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When Russian cosmonauts land on the moon: plans and reality of the lunar program of the Russian Federation

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When Russian cosmonauts land on the moon: plans and reality of the lunar program of the Russian Federation

A flight to the moon is one of the cherished goals of the domestic space industry. But will Russia be able to send its cosmonauts to the moon at least in the foreseeable future?


The head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin spoke about the possibility of landing the Russians on the moon six years ago. He published an article "Russian space", in which, in particular, he defined the nearest prospects for flights to the moon as the creation of a visited lunar laboratory. The first landing of Russian cosmonauts on the moon, according to this article by Rogozin, should take place in 2030. Rogozin's article was published on April 11, 2014, and already in December 2014, the head of Roscosmos expressed doubt about the expediency of flights to the Moon and Mars for Russia.

Nevertheless, on November 28, 2018, the Russian Academy of Sciences and Roscosmos announced the lunar program of Russia, which is designed for the period until 2040 and includes three stages. At the first stage, the promising manned spacecraft "Eagle" (formerly called "Federation") should fly around the Moon, and the lunar surface itself is supposed to be investigated by automatic stations of the "Luna" series.


Eagle Spaceship Component


At the second stage, the cosmonauts should land on the moon for 14 days and start preparing the laying of the lunar base. Finally, the third stage includes the construction of a base on the Moon with a scientific infrastructure, and the formation of a unified system of means of exploration of the Moon.

However, the ability to complete these tasks within the specified time frame raises certain questions. So, the first stage is designed for the period 2020-2025. But the manned spacecraft "Eagle" still remains in a promising status. Only a year ago, in December 2019, it was determined that the mass of the ship was too heavy to fly. Work on improving the apparatus continues, so there can be no talk of any completion of the first stage of the exploration of the Moon until 2025. Most likely, in the optimal case, it will only begin in the second half of the 2020s. At least 2028 was designated by the first deputy head of Roscosmos, Yuri Urlichich, as the year of the planned unmanned flyby of the Moon by the Oryol spacecraft. Consequently, the timing of the implementation of the stages of the lunar program is shifted, each - by at least five years.

However, Roscosmos is not abandoning its ambitious plans. Thus, the chief designer of the Oryol spacecraft, Igor Khamits, said in an interview that in the future, the ship may be able to fly not only to the Moon, but also to Mars. Hamitz admitted that the pace of work on the creation of the ship needs to be accelerated and said that in 2025 the Eagle should still go on its first manned flight. But, of course, the moon landing will happen later.

To land a man on the lunar surface, it is planned to use a bundle of a spacecraft and a lunar take-off and landing module in orbit of an artificial lunar satellite. At present, systemic research is being conducted both on the development of such a module and the mission as a whole,

- Igor Khamits emphasized in an interview that appeared in June 2020 on the Roscosmos website.

When flying to the moon, according to Hamitz, the Eagle's crew will consist of four people, but Roscosmos will still have the opportunity to change its size. For this, two additional chairs can be installed in the living compartment of the ship.

Thus, we see that Roskosmos is not yet going to abandon the idea of ​​a flight to the moon, although there is no doubt that this is a very long-term project. Everything rests on the main issue for the country - financing. No matter how bright the heads of Russian designers are, no matter how skillful the hands of technical specialists are, but without proper financial support from the state, all such projects will be doomed to very, very long-term implementation.



However, those who are still quite young today may happen to witness a completely new stories cosmonautics of the era when people will explore the moon. First of all, it depends on the government whether these people will be Russians, or whether they will be Americans or Chinese.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 3 November 2020 13: 33
    19
    Dmitry Rogozin, the head of Roscosmos, spoke about the possibility of landing Russians on the moon six years ago

    Today ALREADY WRITTEN that this frame would be silent ... it was much more useful for everyone.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 3 November 2020 13: 36
      29
      When Russian cosmonauts land on the moon: plans and reality of the lunar program of the Russian Federation

      I’m sure never. Did these managers have anything done on time? In my opinion, they only postpone and postpone the dates ..
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 November 2020 13: 41
        +5
        I do not want to discuss this topic.
        There were great figures, organizers, responsible people in the old days ... now we have no ice with this.
        Whom to believe? That is the question.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 November 2020 13: 51
          25
          Quote: rocket757
          Whom to believe? That is the question.

          Yes, there is no one to believe .. All that we believed in remained in the past .. And my opinion is that without a return to the ideology of socialism, state planning, responsibility .. nothing good awaits us.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 3 November 2020 14: 05
            0
            A direct return NOW is not expected, and standing still, in any situation, is dangerous!
            I, personally, do not stand on the position that the worse - the better! So we can lose / lose too much.
            We must now play with the cards we have and purposefully prepare everything necessary to replace the RULES of the GAME, in our favor.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 3 November 2020 14: 32
              17
              Quote: rocket757
              We must now play with the cards we have and purposefully prepare everything necessary to replace the RULES of the GAME, in our favor.

              It is difficult to play with cheaters with their marked cards.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 3 November 2020 15: 49
                +1
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                It's hard to play with cheaters with their marked cards

                Well, yes, you have to study, study, study, nothing good happens by itself.
                1. Turanov
                  Turanov 3 November 2020 21: 55
                  -5
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  It's hard to play with cheaters with their marked cards

                  Well, yes, you have to study, study, study, nothing good happens by itself.

                  Learning from the mistakes, of which we have so many horror, will be enough to step on a rake, Russia has already got some mazol on its forehead .. angry
                  And marked cards also need to be up your sleeve .. As they say with wolves to live like a wolf howl and go to the goal!
                  Won the US elections .. bully
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 3 November 2020 23: 27
                    +3
                    Quote: Turanov
                    As they say with wolves to live like a wolf howl and go to the goal

                    Once you conquer, and then the goal will be quite definite, prey and lair!
                    No, no matter how we are on our own two feet, we will preserve our human appearance
                2. AUL
                  AUL 4 November 2020 12: 11
                  +5
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  It's hard to play with cheaters with their marked cards

                  Well, yes, you have to study, study, study, nothing good happens by itself.

                  Or maybe you need to play with cheaters, as in the old days - candelabra in the face? And to Siberia with a jigsaw!
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 4 November 2020 12: 26
                    +1
                    The option is attractive, in fact, but in fact, the sharper is not kids, defenseless, he may not even snap, but specifically insist on his own .... you must have not only a candelabrum, at hand, but also strength, NOT SMALL !!!
                    In principle, to keep parity, at the moment it is not bad!
              2. Lexus
                Lexus 3 November 2020 15: 50
                21
                Alexey hi ,
                what the hell is the moon? Here yesterday, Raspilkosmos announced that by 2022 it will bring to the market "new" engines. True, developed in 1976-1985 years!!! Slightly "subtle". I am ashamed to suggest what kind of "fool" the screponauts use, if they rejoice at such a thing. Apparently, it is very fierce. If so, they don't need any missiles. They are already hovering in other galaxies. The main thing is to deliver the "scrap" in time and change the vessel ... under the bed.
                1. Motorist
                  Motorist 4 November 2020 01: 47
                  -7
                  Quote: lexus
                  will bring "new" engines to the market. True, developed in 1976-1985 !!! Slightly "labeled"

                  Are you a rocket scientist? Explain, please, what "sub-mapped" engines mean. The opinion of a specialist is interesting. If, instead of an interesting story, just put a minus (as for a comment about cutting "yours" on repairing a German corvette on BreDo), then at least justify.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 3 November 2020 21: 07
              16
              Quote: rocket757
              We must now play with the cards we have and purposefully prepare everything necessary to replace the RULES of the GAME, in our favor.

              Your idea is clear, but unfortunately many staplers believe thimblers and Luntik is not their brightest representative.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 3 November 2020 21: 32
                0
                Quote: Stroporez
                many scrapers believe thimblers

                It has always been that way ... but there are not so many such stubborn, finally, no more than those who simply do not see, do not know, do not believe in the alternative.
                You have to work with them, teach, convince and show another way, other options for development.
                You need real movement, deeds, victories, in the end ... Even if not big, at first, but a big thing and consists of small, very often! There just comes a moment when everything starts to add up into one big, single whole! Which cannot be simply ignored.
                As in nature, an avalanche can turn out from one small snowball ... you just need to blind this snowball and launch it.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 3 November 2020 21: 44
                  15
                  Quote: rocket757
                  There just comes a moment when everything starts to add up into one big, single whole! Which cannot be simply ignored.

                  If I understood you correctly, then creating something unified and whole in today's environment is an extremely difficult task, there are too many opposing factors.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 3 November 2020 23: 23
                    0
                    You won't start, you won't know.
                    It is necessary to find out from those who do / tried to do ... but we passed by.
        2. Generator Systems
          Generator Systems 3 November 2020 23: 39
          +2
          Who are you going to believe in 2020? Only yourself can, and even then not always winked
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 3 November 2020 13: 42
        12
        Quote: Svarog
        I’m sure never.

        I'm afraid that only after a new revolution. Do not confuse with "colored maidans"!
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 3 November 2020 14: 07
          +5
          Revolutions don't happen by themselves! How is it according to the textbook - the lower classes can't do it in the old way, they don't want the top in the new way!
          With the top, everything is clear, for them the maximum, a palace coup!
          And how are you at the bottom ??? This is the main question!
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 3 November 2020 14: 35
            +3
            Quote: rocket757
            With the top, everything is clear, for them the maximum, a palace coup!
            And how are you at the bottom ??? This is the main question!

            Yes, we need to work in this direction, so as not to get a Maidan in the future or a national-fascist coup.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 3 November 2020 15: 52
              +1
              We have the experience of ancestors, the textbooks have been written! Yes, no one at school will show them now, but there are libraries and much more, where you can get the necessary knowledge. We must learn and do what we must. Then the result will be.
              Time, it works for everyone! You just need to use the available resources correctly.
              1. 210ox
                210ox 3 November 2020 17: 29
                11
                Unfortunately, in addition to books and textbooks, we have a pack of fattened rats. Until they go to trial, the prospects of our astronautics are too negligible.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 3 November 2020 18: 01
                  +4
                  As long as there is a feeder and a careless owner, the rats will be beefy!
                  You still have to start practically from the very beginning. We must learn to be together, as a whole, everyone loves work! Nobody else will do anything.
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 3 November 2020 14: 38
            14
            Quote: rocket757
            Revolutions don't happen by themselves! How is it according to the textbook - the lower classes can't do it in the old way, they don't want the top in the new way!
            With the top, everything is clear, for them the maximum, a palace coup!
            And how are you at the bottom ??? This is the main question!

            It is very true that a revolution is unnecessary and dangerous if the socialists do not eventually come to power. And in order for the socialists to come, the situation must mature, and the main thing is that the people must mature .. The demand of society grows every year for social justice, and more and more people remember the USSR. Semin is very correct about this.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 3 November 2020 15: 57
              +4
              Quote: Svarog
              The demand of society grows every year

              The request is growing! Just don't hope that those in power will quietly wait for the sailor Zheleznyak to knock on their door!
              They have cunning guys, they will try to take away, smear "porridge on a plate" !!!
              Those. it is necessary to strengthen the ranks and the faith of their associates by WORKS !!! Empty chatter, sales of the most beautiful / pleasant, slogans will not achieve anything worthwhile !!!
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 3 November 2020 16: 04
                +5
                Quote: rocket757
                They have cunning guys, they will try to take away, smear "porridge on a plate" !!!

                I agree, this is already happening. The communist parties were crushed, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation-frigid .. on those who are more active brought criminal cases.
                Those. it is necessary to strengthen the ranks and the faith of their associates by WORKS !!! Empty chatter, sales of the most beautiful / pleasant, slogans can no longer achieve anything worthwhile !!

                Things will be when the mind takes over the majority, now, unfortunately, this is not. Although the trend is positive. Now it is important, in my opinion, agitation and propaganda .. to attract supporters, especially since the old guard is leaving, and the young victim of the Unified State Exam and Navalny .. it's over and there are socialists among young people, but the movement must grow .. hi
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 3 November 2020 16: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Things will be when the mind takes over the majority

                  Believe, we EVERYWHERE have a negative, Schaub to declare about yourself, to show .... I'm old woman Shapoklyak's song "good deeds, you can't become famous!" I can easily refute! I already wrote why the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia always wins, in any elections ...
                  Only one person, a deputy from the Liberal Democratic Party, showed concern for the residents of the village and voila !!! People don't forget anything !!!
                  But he, by and large, did not help ... could not, by definition. But people remembered that the person tried to do it !!!
                  It's that simple! Surely such a case is not the only one, and on this, you can earn not frail political capital ... the field is not plowed! But, it is necessary to crawl out of the warm offices and go to the PEOPLE!
            2. Lexus
              Lexus 3 November 2020 16: 04
              +9
              Vladimir hi ,
              through the efforts of the "rowers" it may happen that "enlightenment / burial" will come before the enlightenment of the "holding together." Time works against PEOPLE.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 3 November 2020 16: 06
                +8
                Quote: lexus
                Vladimir hi ,
                through the efforts of the "rowers" it may happen that "enlightenment / burial" will come before the enlightenment of the "holding together." Time works against PEOPLE.

                In general, I doubt that the rowers will have enlightenment .. everything is very neglected there .. hi
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 3 November 2020 16: 11
                  +4
                  "Rowers" - into the "family" crypt. I'm not talking about them, but about the adepts among us.
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 3 November 2020 16: 18
                    +5
                    Quote: lexus
                    "Rowers" - into the "family" crypt. I'm not talking about them, but about the adepts among us.

                    And I do not believe in adepts .. there are those who work for money, and there are those who are well-arranged .. all the rest cannot be adherents of this hopeless .. there are those who do not fully understand, but they will certainly see the light .. because life does not get better and the refrigerator starts to win .. and in another reality there are more and more billionaires .. here is a break in the template .. here even those who are not burdened with intelligence will begin to guess .. that something is wrong ..
                    1. Lexus
                      Lexus 3 November 2020 16: 28
                      +4
                      It is the "unencumbered" who are the most aggressive.
                      They are not able to realize the full severity of the consequences.
      3. qQQQ
        qQQQ 3 November 2020 13: 42
        +8
        Quote: Svarog
        I’m sure never. Did these managers have anything done on time? In my opinion, they only postpone and postpone the dates ..

        And they will postpone it more than once, and then they will announce a more promising project and all over again, this is a very profitable business.
      4. Maki maki
        Maki maki 3 November 2020 14: 20
        13
        Quote: Svarog
        I am sure that never

        But deep down, I still believe. No, not Rogozin's terms, but the fact that this will happen.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 3 November 2020 14: 36
          +6
          Quote: Maki Maki
          that it will happen.

          who is still quite young today
          Alas, to me ....
      5. credo
        credo 3 November 2020 14: 31
        -7
        Quote: Svarog
        When Russian cosmonauts land on the moon: plans and reality of the lunar program of the Russian Federation

        I’m sure never. Did these managers have anything done on time? In my opinion, they only postpone and postpone the dates ..

        Can you reasonably explain what is the purpose of landing on the moon, in addition to prestige?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 November 2020 14: 46
          12
          Quote: credo
          Quote: Svarog
          When Russian cosmonauts land on the moon: plans and reality of the lunar program of the Russian Federation

          I’m sure never. Did these managers have anything done on time? In my opinion, they only postpone and postpone the dates ..

          Can you reasonably explain what is the purpose of landing on the moon, in addition to prestige?

          Конечно.
          Development of science. Technologists are needed to land on the moon. These technologies will largely find application in the military and industrial sectors.
          Second .. prestige is not just a sound, it is an indicator of success in a particular industry and prestige can always be converted into money.
          It is impossible to consider the development of space technologies, and even science, from the point of view of every minute benefit, this is a reserve for the future, and if even today something cannot be converted into money, then after a while one or another technology can make it rich ..
          1. credo
            credo 3 November 2020 14: 58
            -6
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: credo
            Quote: Svarog
            When Russian cosmonauts land on the moon: plans and reality of the lunar program of the Russian Federation

            I’m sure never. Did these managers have anything done on time? In my opinion, they only postpone and postpone the dates ..

            Can you reasonably explain what is the purpose of landing on the moon, in addition to prestige?

            Конечно.
            Development of science. Technologists are needed to land on the moon. These technologies will largely find application in the military and industrial sectors.
            Second .. prestige is not just a sound, it is an indicator of success in a particular industry and prestige can always be converted into money.
            It is impossible to consider the development of space technologies, and even science, from the point of view of every minute benefit, this is a reserve for the future, and if even today something cannot be converted into money, then after a while one or another technology can make it rich ..

            If I didn’t know what year is on the calendar today, I would consider that I read the editorials of Soviet newspapers. What you write is general phrases and nothing more. Following your logic, life in the USSR should have been higher by an order of magnitude or several orders of magnitude compared, for example, with the countries of Western Europe, given its achievements in the field of the space industry, but for some reason this did not happen.
            So I still think that the purpose of landing and exploration of the Moon has completely different reasons to which we are not initiated.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 3 November 2020 16: 39
              +8
              Quote: credo
              Following your logic, life in the USSR should have been an order of magnitude or several orders of magnitude higher in comparison, for example, with the countries of Western Europe, given its achievements in the space industry, but for some reason this did not happen.

              Well, why .. Do you think that people lived in the USSR worse than in Europe? It is possible that 30% of Europeans lived better, but the other 70% were about the same .. Again, what is meant by "better" ..
              Take a house .. which is better to work for 5 years and get an apartment for free or 20 years to owe and pay a mortgage .. Or get a higher education for free and be 100% employed or pay off a loan for education and it is not at all necessary to be employed ... a controversial statement about a better life in the capital countries .. They have a showcase, yes .. they did it well .. as now advertising of goods is beautiful, but it is not at all necessary that the goods are of high quality in the end.
              1. credo
                credo 3 November 2020 18: 28
                -6
                "... Well, why .. Do you think that people in the USSR lived worse than in Europe? It is possible that 30% of Europeans lived better, but the other 70% were about the same .. Again, what is meant by" better. " .. "
                --------------------------------
                And yet it seems to me that the goals of the exploration of the Moon or Mars are completely different.
            2. Cosm22
              Cosm22 3 November 2020 16: 52
              14
              And you do not admit the idea that people sometimes can just think differently? Not like you? Not to look everywhere only for benefits?
              And think bigger? How did Konstantin Eduardovich, for example, do it in his time?
              We sometimes have all the priorities turned upside down. That is why people have such questions - why? Who needs this moon? What's the use of her? What is the benefit? What to do ... People have different mentality ...
              One, having seized money (as a rule, to the state trough) seeks only to fill his own pocket. Yes, bring it offshore or over the hill. Yes, to buy there over the hill apartments for yourself and all your numerous relatives. Yes, buy an airplane for personal use. Yes, to buy a yacht of incredible length, so that everyone around them waved and envied.
              And others ... They earned start-up capital with their hump. A certain private shop was opened on it for the construction of launch vehicles and spaceships, unique rocket engines that really have no analogues in the world. Then a company producing electric cars, electric panels ...
              They don't ask unnecessary questions, for them everything is clear anyway. They are quietly making Tesla Model S, Hyperloop vacuum trains, Starlink satellite Internet, Raptor engines, Falcon carriers, Falcon Heavy, KK Dragon, Starship superheavy, which will revolutionize space in general ...
              All - from scratch, without attributing to themselves other people's merits half a century ago.
              And you know, I personally think that the future belongs to such people.
              By the way, Korolev sometimes did not always follow the lead of the CPSU Central Committee and sometimes fiercely defended his point of view. He also dreamed of the moon ... Although, why do we need it, right? What can she give?
              1. credo
                credo 3 November 2020 18: 36
                -10 qualifying.
                ".... They do not ask unnecessary questions, for them everything is clear. They calmly make Tesla Model S, Hyperloop vacuum trains, Starlink satellite Internet, Raptor engines, Falcon carriers, Falcon Heavy, Dragon spacecraft, Starship superheavy, which will produce generally a revolutionary revolution in cosmonautics ... "
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                A controversial issue, especially with regard to the pragmatic Anglo-Saxons. I am personally sure that everything they do is aimed primarily at making a profit and capturing those territories (planets) that can give them very significant advantages (or power) over other states. Everything else is lyrics.
                ----------------------------------------

                "... Everything is done from scratch, without attributing to itself other people's merits half a century ago.
                And you know, I personally think that the future belongs to such people.
                By the way, Korolev sometimes did not always follow the lead of the CPSU Central Committee and sometimes fiercely defended his point of view. He also dreamed of the moon ... Although, why do we need it, right? What can she give? ... "
                -----------------------------------------
                My personal opinion is that the development of the Moon and other planets is necessary for Russia to maintain parity with the Anglo-Saxons and possibly with the Chinese so that the possible advantages from this development do not turn into a large and insoluble problem for Russia, and everything else is secondary.
                1. eklmn
                  eklmn 3 November 2020 19: 18
                  +5
                  “A controversial issue, especially with regard to the pragmatic Anglo-Saxons. I am personally sure that everything they do is aimed primarily at making a profit and seizing those territories (planets) that can give them very significant advantages (or power) over other states. "
                  And then the Anglo-Saxons! Russia is the leader in making a profit!
                  “By mid-2019, there were 110 citizens in the Russian Federation with a combined fortune of more than a billion dollars,” Credit Suisse calculated in the annual Global Wealth Report.
                  10% of the population of Russia controls 83% of wealth, and 1% of the wealthiest citizens control almost 60% of all material and financial assets.
                  “According to this indicator, Russia has no equal among the world's major economies: for example, in the United States, 1% of the population owns 35% of the wealth, in China and Germany - about 30%, in France and Italy - a little more than 20%.”
                  Musk has seized territory? Musk took over a production that did not exist before him. It's the same with Microsoft, IPhone, etc. Bisnes does not tolerate emptiness - if something has never been created, it will. And get the money (maybe). This is the nature of the development of technical progress and there is nothing to blame the Anglo-Saxons if you cannot create your own. You can earn (see above), but you cannot create for the world.
                  "Russia needs to explore the Moon and other planets to maintain parity with the Anglo-Saxons and possibly with the Chinese ..."
                  It is important for Russia to have parity in the military industry, to have parity in the development of the moon and planets will not work - there are no funds. It is necessary to join the teams / companies of other countries and this is not shameful, but prestigious and, most importantly, economically. Now such a level of development of cosmonautics in many countries that Russia, without cooperation, is doomed to lag behind.
                2. Cosm22
                  Cosm22 3 November 2020 22: 04
                  +7
                  Well ... your thinking is clear. Capturing something, holding something - you don't want to think differently. And you don't know how.
                  Let's try it differently.
                  Yes, the civilian and military direction in space has always and everybody went hand in hand. Except for today's Russia. Where the military clearly prevails over the civilian sector.
                  Let's take the same Starlink. The Russian military is still suffering from this brainchild of Musk. But at the same time, the program does an extremely useful thing for the civilian population - it provides it with the Internet in hard-to-reach places. Most of the Falcon flights are for commercial requests.
                  Now we take Rogozin's pride Angara. Who needs it besides the Russian military? Nobody. Not in the world, not in Russia itself. For the cost of this disposable carrier is prohibitive and it is not even theoretically capable of competing with the same Falcons of various modifications. Our state spares no money for the military, the military will buy it. And no one would think to ask - what are they actually buying? And why? At this price?
                  After all, a paradoxical situation is developing: soon it will be more profitable for the first space power in the world to buy launches from Musk.
                  For its own cosmonautics is in the corral, and it is impossible to do something worthwhile.
                  After that, it remains only to ask - why do we need this Moon?
            3. Simargl
              Simargl 3 November 2020 19: 20
              +5
              Quote: credo
              If I did not know what year is on the calendar today, I would consider that I read the editorials of Soviet newspapers.
              What year is it today?
              Today's engines are the way out of the 80s.
              Technologies are not developing very much, and they let them into our people even worse.
              The closer countries are to space, the more advanced technologies are available. The problem is that Russia is not in the first echelon, even in terms of launches, but it is necessary to keep silent about electronics ... as well as about computer technology.
      6. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 3 November 2020 15: 01
        +8
        And they saw, saw, saw ... Probably already bought all the pentauses in Miami Beach ...
      7. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 3 November 2020 15: 31
        +4
        Quote: Svarog
        I’m sure never. Did these managers have anything done on time? In my opinion, they only postpone and postpone the dates ..

        They only receive salary on time and probably a lot!
        Or maybe put them on piecework and on a brigade contract ?!
      8. page
        page 4 November 2020 13: 16
        +3
        You're wrong, the deadlines for stuffing your pockets are being met!
      9. Charik
        Charik 4 November 2020 14: 46
        -1
        In time-re-targeted the building in Baikonur-now you can steal there
    2. Civil
      Civil 3 November 2020 13: 54
      +4
      You shouldn't believe Rogozin, Russia will be on the moon, but after 50 years, now everything has started), they began to promise.
    3. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 3 November 2020 15: 02
      +5
      When he is silent, then he can pass for a smart one.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 3 November 2020 16: 22
        +6
        Sergei hi ,
        Baranogozin's "balabolka" never closes. Because, in the absence of positive results, at least somehow you need to remind of your existence.
  2. iouris
    iouris 3 November 2020 13: 34
    15
    Why, looking at Rogozin's photo, do I see Saakashvili and not Korolev?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 3 November 2020 13: 43
      10
      If you look higher, you will not see Comrade Stalin there either ...
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 3 November 2020 13: 47
      10
      Quote: iouris
      Why, looking at Rogozin's photo, do I see Saakashvili and not Korolev?

      laughing Because you can't fool the eye .. Rogozin is just a journalist ... and everything is out of place ..
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 November 2020 14: 09
        +3
        Unfortunately, on the approach, no one suitable for their place is observed.
      2. iouris
        iouris 4 November 2020 11: 29
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        Rogozin is just a journalist ...

        "Just a journalist" Safronov was dropped out of his personal "Mercedes" and is being pressed.
        What is needed is not a journalist, but a filmmaker who can make a film of the level of "Kin-Dza-Dza".
  3. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 3 November 2020 13: 42
    11
    The author asks the question: "When will Russian cosmonauts land on the Moon?"
    My answer is: when the brothel will change girls instead of changing beds repeat laughing

    Well, that is, not in this life bully
    1. credo
      credo 3 November 2020 14: 33
      -6
      Quote: Crown without virus
      The author asks the question: "When will Russian cosmonauts land on the Moon?"
      My answer is: when the brothel will change girls instead of changing beds repeat laughing

      Well, that is, not in this life bully

      In my opinion, the Author partially answered this question - "When will there be sufficient funding."
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 3 November 2020 14: 48
        +5
        Quote: credo
        Quote: Crown without virus
        The author asks the question: "When will Russian cosmonauts land on the Moon?"
        My answer is: when the brothel will change girls instead of changing beds repeat laughing

        Well, that is, not in this life bully

        In my opinion, the Author partially answered this question - "When will there be sufficient funding."

        On the account of financing - CAM !!! Putin said about funding in the space industry laughing laughing laughing



        A short retelling of the video - there is money, but it is shamelessly stolen bully
        1. depressant
          depressant 4 November 2020 00: 55
          +6
          And about financing.
          "Kommersant":
          "The Troitsk District Court of Moscow will consider the lawsuit of the Prosecutor General's Office to seize the Podsolnukh shopping center in Khabarovsk from the son of the former head of Dalspetsstroy, General Yuri Khrizman, who is serving time for fraud at the Vostochny cosmodrome and recovering 345 million rubles.

          The department believes that the general's family illegally enriched themselves on the implementation of the municipal contract. In 2007, the Khabarovsk mayor's office decided to build up part of the Industrial District. The auction was won by Dalspetsstroy, which, according to the terms of the contract, was supposed to build schools, kindergartens, clinics and resettle tenants from dilapidated houses. In return, the developer received free of charge a land plot with an area of ​​11 thousand square meters, on which he built a shopping center. "

          So he was stealing, and everyone was watching. Did you catch it when you stole it? There are still a bunch of kradunov, cases are being considered. So what? Is this what Roscosmos is about?
          If it goes on like this, what space is there!
          And in general ... If other thieves' stories outrage, then this one also insults. In the best feelings.
        2. iouris
          iouris 4 November 2020 12: 29
          +2
          Quote: Corona without virus
          there is money, but it is shamelessly stolen

          Well, Winnie the Pooh once explained it:
          "But honey is a very tricky subject,
          every thing is either there or not ...
          And honey, I do not understand in any way what the secret is ...
          If there is honey, then it is immediately gone ... "
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 4 November 2020 14: 00
            +1
            Quote: iouris
            Quote: Corona without virus
            there is money, but it is shamelessly stolen

            Well, Winnie the Pooh once explained it:
            "But honey is a very tricky subject,
            every thing is either there or not ...
            And honey, I do not understand in any way what the secret is ...
            If there is honey, then it is immediately gone ... "

            Well, if YOURSELF !!! to the whole world declares that:
            1. He does not abandon his own (I myself am so - I can understand)
            2. But even the MOST order! failed to recover in the field of assimilation funds in space programs ...

            Conclusion ... When ITSELF !!! will change ... the team who are not abandoned will change ... you look, and a Russian cosmonaut will set foot on the moon ... repeat
  4. prior
    prior 3 November 2020 13: 47
    +8
    "When Russian cosmonauts will land on the moon"

    What for? The Lunokhod was crawling there, so what?
    To puff out our cheeks to prove there is something else we can do?
    So there is no oil or gas on the moon.
    It was the Soviet Union who fought for world championship, and now everyone knows where Russia is in terms of living standards ...
    Why do you need a Versace tie if the pants are in patches ?!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 3 November 2020 14: 03
      +4
      Oil and gas cost nothing at all. There is the same Psyche, according to sounding data, it consists of platinum, gold and rare earths on 10 quadrillion dollars at current prices. This is more than in theory can be squeezed out of the ground, without any drug addiction projects, the level of pumping heavy metals from the core.

      However, despite all this, they cannot collect a personal mission to Psyche. Although it's not that far to fly to her. And what kind of probe such as Hayabusa or OsiriksReka can be assembled in a couple of years.

      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 3 November 2020 14: 12
        0
        Who will start a business will get enough of it, and then lower the stock indices.
      2. DrEng527
        DrEng527 3 November 2020 16: 31
        +5
        Quote: donavi49
        according to sounding data, it consists of platinum, gold and rare earths

        do not share where infa? Wiki writes - "Spectral class M is the third most numerous class of asteroids, the composition of this class is rather poorly understood. It is only known that they have a moderately high albedo (0,1 - 0,2) and contain metals in their composition. Some, but far away not all of them are made of nickel and iron, with a small admixture of stone "
        Quote: donavi49
        no personal mission to Psyche can be

        "Psyche [1] is a planned NASA mission to study the metal asteroid 16 Psyche, which can be used to study the origin of planetary nuclei." "Psyche will arrive at (16) Psyche and will enter orbit on January 31, 2026."
        wait and see...
      3. Simargl
        Simargl 3 November 2020 19: 27
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        However, despite all this, they cannot collect a personal mission to Psyche.
        Wait a bit. The probe flew - showed the ability to pick up a piece.
        From that moment on, the moneybags began to itch. And this means that the brain creaks in the direction of "pinching off your piece of happiness."
    2. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 3 November 2020 14: 11
      0
      Quote: prior
      "When Russian cosmonauts will land on the moon"

      What for? The Lunokhod was crawling there, so what?
      To puff out our cheeks to prove there is something else we can do?
      So there is no oil or gas on the moon.
      It was the Soviet Union who fought for world championship, and now everyone knows where Russia is in terms of living standards ...
      Why do you need a Versace tie if the pants are in patches ?!

      You will be very surprised, but even 100 years ago "the entire world community" thought about Siberia (figuratively speaking) that there was only a forest wassat and now without oil and gas Russia is soooo ... no one can call her tongue

      About the Moon ... the reserves of only helium-3 on the Moon exceed the reserves of helium-3 on the Earth by well, probably a million times (according to expert estimates of various experts - from 1 times to 1 billion times) ... And this is only about helium- 3 speech to lead ... hi

      So ... "To plow the moon and plow more" drinks
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 3 November 2020 14: 17
        +1
        Quote: Crown without virus

        So ... "To plow the moon and plow more" drinks


        Another thing is that they did not figure out what to plow! ... Well, mankind has not figured out how to take (or use there) that very Helium-3 from the Moon on an industrial scale, but in others it is not needed ..
        Such a human flight is simply meaningless at the moment, unless you check the box ... Throw away a sea of ​​resources for the sake of satisfying the ego? .. It's easier - send a probe!

        Regarding the human flight itself - the issue of radiation has not yet been resolved, even in low Earth orbit it is decent ... According to experts, the dose of radiation that cosmonauts will experience every day is about 1,3 millisieverts (a unit of measurement of the radiation dose received from a radioactive source). This is 2,6 times more than astronauts receive on the International Space Station (ISS). The radiation level on the moon is almost 200 times higher than on the earth's surface. The permissible norm for people working with radiation is 20 millisieverts per year. An astronaut on the moon will cross this threshold in a little over 15 days.

        Why do all the space agencies of the world regularly exaggerate the topic of flying to the moon?
        But no one flies !?
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 3 November 2020 14: 41
          +2
          Quote: Nasr
          Quote: Crown without virus

          So ... "To plow the moon and plow more" drinks


          Another thing is that they did not figure out what to plow! ... Well, mankind has not figured out how to take (or use there) that very Helium-3 from the Moon on an industrial scale, but in others it is not needed ..
          Such a human flight is simply meaningless at the moment, unless you check the box ... Throw away a sea of ​​resources for the sake of satisfying the ego? .. It's easier - send a probe!

          Regarding the human flight itself - the issue of radiation has not yet been resolved, even in low Earth orbit it is decent ... According to experts, the dose of radiation that cosmonauts will experience every day is about 1,3 millisieverts (a unit of measurement of the radiation dose received from a radioactive source). This is 2,6 times more than astronauts receive on the International Space Station (ISS). The radiation level on the moon is almost 200 times higher than on the earth's surface. The permissible norm for people working with radiation is 20 millisieverts per year. An astronaut on the moon will cross this threshold in a little over 15 days.

          Why do all the space agencies of the world regularly exaggerate the topic of flying to the moon?
          But no one flies !?

          100 years ago the expression "Kremlin dreamer" appeared - here's a quote - not mine - is short:

          "This is the expression of HG Wells, science fiction writer, author of the book" The War of the Worlds ", who visited Russia soon after the revolution and even met with Lenin, and, returning to England, wrote the book" Russia in the Dark ", where he incredulously assessed the plans of the head of state, calling him "the Kremlin dreamer". It was primarily about the electrification of the country, where a torch and a smokehouse were still used for lighting in remote villages."

          Only a hundred years have passed ... 100 years ago, the main "driving force" was steam, to get steam they used peat, coal and firewood ... Now - life is not possible without electricity ... To "extract" ElestrIchestvo now use oil , gas, atom ... And only 100 years have passed !!! belay

          So vooot ... 100 years ago, probably the most famous science fiction writer of the Earth, did NOT believe Lenin that literally soon the slogan "Communism is Soviet power plus the electrification of the whole country ..." will come true at least in its second part that "Bulb Ilyich "will light up in the most remote places laughing
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 3 November 2020 14: 51
            -2
            Quote: Crown without virus

            100 years ago the expression "Kremlin dreamer" appeared - here's a quote - not mine - is short:
            :

            We have been waiting for a hundred years and then they will remember the words of Rogozin ... laughing
            Before flying to the moon, another world technological leap must take place on earth. It is preceded by - world cataclysms, wars and so on ... are we waiting for this?
            1. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 3 November 2020 14: 56
              0
              Quote: Nasr
              Quote: Crown without virus

              100 years ago the expression "Kremlin dreamer" appeared - here's a quote - not mine - is short:
              :

              We have been waiting for a hundred years and then they will remember the words of Rogozin ... laughing
              Before flying to the moon, another world technological leap must take place on earth. It is preceded by - world cataclysms, wars and so on ... are we waiting for this?

              Why wait ?! ))) According to the most optimistic calculations, coal, peat, oil and gas will be enough just for a hundred years - well, then either use helium-3, or switch back to firewood - thank God, there will be enough forests for the land for another 100-200 years , after the end of oil and gas bully well, then ... belay
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat 3 November 2020 15: 07
                +1
                Quote: Crown without virus

                Why wait ?! ))) According to the most optimistic calculations, coal, peat, oil and gas will be enough just for a hundred years -

                These are proven reserves .. there are also unexplored ones ... by the way, the same coal will last for 250 years for sure ..
                The same uranium will last for 800 years for sure ... I explain - natural uranium isotope 235 is only 0,7%. And if we take into account that when using the BN technology, its brother uranium-238 also "burns", of which the remaining 99,3% is in nature (and which is not included in the official statistics on uranium mining), then the figure is completely different: 800 years.
                Gas - there are huge resources in general ... take the Black Sea or the Arctic region ...
                1. Nasrat
                  Nasrat 3 November 2020 15: 20
                  +3
                  Oil - no one knows how much of it is left ... wink
                  The mechanism of formation of hydrocarbons on the planet is still a mystery for scientists.
                  First, a few facts. January 12, 2010 on about. Haiti was hit by a strong earthquake with a magnitude of seven. Literally a few days after the earthquake, large oil reserves were discovered in the offshore zone of the island.

                  Earlier exploration for oil in this area yielded negative results.

                  In June 1948, exploration well No. 3 gave an oil gusher, which marked the discovery of the Romashkinskoye oil field. According to initial estimates, the field's recoverable reserves were 710 million tons of oil. However, to date, more than 3 billion tons of oil have already been produced here, and the field continues to be developed. In this case, very interesting phenomena are observed. Typically, during the development of an oil field, the properties of the residual oil deteriorate, its density and viscosity increase. However, the opposite effect was observed at the Minnibaevskaya area of ​​Romashkinsky. In a number of wells, periodic decreases in oil density and viscosity to the initial level were detected. In other words, “new” oil appeared in the reservoir. In addition, hundreds of inversion wells were identified, in which a long-term drop in production rates was suddenly replaced by their growth, which clearly contradicts the “law” of falling oil production.

                  The development of an oil field in the Tersko-Sunzhensky district in Chechnya began in 1895, and by the beginning of World War II, due to the heavy flooding of wells, most of them were mothballed. A few years later, re-opened wells began to produce anhydrous oil. By the beginning of the 90s of the last century, wells were watered again and had not been operated for more than 10 years. With the resumption of production, production rates increased significantly, and part of the wells again began to produce anhydrous oil.

                  Similar cases of the arrival of "new" oil have been recorded at a number of fields around the world. Where does the "new" oil come from in old, often depleted fields?

                  In September 2009, British Petroleum (BP) announced the discovery of what is arguably the largest oilfield in the company's history (Tiber Oilfield) in the Gulf of Mexico. The well that opened the productive formation was drilled from an offshore drilling platform to a depth of 10 685 m with a water column of 1260 m. There are no source rocks at this depth, the temperature and pressure conditions are too high to maintain the oil composition for a long time. Where does the oil come from in this field?

                  According to BP at the end of 2014, proven reserves in the Middle East countries accounted for about 48% of the world's oil reserves and about 43% for natural gas. In accordance with the generally accepted quantitative geochemical model, all source rocks of the region can yield no more than 6% of proven reserves. Where is the source of the remaining 94% of oil and gas?

                  Oil and natural gas are renewable natural resources. The development of hydrocarbon deposits should be based on the balance of replenishment and withdrawal volumes during their operation. If hydrocarbons are produced at a withdrawal rate equal to the recharge rate, then the field can be operated for a very long time, possibly hundreds of years. This will require a radical change in the methods and modes of operation of oil and gas fields, the development and implementation of fundamentally new types of equipment and materials.
                2. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 3 November 2020 15: 28
                  +1
                  Let's take an example with the same coal)))
                  It can be mined with open-pit excavators, or it can be mined in deep mines, where a shift needs to go down for half an hour, and upward for half an hour - and so every day ... the question of price and profitability ... so with helium-3 ... when (if we do not consider) will create a "device" for converting helium-3 into electricity - there will be only one small question about high-capacity batteries - and "a question in the hat" hi
            2. Simargl
              Simargl 3 November 2020 19: 42
              +1
              Quote: Nasr
              Before flying to the moon, another world technological leap must take place on earth.
              The problem is that they have already flown there. 8 times. And 6 - she was trampled.
              Here's to terTo master moonotorria - you need a jumpоj. One more. Or a lot.
              Here is the second problem: if you sit back, others will do it for you, you will have to buy. For expensive.
        2. Saxahorse
          Saxahorse 3 November 2020 23: 02
          +1
          Quote: Nasr
          Such a flight of a person is simply meaningless at the moment, unless you check the box ... Throw away a sea of ​​resources for the sake of satisfying the ego? ..

          Quite a big deal, check the box. The flag is, directly or indirectly, evidence of the ownership of a given territory or a celestial body once they have reached such heights.

          Sooner or later, the descendants will realize why did our ancestors start like, but on every interesting celestial body it is not our flags that are all?
        3. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 7 November 2020 01: 56
          0
          Quote: Nasr
          mankind has not figured out how to take out (or use there) that very Helium-3 from the Moon on an industrial scale, but in others it is not needed ..


          He is not needed at all now. And it won't be needed until a thermonuclear is made that uses helium-3 (and there are many types of thermonuclear reactions).
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 November 2020 17: 14
        -6
        "And now, without oil and gas, Russia is soooo ... no one can call it" What are you saying, the share of oil and gas in the structure of Russia's GDP for last year is 19% - we have not been living with hydrocarbons for a long time.
        1. Wolverine
          Wolverine 3 November 2020 18: 57
          +2
          https://yandex.ru/turbo/pravda.ru/s/news/economics/1522590-dohody/
          ---------
          The share of oil and gas revenues in the federal budget decreased
          20.08.2020 10:46
          For the first time in many years, less than a third of all receipts to the federal treasury in the first half of 2020 were oil and gas revenues.
          "The share of oil and gas budget revenues in Russia amounted to 29,3% and decreased by 2019% compared to the same period in 13,9. The share of oil and gas budget revenues in the first half of the year decreased by 1,5% year-on-year to 2,3% of GDP," - says the report of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation on the execution of the federal budget.
          From 2005 to 2019, the share of oil and gas revenues in the Russian budget reached 51 percent, employees of the Accounts Chamber recalled.
          "The decrease in revenues was influenced by a decrease in revenues from export customs duties on oil, gas and goods produced from oil by 618,1 billion rubles, or by 53,6%, mineral extraction tax in the form of hydrocarbons by 1,134 trillion rubles, or by 36,4 , XNUMX%. The indicator decreased mainly due to a decrease in the average oil price, a decrease in gas export volumes. This was caused by weather conditions and a decline in economic activity in European countries during the pandemic, "the auditors of the Russian joint venture note in their report (C)
          ------
          Someone sounds like breathing ...
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 4 November 2020 01: 06
            -3
            Someone zvizdit how he breathes ... You generally know how to read - I wrote about the share in the country's GDP and not about the share in the budget.
  5. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 3 November 2020 13: 48
    +6
    There are a lot of plans ... laughing One thing is embarrassing: "Where is Zin's money? And, of course, Zin pulls me into the store with the money, and there are friends ... After all, I, Zin, do not drink alone!" (C)
  6. Pavel73
    Pavel73 3 November 2020 13: 53
    -4
    Russian cosmonauts will be able to land on the moon only when there is complete clarity about what it is for. And the very possibility of this will appear only after the normalization of relations with the United States and an agreement on the joint exploration of the Moon. We lost the moon race with a bang and a crash (literally). Cooperation remains (as on the ISS). When there is complete clarity on it, then the money will be found. In the meantime ... Conversations, a shift to the right, and a sluggish development of individual elements for the lunar program.
    1. DrEng527
      DrEng527 3 November 2020 16: 35
      0
      Quote: Pavel73
      the very possibility of this will appear only after the normalization of relations with the United States and reaching an agreement on joint exploration of the moon.

      in the foreseeable future this is not realistic ... request
      but after the creation of the tug Nuclon - quite ... in general, flying beyond orbit on chemical engines does not make sense ... request So, as Roskosmos does not haut - its strategy for creating fundamentally new funds is quite reasonable!
      Quote: Pavel73
      when there will be complete clarity of what it is for.

      it's even hard to imagine - why is there still a person request machines are cheaper and more reliable ...
  7. Tsoy
    Tsoy 3 November 2020 13: 56
    +3
    The issue of financing is acute, but every year less and less funds are allocated for space. Considering that Roscosmos is an unprofitable office with a mass of corruption scandals, no one in the government will flood the lunar program with financial resources in the hope of getting a ghostly exhaust with a flag and for the sake of the prestige of the state. Plus, by the year 30, the United States will have completed the Artemis program with all the delays.
  8. Freemason Mason
    Freemason Mason 3 November 2020 14: 01
    12
    When Russian cosmonauts will land on the moon

    Good question. Let us consider it in more detail, comparing the availability of the necessary elements for landing on the moon in the United States and Russia.

    Super heavy launch vehicle:
    USA -
    SLS ready, test flight next year. Yes, the rocket is very expensive, but at least it is.
    Super Heavy from Musk, prototype being assembled.
    Russia -
    Yenisei, is present only in the form of models at exhibitions and "promises to promise" from Rogozin.

    QC for a flight to the moon:
    USA -
    Orion is ready, test flight with SLS next year.
    Musk's Starship, over 10 prototypes assembled, 15km jump in November. Orbital flight is possible next year.
    Russia -
    Federation-Eagle. And nothing has changed.

    Transhipment point in the form of a lunar station (optional):
    USA -
    The LOPG project was accepted and orders for the construction of modules were issued.
    Russia -
    .

    Moon Exploration Partners:
    USA -
    Europe, Canada, Japan
    Russia -
    Rogozin, with his head held high, refused to cooperate with the above countries. You see, he didn't like the "leading role of the United States in the project."

    I think the readers will draw conclusions from this comparison themselves ...
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 4 November 2020 11: 31
      -5
      Super heavy launch vehicle:
      USA -
      SLS ready, test flight next year. Yes, the rocket is very expensive, but at least it is.
      Super Heavy from Musk, prototype being assembled.
      Russia -
      Yenisei, is present only in the form of models at exhibitions and "promises to promise" from Rogozin.

      You again for your own - well, we do not believe in flights to the Moon, we do not believe and that's it! If anyone has forgotten, the United States has actually had super-heavy launch vehicles for a long time that can safely deliver goods and people to the orbit of the moon !!! It was these rockets that launched shuttles into Earth's orbit under the Space Shuttle program and the same Hubble, for example !!! Why design something new if there are already ready-made developments ???

      QC for a flight to the moon:
      USA -
      Orion is ready, test flight with SLS next year.
      Musk's Starship, over 10 prototypes assembled, 15km jump in November. Orbital flight is possible next year.
      Russia -
      Federation-Eagle. And nothing has changed.
      Listen today, the level of computer graphics has grown so much compared to the beginning of the 70s that I personally can fly to the moon even tomorrow without getting up from my computer desk !!! In the victorious reports of Musk, everything is so simple that it looks like a set of fakes - he designs rockets sitting in clubs with girls and sipping cocktails - how cool it is, but not for life, but for American blockbusters !!! In Musk's reports, it is completely unclear where his real victories are, and where are the virtual fake plans, nonsense !!!

      Russia does not join because this whole company with the Mask is very similar to the staged space booth of a world scale - the Chapito circus !!!

      Further, I want to note that the masses of the people just have a very poor idea of ​​the specifics of Lunar flights and the physics of this !!! So, for example, the USSR, when it launched automatic stations to the Moon, he specially made emissions of matter on them so that the station flying to the Moon could be seen from the Earth through a telescope !!!
      Secondly, when the USSR sent lunar rovers to the Moon, we reported the coordinates of the ships flying to the Moon so that British astronomers independently confirmed that the USSR was really flying to the Moon !!!


      The United States has never provided such information, so the whole world just takes their word for it and just thinks that the blurry flashing video on the antediluvian black-and-white TV is really landing on the moon !!!
    2. Selevc
      Selevc 4 November 2020 11: 48
      -3
      I also want to say that they often say that the USSR could not allow us and the rest of the world to be deceived with flights to the moon.
      COULD ACCEPT !!! I could because between the USA and the USSR there were international agreements on outer space between the USA and Russia !!! And under these agreements, both sides do not question each other's achievements and do not investigate in this area.

      And Leonov is lying when he says that he was present at the launch - he, together with a small group of representatives of the USSR, saw the Apollo start on the same black-and-white TV and was one of the few in the country who was allowed to broadcast !!! Leonov, like other Soviet cosmonauts, are lying about the Apollo program because if the truth is revealed, then all Soviet cosmonautics and science of that era will unanimously present themselves as suckers whom the Americans have easily twisted around their fingers !!!
      I also want to note that it's not me who needs to prove to everyone that Lunar flights are mysticism - this is Mask and his company needs to be proved to the whole planet and skeptics, including that his future lunar flights are not American fake number 2 !!!
  9. Selevc
    Selevc 3 November 2020 14: 12
    -2
    Tales about supposedly planning flights to the moon have been going on since the late 80s of the last century !!! Considering that the entire space age is about 60 years old, then 30 years of ranting about flights to the Moon is somehow too much !!!
    At the same time, I want to say that not a single space power conducts serious preparations for flights to the moon - and when serious preparations are underway, that is, the temporary stages of these very preparations !!! Since there are no such time stages, such preparations can be carried on forever !!! With a near-zero result !!!
    Preparation for lunar flights over the past 30 years has not even reached the level of orbital experiments and is reduced only to building prototypes of flying vehicles and experiments on Earth !!! This has already had its opposite effect - in the world in recent decades, the interest of the broad masses of the population in the Moon itself and in lunar flights has seriously dropped !!!

    I also want to say that the entire Lunar Race of the 20th century is very much connected with international politics, the struggle of superpowers in space and the Cold War - therefore, there is still too much political dirt, secrets and lies around this topic !!!
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 3 November 2020 14: 28
      -1
      I also want to say that at this stage of technology development, scientists cannot safely land a person on another celestial body !!! Even on the same moon !!!
      It is very difficult to land an automatic vehicle - for example, in 2016, the European space mission failed on Mars due to the fact that the device crashed while landing on the planet !!!

      Today, no one even flies around the Moon - that is, no space power plans manned flights around the Moon !!! - even without disembarkation !!!
      Which in itself is very strange - since in terms of financial costs it is orders of magnitude cheaper than expeditions with a landing on the surface !!!
      But if we take into account that the Moon is behind the radiation belts of the Earth and is under the strong influence of cosmic radiation, then everything miraculously falls into place at once !!! Nobody sends people to the orbit of the Moon because the crew there will die from radiation !!!
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 3 November 2020 14: 37
        -3
        plus.
        Of all the comments, only 5-6 were relevant, meaningful and interesting. Most fell for revolutionary ideas ... - litter the branch with their freaks bully
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 3 November 2020 19: 46
      +1
      Quote: Selevc
      in recent decades, interest in the Moon itself and in lunar flights has seriously fallen among the broad masses of the population
      To science - in general.
  10. Livonetc
    Livonetc 3 November 2020 14: 12
    +1
    "Just a year ago, in December 2019, it was determined that the mass of the ship was too heavy to fly."
    I'm not sure how for rockets, but for satellites this is normal practice.
    First, a draft is developed, then a full-scale model is built, in full accordance with the smallest details.
    If it does not meet the declared parameters, they destroy it, revise the project, stand again, and so on, until the calculated parameters are reached.
  11. Alien From
    Alien From 3 November 2020 14: 14
    +4
    Watching and listening to Rogozin is not comme il faut at all!
  12. Dimy4
    Dimy4 3 November 2020 14: 19
    +2
    in the future, the ship may be able to fly not only to the moon, but also to Mars.

    Plant apple trees!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 November 2020 17: 23
      +7
      I am afraid that Musk's office in cooperation with other foreign companies will plant apple trees at our pace on Mars.
  13. Thrifty
    Thrifty 3 November 2020 14: 25
    +7
    Rogozin, bare, or rather, announce the plans for the flight of our cosmonauts to Jupiter - I really want to laugh wassat
    1. Disant
      Disant 3 November 2020 21: 58
      +1
      the transport energy module - TEM will go to Jupiter, through the Moon and Venus. Loaded with satellites and robots. The work has been in progress since 2005. start - 2030.
      review
      https://topwar.ru/175405-v-ozhidanii-revoljucii-ot-tjem-k-nuklonu.html
    2. Disant
      Disant 3 November 2020 22: 09
      0
      Manned missions - except for short-term (to the Moon, for example) - are impossible (deadly) at the present stage of development of science and technology - in recent years, new data on the impact space radiation to people outside the protective magnetic field of the Earth. You can skip between periods of solar activity, but cosmic radiation cannot be avoided.
      The leading space powers continue to roll by inertia in their plans and deeds, but this is not for long.
      Rogozin voices what he should voice - space is primarily a military sphere and partners can and should want to fly anywhere - they should spend resources and time
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 4 November 2020 12: 40
        -2
        Manned missions, except for short-term ones (to the Moon, for example), are impossible (deadly) at the present stage of development of science and technology - in recent years, new data have been obtained on the effect of cosmic radiation on people outside the protective magnetic field of the Earth.
        Soviet scientists stated this back in 1967 !!! And only the United States somehow mysteriously flew to the moon !!!
        As for the Moon and flights to it, continuous darkness and questions - Why were there only 7 expeditions ??? Why was the study of the moon stopped ??? Why now even China (1st economy in the world) sent only moon rovers to the moon ??? !!!

        As for the fact that flights to the moon are unusually expensive, this is an old fake - for a long time already there have been launches of automatic stations to Jupiter and Pluto - is it cheap ??? So it's cheap to fly there, but it's expensive to fly around the Moon for astronauts ??? I do not know for whom this lie at the level of kindergarten is designed ???
        1. Disant
          Disant 4 November 2020 14: 53
          +1
          Selevc, mind you, I did not say a word about the high cost - although even this factor is quite enough. Behind the eyes a hundred times ahead. No one will throw money into the void.
          .
          And only the United States somehow mysteriously flew to the moon !!!

          I have never denied the flight of the Americans to the moon, I have not written about the mystery. I repeat - to fly back and forth to the moon - that's all that could and now can humanity.... There will be no bases inhabited on the surface of the Moon in the next fifty years for sure - everything will turn into a tube for everyone - empty chores - this is the card that fell to all romantics from space. On the moon, you have to dig down to survive. To hang out in the orbit of the Moon, you need disposable astronauts, since the protective magnetic field of the Moon does not exist.
          Soviet scientists stated this back in 1967 !!!

          I am writing to you about new data obtained by the biomedical center of the Institute for Space Research.
          They are also developing protective drugs so that chromosomes are not damaged, but it seems to me that this is all like a dead poultice.
  14. WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 3 November 2020 14: 32
    +9
    Before you master something somewhere, you need to answer the main question: "Why?".
    The Americans, for example, did not consider it necessary to explore the Moon, although their flights to our satellite were primarily of a propaganda nature - there was a competition between the two systems, but nevertheless, the West did not see a prospect in the development of the Moon.
    The USSR also refused from the exploration of the Moon, especially after the defeat in the lunar race, but quite skillfully "moved off" the topic, saying that automatic research stations are simpler, cheaper and many times more reliable than manned flights. By the way, the Soviet Union did not disagree with its deeds - a little more than a lot of automatic stations were developed and launched.
    What do we have now? The Russian Federation practically does not launch scientific automatic stations - we mainly work as cabbies, as well as manufacture and launch satellites for various purposes into low-earth orbit: communications, reconnaissance, meteorology, a little science and ... reconnaissance again. That is, the successes in the field of space, we, frankly, are very modest and then suddenly - the Moon .... As one of the authors of VO writes: "Behind the scenes you can hear the increasing squeal of a saw."
    I don't believe in miracles, especially in technology. I do not believe that a country that has lost most of the USSR's backlog in terms of space, namely: its own orbital station, regular and effective flights of automated scientific vehicles, promising systems for launching objects into low-earth orbit and much more, suddenly rr-times and To the moon! This does not happen, because all of the above is done by people, and these, unfortunately, have two big disadvantages: first, they are mortal, that is, those teams that successfully worked back in the USSR have safely died out, taking with them all the experience they have gained with them to the best of the worlds , and, secondly, in order for scientific and technical teams throughout the country to work successfully, they must very clearly understand: "Why ?!", they must see the benefits of their work, they must be proud of them - that is, we are back to the first sentence of my post.
    The question "Why?" - cornerstone and main. For China, the answer to this question is simple and straightforward - status. And for us? I would understand if the Russian Federation at the moment were the leading, without fools, a space power and the Moon for us would be an advanced base for further exploration of deep space - flights to other planets of the solar system, mining, building global stationary systems for studying distant space and the development of programs for the development of other planets. That is, an important, but intermediate base for the progressive conquest of outer space.
    And as of today, the statements about the flight to the moon are the same if the unforgettable Adam Kozlevich, while driving his "Wildebeest", said that he was assembling a "Ferrari" in the garage and is about to go tomorrow with a breeze, and if not tomorrow, then in a month for sure, just give me money, and
    Now to the personalities. Well, only the lazy one did not speak about Rogozin - he made a doctor of technical sciences, like a tie from a solar prominence. His deputy, Urlichich Yu.M., looks much more adequate - at least he has a technical education, but firstly, non-core, and secondly, judging by the brief information, he is a specialist in communications and navigation - that is, not a "hardware engineer ", not a" survivalist "and not a" dvigatelist ". This is the same as putting a programmer in charge of a foundry with a known result. The only specialist mentioned in the article is Mr. Hamitz. He has both education and experience - you want to not pick on.
    What do we have? Of the three leaders, two are out of business.
    Now remember the composition of the leadership of the USSR space program during the Korolev era.
    The answer is obvious, I guess.
    I think so.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 3 November 2020 14: 40
      0
      Plus. opinion is adequate.
    2. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 3 November 2020 16: 30
      +2
      It is a pity that I can put only one plus, and not 100. But this:
      Adam Kozlevich, while driving his "Wildebeest", said that he was assembling "Ferrari" in the garage and was about to go with a breeze tomorrow, and if not tomorrow, then in a month for sure, just give me money
      just a masterpiece hi
    3. Selevc
      Selevc 4 November 2020 12: 57
      -1
      Before you master something somewhere, you need to answer the main question: "Why?".
      And what do you often master space satellites ??? Or is it better to ask differently how often mankind develops space satellites ??? And if it is - humanity is doing it for the first time, why did it stop at the very beginning of the path ???
      In a lengthy message, you have listed almost all lunar inventions and fakes designed to hang noodles on the ears of ordinary people !!!
      The USSR also refused to explore the Moon, especially after the defeat in the lunar race, but rather skillfully "moved off" the topic, saying that automatic research stations are simpler, cheaper and many times more reliable than manned flights.
      The USSR did not move out technically, but refused to send a person to the Moon due to our lack of protection from cosmic radiation !!! What Soviet scientists talked about back in 1967 !!!
      The union probably thought that the United States has some mysterious super-technologies in this area - by the way, time has shown that the United States has nothing of the kind !!! And they themselves, in their scientific films about flights to other planets, talk about the need to develop systems of protection against cosmic rays !!! Why would the United States develop such a thing if they should have already developed it for a long time ??? !!! ))) Here is their level of lies on these topics - this is the level of a student who comes up with where he does his diary !!!

      Further - did the United States lie earlier on the topic of space exploration, except for the Apollo project ??? Yeah !!! They lied like that !!!
      - the whole Star Wars project is a fake lie !!! The laser beam cannot destroy ballistic warheads in Earth orbit !!! Then in the 90s, even the Americans themselves realized that they were lying too much in this area and imperceptibly replaced in the media stories about a laser beam shooting down missiles with stories about small nuclear explosions in orbit along the path of missiles !!!

      Further, you can ask yourself - should the US have deceived the whole world in the case of flights to the moon ??? !!! It was necessary how! Because not only were they lagging behind the USSR in everything related to space exploration, so also Kennedy (a man clearly far from science and especially from space) was clearly stupid by stating that the United States would be on the moon until the end of the decade. But the words were spoken by no one else but the head of a great country - so like it or not, the Americans had to do something !!!
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 4 November 2020 13: 42
        -1
        In the end, I want to say that if we proceed from the fact that America lied about its space achievements in the 70s - and after all, there was no strict scientific proof of their presence on the moon !!! If they lied to us in the 80s about Star Wars - about the impossibility of destroying a warhead and a swarm of false targets with a laser beam, I think it is unnecessary to speak in detail !!! How can America lie to everyone now that it's 2020 and the technologies of lying have become orders of magnitude more perfect ???

        So the flight of the next NASA mission to the moon can be recognized as true if the coordinates of the expedition flying to the moon are reported and independent observation sources can confirm this flight !!! And if the United States once again refers to secrecy or some other crap like the films of the Lunar missions burned in a fire, then this will be proof of their fake flights !!!
        1. WayKheThuo
          WayKheThuo 4 November 2020 18: 06
          +1
          Whether the Americans were on the moon or not - I don't know, I didn't stand with a candle.
          But I know one very simple thing - what two know, the pig knows. That is, if the US flights to the moon were a complete lie - it wouldn’t even be sewn in a sack, it’s a hefty ax in a transparent plastic bag. I am ready to agree that the Americans, somewhere, have made some pictures for the sake of beauty, but I think that the United States did fly to the moon more than once.
          By the way, the topic you raised is not related to the topic of the article, and I am not going to participate in the Special Olympics to discuss the issue "were / were not." If you really want to read on this topic, please come here: https://lurkmore.to/ Lunar Conspiracy

          Personally, I am not interested in the history of the issue, I am interested in reality and the future, because any statements like: "We are flying to the moon in such and such a year" affects the welfare of my country exclusively and only in a negative sense.
          As the saying goes: "Stretch your legs under your clothes" - as long as there is any in my country, I emphasize it in red, any grandmother with a goat living alone in a God-forsaken village will not be provided with gas, electricity, running water and an emergency communication system until the first call on the highway, smooth as glass or through the air, in 15 minutes the ambulance will not arrive, it is too early for us to think about the Moon.
          I think so.
  15. ximkim
    ximkim 3 November 2020 14: 49
    +1
    Hmm. From the beginning we wanted in 2030, then decided in 2040. The statements about the flight to the Moon speak of our attitude to the program. There is no date for the landing of a man on the Moon.
  16. Sergey Matveev
    Sergey Matveev 3 November 2020 15: 04
    10
    When Russian cosmonauts land on the moon: plans and reality of the lunar program of the Russian Federation

    If Rogozin is not removed from office, then in the next decade we will definitely not land on the moon.
    1. Nemo1976
      Nemo1976 4 November 2020 02: 02
      13
      Quote: Sergey Matveev
      in the next decade we will definitely not land on the moon.

      ha, decade. after Rogozin's control in the next 20-30 years we will definitely not fly. and you mean the next 10 years.
  17. Alex66
    Alex66 3 November 2020 15: 14
    +4
    Without a change in personnel policy and the introduction of personal responsibility of managers, we will soon stop flying even into orbit.
  18. parusnik
    parusnik 3 November 2020 15: 32
    +5
    It's strange, being a kid in the year 79-80, and having listened to the children's educational program that in the 90th we will fly to Mars and perform archaeological drilling, I believed that. I do not believe that we will fly to the moon and very soon.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 3 November 2020 15: 53
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      It's strange, being a kid in the year 79-80, and having listened to the children's educational program that in the 90th we will fly to Mars and perform archaeological drilling, I believed that. I do not believe that we will fly to the moon and very soon.

      Surprisingly ... but the authorities in the USSR did not deceive. If plans were designated, then, as a rule, they were carried out. That's why there was faith. The propaganda of the USSR always said that capitalism is evil .. and again they did not deceive .. Perhaps they embellished something and smoothed the corners, but the essence was always true, unlike today's realities ..
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 3 November 2020 16: 19
        +4
        Soviet propaganda has always said that capitalism is evil ..
        And many did not believe .. I have a classmate, only now began to see clearly, we argued about it from school, then our paths parted, but we met after ... tsat years. Still doubts .. but there are gaps.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 3 November 2020 16: 38
          +2
          Alexey hi ,
          but how not to believe in what you see with your own eyes? Everything was created and built, therefore there was no need for zombies and "spiritual braces", unlike today.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 4 November 2020 13: 12
            +1
            ...... you see with your own eyes .....
            hi some stubbornly refuse to notice this, Alexey, but there are numbers from which there is no escape.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 4 November 2020 13: 29
              +3
              Dmitriy hi,
              rams live in their own world of illusions. From them, except for wool and meat, there is nothing to take.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 4 November 2020 13: 39
                +2
                ... in your little world ...
                The destruction of the USSR is a disaster. To be a witness to a catastrophe is inside it, to understand correctly --- not everyone can do it. And now many do not want to this topic, it is hard for them
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 4 November 2020 14: 05
                  +3
                  The "shop" is closing. You won't be able to hide "in the house". This must be understood
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 4 November 2020 13: 07
          +1
          ..... just now began to see clearly .....
          probably not only he alone, Alexey hi Someone talks about this, but someone is ashamed that they believed then that the market would lead to general prosperity. Are silent
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 4 November 2020 13: 37
            +4
            Only the clever can admit to himself that he is stupid.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 4 November 2020 13: 50
              +1
              ...... only smart .......
              here, probably, other qualities are needed ... different ... We must talk about it. I want to know more about that time. Soviet people should not be portrayed as half-witted. Right now, after 30 years, many details of the past, how what was prepared, are being clarified. There are many stories on this topic on the net.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 4 November 2020 14: 11
                +3
                You can look at the comments to yesterday's article about the "hero of the day Mikhalkov", where the sick in the head defend Judas, who just presented the Soviet people as idiots, in order to be convinced of how the ranks of sane people have thinned out now.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 4 November 2020 14: 29
                  +1
                  I’ll read it in the evening, you probably need some more videos? Distracting now
      2. Igor Semenov
        Igor Semenov 3 November 2020 16: 25
        +4
        Lies for the present, it's a way of life, it's like breathing. No one really compares to them
      3. Selevc
        Selevc 4 November 2020 13: 51
        -1
        Surprisingly..but the authorities did not deceive in the USSR.
        It depends on what authorities - under Stalin and Brezhnev they did not deceive, perhaps they embellished a lot but did not lie openly. And under Gorbachev they were already cheating at full speed !!! It was us - you and I, ordinary Soviet people thought that Star Wars was serious - and really America overtook us in the Cold War !! But MS Gorbachev knew that Star Wars was a fake - but instead of directly telling this to the Soviet people, he quietly betrayed us and went over to the side of the enemy and joined in the intimidation !!!

        How can you not understand that in the late USSR, all this socialist justice and the responsibility of the authorities were bored to death by these Bears, Borks and Raiks !!! And as soon as the union began to collapse, they rushed in a crowd into Wild Capitalism !!!
  19. Igor Semenov
    Igor Semenov 3 November 2020 16: 23
    +9
    If I had heard these words from Sergei Pavlovich Korolev (peace be upon him!), I would not have doubted at all. Having heard them from amateur balabol Ragozin, I am sure that none of this will happen
  20. fa2998
    fa2998 3 November 2020 16: 24
    +4
    Quote: rocket757
    great figures, organizers, responsible people

    I think in 2040 the current "leaders" will live in Miami (or similar), and write memoirs, reaping the sawn money. hi
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 November 2020 17: 36
      0
      They will not live in Miami since the sanctions will remain - they will live in Dubai and Monaco and closer to their accumulated offshore companies.
  21. Maks1995
    Maks1995 3 November 2020 16: 31
    +2
    Ha. Everyone has already forgotten that reaching the lunar surface was originally promised in 15 years.

    Maybe stop writing about promises? Already tired.

    Judging by the face of Putin, when he talks about space, he understands everything perfectly and knows about the cheating ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 November 2020 17: 40
      +1
      Until 2035, Russia itself does not organize a manned flight to the Moon - a vivid example of the Angara and the Science module, which Roskosmos has been fiddling with and shifting for 20 years now - and there's a little more sense from this than nichrome.
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 3 November 2020 19: 03
      -2
      God bless him with promises. Why do pi-ndo-si never fly to the moon. laughing It seems that there is no experience. Or is it still not ?! laughing
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 4 November 2020 01: 08
        0
        The Artemis program flight is scheduled for 2024 and the creation of the Lunar Orbital Station - you slept through the trip.
  22. 1536
    1536 3 November 2020 16: 41
    +1
    It is said that people like S.P. Korolev, are born in Russia once every 100 years. Here is the answer. Sergey Pavlovich Korolev was born in 1907. So, you see, by the 2060s in Russia something will come out with the exploration of the Moon. But for some reason the Russian poet Nekrasov came to mind in this connection: "It's a pity to live in this wonderful time ..." etc.
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 3 November 2020 22: 24
      +1
      Quote: 1536
      people like S.P. Korolev, are born in Russia once every 100 years. Here is the answer. Sergey Pavlovich Korolev was born in 1907. So, you see, by the 2060s in Russia something will come out with the exploration of the Moon.

      Yes, in fact, it was the Russian Empire that was still .. Well, these three countries have passed since then ... Ups and downs and all for 100 years.
      And the territory where Korolev were born and the same Glushko, for example, has long been gone in Russia.
  23. Kushka
    Kushka 3 November 2020 17: 48
    +1
    Quote: Max1995

    Maybe stop writing about promises? Already tired.

    Well, you are wrong. After all, it is obvious that the moon is already many. Well
    or ON ANOTHER PLANET. Well, those that are about 17 sput. say
    and decided with the pension. One thing pleases - they feel good there.
    Unlike us, on Earth, sinners.
  24. Prisoner
    Prisoner 3 November 2020 19: 00
    0
    They need to hide Mosfilm, Hollywood will help them!
  25. fa2998
    fa2998 3 November 2020 19: 22
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    They won't live in Miami as the sanctions will remain

    The sanctions apply to the current leaders of some organizations. But they will come to Miami with WEALTHY PENSIONERS, spend "their" savings. Any country loves all the rich people.
  26. bandabas
    bandabas 3 November 2020 19: 51
    +1
    That's who it is, and Rogozin is high time to land on the moon. Irrevocably. And add the same "figures" from the "hydrant" team to the crew. Let them fly.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 3 November 2020 20: 56
      +2
      Why don't the "pioneers" get to the moon in any way? laughing
  27. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 3 November 2020 19: 55
    +2
    Isn't it funny?
    Everyone, have profited the moon.

    I remember that they promised to land in 2015, 17, 20-21, 25, and now the people will die, and no one will remember ...
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 3 November 2020 21: 02
      +1
      It's all baida! Why won't the pi-ndo-ss with their finances and "experience" rush to the moon in any way? laughing This is the question. Ps: Cons go to pluses. laughing laughing laughing
      1. Aleks2000
        Aleks2000 3 November 2020 21: 46
        +1
        Isn't it funny?
        A little bit of a jamb with promises, so immediately nod at the pi-ndo-ows, at the Saxons, at ukrov. It comes to Malaysia ...

        We don't need other people's promises. We should shoot for ours ...
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 3 November 2020 22: 15
          +2
          No, not funny! You shoot yours, we will not surrender ours! Ferstein, andetent? In short, go .... far, far. hi
          1. Aleks2000
            Aleks2000 4 November 2020 18: 53
            0
            Correctly. And you Chubaisov and K do not hand over.
            Like, listen to the next promises, and the Chubais, Serdyukovs, Sobchaks, Rogozins and others are inviolable ...
      2. Nemo1976
        Nemo1976 4 November 2020 02: 01
        14
        Quote: Captive
        Why won't the pi-ndo-ss with their finances and "experience" rush to the moon in any way?

        Hollywood is no longer interested in this project. bully
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 5 November 2020 12: 03
          +1
          Quote: Nemo1976
          Hollywood is no longer interested in this project
          The moon is now too close, another thing is Mars, where, despising monstrous sandstorms, problems with signal delay in control, rovers have been working for years. True, sometimes life is found in NASA's Martian images, under an inquisitive gaze, now a lemming in the frame, now a human shadow ...
  28. srha
    srha 4 November 2020 01: 02
    +1
    1957 - Sputnik, 1960 - Belka with Strelka, 1961 - Vostok, 1964 - Voskhod, 1967 - Union, 1971 - Fireworks, etc.
    In general, while Roskosmos has projects over 3 years old and is not tied to designers, they will not get to the moon. And the key problem is labor productivity. Compare the headcount (VIKI) of the Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center (43000 workers, Proton rocket, 5 launches 2019, Angara family) and SpaceX (8000 workers, Falcon rocket family 13 launches 2019). And also compare the time and novelty of development.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 November 2020 01: 10
      +1
      Because, unlike the private office of Musk, our corporation is very healthy and therefore we are slow to slow down.
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 4 November 2020 05: 41
      -1
      Well, Musk has 8 tons of workers and the comprehensive support of NASA and the state, respectively, it is more like naya and PR similar. Yes, something flew there, but sell the UNION to someone and help with the start and Vasya will take off.
  29. Nemo1976
    Nemo1976 4 November 2020 02: 00
    13
    When Russian cosmonauts will land on the moon

    based on Rogozin's affairs at Roskosmos - not very soon.
  30. Outsider
    Outsider 4 November 2020 03: 35
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: rocket757
    Whom to believe? That is the question.

    Yes, there is no one to believe .. All that we believed in remained in the past .. And my opinion is that without a return to the ideology of socialism, state planning, responsibility .. nothing good awaits us.

    - And Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev as General Secretary ... What, Khrushchev doesn't like ?? Then Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev? No? Clear! Gorbachev Mikhail Sergeevich! Hurray, comrades! To new yawning heights!
    You'd better put the new Tsar Nikolashka on the kingdom ...
  31. Iskazi
    Iskazi 4 November 2020 05: 07
    0
    you can say anything you want, write too ... but actually flying to the moon is more than doubtful
  32. evgen1221
    evgen1221 4 November 2020 05: 37
    0
    Or maybe Rogozin and to say where on the moon the diamonds lie, they will start abruptly, however.)))
  33. Charik
    Charik 4 November 2020 14: 45
    0
    When the Rogoz stops eating in your head, well, or when the cancer on the mountain svitnet is about when the Chinese Easter
  34. Misha Smirnov_2
    Misha Smirnov_2 4 November 2020 15: 07
    -1
    Correct answer: within 2-3 years, in case of correct decisions.
    Namely in the case of the introduction of private military astronautics.

    In the case of state assholes who have been building a bridge for 5 years, the answer is: they will land on the moon in 30 years ... The country and people will not get anything from this.
  35. Muddy Seeing ORACLE
    Muddy Seeing ORACLE 8 November 2020 15: 39
    0
    Oh, the wrong people have gone today, no one will sit on the pot without attendants, but there were times when people fought for an idea and reached incredible heights ... fellow