Military Review

"Previously, hungry soldiers were sent to pick mushrooms, now the Russian army has become different" - British press

105
"Previously, hungry soldiers were sent to pick mushrooms, now the Russian army has become different" - British press

The Russian army, which is the successor to the Soviet armed forces, is today one of the most powerful armies in the world. The funds invested in the transformation of the army allowed Russia to significantly upgrade its weapons and equipment. This is the conclusion reached by the British edition of The Economist.


After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the once mighty Soviet army was left to fend for itself, the newspaper writes. The troops were not paid wages, the very pay of the military was less than that of civilian professions. The food was bad, hungry soldiers were sent to the forests to pick mushrooms and berries. The Russian army, which was in a deplorable state, won the war with Georgia with great difficulty.

After the war, the magazine writes, Moscow decided to reform the army, allocating significant sums for this. Russia's defense spending doubled between 2005 and 2018, with annual defense spending ranging from $ 150 billion to $ 180 billion.

A significant part of the allocated funds was used to re-equip the army. Over the past 10 years, the Russian military has received 600 new aircraft, 840 helicopters and 2300 drones. If in 2007 more than 99% of armored vehicles were produced in the Soviet Union, today 27% of them are modern vehicles. IN aviation 97% of the legacy "legacy" has become 71% of modern aircraft.

Russia is investing heavily in the development and deployment of high-precision weapons, adopting the Iskander-M OTRK, the Caliber and Kh-101 cruise missiles.

The Russian army has become not only better armed, but also more mobile. Russia, if necessary, is capable of delivering 30 soldiers, along with heavy equipment, to any hot spot in Europe within 100 days. NATO, for today, will face a bunch of problems with half of the indicated indicators and with lighter weapons.

(...) about 5 thousand Russian paratroopers can be in full combat readiness in two hours. The soldiers are constantly in shape by participating in large-scale military exercises. Russia changed mass to speed

- said Lieutenant General Jim Hockenhall, head of British military intelligence.

In addition, the modern Russian army has the added advantage of being involved in hostilities in Ukraine and Syria.

Of course, the newspaper writes, not everything was corrected. The construction of warships is still proceeding slowly, there are no domestic long-range drones, the introduction of advanced weapons is postponed to a later date.

The modern Russian army has become completely different, not like the Soviet one, sums up the British publication. NATO has underestimated the ability of Russia's military power in modern warfare, so the collective West needs to revise its strategies and military budgets upward in the light of new threats from Russia.


105 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 4 November 2020 08: 52 New
    28
    Previously, soldiers were sent to pick mushrooms, now soldiers send others to pick mushrooms at the New Year's table. There are a lot of forests, the soldiers love to add mushrooms to the New Year's menu, how can you put violets under the tree. What do people smoke in Britain?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 4 November 2020 09: 01 New
      17
      Quote: seregatara1969
      Previously, soldiers were sent to pick mushrooms, now soldiers send others to pick mushrooms at the New Year's table. There are a lot of forests, the soldiers love to add mushrooms to the New Year's menu, how can you put violets under the tree. What do people smoke in Britain?


      The British, of course, are still stubs ... But the "blessed 90s" must be remembered ...

      On the outskirts, for example, in 1992, an acquaintance was called up and served not far from home - in the Luhansk region.
      So he was sent home several times during his service, like on vacation - to warm up and cheer up ...
      There was nothing to eat in the unit, the barracks were not heated ...
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 4 November 2020 09: 11 New
        10
        Russia has changed mass for speed, said Lieutenant General Jim Hockenhall, head of British military intelligence.


        Let them count yes that massiveness was sacrificed for speed ...

      2. lucul
        lucul 4 November 2020 11: 05 New
        +8
        So he was sent home several times during his service, like on vacation - to warm up and cheer up ...
        There was nothing to eat in the unit, the barracks were not heated ...

        No need to slander the "holy 90s". Whether it is now - we eat the last hedgehogs without salt - "to what Putin has brought the country."
        (Sarcasm, for those in the tank).
      3. yehat2
        yehat2 5 November 2020 12: 34 New
        0
        barracks in Novosibirsk are not drowned either, although it is much colder there.
        and in the 90s, yes, tens of thousands of conscripts learned in the army what scurvy and other problems due to nutrition and living conditions were.
    2. Bykov.
      Bykov. 4 November 2020 09: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: seregatara1969
      ... What do people smoke in Britain?

      The small-British journalist also threw mushrooms-fly agarics on the gut, so he imagines all kinds of unseen things. They have such traditions on the island in epistolary art. And this one, like Lewis Carroll, decided to put his hallucination on paper.
      1. frruc
        frruc 4 November 2020 10: 07 New
        +4
        The food was bad, hungry soldiers were sent to the forests to pick mushrooms and berries. The Russian army, which was in a deplorable state, won the war with Georgia with great difficulty.

        Article from Galyun-Times. Rave.
        1. ancient
          ancient 4 November 2020 11: 18 New
          -5
          Quote: frruc
          Article from Galyun-Times. Rave.

          Didn't serve in the army last time ... never? wassat
          1. frruc
            frruc 4 November 2020 14: 38 New
            +5
            Well, this is where someone is lucky to serve. I served in the 90s in the North Caucasus in the countryside. The officers were not paid salaries for six months. But nobody died of starvation. Vegetables, fruits, river fish were free. Sturgeon was brought directly to the unit at 10 r / kg and on loan by cars, good wine from wineries 8-10 r / l (cheaper than a bottle of beer). And from the heads of agricultural settlements they often brought us humanitarian aid. For which many thanks to them.
            1. ancient
              ancient 4 November 2020 17: 40 New
              +5
              Quote: frruc
              But nobody died of starvation.

              And who is talking ... about starvation? I wrote about interruptions in the allowance of personnel of 16 VA and units of YES soldier
      2. ancient
        ancient 4 November 2020 11: 17 New
        -2
        Quote: Bulls.
        A small-British journalist also threw mushrooms-fly agarics on the intestine

        Do not know ... do not .. "pi .... shi" wassat ... they ate how cute ... fortunately, they appeared as soon as the snow melted (joke) and when it fell out of it, and they still "stand" ... (not a joke) wink
        For example, we also collected "chanterelles" (reusable) and "pshek" for 15 "Baku" .. "traded" ... took with a bang wink
    3. Grandfather
      Grandfather 4 November 2020 10: 03 New
      12
      The Russian army, which was in a deplorable state, won the war with Georgia with great difficulty.
    4. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 4 November 2020 10: 28 New
      +2
      I didn’t go for mushrooms, but I had to dig potatoes on their bellies lying down with my bare hands laughing It is all to blame for the usual laxity and slowness of the supply chain, and this is in the rich USSR. Only no one complained about hardships and hardships, patience must be taught, as well as combat.
      1. ancient
        ancient 4 November 2020 11: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Kopychev
        I didn’t go for mushrooms, but I had to dig potatoes on their bellies lying down with my bare hands

        Finally, a comment from a person who has experienced ... all the "hardships and hardships" drinks ... that's right ... they only wore blue overalls, not camouflage, well, they knew beforehand or "reconnaissance" guessed that a harvester is working at the facility (turns potatoes out of the ground) and then students collect them in the morning ... in the twilight to do "sorties" .... for one "sortie" it was possible to collect 3-4 bags of 30-35 kg (6-ki will no longer fit into the trunk), and ... you can "stick" in a forest plantation - some soft gully and then ... sadness crying
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 4 November 2020 14: 11 New
          +1
          He served as a conscript in Primorye, 83 OVDBr at that time, 2001-2003
          Yes, we didn’t eat in a restaurant, but we didn’t run around the gardens either.
          Although, the guys who came after school in Khabarovsk said that everything is awesome with us, they came as after a concentration camp, to be honest
          But in our unit with the support, everything was fine, although at that time the brigade belonged to the KDVO, and not to the command of the Airborne Forces
          Dad served in Amurka in the 90s
          What mushrooms? Yes, the salary (allowance) was paid with delays, but
          The rations helped out quite well than the family lived
          At least no one died of hunger, and his soldiers lived well
        2. Alexander Kopychev
          Alexander Kopychev 4 November 2020 14: 57 New
          +5
          Thank you Brother! hi Yeah ... Be healthy for the havchik! The harsh committee of soldiers' mothers in VO wassat And a good soldier, like a good worker, by definition is always “hungry.” I also remember Rommel’s words, I’m not responsible for accuracy, but the meaning is this: “To defeat the American division, I need a pair of dive bombers to destroy the baggage train with ice cream and coke -coly ". Such a formula was not tried on for a Soviet soldier.
    5. ancient
      ancient 4 November 2020 11: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: seregatara1969
      There are a lot of forests, soldiers like to add mushrooms to the New Year's menu, how can you put violets under the tree.

      And where does such a "pearl" come from? wassat .. something I did not find in the article.
      Quote: seregatara1969
      now soldiers are sending others for mushrooms to the New Year's table.

      Is this the same question?
      Quote: seregatara1969
      Soldiers used to be sent to pick mushrooms

      And in the words of the general there is truthful information 92-94. Home menu- Mushroom salad, soup with mushrooms, fried potatoes with mushrooms ... porridge (pasta) with mushrooms .. compote .. (from mushrooms wassat ..joke).
      And so it is with each and every family.
      I won't say about the soldiers ... but the officers (both flight and technical) were regularly used ... because they were fed so in the canteens that .... there were also "discontent" with the call of the "bosses from Bolshaya Pirogovka 23" soldier
      1. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 4 November 2020 16: 42 New
        +2
        They have such a tale, "twelve months" is called. They got food for the soldiers themselves, showing ingenuity, cooperating with local state farms, it is more illegal. Fortunately, the automobile troops were full of iron stores. They exchanged them for potatoes, peas, meat - what the villagers had. The soldiers did not live in poverty. We managed to stock up on food for the whole winter.
    6. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 November 2020 11: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: seregatara1969
      What do people smoke in Britain?

      They like to sniff the path more.
    7. Thrifty
      Thrifty 4 November 2020 11: 36 New
      +4
      Mushrooms with potatoes and onions with vodka and outdoors - during the exercises in the army it was taken for granted! We in Belarus, and in the Baltics, did not pick mushrooms because someone sent them, or were starving, nonsense - in 88 -89 years we fed even well - we just respected to eat mushrooms with onions and potatoes for vodka, according to the Soviet tradition! !! drinks
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 4 November 2020 11: 51 New
        +3
        And in the late 90s I myself treated the servicemen with tobacco and vodka. For the anniversary, units were sent to the table to dig up spisul ... It's October, the sea is not at all warm. They froze, they specifically asked for the fire. They did not have a hunger strike, as on the Russian island, but ate modestly.
        Now only contractors serve there, the difference is huge. So the Briton is right about something.
    8. iouris
      iouris 4 November 2020 12: 32 New
      -1
      Quote: seregatara1969
      What do people smoke in Britain?

      I don't know what they smoke, but Ukrainian "leaders" dream of smoking it.
    9. astepanov
      astepanov 4 November 2020 13: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: seregatara1969
      What do people smoke in Britain?

      The nephew served in the nineties: he ended up in a hospital with dystrophy - weight loss of more than 30 kg, he barely got out. What would Yeltsin in the next world, the devils fed the same bastard.
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 5 November 2020 12: 38 New
        0
        something strange. I weighed 22 kg at 54, if I lost 30, I would definitely not pump it out
        although in the ski marathon there was a case of losing 7 (weighed 47 at the finish).
        wondering how much the nephew weighed so he could lose so much.
    10. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 5 November 2020 01: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: seregatara1969
      What do people smoke in Britain?

      Nothing special - children of the discovery channel. It's very funny when they start talking about the gulag on Solzhenitsyn. So the normal process wink
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 4 November 2020 08: 52 New
    +8
    And why is it our eternal adversary so scattered in compliments ...? Now wait for a stab in the back ...
    1. Turanov
      Turanov 4 November 2020 08: 56 New
      -1
      Quote: Doccor18
      And why is it our eternal adversary so scattered in compliments ...? Now wait for a stab in the back ...

      If they started praising, expect trouble in Russia ... I got upset, it would be better if they were accused of something, somehow more familiar .. hi
      And at the expense of the Army and the Navy .. If you want peace, get ready for war!
      1. ancient
        ancient 4 November 2020 11: 27 New
        +7
        Quote: Turanov
        And at the expense of the Army and the Navy .. If you want peace, get ready for war!

        If the "rodents" had not flooded 08.08.08 .. it is not known how long the "serdyukovshchina" would have lasted recourse , and if the Roki tunnel had been blocked, then ... it was scary to think ... how the events developed soldier
        1. Turanov
          Turanov 4 November 2020 11: 39 New
          -1
          Quote: ancient
          Quote: Turanov
          And at the expense of the Army and the Navy .. If you want peace, get ready for war!

          If the "rodents" had not flooded 08.08.08 .. it is not known how long the "serdyukovshchina" would have lasted recourse , and if the Roki tunnel had been blocked, then ... it was scary to think ... how the events developed soldier

          Everything is correct, then we understood that the time had come and the delay of death was like ..
          Now, too, is an alarming time, the borders of Russia are set on fire and the Anaconda is squeezing us ..
        2. Andobor
          Andobor 4 November 2020 21: 19 New
          -2
          Quote: ancient
          and if the Roki tunnel had been blocked, then ... it was scary to think ... how the events developed

          In order to block the Roki tunnel, you need to occupy the entire South Ossetia,
          that is, this is the end of all events - not otherwise.
          1. ancient
            ancient 5 November 2020 12: 32 New
            0
            Quote: Andobor
            the tunnel needs to be occupied throughout South Ossetia

            And that the landing of tactical assault forces has already been canceled ..... in the methods of conducting the database?
            Or is the Armed Forces of South Ossetia ... wow ... "strongholds"? wink
            1. Andobor
              Andobor 5 November 2020 22: 01 New
              -2
              The geography of those places must be presented. - In that terrain, it is impossible to land a landing, rocks, steep slopes and a crevice of several tens of kilometers, any landing can be laid from the tunnel with one machine gun, - who will not be smeared over the rocks.
              1. ancient
                ancient 6 November 2020 13: 20 New
                0
                Quote: Andobor
                The geography of those places must be represented

                That's it wink
                Quote: Andobor
                It is impossible to land a landing in that relief, rocks, steep slopes and a crevice are several tens of kilometers

                Often ... "have been"? .. Or in .. "tyrnete" looked wassat ?
                Here's an approach to the Roki tunnel ....... at least drop a few divisions ....... "Strateg" you are ours ...... "machine-gun" wassat

                And that before the landing of the assault, space reconnaissance and additional reconnaissance of the area and targets were carried out ... did not you hear? wink
                And immediately before the landing, the support groups (aviation) protect the identified OT ... have you heard the same?
                They don't report to ..the sofa? wassat
                1. Andobor
                  Andobor 6 November 2020 22: 13 New
                  -1
                  Quote: ancient
                  Often ... have you "been"? .. Or have you looked at .. "tyrnete"?
                  Here's the approach to the Roki tunnel ....... at least a few divisions land

                  Often, - he worked there, - all divisions can be put from the portal of the tunnel with one machine gun, but they still have to climb onto the rocks, and the aviation will not do anything to him, but whoever will let her go there is already the border of Russia.
      2. Charik
        Charik 4 November 2020 11: 47 New
        -4
        well, there are two options: either they hid under mushrooms in the forest or they want to attack through the forest
    2. nnm
      nnm 4 November 2020 08: 58 New
      +4
      I think everything is easier - here he is a terrible Russian bear, and now give us a lot of money to protect us from him, otherwise tomorrow he will come and eat us all
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 4 November 2020 11: 30 New
        -3
        Quote: nnm
        I think everything is easier - here he is a terrible Russian bear, and now give us a lot of money to protect us from him, otherwise tomorrow he will come and eat us all

        Well, this howl has long been known in our history, since the time of Peter the Great ..
        Now it is already a kind of business brand in the West .. Scold Russia and get bonuses!
        But gentlemen do not think about the consequences of such a policy of double standards ...
        We "Ivans" are of course gullible, simple-minded and generous .. But this is for the time being, and then
        Well, I hope everyone knows what happens if a Russian bear is woken up and angry negative
        That is how we live . hi From and to ..
    3. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 4 November 2020 09: 00 New
      -2
      British edition of The Economist.
      And I thought it was the report of our Minister of Defense to the Security Council! Look how they galloped! soldier
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 4 November 2020 11: 42 New
        -5
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        British edition of The Economist.
        And I thought it was the report of our Minister of Defense to the Security Council! Look how they galloped! soldier

        Well, Shoigu is not a fan of chatting, you see someone listened carefully there and reported ..)))))
    4. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 4 November 2020 09: 59 New
      +8
      Quote: Doccor18
      And why is it our eternal adversary so scattered in compliments ...? Now wait for a stab in the back ...
      We already have all our backs in axes and scars from the blows inflicted by the homegrown liberota entrenched in the economic bloc of the government, the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank. Initiatives to cut funding for the Russian army and power bloc with enviable consistency come from these Kudrins, Siluanovs, Medvedevs, Nabiullins and other "effective" managers who are making every effort to restrain Russia both in strengthening its defense and in developing industry. yes
      P / S-I think that in the NATO bloc it would never have occurred to anyone to get into the pocket of military pensioners and set decreasing coefficients, as the Medvedev government did. Not to mention the other "goodies" offered today by Siluanov in order to cause an outflow from the army and make the service less attractive.
      1. Charik
        Charik 4 November 2020 11: 49 New
        -2
        well, if the finances of the power bloc are cut, not scary, werewolves will extort more from the people
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 4 November 2020 12: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: Charik
          well, if the finances of the power bloc are cut, not scary, werewolves will extort more from the people

          Here the question is no longer in a personal relationship to a particular state structure, but in the approach of the authorities to the performance of the functions assumed. The power unit in any state performs a function aimed at the implementation of the law established by the government. It often happens that the power is on the bunk on the other side of the fence, which is guarded by the same power unit. At first, Reimer headed the Federal Penitentiary Service, now the Federal Penitentiary Service is guarding the convicted Reimer.
  3. nnm
    nnm 4 November 2020 08: 53 New
    +8
    Well, no way without writing nonsense ...
    The Russian army, which was in a deplorable state, won the war with Georgia with great difficulty.

    Honestly, I don’t know of such cases that "hungry soldiers" would send mushrooms and berries to gather for food. To collective farms, for potatoes, etc., when supplies were also sent to the unit as payment, yes. But maybe where it was, of course. The years were still those. Somehow pork carcasses with a fascist stigma from 1942 were brought from warehouses. I saw it myself.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 4 November 2020 09: 23 New
      10
      I served in 87.
      They did not starve from the word at all.
      But they sent for the berries.
      Cooked and closed the compote in three-liter jars.
      1. Avior
        Avior 4 November 2020 10: 00 New
        +3
        Earlier I collected watermelons.
        What the state farm-collective farm paid off with a part, I do not know, perhaps cabbage, we salted it for the winter, or potatoes.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 4 November 2020 10: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          perhaps cabbage, we salted it for the winter, or potatoes.
          Sauerkraut with soaked apples in it, what could be more beautiful with hot potatoes?
          1. ancient
            ancient 4 November 2020 11: 34 New
            0
            Quote: sabakina
            what could be more beautiful for a hot potato?

            Aha ..... to the artificial wassat ... and then ... in a cabbage and into ... the air ... wassat .... you won't wish on the enemy crying
        2. Livonetc
          Livonetc 4 November 2020 10: 24 New
          +2
          We salted watermelons in barrels.
          The vegetable warehouse was large, which was not stored there.
          1. Avior
            Avior 4 November 2020 10: 32 New
            +2
            I don’t remember salted arzbuzes, but cabbage was salted in large pits.
          2. Turanov
            Turanov 4 November 2020 12: 39 New
            -2
            Quote: Livonetc
            We salted watermelons in barrels.
            The vegetable warehouse was large, which was not stored there.

            Damn drooling as much .. Barrel salting is something! I want to do it
            P / S / I tried to pickle store cucumbers, they turned into jelly .. Horror !!!!
      2. ancient
        ancient 4 November 2020 11: 32 New
        +8
        Quote: Livonetc
        I served in 87.
        They did not starve from the word at all.

        Conversation for 92 years and .. after .. until mid-95
        1. Turanov
          Turanov 4 November 2020 12: 44 New
          -3
          Quote: ancient
          Quote: Livonetc
          I served in 87.
          They did not starve from the word at all.

          Conversation for 92 years and .. after .. until mid-95

          There was a case, the soldiers were really starving .. On the island "Russky" there was noise at that time, there they were completely forgotten, dystrophy and many died ... It's a shame, which is a shame to remember, but this is exactly what the screaming away, freedom wanted, the West will help us and etc. ..
          They helped, the encirclement is complete and pressured on all fronts ..
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 4 November 2020 09: 29 New
      +5
      Quote: nnm
      The years were still those

      93rd year, Sevastopol, sailors were sent to the nearest former state farm to collect apricots, they paid for this collection again with apricots. The midshipman sold this apricot at the market and bought potatoes, cereals, salt and sugar for the whole crew ... and so we lived!
      Quote: nnm
      Somehow, pork carcasses with a fascist stigma were brought from warehouses from 1942.

      In 88 I saw beef carcasses with the same brand from 1944 in a naval refrigerator.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 4 November 2020 09: 41 New
        +2
        This suggests that in those days meat was meat, and not a substance pumped with proteins.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 4 November 2020 09: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: sabakina
          This suggests that in those days, meat was meat.

          This says, Vyacheslav, only that God protects the thrifty! The post-war generations drew the correct conclusion from the difficulties during the Second World War.
        2. Turanov
          Turanov 4 November 2020 09: 54 New
          -1
          Quote: sabakina
          This suggests that in those days meat was meat, and not a substance pumped with proteins.

          That's right .. I remember the refrigerators unloaded with imported beef ... Each carcass is wrapped in cheesecloth and the color is bright red and white, even if you paint a picture .. Everyone clicked their tongues with surprise and delight
          Like they know how .. And then they tasted this beauty and the same legs .. Eat a kilogram, the stomach is full and there is no saturation .. But it was too late, the USSR collapsed and it started Ugh damn
          Now they seem to have come to their senses about food security, etc.
          I remember the taste and color of real products .. They have not been there for a long time, if only from private traders and then from proven ones!
          PS From the state reserves sometimes good stew comes across, but you need to know .. And generally you do not want to feed your Army, you will feed someone else's, like the Balts.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 4 November 2020 11: 10 New
            0
            There are people who liked the taste of American chicken legs and the fact that they had a short frying time.
      2. ancient
        ancient 4 November 2020 11: 41 New
        +5
        Quote: Serg65
        93rd year, Sevastopol, sailors were sent to the nearest former state farm to collect apricots, they paid for this collection again with apricots. The midshipman sold this apricot at the market and bought potatoes, cereals, salt and sugar for the whole crew ... and so we lived!

        I believe in this without conspiracy! drinks
        The wives had common notebooks, where they wrote down food that was given out to children ... well, and a little bit to families ... to "keep the pants on."
        We "went up" two times - the first at the end of 92 .. then all the personnel wrote a report on the removal from the allowance and transfer to the "food ration", and this ... who knows what the "flight ration" pleasure is .. understands .. what a blow to the "rear".
        And plus to this ... you cannot be admitted to flight work if you do not eat in the flight canteen.
        Well, the second time ... at the beginning of '95 ...... there, in general, everything was like an adult ..... very high ranks flew in and .. this "question" was still decided ... and at first they tried as always ..scream, threaten and ... were openly sent on a "pedestrian erotic journey" wassat
    3. ancient
      ancient 4 November 2020 11: 31 New
      +5
      Quote: nnm
      To be honest, I do not know of such cases that the "hungry soldiers" would send mushrooms and berries to gather for food.

      And you can ask in what "troops" they served and where? (At least approximately)?
      And they have never "heard" about artificial potatoes and about "soy stew" (for breakfast, lunch and dinner)? And this is in the "potato land" wassat
  4. sabakina
    sabakina 4 November 2020 08: 53 New
    +2
    In addition, the modern Russian army has the added advantage of since it participates in hostilities in Ukraine

  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 November 2020 08: 58 New
    +2
    Russian army with hard work won the war with Georgia.
    Why on earth? In 5 days our men were in Gori and were ready to go to Tbilisi. In Gori, Georgian army warehouses were seized, incl. and with American weapons. There were unjustified losses of aviation in the early days, but this was quickly corrected. The Briton is lying and does not blush.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 4 November 2020 09: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      the Russian army won the war with Georgia with great difficulty.

      For the sake of this passage, the whole article was started. They say that a small but NATO-trained Georgia practically defeated a huge, vicious Russia.
      1. denis obuckov
        denis obuckov 4 November 2020 12: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
        Quote: rotmistr60
        the Russian army won the war with Georgia with great difficulty.

        For the sake of this passage, the whole article was started. They say that a small but NATO-trained Georgia practically defeated a huge, vicious Russia.


        Thanks to the American provocation, with the help of Mocheshvili, after 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX they woke up.
    2. The comment was deleted.
  6. mark2
    mark2 4 November 2020 08: 59 New
    +3
    even trying to write objectively foreign editions are still slipping into outright lies. I will not quote. This is about "Georgia has difficulty." and about delivery in 30 days 100 thousand and about budgets. in short, they do not see what is happening, do not possess information, do not think.)
  7. Maki maki
    Maki maki 4 November 2020 08: 59 New
    18
    About mushroom-berries, of course, amused laughing These savages do not even realize that they are not collected from us out of hunger fool
  8. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 4 November 2020 09: 01 New
    +4
    All morning on the VO website, articles by British (veterans and scientists), when there will be an article, under which all these grief writers write this nonsense.
  9. nnm
    nnm 4 November 2020 09: 03 New
    +1
    The whole point of the general's statement in one sentence:
    The West needs to revise its strategies and military budgets upward

    - give us more money! And more! And don't ask where we spent them.
    1. Charik
      Charik 4 November 2020 11: 52 New
      -1
      they will buy all the mushrooms from grandmothers (as in KF DMB) - so that the Russian soldier would starve
  10. Maks1995
    Maks1995 4 November 2020 09: 05 New
    +1
    The Angles want money, so they scare.
    But, IMHO, cartoons about NO ANALOGUES IN THE WORLD OF MUSHROOMS and soldiers will not.
    All the same, not enough money, they managed to optimize.
  11. nnm
    nnm 4 November 2020 09: 21 New
    0
    The original article (if someone is interested): https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/11/02/russian-military-forces-dazzle-after-a-decade-of-reform
    I also liked that it turns out that our conscripts have a very low morale.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 4 November 2020 09: 33 New
      0
      Quote: nnm
      I also liked that it turns out that our conscripts have a very low morale.

      And why? They sho, did they read Yegorka Zhukov's posture?
      1. nnm
        nnm 4 November 2020 09: 36 New
        0
        And they don't explain it. Low and that's it))))
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 November 2020 09: 50 New
          0
          Gentlemen need to take their word for it?
          Well, well, let them play such games with themselves.
  12. askort154
    askort154 4 November 2020 09: 30 New
    +2
    The assessment is generally objective, with the exception of the war in Georgia.
    It would seem, why would an English general need such "objectivity"?
    He himself answered this:
    "..... therefore, the collective West needs to revise its strategies and military budgets upward in light of new threats from Russia."
  13. sabakina
    sabakina 4 November 2020 09: 37 New
    -1
    It's strange that this Lieutenant General Jim Hockenhall, the head of British military intelligence, did not mention oak bark, birch buds, birch sap and sorrel with nettles ...
  14. orionvitt
    orionvitt 4 November 2020 09: 50 New
    0
    The West needs to revise its strategies and military budgets upward
    The message is clear.
    participates in hostilities in Ukraine and Syria
    Well, in Syria, it's understandable, but in Ukraine, no one has noticed it yet. Neither the vaunted OSCE, nor the powerful Western intelligence services, with their huge satellite constellations. Is that Euro-Ukrainian, because they have big eyes from fear. You must blame someone on your, to put it mildly, idiocy. And who else, if not Russia.
  15. unhappy
    unhappy 4 November 2020 09: 50 New
    +1
    Maybe this "expert" is not aware that mushrooms and berries are not harvested for food (there are not many calories in them)? It's just delicious, a seasonal product - mushroom soup, roast with mushrooms, compote and jam .. Miserable naglo-Saxons in their lives only champignons can eat.
    Did he try a shot of cold vodka with mushrooms? wink
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 4 November 2020 11: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: unhappy
      Wretched naglo-Saxons in their life only champignons can devour.

      So that's just the point! Great Britons don't pick mushrooms! Although they have their sea in their forests! "Only Russians pick mushrooms"
    2. ancient
      ancient 4 November 2020 11: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: unhappy
      Did he try a shot of cold vodka with mushrooms?

      Have you tried .. "devour" your listed delicacy for more than 2 years? And so everywhere ... at a party, at home, in "eateries"? wassat
      More than 25 years have passed since the moment of these events, so in my family neither I nor my spouse .. well, "kids" do not count (for them everything .. "got") .... for mushrooms (in any form) even look .. we can not wink
      1. unhappy
        unhappy 4 November 2020 12: 57 New
        +2
        We had two vegetable gardens, we ate all kinds of potatoes and bought Bush's legs in small wholesalers, our regional bakery was always good - survived the "saints" of the nineties ...
        1. ancient
          ancient 4 November 2020 17: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: unhappy
          we ate all kinds of potatoes

          So potatoes ... this is the second bread ... she can't get enough ... but plastic potatoes can be mushrooms wassat
  16. taiga2018
    taiga2018 4 November 2020 10: 07 New
    +2
    He served in the early 90s, but even then they fed themselves quite well, only in training it was worse, but I won't say that we were picking mushrooms out of hunger, although there were a lot of them next to the unit. The only time I saw only our cook was picking mushrooms, but he's got it for a change.
  17. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 4 November 2020 10: 07 New
    +2
    I started to read. When I came to the line Russia won the war 080808 with difficulty, I threw it. I support the opinion that they smoke there? drinks
  18. Chief Engineer
    Chief Engineer 4 November 2020 10: 10 New
    +3
    "The Russian army, which was in a deplorable state, won the war with Georgia with great difficulty" - I would not say that a victory in 5 days is a victory with great difficulty.
  19. Crowe
    Crowe 4 November 2020 10: 26 New
    +8
    Quote: sabakina
    what could be more beautiful for a hot potato?

    The radish grated with sour cream is cold, that's what it is, with vodka.
    Quote: Serg65
    bought potatoes, cereals, salt and sugar for the whole crew

    On the contrary, from the ship we shared food with the officers and warrant officers. And enough, headquarters, to write "crew".Team.
    The team get up, remove the beds.
    The team prepare to form for flag-raising, uniform ...
    Tank, mooring mooring teams prepare to receive the ship from starboard ...
  20. maiman61
    maiman61 4 November 2020 10: 29 New
    +4
    We are a threat to the Geisapad, just because we were born and breathe! They will not be threatened by Russia only when we are all dead!
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 4 November 2020 10: 38 New
      +9
      They will die, and we will go to paradise. '' That is what Totchye said, it’s impossible to remember at all.
  21. vavilon
    vavilon 4 November 2020 10: 36 New
    +4
    They are Zavidovo because they have real mushrooms like white mushrooms are worth their weight in gold,
    Price in the market About 30 € per kilogram
  22. Runoway
    Runoway 4 November 2020 11: 21 New
    +3
    The Russian army, which was in a deplorable state, won the war with Georgia with great difficulty.

    That's nonsense then. Yes, undoubtedly there were a lot of jambs, from mobile communications to lost Carcasses, but they do not want to remember the captured GPS codes with trophy hamers ??? That's really how much the Yankees screwed up
  23. Charik
    Charik 4 November 2020 11: 41 New
    +1
    give me money, otherwise the Russian soldiers stopped picking mushrooms lol
  24. geologist
    geologist 4 November 2020 12: 01 New
    +2
    "The hungry soldier is the most terrible soldier in the war" - our sergeant uttered when we looked with interest from the smoking room, passing across the road dirty, exhausted soldiers of the valiant 5th Army. And when their officer smacked the smallest and worst soldier with gusto, we, the cadets - future reserve ochwitzers (jackets), could not stand it and rushed in a crowd to defend human rights. Before that, we dragged an aluminum tank from the dining room, some potatoes, picked mushrooms in the forest, replaced stew in the village with moonshine and had a small feast in the ruins of the landfill. A slight malaise from the dysentery raging at the test site did not diminish our appetite, because moonshine cures all army diseases. At night on guard, I got acquainted with privates from the 5th Army and we arranged a small feast with fireworks - we gave tracers towards the border for which we received a small reprimand from my sergeant. The soldier must always be ready to live on self-sufficiency and eat pasture - from mushrooms to snakes, etc.
  25. cniza
    cniza 4 November 2020 12: 16 New
    +4
    In addition, the modern Russian army has the added advantage of being involved in hostilities in Ukraine and Syria.


    They are restless, there is no Russian army in Ukraine, it is very bad that the military does not know this, for the military it is bad ...
  26. denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 4 November 2020 12: 32 New
    +2
    to listen to these would-be "experts", it immediately becomes calm in my soul that the enemy is so dumb. But in fact, the real enemy is extremely smart, and all these statements of experts are just for the sake of talking.
    the Russian army has become of high quality not due to the increase in the budget. Only a complete layman, not versed in the matter, can say this. The budget of Saudi Arabia is much larger, and they snatched off the people in Yemen on modern technology. The main thing is preparation. Of course, the mat part and of course the budget. It doesn't work individually. If the soldier (like the Arabs) is about nothing, then he burns the same as in the Abrams, in the armature, in the T-55.
  27. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 4 November 2020 12: 45 New
    +2
    therefore, the collective West needs to revise its strategies and military budgets upward in light of new threats from Russia.


    That's the whole point of this laudatory article.

    For objectivity, we would compare the number of troops, equipment and the total NATO budget of more than 1 trillion dollars, but then the taxpayers of the collective West will demand cuts in defense budgets)).
  28. faterdom
    faterdom 4 November 2020 16: 02 New
    0
    The Vikings loved to go for mushrooms, who had nightmares Britain for several centuries, and finally conquered in 1066.
    Since then, the Britons are afraid of mushroom lovers, for example, when they learned that Comrade A. Lenin (also a big fan of "quiet hunting") - Russia has become their enemy, although only yesterday it was an ally.
  29. iouris
    iouris 4 November 2020 16: 28 New
    0
    Quote: "NATO underestimated the ability of Russia's military power in a modern war" End of quote.
    Military power is the "ability" to wage war.
    "Modern war" is a war waged by NATO. The war is not going on. Not yet.
  30. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 4 November 2020 16: 55 New
    +3
    The essence of the article is to give more money to NATO.
    In the 90s, during the season, we drank 10 decaliters of birch sap, everyone had it in flasks instead of water, the officers on duty / shooting-range outfits collected it in cans and brought it by car, it was not forbidden. About berries (cranberries, cloudberries, blueberries, lingonberries, strawberries, etc.) and mushrooms in general I am silent, you could walk on them behind the fence on foot, for a variety of the menu it was excellent. Only no one sent us, they themselves walked on the sly, for mushrooms it was possible to rake from the head honey. Although I'm lying, sometimes they went to pick cranberries with the foreman. Also in the territories there were subsidiary farms (pigsties and greenhouses) and we soldiers from them fell on the dinner table. At the end of the service, they also caught fish several times on leave, and of course ate it while fishing. Arhangelsk region. smile
  31. NF68
    NF68 4 November 2020 17: 05 New
    0
    Previously, BI supported piracy and had a lot of it. Today they are ardent fighters for democracy around the world.
  32. win
    win 4 November 2020 17: 54 New
    0
    Happy military intelligence, Colleagues!
  33. Kapkan
    Kapkan 4 November 2020 18: 27 New
    0
    The Russian army, which was in a deplorable state, won the war with Georgia with great difficulty.

    Do they seriously think so? Exactly "with great difficulty" ?? laughing laughing
  34. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 4 November 2020 18: 51 New
    0
    "Before, hungry soldiers were sent to pick mushrooms."

    Previously, Soviet soldiers were sent for the British.
  35. certero
    certero 4 November 2020 20: 57 New
    0
    $ 180 billion a year for defense? Yes, with such a budget, we would have conquered the whole world.
    1. iouris
      iouris 4 November 2020 22: 12 New
      -2
      "We" dissolved the USSR and gave the USA $ 3 ... 5 trillion. And if you also count how many they shot themselves in the foot ... What is the conquest of the world ...
  36. Azimuth
    Azimuth 4 November 2020 23: 58 New
    -2
    How many lucky people are here, I read, I was envious.
    I saw a pigsty at Volgograd residents, a greenhouse, we didn't have any X from the word at all. Of vegetables, there was no trouble only with potatoes and onions, rations were only in cereals and pasta, so not only the soldiers picked berries and mushrooms. They still caught fish, there were more people who wanted to be fishermen, they stupidly put nets, took care of them like the apple of an eye, then they were in short supply. At all, two of them either volunteered as hunters, or named themselves, well, they hunted as a couple like two idiots, poached in short, and even then infrequently, only that the birds beat a lot during the season.
    In short, the feeding of the fighters was still a hassle.
    Nearby, by our standards, a stone's throw, were the missilemen and the zone. The rocket men had a worse apprehension, the Czech kept a couple of shops on the town, the dag had another one, everything was under the record, each had a pile of debt books half a meter. Somehow the father of one soldier came, looked at our life, gave out at the end:
    - It would be better if my two-year term was winding in the neighborhood.
    Even the poor "men" in the zone did not know any problems with food. Although it had its own opa - a tube.
  37. Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 5 November 2020 14: 41 New
    -1
    In the early 90s, before demobilization, there was a shortage of rank and file personnel of 70% (after all the Balts were returned home immediately after the spring draft) and even grandfathers with demobels dragged service for these deserters. I went pomnachkara two months every other day. In the forest, in the air defense motto position, it is full of chanterelles and the rest - I don’t want to take it. So, what is there to be shy about? The young people loved to go on guard with me: in the kitchen they would pick up a cartaphan, an onion. Free change goes for mushrooms. And from the cold post they will come to change - there is a whole frying pan of hot fried potatoes with mushrooms, and pickles. Even the chief of staff came to us for lunch. If everything is in mind, so mushrooms, and berries in addition to fraction-16 are very good! good The Britons do not understand this ... We had our own pigsty, and they gave birch sap with might and main in the spring (there was a birch grove all around). And for help in the work, the locals brought vegetables and apples in bags.