Azerbaijan announced the downed Su-25 of the Armenian Air Force. The network is discussing what exactly was shot down

Fighting in the zone of military conflict on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh continues. According to the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense, an attack aircraft Su-25 of the Armenian Air Force was shot down during an attempt to attack the positions of the Azerbaijani army.

As reported by the press service of the Azerbaijani military department, on November 1, units of the Armenian army made an attempt to attack the positions of the Azerbaijani army on the Zangilan section of the Armenian-Azerbaijani state border.

The enemy fired at the positions of our units from mortars and various large-caliber weapons in order to capture a number of advantageous heights in this direction

- said in a statement.

However, as it is specified, the attack attempt was thwarted, the enemy retreated "to the territory of Armenia", having lost up to 30 servicemen killed. In addition, during an attempt to attack from the air, an attack aircraft Su-25 of the Armenian Air Force was shot down.

As a result of the vigilance of the personnel of our units, the enemy Su-25 attack aircraft, which attacked our positions from the air, was also shot down

- stated in the military.

The network is discussing what exactly the Azerbaijani military shot down the enemy's Su-25. Among the assumptions is the use of portable anti-aircraft missile systems (MANPADS) by the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. The Azerbaijani side itself does not disclose the weapons used against the attack aircraft in terms of information. The Armenian Defense Ministry does not comment on the enemy's summary.

Last week, on Thursday, October 29, the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense reported two downed Su-25s of the Armenian Air Force.

On October 29, at about 13:18 and 13:20, two Su-25 attack aircraft of the Armenian armed forces, which tried to inflict airstrikes on the positions of the Azerbaijani army in the Gubadli sector of the front, were shot down by an Azerbaijani air defense unit

- reported the Ministry of Defense.

Meanwhile, the Azerbaijani military department confirmed the use of its own Su-25 attack aircraft to attack Armenian positions by posting a video of the attack of the attack aircraft on the official YouTube channel.

Comments

[raki-uzo]

Now they will come and say that they have already started the third round. And I'll tell you - this is the 9th combat aircraft of Armenia, which was shot down over the zone.

[svp67]

It’s not very clear to me why both sides are not using combat helicopters?

[Runway]

Climb up the hills, need will force.

[All the memories]

One of ours was hit. Another was damaged at the beginning of hostilities.

[hydro]

used, Armenians and Azerbaijanis use, but they are knocked down

[Professor]

Helicopters are extremely vulnerable.

[Albay]

Hello svp 67
The Azerbaijani army uses helicopters, but closer to the front.
In Nagorno-Karabakh itself, the Armenians have drawn iron cables between the mountains in many places to make it difficult to use helicopters.
Best regards

[nikolas 83]

In the third circle they shoot down.

[bessmertniy]

And where do they come from?

[NDR-791]

Meanwhile, the Azerbaijani military department confirmed the use of its own Su-25 attack aircraft to attack Armenian positions by posting a video of the attack of the attack aircraft on the official YouTube channel.
We saw that movie. And they saw the picture. Only the picture is abstract - it does not show state ownership.

And in the video it is by no means visible that this is a strike from an attack aircraft What came from there ??? And it is not clear at all. So it worked in vain, and therefore minus itself

[Fungus]

They shoot down su 25 every day. There is still no current of fragments ...

[Asad]

I support, purely out of curiosity we could go, look, take a picture! And brag!

[Operator]

Now the enemy, in addition to Russian ground equipment, clicks like seeds and Russian manned aircraft.

The first bell rang back in 2014 in the Donbass, when the militia shot down all the Soviet manned aircraft that flew near the outskirts. But the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for six years has been engaged in everything, but not anti-aircraft missiles with video guidance, not KAZ, not reconnaissance UAVs with optics for 15-25 km and not guided munitions with video guidance.

[Kart]

Everything is lost?
What a blessing that we have such powerful experts.

[Dodikson]

Can you tell me what exactly the kakly was in 2014 in the Donbass?
preferably with a list.

[Grits]

Quote: Operator

Now the enemy, in addition to Russian ground equipment, clicks like seeds and Russian manned aircraft.

It seems to me that they were "clicked" by the Russian air defense system

[Volodin]

Quote: Operator

Now the enemy, in addition to Russian ground equipment, clicks like seeds and Russian manned aircraft.

A few questions: a) whose opponent? b) do you seriously think that a 70-year-old attack aircraft will be invulnerable in 2020? c) give, please, examples of foreign technology of the same years of production and development, which would remain invulnerable in the event of a conflict today.

PS Houthis in worn-out sandals by Soviet RPGs in Yemen are not sickly burning Saudi (American) Abrams with their KAZs and other pribluds. It turns out that they click like seeds ...

[svp67]

Quote: Volodin

do you seriously think a 70-year-old attack aircraft will be invulnerable in 2020?

And here is the question. If it is used with the weapons of the 70s and according to that tactics, then yes, it has little chance of surviving on the battlefield. But if it is converted, by means of modernization, into an aircraft equipped with modern striking means, which allow it not to enter the short-range air defense zone, then the chances for it, at the expense of survival, increase dramatically ...

[Volodin]

Quote: svp67

But if you turn it, by modernization

Well, first of all, these are questions for the Armenian side - let them do it. Secondly, if you strongly fantasize about modernization, you can, of course, create a "plasma invulnerability field" around the Il-2 and equip it with "Daggers")))

[svp67]

Quote: Volodin

and around the IL-2 create a "plasma invulnerability field" and equip it with "Daggers")))

Well, the "hunchback" "Dagger" won't pull, but so, yes ... There is nothing to turn the AN-2 into a platform for the delivery of "kamikaze drones", closer to the line of contact and he will do his job honestly and qualitatively, until they get knocked down, since there is no speed, no maneuver, no defense.

Quote: Volodin

Well, first of all, these are questions for the Armenian side - let them do it.

Here you would ask the same questions to us. Do we have such an aircraft to equip the army and how many are there?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: svp67

allowing not to enter the short-range air defense zone, then the chances for him, at the expense of survival, increase sharply ...

In general, attack aircraft work at low altitudes, in addition, the mountainous terrain allows aircraft to avoid collisions with military air defense systems.

[svp67]

Quote: Mavrikiy

in addition, the mountainous terrain allows aircraft to avoid collisions with military air defense systems.

How, if they work from low altitudes and at direct firing ranges?

[TermNachTer]

It depends on where and how to apply. And depending on who sits at the helm

[Professor]

KAZ installed on Saudi tanks?

[mvg]

in Yemen, the Saudi (American) Abrams with their KAZs and other pribluds are not sickly

Stop talking nonsense. What are the KAZs on the Saudi Abrams, which RPGs? Self-complacency?

[iouris]

All these messages should be divided by pi.
Nobody won (or won, but by 92,5%). The war dragged on. It's time to end.

[Gvardeetz77]

Even if the score for downed aircraft is the same, then for the Armenians it is often minus the trained personnel, and for the Azerbaijanis, there are at most a few nerve cells of the operator when explaining the reasons for the loss of the aircraft ... That's the whole economy ...

[svp67]

Quote: Gvardeetz77

Even if the account for the downed aircraft is the same, then for the Armenians it is often minus the trained personnel,

Is there any exact information about the death of the pilots?

[rotmistr60]

When Azerbaijanis destroy equipment, it can be seen from their picture. When the Armenians shoot down An-2 Azerbaijanis, this is also evident. But the downed Su-25s are so far only in the victorious reports of both sides, and a month of battles has already taught us not to trust words.

[pyc.arpeccop tornado 150]

Returned to Karabakh
Return in boxes.

[Ural resident]

I must say the propaganda of the Azerbaijanis is at a high level.
Aliyev himself constantly defends his position at a high diplomatic level, competently, you will not dig in. Constant broadcasts of news to their audience, which, turn the audience on and cultivate aggression, over on the forums, Azerbaijanis begin to threaten those who disagree with them. And here on the forum they also write steadily, the thought suggests itself that they are not ordinary people. Drone videos are also shown regularly, and now there are a lot of videos filmed in the early days of the fighting, but not previously shown. Indeed, it seems that everything is about to end with a brilliant victory.
For me, it's all the same whose Karabakh is, the main thing is that Turkey is not there,

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Resident of the Urals

I must say the propaganda of the Azerbaijanis is at a high level.

I must say that Azerbaijan's propaganda is already very reminiscent of Ukrainian some have been fighting with the RF Armed Forces for 6 years, others have been winning the NKR Armed Forces.

[hydro]

Shcha MTN, Alena from Baku and anonymous with a tank on ave will correct you)

[aszzz888]

It is necessary to tie up there, and who, how many and what has brought down is not boasting. Damn the war!

[Zaurbek]

Attack aircraft and helicopters do not live long now.

[svoit]

Quote: svp67

enter the short-range air defense zone

But this is no longer easy, since the Wasp can get it even at its close to its maximum height, and in any case it turns out that it is better to use it together with reconnaissance. UAVs, which we seem to have enough, but for some reason in Syria they are not used like that. Is it possible for the pilot to see targets better from more than 5 km than the operator from 3-4 km?

[Cottager452]

If the Russian air defense, then a good advertisement.

[Pavlos Melas]

Where are the debris or video shootings? Both Armenians and Azeris often state about the shooting down of manned aircraft, without providing any evidence.

[Operator]

Quote: Volodin

a) 70-year-old attack aircraft will be invulnerable in 2020? c) give, please, examples of foreign technology of the same years of production and development, which would remain invulnerable in the event of a conflict today

The point is that now all, without exception, aircraft of even 2020 development are knocked down by a technologically advanced enemy at the expense of one or two when aviation tries to work on the ground without using remotely controlled weapons - missiles or gliding bombs with a radius of 100 km.

The manned aircraft has become just a platform for weapons - which does not negate the presence of super-maneuverability for him to evade RVV on the terminal leg of their flight.

In the field of air support for the ground forces, small UAVs with optics operating at a distance of 15-25 km and ammunition with laser or television guidance are in charge. The cost of such a UAV is an order of magnitude less than the cost of a manned aircraft and a pilot training course. The cost of a guided munition such as an MLRS rocket or a kamikaze drone is comparable to the cost of a manned aircraft departure. At the same time, the range of a 300-mm URS reaches 200 km, which overlaps the zone of operation of front-line aviation.

But the Army High Command of the RF Ministry of Defense continues to clap its ears and cheerfully report "about reducing the time of using weapons by 2,5 times."

PS Abrams in Yemen are not equipped with KAZ.

[mvg]

that now, without exception, planes of even 2020 development are knocked down by a technologically advanced enemy at the expense of one or two when aviation tries to work on the ground without using remotely controlled weapons - missiles or gliding bombs with a radius of 100 km.

Did the חיל האוויר run up the upgraded S-125/200/300 PMU2 in Syria? Dozens ... if not hundreds. And in order for the GBU-39 to fly the promised 70 km, it must be dropped from 15 km. And thrown from a low flight.

[Operator]

Read in Russian: "work on the ground without the use of remotely controlled weapons."

The plane drops a gliding bomb with aerodynamic quality 10 at an altitude of 10 km, after which the bomb flies at a distance of 100 km, and the plane dives beyond the radio horizon of ground air defense radars to an altitude of 500 meters. There are also gliding bombs with a rocket booster, which are raised 10 km on OUT, and then they plan from there - the plane does not light up on radars at all.

[Deniso]

If the mountain does not go to the plane, then the plane goes to the mountain ...

[yfast]

Quote: hydroy

Shcha MTN, Alena from Baku and anonymous with a tank on ave will correct you)

They have a lunch break from 12.00 to 14.00, like any self-respecting office.

[Alien From]

It seems that both sides have endless stormtroopers ...

[Old26]

Quote: Resident of the Urals

I must say the propaganda of the Azerbaijanis is at a high level.
Aliyev himself constantly defends his position at a high diplomatic level, competently, you will not dig in.

Well, a graduate of MGIMO, does that speak for itself ??

Quote: A resident of the Urals

Constant broadcasts of news to their audience, which, turn the audience on and cultivate aggression, over on the forums, Azerbaijanis begin to threaten those who disagree with them.

Well, it does not cultivate aggression, but raise motivation ... Yes, and Azerbaijanis do not threaten, if they do not openly begin to "run over"

Quote: SanichSan

Quote: Resident of the Urals

I must say the propaganda of the Azerbaijanis is at a high level.

I must say that Azerbaijan's propaganda is already very reminiscent of Ukrainian some have been fighting with the RF Armed Forces for 6 years, others have been winning the NKR Armed Forces.

The only difference is that Ukraine has been fighting virtually with Russia for 6 years, while Azerbaijan really defeats Armenia in the NKR. The amount of destroyed equipment and the professionalism of the Azerbaijani army speaks for itself.

[Azimuth]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

Where are the debris or video shootings? Both Armenians and Azeris often state about the shooting down of manned aircraft, without providing any evidence.

On the last Su-25, a video was posted on Twitter today, it is on fire, but the Armenians are running to the wreckage, judging by the language. So who's that downed xs.

[Azimuth]

Quote: SanichSan

Quote: Resident of the Urals

I must say the propaganda of the Azerbaijanis is at a high level.

I must say that Azerbaijan's propaganda is already very reminiscent of Ukrainian some have been fighting with the RF Armed Forces for 6 years, others have been winning the NKR Armed Forces.

No, there are battles between the armies of Azerbaijan and Armenia, clearly not the Ukrainian version, where the local militia also played an important role, plus there were many units of volunteers, and not line units of our army as they sang in Kiev.

In this case, the battles of the line units of the armies of the two countries are evident, the fact that in Armenia they call their forces in Karabakh as they like, this is their own affair, it does not change the essence. True, from the Armenian side, the further, the less they will remain.

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