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"We have different military doctrines": Malaysian press on Russia's proposal to train cadets

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Russia's willingness to train Malaysian cadets in its military institutions is generous, but not in line with army doctrines and fleet.


Although this proposal seems generous, especially given the exploitation of various military equipment from Russia in the armed forces of Malaysia, however, huge differences in military doctrine may impede any attempts to send our cadets there.
- the Malaysia Flying Herald came to this conclusion.

Thus, the Marine Corps of Peter the Great (St. Petersburg Naval Institute) is a prestigious institution. But the Royal Malaysian Navy operates most of the Western-made ships, "so hardly any of the cadets will go there to study."

At the same time, it is noted that the country's Air Force needs pilot training in the Russian Federation. As indicated, of the four cadets who first completed an educational program in Armavir in the 1990s, three subsequently headed the country's air force.

The Malaysian Air Force is armed with 18 Su-30MKM, 8 MiG-29 and 2 MiG-29UB. For many years, there were active negotiations on the sale of the Yak-130 combat training aircraft, during which it was proposed to buy the MiG-and under the trade-in scheme. However, in the end, the deal never materialized.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 3 November 2020 12: 35
    +2
    Palm oil has run out or the demand has increased dramatically. Crisis plus coronavirus ...
    1. Invoce
      Invoce 3 November 2020 12: 47
      11
      Quote: iouris
      Palm oil has run out or the demand has increased dramatically. Crisis plus coronavirus ...

      If the members of the forum knew HOW the Malaysians exploit aircraft, then jokes about palm oil would be the most harmless. Throughout the entire operation, apparently (judging by the condition of the units and components of the aircraft), the work stipulated by the regulations of those was never performed. exploitation. Aircraft, even still flying, are in a terrible technical condition. The technical staff is not trained ... Indian fatalism, with their belief in a series of rebirths, is quietly crying, looking at how indifferently Malaysians treat technology and their lives ...
      The teid-in deal fell through, apparently due to non-profitability. Rebuilding Malaysian MiG-29s is more expensive than assembling new MiG-35s
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 3 November 2020 12: 56
        +7
        Although this proposal seems generous, especially given the exploitation of various military equipment from Russia in the armed forces of Malaysia, however, huge differences in military doctrine may impede any attempts to send our cadets there.
        To be honest, I didn’t get a nichrome from this tirade. requestAre they still loading the guns from the barrel, and measuring distances in steps?
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 4 November 2020 01: 48
          +1
          Due to their "enormous Malaysian combat experience", they cannot understand that in the event of war, the military doctrine is always the same for everyone.
  2. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 3 November 2020 12: 40
    +6
    Duc, Malantsy the same. Wild people. What to take from them? fellow
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 3 November 2020 15: 15
      +8
      You are wrong. I have been to Malaysia several times. Malays live much better, richer than us. An exception is the provinces bordering Thailand. So the savages are us compared to them.

      Many in Russia live by the old notions that poverty and backwardness are all in East Asia. And the poor and the backward are Russia and the Russians. Of course, there are poor countries in Southeast Asia, but not Malaysia. It's time to get used to the new reality that our rulers have brought us into. So that they were empty.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 3 November 2020 15: 52
        +6
        Namesake, you missed the joke.
        I wrote about "malaнtsakh "and you oh malaйTsakh. lol hi
      2. iouris
        iouris 3 November 2020 20: 40
        +1
        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        I have been to Malaysia several times.

        Does their central heating work in winter? Is there enough money for winter clothes and shoes?
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 4 November 2020 00: 25
          +1
          And you, iouris, stop provoking. I have looked over your comments recently and wrote about your provocations to the moderator.
  3. Dude
    Dude 3 November 2020 12: 41
    21
    I, frankly, do not really understand why we go everywhere with an offer of help - we supply ventilators to the Americans, and they dispose of them, now the Malays (!) Clicked on us on the nose ...
    It's one thing when they ask you - help, sell, etc., and quite another thing when it's the other way around.
    1. Invoce
      Invoce 3 November 2020 12: 51
      +9
      There is such a thing as Marketing, and there are "Effective" managers, as a rule, relatives of officials ... They do not care what and to whom to sell (sawing, laundering ...), the main thing is that the money is spinning and not being jailed for it ..
    2. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 3 November 2020 12: 55
      +1
      Quote: Dude
      I don't really understand why we go everywhere with a proposal

      And so that the audience does not forget.
      It is necessary to create informational reasons, and to write something good about us.
      1. Dude
        Dude 3 November 2020 13: 12
        +2
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Quote: Dude
        I don't really understand why we go everywhere with a proposal

        And so that the audience does not forget.
        It is necessary to create informational reasons, and to write something good about us.

        If this is irony, then a plus for you)))
        As for me, the answer of the Malaysian side to "good" is, well, in no way No.
      2. Pereira
        Pereira 3 November 2020 13: 26
        10
        They also wanted that with mechanical ventilation. They expected a hint of gratitude from the Americans. And the master again found an excuse to whip the slaves in the face.
        No matter how they demanded money for disposal.
        1. Dude
          Dude 3 November 2020 13: 47
          +4
          No matter how they demanded money for disposal.
          It's Easy!
          First: money for recycling can be tried;
          secondly: to introduce further sanctions against Russia for the supply of equipment not certified by the YUESEI;
          third: to open cases against Trump administration officials for cooperation with Russian companies - Russia is clearly again interfering in the American elections! wassat
          Write to Biden's headquarters, they'll appreciate it! laughing
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 3 November 2020 14: 37
            +2
            Well, what for to prompt? You still write a letter to Biden.
            1. Dude
              Dude 3 November 2020 14: 59
              +1
              Quote: Pereira
              Well, what for to prompt? You still write a letter to Biden.

              Biden is given a communique every morning, based on the results of the publication of comments on VO, didn't you know? laughing laughing laughing
              (He would have read them himself, but he forgot where he put the glasses. And not only where he put them, but what they are for wassat repeat )
              So you were the first to "burn the hut", do not deny yourself!)))
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 3 November 2020 20: 06
                +1
                Thanks for the signal.
                I will send analytical notes through VO every day. I will specially register under the nickname Well-wisher - Biden. And I will wait for transfers in SLE (if you know what I mean).
                But only after his victory. Because if he loses, then he rested on me on Chubais, old senile?
                1. Dude
                  Dude 4 November 2020 00: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Pereira
                  Thanks for the signal.
                  I will send analytical notes through VO every day. I will specially register under the nickname Well-wisher - Biden. And I will wait for transfers in SLE (if you know what I mean).
                  But only after his victory. Because if he loses, then he rested on me on Chubais, old senile?

                  [i] [/ i] laughing laughing
                  Xs, which of them is young ?! tongue
                  We had carriage races, but the USA is not far behind!
    3. newcomer
      newcomer 3 November 2020 13: 12
      +2
      Uch. establishments for foreigners, especially the military, a good well for recruiting our intelligence personnel.
      1. Dude
        Dude 3 November 2020 13: 25
        +1
        Quote: newbie
        Uch. establishments for foreigners, especially the military, a good well for recruiting our intelligence personnel.

        Without a doubt. But I was talking about a broader trend - we offer - we are sent. I am sure that over the past few years, you yourself can recall several such cases.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 3 November 2020 13: 27
          0
          I can, of course, but apparently the Malaysian direction is important for our foreign policy.
          1. Dude
            Dude 3 November 2020 13: 36
            +2
            Quote: newbie
            I can, of course, but apparently the Malaysian direction is important for our foreign policy.

            Again, I agree with you smile
            But, in this case, the way the negotiations are conducted along this line is depressing - the appearance of such statements in the press is unacceptable. Even if Malaysia can afford to talk in a similar tone with Rosoboronexport (or whoever else is negotiating from our side), then this is a sign of a clear weakness in our position.
            Actually, knowing not by hearsay the level of modern Russian top managers, alas, I am not surprised.
            1. newcomer
              newcomer 3 November 2020 13: 42
              +2
              I agree with you with the depressing state of the level of foreign policy ties.
              1. Dude
                Dude 3 November 2020 15: 25
                0
                Quote: newbie
                I agree with you with the depressing state of the level of foreign policy ties.

                CHITD. request
                Damn, if only in this direction it would be awful, because blatant incompetence is everywhere, wherever you stick ... It's just that in foreign policy it is quite clearly visible, therefore, by ear. If you dig, for example, the assortment produced in the country, or the dynamics in strategic Civil branches - just right to grab your head. sad
      2. Eugene-Eugene
        3 November 2020 13: 29
        +3
        Well, still not so radical. But the future generals who underwent training together will still be disposed to each other. It is rather a matter of the loyalty of the future cadres leading the troops, which, in particular, can simplify the conclusion of transactions.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 3 November 2020 13: 33
          +1
          Also an option, as well as: agents of influence, agents in law enforcement agencies, in political leadership, in humanitarian, financial circles. It is no secret that in developing countries, cadres are forged abroad. Therefore, very often our graduates reach the highest authorities in their countries.
      3. Grandfather
        Grandfather 3 November 2020 14: 54
        +3
        Quote: newbie
        Uch. establishments for foreigners, especially the military, a good well for recruiting our intelligence personnel.

        graduates of the military academies of our country often used the experience against us.
        1. Dude
          Dude 4 November 2020 16: 22
          0
          Quote: Dead Day
          Quote: newbie
          Uch. establishments for foreigners, especially the military, a good well for recruiting our intelligence personnel.

          graduates of the military academies of our country often used the experience against us.

          But you are right, damn it ©!
          If we are to teach all sorts of baboons a high calmness, then we must hold them by the yayla with iron mittens!
          So that they could not think!
    4. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 3 November 2020 13: 15
      0
      To be honest, I don't really understand why we go everywhere with a proposal

      Perhaps this was part of the Russian proposal for the acquisition of equipment. Like, at the same time we will train your people, at a reasonable price.
      1. Dude
        Dude 3 November 2020 13: 22
        0
        Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
        To be honest, I don't really understand why we go everywhere with a proposal

        Perhaps this was part of the Russian proposal for the acquisition of equipment. Like, at the same time we will train your people, at a reasonable price.

        In any case, as a result, we have image losses. And the plane deal itself "smelled". Really, barter, in the spirit of the very beginning of the 90s ...
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 3 November 2020 13: 50
          +1
          Quote: Dude
          In any case, as a result, we have image losses.

          If only from the category of those that happen when a young lady refuses to go to the cinema. So the other will agree, there are no unique ones. This is not a reason to stop communicating with young ladies altogether.
          1. Dude
            Dude 3 November 2020 14: 26
            +1
            Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
            Quote: Dude
            In any case, as a result, we have image losses.

            If only from the category of those that happen when a young lady refuses to go to the cinema. So the other will agree, there are no unique ones. This is not a reason to stop communicating with young ladies altogether.

            I'm not suggesting to stop communicating with young ladies, you just need to be able to persuade them smile
            And, in general, I recall the catch phrase from the movie "Harley-Davidson and the Marlborough Cowboy": "As my late father said, before leaving this world:" Never run after girls and buses - you still won't catch up! " " smile
            They themselves will come, they themselves will ask, and they themselves will give everything they need. wink
            1. Aleksandr1971
              Aleksandr1971 4 November 2020 00: 29
              0
              Only Malaysia does not apply to these ladies. Russia doesn't have the tools to put Malaysia to bed.
              Now, if there was an opportunity to give combat aircraft to a strategic rival of Malaysia, then the Malays would be worried. But Malaysia has no strategic rivals. Well, maybe the PRC worries them because of the Spratly Islands. But against China, the Malays will buy combat aircraft from the United States, not from us.
    5. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 3 November 2020 13: 37
      0
      Quote: Dude
      To be honest, I don't really understand why we go everywhere with an offer of help

      Or maybe, in this case, to establish friendly relations with the aim of acquiring a naval base there in the future? Vietnamese friends just kind of clicked on our noses with this question.
      1. Dude
        Dude 3 November 2020 14: 29
        +1
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Quote: Dude
        To be honest, I don't really understand why we go everywhere with an offer of help

        Or maybe, in this case, to establish friendly relations with the aim of acquiring a naval base there in the future? Vietnamese friends just kind of clicked on our noses with this question.

        Something does not seem that Malaysia will compliment this issue. As for Camrani, EMNIP, to get out of there was our initiative.
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 3 November 2020 14: 40
          0
          Quote: Dude
          As for Camrani, EMNIP, to get out of there was our initiative.

          So here I read that the Vietnamese are now against military bases on their territory ...
          lovers of fried herring ...
          1. Dude
            Dude 3 November 2020 15: 02
            +1
            Quote: Starover_Z
            Quote: Dude
            As for Camrani, EMNIP, to get out of there was our initiative.

            So here I read that the Vietnamese are now against military bases on their territory ...
            lovers of fried herring ...

            Now it is possible, but the sermyaga is that our base is with them already been.
            And agree on the continuation home base, and about the creation the new base is, as they say in Odessa, "two big differences."
            Guantanomo to you, as an example.
      2. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 4 November 2020 00: 32
        +1
        Why should rich Malaysia, which has no external military threats, place a base of poor, fading Russia on its territory? Probably only to spoil relations in the United States and with its neighbors.
    6. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 3 November 2020 15: 18
      +6
      Once upon a time, only the Americans were sniffing at Russia, but now the Turks, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Malays and others, and others, and others .... This is called strengthening the international authority of Russia. There's just not enough evil ...
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 3 November 2020 12: 42
    0
    It's not about doctrine, but about the bonal fear of the United States, for many countries of the world are forced to live with an eye on the State Department, no matter how they bark at those who want to decide and do something on their own, without the permission of the Yankees.
  5. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 3 November 2020 12: 42
    +3
    of the four cadets who first completed an educational program in Armavir in the 1990s, three subsequently headed the Malaysian Air Force

    is this not a recognition of the quality of our Soviet education, and military education in particular soldier
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 3 November 2020 13: 01
      +2
      And who is the ultimate truth? Malaysia Flying Herald edition Direct voice of the Ministry of Defense of Malaysia. Here Africans study in batches and every year they send more. He is a tank with any doctrine, a tank laughing
      1. Dude
        Dude 3 November 2020 13: 18
        -2
        And who is the ultimate truth? edition Malaysia Flying Herald Direct voice of the Ministry of Defense of Malaysia.

        Judging by the frequency of citation in the specialized segment of the Internet, it is a fairly popular and rather authoritative publication. In general (judging from my own experience of interaction with the press), such publications, even if they do not reflect the point of view of the source, at least agree with him.
  6. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 3 November 2020 12: 47
    +2
    On the other hand, it is true. What to teach the Malays, fighting in the Arctic? And like the icing on the cake, send it to practice, somewhere. to the Northern Land, flying in the arctic fog. smile
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 3 November 2020 15: 20
      +1
      Russia, judging by what is happening with Russian military equipment, can only teach how to successfully blow through all the battles. All major armed conflicts in the past 30 years are examples of this.
  7. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 3 November 2020 12: 52
    +2
    The heading is about "Thomas", the rest of the text is about "Erema".
    In general, everything is written in the text - what for (goat button accordion) to send cadets to a Russian naval university if the fleet has nothing Russian. But the Air Force has our planes, and, accordingly, the pilots come to us to study.
  8. ccsr
    ccsr 3 November 2020 13: 00
    +2
    however, huge differences in military doctrine may hinder any attempt to send our cadets there
    - the Malaysia Flying Herald came to this conclusion.

    Complete nonsense, because the skills to control an aircraft or a ship have nothing to do with military doctrine. As an example, the pilots of the NNA of the GDR fit perfectly into the NATO military doctrine, because only they knew how to control Soviet fighters inherited by the FRG after the unification of Germany.

    As indicated, of the four cadets who first completed an educational program in Armavir in the 1990s, three subsequently headed the country's air force.

    And what is surprising here if they select their best cadets for such studies, who then actually prove that they can handle high positions in the Air Force.
    In general, not an article, but a set of journalistic clichés. I think that the decision to train Malaysian cadets with us will be made depending on the volume of purchases and the cost of the contract, because they will not be able to organize such training for pilots as our instructors can do, and this is what we need to proceed from.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 3 November 2020 13: 37
      0
      Quote: ccsr
      In general, not an article, but a set of journalistic clichés. I think that the decision to train Malaysian cadets with us will be made depending on the volume of purchases and the value of the contract ...
      As the "classics" of perestroika said, the market will regulate everything.
      But if you will
      Quote: ccsr
      pilots of the NNA GDR perfectly fit into NATO's military doctrine

      they were the last ones to “clean up” from the service - the issue of access to the secret. Somehow later I had a chance to talk and the Germans shared
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 3 November 2020 13: 41
        -1
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        they were the last ones to “clean up” from the service - the issue of access to the secret. Somehow later I had a chance to talk and the Germans shared

        This is not true, because many junior officers from other branches and branches of the military left to serve in the Bundeswehr, and even some senior officers continued to serve. Only the political workers were not left - they were all expelled from the army. I know that former NPA officers were met by our officers at various international exhibitions and military forums after our troops were withdrawn from Germany.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 3 November 2020 13: 47
          +2
          Probably I was unlucky and never met former NNA officers. Happens
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 November 2020 14: 10
    +1
    "We have different military doctrines"
    Interesting motivation for refusal. So military doctrines are practically different in many countries. In the countries of the NATO bloc, there is one with an orientation towards the main enemy of Russia, China and the application of a preventive nuclear strike, we have almost a defensive one with the possibility of a nuclear strike in certain cases, in Africa it is the third, in the Papuans the fourth. But this does not prevent cadets from various countries from studying at Russian military schools (universities). Something (someone) else interferes with which they are embarrassed to admit.