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USA left Indonesia without fifth generation F-35 fighters

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USA left Indonesia without fifth generation F-35 fighters

The United States left Indonesia without fifth-generation F-35 fighters. According to the Indonesian Ambassador to the United States, Muhammad Lutfi, Washington does not intend to sell fifth generation fighters until Jakarta purchases American F-16 fighters, CNN Indonesia reported.


According to the ambassador, Washington said that Jakarta cannot own fifth-generation Lockheed Martin F-35 fighters until it purchases American fourth-generation fighters.

So there are platforms we have to work on to get the F-35. We must have 4th generation fighters. We must have F-16 fighters

- declared Lutfi.

The ambassador explained that in the near future the United States will come to Indonesia with a proposal to purchase a batch of F-16 fighters.

It should be noted that talks about the acquisition of F-16 fighters by Indonesia have been going on for a long time. Last fall, Air Force Chief of Staff Marshal aviation Yuyu Sutisna announced plans for Jakarta to purchase two F-16 squadrons of the latest modification.

At the same time, the contract for the purchase of Russian Su-35 fighters "stuck". Recall that the contract for the purchase of 11 Su-35 fighters by Indonesia was signed on February 14, 2018 in Jakarta. The Indonesian Ministry of Defense originally planned that the first two Su-35s should be delivered to the country in August 2019 - by Armed Forces Day (October 5). The remaining nine cars were planned to be transferred later in two batches of four and five units by February 2020 and by July 2020.

In March this year, Bloomberg, citing sources in the US White House administration, reported that Indonesia had refused to purchase Russian Su-35 fighters. The reason for this was called American pressure and the threat of sanctions against Jakarta. However, Russia did not receive official notice from Jakarta about the termination of the contract, although the Russian aircraft industry recognized that the "contract was suspended."

In July, the country's defense minister, Lieutenant General Prabovo Subianto, announced that he intended to visit Moscow to discuss a contract for Russian fighters.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 November 2020 12: 09
    +4
    Washington does not intend to sell fifth generation fighters until Jakarta purchases American F-16 fighters, CNN Indonesia reported.
    And rightly so, the calf is always small. Why sell junk for 5 if you can sell it for 6 lard, although add a little luminescence?
    1. figwam
      figwam 4 November 2020 12: 37
      +5
      Jakarta cannot own fifth-generation Lockheed Martin F-35 fighters until it purchases American fourth-generation fighters.

    2. Baloo
      Baloo 4 November 2020 13: 31
      +2
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Washington does not intend to sell fifth generation fighters until Jakarta purchases American F-16 fighters, CNN Indonesia reported.
      And rightly so, the calf is always small. Why sell junk for 5 if you can sell it for 6 lard, although add a little luminescence?

      Why does Indonesia need these fighters? They need to strengthen their air defense and coastal defense. Make friends with Russia, Indonesians. The Amerza will arrange for you some kind of mango-banana revolution.
      1. Volkof
        Volkof 5 November 2020 22: 59
        +1
        She doesn't need them at all, and how can she use them? Indonesia can also thank the pi_ndos for the refusal ...
  2. newcomer
    newcomer 4 November 2020 12: 10
    +9
    laughing "What a pain, what a pain: USA Indonesia five zero."
    1. Turanov
      Turanov 4 November 2020 12: 24
      0
      Quote: newbie
      laughing "What a pain, what a pain: USA Indonesia five zero."

      They milk Indonesia and blackmail them like other countries ..
      That's all I’m waiting for when the decommissioned F-35 is swallowed to Ukraine)))) One she will pull, for the fiery anti-Russian rhetoric wassat
      1. halpat
        halpat 4 November 2020 12: 33
        +3
        Quote: Turanov
        Quote: newbie
        laughing "What a pain, what a pain: USA Indonesia five zero."

        They milk Indonesia and blackmail them like other countries ..
        That's all I’m waiting for when the decommissioned F-35 is swallowed to Ukraine)))) One she will pull, for the fiery anti-Russian rhetoric wassat

        As before, in Soviet stores they used to sell "on load". The same is proposed here to Indonesia.
        And 404 you can donate a plastic model to F-35, "do it yourself" constructor. Let it stick.
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 4 November 2020 12: 55
        +2
        They will definitely not give to Ukraine, we will throw a cry at the VO, collect the loot and the next day he is already in Rostov, he is invisible.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 November 2020 13: 13
        +3
        Quote: Turanov
        They milk Indonesia and blackmail them like other countries ..

        American "economic killers" have long ago made a "cash cow" out of Indonesia.
      4. newcomer
        newcomer 4 November 2020 13: 19
        +2
        Maximum thrust of ukrlenda_ "Tucano", a couple.
        1. Turanov
          Turanov 4 November 2020 13: 28
          -2
          Quote: newbie
          Maximum thrust of ukrlenda_ "Tucano", a couple.

          laughing good Laughed thanks
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 4 November 2020 18: 00
            0
            On health.
    2. the Saint
      the Saint 4 November 2020 22: 11
      -1
      Quote: newbie
      "What a pain, what a pain: USA Indonesia five zero."

      And Indonesia will leave the United States without palm oil in exchange for fighters.
  3. Machete
    Machete 4 November 2020 12: 11
    +2
    PHAHAA!
    You can also collect the third from the landfills. Also money.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 November 2020 13: 15
      0
      Quote: Machete
      You can also collect the third from the landfills. Also money.

      Well, you can expect anything from the greedy Yankees. It will not be surprising if they demand to purchase the entire "line" from the first to the fourth generation.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 4 November 2020 12: 17
    +1
    And sho, good deal, for the minke whales!
    Problems of someone there, minke whales are not interested!
    1. Turanov
      Turanov 4 November 2020 13: 00
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      And sho, good deal, for the minke whales!
      Problems of someone there, minke whales are not interested!

      And if they don't agree, the accounts will be blocked, like Kremlin agents, etc. Do not wash, so by rolling they will shake off their illiquid assets laughing
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 November 2020 13: 13
        +1
        The striped people have established new rules of trade ... the main thing is that they seriously backed them up with arguments.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 November 2020 13: 20
        +3
        Quote: Turanov
        And if they don't agree, the accounts will be blocked, like Kremlin agents, etc.

        Yes, they can, whatever you want to do, Indonesia has been on the hook for a long time. John Perkins described this in his book.
  5. Gunther
    Gunther 4 November 2020 12: 18
    +5
    The Yankels have completely lost their shores, then they stretch their jurisdiction over the whole world like an owl on a globe and kidnap citizens, for example, of Russia, now they are putting Indonesian partners in lobster, although they have already caved in, they decided to abandon our Su-35s.
    It's time for us to attract mattresses under the article - violation of the Law on the Protection of Consumer Rights, namely paragraph 2 of Article 16, which prohibits the purchase of certain goods (works, services) from being conditional on the compulsory purchase of other goods, we must take an example from "partners" laughing
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 4 November 2020 12: 44
      +6
      As soon as they put in a big and fat one, they will also impose sanctions that they, exceptional, are taught request
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 4 November 2020 13: 56
      -1
      since when did the Indonesians become partners for amers? They breed them and use them without petroleum jelly
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 November 2020 12: 21
    +3
    Washington does not intend to sell fifth generation fighters until Jakarta purchases American F-16 fighters
    That's right, but how else to shake their wallet more, if not selling first the previous models, and then with an important look and from the master's shoulder the notorious F-35. And before that, pressure so that Indonesia backed down on the issue of purchasing Russian aircraft. Business is business.
  7. fn34440
    fn34440 4 November 2020 12: 22
    0
    As a result of the "multi-vector" foreign policy, Indonesia will receive three squadrons of PO-2 from the "aircraft manufacturers" of Ukraine.
    Lenin's term "political pr ---- tuts" is as relevant as ever.
  8. askort154
    askort154 4 November 2020 12: 22
    +5
    First, the left testicle was pressed - "refuse the deal with the Russians, buy the F-35"!
    When they refused, they pressed their right testicle - "if you want an F-35, then buy an F-16 first!
    The usual strategy of the Anglo-Saxons is to make concessions to get on the neck.
  9. Thrifty
    Thrifty 4 November 2020 12: 22
    +3
    Everything is purely American-that is, without the right to choose! Indonesia SHOULD not know what, but we must, and therefore naturally MUST buy from the Yankees f16, which Indonesians need a microscope like a janitor!
  10. Sergey39
    Sergey39 4 November 2020 12: 24
    0
    Changing the SU 35 to F35 + F16 is stupid. Indonesia is playing for time to close the obvious deal at the right time.
  11. Raven 95
    Raven 95 4 November 2020 12: 36
    +9
    So that the third world does not dream of these F-35s as a panacea for everything, it is high time to "tarnish" their reputation.
    One shake of air in the style of "penguin is not a bird" and "966 fatal flaws" is clearly not enough.
    It's time to blame. One. Better a couple. By any means, even a "random" missile, even with an RPG from the bushes.
    And let them spit.
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 November 2020 12: 36
    +2
    If the contract for Drying fails, it will be a pity. Our military-industrial complex needs contracts in order to develop and reduce the cost ... Striped ears need even more. Therefore, they no longer choose ways to achieve their goal, bribery, blackmail, threats ...
    1. Turanov
      Turanov 4 November 2020 13: 03
      -4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      If the contract for Drying fails, it will be a pity. Our military-industrial complex needs contracts in order to develop and reduce the cost ... Striped ears need even more. Therefore, they no longer choose ways to achieve their goal, bribery, blackmail, threats ...

      I agree with you Eugene! Malice crushes the West and the toad chokes, lest the Russian take over the whole world.
      1. the Saint
        the Saint 4 November 2020 22: 15
        -2
        Quote: Turanov
        no matter how Russian has captured the whole world.

        Refugees from Russia, what le? lol
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 November 2020 13: 38
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Stripes need even more. Therefore, they no longer choose ways to achieve their goal, bribery, blackmail, threats ...

      The most reliable thing is to make the state economically dependent. Having built any infrastructure on credit, they make this state dependent, and can impose any conditions.
  13. aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 November 2020 12: 45
    0
    Washington does not intend to sell fifth generation fighters until Jakarta purchases American F-16 fighters.
    I remember the old Soviet times, when vodka was not sold without rusty herring stitching. wassat
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 4 November 2020 13: 11
      +5
      Sheriff, I'm sorry, but in the Soviet Union one could even have a snack with "rusty herring", it was made according to GOST. Well, if it wasn't Swedish surstroemming, of course ... wink
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 4 November 2020 13: 26
        0
        Quote: sabakina
        Sheriff, I'm sorry, but in the Soviet Union one could even have a snack with "rusty herring", it was made according to GOST. Well, if it wasn't Swedish surstroemming, of course ... wink

        Herring Iwashi, that was it! Now this is only rented to Japan, and even then ..
        And canned food, where the bones were so soft .. Eh damn
        Pollock was not considered a fish at all, now, like a red fish for a price, and then rotten and frozen ..
        The pancake survived to tear her in the head and down the dog's tail. angry
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 4 November 2020 14: 53
          +1
          Iwashi herring is still freely sold both lightly salted and frozen. In canned food, the bones are also soft, as in the old days, and correctly selected canned food is also very tasty good
          1. Turanov
            Turanov 4 November 2020 15: 05
            -4
            Quote: Mitroha
            Iwashi herring is still freely sold both lightly salted and frozen. In canned food, the bones are also soft, as in the old days, and correctly selected canned food is also very tasty good

            I haven't seen something on sale .. Don't you confuse it with a simple herring?
            Iwasi herring is a very rare type of fish and only in a certain season was it caught in the USSR!
            Iwasi is a Far Eastern sardine, which is a close relative of real herring, which, in principle, is not surprising, because this fish also belongs to the Herring family. Iwashi is a wild fish, that is, it is not raised on fish farms. Iwashi is characterized by the presence of a fairly impressive amount of fat, which can be easily separated from the dense, but fleshy carcasses.

            They are not on sale for a very long time .. Previously, they were sold in large round jars ..
            1. Mitroha
              Mitroha 4 November 2020 16: 02
              +1
              No, I don't. And also in canned food is full
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 5 November 2020 02: 51
        0

        sabakina (Vyacheslav (Russia))
        Yesterday, 13: 11
        NEW

        +4
        Sheriff I'm sorry but in the Soviet Union it was possible to eat even "rusty herring", it was made according to GOST. Well, if it wasn't Swedish surstroemming of course ... wink
        Quite right! They took it out of a wooden barrel - pepper, excellent lavrushka snack !!! good
  14. Alien From
    Alien From 4 November 2020 13: 04
    +2
    Bye Bye. While inside, let them figure it out.
  15. Tugarin
    Tugarin 4 November 2020 13: 33
    18
    The F-16 train is leaving, we must have time to sell as much as possible. I remember they imposed it on India.
  16. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 4 November 2020 13: 41
    +1
    Americans keep the whole world in one place. I wonder what the world will do to them for this when their power is shaken.
  17. hydroy
    hydroy 4 November 2020 14: 11
    -1
    Business in American)
  18. NF68
    NF68 4 November 2020 17: 02
    0
    Don't buy lottery tickets - turn off the gas!
  19. fa2998
    fa2998 4 November 2020 18: 16
    0
    Quote: rotmistr60
    shake their wallet more,

    And Indonesia buys planes from other countries, pays with dollars or like with us, palm oil?
    It's good that the deal was banned, where did Indonesia get the money for the F-35 batch and other expenses.? hi
  20. PCF
    PCF 5 November 2020 06: 45
    0
    I just want to ask.
    In the English-language press, there is no 5th generation, it is "the Russians invented everything", there is simply next generation, why multiply entities ???
    By the way, the same question about "social distance", why is this stupid tracing paper from the media?
    Social distancing, also called “physical distancing” - equated a hedgehog and a snake.
    The social distance is between Vasya the locksmith and the press secretary of His Darkness.
    INCREDIBLE distance, and between people on the street is simply abstand, as the Germans say, distance.
    The fifth, sixth generation, these are such conventions ... There are no general requirements, there are no samples that fully satisfy the requirements of ALL experts (well, maybe the Fu-22 will ride), one popsnya with commercial advertising in half.
    There are NO more true samurai with a katana in the cockpit of a fighter.
  21. Grif
    Grif 6 November 2020 04: 06
    0
    F-16 in the load? This is already dishonorable.