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"UEC-Klimov" began mass production of new engines for the modernized "Night Hunter"

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"UEC-Klimov" began mass production of new engines for the modernized "Night Hunter"

The United Engine Corporation (UEC) has completed bench tests of the VK-2500P engine, and the assembly of the first production models of engines for the modernized Mi-28NM Night Hunters has begun. This was reported by the press service of Rostec.


Bench tests of the VK-2500P engine intended for installation on the upgraded Mi-28NM helicopter are completed (...) the power plant fully complies with the declared characteristics and is ready for serial production

- Said the press service.

According to the executive director of JSC "UEC-Klimov" Alexander Vatagin, the assembly of the first serial samples of the engine has already begun.

The engine implements solutions that allow to control the resource characteristics depending on specific operating conditions. In terms of its technical capabilities and performance, VK-2500P meets the most modern requirements for helicopter engines

- he explained.

VK-2500P is a modification of the VK-2500 engine, based on the experience of using helicopters in Syria. Compared to the base engine, the new version has a modernized automatic control system and a protective system that restores the normal operation of the engine when it stops, when powder and exhaust gases get in and when surge occurs.

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  1. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 3 November 2020 14: 59
    15
    The main thing now is to replace D-18T with import and there will be happiness. Engines for frigates 22350 have also been replaced by imports.
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 3 November 2020 15: 01
    +4
    Is he, according to rumors, a new generation of ceramic blades?
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 3 November 2020 15: 05
      +7
      This is in my opinion you confused with the PD-35.
      As part of the project to create an aircraft engine PD-35, the United Engine Corporation of the State Corporation Rostec has developed a necessary element of PD-35 - a composite blade, said UEC Deputy General Director Valery Geikin, who heads the engine technology direction.

      https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/134491/
    2. Konnick
      Konnick 3 November 2020 15: 07
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      Is he, according to rumors, a new generation of ceramic blades?

      Hardly, heat resistance is needed, but for the supercharger they tried from a composite. Moreover, ceramics are fragile and crumble when hit like a bullet.
      1. sifgame
        sifgame 3 November 2020 16: 02
        -3
        and when a bullet hits a titanium blade, it (the bullet) will disappear and everything will be top type?
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 3 November 2020 16: 35
          +1
          Quote: sifgame
          and when a bullet hits a titanium blade, it (the bullet) will disappear and everything will be top type?

          But it will not crumble, like the rest along the trajectory of the bullet. Well, they use Virobond, a cobalt-chromium alloy in the latest turbines.
      2. DrEng527
        DrEng527 3 November 2020 17: 38
        +1
        Quote: Konnick
        I eat more ceramic is fragile

        if nanoscale, then no ...
  3. Andylw
    Andylw 3 November 2020 15: 05
    -36 qualifying.
    Meanwhile, the purchase of Ukrainian engines for Russian helicopters continues
    48 VK-2500 engines were supplied from MOTS via Hong Kong, another 144 engines under a Chinese contract with Russian Helicopters were supplied directly from Ukraine to China to equip Russian helicopters ...
    "According to a source in the aviation industry, 86 helicopters will be equipped by the Chinese side with TV3-117 engines of the Ukrainian Motor Sich enterprise."
    https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2020/10/22/844293-kitai-zakupil
    https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/5602838.html
    And this is only for the last year! like that ...
    complete failure of import substitution!
    some cheerful reports and fraud!
    you can shrug
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 3 November 2020 15: 17
      30
      Don't write nonsense. Motor Sich VK-2500 has never been produced. This designation is used by UEC. Ukrainian engines are called TV3-117 .... and further letters, depending on the modification. You don't even know that.
      1. Andylw
        Andylw 3 November 2020 15: 57
        -16 qualifying.
        blah blah ..
        there is a link to the reporting of Motor Sich
        Ukraine still makes engines ordered by Russia
        1. Dmitry Makarov
          Dmitry Makarov 3 November 2020 16: 19
          +7
          In general, the Ukrainian engines have not yet been completely abandoned, they are installed on export products. And Russia sells a lot of helicopters abroad, so live for now, but not for long.
          1. Andylw
            Andylw 3 November 2020 16: 28
            -10 qualifying.
            In general, Ukrainian engines have not yet been completely abandoned.

            Whoa! ...
            it's already good that you admit it)))
            but what about those 48 VK-2500 without purchased units that passed through Hong Kong?
            Are you aware that all past years, Motor Sich supplied engines directly to Klimov, and only this year through a gasket ???
            The harsh truth is that Ukrainian engines are installed not only on export helicopters, but also on those supplied to Russian civilian customers ...
            and even, oh horror, on the part of the military ...))))
            1. Dmitry Makarov
              Dmitry Makarov 3 November 2020 16: 37
              +8
              I am sure that we are using Motorsich engines to their full height, and what's wrong with that?
              Until we reached the full volume of production at Klimovo, the technology was not polished.
              Well, in general, if the people who own the Motorsich plant take up their minds and return to cooperation with Russia, there is nothing wrong either.
              But now Russia has learned, and is unlikely to allow dependence on such partners.
              1. Andylw
                Andylw 3 November 2020 16: 43
                -16 qualifying.
                Until we reached the full volume of production at Klimovo, the technology was not polished.

                for 6 years then ???
                but how cheerfully all these 6 years crowed up about the successful import substitution ...
                the reason for this situation is simple - Ukrainian engines are cheaper and the resource is larger, so the customer chooses them!
                And only the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stubbornly substitutes import on its orders))) Well, what, the Russian budget is rubber and will not tolerate that))))))
                1. Vadim_2
                  Vadim_2 3 November 2020 16: 56
                  +8
                  These engines are assembled from parts made in Russia.
                  70 percent. At one time Boguslaev cried.
                  The demand for Russian helicopters has become very high, so Soviet engines are still in use.
                  1. Andylw
                    Andylw 3 November 2020 17: 06
                    -15 qualifying.
                    70 percent

                    at 170))))
                    in fact, these are Ukrainian vehicle kits VK-2500 without purchased units go to Klimov, where they are retrofitted and assembled.
                    Here is such an import substitution in Russian)))
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 3 November 2020 22: 33
                      +8
                      Quote: AndyLW
                      Here is such an import substitution in Russian)))

                      You do not pisimizdite here, dear Ukrainian, fighting for the rights of Ukrainian prostitutes in Poland and Britain, and toilet cleaners in Germany. To what extent are you, jumping as baboons on the Maidan, turned their country, once rich and flourishing, into a country of beggars, prostitutes and thieves?
                      Do you live well there, with your Peremoga, promises of a bright future and Rochelle sweets?
                      Now on the dviguns ... what's Ukrainian, what's ours ...
                      What's on TV3-117 ... This development is not Ukrainian from the word at all ..
                      TV3-117 Engine - the development is still Soviet, the Leningrad Design Bureau named after V. Ya.Klimov, but by order of the Minister of Aviation Industry Peter Dementiev of September 9, 1970, the Zaporozhye Motor-Building Plant was designated as the serial manufacturer of the engine. There, in 1972, and produced a leader of a party of 60 engines TV3-117 "Zero Series" for transport and combat helicopters Mi-24A.

                      The second ...
                      The VK-2500 engine was created to replace the TV3-117 helicopter engine. It is made in three modifications with takeoff power - from 2000 to 2400 hp. from. The power unit implemented digital automatic control system instead of analog, latest sensors hour meter and control, the new materials applied. This provides higher performance characteristics: increased power on the emergency mode, the maintenance mode in a wider range of ambient air temperatures and high yield. VK-2500 provides helicopters fundamentally new possibilities for operating in mountainous areas and areas with a hot climate.

                      So VK-2500 is not a Ukrainian dvigun, but a Russian one. You ignoramus, wrote about the TVZ-117 as if it were the VC-2500. Materiel first learn and then gurgles here with a straight face.
                      Third ... Russia bought TVZ-117 BEFORE the creation of its dvigun. And these 48 pieces remained about the purchases of previous years.
                      1. Andylw
                        Andylw 3 November 2020 22: 36
                        -4
                        developed in Russia, and is made in Ukraine.
                        what?
                        TVZ-117 Russian purchase up to the moment of creation of the dvigun

                        rave.
                        TV3-117 is under the Chinese contract
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 3 November 2020 22: 39
                        +7
                        Quote: AndyLW
                        developed in Russia, and is made in Ukraine.
                        what?

                        And the fact that your thoughts are not there even stood ... Ukrainian plant producing it bluntly. So Che are you sitting scatter my saliva? What even your TVZ-117, Ukrainian now? Drool?
                        Quote: AndyLW
                        TV3-117 is under the Chinese contract

                        Which is not to Motor Sich produces and is the Chinese who are doing Klimov Design Bureau in Russia. So dry up and don't show your illiteracy,
                      3. Andylw
                        Andylw 4 November 2020 00: 29
                        -5
                        Which is not produced on Motor Sich, but which goes to the Chinese, which is made at the Klimov Design Bureau in Russia

                        it's a lie
                        Zaporozhye TV3-117 are coming
                      4. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 4 November 2020 01: 06
                        +2
                        Quote: AndyLW
                        it's a lie
                        Zaporozhye TV3-117 are coming

                        Do, do auto-training ...
                        like - I don’t obos ... sya, I don’t obos ... you see, maybe you don’t have to wipe your ass.
          2. Dmitry Makarov
            Dmitry Makarov 3 November 2020 17: 16
            +6
            Are there any doubts that Russia will replace the aging Ukrainian products?
            But I have no doubts, without the Russian market the Ukrainian plant will disappear.
            1. Andylw
              Andylw 3 November 2020 17: 28
              -12 qualifying.
              is not a fact.
              Ukraine won the tender for the repair of Indian engines, but Klimov lost it - have you heard?
              and in the world the repair market is huge!
              As for new deliveries, then Motor Sich also has excellent prospects, since its products are stupidly cheaper ... any customer who counts money will choose it.
              only the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation as Baba Yaga is against))))
              so the successes of the Russian helicopter industry feed the Ukrainian motor sich
              1. bayard
                bayard 3 November 2020 22: 42
                +8
                Quote: AndyLW
                the successes of the Russian helicopter industry feed the Ukrainian motor sich

                But is it really bad if people in Zaporozhye will be fed up with the success of Russian airborne construction?
                I would not mind if the Cossacks enriched themselves by supplying D-18 engines for Ruslans with a batch of 100, engines for the Be-200 and something else useful. yes
                But it is your authorities who put a spoke in the wheels of Zaporozhsichi prosperity request , do not allow people to eat their fill, to work for their pleasure.
                Who in Russia is stopping you from making money?
                Only you yourself.
                Engines developed by the Design Bureau named after Klimov, a long and fairly high quality, it's been known to all and bathos of place here - it's all Soviet production, technology, school.
                Therefore, you can flirt as much as you like about each other's successes or failures, but if you count how much (in money) is lost from breaking ties and breaking promising programs, then you will feel dizzy - Ukraine would have become rich on these programs long ago ... but instead they will go bankrupt unique production, go under the hammer ... and cannot leave. To be glad that a neighbor's cow died when his house burned down ... it's so amazing ... and traditional.
                1. Andylw
                  Andylw 4 November 2020 00: 28
                  -8
                  do not be hypocritical and hang noodles about the success of import substitution. that's all.
          3. DrEng527
            DrEng527 3 November 2020 17: 40
            +4
            Quote: AndyLW
            Ukrainian engines are cheaper and the resource is larger, so the customer chooses them!

            can you find out the source of wisdom?
            1. DrEng527
              DrEng527 3 November 2020 17: 47
              +1
              read the manufacturer's websites:
              https://klimov.ru/production/helicopter/VK-2500/
              http://www.motorsich.com/rus/products/aircraft/turboshaft/vk-2500-03/
              1. Andylw
                Andylw 3 November 2020 17: 55
                -11 qualifying.
                oh, you burn))))
                here the urapatriots have already crowed that, they say, VK-2500 motor Sich does not produce)))
                but it turns out the other way around:
                http://www.motorsich.com/rus/products/aircraft/turboshaft/vk-2500-03/
                it's just not clear what you wanted to say with these links about the resource and cost))))
                1. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 3 November 2020 17: 57
                  +5
                  Quote: AndyLW
                  oh, you burn))))

                  Do you have trouble understanding the text? bully
                  Quote: AndyLW
                  only it is not clear what you wanted to say

                  Yes, it's corny, unlike you, I'm short and precise - I will repeat the question:
                  Quote: DrEng527
                  Ukrainian engines are cheaper and the resource is larger, so the customer chooses them!
                  can you find out the source of wisdom?
          4. ankir13
            ankir13 4 November 2020 10: 06
            +1
            Comrade, the engines are not Ukrainian, but Soviet, produced at a Soviet plant in Ukraine, and there is nothing wrong with using them, and in spite of some of the Maidan Papuans, connections are still not lost.
      2. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 3 November 2020 18: 23
        +1
        Quote: AndyLW
        but what about those 48 VK-2500 without purchased units that passed through Hong Kong?

        VK-2500 is not produced in Ukraine, they are made by Salut and the Ufa MPO, in Ukraine they are made by TVZ-117.
        Therefore, I don't see any sense in driving our products through Hong Kong!)))
        1. Andylw
          Andylw 3 November 2020 18: 27
          -9
          VK-2500 is not produced in Ukraine

          still how is it produced:
          http://www.motorsich.com/rus/products/aircraft/turboshaft/vk-2500-03/
          Therefore, I don't see any sense in driving our products through Hong Kong!)))

          well, you may not see, but serious uncles from odk see))))
          and drive Ukrainian car kits to Klimov for retrofitting and assembly
          1. ZEMCH
            ZEMCH 3 November 2020 18: 34
            +3
            Quote: AndyLW
            still how is it produced:

            The link is not to production, but to information, when requesting VK-2500, they sell TVZ-117)))
            TVZ-117 Russian helicopters are installed by the buyer's decision, they can also supply another comparable imported one))) For the Ministry of Defense, only their own, and not from the kits from Motor Sich, are used, but the repair of TVZ-117 is done at the expense of spare parts from Motor Sich (for MO rematorization on VK, if it makes sense, otherwise they fly before the resource is depleted)
            1. Andylw
              Andylw 3 November 2020 18: 45
              -6
              Link not to production but to information

              if you addressed as Klimov, then
              when requesting VK-2500
              you will be sold a VK-2500 car kit)))
              Ukrainian engines are cheaper, for customers who consider money they are preferable
              but the MO has budget money, so they put the Klimovsk ones)))
              1. ZEMCH
                ZEMCH 3 November 2020 18: 53
                +5
                Listen, an article about the VK-2500P, which is completely different from those produced earlier, both in materials and in attached units)) continue to produce TVZ-117, the creative thought is over)) in terms of resource before the first bulkhead, TVZ will not catch up with VK. wink
                1. CSKA
                  CSKA 4 November 2020 10: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: ZEMCH
                  Listen, an article about the VK-2500P, which is completely different from those produced earlier, both in materials and in attached units)) continue to produce TVZ-117, the creative thought is over)) in terms of resource before the first bulkhead, TVZ will not catch up with VK.

                  It doesn't matter to him. His task in each article is to write nonsense, to cite as an example some kind of source, such as from a corporation, and this is a fact. And everything for him converges only to the fact that he would spoil everything that is being done here.
  4. VO3A
    VO3A 3 November 2020 17: 26
    +5
    This is a Soviet engine, which is produced by Soviet specialists and their followers who remained on the territory of the Jidobander after the collapse of the USSR ... I do not understand what is the essence of your blathering? And the plant was built in the USSR, it just happened to be on this territory ...
    1. Andylw
      Andylw 3 November 2020 17: 30
      -12 qualifying.
      I am glad that you are sympathetic to the failure of import substitution of Ukrainian engines
      1. VO3A
        VO3A 3 November 2020 17: 31
        +8
        They are as Ukrainian as you are NEGRO !!! Ukraine is a brand created in the USSR ... They banned everything related to the USSR and the communists ... So they banned themselves and Ukraine ...
        1. Andylw
          Andylw 3 November 2020 17: 34
          -9
          well, if Russia buys them from Ukraine, then they are Ukrainian
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 3 November 2020 17: 39
            +6
            Russia buys them from a plant that remained on the territory of Ukraine ... The engine was not developed in Ukraine! .. Can you tell me more that An-124 is a Ukrainian plane?
            1. Andylw
              Andylw 3 November 2020 17: 49
              -10 qualifying.
              an-124 is now not produced at all.
              and the engines made in Ukraine are Ukrainian
              1. VO3A
                VO3A 3 November 2020 17: 56
                +7
                The engines are produced at a Soviet plant, based on the use of Soviet intellectual property and subsequent developments on this basis! What am I wrong? Moreover, the best people of the USSR tried to get to live in cities on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR ... Ukrainians, as a nationality, do not have a decisive contribution to the achievements of the USSR on the territory of Ukraine ... Is that clear to you? Descendants of Soviet people live on the territory of Ukraine ...
                1. Andylw
                  Andylw 3 November 2020 18: 01
                  -10 qualifying.
                  Descendants of Soviet people live on the territory of Ukraine

                  dig deeper, deeper ...
                  descendants of homo sapiens live on the territory of ukraine!
                2. VO3A
                  VO3A 3 November 2020 18: 04
                  +8
                  Do you rate yourself that way already? Only descendants? Already dull? .. Well, now with your posts, complete clarity! And I think, why is he so stoned?
            2. DrEng527
              DrEng527 3 November 2020 18: 00
              +3
              Quote: AndyLW
              and the engines made in Ukraine are Ukrainian

              like the grande frets collected in Ukraine ... bully
  • Andylw
    Andylw 3 November 2020 17: 58
    -11 qualifying.
    Do not write nonsense. Motor Sich VK-2500 has never produced

    you are delusional. Motor Sich has been supplying VK-2500 to Russia so far!
    here for your information:
    http://www.motorsich.com/rus/products/aircraft/turboshaft/vk-2500-03/
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 3 November 2020 18: 05
      +7
      Quote: AndyLW
      you are delusional. Motor Sich has been supplying VK-2500 to Russia so far!
      here for your information:
      http://www.motorsich.com/rus/products/aircraft/turboshaft/vk-2500-03/

      Probably "proizvodmt", as you have already clearly explained, from the components purchased in Russia? You, dear, once have already been here on the site, delivered all of your mega-pearls from the pan ... I remember then the people made fun of you ... Again you will entertain everyone with cool sounds made by the pan beating against the ceiling while actively jumping ?
      1. Andylw
        Andylw 3 November 2020 18: 11
        -7
        Probably "proizvodmt", as you have already lucidly explained, from the components purchased in Russia?

        probably the opposite.
        because deliveries go from Motor Sich to Klimov, and not vice versa))))
        we continue to re-read the cheerful reports on the super-successful import substitution!
        Urya
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 3 November 2020 18: 13
          +3
          Quote: AndyLW
          probably the opposite.
          because deliveries go from Motor Sich to Klimov, and not vice versa))))
          we continue to re-read the cheerful reports on the super-successful import substitution!
          Urya

          In your head, maybe they are, but in real life everything can be very interesting fellow
          But you download, download - when the pan simultaneously hits the ceiling and the head of Svidomo, funny music turns out, and the sight of this very action in terms of hilarity overshadows both "Masks-Show" and "TV Magazine Pun", maybe that's why these wonderful TV shows somehow left in the shadows lately ...
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 4 November 2020 10: 29
          -1
          Quote: AndyLW
          because supplies go from Motor Sich to Klimov, and not vice versa

          What supplies? Where is this proof of yours? At least you can understand with your head that maybe Klimov would have bought these engines, but the dill itself is forbidden to sell them.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 4 November 2020 14: 14
            0
            Quote: CSKA
            Where is this proof of yours?

            "With cocaine!" (Tm) laughing
  • PalSanych
    PalSanych 4 November 2020 12: 19
    0
    This is the same engine
    1. Aleksandr123
      Aleksandr123 4 November 2020 22: 10
      0
      "It's the same engine" Looks like that. On the website of JSC "Klimov" at the link given, they write:
      "When repairing TV3-117 engines, they can be upgraded to the VK-2500 version, which will significantly increase the flight performance of helicopters."
      It turns out - it depends on the components during repair and assembly. The only question is who makes them. I hope "Klimov" takes domestic ones.
  • Kart
    Kart 3 November 2020 15: 18
    -1
    Follow the link for the news headline:
    China buys over $ 2 billion worth of helicopters from Russia

    China. I bought it from Russia.
    Are your horses completely jammed? You are already unable to find a link even remotely plausible?
    1. Andylw
      Andylw 3 November 2020 15: 55
      -3
      and you only read the headlines ?? "" According to a source in the aviation industry, 86 helicopters will be equipped by the Chinese side with TV3-117 engines of the Ukrainian company Motor Sich ""
      and yes, Russia is still using Motor Sich motors!
      1. Kart
        Kart 3 November 2020 16: 04
        -1
        The topic of the news is completely different.
        Namely, just the opposite - about the production of OWN engines in Russia.
        1. Andylw
          Andylw 3 November 2020 17: 48
          -4
          "Rostec acknowledged that there is no alternative to Ukrainian engines for Russian helicopters"

          Source: https://aircargonews.ru/2020/10/26/rosteh-priznal-otsutstvie-alternativy-ukrainskim-dvigateljam-dlja-rossijskih-vertoletov.html
          © AircargoNews.ru
          1. Aleksandr123
            Aleksandr123 4 November 2020 22: 27
            +1
            "Rostec acknowledged that there is no alternative to Ukrainian engines for Russian helicopters"
            Such a title has an article under the link. But this title is on the conscience of the author of the article. In the article itself, there are no such words about "no alternative". Also, this report is for the past year. And in this discussed article:
            "United Engine Corporation (UEC) has completed bench tests of the VK-2500P engine, assembly of the first production samples has begun." This is the end of 2020.
            So it's okay. And if the Ukrainian 2500 or 117 - so just come on. Although, personally, I am for completely domestic ones.
      2. KCA
        KCA 3 November 2020 16: 06
        +3
        Why did you not quote the whole quote? And where
        "possibly already being assembled in China"?
        1. Andylw
          Andylw 3 November 2020 16: 16
          -7
          because "maybe"
          but, most importantly, not Russian engines
          however...
          Perhaps they are assembled from Ukrainian car sets, as they used to assemble at Klimovo
          1. ficus2003
            ficus2003 3 November 2020 20: 51
            0
            there was one such stoned on bmpd, but could not explain in any way why the financial indicators of Motor Sich were falling from 2014 to the present day.
      3. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 3 November 2020 16: 06
        0
        and yes, Russia is still using Motor Sich motors!

        Evidence in the studio.
        1. Andylw
          Andylw 3 November 2020 16: 17
          -8
          links open
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 3 November 2020 15: 19
    +3
    Did you stand with a candle at the signing of the relevant contracts?
    Or participated in the paperwork at one of the borders?
    And the confirmation is what authoritative.
    Whole blogger Diana Mikhailovna.
    And the other greatest sources of the only true information.
    The yellow press is suitable exclusively as a soft paper product in a country toilet.
    1. Andylw
      Andylw 3 November 2020 15: 58
      -8
      there is a link to the reporting of Motor Sich
      yes, Russia still orders engines from Ukraine
    2. Andylw
      Andylw 3 November 2020 17: 50
      -5
      here's another:
      "Rostec acknowledged that there is no alternative to Ukrainian engines for Russian helicopters"

      Source: https://aircargonews.ru/2020/10/26/rosteh-priznal-otsutstvie-alternativy-ukrainskim-dvigateljam-dlja-rossijskih-vertoletov.html
      © AircargoNews.ru
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 3 November 2020 15: 22
    +6
    Quote: AndyLW
    complete failure of import substitution!
    some cheerful reports and fraud!
    you can shrug

    According to your links, China bought 86 helicopters in Russia for 2.1 billion dollars, Hong Kong from Motor Sich 48 VK-2500 engines.
    The engines that the Chinese will install on the purchased helicopters, as stated in the note, "may be made in China."
    What is the failure of import substitution?
    1. Andylw
      Andylw 3 November 2020 16: 01
      -12 qualifying.
      the fact that these engines are not produced in China
      and are directly called Ukrainian
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 3 November 2020 16: 06
        +5
        Quote: AndyLW
        the fact that these engines are not produced in China
        and are directly called Ukrainian

        An engine plant has been built in China. For this "M-Sich" and bought. Perhaps they managed to take something out.
        But I still don't understand what is the failure of Russian import substitution? The materials from the notes on the links you provided do not say that Russia is using Ukrainian engines.
        1. Andylw
          Andylw 3 November 2020 16: 15
          -9
          Engine plant built in China

          already built ???
          what a news!
          why then: "86 helicopters will be equipped by the Chinese side with TV3-117 engines of the Ukrainian company" Motor Sich ""?
          however...
          Perhaps they are assembled from Ukrainian car sets, as they used to assemble at Klimovo
      2. Kart
        Kart 3 November 2020 16: 07
        +2
        Again twenty-five ...
        According to your links, China bought in Russia 86 helicopters for 2.1 billion dollars, Hong Kong from Motor Sich 48 engines VK-2500.

        What is 86 minus 48?
        Although why am I asking? On a Svidomo calculator what numbers do not put the answer one - Russia has lost.
        Well, admit it already that this time I got fucked up with propaganda.
        More thoroughly necessary.
        1. Andylw
          Andylw 3 November 2020 16: 12
          -9
          What is 86 minus 48?

          ahaha)))
          you are not at all in the subject, as I can see))))
          48 engines were shipped not under a Chinese contract, but to Klimov. Previously, every year these deliveries went DIRECTLY to Klimov with a motor sichi (see their reports for previous years)! and only this year they began to drive through gonkog so that they could cheerfully report to the authorities)))) and cheers patriots not to sadden much)))) this is the novelty)))
          China is another story!
          86 helicopters are at least 172 engines!

          This is the volume of orders Russia still gives to Ukraine ...
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 3 November 2020 17: 03
            +3
            Quote: AndyLW
            48 engines were shipped not under a Chinese contract, but to Klimov.


            to Tula with your samovar? see with the logic "creators" of the mortar "Hammer" have never been friends.
            1. Andylw
              Andylw 3 November 2020 17: 10
              -9
              Klimov has always assembled engines from Ukrainian car sets.
              and continues to do so now.
              only buys them now through offshore strips
              1. lopvlad
                lopvlad 4 November 2020 15: 29
                +2
                Quote: AndyLW
                Klimov has always assembled engines from Ukrainian car sets.
                and now continues to do so


                if you go to the UEC Klimov website, you can find out that in addition to the production of VK-2500, the plant also mastered the production of TV3-117 completely from Russian components

                "SERVICE AND SUPPORT

                JSC "Klimov" is approved as the head enterprise in Russia for the repair of TV3-117 engines of all modifications and support of their operation. The enterprise carries out all types of service and repair, as well as re-equipment of engines from one modification to another.

                FACTS

                Installed on 95% of Mil and Kamov OKB helicopters
                Mass: 16 million hours, 25 pieces
                Developed in 1972.
                Power class - 2000-2400 hp
                Fully assembled from RF production parts "
  • KCA
    KCA 3 November 2020 15: 35
    +5
    “At the moment, we do not see the future of Motor Sich. Once it was the flagship among the motor-building enterprises, the plant with the best equipment, which housed the production of the most massive engines. But time is running out. It is merciless. Equipment and technology become obsolete. The limited market and the political events that have taken place clearly have a detrimental effect on Motor Sich. Today it is far from the flagship and is not comparable with the Russian motor industry, ”said Alexander Vatagin, Executive Director of UEC Klimov.
    1. Andylw
      Andylw 3 November 2020 15: 59
      -17 qualifying.
      balabol.
      cases suggest otherwise
      they still cannot do without motor sich
    2. Andylw
      Andylw 3 November 2020 17: 51
      -9
      here is Rostec
      "Rostec acknowledged that there is no alternative to Ukrainian engines for Russian helicopters"

      Source: https://aircargonews.ru/2020/10/26/rosteh-priznal-otsutstvie-alternativy-ukrainskim-dvigateljam-dlja-rossijskih-vertoletov.html
      © AircargoNews.ru
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 3 November 2020 18: 09
        0
        Ugum - from the article you quoted:

        Russian Helicopters has signed contracts with customers in China for the supply of 121 helicopters. The report shows that only a small part of them are equipped with Russian power plants - VK-2500 engines manufactured by the Klimov plant. Most of the power plants, for 86 helicopters, were provided by the Ukrainian company Motor-Sich.

        Source: https://aircargonews.ru/2020/10/26/rosteh-priznal-otsutstvie-alternativy-ukrainskim-dvigateljam-dlja-rossijskih-vertoletov.html
        © AircargoNews.ru

        Ukrainian engines are installed on export turntables, and then, not all polls, but why? And the Svidomo do not need to know this, they jump longer, beat the pan against the ceiling ...
        1. Andylw
          Andylw 3 November 2020 18: 19
          -7
          Ukrainian engines are installed on export turntables, and then, not all polls, but why?

          everything is simple - because some of the engines are assembled at Klimov from Ukrainian vehicle kits - this is just VK-2500, and then assembled are supplied to customers ...
          but I am glad that you are sympathetic to the fact that Russia has failed import substitution and is buying engines from Ukraine ...
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 3 November 2020 18: 37
            +1
            Quote: AndyLW
            everything is simple - because some of the engines are assembled at Klimov from Ukrainian vehicle kits - this is just VK-2500, and then assembled are supplied to customers ...
            but I am glad that you are sympathetic to the fact that Russia has failed import substitution and is buying engines from Ukraine ...

            Oha-oha ... Everything went wrong !! Carrraull!
            Think for yourself (although this is not typical for Svidomo) - this is the scale of the zrada! The Ukrainian company provides engines for the Axressor helicopters! These are those who, according to the reports of the ukropolitiks of different levels, are about to fly to the extreme Ridna to bomb with undemocratic rocket bombs! It's a kapets! Urgently inform the SBU - to close Motor Sich and raze it to the ground! Send employees into exile in China, following the Antonovites! Then and only then will there be a true reversal!
            1. Andylw
              Andylw 3 November 2020 18: 51
              -6
              Oha-oha ... Everything went wrong !! Carrraull!

              breaking the pattern, huh? ;)
              do not take the word of propagandons and bureaucrats.
              check the information and the truth will appear to you ...
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 3 November 2020 19: 11
                +1
                Quote: AndyLW
                breaking the pattern, huh? ;)

                Svidomo? Yes, the Svidomo template should not just burst, but simply explode ... True, with the release of a pleasant-smelling democratic gas, one bread ...
                Quote: AndyLW
                do not take the word of propagandons and bureaucrats.

                When I was born I did not believe))) Unlike Svidomo - they are already taking the 6th consecutive bureaucratic propagandist's word for it, and for the 6th time they get a rake on a pug)))
                Therefore, my advice to you is to run to the SBU !!! And be sure, be sure, I conjure you, the maximum repost! Ridic Enterprise helps Ahressor in the midst of the invasion of Ridna Nenku!
                And about your advice on "checking information" - so why listen to advice from someone who doesn't follow it? wink
                1. Andylw
                  Andylw 3 November 2020 19: 16
                  -6
                  satisfied with the hysteria of a stubborn urapatriot)
                  1. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 3 November 2020 19: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: AndyLW
                    satisfied with the hysteria of a stubborn urapatriot)

                    Satisfied - God is with you! It remains only to find a stubborn jingoistic patriot and make him hysterical!
                    But all this later - urgently run to the SBU! But first of all - no censor! And remember - the maximum repost!
                  2. bobba94
                    bobba94 3 November 2020 23: 17
                    +1
                    I read all the comments .... Interesting dispute. I remembered from Yeralash: - I gave you a ruble? - gave, - did you buy kefir? - no. Where the ruble? - What ruble?
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 3 November 2020 23: 48
                      0
                      Quote: bobba94
                      I read all the comments .... Interesting dispute. I remembered from Yeralash: - I gave you a ruble? - gave, - did you buy kefir? - no. Where the ruble? - What ruble?

                      How else to talk to Svidomo? There are a lot of them grazing here, everyone is trying to look smart and take a "reasoned" position, while they are not even able to read carefully the little piece from the yellow press, which is thrown, thinking that this is downright "source" laughing
          2. lopvlad
            lopvlad 4 November 2020 15: 59
            0
            Quote: AndyLW
            everything is simple - because some of the engines are assembled at Klimov from Ukrainian vehicle kits - this is just VK-2500


            Everything is much simpler. The PRC for its helicopters ordered in Russia buys from Ukraine engines that are put on Chinese helicopters at Rosvertol enterprises.
            Why is this done? It's just that the number of helicopter engines produced in Russia is only enough for installation on new Russian helicopters, and for helicopters going for export is not enough. Therefore, some helicopters with Ukrainian engines, which China itself buys from Ukraine, go to China.
            Still, the new helicopters being produced for the Russian army are equipped with completely Russian engines.
            By the way, similarly to the PRC and India, they bought a gas turbine production unit ("Zorya" - "Mashproekt") in Ukraine for the ships of the 11356R "Burevestnik" project being built in Russia for the Indian Navy.

            So do not mislead others and yourself. Russia no longer needs helicopter engines and their components assembled or manufactured in Ukraine for its army, and over time, the PRC will no longer need them.
      2. Aleksandr123
        Aleksandr123 4 November 2020 22: 39
        +1
        The article does not contain the words "Rostec" about "no alternative". There is a signature at the bottom: "Andrey Bochkarev". But is the Author really a senior executive of Rostec?
  • CSKA
    CSKA 4 November 2020 10: 21
    -3
    Are you even capable of reading what you post? Or, as usual, the main thing is to write nonsense?
    Quote: AndyLW
    According to the source in the aviation industry, 86 helicopters will the Chinese side equipped with TV3-117 engines of the Ukrainian enterprise "Motor Sich

    Keywords. That is, it is far from a fact.
    Quote: AndyLW
    And this is only for the last year! like that ...

    So what? Link as usual to some source?
    Quote: AndyLW
    complete failure of import substitution!

    Import substitution is not one sector and in many industries. Do you know all of them?
    Quote: AndyLW
    some cheerful reports and fraud!

    Only one of your whining, whining and lies. In every article.
  • credo
    credo 3 November 2020 15: 05
    +1
    "... In terms of its technical capabilities and performance, VK-2500P meets the most modern requirements for helicopter engines ..."
    ----------------------------------------
    This is good news, but there is not enough specificity in comparison with the existing engines of foreign companies, including the Zaporozhye one.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 4 November 2020 16: 31
      +1
      Quote: credo
      in comparison with the existing engines of foreign companies, including the Zaporozhye one.


      Motor Sich is not a developer of helicopter engines, but only a manufacturer. TV3-117, VK-2500 were developed alone in the RSFSR (TV3-117) in the OKB im. V.Ya. Klimov and the second (VK-2500) in modern Russia in the OKB im. V.Ya. Klimova
      It would never occur to anyone to compare the performance of the Pentium 4 680 processor released in Malaysia and released in China, because internally there is the same thing - Intel Corporation is the developer of the Pentium 4 680 and only assembly is performed at factories in Malaysia and China.
      It's just that up to a certain point Russia, being a developer of helicopter engines, did not consider it necessary to organize their production at home, on the one hand, because it did not want to deteriorate relations with Ukraine, and on the other hand, because the localization of production in Russia required large financial investments. And why spend money if in Ukraine could always be bought at a reasonable price.
      Ukraine, having refused to supply engines to Russia in 2014, simultaneously lost its main sales market and acquired a fatal competitor for itself in the production of helicopter engines.
      The new model of the VK-2500P engine is essentially a nail in the lid of the Motor Sich coffin.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 3 November 2020 15: 11
    +2
    This is already a positive shift!
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 3 November 2020 15: 24
      +4
      Quote: Alien From
      This is already a positive shift!

      really good news.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 3 November 2020 15: 42
    +2
    So that's okay. Now the question of mass production in the required quantity !!! And the service is proper, Schaub was.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 3 November 2020 15: 46
    +4
    Import substitution is certainly good, but isn't it time to switch to a new engine? After all, even though the VK-2500 is a relatively new engine (only 20 years old), it is still a continuation of the modernization of TV3-117
  • megadeth
    megadeth 3 November 2020 16: 24
    -8
    One drone for 2000 bucks and the end of the Mi-28NM, ... the flight is over .. And minus even until the morning.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 3 November 2020 18: 11
      +1
      Quote: megadeth
      One drone for 2000 bucks

      We will minus until the second coming! Show me a drone that:
      Quote: megadeth
      end of Mi-28NM
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 3 November 2020 16: 41
    +4
    Quote: megadeth
    One drone for 2000 bucks and the end of the Mi-28NM, ... the flight is over .. And minus even until the morning.

    Well, if only the Mi-28NM is on the ground. But with such success, the UAV will destroy on the ground and the F-35 or Tu-22, for example smile

    the Americans beat the Taliban with UAVs in Afghanistan for several years and not only, Israel used them against Hezbollah and other bearded women, but somehow everyone passed by. As soon as the Turks used them against Iranian proxies in Syria, or Azerbaijanis against the Armenian army in Karabakh, everyone began to consider the UAVs omnipotent. In all cases, we are talking about strikes against the "Papuans", even if one of them has a single form and is even called an army.
    The use of shock UAVs against a real army, even not the most modern, will not have the same success, you do not need to equate everything with these Papuans. At one time, aviation and artillery were somehow put under the knife, believing that everything can be solved by missile strikes, but then missiles, and here the crafts of the circle of aircraft modelers.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 3 November 2020 16: 50
    +3
    Quote: AndyLW
    48 VK-2500 engines delivered from Motor Sich via Hong Kong


    in order to supply them somewhere, you need to learn how to make them yourself. Motor Sich never produced VK-2500 and in general the same TV3-117 engine, it was also developed in the RSFSR and only assembly was carried out in Ukraine. And it became TVZ-117 Ukrainian thanks to the collapse of the USSR.
    1. Andylw
      Andylw 3 November 2020 17: 14
      -11 qualifying.
      listen less to propagandists and read more reports of enterprises
      Motors Sich produces VK-2500 vehicle kits for Klimov.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 3 November 2020 18: 15
        +2
        Quote: AndyLW
        listen less to propagandists and read more reports of enterprises
        Motors Sich produces VK-2500 vehicle kits for Klimov.

        Guard!!!! Tse zrada !!!! Ukrainian svidlmy independent and non-salable plant works for the country-ahressor !!!! Urgently sting in the SBU, censor.net and the site "peacemaker"!
      2. Aleksandr123
        Aleksandr123 4 November 2020 22: 45
        +1
        "Motor Sich produces VK-2500 vehicle kits for Klimov."
        And thank God!
  • ficus2003
    ficus2003 3 November 2020 20: 59
    +1
    Quote: AndyLW
    balabol.
    cases suggest otherwise
    they still cannot do without motor sich

    The cases speak so much about the opposite that they tried to sell Motor Sich to the Chinese. But independence let down - the United States was not allowed, oh, how bad it turned out.
    1. Andylw
      Andylw 3 November 2020 21: 14
      -7
      the failure of import substitution in Russia does not cancel
      1. Sergey Besedin_2
        Sergey Besedin_2 3 November 2020 21: 43
        +3
        Here's a stubborn one, we do 300-400 engines a year without Ukrainian components, I see myself, I work at one of the factories that make and send components, etc. In Klimov Peter for the assembly.
        1. Andylw
          Andylw 3 November 2020 21: 59
          -4
          We make 300-400 engines per year without Ukrainian components

          it's fine. albeit more expensive than Ukrainian ones, but it doesn't matter, the Russian budget won't stand it!
          but what to do with the cheerful reports on the complete import substitution of Motor Sich products?
          this is eyewash
          a huge part of the engines comes from Ukraine so far!
          and in the form of car sets and assembled!
          1. Sergey Besedin_2
            Sergey Besedin_2 3 November 2020 22: 06
            +4
            I ... do not know about the supply of Motor Sich, I write what I see, in particular at our plant, every month our plan is increased for the supply of d.s.s. to Klimov, and if this is true as you write then I think it's illegal. Motor Sich is prohibited from selling products to Russia.
            1. Andylw
              Andylw 3 November 2020 22: 49
              -4
              If this is true as you write

              what does it mean if? ))
              you work in the structure of Rostec?
              therefore, you must trust your company's reporting:

              "Rostec acknowledged that there is no alternative to Ukrainian engines for Russian helicopters"

              Source: https://aircargonews.ru/2020/10/26/rosteh-priznal-otsutstvie-alternativy-ukrainskim-dvigateljam-dlja-rossijskih-vertoletov.html
              © AircargoNews.ru
              1. Sergey Besedin_2
                Sergey Besedin_2 3 November 2020 23: 03
                +4
                I work, but not the boss, once again, our factory makes 40% of the VC 2500, the rest do two more Rossteha plant, and sent the details of the assembly made in Klimov Peter ... links I will not open, I know what we are doing is completely VC 2500 without Ukraine, but what is being muddied there by Our Rostekh Administration, with Ukrainian engines, I'm not interested ..
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 3 November 2020 23: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Sergey Besedin_2
                  And what is being muddied up by Our Administration of Rostekh, with Ukrainian engines, is not interesting to me ..

                  And then there is nothing to guess - all these engines are used for export cars ...
          2. Meckajiuhe
            Meckajiuhe 4 November 2020 01: 41
            +2
            Don't worry about the Russian budget, at least it does not exist only on paper.
          3. Aleksandr123
            Aleksandr123 4 November 2020 22: 52
            +1
            "a huge part of the engines comes from Ukraine so far!
            and in the form of car sets and assembled! "
            Perhaps this plant will still come in handy for Russia and it needs a little support so that it does not disappear. When the reasonable still prevails in those parts, people need to live somehow.
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 3 November 2020 21: 10
    +2
    not dependent on Ukraine, it pleases me !!!
  • yfast
    yfast 3 November 2020 23: 11
    +1
    Quote: AndyLW
    Probably "proizvodmt", as you have already lucidly explained, from the components purchased in Russia?

    probably the opposite.
    because deliveries go from Motor Sich to Klimov, and not vice versa))))
    we continue to re-read the cheerful reports on the super-successful import substitution!
    Urya

    We are not happy with the reports of import substitution, then what?
  • ficus2003
    ficus2003 4 November 2020 09: 47
    +1
    Quote: AndyLW
    the failure of import substitution in Russia does not cancel

    The financial failure of Motor Sich and the attempts to sell it to the Chinese are just the best proof that import substitution in Russia is in full swing!