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The timing of the transfer of the first serial Su-57 with the second stage engine to the Ministry of Defense

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The timing of the transfer of the first serial Su-57 with the second stage engine to the Ministry of Defense

The Russian Defense Ministry will receive the first production Su-57 fighter with a second stage engine in December this year. According to TASS, citing a source in the defense industry, the transfer of the fighter will take place during a single day of acceptance of military products.


According to the source, at the end of the year there will be a single day for receiving military products, during which the first serial Su-57 with a second stage engine will be handed over to the military. Next year, 2021, the Ministry of Defense will receive four fighters with a new engine.

In December of this year, during a single day of acceptance of military products, the military department will receive the first serial Su-57 with a standard engine of the second stage, in 2021 - four more such aircraft

- leads news source word agency.

According to the interlocutor of TASS, in the future, the rate of production of fifth-generation fighters will increase to 15 aircraft per year, which will allow until 2028 to fulfill the contract for 2019 fighters for the Aerospace Forces signed in 76.

For our part, we note that there is no official confirmation of this information, but if you remove the phrase "second stage engine" from this news, it takes on a very real form, given that earlier Interfax, referring to its source, announced the transfer the first serial Su-57 in the Aerospace Forces until the end of November.

According to previously published reports, the first production fighters should go to the troops with the first stage engine. The engine of the second stage, according to various sources, will begin to be installed on the Su-57 from 2023 or 2025, but not earlier. In this regard, questions arise about "informed sources", which allow themselves to be very contradictory statements.
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  1. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 2 November 2020 12: 52
    +9
    Some kind of discord in the information space. Half an hour ago there was an article on VO, in which it was written in black and white that the Su-57 with engines of the second stage will go from 2025
    1. figwam
      figwam 2 November 2020 12: 54
      +4
      will receive the first production Su-57 fighter with a second stage engine in December this year.

      I'm confused, but I like this date better.
      Next year, 2021, the Ministry of Defense will receive four fighters with a new engine.

      And then according to plan.

      1. Voyager
        Voyager 2 November 2020 14: 10
        +3
        Some kind of wild plan with different Su-35s ...
        1. figwam
          figwam 2 November 2020 14: 39
          +2
          Quote: Voyager
          A wild plan

          The Su-35S is for our Defense Ministry, and the Su-35 is for deliveries abroad.
          1. zyablik.olga
            zyablik.olga 5 November 2020 05: 29
            0
            Quote: figvam
            Su-35S is for our Defense Ministry, and Su-35 is for deliveries abroad

            The export version has the designation Su-35SK, Su-35S (combatant) - for our Air Force, Su-35 - the designation of experimental vehicles.
      2. V1er
        V1er 2 November 2020 14: 55
        0
        And what is the difference between the su-35 and the su-35s? Does it make sense to produce both versions?
        1. figwam
          figwam 2 November 2020 15: 46
          0
          Quote: V1er
          Does it make sense to produce both versions?

          The performance characteristics of equipment for sale are always inferior to the one that is at home.
          1. ancient
            ancient 2 November 2020 17: 45
            0
            Quote: figvam
            The performance characteristics of equipment for sale are always inferior to the one that is at home.

            Yah..... wassat
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 2 November 2020 20: 08
              0
              Are you hinting at Indian tanks?
              1. ancient
                ancient 3 November 2020 11: 45
                +2
                Quote: garri-lin
                Are you hinting at Indian tanks?

                No ... on MKM and even on MKI ... wink
                1. ancient
                  ancient 3 November 2020 11: 51
                  +8
                  Quote: ancient
                  Well no..

                  Well, before the "heap" even for the Su-35S, they delivered to China the cars completely in the STANDARD configuration as in the Russian Air Force (with the exception of the SRZO), of course. wink

                  PS This is for .. "spreading" horizons .... " fellow -minous " wassat
                  1. figwam
                    figwam 5 November 2020 13: 51
                    0
                    Quote: ancient
                    on the Su-35S, the vehicles were delivered to China completely in the STANDARD configuration as in the Russian Air Force (with the exception of SRZO), of course.

                    No one will ever do this, at least the export Su-35 has no systems for using nuclear weapons, and the aircraft's avionics and its software are made in an export cut-down version. Equipment that does not have an export version, is excluded or replaced by others, the export of which is permitted.
                    1. ancient
                      ancient 6 November 2020 13: 23
                      0
                      Quote: figvam
                      No one will ever do that

                      I see ..... do not know about this question .... nothing .... then you better do not argue wink
                      1. figwam
                        figwam 6 November 2020 13: 25
                        0
                        Quote: ancient
                        I see ..... don't know about this .... nothing ..

                        )))
                2. figwam
                  figwam 5 November 2020 13: 51
                  0
                  Quote: ancient
                  No ... on MKM and even on MKI

                  Modifications of the Su-30MKI, IKK took off back in the late 90s and had foreign equipment at that time in service with the Russian Air Force, such an aircraft was not even planned, and our SM took off only in 2012, respectively, according to avionics.
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 6 November 2020 13: 34
                    0
                    Quote: figvam
                    Modifications of the Su-30MKI, MCC took off in the late 90s and had foreign equipment at that time in service

                    You don’t know the same ... it was planned and still how at first there was T-10PU (for us, Makritskogo for air defense and Barkovsky, for the Air Force), then T-10TK (for export) and only then T-10PMK for Indians wink
                    1. figwam
                      figwam 6 November 2020 15: 22
                      0
                      Quote: ancient
                      The same do not know ...... planned

                      Yeah, only not a single one in the troops, because the Ministry of Defense needed a Su-34 that took off in 1990, and only after the successful operation of the Su-30MKI in India, in 2012, the Su-30SM took off.
                      1. ancient
                        ancient 6 November 2020 15: 47
                        0
                        Quote: figvam
                        Yeah, only not one in the troops,

                        Well, it's not true ... 4th were in Lipetsk, 5th in Savostleika ... a series of 10 pieces was laid ... all of them remained in the design bureau and two at Kvochur at LII wink
                      2. ancient
                        ancient 6 November 2020 15: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: figvam
                        because MO needed a su-34 that took off in 1990

                        Here it is also not entirely true ... the first flight was flown by an experimental (prototype) Su-27IB (T-10V-1, board number 42) and took place on April 13, 1990.
                        But the first flight of the pre-production prototype (already with the name of the Su-34) was performed on December 18, 1993.
                        The Su-30PU "did not go" to the Defense Ministry due to the fact that the "Pvoshniki" abandoned it and this has nothing to do with the Su-34 wink
            2. Bongo
              Bongo 4 November 2020 13: 33
              +3
              Quote: ancient
              Yah.....

              Seryoga, hello! drinks
              You can't prove anything to the uryalka anyway. Moreover, they saw combat aircraft only from a zombie box. Spit ...
      3. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 2 November 2020 15: 36
        -1
        Quote: figvam
        Next year, 2021, the Ministry of Defense will receive four fighters with a new engine. And then according to plan.

        Oh yes, we have complete order with our plans, their bulk! And beautiful drawings with cartoons can be made too laughing
        With the implementation, that's really sucks. According to the state program for the development of the aviation industry until 2015, it was assumed that superjets would be riveted in hundreds, ms21 would be included in the series, and we would grab from 5 to 10% of the world aviation market in these segments. It's 2020, where is everything promised?
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 2 November 2020 15: 40
          +6
          Quote: Beringovsky
          With the implementation, that's really sucks. According to the state program for the development of the aviation industry until 2015, it was assumed that superjets would be riveted in hundreds, ms21 would be included in the series, and we would grab from 5 to 10% of the world aviation market in these segments. It's 2020, where is everything promised?

          If you draw parallels, you should still do it correctly. Do you remember the last time Knaapo failed state orders, delayed production and deliveries ...? hi
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 2 November 2020 12: 55
      +9
      According to the principle of twisting, twisting, I want to confuse the media. From 2023, the Su-57 with the Product-30 will begin to arrive.
      However, until 2023, all serial Su-57s will be equipped with engines of the first stage - AL-41F1 ("product 117"). Starting in 2023, the Su-57 should begin to install "product 30" (it does not yet have an index) - the second stage engine. Engaged in the development of the OKB im. A. Lyulki (a branch of PJSC "UEC-UMPO") and, according to the company, on these power units the cruising speed of the fighter will be supersonic.

      https://topcor.ru/17162-v-nebo-podnjalsja-pervyj-serijnyj-su-57-posle-razbivshegosja-god-nazad.html
    3. Maki maki
      Maki maki 2 November 2020 12: 56
      24
      Quote: Scary_L.
      Some kind of discord in the information space

      Exactly. In December, the Su-57 with a first stage engine is expected.
      1. figwam
        figwam 2 November 2020 13: 47
        +1
        Quote: Maki Maki
        Exactly. In December, the Su-57 with a first stage engine is expected.

        No, he is expected in November.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 2 November 2020 15: 44
          +1
          Quote: figvam
          Quote: Maki Maki
          Exactly. In December, the Su-57 with a first stage engine is expected.

          No, he is expected in November.


          In December. Here is the original source.
          "In December of this year, during a single day of acceptance of military products, the military department will receive the first serial Su-57 with a standard engine of the first stage, in 2021 - four more such aircraft," the source said.

          According to him, in the future, the rate of delivery of the Su-57 to the military department will increase up to 15 vehicles per year. "As a result, the contract signed in 2019 for 76 Su-57s until 2028 will definitely be fulfilled on time," the source said.

          The interlocutor of the agency specified that deliveries of fighters with a second stage engine are planned to begin in 2022.

          https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/9891981
          1. figwam
            figwam 2 November 2020 16: 02
            +1
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            In December. Here is the original source.

            Interfax said that until the end of the month.
            "Moscow. November 2. INTERFAX.RU - The Russian military is expected to receive the first serial fighter of the fifth generation Su-57 by the end of the month."
            An informed source told Interfax that the transfer of the Su-57 is scheduled for November, and that the aircraft is now undergoing factory flight tests.

            https://www.interfax.ru/russia/735208
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 2 November 2020 16: 06
              +1
              But he didn't say until the end of what month. lol
              In December of this year, during a single day of acceptance of military products, the military department will receive the first serial Su-57 with a standard engine of the first stage. There is nothing more to add.
    4. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 2 November 2020 13: 02
      0
      Quote: Scary_L.
      Half an hour ago there was an article on VO

      We thought for half an hour and changed their minds, and what, now to shoot them? As they can, so ... request
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 2 November 2020 13: 19
        0
        It's just that the sources of the articles are different. VO refers to different sources of information.
    5. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 2 November 2020 16: 17
      0
      Quote: Scary_L.
      Some kind of discord in the information space. Half an hour ago there was an article on VO, in which it was written in black and white that the Su-57 with engines of the second stage will go from 2025

      It is not sad, but in our country there are forty terms for the release and production of something ..... Decrees, however, are printed, they are in abundance ....... hi
    6. Lesorub
      Lesorub 2 November 2020 19: 36
      +3
      According to the source, at the end of the year there will be a single day for receiving military products, during which the first serial Su-57 with a second stage engine will be handed over to the military.

      It would be more correct not to announce - but to release the news about the action taken - somehow then it warms the soul more.
    7. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 2 November 2020 23: 36
      0
      Some kind of discord in the information space. Half an hour ago there was an article on VO, in which it was written in black and white that the Su-57 with engines of the second stage will go from 2025

      This suggests that local writers can write anything for you today. Just decide which information shelf you believe, that's all. Well, the truth is she is. Happened means the truth. It did not happen - then everyone is lying.
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 2 November 2020 13: 00
    0
    It seems to be the elections in the USA! And we have good news. Why would that be?
  3. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 2 November 2020 13: 02
    +3
    Most likely the journalists were confused, the Su-57 is still going with the engines of the first stage.
  4. Alien From
    Alien From 2 November 2020 13: 16
    0
    Good news, as long as it doesn't move to the right.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 November 2020 13: 22
    +5
    There were technological problems with the turbine blades for the second stage engine. Therefore, we insured ourselves and moved the terms to the right. But the fears were not justified, the engine passed the test. Probably, this is the reason for the postponement "to the left" ... A rare case ... But Ufa is full of optimism.
  6. askort154
    askort154 2 November 2020 13: 32
    +8
    My father told me - don't believe what is written on the fence.
    Now I tell my grandchildren - do not believe what is written in the media, especially in the "internet". Filter, filter, and filter again. negative
    1. figwam
      figwam 2 November 2020 14: 41
      0
      Quote: askort154
      Filter, filter, and filter again.

      Well, all the same, a TASS message with a reference to the defense industry complex, although the human factor has not been canceled, it may have messed up.
  7. Sofa
    Sofa 2 November 2020 13: 42
    -10 qualifying.
    There is not a single first stage yet, although put them to begin with
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 2 November 2020 13: 48
      +4
      Quote: Couch
      There is not a single first stage yet, although put them to begin with

      How is it not? And on what engine do dryers fly now?
  8. IGOR GORDEEV
    IGOR GORDEEV 2 November 2020 13: 50
    +2

    In December of this year, during a single day of acceptance of military products, the military department will receive the first serial Su-57 with a standard engine of the second stage, in 2021 - four more such aircraft

    I couldn't believe my eyes. Already prepared to wait for 2025 - not earlier. It may not be true, but how pleasant it became in my soul.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 2 November 2020 14: 07
      +2
      With a pleasant soul, it is better to wait for the moment when it happens, so as not to be upset in vain.
    2. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 2 November 2020 16: 20
      0
      Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

      In December of this year, during a single day of acceptance of military products, the military department will receive the first serial Su-57 with a standard engine of the second stage, in 2021 - four more such aircraft

      I couldn't believe my eyes. Already prepared to wait for 2025 - not earlier. It may not be true, but how pleasant it became in my soul.

      And there will be no winter ..... warm and slush on the streets, hasn't it become even more pleasant .... more comfortable ... hi drinks
  9. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 2 November 2020 15: 02
    -1
    Fiction! And it's cool if the cars really go right away with new engines.
  10. Object.F7
    Object.F7 2 November 2020 20: 47
    +2
    Flight tests of the new generation engine began in December 2017. Three years - how realistic is it to complete the test cycle in such a time? There were shots where the Su-57 had two different engines. Probably, for a full-fledged run-in, a cycle with two new power plants is required. It is unlikely that this is trusted to test the army team. Most likely, we are talking about the fact that soon two products 30 will be installed on one of the flight prototypes, but this is not a production machine, IMHO
  11. mlad
    mlad 3 November 2020 09: 48
    0
    What if a miracle happened and the engines were quietly run in and installed on the plane? Although miracles are hard to believe.