fired, specified, corrected, forgot / fired, specified, corrected, followed"; generation 5: "shot, specified, corrected, tracked / changed my mind (waited), re-aimed at another target ... Something like that ... something like that ...

          They wrote it right, but no one has done 4 and 5 yet.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 6 November 2020 11: 46
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            Quote: CSKA
            only 4 and 5 have not been done yet.

            Oh is it? The same MMR can be attributed to the "four" ... Some modifications of the "spikes" ... among the Israelis you can find some more of the latest missile weapons, which can be attributed to the "four", if not the "five" .. In any case, the Israelis themselves think so ...
    7. abc_alex
      abc_alex 6 November 2020 02: 45
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      Quote: fn34440
      However, first of all it is necessary to pay attention to the French ATGM MMP (Missile moyenne portée), which has an original concept and its excellent engineering embodiment. The complex is capable of operating in several modes with different guidance methods, and all this is implemented in the volume of one universal missile and one launcher.


      Are you seriously? Do you consider this to be a fundamentally different concept compared to this?

      How does one telecontrol differ from another?

      Quote: fn34440
      MMP is capable of hitting not only tanks (its tandem cumulative warhead penetrates 1000 mm of homogeneous armor), but also other military equipment, including low contrast in the infrared spectrum, and engineering structures, punching concrete slabs of two meters thick. There is a mode of "inflicting minimal damage", in which the fuse is turned off and the defeat is inflicted in a kinetic way.

      It is capable of itself, with visual aiming at 4 lenses :). Well, the mode without undermining is some kind of nonsense bells and whistles. Hit the head with a rocket?

      Quote: fn34440
      MMP is capable of hitting not only tanks (its tandem cumulative warhead penetrates 1000 mm of homogeneous armor)

      For domestic warheads, this parameter is a deep "yesterday". And the French tested this ATGM in 2015. From the point of view of the striking effect, the French have absolutely nothing to be proud of.

      Quote: fn34440
      The complex is equipped with several hardware targeting instruments. Thermal imaging uncooled seeker. Television seeker. A laser rangefinder, the beam of which can be used to guide the missile to the target, as is done in the Kornet. A fiber optic cable designed to exchange visual and command information between the missile and the launcher.


      Some kind of porridge. If there is laser guidance, and even a rangefinder, why do we need two seeker? Even the US doesn't do that. And if there is an optical cable behind the rocket, then the presence of a seeker on the rocket is all the more unclear. Just a two-spectrum camera, like the Israelis, is enough. All the same, aiming better than a man with his eyes, the machine will not be able to.

      Quote: fn34440
      The missile can be launched both in a straight line and with an attack on the upper part of the MBT.

      Then why "meter" armor penetration? The US Javelin has 600. Why such an overkill?

      Quote: fn34440
      shooting from a closed position when the target is not visible. In this case, the operator launches the missile towards the target.


      And how does he know the direction to the target? Will someone point a finger? And what prevents the Israeli "Spike" from working on the same algorithm? If there is an online picture of a rocket, then you can release it, even vertically. Then fly around in a circle and attack the target. :)


      Quote: fn34440
      "Cornet" needs to catch up with fellows

      Catching up? :)
      The cornet was developed in 1988-1994. And in 2006, the Arabs were already shooting Israeli tanks at them. And the French conducted the first military tests of their ATGM only in 2015. How do you propose to "catch up" with a system that was developed 20 years later? It's like asking the T-26 to catch up with the T-34. Or La-5FN catch up with the MiG-25.
      "Cornet" is an old complex and it should have been put into service on a massive scale long ago. Unfortunately, the 90s have re-isolated everything, and today we have to adopt samples that would have been written off if the USSR had been preserved.

      By the way, you are wrong. The cornet is capable of shooting at a distance of up to 10 km.
      1. Professor
        Professor 6 November 2020 08: 18
        +4
        Quote: abc_alex
        How does one telecontrol differ from another?

        The fact that in the first case the camera is on the missile and as the missile approaches the target the probability of hitting increases, and in the second case the "camera" is on the launcher and as the missile approaches the target the probability of hitting decreases. This explains the almost impossibility of getting from the Cornet into a tank at a distance of 8-10 km.
        1. abc_alex
          abc_alex 7 November 2020 03: 11
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          Quote: Professor
          The fact that in the first case the camera is on the missile and as the missile approaches the target the probability of hitting increases, and in the second case the "camera" is on the launcher and as the missile approaches the target the probability of hitting decreases. This explains the almost impossibility of getting from the Cornet into a tank at a distance of 8-10 km.


          Yes, if only! I would not be jerky. The French combined a hedgehog with a snake. They did that and that. The concept of "spike" is completely clear and logical to me. But the French were frankly cheating in my opinion. No? And this and this and this and that. And we can also hit on the head with a rocket.
          1. Professor
            Professor 7 November 2020 14: 06
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            Quote: abc_alex
            Quote: Professor
            The fact that in the first case the camera is on the missile and as the missile approaches the target the probability of hitting increases, and in the second case the "camera" is on the launcher and as the missile approaches the target the probability of hitting decreases. This explains the almost impossibility of getting from the Cornet into a tank at a distance of 8-10 km.


            Yes, if only! I would not be jerky. The French combined a hedgehog with a snake. They did that and that. The concept of "spike" is completely clear and logical to me. But the French were frankly cheating in my opinion. No? And this and this and this and that. And we can also hit on the head with a rocket.

            1. The French have always been "original". As a former owner of French cars, I declare this to you.
            2. 12 kg rocket with a speed of 200 m / s is no longer funny. Of course, it will not harm the tank, but it can "melt over the head".
  7. Lexus
    Lexus 5 November 2020 16: 11
    +4
    This means that modern anti-tank systems, analogs of "Spayka" and MMP, can not be expected. what