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What happened to "Admiral Kuznetsov": news about the repair of the only aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy

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What happened to "Admiral Kuznetsov": news about the repair of the only aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy

Three years have passed since the Syrian campaign, the only Russian aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, was sent for repairs.


History modernization of "Admiral Kuznetsov" is filled with negative events. First, on October 30, 2018, the floating dock PD-50 sank, resulting in damage to the aircraft carrier. Then, on December 12, 2019, a fire broke out on the ship, which killed 2 people.

These events further increased the cost of repairing the aircraft carrier. So, in April 2020, the United Shipbuilding Corporation estimated the damage caused by the fire at 500 million rubles. Nevertheless, Russia is not abandoning plans to modernize the aircraft carrier. Only it is not very clear when the work will be completed and the only ship of this class will return to service.

In August 2020, the USC named a relatively sane amount of ship repair - from 300 to 350 million rubles. According to the representatives of the USC, the ship is currently undergoing intensive repair and restoration work, and the docking of the only aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy will take place in the summer of 2021. In 2022, the ship should be transferred to the Naval the fleet RF.

Admiral's "Bekas"


It is known that the aircraft carrier is to receive a new air defense system and "Pantsir" naval complexes, new power equipment. In addition, in the summer of 2020, an announcement was posted on the public procurement website about the search for a contractor to clean and paint the ship's superstructure.

Meanwhile, while the specialists are repairing and modernizing the Admiral Kuznetsov, at the Pella-Fiord CJSC, work has been completed on the completion of the project 1402B Bekas large ship boat. On October 28, 2020, the boat was solemnly launched. As you know, the customer for the construction of the "Bekas" was the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, for the needs of which the shipyard made the boat.

"Bekas" was made of composite materials, which affected its lightness and maneuverability: the boat will be used to transport cargo and personnel, provide diving operations, help the security service of ships and vessels, and disembark groups. The boat will become part of the supply of the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov".



Thus, while the modernization work continues on the aircraft carrier, shipbuilders have already prepared a new boat to provide it. And this once again testifies to the fact that the repair of "Admiral Kuznetsov" is not as long-term task as it seemed at first. If everything goes according to plan, then by 2022 the repair and modernization work on the ship will be completed and it will be operational. Moreover, "Admiral Kuznetsov" has to serve for at least ten more years.

Actually, the Russian Navy simply has no other choice. As follows from open sources, the fleet simply could not abandon the "Admiral Kuznetsov": the construction of a new aircraft carrier is planned for the period no earlier than 2030, and being without a single aircraft carrier for a whole decade is too unaffordable a luxury for the Russian fleet, especially given the global political situation which is getting more and more tense.
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  1. Bez 310
    Bez 310 5 November 2020 14: 20
    +8
    "... to be without a single aircraft carrier for a whole decade -
    too unaffordable luxury for the Russian fleet ... "
    What a stupid thing ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 5 November 2020 14: 35
      22
      Quote: Bez 310
      What stupidity ..

      The critical point is that Kuzya may not be under repair. But the terms of repair .. during this time you can build a new aircraft carrier .. 90% readiness. And this is annoying .. everything is very neglected in our country, which speaks of lack of control and irresponsibility.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 5 November 2020 14: 42
        -21 qualifying.
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Bez 310
        What stupidity ..

        during this time it is possible to build a new aircraft carrier .. 90% readiness. And it's annoying ...

        It would have strained you even more if they built a new aircraft carrier, and a corresponding guard group for it, then the pension would definitely be canceled altogether ... ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 5 November 2020 14: 43
          45
          Quote: Nasr
          then the pension would definitely be canceled altogether ... ...

          Well, yes ... in the Union they managed to build a fleet and pay pensions ... but today's yacht managers buy from someone longer ... and they don't want to pay pensions ... That's an obvious difference ..
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 5 November 2020 14: 45
            -24 qualifying.
            Quote: Svarog

            Well, yes .. in the Union they managed to build a fleet and pay pensions ...

            So they contrived that the Union was gone! ... There were no "effective" managers then, and Bolivar could not stand it ....
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 5 November 2020 14: 54
              27
              Quote: Nasr
              Bolivar could not resist ...

              The union was merged by specific individuals who can be called initiative id-mi or traitors .. Although I agree that the funding of the army was excessive. And not just the army. But still there was a state approach and it was enough to adjust the course .. And now the state has been eliminated from all vital spheres and statesmen have been replaced by hucksters.
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat 5 November 2020 15: 05
                -12 qualifying.
                Quote: Svarog

                The union was merged by specific personalities who can be called initiative id-mi or traitors ...

                I don’t want to argue about this, but I know one thing for sure - that Bolivar would be overwhelmed - one betrayal is not enough, I would even say - negligible ... The very fact of the appearance of "traitors" in the top, middle and lower echelons of management already says that there is no order in the state .... And here the collapse of the country cannot be attributed to one betrayal ... When it was necessary, even Lawrence was removed ... and even to put "traitors" against the wall, we have no problem .. heh heh
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 5 November 2020 15: 13
                  +7
                  Quote: Nasr
                  The very fact of the appearance of "traitors" in the top, middle and lower echelons of government already says that there is no order in the state ..

                  It should be noted, as now .. and this problem has migrated and has not been resolved until now.
                  And here the collapse of the country cannot be attributed to one betrayal ...

                  I partially agree, but the fact of betrayal was decisive. In any case, that system could be corrected, but the current one cannot. In other words, then there was an opportunity to change something, now it is not. Dead end.
                  1. Nasrat
                    Nasrat 5 November 2020 15: 21
                    -10 qualifying.
                    Quote: Svarog
                    In any case, that system could be corrected, but the current one cannot. ...

                    Don't you understand yet? That system was corrected for today's .. And not some kind of traitor, but the ruling clan of communists .. so you and corrected, what are you not happy with?
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 5 November 2020 15: 29
                      12
                      Quote: Nasr
                      And not some traitor, but the ruling clan of communists

                      I am not satisfied with these pseudo-communists. As well as where they lead the country.
                      1. Nasrat
                        Nasrat 5 November 2020 16: 12
                        -7
                        Quote: Svarog

                        I am not satisfied with these pseudo-communists. ...

                        And who sorted the communists from the pseudo-communists? I have not seen communists now ... mummers - full ...
                      2. Svarog
                        Svarog 5 November 2020 16: 20
                        +4
                        Quote: Nasr
                        I have not seen communists now ... mummers - full ...

                        There are a lot of mummers .. you can't argue with them .. and there are a lot of different parties .. This is a deliberate policy towards the communists / socialists .. so that the electorate's brains are powdered .. But there are really ideological ones, Komolov, Semin .. Spitsyn .. this is one of the most famous .. Never mind, the people of capitalism will have enough, they will remember socialism .. The quantity is needed now, and then the quality will be ..
                      3. Petro_tut
                        Petro_tut 6 November 2020 15: 47
                        0
                        ... But there are also really ideological ones, Komolov, Semin .. Spitsyn ..
                        if they do exist, what prevents you from putting them in the Duma?
                      4. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 7 November 2020 14: 15
                        +2
                        Quote: Petro_tut
                        if they do exist, what prevents you from putting them in the Duma?

                        You somehow go as an observer to the elections, from the Communist Party, for example. Such questions will disappear by themselves.
                  2. Observer2014
                    Observer2014 5 November 2020 19: 24
                    +6
                    Quote: Nasr
                    Quote: Svarog

                    I am not satisfied with these pseudo-communists. ...

                    And who sorted the communists from the pseudo-communists? I have not seen communists now ... mummers - full ...
                    Where are you going? laughing Ah !!! It's all of you with the Russians are at war. Powerfully. yes Cool fool Grandfather on the avatar in a hat with earflaps. Maybe one question, when you win the Russians (us), where will you turn your attentionwassat ?
                  3. Starshina
                    Starshina 5 November 2020 22: 52
                    +4
                    The real communists died in the Great Patriotic War !!!
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 5 November 2020 15: 54
                +2
                Quote: Nasr
                And not some kind of traitor, but the ruling clan of communists.

                Something you just get out.
                1. Nasrat
                  Nasrat 5 November 2020 16: 19
                  -5
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Quote: Nasr
                  And not some kind of traitor, but the ruling clan of communists.

                  Something you just get out.

                  It's easy to fuck! Disrupt the social camp, blame everything on pseudo traitors and stay clean and in power - do you think it's easy?
                2. Civil
                  Civil 5 November 2020 17: 23
                  +5
                  The people of the USSR were leaked by those who lie. "Decaying West", "ring of enemies", lies kill everything.
                3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                  Uncle Vanya Susanin 7 November 2020 13: 25
                  +3
                  And that there was no ring of enemies? And now there are only friends around us? lol
      2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 November 2020 18: 18
        +1
        Quote: Nasr
        here the collapse of the country cannot be attributed to one betrayal

        And even more so, it is impossible to write off the pension to citizens and the financing of the army.
      3. nickname7
        nickname7 6 November 2020 09: 42
        +5
        ... The very fact of the appearance of "traitors" in the top, middle and lower echelons of government already says that there is no order in the state.

        A traitor is not the correct term, the matter is in the property, which was nobody's (people's), the nomenclature of officials wanted to seize the factories in their personal possession.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 8 November 2020 19: 39
          +2
          the matter is in the property, which was (people's) nobody, the nomenklatura of officials wanted to seize the factories in their personal possession.

          For some reason, with this "nobody's" property, this property worked, the same factories, and when "effective owners" came there, the factories went bankrupt in their hands. For example, Volgograd Tractor.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 November 2020 15: 52
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    in the Union, they managed to build a fleet and pay pensions .. and today's yacht managers buy from someone longer .. and don’t want to pay pensions

    Yes, "for God, for Caesar, for Caesar." And nothing has changed.
  • Voyager
    Voyager 5 November 2020 16: 07
    -11 qualifying.
    Yeah, and in the Soviet Union, everyone had a car, or even two, and no queues for furniture and rags.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 5 November 2020 17: 00
      +7
      Quote: Voyager
      Yeah, and in the Soviet Union, everyone had a car, or even two, and no queues for furniture and rags.

      Since then, technology has stepped forward a lot, now everything would be the same. Only cheaper, better quality.
      1. Voyager
        Voyager 5 November 2020 17: 27
        0
        I propose the language of facts, and not if, but if only ... what technologies were lacking then to provide people with banal consumer products and vehicles? What prevented, for example, more furniture factories from building?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 5 November 2020 18: 05
          +2
          Quote: Voyager
          To provide people with commonplace consumer products and vehicles? What prevented, for example, more furniture factories from building?

          This is a serious and deep topic for discussion .. and in the format of a comment will not fit .. If you are really interested, listen. Specifically, about what interfered, somewhere closer to the middle, but I think that the whole video will be interesting.
      2. Reiter
        Reiter 6 November 2020 02: 04
        0
        I can recall that the USSR then crept in grain in Canada and the United States. Was there no technology? At the same time, both at school and at the institute, I constantly went to help in collective farms, sometimes weeding, then harvesting. And still, with this free aid, something was constantly lacking in our national economy. But now the Russian Federation exports grain, in first place in the world. Apparently it's not about technology, but about the inability to effectively manage the economy.
        1. nickname7
          nickname7 6 November 2020 10: 05
          0
          Someone has to pick apples and strawberries, in rich Europe migrants do the dirty work, Poles and Estonians clean toilets and pick apples. In the union there was a concept that everyone is equal, which means there is no rabble for dirty work, which means we do the dirty work ourselves.
          1. Reiter
            Reiter 6 November 2020 15: 29
            +4
            Rave! Boots should be sharpened by a shoemaker and a cake-maker should bake pies, this truth was known to our distant ancestors, and, accordingly, an engineer should develop developments, and not knead manure, otherwise everything will turn out badly for him and development and about the shelf and harvesting. It was just that the collective farmer had to be paid normally, they would not run away from the village and would do everything themselves. To remind, even then, there was still a problem of very low labor productivity in the countryside. And to raise the efficiency of their low efficiency at the expense of schoolchildren, students and engineers is still an idea, a temporary solution from despair, but nothing more. I have the impression that people who have never lived there or have lived in some hothouse conditions are writing in defense of this perversion. Some people cannot understand that that system was not effective, not even once. The administrative-command system of that level suffered a complete fiasco. It is also possible to remind that there was something wrong with agriculture and the fact that until the mid-70s collective farmers were tied to their collective farm, they did not give passports to their hands.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 7 November 2020 14: 29
              +1
              Quote: Reiter
              It was just that the collective farmer had to be paid normally, they would not run away from the village and would do everything themselves.

              You will ask the former collective farmers about "payment in kind", about the prices for lunch in collective farm canteens. They fled the village for a different reason, work in the city has always been easier and cleaner.
              1. Reiter
                Reiter 8 November 2020 13: 40
                0
                The question as a whole, salary is generally everything, including the comfort of work. The level of mechanization also left the best to be done, people always strive to go to the city, because there are a lot of goodies in the city, for example, medicine, roads, etc. And the village in the USSR has always been packed as a rule. Compare a village in the Netherlands or Germany with Russia. The question is complex.
          2. Reiter
            Reiter 6 November 2020 18: 00
            +1
            Quote: nickname7
            Someone has to pick apples and strawberries, in rich Europe migrants do the dirty work, Poles and Estonians clean toilets and pick apples. In the union there was a concept that everyone is equal, which means there is no rabble for dirty work, which means we do the dirty work ourselves.

            Dirty work in the EU is now the Poles and huh ... oh, the Ukrainians are doing, but in the 70s and 80s they were not there. Agriculture in Europe had its own.
            1. stankow
              stankow 6 November 2020 22: 39
              +1
              There were Turks, Yugoslavs, the same migrants from the Colonies - there were also ...
              1. Reiter
                Reiter 7 November 2020 14: 05
                0
                Yeah, of course, but only the Turks are not engaged in agricultural work in Germany, for your information. Their niche is building a business, hairdressing salons, auto workshops, in short, a service sector, but not an agricultural sector. By the way, for some reason you forgot to mention that a lot of Italians moved to Germany to work and live after the war. What colonies is the FRG talking about? Except for the Turks and Italians, they had no one after the war. In the Netherlands, there is also their own agricultural.
            2. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 7 November 2020 14: 32
              +1
              Quote: Reiter
              Dirty work in the EU is now the Poles and huh ... oh, the Ukrainians are doing, but in the 70s and 80s they were not there. Agriculture in Europe had its own.

              Find the movie "Grapes of Wrath" on YouTube, which deals with the topic of seasonal workers in the USA.
  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 5 November 2020 17: 47
    +5
    Quote: Svarog
    Well, yes ... in the Union they managed to build a fleet and pay pensions ... but today's yacht managers buy from someone longer ... and they don't want to pay pensions ... That's an obvious difference ..

    There were 240 million people in the USSR, twice the territory, modern shipyards in Soviet Ukraine!, shipbuilding traditions, I don't even want to list what happened. All this was lost thanks to the "magnificent" policy of the Communist Party of the USSR and its leaders personally .. Pensions were also not ah! from 25 rubles from collective farmers to 140 rubles from miners .. So, dear, be objective, not stupid.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 5 November 2020 18: 09
      +2
      Quote: 30 vis
      So, dear, be objective, not stupid

      So I am objective .. What did you want to say with your comment? That are smart laughing
      Pensions were also not ah

      Maybe they weren’t ah .. but my grandmother managed to help three children, and she didn’t forget her grandchildren .. I bought a bicycle .. Do you think it is possible now?
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 5 November 2020 19: 05
        +4
        Curious about where your grandmother worked?
        My maternal grandmother received a pension of 16 Soviet rubles, having worked on a collective farm and being under German occupation.
        Yours clearly did not work on the collective farm. Otherwise they would help her. The whole world.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 5 November 2020 19: 10
          +7
          Quote: Cosm22
          Curious about where your grandmother worked?

          My grandmother worked in the production of shells ... but I also had a grandfather, he served in the KGB for escorting especially valuable goods .. They lived in the village and had a small farm of their own .. in his free time, grandfather chopped log cabins .. In general, with money there were no problems .. or rather they were enough for a normal life.
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 5 November 2020 22: 29
            +4
            I am glad for your older generation.
            But do you deign to clarify the size of your grandmother's pension? Or don't you remember?
            For some reason, my grandmother's 16 rubles are forever engraved in my memory.
        2. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 6 November 2020 06: 27
          0
          My maternal grandmother received a pension of 16 Soviet rubles, having worked on a collective farm and being under German occupation.

          Mine, for example, born in 1913, all my life on a state farm in Altai. Pension 120 re at the end of the 70s. Maybe she just wasn't "under occupation"? For a pension, even on a collective farm, it was necessary to work, and if she spent her whole life at home, like the bulk of khokhlushek, and traded bulba and cabbage pies at the station, what was the demand from the Soviet government?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 6 November 2020 09: 09
            +3
            Quote: pmkemcity
            Maybe she just wasn't "under occupation"? For a pension, even on a collective farm, it was necessary to work, and if she spent her whole life at home, like the bulk of khokhlushek, and traded bulba and cabbage pies at the station, what was the demand from the Soviet government?

            good
        3. Egg
          Egg 6 November 2020 09: 59
          +5
          My grandfather and grandmother, collective farmers, were also under occupation, in 1976 they bought my mother a 2-room cooperative apartment in the regional center, Belgorod, and yes, with the same pension that was "not ah". It's not so much about the size as about the purchasing power and the ability to save.
        4. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 7 November 2020 14: 35
          +1
          Quote: Cosm22
          My maternal grandmother received a pension of 16 Soviet rubles, having worked on a collective farm and being under German occupation.

          There is no need to lie, but also ask what the collective farm gave to its pensioners.
      2. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 5 November 2020 19: 23
        -9
        Quote: Svarog
        So I am objective .. What did you want to say with your comment? That are smart

        Excellent. You understood what I said. And you know perfectly well that I am right. You are not stupid, no. You hate Russia subtly. (this is my opinion) God forbid, if not right.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 5 November 2020 19: 36
          +6
          Quote: 30 vis
          Great, you understood what I said

          No, I don’t understand .. You listed the advantages of the USSR .. so I am about that ..
          And you know perfectly well that I am right.

          That everything was lost due to:
          the "magnificent" policy of the Communist Party of the USSR and personally of its leaders

          I don’t argue with that. You and I disagree in the role of those who are now at the helm .. They have not been able to revive anything in 30 years and will not be able to, because they play according to capitalist rules, where all the advantages are on the side of the enemy and they have no chances. They understand this perfectly, which means they continue the work of traitors. This is exactly what the general economic and political situation testifies to.
          You subtly hate Russia

          I have a better opinion of you, I think you are simply mistaken and do not understand the essence of things .. The causal relationship is broken with you because of the high-quality noodles that are broadcast from all irons.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 5 November 2020 19: 40
            -5
            Quote: Svarog
            The causal relationship is broken for you because of the high-quality noodles that are broadcast from all irons.

            So, so ... So. angry And neither of which, that I have my own rich experience and I can analyze well, compare different events of my life, I am friends with logic .. Okay. Let's tie it by pouring from empty to empty. Many different opinions are normal. drinks
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 5 November 2020 19: 51
              +1
              Quote: 30 vis
              Okay. Let's tie it by pouring from empty to empty. Many different opinions are normal.

              Of course it's okay .. I have a sister, she worked at the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company .. 10 years ago, she told me about how everything is arranged with us .. And about our officials .. they know a lot there, since many presenters are "fighting friends ".. I did not believe her and argued to quarrels .. But I began to ask myself more and more questions and look at everything from a critical point of view .. from that moment everything became very clear .. For this reason, it is normal that you react that way. the time will come, you yourself will understand everything. This is not even about socialism, although this is really the highest form of existence that mankind has managed to come up with ... But the speech is for those in power ... these are extremely unworthy people ..
              For this I say goodbye .. hi drinks
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 5 November 2020 20: 24
                -3
                Quote: Svarog
                But the speech is for those in power ... these are extremely unworthy people ..
                I say goodbye to sim

                The power of worthy people has always been in short supply. There is now. They didn't tell me anything new.
              2. Svarog
                Svarog 5 November 2020 20: 28
                +1
                Quote: 30 vis
                Quote: Svarog
                But the speech is for those in power ... these are extremely unworthy people ..
                I say goodbye to sim

                The power of worthy people has always been in short supply. There is now. They didn't tell me anything new.

                So what do you like so much in modern Russia that you are trying to defend? With the fact that the power of the crooks, you agree .. About the achievements of modern Russia, it seems, too, do not carry nonsense .. which gives reason to think that you understand everything .. But at the same time, you defend this system and these people .. This is my position is not clear, there is no foundation under it.
              3. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 6 November 2020 07: 40
                -1
                Quote: Svarog
                But at the same time, for all that, you are defending this system and these people .. This position is not clear to me, there is no foundation under it.

                I lived under socialism. Perestroika, lived 23, 5 years in the Ukrainian soap. Now I live in the Russian Federation. Which I am glad. There are many disadvantages, but the advantages outweigh these disadvantages. There is something to compare .. You would be in modern Ukraine. I am sure they would speak differently. Our people in Russia are complex, we do a lot of shit ourselves. It is not possible to imprison and punish everyone. But in Russia it is still about 10th degree more than in Ukraine. I don't want to argue and prove.
  • not main
    not main 5 November 2020 21: 15
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    Maybe they weren’t ah .. but my grandmother managed to help three children, and she didn’t forget her grandchildren .. I bought a bicycle .. Do you think it is possible now?

    I don’t think, but I know! My father helped me, but I miss a little to 60. And in those days ... I was just a lieutenant and I had to rent a house (and this was not compensated), and so I lived with my grandmother, rented a room in the private sector. So her pension was 26 rubles! This is less than one ruble a day! But you have to pay for electricity and buy firewood! When I moved out the granny cried! Although he helped as best he could ... chop wood, train water, get a hare (well, or a feathered one), I remember our squadron all refused a coupon for a washing machine like RIGA-18, I told granny about this ... she a couple of minutes brought 70 rubles! The next day I brought a typewriter! I gave away my "coffins", but how much easier it became for her to live, I realized later! Sorry, it's long and messy, just remembered!
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 5 November 2020 21: 25
      -1
      Quote: non-primary
      in a couple of minutes she brought 70 rubles

      This is how she saved up 70 rubles. if you lived on 95 kopecks a day? Maybe you don’t know everything about that grandmother, if she didn’t hesitate to put 70 rubles on the washing machine .. And you also need to bring water to the washing machine .. or was there a water supply? Yes, and there is nothing special to erase grannies ... A strange story .. Perhaps we are about different times in Soviet history .. I'm talking about the late 70s and early 80s .. I have not seen a single grandmother who lived in poverty .. The village there were 4000 large people, with a military base .. and I never met one with tears in my eyes .. almost every one gave candy .. In general, we lived in some kind of different socialism ..
      1. not main
        not main 5 November 2020 21: 45
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: non-primary
        in a couple of minutes she brought 70 rubles

        This is how she saved up 70 rubles. if you lived on 95 kopecks a day? Maybe you don’t know everything about that grandmother, if she didn’t hesitate to put 70 rubles on the washing machine .. And you also need to bring water to the washing machine .. or was there a water supply? Yes, and there is nothing special to erase grannies ... A strange story .. Perhaps we are about different times in Soviet history .. I'm talking about the late 70s and early 80s .. I have not seen a single grandmother who lived in poverty .. The village there were 4000 large people, with a military base .. and I never met one with tears in my eyes .. almost every one gave candy .. In general, we lived in some kind of different socialism ..

        Read carefully! I said a car like RIGA-18! And this machine is NOT connected ANYWHERE! It's just that water is poured from the bucket. Yes, you are right! We lived in a different socialism! If I served at that time, then you (according to your statement) received sweets! Yes, and I received them ... but much earlier! And about the granny, I paid her 25 rubles for a room, and her needs were minimal! When she brought the first hare, she fried it, but was afraid to touch it! It took me a lot of effort to get, at least try! Yes, it was a long time ago and in ZabVO!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 5 November 2020 21: 51
          +2
          Quote: non-primary
          Yes you are right! We lived in a different socialism! If I served at that time, then you (according to your statement) received sweets!

          You see what progress has been made ..
          and in the postwar years the country was rebuilding and it is clear that it was hard.
          I can tell you about our family .. we had two motorcycles, izh and sunrise, there was a cow and a pig, of course a vegetable garden .. I don’t remember at all what would go hungry .. In the summer the whole family gathered, there was no place to sleep, haymaking and others household chores ... it was always fun, there was enough food for everyone ... moreover, in the village I always got better ..
          Well, you can imagine the post-war years ... because now it is not the post-war years, but for many pensioners the situation is exactly the same as you described ..
          1. not main
            not main 5 November 2020 22: 12
            0
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: non-primary
            Yes you are right! We lived in a different socialism! If I served at that time, then you (according to your statement) received sweets!

            You see what progress has been made ..
            and in the postwar years the country was rebuilding and it is clear that it was hard.
            I can tell you about our family .. we had two motorcycles, izh and sunrise, there was a cow and a pig, of course a vegetable garden .. I don’t remember at all what would go hungry .. In the summer the whole family gathered, there was no place to sleep, haymaking and others household chores ... it was always fun, there was enough food for everyone ... moreover, in the village I always got better ..
            Well, you can imagine the post-war years ... because now it is not the post-war years, but for many pensioners the situation is exactly the same as you described ..

            Here you are turning everything! Turn upside down! I wrote you an example that not everyone lived like that! For that matter, in our family there were two "carpet makers K-175", IZH-412, "southerner" and two "vortex-20"! And also Izh-58, 59, 18!
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 5 November 2020 22: 19
            -2
            Quote: non-primary
            Here you are turning everything! Turn upside down! I wrote you an example that not everyone lived like that! For that matter, in our family there were two "carpet makers K-175", IZH-412, "southerner" and two "vortex-20"! And also Izh-58, 59, 18!

            Well, excuse me, I didn't understand you at all .. I didn't even think to turn anything over .. I understood you so that the pension was so miserable that the pensioners were already crying .. And now you write that it was not bad at all .. Well, of course, there are always people, who did not work out .. Here in the USSR, if a person drank drunkenly, then he understood nothing, or a woman may not have worked all her life and life has failed, not children, not her husband's old age .. Anything can happen of course. But the overwhelming majority still lived better in comparison with today .. This is, after all, my personal opinion.
          3. not main
            not main 5 November 2020 22: 38
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: non-primary
            Here you are turning everything! Turn upside down! I wrote you an example that not everyone lived like that! For that matter, in our family there were two "carpet makers K-175", IZH-412, "southerner" and two "vortex-20"! And also Izh-58, 59, 18!

            Well, excuse me, I didn't understand you at all .. I didn't even think to turn anything over .. I understood you so that the pension was so miserable that the pensioners were already crying .. And now you write that it was not bad at all .. Well, of course, there are always people, who did not work out .. Here in the USSR, if a person drank drunkenly, then he understood nothing, or a woman may not have worked all her life and life has failed, not children, not her husband's old age .. Anything can happen of course. But the overwhelming majority still lived better in comparison with today .. This is, after all, my personal opinion.

            In what I agree! But not completely! I gave an example of a woman who has worked on a collective farm all her life. In old age, I stayed with what I have. Yes, there were no children, but there were "relatives" who came all winter for potatoes! And in the summer, I don't give a damn and the grandmother herself planted, huddled, weeded, at best, helped to dig! I will add that my grandniece worked as a cook in the flight canteen! And what if about 100 people didn't go to dinner then? When there are no flights.
        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 6 November 2020 07: 52
          -6
          Quote: non-primary
          Here you are turning everything! Turn upside down!

          Don't argue with him. Svarog is a stubborn supporter of the Maidans and revolutions in Russia. So give free rein, they will tear our country to pieces, doom people to death. The main thing for them is “Hurray! Everyone to fight the hated regime!” And they themselves will rub their hands around the corner. Either they are stupid beyond measure, or ordinary enemies.
        3. Svarog
          Svarog 6 November 2020 11: 06
          +2
          Quote: 30 vis
          Don't argue with him. Svarog is a stubborn supporter of the Maidans and revolutions in Russia. So give free rein, they will tear our country to pieces, doom people to death.

          What makes you think that I am a supporter .. especially the Maidans? I am a supporter of socialism. And I am ready to support only the revolution under the leadership of the Communists and not in any other case. But unfortunately, the people are not ready yet. When the bulk of the population will see the light, then the need for revolution will disappear .. This process is taking place and not only in our country, socialism is the future of the world.
          - “Hurray! Everyone to fight the hated regime!” And they themselves will rub their hands around the corner. Either they are stupid beyond measure, or ordinary enemies.

          Foolish ones who indulge in this lawlessness ..
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 7 November 2020 13: 32
    0
    Yes, my grandmother also managed, until she died this summer, the Kingdom of Heaven, it depends on the person, although in those days it was probably really easier to help grandchildren!
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 6 November 2020 00: 35
    0
    What are you telling fables about paradise life under the USSR ?! The Union did not have enough sausage or toilet paper, and this despite the fact that the USSR was selling resources, accumulating debts, and devouring reserves. And then it generally split into pieces.

    Do you want such a repetition now with Russia ?!

    Russia does not need to lay down new aircraft carriers right now, it must first build a sufficient number of corvettes, frigates, destroyers, UDC, BDK, minesweepers, submarines, support ships, and only then build aircraft carriers at the end.

    In the meantime, in order not to lose competence and gain the necessary experience, "Admiral Kuznetsov" will serve.
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 7 November 2020 13: 37
      0
      "What are you telling fables here about the life in paradise under the USSR ?! In the Soviet Union there was not enough sausage or toilet paper ..."
      I will correct you, it was already in the "late" USSR, but otherwise I fully support you!
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 7 November 2020 14: 03
        0
        And in the early USSR, the peasants were not allowed out of the villages until the 60s, they were held for serfs.

        And the wages were given by workdays, that is, with the same products that the collective farm produced. In fact, they just robbed people.

        And there are fools who begin to extol the political and economic model in the USSR, which completely failed and led to the collapse of the country.
  • nickname7
    nickname7 6 November 2020 10: 01
    -1
    We have a choice of either a pension or an aircraft carrier, that is, you propose to share Trishkin's caftan, we are pulling there naked. This is because the Russian Federation is focused on the sale of raw materials, but if the economy is changed in the direction of production, then there will be enough money both for an aircraft carrier and for pensions, and pensions can be understood to the level of Poland.
    The sad state of Kuznetsov indicates that managers are leading the country in the wrong direction.
    You are like paying the oligarchs, you protect the compradors so that they can take out more and steal.
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 7 November 2020 16: 58
      0
      "This is because the Russian Federation is focused on the sale of raw materials ..."
      If the Russian Federation was oriented, the oil and chemical industry would not be built on such a scale for the sale of resources, deep processing is unnecessary for the sale of raw materials hi
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 14: 46
    -1
    Quote: Svarog
    during this time it is possible to build a new aircraft carrier .. 90% readiness.

    for what "it"? Three years, or what?
    Vaughn, JFK was founded in 2015 and is planned to be completed in 2024. And this, for a minute, is the States.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 5 November 2020 14: 55
      -7
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      laid in 2015 and are planned to be commissioned in 2024. And this, for a minute, is the States.

      Do you know that he is 90% ready this year?
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 15: 07
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        Do you know that he is 90% ready this year?

        76
        5 years.
      2. Borik
        Borik 5 November 2020 15: 16
        +3
        Svarog (Vladimir)
        Today, 14: 55

        0
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        laid in 2015 and are planned to be commissioned in 2024. And this, for a minute, is the States.

        Do you know that he is 90% ready this year?


        2015, this is the year of the official bookmark, And in fact, they began to build it 4 years earlier.
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 5 November 2020 14: 47
    -3
    Quote: Svarog
    The critical point is that Kuzya may not be under repair. But the terms of repair .. during this time you can build a new aircraft carrier .. 90% readiness. And this is annoying .. everything is very neglected in our country, which speaks of lack of control and irresponsibility.

    Kuzya has already tried several times to drown himself, because it is really hard for him to endure all the bullying of the current government and he is clearly against cutting money on his repairs.
    The ship understands that drowning is a more worthy death for him than being sawed on needles in a Chinese dock as a result, and the money from the needles will also be sawed.
  • Lexus
    Lexus 5 November 2020 14: 52
    +2
    Meanwhile, while the specialists are repairing and modernizing the Admiral Kuznetsov, at the Pella-Fiord CJSC, work has been completed on the completion of the project 1402B Bekas large ship boat.

    Vladimir hi ,
    Notice how the "shitty news" was technically retouched into "rainbow patriotic". The aircraft carrier is gone and will no longer be so rejoice the boat is called. The next stop is the ship graveyard in Chittagong. It is there that the largest number of "campaigns" of the Navy over the past 30 years are made.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 5 November 2020 14: 59
      0
      Quote: lexus
      "shitty news" retouched into "rainbow-patriotic"

      Alexey hi
      In this they are unsurpassed masters .. here they have no equal .. They learned to wrap any city in a beautiful candy wrapper .. and a lot of people are bought for this wrapper ..
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 November 2020 16: 10
      +3
      Quote: lexus
      The next stop is the ship graveyard in Chittagong.

      Alang - India
      "Leningrad"
      "Moscow".
      But they had already served their time by that time. They died along with the country that bore them.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 5 November 2020 15: 31
    -6
    I meant that we don't need an aircraft carrier, and
    we will do fine without it and the following
    decades.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 5 November 2020 16: 07
      +1
      Breaking - not building
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 5 November 2020 17: 03
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    The critical point is that Kuzya may not be under repair. But the terms of repair .. during this time you can build a new aircraft carrier .. 90% readiness. And this is annoying .. everything is very neglected in our country, which speaks of lack of control and irresponsibility.

    Too many things to change))) only to replace boilers, all decks above the MO are cut out, cable routes are diverted.
    It is still not clear what will eventually change, apart from boilers, in the superstructure of the Mars-Passat, which has not yet earned (100 tons), Granite rockets, etc.
  • donavi49
    donavi49 5 November 2020 18: 55
    +4
    During this time, if desired, and Putin's supervision cannot be built. Even if we take a ready-made CD as a basis.

    Well, in general, everything is sad and hopeless in USC. For friends you know who is at the helm, and such people cannot be driven out and imprisoned even if they wish.
  • -Dmitry-
    -Dmitry- 6 November 2020 10: 54
    0
    But the terms of repair .. during this time it is possible to build a new aircraft carrier .. 90% readiness. And it's annoying ..


    A new aircraft carrier in 5 years ?! For such a period, even the USA does not build :) Actually, "Kuzya" itself was built for 8 years.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 6 November 2020 11: 50
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Bez 310
    What stupidity ..

    The critical point is that Kuzya may not be under repair. But the terms of repair .. during this time you can build a new aircraft carrier .. 90% readiness. And this is annoying .. everything is very neglected in our country, which speaks of lack of control and irresponsibility.

    Not to build an aircraft carrier today in 5 years. We cannot do a frigate during this time. Well, if they build, then other ships will have to be frozen
  • rubin6286
    rubin6286 7 November 2020 12: 28
    0
    The repair is obviously long, because the fleet does not need it today. The ship will eventually be repaired and put up for sale. Maybe India or China will buy it. It would be rational.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 November 2020 15: 12
    11
    Quote: Bez 310
    What a stupid thing ...

    What?
    Kuzya is a unique (unfortunately) platform for us, both in terms of a simulator for personnel and in terms of developing new weapons systems, which we can work out only on this platform (the question of the same naval drones will soon come to the fore, there are French already confused about this with their trough).
    The loss of such a platform is a crime in its purest form. It must be preserved at all costs. So the question of whether Kuzya is still capable of serving Russia is not worth it. The only question is whether our state managers (otherwise I don't know how to call it) the desire (and ability) to make Kuzya really serve, and not turn into scrap metal or a freshly painted trough for parades.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 5 November 2020 16: 40
      -8
      Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

      (the question of the same marine drones will soon come to the fore, the French are already confused about this with their trough).
      .


      This means that the French also suspect something about "usefulness" for the country, a trough called "De Gaulle". They don't know how to use it with benefit, but it's a pity to throw it out - everything is like ours ... A suitcase without a handle
      The Chinese rushed to build - they built it ... and put it at the wall .... there is no place to go on hikes?
    2. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 5 November 2020 18: 25
      -6
      Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
      Kuzya is a unique (unfortunately) platform for us

      Why a platform if Rossi does not have tasks for aircraft carriers? all the same, AV will not build, even in a terrible fairy tale they cannot be, the navel will break, ... is it not better to close this topic and spend funds on very necessary nuclear submarines, planes, missiles. Better a tit in hand than a pink pipe dream of a stupid pink pony, and even drowned on the first mine
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 November 2020 23: 44
        0
        Quote: vladimir1155
        they will not build AB anyway

        Betting on your retirement? I give 15 years to start the process.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 November 2020 15: 49
    +2
    Quote: Bez 310
    What a stupid thing ...

    Yeah, it's not a boat directly for you, but a "telecombine" (there were such in the 60s).
  • Mytholog
    Mytholog 5 November 2020 14: 24
    +1
    the fleet simply could not abandon the Admiral Kuznetsov

    Well, yes, someone should control the sky over the Barents Sea if something happens ...
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 5 November 2020 14: 39
      -2
      control the Barents Sea with six SU aircraft? in case of good weather by the sea? yes he will be drowned right in the Barents Sea, he has no combat outposts, there are not even minesweepers for him
      1. Mytholog
        Mytholog 5 November 2020 15: 14
        +5
        Quote: vladimir1155
        control the Barents Sea with six SU aircraft? in case of good weather by the sea? yes he will be drowned right in the Barents Sea, he has no combat outposts, there are not even minesweepers for him

        Anything - everything is one better than complete absence.
        As for "drowning" - we will all die someday. But first we will still fight;)
        1. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 5 November 2020 18: 17
          -3
          at first, a submarine can fight, it has a chance to sneak somewhere and escape unnoticed, at first a coastal squadron of aircraft can fight, they can fly in to release rockets and fly away ... even coastal frigates and corvettes with cruisers in the role of frigates and minesweepers can look for enemy mines and Submarine under the umbrella of coastal missiles and aviation.
          Quote: Mytholog
          But first we will still fight;)
          and Kuzya can only ingloriously drown defenseless, killing 4000 people with him in 5 minutes, and causing shame and noise to our fleet and the country
          1. stankow
            stankow 6 November 2020 22: 46
            0
            Well, please, can you give a small calculation how this ship of 60,000 tons sinks in 5 minutes !? It will be interesting! : D: D
            1. Vladimir1155
              Vladimir1155 7 November 2020 00: 26
              0
              8 minutes
              As a result, the "Admiral Nakhimov", having turned over to the starboard side, sank in 8 minutes, 1243 people out of 423 passengers and crew members died. The death of "Admiral Nakhimov" was the largest disaster on the Black Sea in peacetime. On the evening of August 31, "Admiral Nakhimov" left Novorossiysk for Sochi.

              The three-deck motor ship lies at a depth of 1500 meters. ... It is believed that "Armenia" sank in just 4 minutes. ... All due to the fact that the shore did not know how many people plunged into the "Armenia". ..

              On October 20, 1916, powder magazines exploded on the dreadnought "Empress Maria" for unknown reasons, the ship sank -225 dead, hundreds of mutilated. "Maria" died in the same Sevastopol bay as "Novorossiysk" - this is the space for the imagination of lovers of mysticism.

              During the battle, after a successful salvo of the Bismarck, an explosion occurred aboard the Hood, breaking the British cruiser in half. It sank in three minutes, killing 1415 people, and only three sailors escaped from the Hood.

              Indianapolis died on July 30, 1945, while returning from a secret mission to deliver parts for the atomic bomb, which was then dropped on Hiroshima.

              РќР ° Р ± орту РєРѕСЂР ° Р ± Р »СЏ РЅР ° С… РѕСєСѕРґРґР» Р РСЃСЊ РѕРєРѕР »Рѕ 1200 военны С ..., СЃРїР ° СЃСРРР СРРРР РРРРРРРРРРРРРС С С, РЃРєРЊРЊРЊРРРР °РРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРСРРРРС С <С RS 7 ± ель Р» РЁС ‡ РЅРѕРіРѕ состР° РІР °.

              The battle cruiser sank in three minutes, killing 1415 men, including Vice Admiral Holland. Only three sailors survived, who were picked up by the destroyer HMS Elektra, which came up two hours later. After the death of Hood, the Prince of Wales found itself under fire from two ships at once, and retreated after receiving several hits and the failure of its not yet completed main battery towers. At the same time, he managed to hit the Bismarck, which determined the further course of the battle - one of the shells opened one of the oil storage tanks on the Bismarck, and the clearly visible oil trail did not allow the Bismarck to break away from the British ships pursuing him.


              The Bismarck sank at 10:39 am, standing on a flat keel at the bottom. [3] Some of the crew members did not attempt to sail away, but climbed to the bottom and went under the water along with the ship, with their hands raised to greet. [1] ... In total, of the 2220 people of the Bismarck team, 116 people survived and a cat named Unsinkable Sam [7].


              Two hours later, the battleship, having received up to 10 hits from standard aircraft torpedoes (each with 272 kg of "torpex", which is equivalent to 410 kg of TNT) and 13 hits from aerial bombs, was out of order. At 14:23 local time, due to the displacement of 460-mm shells from the roll, an explosion of the bow cellar of the main caliber artillery occurred, after which the Yamato sank [11]. Only 269 people were saved, 3063 crew members were killed. The losses of the American side during the mission amounted to 47 aircraft, 6 more crashed on landing and 5 were scrapped upon their return. [12]

              2403 American servicemen were killed (almost half of them aboard the exploded Arizona) and 1178 were injured.
              1. Vladimir1155
                Vladimir1155 7 November 2020 00: 32
                0
                It soon became clear that Abukir could not be saved and the commander gave the order to abandon the ship. However, due to the loss of energy, the steam winches intended for launching the boats did not work, so only one boat was launched, most of the crew members had to jump overboard when leaving the ship. At first, the commander considered that the cruiser was blown up by a mine, so no anti-submarine defense measures were taken either on the Abukir or on the other two cruisers [1].


                Cruiser "Cressy"
                Nevertheless, the commander of "Abukira" quickly realized his mistake, realizing that his ship was a victim of a submarine attack, and raised a signal that forbade other ships to approach the sinking cruiser. But this was ignored [1]. At that time, the Admiralty had not yet issued an instruction prohibiting British commanders from approaching sinking ships if the presence of a submarine was suspected, so the Hog immediately went to the aid of the Abukir [2]. The commander of the Hog suggested that if his ship was on the other side of the Abukir, the submarine would not be able to attack it. He ordered to stop the course and lower the boats to remove the command of the dying cruiser. The Cressy also stalled.

                Meanwhile, Veddigen rounded the sinking Abukir and was able to attack the Hog, which was not moving, from the closest distance - less than 300 m. U-9 fired a torpedo at it, which hit the ship in the area of ​​the aft cellars of 234-mm guns. at a time when the ship's boats were returning, full of people from the Abukir. A violent explosion occurred on the Hog, although the ship's crew was able to open fire on U-9, which, freed from the torpedo load, temporarily appeared on the surface, but then sank again. The Hog sank very quickly - it rolled over within 10 minutes after being hit [5] At about the same time (about 35 minutes after the explosion of the first torpedo), the sinking Abukir also rolled over. It remained upside down on the surface for about 5 minutes, after which it sank.


                U-9 (photo taken before the start of the war)
                The Cressy's commander immediately gave orders to move. From his ship, at a distance of about 300 yards, a submarine periscope was seen, at which fire was opened, after which the boat disappeared. According to the report of the commander of the Hog, Captain First Rank V. Nicholson, written after the battle, the gunners of the Cressy considered that they had hit and destroyed the boat - the ship's personnel even began to applaud. According to the testimony, "Cressy" tried to ram the boat, but to no avail. As follows from Nicholson's report, the British were convinced that they were attacked by several submarines at once from different directions.

                After the sinking of the second cruiser U-9, moving at periscope depth, she began to take up a position to attack the remaining ship. At the same time, Weddigen did not let the target out of sight, observing through the periscope. The Cressy again spotted a boat at a distance of 500-600 yards (the British believed it was a different boat than the one they had fired upon), after which the cruiser began an evasive maneuver, but this did not save the British ship. At 07.20 the Germans fired two torpedoes at it, one of which hit the starboard side of the ship. The damage wasn't too bad. Weddigen decided to attack the enemy with the last remaining torpedo on the submarine. U-9, describing a semicircle, bypassed the cruiser from the other side and struck him with a successful hit. In 15 minutes the Cressy went down. The entire battle, from the moment the first torpedo was fired from the U-9 until the death of Cressy, lasted about an hour [5] [1].
                1. Vladimir1155
                  Vladimir1155 7 November 2020 00: 49
                  0
                  The submarine "S-13" under the command of Alexander Marinesko hit the liner with three torpedoes.
                  January 30 and February 9, 1945 - two significant dates in the combat annals of our Navy. 60 years ago, the commander of the C-13 submarine, Captain 3rd Rank Alexander Marinesko, in difficult hydrometeorological conditions (storm, frost, night) sank the liner "Wilhelm Gustlov" with a displacement of 25 tons and military transport (according to other sources, an auxiliary cruiser) "General Steuben" with a displacement of 600 tons.
        2. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 5 November 2020 22: 15
          +2
          Quote: Mytholog
          Quote: vladimir1155
          control the Barents Sea with six SU aircraft? in case of good weather by the sea? yes he will be drowned right in the Barents Sea, he has no combat outposts, there are not even minesweepers for him

          Anything - everything is one better than complete absence.
          As for "drowning" - we will all die someday. But first we will still fight;)


          It will not be a struggle, but extermination. A defenseless ship.
          In order for him to fight in hostilities in the Barents Sea, it must have an air wing of 30-50 aircraft.
          And a support group of 3-6 modern destroyers, 2-3 nuclear submarines.
          And so that AWACS and PLO and RTR aircraft and dozens of tankers for them would be constantly in the air. providing the activities of this very aircraft carrier.
          1. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 7 November 2020 01: 00
            0
            and this is not enough a dozen minesweepers and a dozen frigates plo, supply ships, tankers for this whole armada
  • Roman1970_1
    Roman1970_1 5 November 2020 14: 27
    0
    being without a single aircraft carrier for a whole decade is too unaffordable a luxury for the Russian fleet,

    Delirium from the author.

    At least 5 years at best for repair and modernization. And nothing happened.
    Nobody even noticed
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 5 November 2020 14: 32
      0
      Quote: Roman1970_1
      being without a single aircraft carrier for a whole decade is too unaffordable a luxury for the Russian fleet,

      Delirium from the author.

      At least 5 years at best for repair and modernization. And nothing happened.
      Nobody even noticed


      If only 5 years ...- this miracle dangled on the roadstead all its miserable life ... I think they would not have remembered about it, if Putin hadn’t been impatient to skip him to Syria ... the captain of this, but also pilots, technicians, designers, shipbuilders, etc. laughing
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 5 November 2020 14: 46
        0
        did they sweat? or how is your nickname-NasRat? in a basket.
        there are no traditions of naval aircraft carrier aviation ... AND WILL NOT BE ALREADY.
        HOW COSMONAUTS AND UNIONS SHOULD BE FOR PRESTIGE - so 1, alone, Kuznetsov will hang out
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 5 November 2020 15: 00
          -2
          Quote: antivirus
          did they sweat?

          When a combat plane flops into the sea, everyone who is involved will sweat ... especially when the cables provided by the designers cannot withstand ...

          Quote: antivirus
          or how is your nickname-NasRat? in a basket.

          Everyone sees only what he wants to see ...

          Quote: antivirus

          there are no traditions of naval aircraft carrier aviation ... AND WILL NOT BE ALREADY.

          You might think that Kuzya, standing on the roadstead, somehow stimulated the development of naval aviation. wassat

          Quote: antivirus

          HOW COSMONAUTS AND UNIONS SHOULD BE FOR PRESTIGE - t

          Do you think astronauts are just for prestige?

          Quote: antivirus

          so 1, alone, Kuznetsov will hang out

          He hangs out all his life .. or do you believe that he will regularly go hiking on duty or, God forbid, for combat use ??
        2. Doctor
          Doctor 5 November 2020 16: 44
          -3
          there are no traditions of naval aircraft carrier aviation ... AND WILL NOT BE ALREADY.

          Everything is done if desired.
          We didn't have tennis, but now we do. World class. Maybe the only plus of Borin's rule. laughing

          If in fact they wanted to revive carrier aviation, then the planes would not get off the THREAD. We would have worked out at least the initial base.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 5 November 2020 17: 02
            +3
            Quote: Arzt
            We didn't have tennis, but now we do. World class. Maybe the only plus of Borin's rule.

            Do not remind, citizens of which countries are "our" famous tennis players? And are they ours?
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 5 November 2020 18: 26
              -1
              Do not remind, citizens of which countries are "our" famous tennis players? And are they ours?

              So there are many hockey players too. But this does not mean that we have lost hockey school.
              And vice versa. We didn't have a tennis school. And now there is.

              So it is with carrier-based aircraft. There will be an aircraft carrier and pilots will appear.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 5 November 2020 18: 31
                +2
                Quote: Arzt
                But this does not mean that we have lost hockey school.

                I have to disagree about the school of hockey .. Himself a hockey player in the past .. The Soviet school of the combination game has been lost, now our team is more likely to play American / Canadian hockey .. The Finns are closest to the Soviet school .. in my opinion.
                Soviet hockey showed an intellectual collective game, impetuous with "combination lace" ..
                So it is with carrier-based aircraft. There will be an aircraft carrier and pilots will appear.

                Children do not appear intricately .. but here everything is more difficult .. much more difficult ..
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 5 November 2020 18: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: Svarog
                  The Soviet school of the combination game has been lost, now our team is playing rather American / Canadian hockey .. Finns are closest to the Soviet school .. in my opinion.
                  Soviet hockey showed an intellectual collective game, impetuous with "combination lace" ..

                  good That's right! When a full-fledged Russian five was assembled in Detroit, the vaunted pros just went nuts from the combination game and stupidly chased the puck for 40 seconds laughing And now the school of Soviet hockey in our country is becoming a thing of the past, like the Golden Puck.
                  According to the Finns, I completely agree that they have a symbiosis of styles with the predominance of the Soviet one, a lot of former Soviet coaches put work there in the youth sports school, and the skating rinks there are apparently invisible, we now have time for the Finns, as for the Moon.
                2. Doctor
                  Doctor 5 November 2020 18: 50
                  0
                  I have to disagree about the school of hockey .. Himself a hockey player in the past .. The Soviet school of the combination game has been lost, now our team is more likely to play American / Canadian hockey .. The Finns are closest to the Soviet school .. in my opinion.
                  Soviet hockey showed an intellectual collective game, impetuous with "combination lace" ..

                  You know better. The main thing is that we are the three strongest in the world, and the fact that we began to play in their style - what can I say ... who pays, he calls the tune.

                  Returning to the topic, the thesis that we need Kuznetsov to train pilots is nonsense. If the next AB is with a catapult, it will still retrain.
    2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 November 2020 14: 35
      10
      Quote: Roman1970_1
      Nobody even noticed

      Those who supported their, let's say, competencies, exploiting even the old, but so far the only aircraft carrier we have - they noticed. Everything from sailors and pilots to support services. And if 5 years of downtime will inevitably affect the professional training and the process of transferring experience, then 15 years without such a ship will completely deprive us of the relevant competencies. This loss will be much more difficult to recover than the loss of the ship itself.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 5 November 2020 16: 27
        -4
        That was our competence and we drove Kuzya to Syria, chasing savages ... Savages !!! without a fleet !!! Without anti-ship missiles, without submarines, without rubber boats ... He was not impressed with his work .... And if not for the savages ?? Would you send Kuzyu, with a crew of competence, on a hike? I think no! So the competencies would have stood near their native shore. How are the French, and the Chinese are now idle ...
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 November 2020 16: 49
          +3
          Quote: Nasr
          So they would have stood

          1. To argue that apart from the Syrian campaign, the crew did not have a chance to gain experience on the Kuza is silly. From your words, one might think that the cruiser wound the only miles in its history that time.

          2. It is impossible to assert that today, apart from at Kuznetsovo, we can preserve the corresponding skills somewhere else.

          3. It is impossible to assert that apart from Kuznetsov we still have some sites for the development of the appropriate weapons.

          If you propose to finish off a cruiser and just bury the experience gained over decades, bury the very possibility of working out certain weapons for such platforms in the future, then you are a pest.
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 5 November 2020 22: 36
            -1
            Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Quote: Nasr
            So they would have stood

            1. To argue that apart from the Syrian campaign, the crew did not have a chance to gain experience on the Kuza is silly. From your words, one might think that the cruiser wound the only miles in its history that time.

            2. It is impossible to assert that today, apart from at Kuznetsovo, we can preserve the corresponding skills somewhere else.

            3. It is impossible to assert that apart from Kuznetsov we still have some sites for the development of the appropriate weapons.

            If you propose to finish off a cruiser and just bury the experience gained over decades, bury the very possibility of working out certain weapons for such platforms in the future, then you are a pest.


            How many planes have landed during the entire period of Kuzi's operation?
            Since 1989, when Pugachev made the first landing on Kuznetsov
            About 2000 ...

            For more than 30 years ...

            The Americans have already made 2000 landings only during the tests of Ford.
            for 3.5 years.
            on an aircraft carrier - which is very difficult to bring. Which has a lot of capricious and unconfigured components and assemblies. Which is under repair and at the pier - also very long


            So there is no experience. if you do 10 times less.
            If you do 5-10 times more, you will get experience 20 times faster.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 November 2020 22: 54
              -2
              Quote: SovAr238A
              So there is no experience

              The 2000 landings you mentioned are not an experience?

              Quote: SovAr238A
              If you do 5-10 times more, you will get experience 20 times faster.

              Why lose it in order to get it later?

              Quote: SovAr238A
              The Americans

              Do you think the Americans have transferred a new aircraft carrier to completely new people? And they learned everything at once, never having seen before that in the eyes of a carrier-based aircraft or the aircraft carrier itself? Where would they take the backbone of the staff if 15 years ago they had destroyed their last aircraft carrier?

              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 5 November 2020 23: 11
                0
                Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Quote: SovAr238A
                So there is no experience

                The 2000 landings you mentioned are not an experience?

                Quote: SovAr238A
                If you do 5-10 times more, you will get experience 20 times faster.

                Why lose it in order to get it later?


                The fact that you will be driving around the Formula One race track in a children's velomobile will not give you a minute of the experience of real Formula 1 racing.

                What's the use of aircraft landing on deck. if most of the real specialists voiced more than once that all these pilots of the multi-hero regiment - none of them passed the KBP ...
                they just sat down and took off.

                The aircraft carrier has never undergone stress tests in its combat service exercises with hundreds of sorties a day. We had 5 flying Su-33s in our ranks, just that ... which, since production in the late 80s, have never been modernized.

                Americans do this twice a year. and their test is 2 sorties a day. In conditions close to combat.

                This is how experience is gained.
                Combat coordination of the entire ship.
                and pilots and shipbuilders.

                Or the loss of two planes in Syria - what's this? coincidence?
                No, this is exactly what the pilots may have been taught to hook with a hook, but the landing speed is not very ...
                Yes, and the ship's crew also turns out to be unable to change the cables ...
                From which the second plane fell into the sea ...

                Hero of Russia Apakidze has received many awards.
                Most of all landings - as much as 300 in 30 years.
                Only here 300 - makes a novice carrier-based aircraft of the US Navy in 3-4 years.
                Here's a comparison.

                I can also plaster walls, and have even done it 3 times in my life.
                But I do it very badly. Very long and very dreary and with a very high consumption of materials.
                And my neighbor Vanka, generally with crooked hands. but I tried every day.
                And a year later he became a specialist.

                Such an example of the transition from quantity to quality - will you understand? Will you accept?
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 6 November 2020 00: 03
                  -3
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  From the fact that you will be driving around the Formula One racing circuit in a children's velomobile

                  To call our carrier-based aircraft in comparison with the American children's car in comparison with the formula 1 - it is necessary to have an extremely excellent idea of ​​the problem under discussion. There is no doubt about it.

                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  What's the use of aircraft landing on deck

                  Experience.

                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  The aircraft carrier has never passed stress tests

                  This does not prevent him from being the platform that I am talking about.

                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  Americans do it

                  Moreover, we must not lose what we have - the enemy does not relax.

                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  Such an example of the transition from quantity to quality - will you understand? Will you accept?

                  Of course no. Yet simply utterly. See for yourself. How many people, having watched the video on YouTube, how to plaster, and for the first time in their life, picking up a spatula (or what should be taken there in such cases) - will be able to somehow plaster the wall? And how many people, having watched a video on YouTube about piloting a carrier-based aircraft, will be able to sit at the helm (for the first time in their life) and somehow, but still fly?
  • IgorIP
    IgorIP 5 November 2020 14: 29
    +5
    For 300-500 million rubles, you can only sand and paint normally the metal structures of the ship .. I'm not sure yet what the whole area. What kind of repair for such a penny ??
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 5 November 2020 14: 41
      -3
      $ 6,5 million. More like a quiet write-off, officially there is no will.
    2. Gvardeetz77
      Gvardeetz77 5 November 2020 14: 57
      +5
      Quote: IgorIP
      For 300-500 million rubles, you can only sand and paint normally the metal structures of the ship .. I'm not sure yet what the whole area. What kind of repair for such a penny ??

      Yes, everything is strange for the author, then the fire caused damage for 500 million, then all the repairs in 300 followed ... Can I set it on fire again, so that the price would still decrease, million to 50-100?
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 5 November 2020 14: 35
    -8
    pour money into a useless vessel of prestige, especially touched by the dock in 2021 ... where? he has no combat security ... he is generally not adapted to the north, it would be a wise decision to sell him to India to China, and if not ... then transfer him to the Black Sea Fleet, even if he sometimes goes to Syria, and at other times receives official delegations and entertains journalists , instead of Moscow, which could be useful in the North as a powerful PLO frigate
    1. Al Asad
      Al Asad 5 November 2020 14: 52
      -2
      [/ Center]
      Quote: vladimir1155
      where?
      Almost immediately they began to combine two dry docks in Severomorsk.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 5 November 2020 15: 04
        +5
        One contractor has already been kicked out of the dock; in a random photograph of tourists from a hill above the plant, they probably had no idea what was in the frame, this fall did not notice any big changes compared to the winter photo. The small town between the two cameras remained.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 14: 38
    +4
    Meanwhile, while the specialists are repairing and modernizing the Admiral Kuznetsov, at the Pella-Fiord CJSC, work has been completed on the completion of the project 1402B Bekas large ship boat. On October 28, 2020, the boat was solemnly launched. As you know, the customer for the construction of the "Bekas" was the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, for the needs of which the shipyard made the boat.

    Solemn launching of a boat is grandiose laughing Orchestra, speeches, marching in formation, buffet ... Will there be a ceremonial launch of the cooker for the "Kuzi" galley?
    "Bekas" was made of composite materials

    fiberglass, in other words.
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 5 November 2020 14: 41
    -14 qualifying.
    There are two dead ends in modern weapons systems: aircraft carriers and stealth aircraft.
    Therefore, Russia pretends to repair Kuznetsov and create the Su-57
    And in fact, it was razvodilovo so that the West thought that Russia is following their path of development.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 5 November 2020 16: 09
      0
      Bows and arrows are what really matters !!
  • Igool
    Igool 5 November 2020 14: 41
    +3
    Well, actually, the author is delirious! Russia does not have and has never had aircraft carriers. Because "Admiral Kuznetsov" is an aircraft-carrying cruiser. For an idea of ​​what the difference is, the author, if he has not yet been banned by Google, can do it in two minutes. Or is the author not a reader, an author-writer?
  • Asad
    Asad 5 November 2020 14: 43
    +1
    The boat will be part of the supply, will it follow Kuznetsov into the ocean? Sorry for the amateurish question!
    1. Lex_is
      Lex_is 5 November 2020 14: 49
      +9
      will he follow Kuznetsov into the ocean?

      Of course it will, on a sloop-beam. A work boat is the same boat, only with a wheelhouse and an engine.
      1. Asad
        Asad 5 November 2020 14: 54
        +1
        Understood thanks! I thought a bigger boat.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 5 November 2020 15: 44
        +6
        Quote: Lex_is
        A work boat is the same boat, only with a wheelhouse and an engine.

        It has 2 forward (27) and aft (21) holds with a capacity of up to 50 people. It can take cargo up to 4t. About 12 m long, speed 12 knots, seaworthiness up to 5 points, diesel and 700 liters of diesel fuel for 200 miles. In his youth, the "elders" had to not go to him. When "Kiev" got into a storm in the Atlantic, the long Atlantic wave smashed the right boat into the trash. The bow half remained on the lifting device, and the stern went into "independent swimming". Photographed "remains-remains". They came to Sevastopol, wrote off, then got a new one, which they almost drowned in Mediterranean, when they transported the perishable. They loaded it under the gunwale, and then a squall flew in, and the wave began to overwhelm it. Such a quick "unloading", when the freshness of boxes flew overboard, I have not seen in the rest of my service in the Navy!
        So there is something to remember ... at the word "Snipe"! bully
        1. Lex_is
          Lex_is 5 November 2020 15: 59
          +3
          laughing laughing laughing
          By the way, why bother shoving a fiberglass boat as a worker in 2020 is a great secret for me. Previously, it was clear that there were no other options.
          Now there are a bunch of RIBs, including domestic ones. and with a closed wheelhouse, which are more high-speed and seaworthy and tenacious and which are very difficult to gouge against the side, in contrast to fiberglass.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 5 November 2020 16: 03
            +3
            It's like that. But again - "project, equipment, specification" ...
            (It is said: - "luminescence" means - "LUMINUM!")
  • Lex_is
    Lex_is 5 November 2020 14: 45
    12
    Does the author even understand what he is writing?
    at the Pella-Fiord CJSC, work was completed on the completion of a large ship boat of project 1402B "Bekas". On October 28, 2020, the boat was solemnly launched.


    shipbuilders have already prepared a new boat to supply it. And this once again indicates that the repair of "Admiral Kuznetsov" is not such a long-term task

    This is yes! If the whole fiberglass 11-meter working boat was solemnly launched into the water - half of the repair and modernization work is done! laughing laughing

    Photo of a unique boat miracle for Kuznetsov:
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 5 November 2020 15: 09
      +1
      Are you sure that this is for Kuznetsov, the color is not in order, the right one is closer to the subject. So there are two of them? And the second is for whom?
      1. Lex_is
        Lex_is 5 November 2020 15: 17
        +5
        This is not a unique project, exclusively for Kuznetsov, this is just a project of the seventies, there are a lot of them, including those of private individuals and as walking tours are used.
        Imperial - Kaliningrad - Private person
        R 28-94 PV - Private person
        RBK-121-2 - Russian Navy - Red Banner Black Sea Fleet
        Avlita - Sevastopol - Private person
        etc.
        You can buy one for yourself, it costs less than a lem.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 5 November 2020 15: 26
          +1
          Less llama, decent fishing boat. hi
  • yfast
    yfast 5 November 2020 14: 54
    -2
    and being without a single aircraft carrier for a whole decade is too unaffordable a luxury for the Russian fleet

    It is quite a normal affordable luxury. It's easier to make a mound to America than to (go) (sail) there on this aircraft carrier.
  • Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 5 November 2020 15: 21
    +2
    Quote: vladimir1155
    pour money into a useless vessel of prestige, especially touched by the dock in 2021 ... where? he has no combat security ... he is generally not adapted to the north, it would be a wise decision to sell him to India to China, and if not ... then transfer him to the Black Sea Fleet, even if he sometimes goes to Syria, and at other times receives official delegations and entertains journalists , instead of Moscow, which could be useful in the North as a powerful PLO frigate


    You can't just drive him to Syria - when he walked from Nikolaev after construction, the mast was partially dismantled on it - did not pass under the bridge in the Bosphorus ...
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 5 November 2020 22: 21
      +2
      Quote: Igor Borisov_2
      you can't drive him to Syria

      Duc and in Syria he is not needed
      he walks emptyly around Crimea to Bocharov Brook, it's warm there and planes can fly and the team won't freeze, vacationers will take a picture of him from the beaches
      1. TulaTokarev
        TulaTokarev 6 November 2020 01: 58
        -2
        You can also walk it along Odessa, let them take pictures from the beaches there too)))
  • JD1979
    JD1979 5 November 2020 15: 24
    10
    Maybe tow him to Syria, it feels safer for him there. At home, they managed to drown the dock, pierce the deck and set fire to it. And this is still not really taken for repairs.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 5 November 2020 15: 44
    +2
    Was the cost of damage from the owner of the flooded PD kept? This is just for a start.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 5 November 2020 18: 56
      +4
      With Sechin or what? Rosneft had PD-50.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 5 November 2020 19: 19
        +1
        Here I am about it
  • Calm
    Calm 5 November 2020 15: 48
    +4
    Pounding water in a mortar for decades, that's all the government is doing, and down the stairs. By and large, the navy and space, medicine, education, nothing is simply NOT and is not foreseen. There is not even a hint of this in the next 10 years for sure ... young people are watching to the west.
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 5 November 2020 15: 58
    -1
    Kater kak okhrana AV?
    Nu, nu. Lapshi na ushi.
  • Turanov
    Turanov 5 November 2020 16: 36
    -9
    Well, we remembered again .. Now they will wash all the bones))) They will upgrade it without fail, this is a matter of principle!
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 November 2020 18: 51
    -3
    It's not up to you to decide whether we need or don't need the aircraft carrier Kuznetsrv. It will be restored, as you don’t get exiled here. For the sake of the blessed memory of Major General Timur Avtandilovich Apakidze, who dedicated his life to an aircraft carrier and carrier-based aviation pilots. , your opinion is not interesting to the leadership of the Navy.
  • vel1163
    vel1163 5 November 2020 23: 47
    +2
    There is no Kuznetsov, but there is Bekas!
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 6 November 2020 06: 09
    +2
    It seems to me that "Kuzya" exists more for show, such as we have an aircraft carrier. Although we ourselves create tools that nullify the capabilities of aircraft carriers. Well, let them repair it, of course, whatever ...
  • Desperado
    Desperado 6 November 2020 09: 30
    +1
    Quote: Reiter
    I can recall that the USSR then crept in grain in Canada and the United States. Was there no technology? At the same time, both at school and at the institute, I constantly went to help in collective farms, sometimes weeding, then harvesting. And still, with this free aid, something was constantly lacking in our national economy. But now the Russian Federation exports grain, in first place in the world. Apparently it's not about technology, but about the inability to effectively manage the economy.


    Just do not forget that this grain is of low quality and everything goes to feed, the Russian Federation, in turn, buys higher quality grades of grain and flour from Canada and Finland. The culture of breeding its high quality varieties according to .. (write your own word) since the 90s ...
    1. Reiter
      Reiter 6 November 2020 17: 57
      0
      Previously, this was not the case.
  • lelik613
    lelik613 7 November 2020 08: 19
    0
    Swap names urgently Kuzi и Snipe, well, report on the completion of the repair ...
  • Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 7 November 2020 14: 12
    0
    You have to sell it while the Chinese or Indians buy it, add money and build something more modern for the Russian fleet.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 10 November 2020 12: 12
    0
    who would not say anything .. on it right now the technology will roll back as I understand it for new ones! will take into account all childhood diseases, etc.! and only then it will be possible to take for something significant! for and the question of what exactly is needed .. only specialists know .. everything else, just speculation!