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How the West enslaved the planet

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How the West enslaved the planet
Opium ships off Lindin Island. 1824 year. From a painting by W. Huggins


Marauder civilization


As a result of the great geographical "discoveries" and migration flows directed from Europe to America, the modern West was formed - the ethnopolitical unity of Western Europe and America. The Western world extended its rule not only to the Atlantic, but to the Indian and Pacific oceans. The West had pronounced negative features. In essence, the Atlantic civilization is a world of ghoul vampires, pirates and marauders. Its goal is to conquer, plunder and enslave other worlds. Most often, tribes, nationalities, cultures, countries and civilizations that are invaded by European predators quickly degrade and die. If the Eurasian land civilizations and empires, such as Russia (before that the Horde and Scythia) have always been hierarchical, popular-monarchical systems that preferred creation to destruction, then the marine civilization of the West has always treated its colonies, overseas provinces, as an external object of consumption. There is a metropolis and a colonial periphery. In relation to the conquered lands, the metropolis always plays the role of an anti-system. The "victim" is disorganized, demoralized, destroyed and sucked dry.

Western "discoverers" (lands in Africa, Asia and even in America were already known during the ancient world), "merchants", pirates and slave traders were able to colonize entire continents. At the same time, the civilization of the West was able to achieve this not because of its cultural or economic superiority, as they are now trying to imagine. The ancient cultures and civilizations of the East had a more developed and ancient culture, art, science and no less (and perhaps even more) developed economy. In particular, Europe's trade balance with Asia was not in favor of the Europeans until the middle of the XNUMXth century. But the maritime powers of Western Europe had a superiority in weaponssupplemented by unprincipled political foundations, methods of warfare and trade. The Christians of Europe viewed the natives not as people, but as wild animals that can be robbed, raped and killed with impunity and shamelessly, seizing "living space". Suffice it to say that even at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, representatives of the indigenous peoples of America, Africa or the Pacific Islands could be seen in zoos in Western Europe.

The Indians of America were infected with general diseases, they were drunk with "fire water" (taking advantage of their lack of an enzyme that processes alcohol), pitted against each other (taught to get scalps for money), poisoned with dogs, driven from their lands and killed. Africa was deprived of a significant part of the population, exporting blacks to slave markets. In order to hack the markets of Asian countries, which could not be penetrated in an honest way by low-quality goods of the "developed" West, the Atlantic pirates used low methods: they began with the trade in slaves and drugs. Few people know about this, but it was these two articles that formed the basis of the exchange of goods between "enlightened" Europe with the countries of Asia up to the First World War. True, the slave market, which flourished in the XNUMXth - XNUMXth centuries, was saturated and generally faded into the background in the middle of the XNUMXth century. England, which dominated the drug market, became the "workshop of the world" and flooded the planet with its goods, itself covered up the slave trade. Crushed competitors with her fleet, ostensibly in the name of "humanity". The slave trade remained on the periphery or acquired more "civilized" forms. For example, masses of poor people were imported from Europe to America: Irish, Italians, Chinese, whose position practically did not differ from that of a slave.


Basel Zoo. Somalis are on display. 1930 year

Criminal anti-system


At the same time, the role of the drug market has not only decreased, but, on the contrary, increased. Already at the end of the 1000th century, the British East India campaign switched from the export of opium (from South Asia to the East) to its production. The capitals formed in this way (the drug trade gave income up to XNUMX%) were invested in the industrial revolution. England has become a world leader in industry. The British managed to flood the South Asian market with their goods after the capture of India and the direct destruction of local industry through monstrous taxes. Which led to the death of tens of millions of local residents. The main source of income continued to be the opium grown by the British in India and sold in China.

Interestingly, the West did not abandon the super-profitable drug trade in the 2001th and early 30st centuries. In the middle of the 185th century, local crime syndicates with the support of the global "elite" created the Golden Triangle zone (in the mountainous regions of Thailand, Myanmar and Laos) as a system for the production and trade of opium. It received additional development during the Vietnam War, when the American special services joined in. Another drug market under the control of the US intelligence services was created in South America - the production and sale of cocaine. One of the indirect goals of drugs was to destroy the spiritual, intellectual and physical potential of the "colored" minorities in the United States. True, the white majority also underwent rapid degradation. Another drug market (production of heroin and opiates) is the so-called "Golden Crescent". The territory of the border regions of three countries - Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan. There are huge plantations of opium poppy and large production of drugs. In XNUMX, the Taliban government banned the cultivation of opium in Afghanistan, resulting in the country's production of opium, a record low in XNUMX years (only XNUMX tons), during this period. However, after the occupation of Afghanistan by NATO, production increased sharply again. Afghanistan (under the control of the Anglo-Saxon intelligence services) has become the largest drug producer.

Drug abuse in China and the entire planet


The production of drugs caused the destruction (like the British goods that flooded India) of India's industry, which led to the mass death of local residents. Through the efforts of the British colonial administration and traders, the drug epidemic swept India and Malaysia. Then the British began to enslave China with the help of drugs. The trade of European countries with China became permanent already in the XNUMXth century. Tea, which became popular in Europe and America, silk, porcelain and works of art (they were in fashion) were brought from China. All this was profitable for the merchants. But the trade balance was in China's favor. The goods had to be paid in silver. In addition, the Chinese Empire was a closed country, there were few free trade zones. Foreigners could only trade in Canton. The number of Chinese merchants who could contact foreigners was limited. And the Europeans, especially the British, wanted to capture the huge Chinese market.

Opium became the "golden key" to the Celestial Empire. Already at the beginning of the 20th century, opium addiction in China became a national disaster. The people were rapidly degraded. Vital forces and means flowed from the Celestial Empire to the West. The government tried to fight the infection, but to no avail. Trade went underground, it was covered by corrupt and intoxicated officials (up to 30-1835% of officials were drug addicts), it was beneficial to the compradors. Already in 1840, opium made up the majority of the imported goods into China, many millions of people became drug addicts. The imperial power tried to give a decisive battle to this evil, to suppress the criminal trade. However, England did not allow the Chinese authorities to save the people. The British hacked the Chinese market by force: The First (1842-1856) and Second (1860-1911) Opium Wars. The British got permission from the Chinese government to free trade in opium, the volume of which increased dramatically. The Chinese people are hooked on drugs. This led to a gigantic spread of drug addiction among the Chinese, spiritual, intellectual and physical degradation, as well as to the mass extinction of the population. The defeat in the war with the West caused the most severe turmoil in the Celestial Empire, a civil war that killed tens of millions of people. The Chinese empire was dying out from drugs until the Xinhai Revolution of XNUMX, when the Qing dynasty was collapsed. After that, the Kuomintang and communists fought the drug plague for several decades, suppressing it with the most brutal methods.

Intoxicated China has become a semi-colony of the West. His silver and other riches (including priceless objects of millennial civilization) enriched the West, mainly England. The British Empire was flooded with "big money", which was invested in the development of industry. England has become the "workshop of the world." And her wealth was protected by the most powerful fleet in the world. The Victorian era (1837-1901) came - the time of prosperity of society (its top), the century of the highest economic, political and ideological power of Britain.


Chinese opium smokers. Late XNUMXth century

Dominance of Merchant-Usury Capitalism


The wealth of the European countries and peoples did not go for the future. The common people continued to be severely exploited. Drug addiction began in Europe itself - both the elite strata and ordinary hard workers. The lot of ordinary people in Europe and the United States has become a monstrous poverty unprecedented in the "backward" societies of Asia. Deprived of land, property, dying of poverty and hunger, people were either forced to go into mercenaries serving the interests of the colonialists, like the giant drug cartel - the British East India Company. Or become practically powerless colonists in America or Australia, massacring local aborigines. Either become a part of the underworld, the "bottom" of big cities, risking getting on the rack at any moment or going as a "runaway slave" to the colonies.

By the end of the XIX - beginning of the XX centuries. in the West, a plutocracy (domination of the rich) and a financial oligarchy are emerging, claiming power over the entire planet. The old systems for supporting social ties (a strict hierarchy from the aristocracy to rural communities) have undergone total destruction. There was a process of destruction of the aristocratic folk societies of the Aryan (Indo-European) type and its replacement by mercantile-usurious capitalism. The last strongholds of the old societies were the Germanic and Russian world - the German, Austro-Hungarian and Russian empires. Their mercantile West (financial capital) destroyed during the First World War (World War I - the perfidious war of Great Britain and the United States against Russia and Germany).

Thus, piracy, looting, slave trade and drug trafficking have laid the foundation for the modern material well-being of the West. This dirty money allowed for "initial capital accumulation", the industrial revolution and the transition to capitalism. Moreover, the system built on this foundation was "dirty" in every sense. By the end of the XNUMXth century, the results were clear. Western drug traffickers poisoned the whole world, now a significant part of Europe and America is on drugs. Once "enlightened" Europeans sold people all over the planet. Now Europeans and Americans themselves are involved in the slave market (including the sex industry). Once European pirates and marauders terrified the tribes and peoples of Africa and Asia. Now millions of "colored" migrants (against the background of the extinction of the white race) are gradually turning the Old World into a multicultural "Babylon" or even a "Caliphate". The rotting of the Western world has led to global systemic destruction. Manufacturing has led to a global environmental crisis. The consumer society, satisfying the base and most often meaningless, constantly growing needs of people (degradation and parasitic needs), led to the fall and involution (simplification) of man and mankind. The planet was engulfed in a systemic crisis, which is now developing into a general catastrophe.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 5 November 2020 06: 10
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    What the author wrote about in his article is called capitalism. Capitalism is not divided into Western and folk-monarchical, Scythian or Horde. laughing The Arabs, much earlier than Europe, began to trade in African slaves and drugs, did not make progress, probably because of the people's monarchical system. laughing And so thank you, the morning begins with another obscurantism. laughing
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 5 November 2020 09: 32
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      Samsonov certainly did not make the most interesting conclusion. Namely, if Western society is based on robbery, slave trade and the enslavement of the whole world, then for some reason it is believed that Western historical science is "the most advanced in the world." All studies of "ancient civilizations" are based on the works of English , French and German and Russian "historians".
      For example, the study of the Bactrian civilization that existed even "before the campaigns of Alexander the Great" is based on "ancient" Chinese treatises and translations made by St. Petersburg and English philologists. of this fictional civilization. And how he built this new civilization into the chronology created by the West for the whole world, I already wrote before. Samsonov already had a similar article. So Saryonidi dug up a bunch of gold, rather primitive gold jewelry and could not decide on the time frame where to put all this gold? For this, as he himself writes: "... he needed a coin." And as soon as the chronology of the excavations reached a dead end, this coin was immediately found and this coin was of course the "Roman period". Therefore, all excavations were attributed to the fictional Bactrian civilization , which the British invented. Now all this gold, along with this coin, has already got to the United States and from there it will never, go anywhere.
      Well, Sarionidi himself was for such a "feat", for incorporating finds into traditional history was awarded Western awards.
      The historical science that serves the criminal system and the criminal Western society cannot be based on the principles of consistency, on strict scientific conclusions. The world historical "science" itself can no longer be impartial, it was created not to study the past reality, but for a world performance called " official history ", where all scientific and archaeological finds are adjusted to the existing world historical structure.
      A criminal society can only have a criminal science.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 5 November 2020 11: 09
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        Quote: Bar1
        A criminal society can only have a criminal science.


        Criminal antibiotics!
      2. Hantengri
        Hantengri 5 November 2020 13: 53
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        Quote: Bar1
        A criminal society can only have a criminal science.

        Down with criminal mathematics, criminal physics, criminal chemistry, criminal technical progress! Give me a digging stick and a hand chopper!
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 6 November 2020 12: 45
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          Quote: HanTengri
          Down with criminal mathematics, criminal physics, criminal chemistry, criminal technical progress!
          In vain, guys, you are flirting. Maybe Alexander Samsonov goes too far, but in general he is right. Capitalism has exhausted its positives, since transnational monopolies have already taken shape, and competition is becoming a fiction. Secondly, the leader-master of all world capitalism has already taken root. Yes, in fact they were the Anglo-Saxons, not the Arabs or Mongols. The economic system of capitalism is still the same "MMM", only of a planetary scale, that is, a pyramid with a prosperous top and a poor foundation. Currency speculators in world trading raise stocks or destroy economies. Capitalism thrives as long as this pyramid has expansion, as long as there are new colonies.

          The current capitalism has not died just because the republics of the USSR and the countries of the former socialist bloc have joined this pyramid. There is no new expansion and is not expected. The richest and most successful country at the top of the pyramid, the United States, with all its miracle economists, has the largest public debt, which will be paid by the suckers from the base of the pyramid, that is, the actual colonies. No matter what they chirp about the "multipolar world", the pole of power is now one, and Russia sits under other people's rules, not for the good of the colonies created. It is impossible to live in capitalism and be free from these rules. A good example, our Central Bank, which, according to the law on banks written to us, cannot lend to its own government (there is no money, but you hold on) and is actually controlled by the IMF and the Federal Reserve.

          Our "elite" has long been no longer ours, right according to Brzezinski, as it keeps its junk in other people's banks and foreign currency, being completely dependent on its owners. Therefore, our powers that be can only express concern and chew snot when the same Turks wipe their feet about Russia, or when Bandera's supporters are killing Russians in Donbass. Of course, puffing out your cheeks, to raise the ratings, with some Poseidon, is one thing, quite another to do something real so that you really don't get off with tomatoes.

          Also, there is no national multiplication table, if someone did not know, as well as the scientific and technical merits of capitalism alone. There is rational and useful, which socialism gave much more. That is why the USSR became a superpower in a short historical period, and the current bourgeoisie in Russia for 30 years has not created anything significant.

          The morality of consumers and the cult of money is the degradation of humanity. Capitalism itself, where today you need to sell more than yesterday, and tomorrow more than today, is a planetary virus that is killing the planet and humanity itself. The dictatorship of monopolies and banks will lead to electronic slavery, and the need to reboot the obsolete system and write off debts in the pyramid, to wars and epidemics, on which money will also be made. The current pandemic with COVID-19 may still appear like flowers in the coming "zombie". Unless, of course, capitalism itself dies.
  2. Cartalon
    Cartalon 5 November 2020 06: 10
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    And who is the doctor to the Chinese that they let themselves be conquered by the Manjuram? And they lagged behind Europe in terms of technology?
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 07: 23
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      They did not understand “that if they are so tasty, then there will be a barefoot and hungry one on them,” who cannot be held back by walls, armies, cars, even gunpowder !!!
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 5 November 2020 06: 29
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    expelled from their lands and killed. Africa was deprived of a significant part of the population, exporting blacks to slave markets.

    That's right, BUT: exactly the same thing was done by the natives themselves in relation to each other and the conquerors in relation to each other.

    As well as slaves on nevlichny ships appeared after their sale by their leaders and tribesmen.

    And the Maya and Aztecs, if the opposite story happened and they landed in Europe, they would behave exactly the same as whites in America ...
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 07: 24
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      You can remember Marx and his 300% profit!
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 09: 34
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        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        You can remember Marx and his 300% profit!

        This is T.J. Dunning.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 09: 54
          +5
          Thanks for the edit! hi
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 5 November 2020 09: 53
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      but they did not land) and did nothing with Europe.
      1. Cartalon
        Cartalon 5 November 2020 10: 52
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        They weren't when the world was saved with cannibalism
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 5 November 2020 22: 41
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          Quote: Cartalon
          They weren't when the world was saved through cannibalism

          How could they ask for tryptophan / serotonin ..
          Something did not help .. Not 1 or 80 thousand victims at a time.
          Poor fellows ... the Spaniards have stopped all their sacrifices ..
          By the way, the Chinese were also distinguished by their cannibalism and cruelty and love of intoxication.
          In general, Samsonov has a clear dislike for the British, and he constantly focuses on the Opium Wars. At the same time he forgets
          Tianjin Treaty and then Aigun Treaty. RI, using the complications of China, has strengthened quite well in the Far East.
          But at the same time, the British and the Americans remained bad. The RI's actions to put pressure on China for the purpose of territorial concessions were not mentioned by the author. Russia is always different ... not like "the same"
          Probably such authors as Samsonov compose pearls that Russia has never waged wars of conquest, always on defense, voluntarily, and now owned 1/7 of the USSR on a purely voluntary basis.
          Not by force of arms / idea.
          Well, the concept of the hand of the West and Decaying capitalism is strange to hear from the capitalist author Samsonov.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 6 November 2020 20: 01
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            Quote: Niel-le-Calais
            Probably such authors as Samsonov compose pearls that Russia has never waged wars of conquest

            Russia is a country that has grown by waging defensive wars. Always lol
            1. Niel-le-Calais
              Niel-le-Calais 6 November 2020 22: 17
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              Quote: aybolyt678
              Russia is a country that has grown by waging defensive wars. Always

              War cannot be won by defensive actions (Makarov)
              Territories are the same.
              By force, blood, dynastic marriages, unions ...
              Colt or a kind word and colt. But the Colt always comes first.
              Just a kind word can only express concern.
              The myth of the expansion of territory by defensive wars is stupidity to exalt the justice of one's state and the complete destruction of the memory of ancestors who shed their own and others' blood in the name of this territory in a particular state.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 7 November 2020 04: 26
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                Quote: Niel-le-Calais
                War cannot be won by defensive actions (Makarov)

                Kutuzov surrendered Moscow to the French, but won the war. WWII too, mostly a retreat. In defense, resources are saved ... But an example of the First World War, offensive, is just negative smile
    3. Kwas
      Kwas 8 November 2020 19: 29
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      I do not agree:
      Slavery in Africa before the arrival of Europeans (domestic) had a completely different character, one might say "much more humane."
      It is difficult to imagine the Maya and Aztecs in the role of seafarers, but for example, Chinese seafarers behaved differently in the Indian Ocean. They levied tribute, but did not enslave or destroy.
      I will assume that religion and capitalism played a role, requiring the appropriation of the surplus product.
  4. Boris55
    Boris55 5 November 2020 07: 58
    -13 qualifying.
    Quote: A. Samsonov
    How the West enslaved the planet

    The West is only an instrument in the hands of others, and we must start from much later times. The surviving representatives of the antediluvian civilization build the World in the image and likeness of the one that has perished.



    Everyone has heard about the exodus of the Jews from Egypt and their wandering in the desert for 40 years, which can be covered in a week?


    After their exodus, Egypt was practically ravaged. (crosses on the doors of houses).

    During these years, they were brainwashed, they were preparing an instrument for the conquest of the World.
    As a guide for this they were given the Old Testament (Torah).
    As a guide to restraining slaves in obedience - the New Testament ...

    Their next conquest was Persia (the institution of Jewish wives).
    Then there was Greece and Rome. It was in Rome that they strengthened as a new religion, proclaiming Jesus as God at a general meeting in 325 (with two abstaining) and all dissenting followers of Arianism at the second council were simply cut out ...

    The entire local elite of the West was slaughtered under the banner of Christ. It was replaced by an alien who did not care about the natives ...

    In general, the topic is interesting and very extensive.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 09: 45
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      Quote: Boris55
      and we must start from much later times.

      I'm afraid we won't live up to later times when we start banning VO for stupid conspiracy.
      Quote: Boris55
      In general, the topic is interesting and very extensive.

      undoubtedly, but not in your presentation.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 5 November 2020 09: 55
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        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        when on VO to start banning for stupid conspiracy.

        Have you heard about the "Flood" that happened ~ 7,5 thousand years ago?
        Have you heard of the exodus of the Jews from Egypt?
        Have you not heard that they "wandered" in the desert for 40 years?
        Have you heard of the "Jericho Trumpets"?
        Do you know how Persia was destroyed?
        You haven't read the Bible, but at least heard about it?
        Do you know what was adopted at the first Council of Nicaea?
        And so on ...

        If this is all conspiracy thesis, then summarize your vision of history.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 10: 12
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          Quote: Boris55
          Haven't you heard of the "Flood"?
          Have you heard of the exodus of the Jews from Egypt?
          Have you heard that they "wandered" in the desert for 40 years? ... If this is all conspiracy,

          This is an epic) Many times rewritten, adorned with the conjuncture of scribes and interpreters.
          Quote: Boris55
          then summarize your vision of the story.

          Like any layman, I have a discrete "vision" of history. But, nevertheless, it has nothing to do with your "if there is no water in the tap ...."
          And in general, relying on biblical texts in lengthy speculations on the topic of "objective history" is, you know, rather ridiculous.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 5 November 2020 10: 30
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            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            to rely on biblical texts in lengthy speculations on the topic of "objective history" is, you know, rather ridiculous.

            The Bible is a collection of books (chronicles) of that time, this is the primary source from which all historians of the World "dance".

            Have you heard anything about the 10 Commandments? So they are taken from the Bible, or rather from the Pentateuch of Moses.

            1 commandment: “I am the Lord your God ... May there be no other gods before me” (Exodus 20: 2-3).
            2 commandment: “Do not make yourself an idol or any image of what is in the sky above, and what is on the earth below, and what is in the water below the earth. Do not worship them and do not serve them ”(Exodus 20: 4-6)
            3 commandment: “Do not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not leave without punishment the one who pronounces His name in vain ”(Exodus 20: 7).
            4 commandment: “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Work six days, and do all your work; and the seventh day is the Sabbath to the Lord your God: do not do anything on this day neither you, nor your son, nor your daughter ... For in six days the Lord created heaven and earth, the sea and everything that is in them; and on the seventh day he rested. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it ”(Exodus 20: 8-11) ..
            5 commandment:“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged on the land which the Lord your God gives you” (Exodus 20: 12).
            6 commandment:“Do Not Kill” (Exodus 20: 13).
            7 commandment: “Do not commit adultery” (Exodus 20: 14).
            8 commandment:Do Not Steal (Exodus 20: 15)
            9 commandment:“Do not bear false witness against thy neighbor” (Exodus 20: 16).
            10 commandment: “Do not desire your neighbor's house; do not desire your neighbor's wife ... nothing that your neighbor has ”(Exodus 20:17).


            And more "Instructions" for the conquest of the World:



            “Do not give to your brother's height [1] neither silver, nor bread, nor anything else that is possible to give to growth; give it to a foreigner [2] in growth, so that the Lord your God [3] bless you in everything that is done by your hands on the earth into which you go to possess it [4]. ”
            - Deuteronomy 23:19, 20.

            “And you will rule over many nations, but they will not rule over you”
            - Deuteronomy 28:12.

            “Then the sons of the foreigners [5] will build your walls and their kings will serve you [6]; for in my anger I struck you, but in my grace I will be merciful to you. And your gates will be opened, they will not be closed day or night, so that the wealth of the nations may be brought to you and their kings brought. For the nations and kingdoms that do not want to serve you will perish, and such nations will be completely destroyed. ”
            - Isaiah 60:10 - 12.

            “Do not think that I have come to break the law or the prophets. I came not to break, but to fulfill. Truly I say to you: until heaven and earth pass, not one iota or not one tittle will pass from the law, until all is fulfilled ”
            - Matthew 5:17, 18.

            You can keep hiding your head in the sand, but it still works today.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 5 November 2020 10: 46
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              Quote: Boris55
              The Bible is a collection of books (chronicles) of that time


              The Bible is definitely not a collection of chronicles. This is a collection of legends.

              Quote: Boris55
              from which all historians of the World "dance".


              Is that really all? Even the historians of China? smile
            2. Daniil Konovalenko
              Daniil Konovalenko 5 November 2020 10: 47
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              The Bible is a collection of books (chronicles) of that time, this is the primary source from which all historians of the World "dance".
              Is this the only source? smile
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 5 November 2020 10: 51
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                Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                Is this the only source?

                No. the composition of the books in the Bible periodically changes to suit the political system. By the way, in "our" Bible there are much more books than in the Western version.

                - 982 year. The Bible was translated by Cyril and Methodius;
                - 1499 year. The Gennadiev Bible appeared (the first biblical Bible containing the Old and New Testaments);
                - 1581 year. Bible of the first printer Ivan Fedorov (Ostrog Bible);
                - 1663 year. Moscow edition of the Russian Bible (is a somewhat revised text of the Ostrog Bible);
                - 1751 year. Elizabethan Bible
                - 1876 year. The synodal translation distributed by the Russian Orthodox Church today.
                1. Daniil Konovalenko
                  Daniil Konovalenko 5 November 2020 10: 53
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                  Don't you understand, is the Bible the only historical source?
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 5 November 2020 10: 54
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                    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                    Don't you understand, is the Bible the only historical source?

                    For Western culture, yes. Everything that does not fit into the Biblical concept of the World is destroyed by the West.
                    1. Daniil Konovalenko
                      Daniil Konovalenko 5 November 2020 10: 57
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                      Those. ancient Egyptian papyri, cuneiform tablets and so on .. Is this in a landfill? smile
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 5 November 2020 11: 02
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                        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                        Those. ancient Egyptian papyri, cuneiform tablets and so on .. Is this in a landfill?

                        The first thing to do where the irregular army of the West (terrorists) comes is to destroy museums and monuments.
                      2. Daniil Konovalenko
                        Daniil Konovalenko 5 November 2020 11: 07
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                        The ancient Akkadian kingdom, also destroyed the West?
                      3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 11: 44
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                        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                        The ancient Akkadian kingdom, also destroyed the West?

                      4. Daniil Konovalenko
                        Daniil Konovalenko 5 November 2020 11: 51
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                        laughing laughing Yes, it seems. laughing laughing The saddest thing is that obscurantism is in full swing ... laughing
                      5. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 11: 57
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                        He pulls out from wide trousers:
                2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 11: 42
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                  Quote: Boris55
                  The first thing to do where the irregular army of the West (terrorists) comes is to destroy museums and monuments.

                  That is, the West, whose civilization is still and in the long term is based on biblical texts (in your opinion), engages Islamist scumbags in order to destroy artifacts of non-Christian civilizations with their hands? Did I understand correctly?
            3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 11: 36
              +5
              Quote: Boris55
              For Western culture, yes. Everything that does not fit into the Biblical concept of the World is destroyed by the West.

              What a horror - biblical scholars rule Europe! Tolerance (whatever it means) - their cunning multi-move?
      2. astepanov
        astepanov 9 November 2020 15: 57
        0
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        Is this the only source?

        Do not be mischievous, otherwise the comrade will complain where it is necessary, whoever needs it will come and dump whoever needs it for insulting the tender feelings of believers. The Bible is the same "Capital" of Marx, only more true. Look, Rogozin sprinkles the rockets with holy water - and the rockets don't fall! But holy water is cheaper than any rocket fuel! So faith is a sure thing, it won't let you down!
        Eurasian land civilizations and empires such as Russia (before this Horde and Scythia) have always been hierarchical, folk-monarchical systems
        Here it is, a new word in sociology! People's monarchical systems with a popularly elected sovereign! And although Boriska did not pass to the kingdom, but still ahead - we will elect another, and boyars too, and princes and serfs!
        Author, did you really write all this seriously, or are you kidding me?
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 14: 57
    +5
    ... Have you heard about the "Flood" that happened ~ 7,5 thousand years ago?
    Have you heard of the exodus of the Jews from Egypt?
    Have you not heard that they "wandered" in the desert for 40 years?
    Have you heard of the "Jericho Trumpets"?
    Do you know how Persia was destroyed?
    You haven't read the Bible, but at least heard about it?
    Do you know what was adopted at the first Council of Nicaea?

    We read Pushkin, there is a wonderful character, Cat Bayun! They say a competent professor, walks on a golden chain and sings fairy tales !!! DEAR FANTASTIC BEAST. By the way, with glasses, it means smart - refute! wink
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 5 November 2020 18: 31
      +7
      good I will correct a colleague, not a cat Bayun, but specifically a Cat scientist. In the sense that a scientist, and not trained to tell stories and sing songs. I think that the scientific specialization of the cat is philology and history. smile
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 19: 48
        +4
        Alexey thank you for your valuable comments!
  • andrew42
    andrew42 9 November 2020 12: 50
    0
    Boris55, unfortunately, most of the answers will be with the meanings "No, have not heard". For this is more convenient to live and live, not to lose the "academic" authority, and "mind me", not to be defamed into the "marginalized".
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 5 November 2020 10: 45
    +5
    The West is only an instrument in the wrong hands
    .. And whose hands are these? laughing Name by name laughing
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 5 November 2020 10: 58
      -7
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      .. And whose hands are these? Name by name

      These are the hands of the surviving Atlantists.

      ~ 7,5 thousand years ago there was an all-planetary war that set in motion the tectonic plates of the Earth, as a result of which part of the land went under water, and part of it surfaced. Jacques If Cousteau climbed all the oceans in search of Atlantis ... This event is reflected in the Bible (and not only in it) as the "Flood". When the surviving rulers realized that there was no one and nothing to continue the war, a truce was concluded and a new account of the days of a new civilization began - from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple (peace in the year of the Star Temple is the name of the year). Prior to this, the summer was calculated from the Great Cold (13022).

      Roerich and Hitler were looking for the legacy of the vulgar civilization in Tibet ... The search for them continues to this day, although there is no need to go far. The entire heritage is kept in the Vatican libraries, in the US Congress Library, in the archives of the KGB State Security ... By the way. KOB was born after some scientists were allowed to familiarize themselves with some materials in the state security.

      The purpose of the report from the birth of Christ is to hide the past civilization and prevent people from understanding the goals of the current heirs of "Atlantis", building their world in the image and likeness of the past, as reflected in the last book of the Bible "Apocalypse". The surviving "Atlantists" are leading the world to another disaster.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 5 November 2020 11: 05
        +8
        And that Atlantis was in the Middle East?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 5 November 2020 11: 10
          -4
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          And that Atlantis was in the Middle East?

          The survivors began to revive their civilization from Egypt. They took one of the feral tribes, gave them some knowledge and hid behind their backs. Watch the action in the video (for a better perception of what is happening, the sound can be turned off):

          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 5 November 2020 11: 38
            10
            The video and your comment also smiled. smile
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 13: 51
              +5
              Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
              The video and your comment also smiled.

              living with such cockroaches in my head is definitely not boring! laughing
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 15: 00
                +4
                Dear paragraph is better with a cat, cockroaches are the last century !!! laughing
                I could not resist without resentment - I was acting a little!
      2. evgen1221
        evgen1221 6 November 2020 13: 56
        +1
        The respected KOB was born in the 90s with the abolition of censorship and the purchase of low-grade billboards and programs on TV, that at that time, our population gave birth to all this obscurantism-shamans, gnashing seekers in the archives of the KGB (and what is not in the archives of the district hospital?) And etc. and etc. to the public.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 7 November 2020 07: 41
          0
          Quote: evgen1221
          KOB respected was born in the 90s with the abolition of censorship

          The Concept of Public Safety (KOB) was developed on the instructions of the Central Committee of the CPSU to counter the influence of Western ideology. By the mid-80s, it was represented in the Central Committee, but by that time Gorbaty was the leader of the party and he did not need it. So that the work of the scientists of the Leningrad Institute would not be wasted, it was decided to distribute the developments among all comers .... If you wish, you can find all this data on the internet. hi
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 6 November 2020 20: 05
    +1
    Quote: Boris55
    In general, the topic is interesting and very extensive.

    Despite the general anti-Semitic attitude of the post, I think that it is wrong. This is generally a big money trend. And only Socialism can win here. As an ideology.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 5 November 2020 08: 04
    12
    New type of state: "people's monarchist" laughing Another discovery in science State and law. laughing For 500 years of the existence of various "national-monarchical" states, the Kazan Khanate, the Astrakhan Khanate, the Crimean Khanate from the Russian land were taken out and sold a large number of slaves, figures in hundreds of millions of captives are named. I'm not talking about the Khiva and Bukhara khanates, the countries of the people monarchies. There was another such popular monarchy as the Ottoman Empire, which also did not disdain the slave trade. These states will not be classified as marauders. Our own. Scytho-Tartarians. laughing Previously, the Sabbath of historical obscurantism took place on Bald Mountain, now on the pages of VO. In non-fraternal Ukraine, they talk about the Ukroshumers, in Russia they talk about the Aryans-Tartarii, as if nothing in common. laughing
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 15: 02
      +4
      For the fourth time I read your commentary and I am thrilled with sincere pleasure - stretching through myself (state and legal terms).
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 5 November 2020 15: 06
        +4
        These are not my terms Samsonov .. laughing
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 15: 09
          +3
          I know and understand their absurdity !!! But how clearly identified - thanks !!! good
  • depressant
    depressant 5 November 2020 08: 25
    0
    I looked through the article, it's interesting. There is a subject for conversation. In the evening I will reread it more carefully.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 5 November 2020 18: 21
      +3
      You also have a reason for reflection. The Arabs took black slaves, took them out, traded them, long before the Europeans. But. The American continent now has tens of millions of descendants of black slaves, nicknamed African Americans. But there are no Afro-Syrians, Afro-Iranians, Afro-Turks, Afro-Iraqis. Why do you think? All of these countries had "fine" slave markets. Where are the descendants of the Africans? The answer suggests itself.
      1. depressant
        depressant 5 November 2020 19: 42
        +4
        Color of the skin.
        People from the Middle East on the street can easily pass for Europeans if they wish. Blacks don't. The origin cannot be hidden.
        In addition, the Asians have a serious layer of culture, a common history with Europe. It's somehow embarrassing to call a Syrian an American-Syrian. Or to name the same Turk somehow the same. And even more so - the Egyptian with his world-famous pyramids.
        There is nothing behind the blacks. They are not subjects of an independent, meaningful story. Behind them - only their position in the form of victims of colonization, followed by falling into slavery. They are still wild. In Nigeria, 18 young children are driven out onto the streets by their parents, forever. For the alleged ability to witchcraft. White volunteers save them as much as they can.
        Therefore, it is psychologically difficult for white Americans to recognize blacks as equals.
        At the time of segregation, when the blacks were crowded out, that is, in the 60s and 70s, the blacks, wanting to break out into the people, tried to learn, to achieve something, set themselves positive goals, raised the bar. For example, mathematician Catherine Johnson and her two sisters have spent most of their lives at NASA in leading positions. But as soon as the bar was lowered, the era of tolerance began, the blacks returned to their roots, remembered that they were descendants of slaves from countries that did not have a significant history for the world community. It always happens when you are not behind the greatness of your ancestors, their science, technology, technology, literature and art recognized in the world. Hence - the defiant style of behavior of modern blacks, which generates hostility.
        Therefore, black in America is no longer a Negro, but is still an African American, such an achievement, with a humiliating connotation. The Syrian, the Iranian are just Americans, although they are periodically oppressed by the ignorant. And sometimes they themselves give a reason.
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 5 November 2020 20: 31
          +2
          It depends on what kind of European. An Italian or a Spaniard will not be admitted to a closed club where all WASP members are. And even more so the Arabs.
          1. depressant
            depressant 5 November 2020 21: 14
            +2
            Well, there was a time when Italians were not considered human in the United States. Maybe they still don't. It is one thing when an emigrant is a scientist or a cultural figure, it is another thing when he came from some then impoverished Sicily with all his camp of village aunts and uncles, dressed in black and completely forgot or did not even suspect that Sicily - ancient Roman mosaics with women in bathing suits playing ball. Or, for example, in the city buildings of the same Pompeii, almost no kitchens were found - the Pompeians ate mainly in cafes of that time - there are whole streets of this kind excavated! The way they eat in Paris now. And then - they pinned the whole camp, like crows, with their dead, with vindictiveness and a desire to use the promised country, grinding it into their Italian mafia mince, formatting the environment for their wild customs with a claim that people who formatted their own political customs modeled on the political culture of the great ancient Rome.
            Forgetting one's own roots automatically places a person in the category of despised outcasts. Even if they don't say it directly, they will think.
            1. Esoteric
              Esoteric 5 November 2020 22: 37
              +3
              Once upon a time, in my youth, I thought that the future would be like this:

              But it is different, unfortunately.
            2. Esoteric
              Esoteric 7 November 2020 11: 34
              +1
              It is not that simple. WASPs are still racist. There is plenty of evidence that in the same New England they simply did not want to have any business, they despised those who were not blonde, with blue (blue) eyes.
              Ask how the Spanish-speaking and Italians were called - Dago. And also read Jack London, it seems he was considered a progressive writer in the USSR, but here is "The Little Mistress of the Big House", and there is just an ode at the beginning to blue-eyed and blonde ancestors - Saxons, Angles.
      2. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 5 November 2020 22: 50
        +2
        Quote: Ezoterik
        The Arabs took black slaves, took them out, traded them, long before the Europeans

        true but they generally turned everyone into slaves
        Historians estimate that between 650 and 1900, 10 to 18 million people were enslaved by Arab slave traders from all regions.
        And let Samsonov read the notes of travelers in Africa, its researchers. About the wildest habits of the Arabs. By the way, it was they who resold slaves to Europeans.
        And let Samsonov remember that it was the Arabs who were the first to start the global slave market and the last to finish it. Whereas the Europeans started later and finished earlier.
        I am sure that the works of David Livingstone. "The diaries of the explorer of Africa and Stanley (USA) the author did not take in his hands. And perhaps he did not even read in J. Verne (Captain Friday) references to the savagery of Arabs and local slave traders.
        The trouble with the Europeans when they were accused of the slave trade and slavery is that they widely covered, widely fought against this phenomenon and kept more slaves alive. Arabs are not accused of anything.
  • BAI
    BAI 5 November 2020 09: 33
    +7
    We must start with the fact that the first written records of slavery appeared in Sumer.
    The first mentions of slavery in its modern sense (a slave is a thing without the right to vote, private or public property) are found in Ancient Sumer. If we assume that Sumer as a state (or a conglomerate of city-states) existed since the second half of the 1793th millennium BC. until about 200 BC, plus take into account that Sumer assimilated into himself the Proto-Tigrid civilization in Mesopotamia (which was there before him), it turns out that slavery has existed since about the 300th millennium BC. (+/- XNUMX-XNUMX years).

    At this time, representatives of "Western civilization" in Europe chased mammoths with sticks. So the first slave owners are from Asia (if the protoukry is not killed).
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 10: 22
    11
    To be honest, I did not understand the message of a group of comrades writing under the nickname "Samsonov". These Voshnye kukryniksy painted here an apocalyptic picture of "looting", "piracy" and other civilizational horrors, but then what?
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 5 November 2020 10: 34
      +8
      Further? Revival of "Great Tartary". laughing
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 12: 32
        +7
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        Further? Revival of "Great Tartary". laughing

        ... Read, envy - I'm a tartar,
        And not some Somali! ...

        laughing
        1. Bersaglieri
          Bersaglieri 5 November 2020 16: 29
          +3
          Why Owl and not Simurg? :)
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 17: 17
            +3
            Purely for aesthetic reasons)
            I can do it, no question.
          2. Hantengri
            Hantengri 5 November 2020 19: 58
            +5
            Quote: Bersaglieri
            Why Owl and not Simurg? :)

            In my opinion, there, in general, there should be a woodpecker.
            1. Bersaglieri
              Bersaglieri 6 November 2020 12: 14
              +1
              "Equipped with a titanium beak," yeah. :)
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 15: 05
      +6
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      To be honest, I did not understand the message of a group of comrades writing under the nickname "Samsonov". These Voshnye kukryniksy painted here an apocalyptic picture of "looting", "piracy" and other civilizational horrors, but then what?

      We've read Medinsky's, and now we will Puff !!! laughing naked Mongols, European Tatars and a star temple !!! wassat
      And why is there an owl on the passport - we want the great Tartarrian cat Bayun, riding a goat !!! laughing
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 15: 54
        +6
        ... we want the great tartarry cat Bayun, riding a goat !!!

        I think a cat in the style of Vasya Lozhkin would fit better ... laughing
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 18: 00
          +4
          What documents do you have?
          Mustache and tail !!! (FROM)laughing
  • iouris
    iouris 5 November 2020 10: 23
    +1
    The West has enslaved the East.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 5 November 2020 10: 25
    10
    And while much is true - let's take the wheat from the chaff.
    1) To use or not to use and in what quantity is a personal matter and a question of the will of a particular person. If there is no drugs, a person will be poisoned by a self-made person, if that is not the case, he will be poisoned with alcohol, if not, he will drink various alcohol-containing muck or addict addiction - the essence is simple, you will NEVER stop a person from systematic self-destruction. This is a personal choice. It was profitable for the Chinese to retroactively blame the decay of their empire to such and such a west (and by the way, in Chinese historiography we are among this "west", which did various nasty things to China, did not sell / did not sell there). There was a super-demand in troubled times - the West provided supply.

    2) Blacks were hunted and sold mainly by their own compatriots. It is very interesting to imagine how strong and healthy people suitable for plantations will be caught in their usual habitat by Europeans who come there (usually without coast maps), taking into account all the delights of the local climate and fauna. The success would be simply prohibitive!
    And yes, really, it's nice to read again about the "poor blacks" in the hands of the horrible west - while in our country, in those same years, they absolutely calmly bartered with their own citizens like cattle (and continued to bargain, by the way, for a long time, after the official prohibition of the slave trade by Britain)

    3) Plundering mining and excess profits on anything - it was a normal state of affairs for all major powers)) They sold / bought everything that could be sold / bought. They exterminated species, took away suitable territories from the locals, imposed their own stupid laws on them and taxed them - it was everywhere, no matter what large country we talked about. Those states that flirted with monarchical paternalism in the same way carried out anti-human capital activities through their functionaries, to whom they delegated extended rights in exchange for paying taxes from conventions. It worked according to a simple principle - "if you sleep, you fly, but no, I don't know what you are doing there."

    To summarize: People have always liked to turn the attention to the satisfactors of their vices (public women, shinkars, "old woman money giver", drug dealers, capitalists, etc.), instead of looking at themselves loved ones and tackling the problem at its source. Oh, they are so-so-so, they corrupt ordinary people! "Ordinary people" themselves are happy to corrupt, pirate, poach, drink and poison themselves, ordinary people themselves are glad to get into these "capitalists" of yours - and to re-justify everything that they said and what they "believed" before. This is the world! It doesn't matter what we think - whether we think we are "good" or "bad" - the peoples whom we built and taught will say that we were "occupiers" whose peoples were poisoned with alcohol and drugs will suck in the gums with those who did it for the sake of economic and trade symbiosis, the peoples who caught and sold their compatriots will calmly say that this is all "the white man is to blame." Nothing is new under the sun - and the world has ALWAYS been based on lies, violence, greed and vice. The whole world.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 5 November 2020 10: 33
      +8
      Exterminated species, selected suitable territories from local
      ... They also took away from their own. England. Fencing. When the sheep ate people.
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 5 November 2020 11: 17
      0
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      "Ordinary people" themselves are happy to corrupt, pirate, poach, drink and poison themselves, ordinary people themselves are glad to get into these "capitalists" of yours - and to re-justify everything that they said and what they "believed" before. This is the world

      it’s you, not the world, You don’t need to measure the whole world by yourself. As the saying goes: there is no point in blaming the mirror if the face is crooked. He sums up.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 5 November 2020 11: 28
        +6
        Learn history, child!)
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 5 November 2020 11: 43
          -1
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          Learn history, child!)

          and human history and human psychology says that you are lying with your resume.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 12: 03
            +8
            Quote: Bar1
            and human history and human psychology says that you are lying with your resume.

            not at all. Try to refute. Only your own holiness and integrity do not give as an argument, please.
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 5 November 2020 12: 28
              -2
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              not at all. Try to refute. Only your own holiness and integrity do not give as an argument, please.

              teach history uncle. A good example of the USSR, a state that lagged behind the world for 50 years, according to Stalin: was able to make a leap forward and upward. And this could only happen if people were able to go forward and upward. Until now, we are the first in the atomic industries, space and military, no matter how the current authorities try to destroy everything.
              And if, as this resume writer writes, people were only ready to "corrupt," then there would be no forward movement.
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 12: 40
                +8
                Quote: Bar1
                And if, as this resume writer writes, people were only ready to "corrupt," then there would be no forward movement.

                Hmm ... But how did the West, indulging in all known vices, manage to escape 50 years ahead in technologies that those who were catching up had to buy or simply take away and copy?
                Quote: Bar1
                Until now, we are the first in the nuclear industry, space and military

                exactly the first? Or only in your matrix?
                Quote: Bar1
                teach history uncle.

                Well, well, let's not rudeness .... nephew.
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 5 November 2020 14: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Hmm ... But how did the West, indulging in all known vices, manage to escape 50 years ahead in technologies that those who were catching up had to buy or simply take away and copy?

                  and you still went to attend the historical forum?
                  Let's take a real history, something that is seen from our time.
                  -Lodygin - the interpreter of the incandescent lamp, could not realize himself in the Republic of Ingushetia, went to the west.
                  -Mozhaisky - the inventor of the aircraft, his works were not interesting in Russia.
                  -Yablochkov, the inventor of the arc lamp, was not interesting in Russia.
                  - Blinov - invented a caterpillar track, could not realize himself in RI.
                  -Kotelnikov, the inventor of the parachute, could not realize himself in the Republic of Ingushetia.
                  -Bernardos and Slavyanov, the inventors of welding joints, could not realize themselves in RI.
                  -Popov - the inventor of radio, did not realize himself in RI.
                  Tsarism did not need advanced developments.
                  -Sikorsky, Ipatiev, Zvorykin, during the times of war communism, were declared enemies of the people and their work was not useful in the country in which it was not clear who ruled.
                  In this country, the best people were not in demand, and their work was either simply hushed up or even banned.
                  But already with Stalin such designers appeared as
                  -Korolev
                  -Koshkin, Morozov
                  -Tupolev, Yakovlev, Lavochkin
                  -Kurchatov.

                  about our achievements. Again you know nothing.
                  -In present-day Russia, a new reactor has been created on the IOC-fuel, nowhere else in the world is there such a reactor
                  - In the USSR, rocket engines RD170 and NK33 were created, the achievements of which still cannot be repeated in the West.
                  -In the USSR and after already in Putin's Russia, they still create weapons (s300-400, R36-Voevoda), which they still cannot repeat in the west.
                  Do you know or not?
                  1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 15: 05
                    +9
                    Quote: Bar1
                    and you still went to attend the historical forum?

                    Well, why not stop by and admire the "ironically argued" nonsense of patriots? )) I fell in love with all this crypto-history of inventory and "Russia - the homeland of elephants" back in the 90s. It was not a question of priority over the invention of a light bulb or a drawstring tie. The question was - how did the damnable, eternally rotting and vicious West fled forward, if the concentration of purity and genius we had (and, as I understood, remains) the highest in the world?
                    1. Bar1
                      Bar1 5 November 2020 15: 10
                      -3
                      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      The question was - how did the damnable, eternally rotting and vicious West run forward

                      What a dullness you are. It's very simple that a dynasty of Romanovs came to power, a division of which was not to let the Russian Russian people. Remember the general censorship.
                      Pay attention, now a similar situation in this Russia has created new aircraft and tanks, but they are not allowed into production. The situation is repeated with tsarist times.
                      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 15: 42
                        +8
                        Quote: Bar1
                        Pay attention, now a similar situation in this Russia has created new aircraft and tanks, but they are not allowed into production. The situation is repeated with tsarist times.

                        I understood. Conspiracy.
                      2. Terrible GMO
                        Terrible GMO 7 November 2020 19: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        I understood. Conspiracy.

                        Solar Macharius, dear. And the masons themselves need such
                2. Esoteric
                  Esoteric 5 November 2020 18: 08
                  +4
                  Speak right! Everything in the history of our planet is made by us. All laws of physics, chemistry, mathematics, all great discoveries were made in Great Tartary! And all these Newtons, Maxwells, Boras, Turing, are just a screen, which the masters of the West tried to fence themselves off from Great Tartary, and from its scientists, who made all these discoveries, impudently attributing them to the people listed above. But we know that! It all started with Aristotle, Pythagoras, Archimedes, the great subjects of Tartary, who laid the foundation for the scientific worldview. Only the filthy hirelings of the West got through here, distorted their names, in fact, they were called simple Tartarian nicknames - Ariystotel, Premysl, Akhmyl.
                  But now everything is falling into place, and the forgotten, slandered, all-planetary Empire - Tartary, rises from oblivion. There is hope that it will take its rightful place in the new, historical science. At the same time, by the way, with the new cosmology, because today the same must be sent to the dump. For our planet, Mitgard, was inhabited in ancient times by representatives of the Daarians, Kharians, Rassenov, and Svyatorussians who arrived on the Vimans.
                  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                    Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 19: 54
                    +2
                    What is Vimanach? recourse
                    1. Esoteric
                      Esoteric 5 November 2020 20: 37
                      +1
                      Vimana is an intergalactic vehicle through which the aforementioned races populated Mitgard in the Yarilo system. smile I don’t even know what it’s called in the plural. smile
                    2. Hantengri
                      Hantengri 5 November 2020 22: 04
                      +2
                      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

                      What is Vimanach?

                      If strictly scientifically, then - pepelats with gravity.
                    3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                      Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 23: 31
                      +3
                      Quote: HanTengri
                      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

                      What is Vimanach?

                      If strictly scientifically, then - pepelats with gravity.

                      Good night Igor, so we say "Ku" and everyone is wearing a hat, or rather a plate !!!
                    4. Hantengri
                      Hantengri 6 November 2020 00: 27
                      +5
                      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                      Good night Igor, so we say "Ku" and everyone is wearing a hat, or rather a plate !!!

                      hi No, what are you, Vladislav! How can you! This is as spiritless as the "Communist Manifesto"!
                      Gravicapa, in the vimaana, works exclusively on spiritual energy. Therefore, first we say the matra about: "Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya", or at least about the harya of Krishna and the harya of Rama. Then we enter the number of our planet in tenktura. And only after that we say "Ku" and press the green button. drinks
                    5. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                      Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 November 2020 05: 12
                      +2
                      "Ku - brother !!!" good drinks fellow
          2. Undecim
            Undecim 5 November 2020 21: 41
            +7
            In present-day Russia, a new reactor has been created on the IOC-fuel, nowhere else in the world is there such a reactor
            Bar, so you are not just clueless, you are an ignorant turbopatriot.
            You at least sometimes get out of your alternative turbopatriotic shell.
            In Europe, about 30 reactors operate on MOX fuel.
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 5 November 2020 23: 14
              -8
              and can you prove it countergenesis?
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 5 November 2020 23: 37
                +5
                Why do you get rude all the time, Bar? Where were you brought up?
                Can you prove something? You tell them that "they are FSE fruit"!
                Although you can go to the World Nuclear Association website, there is a whole section on Mixed Oxide (MOX) Fuel.
                You can do it even easier.
                Here is a list of European reactors loaded with MOX fuel.

                You go to the place and check. At the same time, you can visit the Melox plant in France, see the production process.
                Upon arrival, we are waiting for your comments on this issue.
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              3. Undecim
                Undecim 6 November 2020 00: 04
                +4
                Bar, you are even more ignorant than I expected, although it seems to be nowhere further.
                Why do I need your copy-paste from Wikipedia? These are fast reactors.
                MOX fuel can be loaded into any reactors, both thermal and fast. Only in the first case, a small reconstruction is required with the addition of a number of control rods.
                It seems that you did not study at school either.
              4. Bar1
                Bar1 6 November 2020 00: 14
                -7
                and I just meant breeders, not reactors of the old type. Do you understand? You climbed into the Kalashny row with a cloth snout. You screwed up this topic twice already, did not understand the essence of Samsonov's article and about new reactors in which the USSR / Russia is ahead of the whole world.
                You need to take something to get your brain working.
              5. Undecim
                Undecim 6 November 2020 00: 32
                +5
                Bar, you are not only a boor and the deepest ignoramus, you are also a petty liar.
                Here is your phrase literally.
                In present-day Russia, a new reactor has been created on the IOC-fuel, nowhere else in the world is there such a reactor
                Where about breeders? This is the first thing. Secondly, a fast neutron reactor was created not in present-day Russia, but in the USA in 1946, it was called Clementine.
                And they are not being built for one simple reason - at the current prices for nuclear fuel, they are not profitable.
              6. Bar1
                Bar1 6 November 2020 00: 49
                -8
                and you are a little stupid and also a boor.
                A fast neutron reactor is a breeder. And there are such reactors, only in Russia, in the rest of the world there are NO such reactors. What is not clear? request
              7. Undecim
                Undecim 6 November 2020 01: 30
                +7
                Bar, you are an ignoramus, a boor and a liar in one bottle. A rare combination. The level of your ignorance is especially amazing. I thought in our time there are no such primitive specimens anymore.
                Moreover, you resort to insults, being caught in a lie.
                Once again, we look at your phrase verbatim.
                In present-day Russia, a new reactor has been created on the IOC-fuel, nowhere else in the world is there such a reactor
                There is not a word about breeders or fast neutrons, only MOX fuel. That is, until now, you did not even suspect that MOX fuel can be loaded into any reactor.
                As for fast neutron reactors, I repeat for the alternatively gifted, they are not built not because they do not know how, they are simply not profitable today.
                It looks like you like it when your nose is dipped in your poop.
              8. Bar1
                Bar1 6 November 2020 08: 00
                -7
                Well, you are stupid, stupid and limited in understanding. I wrote that in Russia there is such a reactor that others do not have and this is really so, this is BN800, and the fact that mox can be loaded into other reactors you have already jumped on this, if not catch up, then rightly so.
  • Kwas
    Kwas 8 November 2020 20: 09
    0
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Hmm ... But what about the West, indulging in all known vices, was able to escape 50 years ahead in technology,

    So it seems like everyone knows. Looting colonies is known to provide resources. And what about 50 years - who calculated it interestingly?
    As for technology, you probably don't know what the West stole from us in the 1990s? And he still sells it, including to us.
    1. forest1
      forest1 9 November 2020 12: 22
      0
      This is an extensive topic about the so-called Kondratieff cycles. We are 50 years behind the West in these cycles. With the exception of the defense complex. There, the USSR, through titanic efforts and investments, was able to catch up more or less.
      1. Magus
        Magus 22 November 2020 22: 11
        17
        What does it mean 50 years behind? We are not lagging behind. We are lagging behind only in the area of ​​social projects.
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 5 November 2020 11: 52
    +5
    Are the Russians the most holy people in the world?
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 5 November 2020 11: 54
      -6
      Quote: Deniska999
      Are the Russians the most holy people in the world?

      from the Russian people did the rest of the peoples, so you estimate.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 12: 58
        +7
        Quote: Bar1
        from the Russian people did the rest of the peoples, so you estimate.

        laughing
        "Creation of the world. Russian version"
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 15: 56
      +4
      Quote: Deniska999
      Are the Russians the most holy people in the world?

      Well, holier than the Pope, for sure laughing
    3. BAI
      BAI 5 November 2020 17: 52
      +5
      Are the Russians the most holy people in the world?

      There is a certain duality here: Israel is God's chosen one, Russia (Russia) is God-saved.
      The problem is that to everyone whom the Lord loved, he sends very severe tests to test their faith. So it's better to stay away from him, so as not to accidentally fall under love.
  • Kwas
    Kwas 8 November 2020 19: 54
    +1
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    1) To use or not to use and in what quantity is a personal matter and a question of the will of a particular person.

    Firstly, you cannot teach from childhood, therefore you cannot trade openly, although, if only for this reason, trade should be prohibited and punishable. Second, supply creates demand, not vice versa.
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    2) Blacks were hunted and sold mainly by their own compatriots.

    No, as a rule, representatives of other nations. They remember this and still cut each other. And this hunting and trade appeared when the Europeans began to buy them. Before that, there was a completely different scale and customs.
    1. Knell wardenheart
      Knell wardenheart 8 November 2020 20: 25
      -1
      1) Demand forms an offer .. if tomorrow I go out to sell paper shoes and make my whole house the same - I have big doubts that a boom in buying paper shoes will begin in my area.
      In our country, they openly trade in cigarettes and alcohol, as well as alcohol-containing cosmetic and health-improving products. It has always been that way. If everything worked according to the laws that you described during the life of one or two generations (when, in fact, advertisements of both were shown on TV), everything would be over. But no, it didn’t happen because of a natural evolutionary response. People prone to abuse leave less offspring and it is in less favorable conditions - and so on. Thus, evolutionarily, there remains a large proportion of the offspring of those who do not hit all the hard and can keep some kind of golden (more or less) mean. And so IN EVERYTHING with which we come in contact - and with weed and "designer drugs" would be the same.

      If you choose a consistent implementation of this direction (paternalistic) - the state should a) Fully take care of the health of each member of society, and so on. financing b) Abandon the monopoly on the excise tax on smoking / alcohol and completely prohibit the sale of these things - But we observe populism and quarter measures in this direction, when the state monopolized the bad habits of people and does not justify why, for example, strong alcohol is allowed and at the same time much less destructive grass.

      2) In your wording about "other nations" hidden Jesuit cunning - other peoples of the Negroid race. Since ancient times, they have been engaged in the slave trade on their continent and catching their own kind. When the Europeans arrived and began to buy all this, local "business people" simply put the business on a large scale.

      3) As for the issue of prohibitions - you know, in our country they love to prohibit. This is our kind of fetish, on the one hand, our state has long been legally not paternalistic, on the other, we still have some kind of soviet approach to human rights to anything. It turns out to be a funny skew - when the state limits human freedoms to a greater extent than in the West, and at the same time, in return, the state is not able to offer him ANYTHING in return - no more security, no more rights, no better prices or living conditions. It turns out a very dangerous physical imbalance - creating an unnatural craving "from" our system "to the" Western system "- people, finances, projects, etc.
      If our prohibitions (as a whole) were healthy, it would be drawn on the contrary To us. What are we not observing - and consequently ...?
      1. Kwas
        Kwas 8 November 2020 21: 19
        +1
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        1) Demand forms an offer .. if tomorrow I go out to sell paper shoes and make my whole house the same - I have big doubts that a boom in buying paper shoes will begin in my area.

        I have no idea what paper Czech women are, but the very essence of capitalism is the supply of goods to a fundamentally unknown market. Only the business that forms its market survives. Those who do not understand this join the ranks of bankrupt small entrepreneurs. Open the topic for a long time, sorry.
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        2) In your wording about "other nations" hidden Jesuit cunning - other peoples of the Negroid race. Since ancient times, they have been engaged in the slave trade on their continent and catching their own kind. When the Europeans arrived and began to buy all this, local "business people" simply put the business on a large scale.

        Yes, I meant them. But with the arrival of the Europeans, there was not only a "larger scale", but also a qualitative difference.
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        If you choose a consistent implementation of this direction (paternalistic) - the state should a) Fully take care of the health of each member of society, and so on. funding b) Abandon the monopoly on the excise tax on smoking / alcohol and completely prohibit the sale of these things - But we are seeing populism and quarter measures in this area,

        a) It was in the USSR, and it was not bad.
        b) It was impossible to ban it immediately and completely, it was necessary to limit ourselves to half measures.
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        If our prohibitions (as a whole) were healthy, it would be drawn on the contrary To us. What are we not observing - and consequently ...?

        You will be surprised, but under Stalin it was exactly what "pulled the other way around." Germans, Poles, even Americans ... This then came "from us", after Khrushchev began to publicly lick the West's ass, undermining the ideological system.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 5 November 2020 10: 30
    16
    The festival of obscurantism takes on a systematic, daily character.
    If the Eurasian land civilizations and empires, such as Russia (before that the Horde and Scythia) have always been hierarchical, popular-monarchical systems that preferred creation to destruction, then the marine civilization of the West has always treated its colonies, overseas provinces, as an external object of consumption.
    Probably for this reason, the marine civilization of the West traded African slaves, and the people's monarchical Russia used its own citizens as slaves.
    "The real serfdom that survived by its name turned into an institution of slavery with all its terrible consequences. The arbitrariness of the noble landlords, since only they could own the peasants, generated frequent individual indignations in the 1772th century and finally caused the famous Pugachev rebellion in XNUMX, which shook the state The end of the XNUMXth century was marked by a special growth of slavery due to the generosity with which the monarchs distributed the ownership of state "state" peasants to individuals. Even the enlightened Catherine II, who at the beginning of her reign dreamed of easing slavery, at the end - enslaved the free peasants of Little Russia. "
    This is from the lectures on Russian state and administrative law of the doctor of state law, professor, actual state councilor Vyacheslav Mikhailovich Gribovsky.
    At the same time, Russia and the United States of America, longer than other countries of the European civilizational area, retained the institutions of forced labor and personal lack of freedom.
    This is to the author's rant about creation and destruction.
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 5 November 2020 11: 24
      -7
      Quote: Undecim
      Probably for this reason, the marine civilization of the West traded African slaves, and the people's monarchical Russia used its own citizens as slaves.

      once and distorted. This is how comments are written on this forum.
      Actually, the eleventh is not n-m Russia, and the speech in this paragraph was already about Romanov's Russia.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 5 November 2020 12: 05
        15
        Can you write in human language what you wanted to say?
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 5 November 2020 12: 21
          -5
          Quote: Undecim
          Can you write in human language what you wanted to say?

          Does not understand. It's good. The fact is that the slave trade, both in the West and in Russia, began from a certain period, namely, when the world empire, which in the West is called Tartaria, began to give up its positions. When this began to be impossible to say, because history was turned upside down. Apparently when the Romanovs, Hohenzeulerns, Habsburgs, Goldstein-Gottorp came to power, they were all relatives. , however, it is known what.
          For example, the terrible and world famous genocide of the Irish, when the Irish were interbred with blacks in the United States to create a docile slave race.
          But before these aliens came to power and destroyed the old civilization, there was no slave trade and the world developed according to different laws.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 5 November 2020 13: 34
            12
            Bar, conduct the dialogue correctly. As the English teacher John Locke said: "Politeness is the first and most pleasant virtue." After all, even ignorant people can be polite.
            About slavery in Tartarian times.
            If the slave of the freed one hits the body of the freed one, his ear is cut off.
            This is section 205 of the Hammurabi Code (circa 1860 BC). How to be here? Before the era of the Romanovs, Hohenzeulerns, Habsburgs, Goldstein-Gottorp and other Anhalt-Zerbst, roughly 3000 years, and slavery is already there. Or will you tell us that the Hammurabi code was written in the Vatican?
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 5 November 2020 13: 57
              +6
              It is obvious that Hammurabi was already after Tartaria had "surrendered positions." Because Tartary would not have allowed this!
            2. Bar1
              Bar1 5 November 2020 14: 46
              -4
              Quote: Undecim
              still, roughly, 3000 years, and slavery is already there.

              and I believe, and my colleagues, that there were no such 3000 years.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 5 November 2020 14: 52
                12
                You can count as much as you like. The problem is that the calculations need to be proven. Here the historian Woolley excavated the city of Ur. Anyone can see these excavations. And what can you and "your comrades-in-arms" show the world, besides ranting?
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 5 November 2020 14: 57
                  -4
                  funny, it was written on the excavation that this is ur city? Of course not. The main thing is not to dig out and not make a stuffing, but to provide evidence.
                  For example, there is the city of Nizhny Novgorod, but there is no city of Verkhniy Novgorod. How can this be? It cannot be so.
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 5 November 2020 15: 12
                    10
                    It cannot be so.
                    Indeed, there is a toponymic regularity of the emergence of the names of settlements along the rivers with specifiers Nizhniy and Upper, etc.
                    Therefore, it is necessary to look for a reason for the name Nizhny Novgorod in the name of some village located up the river, in relative proximity to ancient Nizhny Novgorod and the one that arose earlier. Perhaps this is Gorodets Radilov, perhaps some other. Historians have not yet answered this question for sure, and they do not hide it.
                    It's just that ignorant altistorians are not interested in such questions, therefore they freeze nonsense like "it was written at the excavations that this is a city of ur?"
                    Everyone, Bar, for today we will say goodbye. Otherwise, the body will not cope with the toxins of ignorance received from communicating with you. All the best.
                    1. Bar1
                      Bar1 5 November 2020 15: 25
                      -2
                      of course one should seek, one should find and not give up.
                      The fact is that the upper Novgorod was found long ago, and the Yaroslav's courtyard, and this is by no means a small fortress on the Volkhov.
                      Precisely in Pompeii during the excavations it was not written that it was Pompeii, and in the city of Saray it was not written that this was the city of Sarai, in the city of Troy it was not written that this was the city of Troy. But this is how your historians told us, who lie at every step I have already said about Sarionidi and his Bactriana, apparently this is how the finds are interpreted everywhere.
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 5 November 2020 16: 23
                        +9
                        Precisely in Pompeii during excavations it was not written that it was Pompeii, and in the city of Sarai it was not written that this was the city of Sarai, in the city of Troy it was not written that this was the city of Troy
                        Exactly, exactly ... In Africa it was not written that this was Africa, in America that this was America, on the penguins it was not written that it was penguins. And even on you it was not written when you were found in the cabbage that you are Bar. Congenial!
                      2. Bar1
                        Bar1 5 November 2020 17: 47
                        -3
                        Quote: Undecim
                        Precisely in Pompeii during excavations it was not written that it was Pompeii, and in the city of Sarai it was not written that this was the city of Sarai, in the city of Troy it was not written that this was the city of Troy
                        Exactly, exactly ... In Africa it was not written that this was Africa, in America that this was America, on the penguins it was not written that it was penguins. And even on you it was not written when you were found in the cabbage that you are Bar. Congenial!

                        exactly, maybe not even 11, but 12 in fact, maybe even 13 God forgive me.
                        I once cited a video where the philosopher Baranets cited considerations about methodology in historical science, that official history suffers from a lack of methods and approaches in work, but this science cannot work otherwise.
                      3. parusnik
                        parusnik 5 November 2020 18: 42
                        +5
                        laughing Yes it was, it was written, only the signs have not yet been unearthed laughing
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  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 5 November 2020 10: 38
    +8
    This time it started on Thursday.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 5 November 2020 12: 11
      10
      Quote: Eye of the Crying
      This time it started on Thursday.

      1. Bar1
        Bar1 5 November 2020 15: 05
        -3
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        This time it started on Thursday.


        I would like to see a steelmaker with a Jewish muzzle.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 5 November 2020 13: 37
      12
      "- Bartender, faster, until it starts, another mug before it starts!
      Bermen:
      - Who will pay?
      Man, in a tired voice:
      - Well, it started ... "(c)
      smile drinks
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 5 November 2020 13: 08
    +6
    Hmm ... and if "without cuts" study "the way to meet the sun" in Siberia and the Far East? There, too - "wood carving" and "divide and conquer" for the sake of "fur trash". A cruel time, cruel manners: whoever is late with a weapon will be bucked and robbed. But, for the sake of justice, it is worth noting that, unlike North America, there was no direct genocide. Russian explorers behaved approximately like the conquistadors in South America: if a toyon was baptized, then he is already his own. If he is not baptized, but does not rowdy, he is also his own.
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 5 November 2020 16: 32
      +4
      By the way, the clash of Cossack women with regular Chinese units in the 17th century in Albazin did not work out in favor of the Chinese: they had, like b, cannons and rifles, and a numerical superiority of almost 20 to 1 - but Albazin prison was never taken by storm. All the same, the training of the "new system" of the Cossack Khabarov and Beyton, the flint locks, the screw squeaky and the little fluffs turned out to be more effective than the "great guns of the Zhurden and Daurian and their old fiery battle"
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 5 November 2020 16: 04
    +5
    The ancient cultures and civilizations of the East had a more developed and ancient culture, art, science and no less (and perhaps even more) developed economy.


    Yes, yes, I wonder what kind of industry this was in Asia in the 17th century, when large-scale production began to appear in Europe, and as a result, the technical possibility of arming massive armies, which, in fact, provided the Europeans with the military capture of half of the planet.

    And why should the Europeans have ever considered the aborigines for people, when these same aborigines behaved like cattle? Intelligence, you know, does not arise by itself, it takes tremendous efforts to gain a foothold in the people, and not to manifest itself among individual individuals who invented the wheel and the stone ax. And only intellect leads to the emergence of humanism. Until then, everyone will cut each other perfectly.

    Why do editors skip such nonsense?
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 5 November 2020 16: 24
      +5
      It's just in terms of "GDP" counting. 500 million Chinese and Indians gave GDP in the 17th century more than 50 million Europeans (but the specific parameters were several times lower).
      1. unknown
        unknown 7 November 2020 06: 42
        -2
        On the territory of modern China, no burials of representatives of the yellow race, older than one hundred and fifty years, have been found. It's about the antiquity of "Chinese civilization".
    2. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 5 November 2020 16: 25
      +3
      "Guns, germs and steel" (c)
    3. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 5 November 2020 23: 01
      +4
      Quote: EvilLion
      Why do editors skip such nonsense?

      apparently in demand is primitive patriotism. At the "We and They" level.
      As we can see who is good and who is radish ..
      We spice it up with legends, fantasies and long-standing horror stories. So the dish is ready. The truth is not particularly for children.
      In general, the tale of the "Cursed West" against "Orthodox Rus" has been around for centuries.
      For some time it changed from Orthodox to communist, but the meaning was the same.
      At the same time, they strove for it to this West.
      We were out of luck with the climate. That's the whole story. And Europe is more fortunate. Nature has chosen a favorite and catching up.
    4. Kwas
      Kwas 8 November 2020 20: 29
      +1
      Quote: EvilLion
      The ancient cultures and civilizations of the East had a more developed and ancient culture, art, science and no less (and perhaps even more) developed economy.
      Yes, yes, I wonder what kind of industry it was in Asia in the 17th century, when large-scale production began to appear in Europe,

      Let's go in order. Let's start with culture. Let's compare the content of the texts of the dominant teachings - for example, the writings of Buddha, Lao Tse, Confucius with, God forgive me, the Bible. The last on this list is squalor from squalor. If you want to make sure - read the first ones.
      Further art. It is difficult to compare here, they are too different, but in any case not lower, comparable.
      Science, rather by the XNUMXth century, was ahead of Europe.
      And as a result, production, but by the end of the XNUMXth century at the expense of machine tools and the ruin of the industry of the colonies.
      What the Europeans had from the beginning was a military advantage.
      Quote: EvilLion
      And why should the Europeans even consider the aborigines for people, when these same aborigines behaved like cattle?

      This is also a sign of culture - to consider the other as a person, namely, and above all Europeans, having arrived in a foreign country, behaved like cattle. And your above statement is quite suitable for the definition of "Nazism". Think about it.
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 5 November 2020 16: 26
    +6
    "We see" Samsonov "- we read" treshachok "" :)
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 6 November 2020 07: 47
    -2
    Leaving aside Tartary, the collective Samsonov is right in many ways. China got rid of opium addiction, and the West became addicted to it.
  • Egor53
    Egor53 6 November 2020 10: 31
    -1
    "The ancient cultures and civilizations of the East had a more developed and ancient culture, art, science and no less (and maybe even more) developed economy."

    What nonsense the author writes. These are what Eastern civilizations had "more advanced science and culture" than European countries.
    All science was created in European countries. None of the fundamental laws of physics, chemistry and biology were discovered outside Europe.
    The white man brought culture and science to the aborigines.
    Cannibalism and human sacrifice in most countries of the world are a thing of the past thanks to the intervention of Europeans.
    That huge population of African countries is a direct result of the use of European medicine.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 6 November 2020 11: 16
      +5
      Quote: Egor53
      What nonsense the author writes. These are what Eastern civilizations had "more advanced science and culture" than European countries.
      All science was created in European countries. None of the fundamental laws of physics, chemistry and biology were discovered outside Europe.

      * looks thoughtfully at the numbers on the keyboard. wink
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 6 November 2020 16: 27
        0
        Numbers are not natural laws.
      2. Kwas
        Kwas 8 November 2020 20: 51
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        * looks thoughtfully at the numbers on the keyboard.

        And trying to program, he thinks thoughtfully about the word "algorithm". wink
        And at school I also thought about the word "algebra". wink
    2. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 6 November 2020 12: 16
      +2
      In the early Middle Ages, the Caliphate was ahead of Europe, mired in feudal squabbles. But then - "gorge kayfovat" - and lost
      1. unknown
        unknown 7 November 2020 06: 38
        -4
        Yes, there was no caliphate.
        All modern history is not science, but part of fiction.
        Section of unscientific fiction.
        All "ancient, medieval and modern" history fits perfectly into the so-called "nineteenth" century.
        Traditional history began to crumble after people with technical education began to study it.
        I immediately had questions about the tool, equipment, technology.
        For example, a set of a ship can still be made with an ax, but with what sheathing?
        A board? Edged? Craft using a saw?
        A saw is a rental. Sheet. Manufacturing, at least.
        To get edged boards in marketable quantities, you need a sawmill.
        This is a cutting tool. And the power drive. Steam. Electric. Petrol.
        And this is already at least the second half of the "nineteenth" century. Not earlier.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 7 November 2020 16: 47
          +4
          Quote: ignoto
          A board? Edged?

          Tesova! Tes was and was widely used. Roofs were covered for them, they made skin for ships. The finds of Viking ships speak of this unequivocally. Check out my articles on Viking ships from museums ...
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 7 November 2020 16: 53
          +4
          Quote: ignoto
          I immediately had questions about the tool, equipment, technology.
          For example, a set of a ship can still be made with an ax, but with what sheathing?

          Fools and ignoramuses have arisen, yes. But VOLUMES of descriptions of the construction of ships in England, orders of wood, boards, carvings have survived. How many masters were paid for what ... There is a Bayesian painting of 1066, which showed the construction of ships. It's just that your technical people do not know English, they have no idea about these documents, and they judge it illiterately. The problem is that non-professionals are allowed to make their stupid judgments!
          1. Misha Smirnov_2
            Misha Smirnov_2 7 November 2020 20: 43
            +1
            With resin! The vessel must be sheathed with resin so that it does not flow.
            )))))
    3. unknown
      unknown 7 November 2020 06: 40
      -4
      About cannibalism.
      Human skeletons have been found in the catacombs near Paris.
      In the amount of about eight million.
      Completely free from soft tissues. That is, boiled.
    4. Kwas
      Kwas 8 November 2020 20: 47
      0
      Yes, you, my friend, are a racist!
      Science and culture are different things. It is quite possible to be an educated boor. Specifically, China had a much higher culture. For example, "Hegel's dialectic" has been, in a much better form, known in China for over 2500 years. Starting with the classic "Book of Changes". As far as I can tell, about 90% of the philosophers gave the world China and India. Europe did not come close, with its religious fanaticism.
      Quote: Egor53
      Cannibalism and human sacrifice in most countries of the world are a thing of the past thanks to the intervention of Europeans.

      Where have you seen cannibalism, besides some parts of Africa and the Pacific Islands? But human sacrifices were among the Aztecs, but also in Europe, in the form of auto-da-fe! It was she who later became cultured.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 6 November 2020 15: 39
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    Yes. Do not know what to write - blame everything on the Anglo-Saxons. They are far away ...)))))
    1. unknown
      unknown 7 November 2020 06: 28
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      From the point of view of geographic astrology, Russia is under the sign of the Horse, and Great Britain is under the sign of the Rat. The Rat is the owner of the Horse. Therefore, the UK will ALWAYS seek to interfere with Russia.
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 9 November 2020 09: 08
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        Yeah. And also China, France, Germany, Argentina and all kinds of Mozambique ...
  • Misha Smirnov_2
    Misha Smirnov_2 7 November 2020 20: 39
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    It's all great ...
    To live on when there is a surplus of goods ... Judging by the movies, blacks in the United States freed themselves thanks to weed.
    The British drove the Indians to Russia and Turkey. The Indians drove the Turks to Germany ..... Then these Turks, who became Germans, began to attack Russia.

    Then the cosmonauts jumped out, put everyone in chicken coops in the cities to populate Mars. The results are either few or hidden.
    Generally speaking, having freed up so much land, they have lost interest in further ...
    Arabs, Chinese, Japanese fought off the "cosmonauts" ... RF, USA - no.

    Someone builds underground houses, like in the movie The Shawshank Redemption ... Someone lives in a car, someone sells weed ...
    In the EU recently there was a whole movement against housing and communal services, heating and electricity are autonomous ..... The cops crushed ...

    Judging by the ruble exchange rate, the Russian Federation was defeated with the help of TV and fake wars.
    Judging by the groceries in the store, not as badly trashed as in the 80s ...

    Tell the real story.
    1. Magus
      Magus 22 November 2020 22: 09
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      Quote: Misha Smirnov_2
      Tell the real story

      Nightmare ... Well, you give with your comment ... Why aren't you telling a real story?
  • Kozak Za Bugra
    Kozak Za Bugra 13 November 2020 09: 12
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    Interesting opinion but the extermination of their own kind is not a distinctive feature of the West.
    The only difference is technology and scale. For example, in the same Africa, before the arrival of the British, he beat such a Chuck and he dealt with other tribes very cruelly and with his own too (as a sign of mourning for his mother, he killed many of his soldiers). And in South America, cruelty is common in the Amazon tribes.
    The only difference is in the level of civilization, genocide is harder to arrange with clubs than with machine guns and napalm.
    After all, it is not uncommon when a civilization or a set of people who have common values ​​feel their chosenness, sometimes this is a harmless phenomenon (for example, the northern peoples consider themselves to be real people for a polaria) and sometimes it turns into horrible phenomena like the fascist theory of Ubermensch and the difference here is in the level of technology a progressive society has more opportunities to destroy the other.