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SAM "Kub" in Karabakh was destroyed by high-precision ammunition from the air

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SAM "Kub" in Karabakh was destroyed by high-precision ammunition from the air

The Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Azerbaijan continues to report on its successful actions against the Armenian side in the conflict zone. It is reported about the destruction of the next air defense system.


The report of the Azerbaijani military department says that the anti-aircraft missile system "Cube" was destroyed the day before in the evening. It was located in the area of ​​the village Cherdakly (Azerbaijani name).

"Cube" - air defense system of military air defense, developed and produced in the Soviet era. The initial version - 2K12 - was put into service in 1967. The affected area is up to 22 km in range and up to 8 km in height (for modifications - up to 12 km). What kind of modification "Cuba" was destroyed in Karabakh is not reported.

The footage shows that the destruction of the air defense system of the Armenian side was carried out from the air with the help of high-precision ammunition, from which video information about the target hit was transmitted through the channel:


Also, the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense showed footage using barreled artillery:


Meanwhile, the Armenian Defense Ministry accused enemy troops of striking the civilian population. The press secretary of the ministry, Shushan Stepanyan, reports that there is at least one civilian casualty as a result of the shelling carried out by the Azerbaijani military.
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  2. Snail N9
    Snail N9 3 November 2020 07: 00 New
    +7
    Slowly knocking out Armenian equipment ...
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 3 November 2020 07: 03 New
      22
      And the technology is knocked out and the information war was won outright against the Armenians.
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 3 November 2020 07: 35 New
        13
        I do not sympathize with either side.
        I’m watching. But I am surprised by the toothlessness of the Armenian army in Karabakh.
        There was even a historical association ... with the Russian-Japanese war.

        Like a giveaway game.

        Why did the Armenian army become like this? Generation change? Or is it all the same in new weapons systems? Or - do not know how to apply what is? Some questions.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 3 November 2020 07: 52 New
          13
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          Why did the Armenian army become like this? Generation change? Or is it all the same in new weapons systems? Or - do not know how to apply what is? Some questions.

          It seems to me that a parallel can be drawn with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In Armenia, as well as in Ukraine, those in power were more interested in something completely different, no one was involved in the army, and no money was allocated. The consequence of this was completely ridiculous actions in the Donbass in the 14-15th years. In Karabakh, approximately the same is observed.
          If the army is not engaged, it loses its combat effectiveness.
          1. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 4 November 2020 12: 40 New
            +2
            How long did the Armenian army degrade? During the reign of Pashinyan? Or is the problem much deeper, where the blame for the lack of new weapons lies with the previous rulers? Yes, in one thing you are right, the more corrupt the government, the worse the real affairs in the army and the more window dressing (do you catch parallels?)
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 4 November 2020 13: 27 New
              0
              How long did the Armenian army degrade?

              All thirty years of Armenian independence.
              Yes, in one thing you are right, the more corrupt the government, the worse the real affairs in the army and the more ostentation (do you catch parallels?

              If you are talking about the Russian army, then I don't get it. Yes, there is window dressing - but where is it not at all? - but a lot of real big problems, I would even say fundamental ones, were solved.
        2. MTN
          MTN 3 November 2020 10: 04 New
          -5
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          Why did the Armenian army become like this?

          how is it? it was always like that.
        3. Scipio
          Scipio 3 November 2020 18: 26 New
          0
          Why did you become this?) And what was she like? Was she a leader in your region? Even the army of great Armenia, which is so fond of remembering with a numerical advantage, was swept away by the Roman army.
        4. Nasdaq
          Nasdaq 3 November 2020 18: 56 New
          -1
          But I am surprised by the toothlessness of the Armenian army in Karabakh.
          Why did the Armenian army become like this? Generation change? Or is it all the same in new weapons systems? Or - do not know how to apply what is? Some questions.

          The answer is very simple: Because the most advanced weapons systems do not participate in the conflict. The official position of Armenia is that militias and Armenian volunteers are fighting there. There are allegedly no regular Armenian troops there. And they try to use advanced technology to a minimum, they don't want to shine.
          Here they are fighting with ancient weapons.
          This is a political decision. And probably not the best.
      2. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 3 November 2020 18: 18 New
        -4
        The information war was won outright, fact. I will only note - this is on the Russian information field. For example, here.
        And both those and those have successes. He who seeks finds. Here's a fresh one, for example, posted 50 minutes ago:
    2. Fedor Sokolov
      Fedor Sokolov 3 November 2020 07: 05 New
      +9
      Well, if you do not use disguise, of course they will knock out. In addition, in Karabakh, all equipment is very old Soviet-made, absolutely unsuitable for detecting and hitting small-sized air targets.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 3 November 2020 07: 17 New
        14
        I am amazed at the quality of the optics on Azerbaijani drones - the picture is broadcasted bright and clear, with great detail-resolution and cannot be compared with the pictures that our Ministry of Defense publishes from our drones from Syria - not clear, muddy, on which it is hardly possible that disassemble .... sad
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 3 November 2020 08: 00 New
          +7
          I am amazed at the quality of the optics on Azerbaijani drones - the picture is broadcasted bright and clear, with great detail-resolution and cannot be compared with the pictures that our Ministry of Defense publishes from our drones from Syria - not clear, muddy, on which it is hardly possible that disassemble ...

          Found on the pipe

          In my opinion, the quality is at least not worse than in the video from the note.
          1. Temples
            Temples 3 November 2020 08: 15 New
            +5
            For a snitch and others like him, the very fact of the Russian is the reason for the pictures "indistinct, muddy, in which you can hardly make out something"

            In the video for this note, the picture is, to put it mildly, worthless.

            But the snitch sees that the picture is "bright and clear, with great detail-resolution"

            Strange type.

            By and large, do not care about the quality of the picture, the fact of hitting the target is important.
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 3 November 2020 08: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: Temples
              Strange type.

              Do you think he's not a Russian? Or one of those Russians for whom living in their own country is worse than hellish torment?
            2. IL-18
              IL-18 3 November 2020 09: 47 New
              0
              do not care about the quality of the picture, the fact of hitting the target is important.

              That's it!
              On the other hand, how much does precision ammunition cost? And how much is this "Cube"?
              To the heap: what ... did this "Cube" do there without cover? And against whom were they going to use it?
        2. Vladimir Basov
          Vladimir Basov 3 November 2020 08: 02 New
          0
          Well, there is clearly not their production)) and this is not even the production of Turkey, there they are only collected
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 3 November 2020 12: 16 New
            0
            Already production is 60 percent of its own.
        3. Kaw
          Kaw 3 November 2020 09: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: Snail N9
          I am amazed at the quality of the optics on Azerbaijani drones - the picture is broadcasted bright and clear, with great detail-resolution and cannot be compared with the pictures that our MO publishes from our drones from Syria - not clear, muddy, on which it is difficult to disassemble ..

          On Turkish Bayraktars and on our Eagles there are cameras from the same manufacturers (not Turkish or Russian).
    3. Hypertension
      Hypertension 3 November 2020 13: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Snail N9
      Slowly knocking out Armenian equipment ...

      The word "slowly" is superfluous, IMHO ...
  3. Maki maki
    Maki maki 3 November 2020 07: 00 New
    18
    Apparently, the air defense means are so small that they cannot cover each other. Or they don't know how.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 3 November 2020 08: 30 New
      +1
      There are only NKR funds.
      Armenia actually abandoned them, supporting only verbally.
      At the moment, the Karabakh army is not thinking about any initiative.
      Exclusively defense.
      And with the superiority that Azerbaijan has over the NKR, the units of the NKR army operate quite successfully in defense.
      Especially in conditions of the enemy's multiple superiority in numbers and equipment.
  4. Victor_B
    Victor_B 3 November 2020 07: 03 New
    12
    The Cube is never designed to destroy such small ammunition ...
    Here it is clearly demonstrated the need for an ESCHELONED air defense system!
    Air defense must be able to defend itself!
    For today, only Khmeimim and Tartus seem to have managed to protect themselves, and the Israelis, too, where without them.
    But only MODERN, and not self-made strike UAVs, were used massively enough neither there nor there.
    In Saudi Arabia, air defense sucks! Can not manage.
    1. Vladimir Basov
      Vladimir Basov 3 November 2020 07: 59 New
      +5
      And what of the domestic air defense is sharpened against drones? Did they have shells, Wasps, Azerbaijan and were they gouged by the S-300? Please, you can also see them at the dump .. What domestic air defense systems are suitable for destroying drones?
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 3 November 2020 08: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: Vladimir Basov
        What domestic air defense systems are suitable for destroying drones?

        Tanks at the enemy airfield!
        Striking at decision-making centers and WTO carriers.
        By themselves, byteractors, the target for the Shells and Thors is simple, but there should be a solid radar field.
        Target designation is everything.
        Wasp's firing range is too small, try to shoot down a rocket with a rocket.
        1. IL-18
          IL-18 3 November 2020 09: 50 New
          +4
          there must be a solid radar field
          The relief, however, does not allow there. The mountains.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 3 November 2020 12: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir Basov
        And what of the domestic air defense is sharpened against drones? Did they have shells, Wasps, Azerbaijan and were they gouged by the S-300?

        Did Armenia have "Armor"?
        Because shooting small UAVs is the task of them and the "Thors".
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 November 2020 12: 18 New
        0
        "They also had shells." They had shells, and there were only 4 Torov for the whole of Armenia.
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 3 November 2020 07: 12 New
    +4
    This is a huge shooting range, not a battlefield! Interestingly, the Armenian army made at least some conclusions from what was happening, about how to really mask equipment on the battlefield, about the purchase of air defense systems - the same Bukov, Torov, Tungusok. ... about creating their own drones, or buying them from the Chinese or Iranians. ... but with such a defense, Karabakh is virtually lost.
    1. Slon1978
      Slon1978 3 November 2020 07: 27 New
      +4
      Honestly, so much has already been said about camouflage by various kinds of sofa experts, but have you yourself tried to think about your own words? Branches or a camouflage netting cannot be used to defend against the thermal imaging sight. There are also big doubts that in the cold season, like now, even the tension of solid matter over the trench line will help - in this case, it is possible that the person in the trench cannot be seen in contrast (with arms and legs), this is at best, but in the form of heat spots, it will certainly be visible all the same and it will be possible to work with a drone on it. What kind of disguise are you talking about, can you explain?
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 3 November 2020 07: 35 New
        -4
        Elephant 1978 - about camouflage in general! There the equipment is not even normally buried, there is a trench for a tank one and a half bayonets deep, there is no parapet at all, even the turf positions are not lined! !!! This is a shooting range, the readiness of the positions is zero, they do not fight for equipment, they throw it with any damage, they do not even try to extinguish tanks at the positions, the Karabakh army has been doing anything for many years, just not preparing for war! Is it difficult to equip positions, to equip equipment with -VSU -dynamic protection and anti-cumulative screens? The loss would be an order of magnitude less! !!
        1. Slon1978
          Slon1978 3 November 2020 07: 57 New
          +5
          You are doing, by and large, demagoguery. Sorry for the harshness. I have not yet seen (from the Azerbaijani side in any case) defeats of the NKR Armed Forces tanks by anything other than UAV ammunition. There were videos of successful ATGM shooting from the Armenians, but the scale of losses is not comparable. UAV mini-ammunition, by the way, has a tandem warhead, so it will not help to weight the equipment with dynamic protection here. Moreover, the accuracy of hitting them is such that you can hit the most vulnerable part of the car - for example, in MTO, where there will be no remote control, this happens if you carefully watched the videos. Therefore, the camouflage of equipment has nothing to do with the lion's share of its losses in the NKR Armed Forces - no matter how you mask it, it will be visible in a thermal imager. The role of (1) only the absence of a modern and echeloned air defense plays a role and (2) to a lesser extent, but the discipline of the personnel - it was long ago to understand that it was impossible to assemble more than two at the firing point. Dugouts for the mass presence of personnel should be prohibited, only individual or paired positions. If you build a dugout, then it should be designed for a direct hit. Maximum dispersal of personnel, including in conditions of firefighting. It is better not to have equipment in the positions, but to have established fire cover with artillery from remote and protected air defense positions. And similar events. But it's easy for me to theorize, in practice there are a lot of nuances that prevent the theory from being realized.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 3 November 2020 09: 45 New
            +2
            Maximum dispersal of personnel, including in conditions of firefighting.
            I "suddenly" remembered the training of DPR "militias" .... for example, from the battalions "Sparta", "Somalia" .... Excellent coordination of actions ... everyone knows their own maneuver! You can see how the fighters disembark and get on the truck ... The truck is constantly in motion ... the fighters jump out on the move and immediately lie on the side of the road (as an option, they walk along the side of the truck one after another, dispersed ...) landing on a truck is organized on the same principle ... When the enemy is fired upon, they are "instantly" dispersed ... But we are watching a video of the Azerbaijanis, how they destroy the DRG of Armenians ... ... stand for a long time ... the fighters either sit in cars at this time, or cluster around them ... No one notices that they are being watched from the drone. When the cars stand, "loaded with fighters, they are destroyed by shock drones. PS True, commenting on the video , believe that it was not a special forces DRG, but ordinary Armenian militias ... practically not trained! This is clearly indicated by the amateurish actions of the fighters ... On the video provided by the Azerbaijanis, the poor training of the Armenians is often noticeable ...
            1. Slon1978
              Slon1978 3 November 2020 11: 21 New
              0
              Yes, you are right in everything written. Here you need to take into account that the drone is practically or completely inaudible, depending on the height of work, since it has an internal combustion engine with a low-noise propeller. And the truck, most likely, is moving not quite along the front line, but in the shallow rear. And the personnel are not psychologically mobilized - they seem to be driving in the rear, 10 cars passed them without problems, the road was not bombed, etc.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 3 November 2020 12: 48 New
                +1
                Maybe you are right ! I admit it! There is only a small "nuance" ... No matter how it really is, the Azerbaijanis report about the DRG! So what about the "shallow rear" ... perhaps, but also doubtful ... (where is the DRG?) ...
          2. Kerensky
            Kerensky 3 November 2020 15: 14 New
            +2
            no matter how you mask it, it will be visible in the thermal imager.

            There, contrast is needed. Will there be enough contrast for a cold gun in position with a tarp stretched over it?
            And why are we modestly silent about false goals? Here they could be made!
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 3 November 2020 07: 49 New
        +6
        you yourself do not want to understand that disguise is not to throw branches. it is a broad concept that includes many different components. false targets. false heat sources. various smokes and aerosols, etc. there the Armenians do nothing at all.
        1. Slon1978
          Slon1978 3 November 2020 08: 05 New
          +7
          A bit strange answer. Firstly, smoke is not a hindrance to a thermal imager. Secondly, tell me about a false heat source and a false target, for example a tank, when the picture from the thermal imaging sight comes with such detail? How can you create a heated mock tank with the same signature as a real tank. Who will do it, how to do it, and how much will such a layout cost? I will immerse you in a little detail - the optical sight has a much higher magnification and therefore the optics can be operated from a higher height, but weather phenomena, including smoke, are a hindrance to the optics. To work with the thermal imager, the drone needs to descend lower, it is more dangerous, it is more difficult to find targets, but when it is found, the thermal imager works very well through the smoke. As a summary - from modern drone optics, taking into account its resolution, low speed, image stabilization, the possibility of circular flight and re-viewing the sector - it is very difficult, but with great effort it is probably possible to disguise. From a thermal imager - impossible, almost impossible. Even for the RF Armed Forces, not to mention the NKR.
          1. Slon1978
            Slon1978 3 November 2020 08: 07 New
            +2
            Therefore, digest a little and, if you can, write me the practical side of your vision of camouflage from a thermal imager. Taking into account combat conditions, scarce supplies, stress from waiting for an enemy attack on the ground or from the air. Provide realistic advice on how to achieve this if you bring up the topic and insist on your position.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 3 November 2020 09: 29 New
              +2
              I have one more question, how to perform a combat mission? Who will shoot? If all are disguised, under 3 meters of earth, in smoke, one by one?
              We are shown the end result, how the search takes place and the discovery is not. Here is a video showing in part. The tornado did everything like it shot correctly, quickly left and hid in the vegetation, but what's the point?
              1. Slon1978
                Slon1978 3 November 2020 11: 38 New
                +1
                I have no answer, war is a difficult and terrible thing. To carry out the task in such conditions on the plain, in my opinion, is almost impossible, for this you need an outrageous own motivation, cunning, and subject to low motivation of the other side's infantry. There is nothing left but to prevent the enemy from passing on the ground. Dig deeper trenches, dispersed passive defense and sit under artillery fire, each in his own cell, hide all medium weapons like ATGM and heavy machine guns in a trench and pull out onto the parapet only at the start of the attack. Place a lot of snipers, ambush firing points, mine approaches. This will certainly increase the price, but it will not stop the enemy on the plain in such conditions. In theory and military practice, passive defense always loses out to initiative.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 3 November 2020 11: 52 New
                  -1
                  In particular, Karabakh, Armenians need to negotiate. The war is lost. Yes, they can go into winter at about these positions, but winter in the mountains under constant shelling is earthly hell. Azerbaijan has seized the steppe part of Karabakh, can constantly rotate troops on the front line, transfer artillery, Azerbaijan's reserves are many times greater than the Armenian ones.
            2. Glory1974
              Glory1974 3 November 2020 09: 59 New
              0
              write me a practical side of your vision of camouflage from a thermal imager. Taking into account combat conditions, scarce supplies, stress from waiting for an enemy attack on the ground or from the air.

              Yes, it is difficult to hide from a thermal imager, but you can.
              Firstly, camouflage should be carried out in a comprehensive manner. Covering with branches will not help, but branches, embankment, masseti will jointly give an effect. In addition, if there are 3-4 false positions nearby, the cost of hitting the target will increase.
              Secondly, ordinary plastic film protects from the thermal imager. If you pull it over the trench, the thermal contrast of the target decreases significantly. And if you also cover with a mass, then you will not see anything in the trench and there will be no rollers where the drone operator chooses which group of fighters to place the projectile into.
              Thirdly, it is necessary to cover the location of the troops with smoke. Hot smoke covers the equipment perfectly. There are special checkers for this, the smoke from burning tires is unlikely to help.
              There are a few more points, but these can be applied now.
              1. Slon1978
                Slon1978 3 November 2020 11: 48 New
                +1
                The smoke loses its temperature already a couple of meters from an open flame. As you know, firefighters use thermal imagers to find casualties in the smoke from a fire. The film does not reliably help from a thermal imager, this is a known fact. False positions - probably yes, but do not forget - the drone operator selects the target slowly, examines, makes a second circle, looks at the movements of the personnel, where they are, but partly agrees. If you put a reliable model of a cannon, a tank, then the drone operator is likely to attack this target, rather than an infantry group. Someone's life will be saved.
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 3 November 2020 09: 43 New
            0
            3D models fully imitate military equipment in all ranges in which the technical reconnaissance equipment located on space and air carriers operate. 3D models are designed to equip false prepared and unprepared positions in order to mislead the technical means of reconnaissance, its personnel, weapon guidance systems and the crews of attack air complexes. Scientific research shows that with the cost of 3D models not exceeding 4% of the price of real equipment (tank, aircraft, missile system), the models are economically justified. In most cases, 3D models produced by SPE "RUSBAL" are inflatable, their price does not exceed 0,4 ... 0,7% of the cost of real weapons and military equipment. Typical delivery set for one layout
            One or more shells, depending on the size of the simulated technique.
            Power unit - a device that provides air filling and thermal imitation, or an electric generator complete with an electric fan.
            Anchors for anchoring to the ground.
            SPTA for field repair.
            Aerosol curtains, as far as I know, depending on the composition, also give an effect. I don’t remember now, but for example, the ShD-P checker was intended to counter optical, television and optical-electronic means of reconnaissance and control of enemy weapons.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 3 November 2020 12: 21 New
              +1
              The militias of Karabakh and the Armenian Armed Forces have nothing of this.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 3 November 2020 12: 22 New
                -1
                but it should be. they were not stupidly preparing for war.
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 8 November 2020 12: 20 New
              0
              Regarding layouts: I wouldn't be so sure about their usefulness. recourse
              There is such a device: a mass spectrometer. They are already being installed on drones "for peaceful purposes" in agriculture and urban areas.
              He will be able to distinguish the steel of the tank from the inflatable model from a great height.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 8 November 2020 12: 37 New
                0
                who will load a useful and very limited load with something like that?) I doubt it))) and its very use from a great height and instant processing of information sounds so-so)
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 8 November 2020 13: 32 New
                  +1
                  The Americans put them in their own spacecraft "killers", which ram towards the ICBM warheads.
                  To distinguish false warheads from real ones. There, the entire apparatus is 25 kg. But the place for the spectrometer was found.
          3. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 3 November 2020 10: 18 New
            -1
            Quote: Slon1978
            Firstly, smoke is not a hindrance to a thermal imager.

            Everyone else is forgetting about the synthetic aperture radar.
          4. Kerensky
            Kerensky 3 November 2020 15: 19 New
            -1
            How can you create a heated mock tank with the same signature as a real tank. Who will do it, how to do it, and how much will such a layout cost?

            Materials:
            1.Banners large format printing
            2. Sticks, slats, bars, logs ...
            3. Plastic clamps - ties.
            4. Chinese diesel generator.
            Do you need to describe the assembly order?
    2. Stock
      Stock 3 November 2020 07: 27 New
      +3
      Conclusions have probably been made, but all these air defense systems are not cheap, and Armenia is in trouble with finances, given that the war has been going on for more than a month.
    3. Typhoon_W
      Typhoon_W 3 November 2020 09: 53 New
      0
      what a purchase ... all the equipment is donated, Armenia is very poor, they have no petrodollars
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 November 2020 12: 19 New
      0
      They have no money - what purchases, in addition to this, still need calculations to train the work for a single month.
  6. Mikhalych
    Mikhalych 3 November 2020 07: 19 New
    +5
    Why do our air defense systems hammer their UAVs in Syria, and vice versa in Karabakh? Maybe Armenians are just bad fighters?
    1. Asad
      Asad 3 November 2020 07: 24 New
      +7
      Do ours in Syria have a Cube in service?
    2. Vladimir Basov
      Vladimir Basov 3 November 2020 07: 56 New
      -7
      There were bad fighters in Iraq, the Syrians are bad fighters, the Armenians are bad fighters, and where are the good fighters? Maybe it's time to admit that our air defense is powerless against drones?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 3 November 2020 08: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: Vladimir Basov
        Maybe it's time to admit that our air defense is powerless against drones?

        Under "our air defense"Do you mean, of course, that the NKR AO has long been outdated, and completely incapable of fighting the Wasps, Cuba and Strela UAVs?"
        And not "Torah", "Armor" and "Tunguska", which the NKR simply does not have?
        1. syndicalist
          syndicalist 3 November 2020 08: 48 New
          -3
          Quote: Insurgent
          And not "Torah", "Armor" and "Tunguska", which the NKR simply does not have?

          Maybe not, but Azerbaijanis nevertheless demonstrated several videos with the destruction of the Shells. Taking into account more than three dozen destroyed in Syria and Libya, this tool can hardly be considered effective even against Turkish drones. Thor's defeat was also reported. Even without video, but the first persons to whom lie is usually not comme il faut.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 3 November 2020 08: 53 New
            -4
            Quote: syndicalist
            Maybe not, but Azerbaijanis nevertheless demonstrated several videos with the destruction of the "Shell".

            You yourself note that - some... NKR JSC did not have systems Air defense, hence the results.
            Quote: syndicalist
            Thor's defeat was also reported. Even without video, but the first persons to whom lie is usually not comme il faut.

            "First persons"? Come on ... Aliev, he's lying, and he doesn't blush ...
            Quote: syndicalist
            Taking into account more than three dozen destroyed in Syria and Libya


            ?? belay
          2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 3 November 2020 11: 12 New
            +1
            "Taking into account more than three dozen destroyed in Syria and Libya, ..."

            This is where this information?
            1. syndicalist
              syndicalist 3 November 2020 12: 54 New
              -3
              Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
              This is where this information?

              Of course, not from the General Staff. Everything from one source. Google enough links to the video yourself. Perhaps even more than I mentioned
              1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Uncle Vanya Susanin 3 November 2020 19: 05 New
                +1
                Googled: Syria + Libya = 8 shells, and 30 is clearly fake stuffing hi
          3. alexmach
            alexmach 3 November 2020 11: 22 New
            +3
            Maybe not, but Azerbaijanis nevertheless demonstrated several videos with the destruction of the Shells.

            What are you talking about. and you can reference where Azerbaijanis demonstrated this
          4. Slon1978
            Slon1978 3 November 2020 12: 11 New
            +2
            I did not see a single defeat of the Armor in NKR, since they simply are not there. In Libya and Syria, there were several successful defeats from Bayraktar and Anka, but there the fact is that (1) the export version of the Carapace C1 was used, supplied from Saudi Arabia - the very first modification of the Carapace, moreover, with castrated (export) functionality and (2) nevertheless, one cannot fail to mention the calculations, their, so to speak, a very disregarding attitude and low training. If you take Pantsir C2 or Pantsir-SM, then this is a serious opponent for a Bayraktar-type UAV. Better still Buk-M3. They cannot be called invulnerable, but if used correctly, they can create a barrier on the line of contact.
          5. Vadim237
            Vadim237 3 November 2020 12: 23 New
            +2
            "Maybe not, but Azerbaijanis nevertheless demonstrated several videos with the destruction of the" Shells "." You can see where they destroy the Shells. "
      2. Livonetc
        Livonetc 3 November 2020 08: 34 New
        0
        Now the army of Karabakh is opposing Azerbaijan and Turkey alone.
        With a multiple superiority of the enemy, he holds the defense.
        What would you suggest to the NKR for a more effective confrontation in such a situation?
        1. Alena-Baku
          Alena-Baku 3 November 2020 08: 57 New
          +3
          Retreat to the borders of Armenia there they are under Russian protection.
    3. Professor
      Professor 3 November 2020 09: 38 New
      -4
      Or maybe they don't hammer? Where is there modern barrage ammunition? Electronic warfare? Advanced drones?
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 3 November 2020 10: 12 New
        +3
        Advanced drones
        they save, they will still be shot down (or they will land and capture, which Iran has already demonstrated)
    4. Typhoon_W
      Typhoon_W 3 November 2020 09: 54 New
      +1
      IMHO in Khmeimim they shot down drones bought for aliexpress or some homemade gliders
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 November 2020 12: 26 New
        +1
        This base has all air defense echeloned and unified in control, and also fighters are available - they will knock down any drone, even the most sophisticated. The air defense of Armenia does not have anything like this, all the radars of the 80s of production and the calculations of the brakes of which you can only look.
  7. D16
    D16 3 November 2020 07: 53 New
    -1
    It is difficult to say who benefits from such an exchange. A cube with its expired missiles is more dangerous to calculate than an enemy drone. I wouldn't be surprised if he was specially left in position to attract the attention of the UAV.
    1. alma
      alma 3 November 2020 08: 08 New
      14
      Well, here you certainly exaggerated the uselessness of "Cuba". More accurate. I feel that minuses are being thrown at you now.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 3 November 2020 09: 49 New
      +2
      What a "Cube" !? There were reports of the destruction of the Krug air defense system!
  8. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 3 November 2020 08: 18 New
    +6
    SAM is not destroyed.
    One of the four self-propelled launchers of the batteries was destroyed.
    The battery retained its combat capability, having three more SPUs and a whole SURN.
    1. huntsman650
      huntsman650 3 November 2020 08: 49 New
      +2
      That's all right! The anti-aircraft missile system consists of: one of the elements is a launcher)))
  9. MY THOUGHT
    MY THOUGHT 3 November 2020 09: 41 New
    +2
    Why beech in the picture
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 3 November 2020 11: 09 New
      +1
      In the picture SPU 2P25 SAM KUB.
  10. alexmach
    alexmach 3 November 2020 11: 20 New
    0
    It's like the beech TZM on the first photo.
  11. Denimax
    Denimax 3 November 2020 14: 44 New
    0
    They need to first organize a fight against the UAVs themselves, small aircraft can help. Yes, like in the First World War. All units should keep an eye on the sky, immediately report the locations of drone strikes.
  12. Gunther
    Gunther 3 November 2020 16: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: Slon1978
    ...... From a thermal imager - impossible, almost impossible. Even for the RF Armed Forces, not to mention the NKR.

    belay
    To begin with, the victims of the Bologna education system should have mastered the school physics course, the optics section - it says that, for example, glass and water that are transparent to visible light, completely absorb thermal radiation (IR).
    And opaque ones, like germanium, transmit thermal radiation, so optics for thermal imagers are made not of glass, but of germanium.
    A sheet of glass (double-glazed windows, polycarbonate) covered with camouflage perfectly hides the thermal circuit.
    Regarding t "through the fog" - the fog consists of the smallest drops of water, the denser it is, the worse the thermal imager "sees", up to complete blindness)))
    Aerosols are used on modern technology - to hide equipment in the visible range, scatter the laser beam and prevent radiation in the infrared range from passing to the thermal imager matrix.

    Regarding "impossible" - two years ago, Russian scientists from Kursk registered an invention:
    "Method of protection against means of fixation of thermal radiation and a device for protection against means of fixation of thermal radiation", patent number: 2 647 346
    So it goes. laughing
  13. Nikanet
    Nikanet 5 November 2020 17: 22 New
    0
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    But I am surprised by the toothlessness of the Armenian army in Karabakh.

    she has no teeth, but the "spirit" ... wink