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Interest in the Russian Arctic has increased: what's next

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I have previously written about the Russian military grouping in the Arctic. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is successfully implementing plans to ensure the security of the northern regions of Russia, the Northern Sea Route and the northern borders of the Russian Federation. The presence in Russia of units and subunits that are truly combat-ready in the Arctic conditions helps to resolve many issues (for example, the question of using Spitsbergen) through diplomatic means.


The Global West is well aware of the difference in the military capabilities of Russia and NATO (USA) in the northern latitudes. And after we tested the air defense and missile defense systems modernized specifically for the northern version, the military pressure on Russia in these latitudes ceased. So has the West really recognized Russia's right to these territories? Western governments no longer want to jointly control and use the Northern Sea Route? Or has the business of Western countries ceased to be interested in the natural resources of this region?

Why for Western countries the question of the Arctic zone of Russia remains relevant


To understand the reasons for the continuing interest of Western countries in the northern regions of Russia, I will retell one history, variants of which can be found today in the oral tradition of many northern peoples.

Once upon a time, a giant hunter lived on Earth. And this giant was lucky, just and so kind that people, wild animals and gods loved him. He helped everyone in difficult times and never took for himself more than was necessary for food and life.

But the time has come for the hunter to go into the spirit world. He lay down on his native land and died. And he was so big that his head ended up in Alaska, his body in Siberia, and his legs in Central Asia. And the gods decided to perpetuate the good memory of this great hunter. So they turned his body into treasures: gold, silver, precious stones, oil, gas and so on. So that people, finding a gold nugget or precious stone, remember it with warmth.

This simple story of the emergence of mineral deposits in Siberia, the Far East and Alaska is still passed by word of mouth by northern storytellers to this day. It seems like a fairy tale, but modern geological science personally demonstrates that not everything in a fairy tale is fiction. In fact, Siberia and the Arctic today are literally packed with minerals and no worse than any treasure. A real pantry of minerals!

For quite a long time, these riches were inaccessible to the West. Technologies did not allow industrial extraction of minerals, and the harsh climate limited the stay of people in the North. The USSR changed the idea of ​​human capabilities. It was in the Soviet Union, even in such harsh latitudes, that industrial enterprises began to work. But the collapse of the USSR stopped many of them.

Today Russia is successfully reviving or building such enterprises in the Arctic. The example of liquefied gas plants has stunned the West. True, it is very difficult for Western countries to recognize the technical superiority of Russian science and industry in matters of creating Arctic technology. Therefore, the popular today "theory of global warming" appeared. It turns out that "the climate has become milder" and it has become easier to live in conditions of permafrost or cold. Consequently, it has become easier to extract minerals where it was previously impossible.

Thus, the task of the Western countries today, by hook or by crook, in any way, not even excluding military intervention, is to gain access to the riches of the Arctic, access to the Northern Sea Route. This is a lot of money in the near future. And Karl Marx's thesis about a profit of 300 percent, which is a tolerance for any (even the most savage) actions of capital, has not been canceled.

Are Russians preparing for a war in the Arctic?


For most readers, the subheading looks somewhat unexpected. What kind of war in the Arctic are we talking about? In the Arctic, in the ice of the Arctic Ocean, collisions are theoretically possible. But the Arctic belongs to Russia. What kind of nonsense have they invented at NATO headquarters? Alas, but conversations (which means there are plans for such operations) are really being conducted in the Western headquarters.

What are such conclusions of Western military analysts based on? Nothing just happens. The US and NATO military budgets are truly huge. Additional funds will not be given just like that. Justification is needed. An explanation is needed for senators and congressmen. And not just an explanation, but understandable precisely for Western business.

Such a document, allegedly showing the impending aggression of Russia, was the Decree of the President of Russia No. 164 of March 5, 2020 "On the foundations of the state policy of the Russian Federation in the Arctic for the period until 2035". For most of those who are interested in the state of affairs in the Arctic, this is a completely "civil" decree, which defines the goals and objectives for the next 15 years.

For those who are not familiar with this document, I will present the essence in a thesis. No decoding or explanation. And there is no need for this.

“The main directions of the implementation of the state policy of the Russian Federation in the Arctic are: social and economic development, as well as the development of its infrastructure, the development of science and technology in the interests of the development of the Arctic, environmental protection and environmental safety, the development of international cooperation, the protection of the population and territories of the Arctic zones of the Russian Federation against natural and man-made emergencies, ensuring public safety in the Arctic zone of the Russian Federation, ensuring military security of the Russian Federation, protecting and protecting the state border of the Russian Federation.

This is followed by the setting of specific tasks for ministries and departments. This includes the formation of icebreaker, rescue and auxiliary fleets in the Arctic. This is the creation of a control system for ensuring safe navigation and traffic management. This includes navigation, hydrometeorological and hydrographic support of navigation. This is the creation of a system for preventing and eliminating the consequences of an oil spill. Construction of modern ports and expanding the possibilities for the delivery of goods along the rivers.

Everything would be good for the West. Indeed, in the future there is an opportunity to create an icebreaker fleet at least equal to the Russian one. But the President of Russia has supplemented the decree with several points that reduce the confrontation between the fleets to zero. This is the already mentioned possibility of river navigation. This is an expansion of the network of airports and landing sites. It is a public road network.

But the most unpleasant thing for the West is that Putin demanded to improve the information and communication system, which would allow not to use Western technologies for communication, for monitoring the Arctic by means of space forces. In addition, an autonomous power supply system for Arctic cities and towns will be created.

Can this program for the development of the Russian North be called a preparation for war? Probably, having a somewhat perverted understanding of the world, you can. Just like the construction of roads or some kind of enterprise. Everything that the state does, one of its goals really has to strengthen the country's defense capability. But in this case, you need to have a very sick brain in order to consider the strategy for the development of the inner region of Russia as preparation for war.

What's in the future


At first glance, Russia should make every effort to prevent Western companies from entering the Russian Arctic. To close and develop the northern regions on their own. But this is not the case.

Putin has repeatedly stated the need to "work together" with Western partners. This is due not only to the possibility of attracting Western investments to the implementation of some projects, but also by the fact that in many respects the program for the development of the Arctic Circle is a commercial project. For example, according to official data, today the Northern Sea Route provides a traffic volume of 31,5 million tons. After the implementation of the program for the development of the North, their volume should increase by 4-5 times. The officially planned number is 130 million tons!

The situation is exactly the same with the sale of hydrocarbons. Ultimately, all our efforts to create transport corridors to Europe and Asia, the construction of liquefaction plants are just ways to increase trade, increase the profit of the extractive industry.

Hence a simple and clear task for our diplomacy and our business follows. Cooperation should be carried out on terms favorable to us. International treaties and agreements should be drafted in such a way as to exclude situations such as the construction of Nord Stream 2. There should be an understanding that not only the seller wants to sell the product, but also the buyer wants to buy it!

Western companies are well aware of the prospects that are opening up in connection with the development of the northern regions of Russia. But they are also well aware of the fact that the only way to somehow enter into economic projects in the Arctic is to invest in Russian projects. Equity participation, if you like.

This means that our task today is to use the desire to make money for our own purposes. Make friends and cooperate on our terms! All the more so today, when, amid the instability of the global economy, investors are looking for opportunities not only to make a profit, but also simply not to lose money ...
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  1. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 4 November 2020 15: 22
    -20 qualifying.
    "... ensuring public safety in the Arctic zone of the Russian Federation ..." - at this point I laughed heartily, because this is pure demagogy - "public security" in a region with a near-zero population, it is really powerful.

    Historically, our country behaved like a dog in the hay - raking in a bunch of unsuitable territories "which seem to be profitable" and then killing themselves on the topic of ensuring their safety and questions of who will work there, in what conditions to live and what to eat. And all these stories about the abundant Arctic are from this series. They'll get a hold of them. What's next ? Who will work there? Will it be profitable to mine anything there, with technology development and polar costs - relative to fluctuating world resource prices? How much will it cost us to defend this direction - how effective will it be in these conditions, will we not need to duplicate it on the continental part from this direction?
    Who will protect these areas, to put it mildly, not a better life, given our dilapidated demontential and the need for the same workers and heads to build up the economy?

    In general, so far, all these are just another stupid games in Hyperborea.
    1. matross
      matross 4 November 2020 15: 54
      +5
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Who will protect these areas, to put it mildly, not a better life, given our dilapidated demontential and the need for the same workers and heads to build up the economy?

      In general, so far, all these are just another stupid games in Hyperborea.

      AND? Give it to the International Antarctic Status Office?
      PS Did you participate in the dilapidation of the demotion potential?
      1. Machito
        Machito 4 November 2020 16: 07
        10
        We are a northern people, accustomed to frost. The Arctic is ours by definition. There is a lot of space in our Arctic, more than enough for the funeral of all sworn partners.
        1. Deck
          Deck 5 November 2020 21: 52
          +1
          We are a northern people, accustomed to frost. The Arctic is ours by definition.


          Apparently, you live in Tiksi. Or would you like to get used to frost in the European part?
          1. Machito
            Machito 6 November 2020 04: 00
            -2
            Quote: Deck
            We are a northern people, accustomed to frost. The Arctic is ours by definition.


            Apparently, you live in Tiksi. Or would you like to get used to frost in the European part?

            It’s not bad in Moscow either. And from September to May, we live in the clouds like hedgehogs in a fog, if you look from American reconnaissance satellites, then we are in the fog for six months.
            1. Deck
              Deck 6 November 2020 10: 25
              +4
              Almost polar wolves. All my life in the Arctic laughing
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 November 2020 16: 09
        +4
        Quote: matRoss
        Give it to the International Antarctic Status Office?

        That's for sure, we already gave it up. This can only be said by an adversary of Russia.
        1. Knell wardenheart
          Knell wardenheart 4 November 2020 18: 34
          -9
          It's not about giving / not giving - it's about the fact that all this Arctic aspiration with our current resources and problems risks becoming just another expenditure item and a big, empty cold suitcase in our big, empty and cold apartment.
          None of the dashing patriots here have answered any of the questions I have outlined - and yet it would be worth it, because funds for development will flow from the state. budget (as well as for other super-mega projects) and pulling defense resources into that steppe, and these resources are now very small in our country ..
      3. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 4 November 2020 18: 29
        -8
        ... And before getting in and settling there, it is worth calculating the questions of how much it will cost us in principle and annually, do we have intelligible projects in this direction or is it a purely abstraction, are these projects capable of recouping the Arctic in principle and annually in terms of the entire volume of costs ...

        This is a very good skill - before you meddle in regions with the letter A - always start with sober calculations.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 November 2020 19: 10
          +6
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          This is a very good skill - before you meddle in regions with the letter A - always start with sober calculations.

          The Arctic is already a Russian region, and they are trying to stick into Russia. If we cannot now master the Arctic, then we will leave it to our descendants, and if we give it up, then our descendants will not forgive us, just as we did not forgive the sale of Russian America.
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 4 November 2020 19: 15
            -9
            For the most part, I'm not even talking about the militarization of the AR, but about our further claims on the Lomonosov ridge, etc. The benefits of these acquisitions are rather abstract, but we will raise the noise and dust decently. All this will have to be integrated and defended, I do not see how this will differ from the arms race in terms of cost. Now we have taken on too large an economic burden, and without it - there is no end and edge in the issue of "stable benefits" from the development of complex regions.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 4 November 2020 22: 09
              +1
              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              For the most part, I'm not even talking about the militarization of the AR, but about our further claims on the Lomonosov ridge, etc. The benefits of these acquisitions are quite abstract.

              As NIKOLAI THE FIRST said, "Where the Russian Flag is raised, there will be Russian territory." And we need you to trade in the acquisitions of our Russian ancestors, Mr. Wardenheart.
            2. LifeIsGood
              LifeIsGood 9 November 2020 05: 59
              -1
              And why are these acquisitions "abstract"? In fact, we will simply push the border a little deeper and that's it! If now we control only the 200 mile zone, then we will begin to control the 400 mile zone (the figures are abstract, purely for example). There will be no costs beyond what is currently allocated.

              Who will work there?
              Workers ... ept. Now the people are working on Yamal and in other places and nothing. Rotational method, good salary + "northern" Those who wish are quite there.

              Will it be profitable to extract anything there with technology development and polar costs - relative to fluctuating world prices for resources?
              So respected for this business (profitability) and the transport infrastructure is being created! A well-developed transport infrastructure increases the profitability of mining operations many times, if not orders of magnitude. And now I'm not talking about oil / gas, but about the rest of the periodic table, which is lying there underfoot, but no one is extracting due to the lack of a normal way to take out all this stuff from there (quickly, at minimal cost and in large volumes).

              How much will it cost us to defend this direction - how effective will it be under these conditions, will we not need to duplicate it on the continental part from this direction?
              In general, it is not clear what you want to ask here ... Organization of border protection in the Arctic has long and successfully worked out a task. Here the question is only in strengthening control.

              Who will protect these areas, to put it mildly, not a better life, given our dilapidated demontential and the need for the same workers and heads to build up the economy?
              Those who should guard the borders and peace of the inhabitants of our state, namely our valiant Army and Navy.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 4 November 2020 15: 59
      11
      are you generally normal?) there are already working and mining. of the 8 new liquefied gas plants, 4 will be located right there. Obskiy LNG, Arctic LNG, Arctic LNG-2, Arctic LNG-3. Yamal LNG, worth 27 yards of American money, has been in business for a long time. do you really live in Russia?)
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 November 2020 22: 10
        +1
        Quote: carstorm 11
        are you normal?

        Look at Nick, and you will immediately understand "Hu from Hu".
      2. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 5 November 2020 05: 35
        -5
        Quote: carstorm 11
        are you generally normal?) there are already working and mining. of the 8 new liquefied gas plants, 4 will be located right there. Obskiy LNG, Arctic LNG, Arctic LNG-2, Arctic LNG-3. Yamal LNG, worth 27 yards of American money, has been in business for a long time. do you really live in Russia?)

        And what do you want from these factories, dividends are flowing like a stream, apparently ...... the children at school are fed deliciously ... the rent is the least of all, but nothing !!! tongue tongue
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 5 November 2020 08: 14
          +3
          what does my children and my rent have to do with it? you at least try to understand the conversation to begin with and not get in with the third meaning.
    3. sergo1914
      sergo1914 4 November 2020 16: 14
      +2
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      In general, so far, all these are just another stupid games in Hyperborea.


      IMHO. North is our future. So far, this is just a burst of valuable, but not developed resources. Yes, it’s sad now. But the potential is huge. If there is money, there will be people and infrastructure. Not now. In future. Not so distant.
      1. eklmn
        eklmn 4 November 2020 16: 41
        +3
        "If there is money, there will be people and infrastructure .... In the future."
        Do you believe in reincarnation after life? Or are you going to live for 300-400 years?
        The money will be there when the demand arises. Do you see an increase in the demand for gas / oil?
        Not yet. And nobody sees. You are right about one thing - in the future .. But in the future there will be many electric vehicles, and after 2035 some countries will ban the use of gasoline cars. What then?
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 4 November 2020 17: 09
          +2
          Quote: eklmn
          "If there is money, there will be people and infrastructure .... In the future."
          Do you believe in reincarnation after life? Or are you going to live for 300-400 years?
          The money will be there when the demand arises. Do you see an increase in the demand for gas / oil?
          Not yet. And nobody sees. You are right about one thing - in the future .. But in the future there will be many electric vehicles, and after 2035 some countries will ban the use of gasoline cars. What then?


          The North is not only oil / gas. There's a lot there. Including fishing. With warming, cod and capelin rushed there. That's where the unplowed field is.
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 4 November 2020 18: 47
            -3
            The period of our study of the climate is destroyed, even by human standards. civilization. During the time of Ivan the Terrible there was the so-called "Little Ice Age" - for many years there were very cold summers and abnormally cold winters, it may be that the Arctic warming that we are seeing now and in which we are investing so much is a temporary phenomenon. To build a strategy on such things is generally adventurous ..
          2. GTYCBJYTH2021
            GTYCBJYTH2021 5 November 2020 05: 40
            -1
            Quote: sergo1914
            Quote: eklmn
            "If there is money, there will be people and infrastructure .... In the future."
            Do you believe in reincarnation after life? Or are you going to live for 300-400 years?
            The money will be there when the demand arises. Do you see an increase in the demand for gas / oil?
            Not yet. And nobody sees. You are right about one thing - in the future .. But in the future there will be many electric vehicles, and after 2035 some countries will ban the use of gasoline cars. What then?


            The North is not only oil / gas. There's a lot there. Including fishing. With warming, cod and capelin rushed there. That's where the unplowed field is.

            Huh ..... capelin, cod ..... Here we can't take out Kamchatka salmon from the Far East, it rots and disappears, and you mean capelin ..... Cod fish, to be honest, is dry and not tasty, except perhaps for her cutlets ... hi
            1. sergo1914
              sergo1914 5 November 2020 11: 18
              +1
              Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
              Quote: sergo1914
              Quote: eklmn
              "If there is money, there will be people and infrastructure .... In the future."
              Do you believe in reincarnation after life? Or are you going to live for 300-400 years?
              The money will be there when the demand arises. Do you see an increase in the demand for gas / oil?
              Not yet. And nobody sees. You are right about one thing - in the future .. But in the future there will be many electric vehicles, and after 2035 some countries will ban the use of gasoline cars. What then?


              The North is not only oil / gas. There's a lot there. Including fishing. With warming, cod and capelin rushed there. That's where the unplowed field is.

              Huh ..... capelin, cod ..... Here we can't take out Kamchatka salmon from the Far East, it rots and disappears, and you mean capelin ..... Cod fish, to be honest, is dry and not tasty, except perhaps for her cutlets ... hi


              You do not understand fish. Generally.
              PS Pomor is a cod-eater by birth.
            2. Siberian54
              Siberian54 6 November 2020 13: 09
              +1
              you just don't know how to cook cod ..
              1. Aag
                Aag 6 November 2020 19: 54
                +1
                Quote: Siberian54
                you just don't know how to cook cod ..

                Let me interfere with your discussion ...
                For the sake of objectivity, well, for the reconciliation of the parties, one of the first qualities of a fish (any) is its freshness! Therefore, the cod that you try in the Far East is not the fish that you will taste in the Baltic! Accordingly, salmon, for example in Bryansk, is something different than in Kamchatka ... Etc., etc. ... drinks hi
                1. Siberian54
                  Siberian54 7 November 2020 21: 27
                  0
                  I live in the middle of the country, pink salmon costs about as much as pork, and more valuable varieties are at the price of veal, So herring and pollock are in the diet at a price of half a kilogram angry and pork
                  1. Aag
                    Aag 7 November 2020 21: 57
                    0
                    Quote: Siberian54
                    I live in the middle of the country, pink salmon costs about as much as pork, and more valuable varieties are at the price of veal, So herring and pollock are in the diet at a price of half a kilogram angry and pork

                    Greetings from Irkutsk! (Apparently, nearby) ...
                    In addition to affordability, there is also a factor of self-sufficiency, so to speak. Apparently, I’m willing to shed the blood of warm-blooded people, doesn’t stick around. I don’t have enough time for fishing sometimes. I found a niche, spearfishing. True, this year is more disappointments (there are more and more nets, electric fishing rods, wild people ...) there are fewer fish ...
                    But, this does not change my thesis that fresh fish is fresh fish! Especially caught honestly, with difficulty. hi
          3. Aag
            Aag 6 November 2020 19: 41
            0
            "... With the warming, cod and capelin rushed there. That's where the field is unplowed."
            In this regard, - we would have to plow the old "fields" Yes, apparently, there are not enough "plows", "barns" ... And the neighbors got into the habit of rowing from our "fields", and selling to us. "Apparently, it is more agile and more profitable" to take the harvest to the neighboring "barns" ...
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 4 November 2020 17: 53
          +5
          Quote: eklmn
          The money will be there when the demand arises. Do you see an increase in the demand for gas / oil?
          Not yet. And nobody sees. You are right about one thing - in the future .. But in the future there will be many electric vehicles, and after 2035 some countries will ban the use of gasoline cars. What then?

          Not gasoline alone .... Europe refuses to obtain energy using coal and the atom in favor of gas because alternative "green energy" will not be able to feed the industry. It was the EU's refusal of the aforementioned energy carriers in favor of gas that pushed the United States to an attempt to "raider seize" the European energy market and oust Russia from it. The fact that there is a drop in demand right now is temporary and is due to the slipping of economies in most countries due to a decrease in the purchasing power of the population due to the coronavirus, which will sooner or later be muzzled by removing this product from the population.
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 November 2020 19: 13
          +1
          Quote: eklmn
          The money will be there when the demand arises. Do you see an increase in the demand for gas / oil?

          Oh, and you are the master of squandering the country.
        4. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 November 2020 06: 05
          +5
          Quote: eklmn
          But in the future, there will be many electric cars, and after 2035, some countries will ban the use of gasoline cars. What then?

          Where to get electricity from? Really all the needs of RES will be covered? And what are cars / batteries made of? From recycled plastic bottles? Oil is not only a fuel.
        5. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 6 November 2020 02: 01
          +2
          Quote: eklmn
          But in the future, there will be many electric cars, and after 2035, some countries will ban the use of gasoline cars. What then?

          Electric cars need to be charged, and where to get electricity, green energy does not provide even 20% of consumption, oil and gas are also recycled. Take a look around you, all artificial materials made of oil
          1. Siberian54
            Siberian54 6 November 2020 13: 17
            +1
            Don't you understand? Most of the owners of GAZPROM live and prosper in Europe, more precisely in the EU, the atom is prohibited, coal is prohibited, green energy is no more than 25% of the demand, further damage to nature is not comparable even to the atom, there remains one source - gas, cheap from Iran and the Russian Federation dear from the states, everything else blah, blah, blah.
      2. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 4 November 2020 18: 44
        -6
        Did not notice ? Most of the country in our country exists exactly according to this law "If there is money, there will be people" - and for more than one century. Only this is WHY people do not appear, and neither does money. Probably this is because all smart peoples have always rowed for themselves territories suitable for living, and only we have found our SPECIAL path - to eat endlessly and practically do not equip, waiting for X hour.
        Where is he?) In the glorious Soviet past? Maybe in Putin's flourishing future?
        Here, a number of people painted with all the colors of the rainbow what billions you are already pumping from the Arctic region - so wonderful! Do you notice that the country is RICH throughout the existence of these projects? Personally, I don't notice. The ruble is systematically sagging, the "lighter" oil systematically beats the heavier one in the considerably thinner market. Our demotional potential prefers to stay away from cold regions - what the map of population density in the Russian Federation hints at kakbe.
        The benefits of all this activity are not at all obvious - we have a lot of resource-intensive regions that are in desolation and poverty, well, another one will be added - in which there will be even more "steep" living conditions. Are we sure we will heal?)
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 November 2020 22: 15
          +1
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          Perhaps this is because all smart peoples have always rowed for themselves territories suitable for living.

          Not rowing, but robbed.
        2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 November 2020 06: 07
          +1
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          In our country, most of the country exists exactly according to this law "If there is money, there will be people" - and for more than one century. Only this is WHY people do not appear, and neither does money.

          Since the state still exists, it means that there was money and people. How else could such a concept have survived for hundreds of years?
          1. Aag
            Aag 6 November 2020 19: 59
            0
            Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            In our country, most of the country exists exactly according to this law "If there is money, there will be people" - and for more than one century. Only this is WHY people do not appear, and neither does money.

            Since the state still exists, it means that there was money and people. How else could such a concept have survived for hundreds of years?

            That's not why !!! Another approach was before!
        3. Wolverine
          Wolverine 5 November 2020 12: 07
          +2
          Here, from the relatively comfortable south of the Far East, people migrate in herds to the European part in herds, because in the entire history of Russia, the state was liable to these regions in terms of development as habitats for the population (except perhaps in the USSR they tried), and local uryakryakalka rave about the development of the Arctic and Arctic
        4. Aag
          Aag 6 November 2020 20: 31
          0
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          Did not notice ? Most of the country in our country exists exactly according to this law "If there is money, there will be people" - and for more than one century. Only this is WHY people do not appear, and neither does money. Probably this is because all smart peoples have always rowed for themselves territories suitable for living, and only we have found our SPECIAL path - to eat endlessly and practically do not equip, waiting for X hour.
          Where is he?) In the glorious Soviet past? Maybe in Putin's flourishing future?
          Here, a number of people painted with all the colors of the rainbow what billions you are already pumping from the Arctic region - so wonderful! Do you notice that the country is RICH throughout the existence of these projects? Personally, I don't notice. The ruble is systematically sagging, the "lighter" oil systematically beats the heavier one in the considerably thinner market. Our demotional potential prefers to stay away from cold regions - what the map of population density in the Russian Federation hints at kakbe.
          The benefits of all this activity are not at all obvious - we have a lot of resource-intensive regions that are in desolation and poverty, well, another one will be added - in which there will be even more "steep" living conditions. Are we sure we will heal?)


          And why have you been minus again?
          Well, for what, IMHO, except for: "... all smart peoples always rowed for themselves territories suitable for living, and only we found our SPECIAL path ... But who was the negative?
          Apparently those who are recently starting to develop the subsoil in the Arctic, and not in pursuit of a long ruble, watch, but for permanent residence. Maybe they hope for a northern pension? ... Many relatives, acquaintances, friends served, worked, made money, some , -and now in the Arctic there are ... All one-volume ... burn. Only more. Because. and s / n more ...))
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 6 November 2020 20: 43
            0
            It's just the voice of the "deep people" that answers all of us from these very depths that everything is fine, everything is going well, and we are actually moving towards success now (despite my pathetic reasoning of a corrupt Western hireling am )
            In fact, there is nothing to be surprised at - when there is a mess in the country, then one of the main reasons for this very mess is just that category of people who can be poked endlessly into all this, in stupidity, in idiocy - and they will every time get up like Vanka-Vstanka and speak like a manual "No, everything is fine ... you give a five-year plan in three years! The party knows! I believe in ... (substitute another bronze idol) ...."
            1. Aag
              Aag 7 November 2020 09: 08
              0
              You know, on some issues, wording, I disagree with you, some are ready to discuss, others are "approved" ...
              But the reaction of certain members of the forum is always outraged by the obvious facts that undermine their faith in goodness. It is usually expressed in being ranked as Israel, Ukraine ... Or, latently, in the minus, without argumentation ...
              hi
    4. eklmn
      eklmn 4 November 2020 16: 26
      -2
      Your phrase “... behaved like a dog in the manger - raking in a bunch of unsuitable territories“ which seem to be with profit ”” evokes an anecdote when a Lilliputian runs over the body of a naked woman and, choking with delight, shouts: “Is it all is mine?"
      You are right - no one needs all these natural resources except Russia. The cost of production is high, world prices are low, but “we will not keep up with the price”, we will sell ourselves at a loss in order to “do them badly” ...
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 4 November 2020 18: 50
        -1
        If all this was mastered in the interests of domestic construction and industry — and not sales “over the hill” — I would be the first to climb to throw my hat and applaud while standing. But in fact, this is exactly the case - we are climbing into the area of ​​extremely difficult production with high costs, having behind our backs in our country a lot of more attractive but uncomfortable regions and already colossal borders. This is not a good business plan.
    5. ccsr
      ccsr 4 November 2020 16: 26
      +7
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Historically, our country behaved like a dog in the manger - raking in a bunch of unsuitable territories "which seem to be profitable" and then killing themselves on the topic of ensuring their safety and questions of who will work there, in what conditions to live and what to eat.

      What about Denmark with Greenland and the attempt to buy it out by the United States, as well as Norway's attempts to squeeze us out of Svalbard - are these not examples of Western countries "raking in" themselves? Maybe it's enough to lie and distort our history for the sake of your worldview?
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      In general, so far, all these are just another stupid games in Hyperborea.

      Then why did the West get so enraged after we clearly indicated that we would not allow anyone to access our Arctic riches and the shelf in the first place? Will the "enlightened political scientist" be able to explain intelligibly?
      1. eklmn
        eklmn 4 November 2020 19: 02
        -4
        “Then why did the West get so mad after we clearly indicated that we would not allow anyone to access our Arctic riches and the shelf in the first place?”
        The West did not “get mad”, but demands from Russia a legal substantiation of the shelf boundaries, and without a UN decision, the boundaries of the Russian shelf are unfounded. So Russia is in a hurry to arm its North in case the UN specifies other borders.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 5 November 2020 12: 03
          +1
          Quote: eklmn
          The West has not “got mad”, but demands from Russia a legal substantiation of the shelf boundaries, and without a UN decision, the boundaries of the Russian shelf are unjustified.

          Did you come up with this yourself? Maybe study at least the agreements of 1958, or the refusal of the United States to sign the 1982 Convention in order to understand who and what has the right to legally claim.
          Here's to help you:
          https://eurasialaw.ru/novosti/zakreplenie-granits-kontinentalnogo-shelfa-rossii-v-arktike
      2. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 4 November 2020 19: 04
        -9
        Do you often hear about Denmark as a successful state when they talk about Europe? Maybe you hear about Norway more often? No, of course, people live there well, but the fact that they have scooped up the dumb Arctic lands for themselves - does it radically make their life more satisfying (relative to neighbors)?

        Especially for you, mister "pink youth" I will explain "why the West" got so mad. "Everywhere we come, militarization of the region begins in one form or another - planes, missiles, submarines, etc., etc. We remember about our nuclear weapons a little less often - but no, on the contrary, we are announcing various killer doomsday vandors, and the current episode just sounds like “Now in the Arctic.” And given that our country is often blown into utter game, all states adjacent to the AR are nervously scratching themselves - no one knows what exactly we will shove into the AR, what and how to get it, whether something from the dumb Russian technology that constantly drowns or falls will explode there (before waving its claws and falling into the rage of a patriotic berserker - think about how much this has been over the past 20 years , as it was before. But the region is very sensitive to environmental problems)
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 5 November 2020 12: 07
          +3
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          Do you often hear about Denmark as a successful state when they talk about Europe?

          This has nothing to do with the shelf at all - here we are talking about law, regardless of the status of the country.
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          Everywhere we come, the militarization of the region begins in one form or another -

          Tell these tales to your grandmother, and first compare the number of American bases abroad with the number of Russian bases abroad, and then we'll see who is militarizing continents and countries.

          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          And considering that our country

          Are you sure it's yours? I somehow doubt it, judging by what you write here.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 November 2020 22: 17
        +1
        Quote: ccsr
        Will the "enlightened political scientist" be able to explain intelligibly?

        Yes, he is not a political scientist, but an adherent of the West.
      4. Aag
        Aag 6 November 2020 22: 24
        0
        Quote: ccsr
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        Historically, our country behaved like a dog in the manger - raking in a bunch of unsuitable territories "which seem to be profitable" and then killing themselves on the topic of ensuring their safety and questions of who will work there, in what conditions to live and what to eat.

        What about Denmark with Greenland and the attempt to buy it out by the United States, as well as Norway's attempts to squeeze us out of Svalbard - are these not examples of Western countries "raking in" themselves? Maybe it's enough to lie and distort our history for the sake of your worldview?
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        In general, so far, all these are just another stupid games in Hyperborea.

        Then why did the West get so enraged after we clearly indicated that we would not allow anyone to access our Arctic riches and the shelf in the first place? Will the "enlightened political scientist" be able to explain intelligibly?

        Excuse me, colleague, you have not noticed that in recent years the West does not need an excuse to "get mad" - it will come up with it, -MH-17, Skripali, spawning of cod ...?
        As for Svalbard, I think, first of all, you need to ask the LADY!
        About "our" riches ... Try to understand whose they are now. Wikipedia has been cleaned up, but there are still traces, - well, look, please (!), How aluminum was squeezed from Russia (from, "thanks", Deripaska) together with the hydropower of the Angara region .You are not embarrassed by the option (and not an option at all) that all people will invest (in the Arctic), including the elderly and children, and, in case of success (which is not guaranteed, according to the experience of Gazprom), we will be proud of the new ratings of compatriots in the magazine Forbes?
        As for the defense component in the Arctic ... So I thought about it ... Since the time of cadets, the "routes" of our ground-based ICBMs lie in the subcortex. Some of the adversaries ran there ... It seems like the North is the main line of the missile defense! But how many since those times about ... played? Sorry, for the convenience of passengers, we have introduced new routes! Even if you do not take into account the "tactics", how many nuclear submarines with how many ICBMs graze around the perimeter? I mean that without recreating a tangible (well, or , at least the adequate opposition seen by the enemy on the existing "fronts") should not be thrown into the "front" of the future .... Is it worth digging in the hayloft when the house is on fire?
        Well, I would like to end on a positive note (like a child brought up on good fairy tales). I am pleased with the elections in the USA! Judging by the media coverage, our president is being elected. I am especially glad that we do not care, and the States are split. And maybe for a while, they will not be up to us. There is an opinion that the elected people will have time to do something for the people of their country. If such a desire suddenly appears ... But it may appear, because they may not accept it, and the dash will not be returned .. ...
        Well, and absolutely sane compensation for the entire 2020 would have been the collapse of the dollar predicted by Leontiev for 20 years already! Just think, how many Duma members would immediately become patriots!
        With the collapse of the "world" currency, the world will collapse! Let's look, with curiosity: the village is burning, - the least of all will suffer living in a dugout ... hi
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 7 November 2020 18: 31
          +2
          Quote: AAG
          About "our" wealth ... Try to understand whose they are today.

          I will tell you right away, so that there are no reservations, that I am sure that socialism is the most humane system on the planet, and the current wild capitalism in Russia is only a consequence of the degradation of our people due to the difficulties of the economy of the 80s, when most of the population does not understand how there will be a new system, easily rejected the power of the Communist Party. Now we are only reaping the fruits of that stupidity, and this is obvious.
          But whatever the system in Russia, tsarist, Soviet or current democratic. we must think about the future of those who will come after us and possibly change the country for the better. In any case, our primary task is to preserve ourselves as an ethnos for the future, and for this purpose we can sacrifice something in our present life. The wisest proverb that best characterizes our mentality, in my opinion, sounds like this - "I'm going to die, but this rye". That is why, even seeing the vileness of the current oligarchy and singing along with them from among the power structures, I still try to explain to people that there is no need to rush into a new revolution - we had too much grief in the entire twentieth century, so let's better evolutionarily improve our society, since the people in the majority support the power in the person of Putin.
          Quote: AAG
          .Elections in the USA make me happy!

          I also hope that they will shake their society, but it is generally cowardly and it will not come to a revolution there - I am sure of that, that's why I am not deluded by their result, and I don't care who wins there.
          1. Aag
            Aag 7 November 2020 21: 35
            0
            I agree with the overwhelming majority of the theses outlined by you. Besides, perhaps, "when the majority of the population, not understanding what the new system would be like, easily rejected the power of the Communist Party."
            “Perhaps” because you expressed your thought ambiguously. For now, I can only argue that by the 80s the communists in power, at the very top, and more often on everyday examples, below, strongly discredited themselves. Apparently, the consequence. The reason is being dug on the neighboring branch. hi
    6. Civil
      Civil 4 November 2020 16: 33
      0
      Are Russians preparing for a war in the Arctic?

      Nothing like this. Some Russians are preparing to mine raw materials in the Arctic and sell them to the West. And then dump there. As with the Arctic, there is only one recipe.
    7. NF68
      NF68 4 November 2020 17: 25
      +3
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Historically, our country behaved like a dog in the manger


      Is it better to give everything to kind western uncles?
    8. Clear
      Clear 4 November 2020 18: 00
      +6
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      "... ensuring public safety in the Arctic zone of the Russian Federation ..." - at this point I laughed heartily, because this is pure demagogy - "public security" in a region with a near-zero population, it is really powerful.

      Historically, our country behaved like a dog in the hay - raking in a bunch of unsuitable territories "which seem to be profitable" and then killing themselves on the topic of ensuring their safety and questions of who will work there, in what conditions to live and what to eat. And all these stories about the abundant Arctic are from this series. They'll get a hold of them. What's next ? Who will work there? Will it be profitable to mine anything there, with technology development and polar costs - relative to fluctuating world resource prices? How much will it cost us to defend this direction - how effective will it be in these conditions, will we not need to duplicate it on the continental part from this direction?
      Who will protect these areas, to put it mildly, not a better life, given our dilapidated demontential and the need for the same workers and heads to build up the economy?

      In general, so far, all these are just another stupid games in Hyperborea.


      Oh, in any way Madeleine Albright's granddaughter appeared on the forum with a memorized rhyme from her grandmother winked .

      1. Hypertension
        Hypertension 4 November 2020 18: 27
        -2
        Quote: Clear
        Oh, no way Madeleine Albright's granddaughter appeared on the forum with a learned rhyme from her grandmother winked

        It was the old witch who made such plans earlier. But after Russia amended the Constitution, we got rid of American influence. We'll catch another cold (ARI, not COVID) at her funeral.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 4 November 2020 20: 32
          +1
          Quote: Hyperion
          But after Russia amended the Constitution, we got rid of American influence.

          Oh well. Probably thanks to the amendments introduced, our entire elite is watching the American elections with bated breath.
        2. eklmn
          eklmn 4 November 2020 23: 18
          0
          "... we got rid of American influence." But not from an American passport !!! laughing laughing
    9. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 4 November 2020 18: 39
      +1
      As for its unsuitableness, highly suitable Europe is now occupied by other peoples, and one cannot do without the great migrations of peoples with dozens of episodes of genocide on a local scale. So, you have to make do with what you have. Who needs it - they work, the Arctic is not only the north of Yakutia or Taimyr, it is also half of the Kola Peninsula and much more. And now they think about efficiency much more often.
    10. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 4 November 2020 19: 43
      0
      And what are these minus players minus you? In some ways you are right - I lived 25 years in the Far North and I confirm the low population density. We had 0 people per 05 km100. And the fact that the cost of production is much higher is also true, and the fact that the explored reserves are mainly worked out, and the new ones are not explored ... This is my life, I am a mining engineer by education, my mother was a geologist, my father was a geologist, my brother was a geologist ...
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 4 November 2020 22: 43
        -1
        Because the general jingoistic direction of the propaganda of our state has created a huge mass of people who do not know nichrome in what conditions something is mined in the same Arctic, for example, and in the same Africa, for example. People open a resource map - OGOOOO! they say - so it's billions-trillions! Definitely take and sit on this, wait until everything climbs out of the ground by itself. And about the fact that in such a climate the construction of something is Hemorrhoids with a capital letter, the work is Hemorrhoids, the supply is Hemorrhoids, the organization of the export of the mined is Hemorrhoids, and, finally, that all this will be mined by living people, and not some mythical Atlanta - it comes too weakly. If in Africa we have at our side a really cheap labor force that can cover the shame with a fig leaf and sleep in cabins without heating and kondeya, then EVERYTHING will have to be transported to the Arctic - most likely by air, or it is more profitable to store what is brought in (for example, by sea) in huge warehouses that also need to be built and equipped. All this also needs to be brought, built, equipped, heated with something. For people, this is the most severe stress of changing the lighting regime and temperature regime; it is not for nothing that there are northern allowances. There will be no normal communication, and there will probably not be normal emergency medical care.
        And all this in the end = costs. For salaries for such people, for the characteristics of equipment capable of working in such conditions, for the increased complexity of construction and year-round heating, for the delivery and storage of absolutely EVERYTHING for all occasions. But the "hurray-patriots" do not understand this well, because they stupidly do not realize that this difference in price between "Africa and the Middle East" versus "Arctic" - makes the super-active kipish in this direction a gamble with not so obvious exhaust as it may seem.
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 4 November 2020 23: 15
          0
          It is quite possible that the Arctic will win back its own, but this is not even decades ... But I think people should not kill the positive trend ... Maybe they just say that the north is very expensive - you have to work ... as I once did. Hey folks, is 50 degrees normal temperature for a street toilet? Agree to trade a warm life for ... about 60-70 thousand? A month there, two here. Good enticement? And there, too, for 12 hours ...
          I myself am a patriot, but I only understand everything about this - it just happened for me - 25 in the Far North. And once again to all the rest - our potatoes could not ripen there - if you bury one sack, you dig up the peas.
      2. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 5 November 2020 05: 45
        -1
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        And what are these minus players minus you? In some ways you are right - I lived 25 years in the Far North and I confirm the low population density. We had 0 people per 05 km100. And the fact that the cost of production is much higher is also true, and the fact that the explored reserves are mainly worked out, and the new ones are not explored ... This is my life, I am a mining engineer by education, my mother was a geologist, my father was a geologist, my brother was a geologist ...

        So here the Muscovites have settled down and are minus, everything is not enough for them = let the Russians-Siberians work for them ... hi
      3. Aag
        Aag 6 November 2020 22: 31
        0
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        And what are these minus players minus you? In some ways you are right - I lived 25 years in the Far North and I confirm the low population density. We had 0 people per 05 km100. And the fact that the cost of production is much higher is also true, and the fact that the explored reserves are mainly worked out, and the new ones are not explored ... This is my life, I am a mining engineer by education, my mother was a geologist, my father was a geologist, my brother was a geologist ...

        And for this you will pass by! I suspect that most of them did not even feel minus 30!
    11. Mikhail Tynda
      Mikhail Tynda 5 November 2020 00: 10
      +1
      This is not your Country. They don't speak about their Country and Homeland like that. It's not for you to talk about what she needs and what not. What is profitable and what is not, due to lack of knowledge, and judging by the commentary, there are many other things in general. Either you are not Russian.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 5 November 2020 01: 23
        -1
        You would not decide for others what to think, who they are, and what rights they have. Because there were already such clever people, and then in the neighborhood with the "wrong-minded" they hammered the permafrost with picks.
        1. Mikhail Tynda
          Mikhail Tynda 5 November 2020 03: 40
          +4
          And I live, where the permafrost is. I am developing a non-profitable deposit. So ... Consider that my existence alone refutes your point of view.
    12. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 05: 03
      +2
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      "... ensuring public safety in the Arctic zone of the Russian Federation ..." - at this point I laughed heartily, because this is pure demagogy - "public security" in a region with a near-zero population, it is really powerful.

      Were you interested in the population of Norilsk, Varkuta, Salekhard? And there it is even required to maintain public order!
      Now let's look at the Sabetta Seaport. Do you think crimes are committed there? Therefore, you can heartily cry - yes. But the district police officer and a couple of seconded people are trivially engaged in small things.
      1. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 5 November 2020 05: 52
        0
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        "... ensuring public safety in the Arctic zone of the Russian Federation ..." - at this point I laughed heartily, because this is pure demagogy - "public security" in a region with a near-zero population, it is really powerful.

        Were you interested in the population of Norilsk, Varkuta, Salekhard? And there it is even required to maintain public order!
        Now let's look at the Sabetta Seaport. Do you think crimes are committed there? Therefore, you can heartily cry - yes. But the district police officer and a couple of seconded people are trivially engaged in small things.

        More details about Norilsk, please ... What is the percentage of drug addicts and prostitutes there in terms of population with Moscow, for example? And what about the level of venous diseases and STIs?
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 06: 08
          0
          Do you have some kind of perverted understanding of common crime laughing
          Statistics are publicly available, except for some of the medical data, so go to Rosstat and read! On my own I will say the criminogenic situation is similar to all shift towns and cities in the Far North. Addiction is off the charts.
          1. GTYCBJYTH2021
            GTYCBJYTH2021 5 November 2020 06: 42
            -1
            Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Do you have some kind of perverted understanding of common crime laughing
            Statistics are publicly available, except for some of the medical data, so go to Rosstat and read! On my own I will say the criminogenic situation is similar to all shift towns and cities in the Far North. Addiction is off the charts.

            With the Rosstate got off .. you got off .... And what will happen if - God forbid !!! - will build shift towns, ports and factories in the North, increase the number of GUARDS, POLICE OFFICERS? There is only one way out - instead of reducing employees - to watch them at the construction sites of (possible) towns-settlements ...
    13. Hagen
      Hagen 5 November 2020 05: 56
      +3
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Historically, our country behaved like a dog in the manger - raking in a bunch of unsuitable territories "which seem to be profitable" and then killing themselves on the topic of ensuring their safety and questions of who will work there, in what conditions to live and what to eat.

      I never heard anything stupider ... No.
  2. deniso
    deniso 4 November 2020 15: 27
    +3
    Whoever has nuclear-powered ships controls the Arctic - that's all love. Icebreakers - for escorting ships along the NSR, nuclear submarines - for protecting the NSR. We have both - and it is being built again and again, so there is no need to open greedy mouths to the RUSSIAN North.
  3. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 4 November 2020 15: 29
    +4
    Make friends and cooperate on our terms!

    The smartest decision. Invest money, resources, but only on Russian terms and under Russian supervision.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 4 November 2020 15: 50
      +4
      "- Briand is the head! .... I personally would not put my finger on." (C) laughing
  4. Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 4 November 2020 15: 42
    +2
    The main thing for Russia is not to let anyone in and to develop resources only by itself.
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 4 November 2020 16: 23
      +7
      This is how the Russian bourgeoisie does it, it masters everything itself, pays only a penny to the hard workers.
      1. Clear
        Clear 4 November 2020 18: 02
        +3
        Quote: Pessimist22
        This is how the Russian bourgeoisie does it, it masters everything itself, pays only a penny to the hard workers.

        It would be nice if
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Russian bourgeoisie
        I did it myself in Siberia lol .
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 5 November 2020 06: 02
        +1
        Quote: Pessimist22
        This is how the Russian bourgeoisie does it, it masters everything itself, pays only a penny to the hard workers.

        Hard workers are paid exactly as much as necessary so that they tend to go to work there and create the necessary "pressure" at the entrance in order to instantly fill vacancies. Work in the oil and gas complex has always been profitable at all levels. It is not easy to get there even with a simple operator or pomboor.
    2. Aag
      Aag 6 November 2020 22: 43
      +1
      Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
      The main thing for Russia is not to let anyone in and to develop resources only by itself.

      Somehow generalized in this
      a short post ... Please specify, please, "only by yourself" - by whom, how, for what funds?
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 4 November 2020 15: 45
    +2
    Make friends and cooperate on our terms!
    .. As an example, such a "friendship" is the situation with "Rusal" or with China and "Siberian Stream". And of course, the West will help us, they are looking for opportunities not only to make a profit, but also just not to lose money ... For 30 years now ... they have been making a profit and not losing money, and everything is on our terms.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 4 November 2020 16: 24
      -8
      and what is wrong with the Power of Siberia? she works. deliveries are increasing. under construction to reach full capacity. there, according to plans, by 26, 38000 houses will be supplied with gas only. what's wrong with it? yesterday the second phase began construction. there at one Amur gas processing plant that is included in this project on the construction of 16000 people a pancake works. it's just huge.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 4 November 2020 17: 12
        +7
        Oppose, yes everything is so, the last 30 years everything is so ... laughing Tomorrow, we will catch up and overtake everyone, figlee 5 the world's economy ..
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 4 November 2020 17: 26
          -7
          and who was going to catch up there? they just build and do what they have planned. a huge plant for the production of various chemicals. one of the largest in the world in this area. and if you are not even impressed by this, what is the point at all from this conversation?) a project that gives a bunch of infrastructure and industry. which gives gasification to a huge number of people. which employs thousands of people.
          1. Wolverine
            Wolverine 5 November 2020 12: 21
            +1
            How many thousands? Where from? From Uzbekistan and Tajikistan? In the topic about the Far East, in which you respected complained about the bad nature of the Far East because of which your allergic daughter left for Moscow, and all your friends are moving to the European part, and in general you can work on the Far East only on a rotational basis, a comrade familiar with local realities wrote that the locals (who have not left yet) have no work - the migrant workers from the SA are imported by Russian capitalists
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 5 November 2020 12: 26
              0
              there are gaster of course. and where are they not at construction sites?) does not depend on the region. climate yes. but there the darkness of the people is working there, about which I also spoke if they forgot. your friend can write anything I live here. and there is enough work. there is simply no one to take because let's say I need specialists and not my uncles with the formation of vocational schools. I myself, after leaving the army, did not sweat to retrain and get a new job. but I know the darkness of those who do not bother themselves with this and are waiting for a blue helicopter.
    2. Aag
      Aag 6 November 2020 22: 48
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      Make friends and cooperate on our terms!
      .. As an example, such a "friendship" is the situation with "Rusal" or with China and "Siberian Stream". And of course, the West will help us, they are looking for opportunities not only to make a profit, but also just not to lose money ... For 30 years now ... they have been making a profit and not losing money, and everything is on our terms.

      Be careful, please! "Our conditions" - no quotation marks, but the meaning has changed! hi
  6. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 4 November 2020 15: 46
    0
    True, it is very difficult for Western countries to recognize the technical superiority of Russian science and industry in the creation of Arctic technology.
    I would like more specifics .. South Korea builds gas carriers for the Northern Sea Route, for example. Western countries do not need the same nuclear icebreakers, in principle, there is nowhere to use. But they have combat icebreakers in service, unlike our only one under construction "Patanin"
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 4 November 2020 15: 53
      +5
      But they have combat icebreakers in service,
      I did not find it
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 4 November 2020 16: 41
        +2
        Quote: Gardamir
        But they have combat icebreakers in service,
        I did not find it

        Svalbard is the most famous, since 2002 in service
        1. KCA
          KCA 4 November 2020 17: 07
          -1
          Armament - one 57mm cannon, a thunderstorm of the northern seas, to scare polar bears, or

          Project 23550 ice-class patrol ships armament:
          1 × 76,2 mm artillery mount AK-176MA;
          2 × 30 mm AK-630M;
          4 × 12,7 mm "Cord";
          MANPADS "Igla", "Verba";
          2 container launchers of the Kalibr-K missile system (4 each 3M-54, 3M-14 Caliber) or 2 container launchers (4 Uranus X-35U anti-ship missiles each).
          Feel the difference
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 4 November 2020 17: 42
            +4
            Quote: KCA
            Feel the difference

            There is only "caliber" to wave, because Kord and AK-630 are not very cool weapons for a ship, and MANPADS can be delivered to anything. Anyway, for a patrol ship, strike weapons, in the form of cruise missiles, are not the most necessary thing. The main difference is that Potanin is scheduled to be commissioned only in November 2023, while Svalbard has been in service for almost 20 years.

            PS I don't like Svalbard, the Canadians are building their series - Harry Dewulf, the first is already in service, only 6 ordered
        2. Lynx2000
          Lynx2000 5 November 2020 13: 45
          +3
          Quote: Stirbjorn

          Svalbard is the most famous, since 2002 in service


          Quote: Stirbjorn

          PS I don't like Svalbard, the Canadians are building their series - Harry Dewulf, the first is already in service, only 6 ordered

          what It seems to me that with the declared icebreakers we went too far. These are ice-class patrol ships capable of overcoming ice fields up to 1 meter thick or covered with ice.
          Our old projects of the border PSKR for example "Anadyr" are about the same.
          Now it seems that a new ice-class Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky PSKR has come to Kamchatka, capable of, similarly to the vessels you mentioned, "breaking" ice ...

          Canada and Norway are "Arctic states" with maritime boundaries and WES with aquatic biological resources. It is the norm to have such patrol (border) ships to guard resources as well as rescue in the event of a disaster (like tugs). I see no threat to Russia from such ships. I think that our PSKRs should not be a threat to them either.
          As the saying goes:
          A neighbor behind the fence started a Caucasian Shepherd, let him not complain about my Alabai.
          1. Aag
            Aag 6 November 2020 22: 55
            +1
            "A neighbor behind the fence started a Caucasian Shepherd Dog, let him not complain about my Alabai."
            Quite comparable breeds of service dogs by most criteria ... What's wrong?
            1. Lynx2000
              Lynx2000 7 November 2020 00: 18
              +1
              Quote: AAG
              Quite comparable breeds of service dogs by most criteria ... What's wrong?

              This is about discussing the mutual threats of the NATO member states and Russia related to the development of forces and means of presence and development of the Arctic territories and waters.
              Simply put: their ice-class patrol ships are Caucasian Shepherd Dogs.
              Our ice-class border patrol boats are Alabai.
              Are ship classes and datatypes comparable to dogs? wink
              They breed ... we breed.
              1. Aag
                Aag 7 November 2020 10: 06
                +1
                That's what I'm talking about.
    2. KCA
      KCA 4 November 2020 16: 04
      -1
      Who should we? Of the 15 LNG carriers built by Korea, only one belongs to a Russian company, but 11 LNG carriers have been ordered for "us" at Zvezda, and 36 more are planned
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 4 November 2020 16: 52
        +6
        Quote: KCA
        Who should we? out of 15 gas carriers built by Korea, only one belongs to a Russian company

        Judging by their names, this is just a way to avoid being sanctioned.
        Quote: KCA
        but for "us" on "Zvezda" 11 gas carriers were ordered and 36 more are planned

        Yeah, only the first "Vladimir Monomakh" is 90% Korean. On "Zvezda" only the nose was welded
        1. KCA
          KCA 4 November 2020 16: 59
          -7
          So what? They will all be under a Korean license, so the assembly technology will be tested jointly, for the first Mistrals we also do, I don't remember, only the bow or stern were made, the next ones were supposed to go purely Russian
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 4 November 2020 17: 03
            +5
            Quote: KCA
            So what? They will all be under a Korean license, so testing the assembly technology is joint,

            In fact, South Korea has technical superiority, at the moment, in the construction of gas carriers for the Arctic. Which, in general, only confirms my first post, and refutes the statement of Mr. Staver. What are you arguing with me about?
      2. Wolverine
        Wolverine 5 November 2020 12: 24
        +3
        And which will also be 90 percent built in Korea, and a couple of ready-made blocks will be brewed on the Zvezda and a bottle will be broken - and like they built on Zvezda
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 4 November 2020 15: 47
    +1
    It is not straightforward to explore the Arctic tomorrow.
    So far, only timid attempts are there, to get and take out, until development is still far away.
    The question to protect is always topical ... commensurate with the available opportunities.
    So far so, and then see the boom.
  8. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 4 November 2020 15: 48
    +5
    Putin has repeatedly stated the need to "work together" with Western partners. This is due not only to the opportunity to attract Western investments to the implementation of some projects, but also to the fact that in many respects the program for the development of the Arctic Circle is a commercial project.

    Attract Western Investment? Don't tell my horseshoes. Western investments in Russia are attracted only in order to make Russian land and subsoil private property. Russia is "spreading rot" its own billions, Kudrin reports to the same Putin about this, and here you are describing "under Khokhloma" bright prospects for Western investments and attracting partners ... For what? Play tennis? This is how Yeltsin suffered. Putin only plays hockey, "giveaway" ...
    The reasoning is so primitive that to look for sponsors in the West for the transfer of high technologies to Russia, or experience in pharmacology, or in the training of medical personnel capable of operating in Russia, or ... Why is there, or when ordinary potatoes in a store cost about 50 rubles per kilogram...
    North ... North ... We were in the North ... Russian North is not European. There, arrogance and ambition immediately "shrink".
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      1. parusnik
        parusnik 4 November 2020 17: 15
        +2
        It is true, in our county in 5-ke and Magnet the same for 19 rubles, though it turns black on the third day. On the market from 28 rubles to 45 rubles. 2 weeks ago it was from 25 to 40
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 4 November 2020 19: 01
        +3
        Quote: matRoss
        The rest of your vysera cost no more.

        I have no habit of dissembling. I don't care what you have in St. Petersburg costs or costs. Kemerovo, shop "Maria RA", Boulevard Stroiteley, 33 - two types of washed potatoes in packages weighing 2 and 2, 5 kg cost (from memory, bought the day before yesterday, 02.11.20) 100 and 115 rubles per package. Tomorrow I'll go, take a picture and send it in PM.
        And I advise you not to be rude for no reason. Do not be like your fellow countryman, we have seen all sorts of ...
        1. matross
          matross 4 November 2020 19: 34
          -5
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Tomorrow I'll go, take a picture and send it in PM.
          And I advise you not to be rude for no reason. Do not be like your fellow countryman, we have seen all sorts of ...

          So you haven't seen everyone yet, since you distribute advice.
          Send pictures of the potatoes to some human rights activists or other perverts, I'm not interested.
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  9. Tugarin
    Tugarin 4 November 2020 15: 52
    17
    Interest in the Russian Arctic has increased: what's next

    And then - confrontation. Nothing new.
  10. iouris
    iouris 4 November 2020 16: 20
    +2
    Quote: "... our challenge today is to use the desire to make money for our own purposes." End of quote.
    Apparently the author belongs to a narrow (very narrow) stratum of "elitists".
    This is how I see the "desire to make money" (even very hot), repeating the success of 1991. "Interest" is not only and not so much in the Arctic.
    1. domokl
      4 November 2020 18: 31
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Apparently the author belongs to a narrow (very narrow) stratum of "elitists".

      Secretly, the author is Sechin's son-in-law and Putin's godfather. .The real name is Chubais. Tolya Chubais.
  11. ccsr
    ccsr 4 November 2020 16: 38
    +6
    Author:
    Alexander Staver
    For most readers, the subheading looks somewhat unexpected. What kind of war in the Arctic are we talking about? In the Arctic, in the ice of the Arctic Ocean, collisions are theoretically possible.

    Sorry, but even the Soviet commanders did not believe in this whim, so there is no need to escalate the situation, because NATO countries are much less ready for a war in the Arctic than we are. Through the Arctic, we always expect flights of ballistic missiles, flights of US strategic aviation and the appearance of their nuclear submarines. Here we will dwell on this, and we will not bother ourselves.
    Alas, but conversations (which means there are plans for such operations) are really being conducted in the Western headquarters.

    And can you prove this at least on the basis of large-scale NATO exercises in the Arctic during the winter training period? I understand that we should not relax, but as they say "cut the sturgeon", otherwise your conclusions will be viewed as hysteria.
    1. Aag
      Aag 6 November 2020 23: 30
      0
      "... Through the Arctic, we always expect flights of ballistic missiles, flights of US strategic aviation and the appearance of their nuclear submarines. We will stop at this, and we will not bother ourselves."
      I wrote about this above, albeit later ... In this connection, the question arises: what kind of T-80? What kind of snowmobiles to combat DRG? Everything that you land, throw yourself out there, will be donated by the Russian Federation. "invest" because how difficult it is to control?
  12. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 4 November 2020 16: 44
    +7
    ... the task of Western countries today, by hook or by crook, in any way, not excluding even military intervention, is to gain access to the riches of the Arctic, access to the Northern Sea Route.


    Do not make people laugh!
    Currently, the United States has only one heavy icebreaker "Polar Star" and one medium "Healy" which is already 30 years old. Canada has another such old man. There are probably talks about some new projects somewhere. I even came across plans to build two icebreakers by 2029.

    Today the Russian Federation has about 40 icebreakers of different capacities and ages. At the moment, of the powerful operating icebreakers built during the Soviet period, four remain in service: Yamal and 50 Years of Victory (Type Arctic), as well as Taimyr and Vaygach (Type Taimyr). Due to the fact that their resource ends in the near future, the construction of icebreakers of the LK-60Ya project "Arktika", "Siberia" and "Ural" has begun at the Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg. In total, by 2035, the Russian Arctic fleet will have at least 13 heavy linear icebreakers, including nine nuclear-powered ones. Here Russia is "ahead of the rest of the world" and the Americans will not reach parity even in 30 years.
    Now, you can stop scaring simple-minded readers with a military invasion of the Arctic and put an end to it.

    According to the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation "On national goals and strategic tasks of the development of the Russian Federation for the period up to 2024" the NSR should become a global transport artery with a traffic intensity of more than 80 million tons per year.

    The bulk of these traffic is associated exclusively with the expansion of Russian activities in the Arctic, and not with the transit of goods by foreign carriers.
    The volume of transit cargo along the Northern Sea Route is currently about 1 million tons per year. For comparison, the Suez Canal is 1000 times more - more than 1 billion tons of cargo ...

    This happens because, for various reasons, only about a hundred ships, While the through the Suez Canal 18.

    There are various bureaucratic and administrative difficulties when using the NSR by foreign courts (for example, a complicated and lengthy procedure for obtaining permits or purchasing services), while in the case of the Suez Canal, these procedures are simplified as much as possible.

    Although permits for transit along the NSR are issued by the Russian authorities free of charge, shipping companies have to pay for expensive insurance (in case of technical problems, getting stuck in ice, etc.), hydrographic - the topography of the area in this area is complex and changeable due to constant bottom soil movement, maintenance, icebreaker support.
    (I came across data somewhere that ships sailing along the NSR even in summer have to pay 400 thousand dollars for icebreaker escort.)
    Climatic observations have been carried out in the region for over 110 years. But they did not reveal any obvious changes in climatic factors.

    In other words, there is no reason to say that in some foreseeable future the ice will melt and it will be possible to abandon the use of icebreakers.

    It is clear to everyone that icebreakers can only be followed by vessels of a strictly limited size. For example, the new icebreaker "Arktika" is 34 meters wide. This means that this icebreaker can only open the way for old Panamax class container ships with a width of just over 32 meters, capable of carrying a maximum 5 100 containers.

    This infographic reflects the trend through 2017. In just three years, even larger container ships appeared. So, through the Suez Canal, today ships with a width of about 60 meters and a capacity 23 000 containers, which naturally reduces the cost of container shipping.
    In short, there is still a lot to be done to create a competitive route.
    1. domokl
      4 November 2020 18: 33
      -3
      Quote: A. Privalov
      In short, there is still a lot to be done to create a competitive route.

      Eeeeh, again then we will scratch the bald spot on the back of the head. How did it happen. We were in front and suddenly found ourselves in the back ... behind.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 4 November 2020 19: 25
        +5
        For the sake of fairness, it should be noted that a lot has already been done, but more remains to be done.

        Look, there are practically no major ports and settlements on the NSR. Of course, there are cities there too, but they are not large enough to economically justify the entry of large container ships to unload some of the existing containers and take new ones on board. There, now there is practically no one and nothing to serve the transit ships. We will have to expand and put the existing ports in order, restore hydrometeorological support, and save the airfield system. With the commissioning of additional icebreakers, incl. nuclear, it is necessary to train crews, for the time being, for this there are not enough of them, and their preparation is a difficult and expensive process.
        Of course, there is a certain interest of a number of countries, including those with great economic potential, in participating in the development of the Arctic, or simply in buying already extracted resources. However, this does not mean that cooperation with them will deepen. The number of prohibitive legislative acts and restrictions adopted by the Russian Federation in the last decade gives a clear impression that Russia will remain there alone.
        There's a lot more to come. The list of actions required for the full functioning of the NSR, even with such a superficial assessment, is huge, and its implementation requires enormous financial and time costs.
        I am a little familiar with this topic. I remember Murmansk in 1985, where I came for a week - to prepare a very interesting, intelligent, good, but very busy person to defend his Ph.D. thesis.
        The city impressed me then. The middle of June, and I am in a coat and a hat (+7 with a breeze) and the polar day is completely unusual for a resident of the central regions, in a word, such a harsh North. Even some incredible number of barrack houses did not spoil my mood. (I hope these barracks have already been demolished in the past 35 years.)
        The topic of the dissertation was something on the economic justification of coastal and transit transportations along the Northern Sea Route. Cargo turnover on the NSR had a clear tendency to increase, although the route was not open for international shipping, but the nuclear-powered icebreaker Lenin was still ironing the ice to the full, and the thesis was clearly on the subject of those days and was defended with brilliance. The time was special then. A time of great expectations, or something ...
        1. WayKheThuo
          WayKheThuo 4 November 2020 23: 38
          +2
          A definite plus.
          Of all the comments presented, yours is the most interesting - without a hat, on the case.
          Thank you.
        2. Aag
          Aag 6 November 2020 23: 40
          0
          "... The time was special then. A time of great expectations, ..."
          Not time, a whole epoch! ... How mediocre all this, all this once ... bazaar ...
  13. Karabin
    Karabin 4 November 2020 20: 39
    +5
    Hence a simple and clear task for our diplomacy and our business follows. Cooperation should be carried out on terms favorable to us.

    To know who else these "WE" are.
  14. Undecim
    Undecim 4 November 2020 22: 53
    +3
    Interestingly, there is at least one topic, besides the compilation of eulogies, in which the author understands?
  15. Hagen
    Hagen 5 November 2020 06: 13
    +2
    And after we tested the air defense and missile defense systems modernized specifically for the northern version, the military pressure on Russia in these latitudes ceased.

    It's kind of strange to hear that. The author should decipher what he means by the term "military pressure". However, reading below:
    What kind of war in the Arctic are we talking about? In the Arctic, in the ice of the Arctic Ocean, collisions are theoretically possible. But the Arctic belongs to Russia. What kind of nonsense have they invented at NATO headquarters? Alas, but conversations (which means there are plans for such operations) are really being conducted in the Western headquarters.

    all the same, I would like to ask the author whether the military pressure stopped or, on the contrary, intensified. Somehow one part of the article contradicts another. A confusion of thought ...
  16. Alexander Ivanov_8
    Alexander Ivanov_8 5 November 2020 06: 18
    +2
    I read the comments and was surprised. Guys, what if you look a little further than your own nose? Oil and gas under conditions of comfortable production are not endless, and the demand for them will always be, no matter how puffed up the cheeks of the advocates of wind and solar energy. And besides oil and gas, there is still a bunch of all sorts of goodies. So this is our groundwork for the future (which is surprising for Putin's Russia). Otherwise, let's give the Arctic to the States. Or the EU. Or the Chinese. They will accept such a gift with a joyful squeal. At one time, Alaska was considered an unnecessary territory, so what? Now we bite our elbows.
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    2. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 5 November 2020 17: 50
      -2
      Quote: Alexander Ivanov_8
      At one time, Alaska was considered an unnecessary territory, so what? Now we bite our elbows

      It is fortunate that Alaska was given away, otherwise there would have been continuous camps there, but now another bridge would be built.
      1. Aag
        Aag 6 November 2020 23: 46
        0
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Quote: Alexander Ivanov_8
        At one time, Alaska was considered an unnecessary territory, so what? Now we bite our elbows

        It is fortunate that Alaska was given away, otherwise there would have been continuous camps there, but now another bridge would be built.

        Well, apparently, something personal ...
        According to most of your other comments, only pluses ...
  17. Slippery
    Slippery 7 November 2020 14: 35
    0
    Quote: A. Privalov
    For the sake of fairness, it should be noted that a lot has already been done, but more remains to be done.

    Regarding Murmansk. The same fishermen are unloading in Kirkenes, we have a monstrous red tape. Now it's not like at sea, in the bay until 22-00 on a boat (what if a nuisance happens? And you are rescued at an inopportune hour), etc. ... But with the transport hub and Novatek, the city began to revive.