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Iran announced that there is a "simple plan" for a complete settlement of the Karabakh conflict

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Tehran's efforts are aimed at establishing peace in Nagorno-Karabakh. In this region, where it is not possible to stop hostilities in any way, Iran proposes not to limit itself to an armistice, but to resolve the issue radically.


Said Khatibzade, an official representative of the Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Iran, said this at a briefing today.

He also said that Tehran expects a response from other states in the region to the "simple plan" proposed by the Islamic Republic to resolve the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Last week, the special envoy of the president for the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and deputy foreign minister of Iran Abbas Arakchi paid visits to Azerbaijan, Armenia, Russia and Turkey, familiarizing the leadership of the listed countries with the plan proposed by Tehran.



According to the special representative, it is based on internationally recognized principles, including the inviolability of borders, respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of states, the return of refugees to their homes and respect for the rights of national minorities.

A realistic view, a regional approach and the participation of influential countries in the region are the content of the Iranian plan. And this simple plan within the framework of a regional partnership is intended to address this issue and encourage both parties to fulfill the requirements and obligations

- said Arakchi in an interview with the Azerbaijani TV channel ITV.

Meanwhile, fighting in Karabakh has not subsided for the second month. Both sides report about fortitude, victories, and also that "the enemy is about to be broken." At the same time, everything goes to the fact that an armed conflict can drag on for a long time, if it is not extinguished now. And Iran decided to act politically and diplomatically more actively, making it clear that it does not need a war on its borders.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 November 2020 13: 26
    +7
    Introduce the IRGC division into the territory of Artsakh, and all the "sha" ... But what, these can! laughing
    1. vlad.baryatinsky
      vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 13: 41
      -7
      Hello!
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Introduce the IRGC division into Artsakh, and all "sha

      As they enter, they will forget the exit. Both sides will be disassembled into molecules.
      If serious. That such a "gift" sleeps and sees Israel, the United States and Turkey.
      I think it would be superfluous to remind you what will happen to the ayatols. Karabakh in this situation will fade into the background.
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 2 November 2020 13: 51
        +8
        Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
        Both sides will be disassembled into molecules.

        Then the Houthis will come and disperse everyone ... Joke))
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 2 November 2020 15: 23
          +7
          And this simple plan within the framework of a regional partnership is intended to address this issue and encourage both parties to fulfill the requirements and obligations

          And what kind of plan is that?
          Or is it they, like in a joke, traveled all the countries with their "plan"?
          1. Bogatyrev
            Bogatyrev 3 November 2020 19: 55
            +1
            Simply put, they propose to give Karabakh to Azerbaijan, giving them some autonomy, but leaving the military control of Baku. Given that everyone understands that Baku does not recognize any rights of Armenians to Karabakh and will do everything so that they are not there in the long term, this is tantamount to surrender.
            I think the Armenians will not agree to this and will stand up to the last soldier.
      2. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 2 November 2020 14: 56
        +3
        Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
        That such a "gift" sleeps and sees Israel, the United States and Turkey.

        I don’t know how it is for the United States and Turkey, but Israel’s Karabakh is certainly purple. hi
        1. vlad.baryatinsky
          vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 15: 04
          0
          Hello!
          Quote: A. Privalov
          but Israel's Karabakh is certainly purple.

          I was referring to an excuse to rein in Iran. Considering that Israel highly appreciates Az. As an ally in the South. The Caucasus. Link to Avigdor Lieberman.
          At the moment, the Leader of the party * Our House Israel *.
          1. MTN
            MTN 2 November 2020 15: 10
            +1
            Quote: A. Privalov
            but Israel's Karabakh is certainly purple.

            In my opinion, no one read the article to the end. If not understood, Iran has merged Armenia.

            Iran also merged Armenia.
            According to the special representative, he based on internationally recognized principles, including the inviolability of borders, respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of statesreturning refugees to their homes

            If nobody understood, then Iran is for the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.
            1. vlad.baryatinsky
              vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 15: 21
              0
              Salam!
              Quote: MTN
              In my opinion, no one read the article to the end.

              I think you read it after all. They just didn't understand the meaning of the article.
              Quote: MTN
              If not understood, Iran has merged Armenia.

              Possible.
              And most likely the instinct of self-preservation worked.
              Given at the moment, without exaggeration, the close attention of key powers to the conflict.
              Try to avoid unnecessary "body movements".
              1. MTN
                MTN 2 November 2020 15: 46
                +1
                Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
                I think you read it after all. They just didn't understand the meaning of the article.

                You may be right.

                Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
                Given at the moment, without exaggeration, the close attention of key powers to the conflict.

                There is such a thing, then it was necessary to simply refrain from interviews, but he publicly and openly says that we are for territorial integrity. Borders should not be changed. And also let other peoples live within Azerbaijan. The Foreign Ministry says openly, this is a slap in the face for the Iranian-Armenian love.
                1. vlad.baryatinsky
                  vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 15: 54
                  -1
                  Quote: MTN
                  There is such a thing, then you just had to refrain from interviews,

                  Ambition!
                  This is what drives the ayatolas. Give importance to its status as a regional power and try to seize the "levers" of settlement from the Russian Federation or the United States.
                  1. MTN
                    MTN 2 November 2020 16: 03
                    -2
                    Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
                    Give importance to its status as a regional power and try to seize the "levers" of settlement from the Russian Federation or the United States.

                    Of course, Iran has significance, but not like everyone thinks. Believe me, if NATO gets together, Iran will be torn to shreds. Iran will not be able to resist NATO. Even 1 Israel can handle Iran. The Iranian army is widely blacklisted.
                    1. vlad.baryatinsky
                      vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 17: 27
                      -3
                      Quote: MTN
                      Believe me, if NATO gets together, Iran will be torn to shreds.

                      I totally agree with you!
                      Quote: MTN
                      Even 1 Israel can handle Iran. The Iranian army is widely blacklisted.

                      I do not feel a shadow of doubt about the outcome of this confrontation.
                    2. K-612-O
                      K-612-O 2 November 2020 19: 47
                      +2
                      Well, then, it wasn't NATO that was not torn for the Iranian base? Or do several thousand medium-range missiles and a huge mob resource influence this? And it’s easier to arrange a coup in Baku and throw off your sinnite-lackey.
            2. Diverter
              Diverter 2 November 2020 15: 30
              0
              Well, Iran leaked Armenia. So what? We only need Armenia as a base for Turkey. Everything! It is no longer needed in its current form!
              1. MTN
                MTN 2 November 2020 16: 03
                -2
                Quote: Saboteur
                Well, Iran leaked Armenia. So what?

                Hana that's what!
                1. Diverter
                  Diverter 5 November 2020 20: 05
                  0
                  to whom? Armenia? nothing will happen to her, because no one will climb into her territory. But the current regime in Armenia may have a khan. Nuuuuu and good))
            3. bayard
              bayard 2 November 2020 21: 17
              0
              Quote: MTN
              If nobody understood, then Iran is for the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.

              And this is good . And even true.
              If anyone has not noticed, in general, Armenia in Karabakh has already been drained. Because "it's her own fault."
              And in everything.
              And of course, the neighbors of Azerbaijan (and Armenia) do not need a war in the region, so initiatives have been launched, and all of them ignore the Armenian ambitions in Karabakh.
              Remove Pashinyan, bring him to justice, put someone sane and negotiate. Moreover, the window in the agreements is ONLY on cultural autonomy within Azerbaijan and complete demilitarization.
              That's life .
              In all the severity of their laws.
        2. Civil
          Civil 2 November 2020 15: 21
          +1


          But seriously, you can't put the minced meat back into the cow. It was this peaceful situation that was at the very beginning of the war in the late 80s. There cave Nazism on both sides.
        3. fa2998
          fa2998 2 November 2020 17: 17
          0
          In the eternal Israel-Iran confrontation, when troops are deployed to Karabakh, Iran, represented by the "world community", will be an AGGRESSOR. Naturally, condemnation and sanctions. To the joy of Israel.
      3. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 2 November 2020 15: 03
        +2
        Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
        If serious. That such a "gift" sleeps and sees Israel, the United States and Turkey

        Nothing will happen. There will be elections tomorrow. For a month or two, foreign policy activity will be paralyzed. Israel versus Iran without the US? Unlikely. Turkey? Well, she'll get it in the nose ... hard.
  2. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 2 November 2020 13: 29
    12
    According to the special representative, it is based on internationally recognized principles, including the inviolability of borders, respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of states, the return of refugees to their homes and respect for the rights of national minorities.

    That is, the Armenians are offered to leave Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh), which is unacceptable for them, or to live already within Azerbaijan, which is hardly possible in reality.
    1. novel66
      novel66 2 November 2020 14: 12
      +7
      it's called: simplicity is worse than stealing
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 November 2020 14: 59
      0
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      That is, the Armenians are invited to leave Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh), which is unacceptable for them or to live already within Azerbaijan.

      Well, it turns out that there is no way out of the impasse.
  3. Operator
    Operator 2 November 2020 13: 32
    +9
    The Iranian plan completely coincides with the Azerbaijani one: the return of Karabakh and neighboring regions to the jurisdiction of Azerbaijan with guarantees to the Armenian minority from Iran and Turkey, which translated into Russian means a quick deportation of Armenians to Armenia under the expression of Iran and Turkey's concerns.

    International law is strong, however.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 2 November 2020 13: 37
      +5
      In vain Iran is on the side of Azerbaijan. The Azerbaijanis are deciding the Karabakh issue and will continue to closely support separatism, the lands inhabited by Azerbaijanis in Iran. Turkey and Israel, the Arabs will unite in a possible war against Iran. It will be beneficial for them to crush Iran.
      1. MTN
        MTN 2 November 2020 16: 07
        -2
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        In vain Iran is on the side of Azerbaijan.

        There are 30 million Azerbaijanis living there. Do you think this is a joke? Half of the Iranian army are Turks.

        Quote: OrangeBigg
        The Azerbaijanis will solve the Karabakh issue and will further engage in close support of separatism, the lands inhabited by Azerbaijanis that are part of Iran.

        If Azerbaijan wanted to engage in separatism, it would have done it earlier. Iran has enough "FRIENDS" and without Azerbaijan there will be enough separatism.

        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Turkey and Israel, Arabs will unite in a possible war against Iran

        Alas, it's a matter of time. After Syria, Iran's turn.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 2 November 2020 16: 35
          +3
          Quote: MTN
          There are 30 million Azerbaijanis living there.

          You haven't overestimated the figure too much? 16% is 13 million.
          Quote: MTN
          Half of the Iranian army is the Turki

          Again, how was it calculated?
  4. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 2 November 2020 13: 32
    +1
    Lavrov-Cavusoglu pact: will Karabakh be exchanged for a "corridor" for Baku to Nakhichevan?
    The true goal of Azerbaijan is to create an Islamic crescent throughout the Caucasus.
    An article in the "Free Press".
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 2 November 2020 16: 22
      +2
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      Lavrov-Cavusoglu pact: will Karabakh be exchanged for a "corridor" for Baku to Nakhichevan?
      The true goal of Azerbaijan is to create an Islamic crescent throughout the Caucasus

      If this happens, Armenia will lose its border with Iran, the last friendly neighbor.
      And then the very existence of Armenia will depend solely on the goodwill of its neighbors.
      1. gurzuf
        gurzuf 2 November 2020 17: 47
        0
        Not only and not so much from the "goodwill of the neighbors", but again from Russia and from the treaty that exists now and which was mentioned by the GDP.
      2. Buka001
        Buka001 2 November 2020 17: 48
        +1
        Armenia already exists, solely from the goodwill of Russia. But something in their heads has gone bad in the last few years, it seems like total madness. Bark and snap at mother Russia)))
      3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 2 November 2020 17: 50
        -1
        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        If this happens, Armenia will lose its border with Iran, the last friendly neighbor.
        And then the very existence of Armenia will depend solely on the goodwill of its neighbors.

        Yes, I just gave a different opinion, and of course there are a number of incomprehensible ways of resettling people, and whether Iran will be a friend for a long time is also unknown.
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 2 November 2020 13: 32
    +6
    Even I did not understand, in this plan. The return of refugees, respect for the rights of minorities. This is the language of diplomacy. If this is said to the Azerbaijani channel, then everything is clear in the position of Iran. Again, Armenians are a bummer! repeat
  6. Tank hard
    Tank hard 2 November 2020 13: 34
    +3
    Yeah .., divorced peacekeepers. repeat
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 2 November 2020 13: 42
      +5
      At the expense of others. You Armenians leave their homes and the war will end.
      1. MTN
        MTN 2 November 2020 16: 08
        +3
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        You Armenians are leaving their homes and the war will end.

        But sarcasm is no longer necessary. The Armenians are allowed to sit at home and then the Azerbaijanis can be driven away? or the 2nd are not people?
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 3 November 2020 01: 11
          0
          Quote: MTN
          or the 2nd are not people?

          and those and those people, just the latter are no better than the first wink
  7. KAVBER
    KAVBER 2 November 2020 13: 37
    +8
    Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan are returning to Russia as republics and Russia is putting things in order there, this is the most correct plan for resolving the situation in this region. Yes, and Mount Ararat must return to us.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 2 November 2020 13: 45
      +5
      So far, everything is going to the fact that the countries you named will eventually become part of the new Ottoman Empire. Turkey bought Georgia and Azerbaijan with giblets, over time, thanks to the pro-American Pashinyans, will buy Armenia. Then comes the war of the pro-Western coalition with the pro-Chinese Iran. Now just for this, the clearing is being cleared.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 2 November 2020 14: 53
        +2
        No, the great Ottoman Empire, if you believe the history of the southern coast of the Mediterranean to France was. So to the west and only to the west. Especially since there are many Masulman in Europe. Hands off Iran!
      2. MTN
        MTN 2 November 2020 16: 10
        -2
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        This is followed by the war of the pro-Western coalition with the pro-Chinese Iran.

        laughing
        What else aboutChinese))) This is something new. Trust me, if the West wants to, without 1 shot, it will send the Chinese economy to the Qin Dynasty.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 2 November 2020 16: 33
          +5
          Quote: MTN
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          This is followed by the war of the pro-Western coalition with the pro-Chinese Iran.

          laughing
          What else aboutChinese))) This is something new. Trust me, if the West wants to, without 1 shot, it will send the Chinese economy to the Qin Dynasty.


          The West has not yet wanted to send China into the Qin Dynasty, or has it not? You're funny. In a couple of years, China will replace the United States, just as Chinese smartphones replaced Apple products. The first economy in the world is now China. And your current ideas about China were correct 20 years ago, but today are hopelessly outdated. Do not live in the past.
    2. Ganja
      Ganja 2 November 2020 14: 24
      -7
      Strange, but where until 1991 were all the republics, by and large? After the establishment of the Soviet power, the Armenians, starting from 1946, were doing ethnic cleansing and cutting off the territory of Azerbaijan outside Nagorno-Karabakh. A reasonable question arises: Where was the Kremlin looking? The answer is simple: In the pocket, as well as nepotism and other not very fraternal things from the side of the Armenians. Result: there is no Soviet Union. It turns out that we all went through this period. Thank you no more
    3. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 2 November 2020 14: 28
      +6
      Quote: KAVBER
      Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijanis return to Russia as republics, and Russia is putting things in order there,

      It seems to me that Chechnya and Dagestan are enough for us. Here angry already sitting .. So let Armenia and Azerbaijanis return their diaspora to their historical homeland and fight to the last drop of blood!
    4. Rubina
      Rubina 2 November 2020 15: 15
      +1
      And remind me when you took Mount Ararat so that she would return to you?
      1. MTN
        MTN 2 November 2020 15: 50
        -1
        Quote: Rubina
        And remind me when you took Mount Ararat so that she would return to you?

        That's a very good question. When I studied in Europe, ask any Kurd where you came from, everyone answers from Kurdistan. Many people think that there is such a poor country, which the Turks and everyone do not allow to live in peace. True, I always shouted from the place, show on the map where this country is located ..... Sha-ka-ly !!!! So I put them out. Likewise, their friends, the Armenians, help the poor "People of Par-tsakh" Everyone begins to think that a poor country like Par-tsakh does not allow poor people to live by evil Turks. This is how these cunningly (_, _) throw the whole world.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 2 November 2020 16: 16
          +3
          I always shouted from the place, show on the map where this country is ...

          So because of the fighting that erupts from time to time in southeastern Turkey, you will not see Kurdistan on the map. But you will not deny the existence of Kurds?
          1. gurzuf
            gurzuf 2 November 2020 17: 54
            0
            Yes, by the way, if it goes on like this, then indeed the Kurds will have to be supported in their holy struggle for their independence.
    5. Hello from Baku
      Hello from Baku 2 November 2020 16: 45
      +2
      Not a fan of VVP, but he sometimes speaks very accurately, I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the quote, no offense, the meaning - Whoever does not regret the collapse of the Union does not have a heart, who wants to restore has no mind.
      1. KAVBER
        KAVBER 2 November 2020 17: 07
        +2
        And no one is talking about the restoration of the USSR, then the outskirts were treated like brothers, but the brothers stuck a knife in the back, when Russia got a little sick, now everything should be different
        1. Hello from Baku
          Hello from Baku 2 November 2020 17: 12
          0
          Who exactly?
        2. Buka001
          Buka001 2 November 2020 18: 03
          +1
          Dear, Azerbaijan also thought and believed that all the brothers gave part of the land, natural resources, etc., but in return received a knife in the back. The younger sister Armenia stuck the knife, and the older brother of the RSFSR for some reason supported her. And there is no answer why and why. Many Baku Armenians and Russians, leaving Bauu, were crying and they were thrown away by the Azeris. And they didn't cut like the Armenians !!! Even the Armenian singer Bokko sings a song about Baku, my city is called mine (https://youtu.be/S5ddxu-ZwC4) Listen and this will be an answer to what people of another nation feel who left Azerbaijan because of these events.
    6. paul3390
      paul3390 2 November 2020 17: 49
      +2
      Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijanis return to Russia as republics

      And what the hell to us ??? Or do we have an acute shortage of Armenians and Azerbaijanis in Russia?
  8. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 2 November 2020 13: 41
    0
    And at this time in Poland, riots began ... Sorosyats destabilize all border regions, the reason is the alleged ban on abortions.
    President Andrzej Duda tried to smooth over the situation. He introduced a bill to parliament allowing the termination of pregnancy if the death of a child is imminent.

    "Together with experts, norms should be prepared so that, for example, children with Down syndrome are protected, and women are not subjected to physical and psychological suffering. I expected the Constitutional Court to leave time to clarify the norms in this area," the Polish president said.
    1. novel66
      novel66 2 November 2020 14: 14
      +2
      maybe teach them to protect themselves? lol Ruslan hi
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 2 November 2020 14: 19
        0
        Novel, hi , it would be better to teach people in Ukraine, Armenia, Poland, Georgia, USA, Kyrgyzstan, Belarus, Russia not to arrange Maidan and other riots to the drum of Soros and liberal financial globalists?
        1. Grits
          Grits 2 November 2020 14: 51
          +9
          Quote: Tank jacket
          it would be better to teach people in Ukraine, Armenia, Poland, Georgia, USA, Kyrgyzstan, Belarus, Russia not to arrange Maidan and other disorder

          Personally, I am FOR the riots in the USA
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 2 November 2020 14: 57
            0
            I can imagine Black Life Matter or some other gangs have seized a nuclear power plant or a warehouse with nuclear weapons.
            1. Grits
              Grits 2 November 2020 15: 10
              +2
              Quote: Tank jacket
              I can imagine Black Life Matter or some other gangs have seized a nuclear power plant or a warehouse with nuclear weapons.

              And for God's sake. They won't be able to launch in our direction anyway. But they themselves will quickly die. The whole world will only give a standing ovation to such gangs.
          2. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 2 November 2020 16: 27
            +2
            Quote: Gritsa
            Personally, I am FOR the riots in the USA

            And what exactly do you have against the riots in England, France, Poland, Germany, Turkey and other NATO countries?
            1. Grits
              Grits 3 November 2020 11: 36
              +1
              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              And what exactly do you have against the riots in England, France, Poland, Germany, Turkey and other NATO countries?

              I have nothing against it. But in the USA it is much more sincere.
              1. Captain Pushkin
                Captain Pushkin 3 November 2020 14: 51
                +1
                Quote: Gritsa
                Quote: Captain Pushkin
                And what exactly do you have against the riots in England, France, Poland, Germany, Turkey and other NATO countries?

                I have nothing against it. But in the USA it is much more sincere.

                As Trotsky said, the Civil War should be reflected in the press as fully as possible and let it last as long as possible.
                This ghoul was referring to the war in Soviet Russia, but for me, these wishes of the United States are better suited ...
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 2 November 2020 16: 58
      0
      Quote: Tank jacket
      And at this time in Poland, riots began ... Sorosyats destabilize all border regions, the reason is the alleged ban on abortion

      There is already an interesting video on this topic. hi
    3. Tank hard
      Tank hard 2 November 2020 17: 01
      +7
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Meanwhile, riots broke out in Poland.

      And even a new anecdote appeared on this topic:
      Lukashenko called Duda. He didn't say anything, only laughed. Until Duda hung up the phone.
      wink
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 2 November 2020 18: 33
        +1
        hi funny anecdote good laughing Thank you. And the video credit ...
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 November 2020 13: 46
    +7
    Deputy Foreign Minister of Iran Abbas Arakchi traveled to Azerbaijan, Armenia, Russia and Turkey,
    The pursuit of peace is commendable. But, something suggests that Turkey, and therefore Azerbaijan, does not accept this proposal. 5 plus 2 regions no longer suit Azerbaijan, because Give them all of Karabakh and who is behind this is also clear.
  10. flicker
    flicker 2 November 2020 13: 48
    +4
    Iran announced that there is a "simple plan" for a complete settlement of the Karabakh conflict
    Well, yes.
    A simple plan is when the knot is not untied, but cut.
  11. pavelty
    pavelty 2 November 2020 13: 51
    +6
    I see that no one thinks that Russia is a slightly stronger player on this board ...
  12. Naughty
    Naughty 2 November 2020 13: 56
    +2
    Quote: KAVBER
    Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan are returning to Russia as republics and Russia is putting things in order there, this is the most correct plan for resolving the situation in this region. Yes, and Mount Ararat must return to us.


    They forgot to add Constantinople and also Dnipropetrovsk Kharkov and further on the Ukrainian list laughing The main thing is who will feed them and wipe the snot write laughing
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 2 November 2020 14: 57
      0
      Who feeds us?
  13. newcomer
    newcomer 2 November 2020 14: 04
    0
    The RA received assurances from the Russian Federation of assistance in the event of an attack on it. Now, the RA Armed Forces can join the battle in Karabakh. In my opinion, the most interesting time begins. And I still can't understand why Pashinyan is still sitting on the throne? Go away on your own, so what are the Armenian soldiers waiting for? Time is playing against RA.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 15: 06
      0
      Quote: newbie
      The RA received assurances from the Russian Federation of assistance in the event of an attack on it. Now, the RA Armed Forces can join the battle in Karabakh. In my opinion, the most interesting time begins. And I still can't understand why Pashinyan is still sitting on the throne? Go away on your own, so what are the Armenian soldiers waiting for? Time is playing against RA.

      The Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia have been fighting there from the first day, and as regards the official entry into the war, Azerbaijan will become a victim of aggression, since this NKR is not recognized even by Armenia itself, therefore, the Russian Federation is not obliged to support the aggressor, Baku can hit from Nakhichevan. It all depends on the desire of the Russian Federation. hi
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 2 November 2020 17: 50
        -1
        NKR_ as if you, the Jews, including, didn’t like_ a separate state. First, there will follow an official request for help to the RA, then the NKR assistance in restoring the integrity of the territory will follow.
        From Nakhichevan, your Baku, will not strike, since the RA has already enlisted the support of the CSTO. It was this Ottoman maneuver of cutting from Nakhichevan that fettered the RA Armed Forces. Now, no hindrance.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 2 November 2020 17: 56
          +1
          We have Jews, not to offend you, it will be said, the same attitude towards Gabon and the NKR. The only thing is that the purchasing power of Gabon is most likely higher, and they do not yell about the genocide, holding weapons in their hands, while having the opportunity to evacuate children and women wink
          Baku is Azerbaijani, and you enlisted the support of Russia alone - and even then, in the event of aggression against Armenia, and it is unclear - justified or not))
          It all depends on Putin's desire yes
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 2 November 2020 18: 08
            -2
            Your country is the real Gabon, pure buy and sell.
            Don't touch the genocide with your dirty paws. The only thing I agree on is “Baku is Azerbaijani.” But aggression, it is aggression, justified or not_ this cannot be. Although you may have. Putin, at the head of the Russian Federation, will play out in anticipation, will have many interesting consequences.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 2 November 2020 18: 24
              +1
              But I don’t argue - we are a nation of Shoemakers and Violinists, not marshals and generals laughing
              Our "dirty paws" were the only time when the Maidan was arranged in the country when they did not want to establish diplomatic relations with the FRG in exchange for reparations for the destruction of their loved ones, unlike all the Aruyunians who shout about genocide when they received a little in the face.
              How can this not be justified? If you bring troops into the territory of Azerbaijan Deyure - i.e. NKR, you are the aggressor fellow And Baku is the defending side.
              From whom will Putin have many interesting consequences? From you, or what? lol Or from Erdogan? ))
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 2 November 2020 19: 01
                0
                In the coffin we saw your "de jure", flawed. Yes, you are a nation, I do not argue, but what the devil only knows. And the consequences will not come from me, personally, or from the RA, but from the Ottomans, with your, so to speak, interest and ardent participation. And now screaming, why should we die for (?) Armenians, then, when the terrorists fed by the Ottomans, the Yankees and your own nation personally begin to slaughter under the belly of the Russian Federation, right up to the Volga region, then all of you will start screaming, but why did Putin not enter Karabakh? ! But it is interesting to ask about the PMR, is there also, in your opinion, the legal territory of Moldova? Or is there a people, or people who have the right to self-determination, but there are those to whom it is? Or maybe the Russian Federation simply fell for the fact that Baku is richer than Yerevan? Well, Baku has long ago left the zone of influence of the Russian Federation. Read the following article, where already lifentrop Aliyev indicates the direction of action of the Russian Federation. In addition, I repeat: the RF Armed Forces will not defend their interests at the approaches to the borders, which means they will defend themselves already inside the country. With great sacrifices and losses. Or have already forgotten how far the barmaley crawled into Chechenskaya.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 2 November 2020 19: 55
                  0
                  1) lol Well, of course, flawed, we at the age of modern Armenia had only one representative Mercedes in the whole country, but two dozen nuclear charges. You, as a nation of Generals and Marshals - the picture is the opposite soldier
                  2) The consequences of the Ottomans, due to the above factor, are not critical to us
                  3)
                  Then, when the terrorists, fed by the Ottomans, Yankees and personally by your nation, begin to slaughter under the belly of the Russian Federation, right up to the Volga region, then all of you will start yelling, why did not Putin enter Karabakh ?!

                  And what should Putin do in Azerbaijan laughing Recognize the NKR - it is you, Armenia, officially, then bring in a bunch of Armenian volunteers from Russia there, and only then Russia will be able to officially get into a conflict in which a large number of Russian citizens take part
                  4) PMR - there are about half of the Russians
                  5)
                  Or maybe the Russian Federation simply fell for the fact that Baku is richer than Yerevan? Well, Baku has long ago left the zone of influence of the Russian Federation. Read the following article, where already lifentrop Aliyev indicates the direction of action of the Russian Federation

                  Armenia also left the zone of influence of the Russian Federation, while Baku pays for everything at once, does not beg for anything, especially the participation of Russians in a showdown with a neighbor
                  6) Now, if the evil Turks enter Armenia, the Russian Federation will defend itself on distant borders - what does Azerbaijan have to do with it?
                  7) In Chechnya, Armenia seriously defended Russia request
                  1. newcomer
                    newcomer 2 November 2020 21: 16
                    -1
                    Chechen republic_ is the territory of the Russian Federation, to begin with. Meanwhile, the NKR Armed Forces near Shushi destroyed Ottoman specialists like them hired bearded men from Syria. With which I congratulate the Ottomans. Tell me, why the Azerbaijanis need something from the Russian Federation, if they are near Turkey, which satisfies all the needs of Baku. Since you have touched upon the term "de jure", what difference does it make to how many Russians are there in the PMR? Here's your case, better chew your head. Well, if the consequences of the repetition of the massacre by the Islamists, personally to you, are not critical, then I better bow down. You are truly a wonderful cynic.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 21: 59
                      +3
                      1) Nagorno-Karabakh is a disputed territory between Azerbaijan and Armenia. What can Russians do there? Defend against the Ottomans, who are not afraid of them?
                      2) Why did the Azerbaijanis buy Russian weapons worth at least $ 3 billion? laughing
                      3) I explain - the PMR is de jure Moldova, de facto - there is half of the Russian population. De Jure Karabakh - Azerbaijan. De facto, 98% of living there are Armenians, Russians - less than a percent. Who is Russia to fit in for? For a dubiously friendly people?
                      4) And - my favorite moment - the Islamist reference fellow Armenia is quite friendly with the Islamic Republic of Iran, for vital reasons, I agree.
                      The fighters of Asala, the militant Armenian organization, from which the national hero of Armenia Avo came, was quite cool collaborating with the Palestinian terrorists in Lebanon. And here - on you, radish Islamists negative
                      Well, this is already such duplicity ... transparent, primitive, but no less disgusting from this ..
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 2 November 2020 22: 03
                        +3
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        de facto, half of the population is Russian.

                        Come on) hi
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 2 November 2020 22: 29
                        +2
                        Shalom, blast the meu! hi
                        What is more? Less? Mixed up? ))
                      3. Liam
                        Liam 2 November 2020 23: 42
                        +2
                        Less, of course. It was always about 30%.
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 44
                        +2
                        Ok, then a third. But not one percent, as in NKR)) If not less
                      5. Liam
                        Liam 2 November 2020 23: 46
                        +2
                        Well, then Ukraine also needs to intervene. Ukrainians are also 30%. Like Moldovans)
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 50
                        +2
                        Then I was right - I counted Ukrainians and Russians together drinks laughing As for the Moldovans - they seem to be Russified there, in terms of mentality. I could be wrong
                      7. Liam
                        Liam 2 November 2020 23: 51
                        +2
                        At present, on the contrary, it is necessary)
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 53
                        +2
                        laughing
                        And what do the PMRs themselves want?
                      9. Liam
                        Liam 3 November 2020 00: 00
                        +3
                        PMR prays that at least someone would intervene ... but everyone is deeply indifferent, including Moldova)
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 November 2020 00: 10
                        +2
                        What? Want someone to join them?
                      11. Liam
                        Liam 3 November 2020 00: 14
                        +2
                        Naturally, every couple of years they spend on a referendum on joining the Russian Federation. But Russia does not hear from this ear. And then, out of grief, all PMR businesses are registered in Moldova, with accounts in Moldovan banks and payments to the Moldovan budget. Independence as it is. The truth is pensions. and Russia supplies gas for free)
                      12. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 November 2020 00: 22
                        +1
                        Whose passports do they have?
                      13. Liam
                        Liam 3 November 2020 00: 23
                        +2
                        Mostly Moldovan, and Ukrainian too.
                      14. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 November 2020 00: 26
                        +1
                        Visa-free, but in the EU)))
                      15. Liam
                        Liam 3 November 2020 00: 31
                        +2
                        That's right, independence is independence, but you need to eat)
                        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/russian/features-53473215.amp
                      16. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 November 2020 00: 57
                        +1
                        Full trash
    2. Liam
      Liam 2 November 2020 23: 52
      +2
      By the way, how many% are Russians in Syria and Libya?)
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 54
      +2
      The nearest large community is in Israel laughing
    4. Liam
      Liam 2 November 2020 23: 59
      +3
      In short, the% of Russians is not a decisive value for intervention. In Syria and Libya, there are even fewer Russians than in the NKR. Another fig leaf to cover up helplessness is Pashinan’s liberality and greed). A lifeline straight.
    5. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 November 2020 00: 04
      +2
      Why helplessness - who needs to get involved in interethnic squabbles between the historical homelands of the two large Russian diasporas? Now, if Armenia were on the Mediterranean Sea, it would radically change the situation)).
  • Avior
    Avior 2 November 2020 15: 12
    +1
    The RA received assurances from the Russian Federation of assistance in the event of an attack on it. Now, the RA Armed Forces can join the battle in Karabakh.

    if the RA Armed Forces enter the battle in Karabakh, it means that the RA was not attacked.
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 2 November 2020 17: 54
      -1
      The entry of the RA Armed Forces behind the NKR does not mean an attack on the RA. The attack on the RA will be precisely the attack on the RA. Assurances of effective assistance allow the Armenian Armed Forces to free up forces to help Karabakh, which were formed by the expectation of an attack.
      1. Avior
        Avior 2 November 2020 19: 19
        0
        If the RA is the first to officially start hostilities, this means that the question of attacking the RA is automatically removed.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 2 November 2020 21: 07
          0
          RA does not start hostilities, RA will help NKR to suppress the Ottoman aggression.
          1. Avior
            Avior 3 November 2020 01: 54
            +2
            That is, the fighting begins
            Clear
            Or will they suppress with leaflets?
  • yfast
    yfast 2 November 2020 14: 25
    0
    Quote: newbie
    And I still can't understand why Pashinyan is still sitting on the throne? Go away on your own, so what are the Armenian soldiers waiting for?

    Who will plant him, he's a monument. And the warriors are still busy, fighting and dying at the front.
  • Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 2 November 2020 14: 35
    0
    Quote: pavlentiy
    I see that no one thinks that Russia is a slightly stronger player on this board ...

    The stronger it is, of course, but the logistics are very difficult and can easily be made even more difficult.
    It is one thing to act as an arbiter, and another to climb to separate a drunken fight with stabbing without covered rear.
  • Trojan_wolf
    Trojan_wolf 2 November 2020 14: 36
    -1
    The main problem in this conflict is Pashinyan, his place on the sidelines of politics.
  • fif21
    fif21 2 November 2020 14: 40
    +3
    Azerbaijan and the territory of Artsakh previously belonged to Iran. Let them take away wink
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 2 November 2020 15: 01
      0
      Let's continue then.
      The Erivan Khanate can be restored.
      As part of the new Ottoman Empire.
      And scraps will fly through the back streets.
      Apparently, this is primarily feared in Armenia.
      Therefore, the Armed Forces of Armenia take care.
      Not how the Sultan will decide what.
    2. MTN
      MTN 2 November 2020 15: 08
      -4
      Quote: fif21
      Azerbaijan and the territory of Artsakh previously belonged to Iran. Let them take away

      And Iran has always been in the hands of Azerbaijanis.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 2 November 2020 14: 55
    0
    It is necessary to lead the peacekeepers of Iran and Russia to Karabakh and then peace will surely come for a long time.
  • MTN
    MTN 2 November 2020 15: 08
    0
    Iran also merged Armenia.
    According to the special representative, it is based on internationally recognized principles, including inviolability of borders, respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of states, and the return of refugees to their homes.

    If nobody understood, then Iran is for the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 2 November 2020 15: 14
    +1
    Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
    I was referring to an excuse to rein in Iran. Considering that Israel highly appreciates Az. As an ally in the South. The Caucasus. Link to Avigdor Lieberman.
    At the moment, the Leader of the party * Our House Israel *.

    The expression "rein in Iran" is no more than a form of speech. There is nothing behind it. Lieberman could be referred to when he was Minister of Defense. Today he is the leader of a small opposition party, of which we have 30.
    Iran has no territorial, material or economic claims against Israel and vice versa. This must be understood.
    1. vlad.baryatinsky
      vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 15: 36
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov
      The expression "rein in Iran" is no more than a form of speech.

      In my opinion, as anyone. Although there is a precedent. This includes preventive strikes on the territory of Iran, the elimination of odious figures of the regime. And finally, the "mysterious" deaths of nuclear physicists.
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Lieberman could be referred to when he was Minister of Defense. Today he is the leader of a small opposition party, of which we have 30.

      But you will not argue that Lieberman is currently expressing the point of view of the official circles of Israel.
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Iran has no territorial, material or economic claims against Israel and vice versa

      YHWH! With you!
      I strongly disagree with you. And the calls of the ayatolas for "expansion" are terrific. Palestinian how you interpret. I no longer mention radical theses about the very existence of the State of Israel!
      And how will you interpret these calls?
      In my humble opinion, at least CLAIMS.
      Quote: A. Privalov
      This must be understood

      I refuse!
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 2 November 2020 16: 13
        +2
        What strikes against Iranian territory are you talking about? What odious figures?

        Lieberman today does not express any official points of view. I repeat, he is an opposition deputy. Dot.

        Ayatol calls? Radical theses? For such ridiculous claims, wars are not started. In your opinion, it turns out that Israel was waiting for Karabakh to start "stringing" Iran?

        Yes, Israel always takes any threats against itself seriously, however, I have already explained many times here that Iran cannot reach Israel today, nor fly, nor even swim. He has his worries up to his nostrils. hi
        1. vlad.baryatinsky
          vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 17: 23
          +1
          Quote: A. Privalov
          What strikes against Iranian territory are you talking about?

          July 3, 2020 The blow was inflicted on the nuclear object on the territe. Iran.
          Quote: A. Privalov
          What odious figures?

          January 3, 2020 liquidation of Qasem Suleimani Kerman.
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Lieberman today does not express any official points of view.

          On this score, I cannot agree with you. Lieberman is an influential figure.
          Quote: A. Privalov
          I repeat, he is an opposition deputy. Dot.

          Dear!
          Your categoricalness is discouraging. You are monopolizing the alternative point of view as an argument.
          I am far from thinking that to scare you or try to question your objectivity.
          I am sorry that you misinterpret my arguments.
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Ayatol calls? Radical theses? For such ridiculous claims, wars are not started.

          Dear Alexander!
          There would be a reason, there will always be an excuse to interpret the situation as an incident bailey.
          And who told you on my behalf that Israel will certainly start a full-scale database over Karabakh?
          Quote: A. Privalov
          In your opinion, it turns out that Israel was waiting for Karabakh to start "stringing" Iran?

          If you take your comment literally, no.
          But to paraphrase, you will agree that Israel will certainly take advantage of the situation if Iran, against the will of the conflicting parties, enters Karabakh.
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Iran cannot reach Israel today, nor fly, nor even swim. He has his worries up to his nostrils.

          I agree with you.
          But figuratively speaking, "reach out" in a state.
          On a hustle. Through the Gaza Strip. * Hezbollah * Paprimer.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 2 November 2020 17: 53
            +2
            Dear, Israel has not inflicted any blows on Iran, do not sew him and the general. Your theses are far-fetched. If you want to build, as you say, an alternative point of view, then you are welcome. But please don't get me into this. I have lived here for more than thirty years, I observe what is happening with my own eyes, I feel it on my own skin in full reality, and you are trying to sell me some naive theories while you are far away. Sorry. hi
            1. vlad.baryatinsky
              vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 18: 07
              +1
              Quote: A. Privalov
              Dear, Israel has not inflicted any blows on Iran, do not sew him and the general.

              I respect your opinion. And in no case did I want to appear before you as a "tailor" in this context of our dialogue.
              Quote: A. Privalov
              Your theses are far-fetched. If you want to build, as you say, an alternative point of view, then you are welcome.

              Alas! Rhetoric and general phrases that are not supported by facts.
              Quote: A. Privalov
              I have lived here for more than thirty years, I observe what is happening with my own eyes, I feel it on my own skin in full reality, and you are trying to sell me some naive theories while you are far away.

              I just tried to convey to you the generally accepted point of view and did not try to "sell" something to you
              Quote: A. Privalov
              Sorry.

              You have nothing to apologize to me for!
              I respect your point of view, although I do not share.
              Peace to you and health!
  • Bilal
    Bilal 2 November 2020 15: 24
    0
    Quote: fif21
    Azerbaijan and the territory of Artsakh previously belonged to Iran. Let them take away wink


    If you look at the historical maps, it turns out that the lands of Iran (at different times under different names from Ilam to Khajars and Pahlavi) never went beyond the Araz River. True, the territories of the upper Araz were at times the Iranian zone of influence ...
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 2 November 2020 15: 36
    +1
    The whole plan is to chat, that's all that is clear.
  • Vovk
    Vovk 2 November 2020 15: 46
    0
    However, a lot of people climbed into the minerals of Nagorno-Karabakh, especially gold ... Turks with Azerbaijanis, China and Israel, so also Iran will grab on the sly. The Armenian oligarchs will obviously be left without pants ... without them, everything was divided.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 November 2020 15: 55
    +2
    Let the Armenians be taken back to their homeland laughing Azerbaijan is defeating Armenia "because Armenia has Russian weapons" - in general, perhaps, one of the most widespread (specially spread?) Delusions. In reality, it was Azerbaijan that all the previous years was bought "as if not into itself" ... with Russian weapons! Sourse of information? Will the head of the Azerbaijani state be satisfied personally? laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 November 2020 15: 59
    +1
    The Armenians were thrown twice ... first, our Foreign Ministry, now also the United States))))) Moreover, their own diaspora squealed "Pashinyan must leave." We are waiting for Pashinyan to leave.  laughing
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 3 November 2020 01: 47
      0
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Moreover, their own diaspora shouted "Pashinyan must leave."

      Duc how came it and go wink
  • Old26
    Old26 2 November 2020 16: 24
    0
    Quote: MTN
    In my opinion, no one read the article to the end. If not understood, Iran has merged Armenia.

    Absolutely right.
    According to the special representative, it is based on internationally recognized principles, including the inviolability of borders, respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of states, the return of refugees to their homes and respect for the rights of national minorities.


    1.on internationally recognized principles, including the inviolability of borders, respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of states
    And the internationally recognized borders are the borders of Azerbaijan at the time of gaining independence as a result of the collapse of the Union and the belonging of the NKAO to Azerbaijan

    2. return of refugees to their homes and respect for the rights of national minorities.
    Return of Azerbaijani residents of the seven occupied regions of Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh to their places of residence, from where they fled in the early 90s

    3. respect for the rights of national minorities.
    This is what Aliyev said - broad autonomy for the Armenian residents of Karabakh.

    In fact, Iran has dotted all the th, having decided on whose sides it is ...

    Quote: Saboteur
    Well, Iran leaked Armenia. So what? We only need Armenia as a base for Turkey. Everything! It is no longer needed in its current form!

    Can be moved 200 km to the east. It's still better than having a base 10-20 km from the border. I think that Azerbaijan will not refuse us this. And the base will cool the hot heads of the neighbors

    Quote: OrangeBigg
    That is, the Armenians are offered to leave Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh), which is unacceptable for them, or to live already within Azerbaijan, which is hardly possible in reality.

    Well, if it is unacceptable to leave the occupied territory - what is it then called? And what is so difficult about living within Azerbaijan? Do Armenians live in Azerbaijan? Why can't a peaceful person live in Karabakh? Especially if there is no blood on their hands ...

    Quote: KAVBER
    Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan are returning to Russia as republics and Russia is putting things in order there, this is the most correct plan for resolving the situation in this region. Yes, and Mount Ararat must return to us.

    Don't tell my slippers. There is only one option when they will become part of Russia. When Russia becomes RICH. When the standard of living in Russia will be such that everyone around will envy her. When Russia will have a powerful economy. Only then. But this is not even visible on the horizon. Therefore, none of them will voluntarily join Russia. It is better to be a master in your small state, and not an ordinary in a large family of peoples of the USSR 2.0
    And Ararat ... One gets the impression that who writes such sentences lives in a world of invented fantasies and looks at the world through rose-colored glasses? Why should Turkey give us Ararat ???
  • Naughty
    Naughty 2 November 2020 16: 30
    0
    Quote: vavilon
    Who feeds us?


    Write where you are from And I will answer you who feeds
  • fa2998
    fa2998 2 November 2020 17: 21
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    There will be elections tomorrow.

    Trump wins tomorrow and the situation remains the same ... hi
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 3 November 2020 01: 52
      0
      Quote: fa2998
      Trump wins tomorrow and the situation remains the same ...

      or Biden ... and the situation remains the same yes
      although no ... not the same. over there, by the time of the elections, the population is actively buying weapons, and small business is digging in like the Armenians in Shusha. sympathy of the population 50/50 and whoever won, the loser will drag his half into the street.
      this will be Sores' most colossal scam! good
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 2 November 2020 20: 19
    0
    Weak plan, does not "take" at all.
  • iouris
    iouris 2 November 2020 21: 24
    0
    We jumped. Have fun. Whoever is in charge and rummaging in the wreckage of the USSR.
    1. Kuzmitsky
      3 November 2020 20: 16
      0
      That's it. For too long from the sidelines or a little downwardly they looked at the neighboring former Soviet republics. And now they suddenly noticed that anyone is in charge there, but not us. Why be surprised? A holy place is never empty.
  • Dmitry Simakin
    Dmitry Simakin 3 November 2020 14: 42
    0
    The simplest plan: Azerbaijan together with Karabakh - Iran, Armenia and Georgia - Russia, Turkey in half ...