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Ukraine decided to re-equip the army with foreign self-propelled guns

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The Armed Forces of Ukraine are considering purchasing Polish self-propelled howitzers Krab. There is also an idea over time to replace the Soviet-style artillery systems 2A36, 2A65, 2S19, 2S5 with 155-mm self-propelled howitzers mounted on a wheeled chassis.


This was announced by the head of the missile and artillery department of the command of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Major General Andriy Malinovsky, in an interview with the Ukrainian edition of "ArmyInform".

In addition, they are going to replace the self-propelled howitzers "Gvozdika" and "Akatsia" with self-propelled NATO 155 mm caliber self-propelled guns on a tracked chassis. In this case, the Polish Krab is perfect for these purposes.

The purchase of a Czech-made 152-mm self-propelled howitzer "Dana-M2" on a wheel drive is also being considered. True, it is not entirely clear how the acquisition of this equipment fits into the concept of the Ukrainian army's transition to NATO standards, which provide for the use of a 155 mm caliber, not 152.

In addition, the development of the domestic self-propelled guns "Bogdan", which has a caliber of 155 millimeters, continues, but it is still far from its serial production. The head of the Ukrainian artillery said that the development companies (LLC "Ukrainian armored vehicles" and PJSC "Kramatorsk heavy machine tool plant") completed the production of a prototype and carried out its factory tests.
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  1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
    Aleksey Aleksandrovich 3 November 2020 13: 02
    39
    They can afford it))) The rich have their own quirks.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 3 November 2020 13: 07
      22
      Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
      They can afford it))) The rich have their own quirks.

      I mean, if it's okay to adjust to a pullback, then you can become rich. It seems to me that apart from the real need to replace equipment, there is also the possibility of "cutting the rollback" is the motivation
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 3 November 2020 13: 10
        10
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        I mean, if it's okay to adjust to a pullback, then you can become rich. It seems to me that apart from the real need to replace equipment, there is also the possibility of "cutting the rollback" is the motivation

        More precisely, it will be the other way around.
        In addition to the real need for cutting and rolling back, there is also the possibility of replacing equipment.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 3 November 2020 13: 40
          +1
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          In addition to the real need for cutting and rolling back, there is also the possibility of replacing equipment

          Probably it will be more correct - we are looking for a lot of examples in history ...
      2. newcomer
        newcomer 3 November 2020 13: 18
        +3
        I really didn't understand something: 2c19 "Msta S" doesn't suit them ???
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 3 November 2020 13: 57
          +5
          It is not in service with NATO, and therefore does not fit.
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 3 November 2020 13: 59
            +3
            Well this is idiocy! Such a car for scrap!
        2. svp67
          svp67 3 November 2020 17: 50
          +3
          Quote: newbie
          I really didn't understand something: 2c19 "Msta S" doesn't suit them ???

          Because SOVIET and worse than RUSSIAN.
          Now I don't understand why they want to buy "DANA"? They have not been released for a long time, that is, they will buy the old one, but how many of them are left in a combat-ready state? And if you have already decided to change the caliber and switch to the NATO standard, then you can also take its 155-mm modification of the "Zuzana"
    2. newcomer
      newcomer 3 November 2020 13: 08
      +6
      I wonder what they will pay. They already have everything laid down, re-laid down laughing .
      1. Invoce
        Invoce 3 November 2020 13: 19
        12
        Quote: newbie
        I wonder what they will pay. They already have everything laid down, re-laid down laughing .

        Another bathing and washing season. It doesn't matter what you pay! They will take a loan, cut it, and the Ukrainians will pay. The one who remains the last in Ukraine will pay
        1. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 3 November 2020 19: 51
          0
          Quote: Invoce
          Another bathing and washing season. It doesn't matter what you pay! They will take a loan, cut it, and the Ukrainians will pay. The one who remains the last in Ukraine will pay

          good I agree!
      2. Mouse
        Mouse 3 November 2020 13: 21
        +9
        Garbage war ... they will take a loan ... they will help them abroad! bully
      3. atalef
        atalef 3 November 2020 13: 32
        -1
        Quote: newbie
        I wonder what they will pay. They already have everything laid down, re-laid down laughing .

        stop
        Ukraine's gross external debt at the end of 2019 increased by $ 7,029 billion (6,1%) compared to last year to $ 121,739 billion.
        This follows from the data on the website of the National Bank of Ukraine.

        As noted in the NBU, Debt relative to Ukraine's GDP is 78,6%.

        Armenia's national debt at the end of 2020 will grow to 63,9% of GDP - Fitch Ratings forecast

        the same eggs only in profile
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 3 November 2020 13: 38
          +7
          You would like it so much, wouldn't you? Your fellow countrywomen, together with your religious godfathers in Ukrland, who fraternize with the Nazis and brought the flourishing republic below the level of Honduras. And RA can only dream of such natural resources that Ukrland owns. You, too, should be silent in a rag, without milking the Yankees dry up after all.
          1. atalef
            atalef 3 November 2020 13: 46
            -4
            Quote: newbie
            You would like it so much, wouldn't you? Your fellow countrywomen, together with your religious godfathers in Ukrland, who fraternize with the Nazis and brought the flourishing republic below the level of Honduras. And RA can only dream of such natural resources that Ukrland owns. You, too, should be silent in a rag, without milking the Yankees dry up after all.

            I do not know why, but your comments cause a feeling of some kind of unhealthy hysteria.
            It seems that you did not take the sedative on time
            1. newcomer
              newcomer 3 November 2020 13: 57
              +2
              A very interesting conclusion. And what exactly makes you such an impression: the fact that your godfathers from religion are fiddling with the Nazis in Ukrland ?; maybe the fact that your zemstvo in power and business brought Ukraine on a silver platter to the west ?; or maybe the fact that your regular officers taught ukrovermacht to kill people in Donbass and Lugansk ?; maybe you are hysterical, because Pashinyan, no matter how I treat him, showed you the direction of the path along with your humanitarian aid ?; Or does it infuriate you that the RA once sent your emissaries and in this anger you decided to enter the Caucasus from the Azeri side? I certainly understand the unhealthy interest of the Britons in the Caucasus, what do you want there, flawed?
              1. atalef
                atalef 3 November 2020 14: 08
                -8
                Quote: newbie
                And in this anger you decided to enter the Caucasus from the Azeri side?

                This is probably the victory of the RA and NKR on the fronts, which introduces you into such hysteria? lol
          2. atalef
            atalef 3 November 2020 13: 51
            -7
            Quote: newbie
            your religious godfathers in Ukrland, who fraternize with the Nazis and brought the flourishing republic below the level of Honduras

            Honduras - GDP per capita
            2 551
            (USD)

            Ukraine / GDP per capita
            3 095,17 USD

            request
      4. APASUS
        APASUS 3 November 2020 15: 59
        +1
        Quote: newbie
        I wonder what they will pay. They already have everything laid down, re-laid down

        Chernozem
    3. Borik
      Borik 3 November 2020 13: 11
      +3
      Wishlist ukrov is simply transcendental. They want new ships for the fleet, and they want to update their aviation, and their rifle range is not the same. Now they needed self-propelled guns. And where to get all the gold reserves?
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 3 November 2020 13: 18
        +2
        Quote: Borik
        Wishlist ukrov is simply transcendental. They want new ships for the fleet, and they want to update their aviation, and their rifle range is not the same. Now they needed self-propelled guns. And where to get all the gold reserves?

        May they not buy anything. So, they talk nonsense.
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 3 November 2020 14: 13
      0
      They urgently need to sack a projectile, which, depending on the caliber of the gun, would change its caliber in the gun barrel - load 155 mm into the cannon, the projectile will become of this caliber, load 152 mm into the cannon, and the projectile will "lose weight" by three calibers, up to 152mm wassat When I made it up, it remains only to patent the idea repeat wassat
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 3 November 2020 15: 45
        +1
        With separate loading, it is not so difficult - a removable 152mm plastic pallet container is placed on the 3mm projectile.
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 November 2020 13: 08
    10
    I believe that the wear and tear of the barrels and the impossibility of replacing them (such a topic flashed through, and they did not start production) led to the fact that over 6 years of the "war with Russia" the resource of the barrels, even taking into account the "cannibalism" in storage warehouses, is coming to an end. And the stocks of "Soviet-style" ammunition are not endless. So it began to stir ... although the options for "kickbacks and cuts" are not excluded ...
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 3 November 2020 13: 16
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I believe that the wear and tear of the barrels and the impossibility of replacing them (such a topic flashed through, and they did not start production) led to the fact that over 6 years of the "war with Russia" the resource of the barrels, even taking into account the "cannibalism" in storage warehouses, is coming to an end. And the stocks of "Soviet-style" ammunition are not endless.

      Rather it is. In 30 years, warehouses in Eastern Europe should be empty. And so from all the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, illiquid assets were poured into Ukraine.
      Regarding Dana, there is a variant of the 155-mm ShKH M2000 Zuzana, and she can be considered.
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 3 November 2020 16: 54
      +5
      They still have 152 mm shells. Although their consumption was high, plus the explosions of warehouses. They reload them. Plus they buy from the Bulgarians. Well, in general, the news is good. They will not be able to buy many NATO self-propelled guns 155 mm, and the old Soviet stocks of bp for 152 and 122 mm will become useless. Ukraine in general was able to wage war only thanks to the remnants of the huge Soviet stockpiles of weapons and ammunition. If the rearmament to NATO standards and the decommissioning of Soviet weapons really begin, then the bp and fuels and lubricants for them will have to be changed by importing and killing their own military-industrial complex. Supplying from the wheels of a serious war cannot be pulled out. PM fully support the degradation of their MCP. By the way, I think that the war in Karabakh will encourage them to switch to imports even more. It seems to them that Soviet weapons have become unnecessary at the present time. They will probably start praying for drones. And this stupidity can cost them dearly. laughing
  3. Mouse
    Mouse 3 November 2020 13: 11
    +5
    "Leopards" passed them ... here is a pichalka
    Otherwise they would have bought it on the vine ... bully
    1. Dude
      Dude 3 November 2020 13: 29
      +4
      Quote: Mouse
      "Leopards" passed them ... here is a pichalka
      Otherwise they would have bought it on the vine ... bully

      No, they wouldn’t give loans for "Leopards", but to buy for our own - it’s worthless request.
  4. NDR-791
    NDR-791 3 November 2020 13: 15
    +4
    There is also an idea to eventually replace Soviet-style artillery systems ...
    Someday, someday ... The money will be - we will take laughing There ours was left to trade a couple of times more.
  5. HAM
    HAM 3 November 2020 13: 29
    +1
    Eyes envious, hands grabbing .... only now they were ashamed, this time, to say that "please, as a GIFT ...."
  6. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 3 November 2020 13: 31
    0
    why so?))) they yelled that they had mastered both the barrels and the shells) and then you came to those)
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 3 November 2020 13: 31
    +1
    So, by ba Ra ba well, what do they want there! But to finish off their own and so not very lively industry ??? Who do the local robots work for?
  8. 9PA
    9PA 3 November 2020 13: 37
    0
    How much time will it take to pump Ukraine with drones and Gaudits?
  9. Graz
    Graz 3 November 2020 13: 39
    0
    wanting is not harmful, not wanting is harmful
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 3 November 2020 13: 43
    0
    Manilov was also going to buy and build a lot of things, and breed ...
  11. fn34440
    fn34440 3 November 2020 13: 52
    -4
    And I wonder who is the ONLY enemy, the extermination of which the Fashibanderlogs want to inflict with the latest Western self-propelled guns. ?
    Israel, only at the mere mention of Iranian technology from any of its neighbors, immediately demolishes and burns equipment along with servants, instructors, caponiers and fortified areas around.
    And not a single International NPC and the Governments of the countries, Israel, do not reproach for this.
    Because THIS: pre-emptive defensive strikes, in order to prevent the loss of the civilian unarmed population of Israel: children, women, the elderly.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 November 2020 13: 55
    0
    Polish, Czech, but most importantly with the caliber of NATO, just to be closer to the "blue dream". It took only 30 years for the fraternal republic to get what it did.
  13. hydroy
    hydroy 3 November 2020 14: 17
    -2
    Ukrainian special forces are preparing for the forceful seizure of Crimea, after passing the exercises and practicing maneuvers, the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will remain on the northern border of Crimea to await further orders.
    This statement was made by the commander of the "joint forces" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Sergei Naev. Writes "The First Sevastopol".

    He notes that the special forces of Ukraine are planning to deploy to the border with Crimea in order to start an operation to "return Crimea" at the specified time.

    The Lieutenant General believes that hostilities may begin in the fall.
    They are completely crazy!)
  14. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 3 November 2020 14: 22
    +1
    The purchase of a Czech-made 152-mm self-propelled howitzer "Dana-M2" on a wheel drive is also being considered. True, it is not entirely clear how the acquisition of this equipment fits into the concept of the Ukrainian army's transition to NATO standards, which provide for the use of a 155 mm caliber, not 152.Something is not right here! Perhaps the "damaged phone" worked! "Dans" are produced in caliber 155 mm too!
  15. hydroy
    hydroy 3 November 2020 14: 24
    0
    Experts are already saying that these exercises may not be so much a rehearsal for the capture of Crimea as an attempt to take the Donbass according to the "Karabakh scenario." This is more like the truth and will soon go to the DPR and LPR
  16. faiver
    faiver 3 November 2020 14: 58
    0
    disgracers, get through everything ...
  17. bukhach
    bukhach 3 November 2020 15: 20
    -1
    Well that's right, they themselves cannot create anything worthwhile, which means that the brothers-in-arms-Poles will help, they are now united in friendship against Russia.
  18. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 3 November 2020 15: 32
    +1
    Let them go. The more such transitions, the less weapons they will have. And if you add the quality and cost of further maintenance, then the output will be even less. How to talk them out on Ticonderoga and F-18, or Oliver Perry and F-16 can.
  19. fa2998
    fa2998 3 November 2020 15: 47
    0
    Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
    The rich have their own quirks.

    At the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the option will rearm, only who will give the old one. You can buy a couple of batteries, and make a PR. And drink money. Massively changing artillery systems is the lot of the rich. And even ammunition. request hi
  20. Izotovp
    Izotovp 3 November 2020 15: 49
    +3
    I like this manifestation of the Stockholm Syndrome: to love the Turks and the Poles, their former masters. And those who treated them humanly, did not flog and poke their noses, weak. A real manifestation of slave psychology in deeds, not in words.
  21. APASUS
    APASUS 3 November 2020 16: 05
    -1
    Amazing stories, the country wants to once again become dependent, but now from the Poles. Well, we'll see. It is very interesting how the matter ends, they will have time to collect loans or are counting on freebies
  22. yfast
    yfast 3 November 2020 16: 22
    +1
    Will Gazprom pay again?
  23. Growlers
    Growlers 3 November 2020 16: 46
    -1
    Dreams of dreams ..... It is known who, the dummy is wealth ..... It remains to add that dreams will come true if the owners throw up loans ... and then on American junk
  24. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 3 November 2020 22: 47
    0
    Quote: Izotovp
    With separate loading, it is not so difficult - a removable 152mm plastic pallet container is placed on the 3mm projectile.


    3 mm = 2 x 1.5 mm
    The wall of the plastic container is 1.5 mm?
    Why bother with containers at all, it's easier to wrap them in cellophane with some pimples or use wads))) two, one in front you need to prevent the shell from falling out.
  25. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 3 November 2020 22: 56
    +1
    Quote: hydroy
    Experts are already saying that these exercises may not be so much a rehearsal for the capture of Crimea as an attempt to take the Donbass according to the "Karabakh scenario." This is more like the truth and will soon go to the DPR and LPR

    The situation differs from NKR for many reasons.
    For example, in the LDNR
    there is no such ubiquitous && full-time type as Pashinyan, there is a common border with Russia,
    There are people with Russian passports in the territories.
  26. Klingon
    Klingon 3 November 2020 23: 34
    -1
    Quote: newbie
    I wonder what they will pay. They already have everything laid down, re-laid down laughing .

    The Brits give them a loan ... the truth is to buy their own old troughs, but perhaps the Sumerians will save or somehow pay off with lard on barter and buy Danu for the remaining tugriks wassat
  27. Antidote
    Antidote 4 November 2020 06: 18
    0
    Let them take either the Koreans or Archer, the Polish one is very much like lobbying.
  28. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 4 November 2020 18: 21
    0
    Ataman Grisian-Taurian, haven't you managed to hide the entire gold reserve yet?
  29. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 4 November 2020 18: 34
    0
    And the country that never existed once had its "own" self-propelled guns?
    Rollback-cut operation continues
  30. salad
    salad 4 November 2020 21: 16
    0
    The head of the Ukrainian artillery ,, straight HEAD!
  31. bukhach
    bukhach 5 November 2020 01: 27
    0
    Quote: Izotovp
    , did not flog or poke a nose-weak

    Conclusion - it was necessary to flog h.h.h.l.o. like sidor goats laughing , only it would not help, all the same Polish whips are dearer to them than Russian ones.