Roskosmos postponed the delivery of the preliminary design for the new space complex "Soyuz-5"

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Roskosmos postponed the delivery of the preliminary design for the new space complex "Soyuz-5"

Roskosmos has once again postponed the delivery of the draft design of the new Russian Soyuz-5 missile system. As follows from the materials of the state corporation posted on the public procurement website, the new date is July 30, 2021.

The delivery of the draft design for the new Russian space rocket complex Soyuz-5, designed to replace the Zenith produced in Ukraine, has been postponed for eight months. The new delivery date at Roscosmos was set on July 30, 2021.



The reason for the next transfer in the state corporation was not named, most likely it is associated with the unavailability of the launch pad for the new complex. As previously reported, the agreement on the construction of the Baiterek space rocket complex at the Baikonur cosmodrome was signed only on October 31, 2020, although it was originally planned that work would begin at the end of 2017.

Note that this is the second postponement of the project deadline. The first time the transfer took place in 2019, when the new date instead of October 30, 2019 was named October 30, 2020.

Meanwhile, the general director of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin said that the delay in the programs for the creation of the Sphere multisatellite constellation and the super-heavy rocket was due to lack of funding.

According to him, this is due to the coronavirus pandemic, due to which funding for some programs has been cut.

(...) the discrepancy between the Ministry of Finance and Roscosmos in assessing the cost of programs to create a super-heavy rocket and the Sphere satellite constellation is "from zero to a trillion" rubles

- Rogozin said, adding that Putin intervened in the situation, who instructed the government, together with Roscosmos, to clarify the specific parameters of these programs and ensure their adoption.
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  1. +20
    3 November 2020 10: 14
    Now everything will be blamed on the virus for another 5 years, no less.
    1. +11
      3 November 2020 10: 18
      Another Rogozin's tale: There is no money, otherwise I would have turned around.
      -Where is the money, Zin? (FROM)
      1. +3
        3 November 2020 10: 26
        Quote: Bearded
        Another Rogozin's tale: There is no money, otherwise I would have turned around.
        -Where is the money, Zin? (FROM)

        You stay there, the main thing is health and your mood.
      2. +10
        3 November 2020 13: 00
        Well, money was found for the new building of Roskosmos. This is understandable, where they will saw it, they will saw it. Only according to preliminary data, the cost is about 25 billion. How much it will cost at the end, only God knows.
    2. +27
      3 November 2020 10: 19
      Quote: Aviator_
      Now everything will be blamed on the virus for another 5 years, no less.

      Well, besides the virus, there is still the "heavy legacy of the 90s", the "general economic crisis", the Polovtsy and the Pechenegs, finally.
      1. +8
        3 November 2020 10: 21
        Polovtsy with the Pechenegs at last.

        laughing good
        1. +7
          3 November 2020 20: 51
          Go also the price of one company indexed. The closer to "paradise", the more expensive. winked

      2. +9
        3 November 2020 10: 30
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Polovtsy with the Pechenegs at last.

        This is the main reason .. but seriously, the problem is irresponsibility .. How many programs, decrees and other initiatives have already been failed .. So what? Everything is in its place ..
        1. +6
          3 November 2020 10: 43
          Hello Vladimir.
          Quote: Svarog
          This is the main reason .. but seriously, the problem is irresponsibility .. How many programs, decrees and other initiatives have already been failed .. So what? Everything is in its place ..

          Recently I have begun to think that the current authorities do not need space. Why, he does not bring money, in any case, if it does, it is incomparably less than oil or gas. If only in order to "master" the budget and shout on TV about new projects to cover up the problems with the economy. There are no real breakthroughs in Roskosmos for a long time. I'm afraid we will soon catch up (I'm not talking about China) some kind of Mexico or Saudi Arabia.
          1. +6
            3 November 2020 13: 01
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Recently, I have begun to think that the current authorities do not need space.

            You are wrong, the result is not very important, but the very process of mastering the budget is the goal.
            1. +7
              3 November 2020 13: 06
              Quote: ultra
              but the very process of mastering the budget is the goal.

              Even shouting about victories, or at least about projects, raises the morale of the "electorate." However, I believe that the refrigerator will soon triumph over the TV.
          2. +2
            3 November 2020 13: 30
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Recently, I have begun to think that the current authorities do not need space.

            "If the animals start to doubt, Screech assures them that everything is fine."
        2. +11
          3 November 2020 10: 49
          Programs, okay, this can somehow be understood.
          But postponing the delivery of sketches (once again !!!) is already the bottom.
    3. +15
      3 November 2020 10: 20
      Quote: Aviator_
      Now everything will be blamed on the virus for another 5 years, at least

      There shifts to the right also due to bargaining with Kazakhstan on financing.
      1. +3
        3 November 2020 10: 23
        There shifts to the right also due to bargaining with Kazakhstan on financing.

        It, of course, the average Kazakh zhuz from the Blue Horde also wants to have his piece.
        1. +18
          3 November 2020 10: 31
          "No time to swing" .... "Let's rally" ....
          1. +11
            3 November 2020 10: 51
            Quote: Snail N9
            "No time to swing" .... "Let's rally" ....

            Musolini said about the same. As soon as I hear from the TV screens "we all need to unite", "only together we will overcome all these difficulties", I immediately remember them with Adolf Aloisevich. Well, I can't imagine myself "rallying" with Chubais or Derepaska.
          2. +7
            3 November 2020 11: 28
            Ah ah ah! How loosely you reason. What are the planets and stars? There is a heavenly firmament, and in it there are holes through which the light of the Lord comes.
            Maybe you've read a lot of blasphemous communist books about space?
            Or not quite Russian?
          3. +6
            3 November 2020 13: 03
            Wait, right now the sectarians from Roscosmos will explain everything. laughing As in one Soviet cartoon "It will be like this ......".
      2. -2
        3 November 2020 17: 05
        Quote: Maki Maki
        Quote: Aviator_
        Now everything will be blamed on the virus for another 5 years, at least

        There shifts to the right also due to bargaining with Kazakhstan on financing.


        Yes. The launch pad is being reconstructed by Kazakhstan. And since they decided on financing late, the sketch for the complex was transferred. But they still have time for reconstruction. From our side, everything is going according to schedule.
        1. +4
          3 November 2020 21: 28
          The launch pad is being reconstructed by Kazakhstan. And since they were too late to decide on funding,

          Duzhe tsekavo. And with the fig, the kurultai of the Blue Horde takes on impossible tasks?
    4. +8
      3 November 2020 10: 48
      Quote: Aviator_
      Now everything will be blamed on the virus for another 5 years, no less.

      A student from Yoshkar-Ola who draws sketches has contracted the coronavirus.
    5. +5
      3 November 2020 13: 45
      Rogozin again a swindler Mask has done, what a handsome man ... He launches money straight like a river into space. What a smart journalist. Korolyov will soon get up with swear words from under the Kremlin.
    6. -1
      4 November 2020 07: 37
      I transferred the hangar, the Union 5 transferred it, only the coronavirus did not.
  2. 0
    3 November 2020 10: 15
    Putin intervened in the situation, who instructed the government, together with Roscosmos, to clarify the specific parameters of these programs and ensure their adoption

    and the gray matter themselves did not have enough? what
  3. +3
    3 November 2020 10: 16
    Dunno is a slippery type. Twists like that.
  4. RMT
    +14
    3 November 2020 10: 18
    Is a draft missile complex badly in need of a launch pad? Or is there no sketchy design of the launch pad?
    1. +7
      3 November 2020 10: 21
      You dig too deep lol
    2. -2
      3 November 2020 17: 19
      Quote: RMT
      Is a draft missile complex badly in need of a launch pad? Or is there no sketchy design of the launch pad?


      There is a project, but it requires coordination with Kazakhstan. The contract has just been signed.
  5. +4
    3 November 2020 10: 18
    About trampolines the chief boldly said so ..... it would be better to be silent more often.
    1. +8
      3 November 2020 10: 20
      About trampolines the chief boldly said so ..... it would be better to be silent more often.

      And what can he, except how to speak? A journalist by education.
      1. +10
        3 November 2020 10: 51
        About trampolines the chief boldly said so ..... it would be better to be silent more often.

        Come on. Do you remember how much joyful squeal there was from this statement among the "hurray-patriots" here on the forum? It is strange that now, for some reason, they do not even remember the former "nashfse" - RD-180, and earlier they loved it so much to "wave" it here on the forum .... wink
        1. 0
          3 November 2020 13: 14
          Come on, who has what, from what, joy, we will not dress up .... but the trouble is ALL ONE!
        2. -1
          4 November 2020 00: 44
          Quote: Snail N9
          About trampolines the chief boldly said so ..... it would be better to be silent more often.

          Come on. Do you remember how much joyful squeal there was from this statement among the "hurray-patriots" here on the forum? It is strange that now, for some reason, they do not even remember the former "nashfse" - RD-180, and earlier they loved it so much to "wave" it here on the forum .... wink


          And the trampoline worked well - more than $ 4 billion was earned on it. laughing and even more than a billion dollars for the RD-180 laughing
    2. +3
      3 November 2020 13: 04
      He does not often, but generally keep silent in a rag.
      1. +2
        3 November 2020 13: 16
        An impossible option for an official, whose deeds and victories ... somehow not ah.
  6. +5
    3 November 2020 10: 21
    Meanwhile, the general director of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin said that the delay in the programs for the creation of the Sphere multisatellite constellation and the super-heavy rocket was due to lack of funding.

    According to him, this is due to the coronavirus pandemic, due to which funding for some programs has been cut.


    Ay-ay-ay .. If it weren't a virus .. we would then ..
  7. 0
    3 November 2020 10: 23
    Dmitry's favorite saying: "I have nothing to do with it, but I have nothing to do with it ...."
  8. +11
    3 November 2020 10: 35
    Apparently, we will soon remember space as the Soviet Union, exclusively in the past tense.
  9. 0
    3 November 2020 10: 35
    Putin intervened in the situation
    And how can you not solve the problem with your mind and the official duties entrusted by the country? It is imperative that the president "hit the table with his fist."
  10. -2
    3 November 2020 10: 35
    And this is correct - kerosene Union-5 is not needed.
    need methane Soyuz-LNG and other launch vehicles using the same fuel
    Did Roscosmos understand this too?
    It's too good to be true.
    1. -5
      3 November 2020 17: 08
      Quote: Lontus
      And this is correct - kerosene Union-5 is not needed.


      Who told you that? laughing Soyuz-5 will be completed on time.
      1. +3
        3 November 2020 17: 50
        Quote: slipped
        Quote: Lontus
        And this is correct - kerosene Union-5 is not needed.


        Who told you that? laughing Soyuz-5 will be completed on time.

        When is it in time? in 2021? laughing

        slipped
        22 March 2018 20: 10

        The rocket deadline (Soyuz 5) is 2021, and it hasn't changed.

        Your predictions are so ridiculous - none came true !!
        Keep it up!!
        1. -5
          3 November 2020 22: 50
          Quote: Lontus
          When is it in time? in 2021? laughing


          Quote: Lontus
          Your predictions are so ridiculous - none came true !!


          What "not one did not come true"? specifically you can? laughing As for Soyuz-5, is it already 2021? lol Next year, the first rocket for bench tests will be assembled. This rocket launch two years after the conclusion of the contract shifted to 2023 due to Kazakhstan's delay in Bayterek, which is mentioned in this article.

          Quote: Lontus
          Keep it up!!


          You will hold laughing And we have launches at the end of November.
  11. +5
    3 November 2020 10: 36
    By the way, the other day a la Electron from another private trader is flying in China.

    With three solid-propellant stages and a fourth with a liquid engine, the carrier will be able to bring 350 kg of payload per 200 kilometer LEO. The launch of the Ceres-1 rocket will cost customers US $ 4 millionand the company is "working to bring the launch price down to less than $ 10 per kilogram."






    This is already 3 or 4 Chinese private rocket in the class up to / or 500 kg.
    1. +17
      3 November 2020 11: 02
      Quote: donavi49
      The Ceres-1 rocket launch will cost customers US $ 4 million and the company "is working to bring the launch price down to less than US $ 10 per kilogram."

      Damn, they are dumping! So they will take all the launches.
      1. -3
        3 November 2020 17: 10
        Quote: Smirnoff
        Damn, they are dumping! So they will take all the launches.


        Not scary. Our Glavkosmos launches some satellites for a promotion - free of charge. laughing

        For example, here is a free coupon for the launch of an Italian satellite:

    2. +3
      3 November 2020 11: 30
      donavi49 This is already 3 or 4 Chinese private rocket in the class up to / or 500 kg.

      It's time for us to organize a private office. Let the great Russian reformer, Comrade Chubais, do it. Enough for him to shoot a penny, on nanoproducts, it's time to start a large-scale business - boundless Space. And for the start-up capital, we will return his vouchers to him. Yes
  12. +6
    3 November 2020 10: 38
    Dmitry Rogozin, the general director of Roscosmos, said that the delay in the programs for the creation of the Sphere multisatellite constellation and the super-heavy rocket was due to a lack of funding.

    There is no time to build rockets !!!
    The fact that more than 40% of the violations identified by the Accounts Chamber in 2017 related to the activities of Roscosmos, Kudrin said back in June. At the same time, a specific amount was called - 760 billion rubles.
  13. +2
    3 November 2020 10: 45
    And, yes ... as Mr. Rogozin said, that Roscosmos, loyal to him, does not admit any delays in the timing of projects, it just makes transfers (to the right)
  14. +1
    3 November 2020 10: 45
    I ran out of money for paper and pencils.
  15. +6
    3 November 2020 10: 45
    Here I believe Rogozin.
    Since space as a topic has long gone out of state priorities, the budget for its development is "cut" with frightening constancy. Already cut off beyond any reasonable limits.
    And the salary, including the developers, must be paid and, if possible, monthly.
    But one should not discount Rogozin's direct sabotage of the Soyuz-5 theme, which rushes around with his Hangara like Ivanushka with a written sack. The matter got off the ground when Deputy Prime Minister Borisov stamped his foot and literally forced him to deal with the topic, which made NPO Energia incredibly happy, which until that moment had received contradictory instructions "from above": we will do Soyuz-5. No, we won't. No, we will, but on methane. No, we will, on kerosene, but then.
    Now the creation of Soyuz-5 is somewhere in the beginning of our usual paradigm:
    - The hype
    -Confusion
    -Punishment of the innocent
    -Rewarding those uninvolved)))))
    1. -1
      3 November 2020 11: 15
      I agree, "Angara" is not needed, poorly designed by redrawing whatman paper half-eaten by mice from the 80s and does not meet the requirements.
    2. -2
      3 November 2020 17: 12
      Quote: U-58
      Now the creation of Soyuz-5 is somewhere in the beginning of our usual paradigm:
      - The hype
      -Confusion
      -Punishment of the innocent
      -Rewarding those uninvolved)))))


      you are confusing KKK and RN
      1. +1
        3 November 2020 17: 26
        Still, I hope I am not confused.
        1. -1
          3 November 2020 17: 42
          There is a clear plan for the rocket. And some confusion at the start. But everything has already been agreed.
  16. 0
    3 November 2020 10: 55
    once again, there are not enough personalities of managers ... Korolev is needed ... Yangel ... and there are "effective" managers ...
    1. +7
      3 November 2020 11: 11
      I doubt that Korolev or Yangel will cope in one person. There is a systemic crisis in the industry multiplied by corruption.
  17. 0
    3 November 2020 11: 00
    Soon the phrase "Roscosmos moved" will turn into the new name of the organization, I think ..
  18. +2
    3 November 2020 11: 00
    Hmm. And what does the readiness of the starting table have to do with it? Or, as construction progresses, it can change so that the rocket cannot launch? Some strange reason.
    1. -2
      3 November 2020 17: 14
      Quote: zwlad
      Hmm. And what does the readiness of the starting table have to do with it? Or, as construction progresses, it can change so that the rocket cannot launch? Some strange reason.


      It meant that Kazakhstan is delayed with the reconstruction and has just signed a contract. And since they are the owners there, they must say their approval.
  19. -6
    3 November 2020 11: 03
    And in truth, something has not been heard about "trampolines" for a long time. Isn't it time for Roskosmos to join the Russian Defense Ministry? At least there will be order. And rockets are launched there much more often.
  20. +1
    3 November 2020 11: 30
    The best thing that can be done today is to disperse this State Corporation to hell .. And in a new place with new people to try to do something .. A huge, clumsy colossus, devouring money and unable to respond to a rapidly changing situation .. Misunderstandings with funding, courts ... MO is suing for disruptions of orders and penalties with ISS JSC, and ISS, in turn, is suing .. for. disruptions to the construction of objects and so on .. And everyone juggles with amounts of hundreds of millions, billions ... as a result, these circus acts cannot be found, no cases have been completed .. And the bosses have nothing to do .. Beauty .. funds are scattered, again, without any responsibility of the projectors and draftsmen ..
  21. +10
    3 November 2020 11: 41
    The reason for the next transfer in the state corporation was not named, most likely it is associated with the unavailability of the launch pad for the new complex.
    The main stages of the design process.
    1. Awareness of the social need for the product being developed
    2. Terms of reference for design (primary description)
    3. Analysis of existing technical solutions
    4. Development of a functional diagram
    5. Development of a block diagram
    6. Metric synthesis of the mechanism (synthesis of the kinematic scheme)
    7. Static force calculation
    8. Draft design
    9. Kinetostatic force calculation
    10. Force calculation taking into account friction
    11. Calculation and design of parts and kinematic pairs (strength calculations, balancing, balancing, vibration protection)
    12. Technical project
    13. Working project (development of working drawings of parts, manufacturing and assembly technology)
    14. Prototyping
    15. Testing prototypes
    16. Technological preparation of serial production
    17. Serial production of the product
    A question to the writer of the note - how could the unavailability of the launch pad affect the process of creating a draft design?
    The only reason for the unpreparedness of the draft design may be the failure to comply with points 1-7 from the above list.
    1. -3
      3 November 2020 17: 16
      Quote: Undecim
      The only reason for the unpreparedness of the draft design may be the failure to comply with points 1-7 from the above list.


      We make the rocket. The table is funded and serviced by Kazakhstan. Because of it, the delay. But there is still time and the rocket is flying as planned - in 2023.
      1. +3
        3 November 2020 18: 00
        The question to you is how does the presence of a table affect the design of a rocket? Where in the project is it needed?
        1. -1
          3 November 2020 22: 59
          Quote: Undecim
          The question to you is how does the presence of a table affect the design of a rocket? Where in the project is it needed?


          The rocket affects the reconstruction of the table. For example, the interfaces of the launch pad at the 45th site of Baikonur were designed by the NCAP for Zenit, the interfaces of the Soyuz-5 rocket are now being created by NPOA. It is necessary to bring the table in line with the rocket.
          1. +4
            3 November 2020 23: 03
            It is necessary to bring the table in line with the rocket.
            And then create a draft design?
            1. -1
              3 November 2020 23: 08
              Quote: Undecim
              It is necessary to bring the table in line with the rocket.
              And then create a draft design?


              I’ll explain well in a simple way - the Kazakhs will give money, the project of the KRK will be coordinated and the reconstruction of the table will begin by the efforts of TsENKI and Kazakh organizations. Then the finished rocket will be brought there and its tests will begin. Is this clear?
              1. +5
                3 November 2020 23: 13
                Yeah, based on your information - the postponement of the draft design was due to the lack of funding from the Kazakh side. Now it is clear. The Kazakhs are to blame.
                1. -1
                  3 November 2020 23: 14
                  Quote: Undecim
                  Yeah, based on your information - the postponement of the draft design was due to the lack of funding from the Kazakh side. Now it is clear. The Kazakhs are to blame.


                  And they too. laughing In this case, it is a joint project. It is called "Baiterek". From our side, the rocket is already being produced. On the part of Kazakhstan, there should be a reconstruction of the start. What is not clear to you? The start belongs to Kazakhstan for a year already.
                  1. +4
                    3 November 2020 23: 21
                    What is not clear to you?
                    I don’t understand how reconstruction can take place without a project. But you don't have to answer. You have already thrashed enough. Get some rest.
                    1. 0
                      3 November 2020 23: 24
                      Quote: Undecim
                      What is not clear to you?
                      I don’t understand how reconstruction can take place without a project. But you don't have to answer. You have already thrashed enough. Get some rest.


                      Who told you that there is no project? laughing Above in the article it is written in black and white - "delivery of the preliminary design of the KKK next spring". Then the reconstruction of the table will begin. And since the tail section of the Soyuz-5 is the same in diameter as that of the Zenit, the reconstruction itself will not take much time. This is not construction from scratch as at Vostochny and not reworking the start as at Plesetsk.
    2. +1
      3 November 2020 22: 38
      BOOOOOT !!! Finally, at least one sound comment on the case! And the next 9 stages cannot be completed in a year, only for 12-14 years you need three at such a pace (this is roughly, please do not kick in the head with your boots).
  22. +3
    3 November 2020 13: 43
    What can I say ... no words to print. Already and pictures can not be painted (sraccasm). But they have already swung at the moon. According to plans, not today, so tomorrow. Not tomorrow, so someday ... maybe ...
    Dmitry Rogozin, head of Roscosmos, spoke about the possibility of the Russians landing on the moon. He published an article "Russian space", in which he defined the nearest prospects for flights to the moon as the creation of a visited lunar laboratory. The first landing of Russian cosmonauts on the moon, according to this article by Rogozin, should take place in 2030.
    1. 0
      3 November 2020 14: 24
      Except for machine guns, no one will fly to the moon - there is nothing for a person to do there, judging by the data from Chinese devices .. (And in the 30th year, Mr.
    2. +8
      3 November 2020 15: 09
      Quote: Alexey 2020
      but have already swung at the moon. According to plans, not today, so tomorrow. Not tomorrow, so someday ... maybe ...

      Under Rogozin, we will definitely not be on the moon.
      1. -3
        3 November 2020 17: 45
        We are flying soon. Less than a year left. laughing
  23. +3
    3 November 2020 14: 44
    It's not about the Ragozins! The point is in Putin and his team ... One thing is good that there are fewer uryakaloks on the site! People began to turn on their brains more, and not the channel "Russia 24"
  24. +8
    3 November 2020 15: 08
    Roskosmos postponed the delivery of the preliminary design for the new space complex "Soyuz-5"

    Not at all surprised by this news.
    1. -4
      3 November 2020 17: 17
      Quote: Sergey Matveev
      Not at all surprised by this news.


      This will not in any way affect the time of the first launch of the rocket.
  25. +3
    3 November 2020 16: 31
    listened on the radio as Putin sternly inquires from Rogozin on the reasons for the delay by Roscosmos in approving a number of programs, after a while the same character says that in the case of Roscosmos it is necessary to stretch out his legs for clothes, proceed from funding possibilities ..... ..
    does this person remember what he said earlier? belay
    then he says that in the USSR there was nothing besides galoshes, then about nuclear medicine, the founder of which is again the USSR.
    however, I'm finding fault with man 68 knocked, and then Sobyanin forbade him to visit the theater, and so everyone knows Putin is the master of his word ... winked
  26. -6
    3 November 2020 17: 26
    I ran through the comments, I see all the crying people have no idea what the conversation is about.

    I explain on the fingers:

    1. There is a preliminary design of the Soyuz-5 rocket, it has been adopted long ago and the production of the rocket is underway. Design documentation is issued, production is being prepared, new machine tools are purchased, experimental products and fittings are produced.

    2. There is a draft design for the KKK, i.e. on the complex as a whole, including the reconstruction of the launch pad at the 45th site of Baikonur, which was recently returned to Kazakhstan. That's just about the reconstruction and all the questions. We just got a contract.



    Kazakhstan should allocate money for its part and start preparatory work. They have time for this.

    The launch of the first Soyuz-5 rocket is scheduled for 2023.
    1. +1
      3 November 2020 18: 24
      Nope. They will not succeed. It might fly in 2032. But why?
      1. -2
        3 November 2020 22: 54
        Quote: zwlad
        Nope. They will not succeed. It might fly in 2032. But why?


        Will be in time.
  27. +3
    3 November 2020 17: 36
    Shaw again? Couldn't even make a sketch for so many years? Selling a trampoline, inexpensive.
  28. +14
    4 November 2020 02: 02
    Roskosmos postponed the delivery of the preliminary design for the new space complex "Soyuz-5"

    It's not even funny anymore ... to chase the leadership of Roscosmos.