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Israel Air Force delivery of F-22A consignment is overgrown with details

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Undoubtedly, one of the most notable and significant for the expert analysis of the military-political events of the past week was the announcement by the Israeli, Greek and Arabian news agencies, citing competent sources, that the Defense Ministry and the administration of the current US President Donald Trump approved the request of the Israeli Defense Ministry for the purchase of an unnamed number (probably, we are talking about one squadron of 24 aircraft or an air wing of 48 units) of the 5th generation F-22A "Raptor" multi-role fighters as part of the renewal of the aircraft fleet and increasing the combat stability of Hel Haavir in the Western Asian conventional theater of operations.


Israeli Air Force Command headquarters on F-22A Raptor strikes again at Lightning competitiveness


The most piquant nuance in this situation is that the "green light" for the conclusion of the corresponding contract between the Pentagon and the Israeli Defense Ministry was provided by the Trump administration in a fairly short time, despite the bill ratified by the US Congress back in 1997 and prolonged in 2007, providing for the imposition of an embargo on export sales of the F-22A through foreign military sales (FMS, - "Foreign Military Sales") in order to avoid leakage of critical technologies of these machines. Apparently, this time the majority of votes in favor of lifting the embargo was achieved under the impressive pressure of the Israeli lobby, which is making certain adjustments to the activities of both the Senate and the House of Representatives.

In view of the above circumstances, the following question arises: what provoked such a zealous interest of the Israeli Defense Ministry in the F-22A Raptor multifunctional fighters, as well as such a hasty approval of the Israeli request from Washington?

After all, it is well known that, firstly, during the implementation of the probable contract, far from “fresh” Raptors from the production line of the military-industrial corporation Lockheed Martin will be delivered to the combat units of Hel Haavir (the first was “frozen” by the middle of the second decades of the XXI century), and machines with an impressive period of operation directly from the fighter squadrons of the US Air Force; secondly, within the framework of the contract for the supply of the F-35I "Adir" multipurpose fighters to the Israeli side, the specialists of the defense concerns of the Jewish state and the Hel Haavir flight crew received not only the vehicles brought to the operational readiness level with a full "package" of service from Lockheed ", But also access to the program code of the avionics (including the weapons control system) F-35I.

Access to the above software code, which ensures the stable functioning of the autonomous network-centric information system of logistics ALIS (aggregates into a single "information field" such means of radar, radio-technical and optical-electronic reconnaissance as AN / APG-81 radar, multispectral optical-electronic complex EOTS and infrared complex for detecting heat-contrast targets AN / AAQ-37 DAS), as well as the SUV of F-35I fighters, will provide Israeli Air Force specialists with the opportunity to update the software of the AN / APG-81 onboard radars with the implementation of the electronic countermeasures mode, the hardware reserve for which is due to the presence in the data AFAR-radar of radio frequency tunable filters ("Radio Frequency Tunable Filters"). Moreover, the existence of this program code at the disposal of Israeli specialists provides Hel Haavir with a much wider field of activity in the field of software and hardware integration of Israeli I-Derby-ER air combat missiles into the Adirov ammunition sets, as well as unique air-based anti-missile missiles “Stunner”. equipped with a combined seeker on the basis of a highly sensitive infrared matrix photodetector and an active radar direction finder.

Based on all of the above, we can come to the following conclusions. The primary reasons for the increased interest of the Israeli Air Force in the Raptors that have undergone more than one overhaul (despite their more outdated and less flexible avionics architecture) are, firstly, the presence of AN / APG-77 airborne radars with much more outstanding energy potential than the "lightning" AN / APG-81; and secondly, there is also a noticeably smaller effective reflective surface of the F-22A in comparison with the F-35I (0,07 sq. m versus 0,2 - 0,25 sq. m, respectively).

Against the backdrop of the recent expiration of the embargo on the sale of modern types of weapons to the Islamic Republic of Iran, as well as the likely conclusion between Rosoboronexport and the Iranian defense department of a multibillion-dollar contract for the supply of modern Su-30SM or Su-35S multifunctional fighters to Tehran, equipped with N011M Bars-R airborne radar "And Н035" Irbis-E ", only" Raptor "APG-77 (in conjunction with the above-mentioned EPR of 0,07 sq. M.) Will be able to provide the Israeli Air Force flight personnel with the opportunity to establish parity with the updated Iranian Air Force, which cannot be said on the less powerful AN / APG-81 radars.

An equally significant advantage of the Raptors in theaters of military operations, replete with enemy radar reconnaissance means, is the presence of much more advanced (than the Lightning / Adirov) integrated AN / ALR-94 radiation warning stations, represented by an aperture of 30 distributed over the glider passive multi-band sensors of electromagnetic radiation, providing all-aspect electronic reconnaissance at a distance of up to 460 km from the F-22A with the ability to identify the enemy airborne radar and passive target designation (based on the elevation and azimuth coordinates of the radio-emitting object) long-range air combat missiles AIM-120D after rendezvous with the target at a distance of less than 200 km.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 4 November 2020 05: 34
    +7
    Only 178 of them were built, according to various sources, up to 5 sides crashed, and several cars were never restored from the scabs of those drowned at a military base during a tornado. It turns out that they are not particularly needed by the United States, primarily due to the high cost of operation. Or, we are not told something, or the Israelis are literally eager to buy planes for any money, it is not known in what condition, but it all looks like either some kind of political and military scam, or a "spoiled phone", when a couple of phrases for this or a different topic is mercilessly turned around by the media, which leads to various exaggerated sensations that have no real background.
    1. mark1
      mark1 4 November 2020 06: 06
      +7
      Quote: Thrifty
      It turns out that they are not particularly needed by the United States, primarily due to the high cost of operation.

      All car owners know - the older the car, the higher the cost of operation, you need to sell and buy a new one at the time.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 4 November 2020 06: 19
        +5
        I read the article twice ... but I didn’t know anything about the details request
        The author apparently decided to keep silent about them .... well, or somehow encrypted it in the article! belay
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 4 November 2020 06: 32
          +6
          Quote: Hunter 2
          I read the article twice ... but I didn’t know anything about the details request
          The author apparently decided to keep silent about them .... well, or somehow encrypted it in the article! belay

          Yes gon, it seems to me
          Why does Israel need F22?
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 4 November 2020 06: 36
            +3
            Quote: Krasnodar

            Yes gon, it seems to me
            Why does Israel need F22?

            And detail crying
            In general, today is just a Holiday of some kind, and Damantsev's article and Samsonov's ... there is a reason to drink right in the morning wassat drinks
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 4 November 2020 07: 03
              +3
              National Unity Day + performance characteristics of the Hyperborean aircraft carrier of the Soviet Super-Ethnos Tartaria drinks
          2. ximkim
            ximkim 4 November 2020 08: 17
            +4
            Israel will not buy bad things. And the Air Force is always in business.
          3. Shahno
            Shahno 4 November 2020 14: 14
            0
            The assistance program will be expanded for this business, and for all businesses.
            This, I think, is one of the points on the negotiation process with the UAE. (After the approval of sales by them F35) yet.
            And to scare Iran ...
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 4 November 2020 14: 58
              -1
              Well, if Americans agree, that's not bad
          4. Pavel57
            Pavel57 7 November 2020 23: 29
            +1
            Have an advantage over Iran.
        2. eklmn
          eklmn 4 November 2020 17: 03
          0
          Details are here:
          "US President Allegedly Approves Sale of Modernized F-22s to Israel"
          https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/strike-air-combat/7121-us-president-allegedly-approves-sale-of-upgraded-f-22-to-israel
          (lane google)
          “Unexpectedly, President Donald Trump approved the sale to Israel of an upgraded version of the F-22 Raptor, with several sources claiming that Defense Secretary Mark Esper confirmed the sale to the Israeli authorities during an official visit to Israel, raising the question of whether Australia and other allies such as Japan, access the platform? "
          “In response to the rapidly changing global environment and air combat capabilities, allies in Japan, the UK and across Europe have initiated the development of their own fifth and sixth generation fighters - Japan in particular has been one of the most vocal contenders. on the potential weakness of the US Raptor ban - the beginning of joint development to replace the F-15J with the Japanese Self-Defense Forces (JASDF). "
      2. Recon
        Recon 7 November 2020 14: 40
        0
        It doesn't always work
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 4 November 2020 06: 24
      +3
      The author forgot to write about the most important thing. All information about the supply of 22x to Israel is based on an article in one of the Arab newspapers.
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 4 November 2020 08: 13
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        All information about 22x shipments to Israel is based on an article in one of the Arab newspapers.

        It is clear that today we are not talking about supplies, but all this is not out of the blue.
        the land
        פורסם ב -26.10.20
        יניב קובוביץ
        אחרי העסקה עם האמירויות, ישראל ביקשה מארה"ב מטוסי F – 22 לשימור יתרונה האווירי
        After the deal with the Emirates, Israel requested F-22s from American aircraft to maintain its air superiority.

        F-22 and GBU-57 in Tel Aviv? America Could Soon Sell Israel the World's Stealthiest Fighter and the Biggest Bunker Buster Bomb
        F-22 and GBU-57 in Tel Aviv? America may soon sell Israel the world's most secretive fighter jet and the largest bomb to destroy bunkers
        November 1 2020 city
        https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/f-22-and-gbu-57-in-tel-aviv-america-could-soon-sell-israel-the-world-s-stealthiest-fighter-and-the-biggest-bunker-buster-bomb
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 4 November 2020 15: 52
          +1
          If we only consider this topic, how is Trump's retribution with the Israelis for winning the election?
          And still it is not clear. This F-22 has enough of its disadvantages.
          The plane is still old. Rather, it's a duck.
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 4 November 2020 18: 17
            -2
            Quote: Alex777
            If we only consider this topic, how is Trump's retribution with the Israelis for winning the election?

            you underestimate the cost of elections
          2. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 4 November 2020 18: 26
            0
            Quote: Alex777
            If we only consider this topic, how is Trump's retribution with the Israelis for winning the election?

            How can Israel influence the elections?
            It can only be as a gift (of course for money) before leaving Trump, but it also needs to be approved by Congress.
            Quote: Alex777
            This F-22 has enough of its disadvantages.

            You need a carrier for BGU-57 i.e. glider and engines, everything else will be Israeli, but we have to wait, it won't be tomorrow, if at all.
          3. bang
            bang 5 November 2020 18: 20
            0
            And still it is not clear. This F-22 has enough of its disadvantages.
            The plane is still old.

            The F-22 may be old, but perhaps better than the new F-35.
            Sometimes an old motorcycle is better than a new moped)
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 4 November 2020 07: 46
      -1
      Quote: Thrifty
      Or, we are not told something, or the Israelis are literally eager to buy planes for any money, it is not known in what condition

      The Jews first of all need the technologies that are implemented in the Raptor. I think Jews will replace all electronics for themselves. The lizard will most likely float the mattresses to Jews at a bargain price.
    4. Dmitry V.
      Dmitry V. 6 November 2020 09: 49
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      It turns out that they are not particularly needed by the United States, primarily due to the high cost of operation. Or, we are not told something, or the Israelis are literally eager to buy planes for any money


      An airplane 20 years old (taking into account the first flights of prototypes - 30 years) - R&D does not stand still, since then a lot of things have become obsolete, a lot of new things have been developed.
      It is not for nothing that the Air Force proposes to leave the 30-year cycle and switch to a 15-year cycle in the supply of new aircraft, since modernization is costly.
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 4 November 2020 05: 39
    +5
    Clearly, the old Raptor is better than the new Lightning.
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 4 November 2020 13: 42
      +1
      Better old F22s than old F16s. Otherwise, they can force them to buy, since they buy 35e. Today it is a new trend in trade with the USA. And they were in a hurry because it was not clear whether Trump would remain with his Jewish relative or not. What if Biden wants to sell more old stuff with fu35 than 22e. And so it seemed to hurry up and not quite bought the shit.
  3. Alien From
    Alien From 4 November 2020 05: 40
    +2
    What are the details, Saaa!
  4. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 4 November 2020 05: 56
    +4
    As usual, there are a lot of letters, but nothing about the delivery details.
  5. mmaxx
    mmaxx 4 November 2020 05: 59
    +3
    Probably critical technologies have become less critical anymore. Yes, and testing the plane in real life is certainly interesting. Yet the Israelis have the highest experience of air warfare.
  6. andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 4 November 2020 06: 19
    +4
    The Zionist bourgeoisie, squeezing the last money from its adherents around the world, bought badly flying crafts of the American aircraft industry at a sale. The world behind the scenes feels its end when it will have to buy rubles at 100 rubles per dollar and is trying to compensate for this with clumsy investments in the supported products of the Wright brothers. But all progressive humanity condemns this barbaric step of the Zionist aggression against the peaceful Iranian advance in the Middle East.
    1. Danila46
      Danila46 4 November 2020 13: 32
      +3
      you forgot to add: "GLORY to the Communist Party !!!!" .....
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 November 2020 06: 25
    +1
    Why Israel suddenly needed the F-22 and what political games it plays with the United States, we may find out, but later. And now - Israel has decided to buy planes, so they need them, but for what he himself knows and will not tell anyone, tk. secret. Which is (secretly) perfectly correct.
    1. svp67
      svp67 4 November 2020 06: 31
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Why Israel suddenly needed the F-22 and what political games does it play with the USA

      And you are not surprised that the main strike aircraft of the Israeli Air Force is the F-15, and not the F-16. They rely on a heavier and more armed combat strike aircraft with, again, great capabilities.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 4 November 2020 06: 41
        +2
        You know, it is not surprising. In military terms, Israel lives exclusively with its own mind and does what it considers necessary, including the choice of weapons, because he has to fight himself. Therefore, what is really needed today makes a bet.
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  9. Tsoy
    Tsoy 4 November 2020 06: 54
    -2
    A dull fake worthy of an article from Damantsev. What is there to discuss?
    1. Turanov
      Turanov 4 November 2020 13: 31
      -5
      Quote: Choi
      A dull fake worthy of an article from Damantsev. What is there to discuss?

      Israel Air Force delivery of F-22A consignment is overgrown with details

      As it overgrown and collapsed .. It became so quiet wassat
      Who else wants to speak up? bully
  10. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 4 November 2020 06: 59
    +7
    First of all, in connection with the suppressed lobby of the basely bombing deals in Syria, let's consider the performance characteristics of the Su-30GSM-98, pour 500 rubles, which the IRGC will certainly purchase immediately after the lifting of the sanctions.
    Radar Lynx Turkestanskaya - TurkmenBashi 3895 or Cougar 6x9-54 = 0 deprive a kosher Penguin pregnant from Nerpa F-35iPad BrigAdir to conduct an air battle with a multifunctional super-maneuverable one that has no analogue in the world, but what is there in the world - in the Solar System, by the Sukhoi KB aircraft. Only Minitment II, with the Harop-Banzai-Zade named after him installed on it, is capable of solving this problem. Maiden Tower of Baku. Or the radar F-22.
    The latter is equipped with an AN / AL -23FEB Only target lock warning station. Lets expect a bright holiday 365 days.
    All-round, all-weather, electromagnetic and just cool.
    In addition, the plane is still firing. Multi-azimuth and multi-vector air-to-plane missiles.
    Based on materials from two Arab newspapers and an illustrated Greek edition, Discount Fur Coats - Gamoti Sultan.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 4 November 2020 07: 12
      +6
      Krasnodar hi earlier this edition was called "used herring fur coats at a discount"! lol drinks
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 4 November 2020 07: 23
        0
        Good morning, happy holidays hi Yes, I remember - there was also an article about Tsalka sables, from which they are sewn drinks
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 4 November 2020 08: 52
        0
        Quote: Thrifty
        herring fur coats

        Did you eat the herring under a fur coat? If prepared correctly, then you can swallow your tongue, especially if there is also beer on the table. drinks
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 4 November 2020 12: 00
          0
          Quote: Nagan
          Quote: Thrifty
          herring fur coats

          Did you eat the herring under a fur coat? If prepared correctly, then you can swallow your tongue, especially if there is also beer on the table. drinks

          Better a herring under a fur coat than a fur coat under a herring
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 4 November 2020 08: 20
      +1
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Discount fur coats - Gamoti Sultan.

      Qualis artifex pereo - "Which artist dies"
      Contact Zhvanetsky, someone needs to continue! good drinks
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 4 November 2020 12: 04
        0
        I would go to sew fur coats - let them teach me drinks
        1. Danila46
          Danila46 4 November 2020 13: 39
          0
          What a herring under a fur coat !? FARSHMAK! This is power !!!! (and in our opinion ...........)
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 4 November 2020 13: 42
            0
            Ours has long been Musaka laughing Farshmak remained somewhere in the diaspora))
            1. Danila46
              Danila46 4 November 2020 13: 51
              0
              I hasten to reassure you, and there is still FASHMAK in the Palestinians. In skillful hands, of course. And their (hands) is getting smaller. This is yes.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 4 November 2020 14: 58
                0
                Here I am about the same
        2. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 6 November 2020 18: 22
          +3
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Contact Zhvanetsky, someone needs to continue!

          Well, now, there is no one to learn from, only the memory of him and his works remains.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 November 2020 18: 53
            +1
            Yes, I also recently read this news
            Of blessed memory
            The era is leaving. People are leaving. We are getting old.
  11. Professor
    Professor 4 November 2020 07: 10
    11
    Again, I recognized the author by the title. This author's Iron Dome is already at war in Azerbaijan, and now the F-22 is being supplied to Israel. Administration, such articles should be placed not under the heading "Analytics", the heading "fantasy".
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 November 2020 07: 24
      +6
      Rubric Mira Damantsev and Samsonov's Universe - Irone Dome vs Hyperethnos
    2. Turanov
      Turanov 4 November 2020 13: 33
      -5
      Quote: Professor
      Again, I recognized the author by the title. This author's Iron Dome is already at war in Azerbaijan, and now the F-22 is being supplied to Israel. Administration, such articles should be placed not under the heading "Analytics", the heading "fantasy".

      He scared everyone, with one comment .. laughing Eh people.
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 4 November 2020 07: 30
    +2
    "Maybe they really needed it" (c)
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 4 November 2020 23: 02
      +4
      "Like a dog's fifth leg." (FROM) bully
  13. Operator
    Operator 4 November 2020 08: 41
    -5
    Passive target designation for RVV with a range of 180 km - what is it like? laughing

    EPR 0,07 sqm: Israelis wet dreams, right - 0,2 sqm.

    Otherwise, the author of the article is right - Israel, before the "Penguins" were imposed on it, begged the United States on its knees to hand over the F-22 to it, but this was hampered by the decision of the US Congress and the ban on the export of these aircraft.

    Apparently, in connection with the completion of the development of the Su-57, the ban has been lifted, since all critical technologies have been mastered in Russia.

    "Penguin" - neither fish nor meat. The F-22 is at least a fighter, though without the ability to work on the ground, which means it will be used in tandem with Penguins, F-15 and F-16.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 November 2020 18: 35
      +6
      And he knelt before his father-in-law Kushnir with his newly converted wife, Yael-Ivanka;
      And the merchants of Zhydovin, who sponsored the elections, fell at the feet of the tsar-father of all America;
      Oh, you Shabes Goy-Esi, the great North American autocratic, but they did not lead to execute, they said to have mercy.
      - Listen, Christ-sellers - allied brows frowning, the Emperor answered them.
      - Sell to the Pale of Settlement in Palestine F-22, made by Protestant craftsmen, for the Persians who want to buy the Su-57 Russian, the third piece included in the series, will destroy us ...
      - Let the owner of Chukotka acquire Tramp Tower at a price of 1,5 market prices, and make an IPO under the management company. Give 50% of the shares to my granddaughter of Jewish blood, under my royal administration until Bat Mitzvah Eina.
      On that and decided. And the holiday was great in Tel Aviv.
      - Saved - Matsegryzy, meanly bombing Syria, cheered infernally and slapped themselves on the thighs.
      But you rejoice early - the fourth Su-57 is unobtrusive, but not visible in twos? fellow
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 4 November 2020 18: 43
        0
        Quote: Krasnodar
        And he knelt before his father-in-law Kushnir with his newly converted wife, Yael-Ivanka;

        Well, you are going to sew fur coats. Take away, stale, bread from Elena Fuxt.
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        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 4 November 2020 18: 53
          +1
          In the Russian Federation, in terms of humor, the Armenians ousted us)). TNT, etc.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 4 November 2020 20: 28
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            In the Russian Federation, in terms of humor, the Armenians ousted us)). TNT, etc.

            You need to be fresh, they are already boring, but you do it and how it looks more relevant.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 4 November 2020 20: 34
              +1
              I have fresh vegetables and fruits Wholesale - Azerbaijani business laughing
      2. Firelake
        Firelake 5 November 2020 15: 37
        +2
        I stole it. Incredibly cool. I give a standing ovation. And I take off my hat to you)
      3. Iris
        Iris 6 November 2020 20: 29
        +1
        With your permission, I will carry it off too)) This is great, 10 points !! hi
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 4 November 2020 18: 48
      +2
      Quote: Operator
      "Penguin" - neither fish nor meat.

      Well, what are you, no comparison! laughing
      1. Operator
        Operator 4 November 2020 19: 25
        -2
        What does fish eggs have to do with it? laughing
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 4 November 2020 20: 17
          0
          Quote: Operator
          What does fish eggs have to do with it?

          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          neither fish nor fowl

          Fish, so what to do with it, but like its eggs, it already bothers you.
          1. Operator
            Operator 4 November 2020 22: 59
            -4
            And what, embryos in fish eggs are no longer fish, but, for example, matzo? laughing
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 4 November 2020 23: 22
              +1
              No. Embryos in black fish eggs are the third most recognizable national symbol of our country in the world after vodka and nesting dolls. soldier
              1. Operator
                Operator 5 November 2020 01: 20
                -1
                That's right: fish is a symbol laughing
            2. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 4 November 2020 23: 59
              0
              Quote: Operator
              Why, embryos in fish eggs are no longer fish

              We started for health.
              "Penguin" - neither fish nor meat.
              We went over.
              Why, embryos in fish eggs are no longer fish
              And realizing that you went "to the wrong steppe", you try to go over to humiliation.
              and, for example, matzo?
              It is not clear how matzo relates to the F-35. And why did she get up across your throat.
              Don't eat it, it's not for you.
              Now let's get back to the so-called "penguin".
              You are amazed at what UAVs are doing in Nagorno-Karabakh.
              So this is not even a warm-up.
              One "Penguin" will bring about 50 little "penguins", to whom he will explain what bush they are spying on and eavesdropping on, within an hour no one will see or hear anything.
              A "penguin" or "penguins" will use satellites 2-3 squadrons F-15 F-16 or the very bad Laura, on everything that is left without cover, and they themselves will cover them from far, far away.
              And you still have catch-ups and battering rams in your head. And MATSA!
              1. Operator
                Operator 5 November 2020 01: 15
                -5
                You are entangled in three pines: if caviar is a fish, then it is not "Penguin" by definition laughing

                What are the satellites on the field of a combined arms battle, where the situation changes several times more often than optical reconnaissance satellites with a scanty width of the field of view fly over it?

                And what is the connection between self-sufficient UAVs (as part of the RUG) and front-line aviation, which in modern conditions is no different from MLRS with URS?

                You (not otherwise than after the abuse of matzo) are clearly confusing the Arab-Armenian rogues with the RA, the Aerospace Forces and the Strategic Missile Forces.
                1. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 5 November 2020 07: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Operator
                  What are the satellites on the field of combined arms battle

                  Israeli! Every 16 minutes over the territory that needs to be serviced, and if we add the American ones, for which Israel received if necessary, then this is new information every 10 minutes.
                  Quote: Operator
                  clearly confuse the Arab-Armenian rogues with the RA, Aerospace Forces and Strategic Missile Forces.

                  You got so excited that you didn’t notice, I didn’t name any state, army or association.
                  Each Abram has his own program.
                  Israel has one enemy who, just like you, wants its destruction.
                  How people of a certain nationality are guessing:
                  "EMPTY SLOPPES, IN THE STATE HOUSE!"
  14. Turanov
    Turanov 4 November 2020 09: 01
    -9
    Again they are plotting something against Russia and Iran! These will not just lag behind until they get raked ..
    1. Danila46
      Danila46 4 November 2020 13: 42
      +6
      don't read scary American comics before bed. You see, you already see rabbis in raptors, attacking Russia ...
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 4 November 2020 14: 05
        -6
        Quote: Danila46
        don't read scary American comics before bed. You see, you already see rabbis in raptors, attacking Russia ...

        If only they seemed)))) They are already acting at -2000 and how harmoniously ..
        This people is incorrigible laughing And on TV and in newspapers and even here already .. hi
        1. Danila46
          Danila46 4 November 2020 14: 51
          0
          we can't fix the whole nation, in your understanding? or is it some of its representatives (again, in your opinion)? most likely you are not offended when some adherents, in the same form speak about the Russian people? or are you offended?
          1. Turanov
            Turanov 4 November 2020 15: 14
            -11 qualifying.
            Quote: Danila46
            we can't fix the whole nation, in your understanding? or is it some of its representatives (again, in your opinion)? most likely you are not offended when some adherents, in the same form speak about the Russian people? or are you offended?

            I judge by the minuses active about the representatives of this secretive people ..)))))
            I remember them all here with skulls before)))) Everyone complained bully Now we are taught and squeezed hi Well, in principle, what else can I say .. Not everyone obeyed the kagal yet angry
            1. andreykolesov123
              andreykolesov123 4 November 2020 18: 42
              +4
              Quote: Turanov
              Quote: Danila46
              we can't fix the whole nation, in your understanding? or is it some of its representatives (again, in your opinion)? most likely you are not offended when some adherents, in the same form speak about the Russian people? or are you offended?

              I judge by the minuses active about the representatives of this secretive people ..)))))
              I remember them all here with skulls before)))) Everyone complained bully Now we are taught and squeezed hi Well, in principle, what else can I say .. Not everyone obeyed the kagal yet angry

              Come on Meehan. You are the mind, honor and conscience of our era. A lonely torch of the fight against the Jewish yoke. The Lord whose boots trample the universe
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 4 November 2020 19: 04
                +2
                How dare you call the site's Tomoguchi Fecal ??? Would be ashamed, cosmopolitan rootless, tribal and ophthalmologist of Damascus from behind the Lebanese corner secretly offending am
                1. andreykolesov123
                  andreykolesov123 4 November 2020 20: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  How dare you call the site's Tomoguchi Fecal ??? Would be ashamed, cosmopolitan rootless, tribal and ophthalmologist of Damascus from behind the Lebanese corner secretly offending am

                  Imperialist Zionism will not work. Meehan and I will uproot these roots of the Zionist neoplasm .. We will bring all the sidelocks in a pile on this resource to clean water.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 4 November 2020 20: 40
                    +3
                    The base interests of the "Israeli" scribblers do not allow them to declare their defeat in the VO from the voice of Russia - Vitaly Mikhanovich Khekhov, whose sharp word, keen eye and, most importantly, sober mind, coupled with solid military experience, allow the veteran of the fight against chronic alcoholism to win everything intellectual battles with the hirelings of the six-pointed World Liberation
        2. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 4 November 2020 20: 34
          +2
          Quote: Turanov
          This people is incorrigible

          For three thousand years it has not changed, for these millennia those who wanted to change them simply disappeared, and you here at once want to change someone for yourself.
      2. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 4 November 2020 15: 34
        +5
        Quote: Danila46
        don't read scary American comics before bed. You see, you already see rabbis in raptors, attacking Russia ...

        The orderlies did not keep track of, they did not confiscate the magazine with pictures. lol
        So Meehan got excited, sweeping a blizzard.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 November 2020 18: 55
      0
      Quote: Turanov
      Again they are plotting something against Russia and Iran! These will not just lag behind until they get raked ..

      Have you been taught about Reptors at the military department of the Institute of Cutting and Sewing, hehe? what
    3. karima
      karima 4 November 2020 20: 24
      -1
      Quote: Turanov
      Again they are plotting something against Russia and Iran! These will not just lag behind until they get raked ..
      You Meehan just didn’t name who will get it. The memory of cha became girlish, short.
  15. Raven 95
    Raven 95 4 November 2020 11: 59
    +6
    If we assume that this is not a fake, then why the hell do the Jews have an air superiority plane?
    Who has such an air force in that area that they needed an F-22 to counter them?
    Let's see the map:
    Iran? Iraq, Syria, Egypt? Hardly.
    And then the finger on the map rests on an inconspicuous point with the name Khmeimim.
    And what if there is a point close by, where military aircraft are based, incl. fifth generation (Su-57), albeit not permanently, albeit on a rotational basis, state-owned relations with which are not allied, it means that the Ministry of Defense is simply obliged to perceive this as a hypothetical threat and develop an action plan to counter these threats.
    1. Danila46
      Danila46 4 November 2020 13: 44
      +5
      And you also need to calm down. Is there cold water in the fridge?
    2. DEVIL LIFE`S
      DEVIL LIFE`S 4 November 2020 15: 45
      +1
      Egypt bought 26 units of Su 35 s
    3. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 4 November 2020 18: 38
      +1
      Quote: Raven-95
      And then the finger on the map rests on an inconspicuous point with the name Khmeimim.

      And then Ostap (Crow-95) suffered.
      The only one who cares about Khmeimim is VKS, and of course YOU lol
  16. evgen1221
    evgen1221 4 November 2020 12: 00
    -2
    And more definitely in any way, either 24 or 48 and maybe 1 or maybe 0 and there is still reason to believe that 100500 million. And further clever words on what facts xs.
  17. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 4 November 2020 12: 10
    +1
    Found something to discuss? If Biden wins, then he will flood half of the world with Iranian oil, and there are no Jewish sons-in-law. And he wants to return to a deal with Iran. So tomorrow is not until F 22, the conversation will be on VO. hi drinks
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 4 November 2020 22: 20
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      If Biden wins, he will flood half of the world with Iranian oil, and there are no Jewish sons-in-law.

      We survived Obama, we will survive Biden too,
      If you remember, the ring of King Solomon.
      "Everything passes and this will pass."
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 4 November 2020 22: 54
        +2
        You will definitely survive the can, with this body Trump is going to fight for the presidency! hi drinks
  18. Turanov
    Turanov 4 November 2020 12: 29
    -7
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Found something to discuss? If Biden wins, then he will flood half of the world with Iranian oil, and there are no Jewish sons-in-law. And he wants to return to a deal with Iran. So tomorrow is not until F 22, the conversation will be on VO.

    Interesting opinion .. hi Then I see a lull here, the members of the forum from Israel explained EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING died out sharply wassat
  19. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 4 November 2020 14: 44
    +1
    If this is not a fake, then there are two options:

    1. Israel for some reason wants to urgently update the aircraft fleet faster than it is possible to supply the F-35.

    2. It is time to write off the raptors in the medium term. By selling them (and obviously not cheap), you can buy an F-35 instead, additionally loading production.

    Well, or both options at once.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 5 November 2020 01: 01
      +1
      There is a third option - the United States wants to reassure Israel on the fact of the deal to sell the F-35 to Saudi Arabia.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 5 November 2020 02: 36
        0
        The F-22 is too specific for such a case. Although...
  20. Andylw
    Andylw 4 November 2020 17: 02
    -2
    "parity" between f22 and modernized Soviet Su-30SM or Su-35S)))
    scream
  21. Shahno
    Shahno 4 November 2020 18: 50
    +2
    Quote: Operator
    Passive target designation for RVV with a range of 180 km - what is it like? laughing

    EPR 0,07 sqm: Israelis wet dreams, right - 0,2 sqm.

    Otherwise, the author of the article is right - Israel, before the "Penguins" were imposed on it, begged the United States on its knees to hand over the F-22 to it, but this was hampered by the decision of the US Congress and the ban on the export of these aircraft.

    Apparently, in connection with the completion of the development of the Su-57, the ban has been lifted, since all critical technologies have been mastered in Russia.

    "Penguin" - neither fish nor meat. The F-22 is at least a fighter, though without the ability to work on the ground, which means it will be used in tandem with Penguins, F-15 and F-16.

    Now we restart the program. Tsakhal has a modified F22-F35-Harop bundle ...
    Ps. These are only plans, but still. Not nice for any air defense ..
  22. The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 5 November 2020 00: 54
    0
    access to the program code of the avionics (including the weapons control system) F-35I.


    I would like to know more about this. Did they give them the source code of the onboard software? And even with the right to modify? This is somehow doubtful.
  23. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 5 November 2020 07: 46
    -1
    It will be funny if Israel gets old junk, good cars are not so easy to get rid of.
    Maybe we are talking about the restoration of production? There are buyers for such equipment.
  24. Abdula
    Abdula 5 November 2020 10: 56
    -1
    Quote: Professor
    Again, I recognized the author by the title. This author's Iron Dome is already at war in Azerbaijan, and now the F-22 is being supplied to Israel. Administration, such articles should be placed not under the heading "Analytics", the heading "fantasy".
    strange of course for an Israelite who does not know what is happening in his country. Or read not Hebrew well, not like https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.israelhayom.co.il/interactive/amp/article/815621
  25. Operator
    Operator 5 November 2020 12: 23
    -1
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Israeli! Every 16 minutes

    We are talking about satellites of species reconnaissance, distinguishing firing positions on the battlefield, and military equipment, which has a habit of constantly changing positions, so cut the sturgeon by an order of magnitude.
  26. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 6 November 2020 09: 14
    0
    It is not entirely clear where the United States will get 24 of these machines? They will not be able to build, since the conveyor is no longer there, and no one will give them away from their Air Force.
  27. yfast
    yfast 6 November 2020 10: 58
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Again, I recognized the author by the title. This author's Iron Dome is already at war in Azerbaijan, and now the F-22 is being supplied to Israel.

    The article is overloaded with "multispectrality".
  28. Shahno
    Shahno 7 November 2020 18: 33
    0
    Quote: FRoman1984
    It is not entirely clear where the United States will get 24 of these machines? They will not be able to build, since the conveyor is no longer there, and no one will give them away from their Air Force.

    People say the line is being reanimated. They are already hinting at our engineers .... I do not think they will write off their Air Force. Although, this is definitely not a bluff, but rather a pilot project.
    Nobody knows how, but many want to. On both sides, as it were.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 7 November 2020 19: 23
      0
      Quote: Shahno
      Nobody knows how, but many want to. On both sides, as it were.

      Here is today's information.
      PUBLISHED SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 07 2020 11:01

      Israeli officials have denied reports of the sale of an F-22 Raptor to Israel, according to information released by Israel. On November 3, 2020, Air Recognition reported that the United States had given the green light to sell the F-22 Raptor to Israel, according to information released by Saudi Arabia's Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper, citing senior sources in Tel Aviv.

      While the fog.
  29. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 8 November 2020 02: 13
    0
    Quote: ximkim
    Israel will not buy bad things.

    Greatly exaggerated.
    Corruption is normal. Under Nenatyahu, such schematics are turned around, which is amazing.
    Another question is how the Iranians will answer the impudent Zionists?
  30. Outsider
    Outsider 8 November 2020 17: 14
    0
    - Ridiculous nonsense.