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"It takes a lot of fuel for maneuverability": a pilot in the USA appreciated the MiG-29 fighter

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"It takes a lot of fuel for maneuverability": a pilot in the USA appreciated the MiG-29 fighter

The Soviet fighter MiG-29 is a highly maneuverable aircraft, but it lacks range and situational awareness.


This is the opinion of the retired US Air Force pilot Guy Razer, writes The National Interest.

While still in active service in the Air Force, Reiser, together with other American instructors, took part in the training of Polish pilots after Poland's accession to NATO. Since the Polish Air Force was armed with Soviet MiG-29 fighters, the Americans took part in their tests. As the newspaper writes, in 2001, Reiser managed to fly a Soviet fighter.

The retired American pilot compared the MiG-29 to the American F-15E. According to him, the Soviet aircraft was very maneuverable, but it lacked flight range and situational awareness. In addition, according to Reiser, the MiG-29 consumed a lot of fuel.

The aircraft was very maneuverable when needed, but it took a lot of fuel (...) it lacked general situational awareness and range

- said the ex-pilot of the US Air Force.

Earlier, The National Interest called the upgraded MiG-29 "a modern combat vehicle."

The MiG-29 (according to NATO codification: Fulcrum - fulcrum) is a Soviet (Russian) multipurpose fighter belonging to the 4th generation. It was created in the MiG Design Bureau, made its first flight on October 6, 1977. The first serial modification entered the army in 1983.
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  1. Svetlana
    Svetlana 2 November 2020 09: 09
    17
    The end of the seventies, when this car was created, gasoline cost three rubles per canister. And then no one thought about saving it. There were no computers and the Internet today. Therefore, in technical aspects, that pilot is right.
    He is not right that he is trying to transfer today's requirements to yesterday's technique.
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 2 November 2020 09: 19
      26
      Quote: Svetlana
      The end of the seventies, when this car was created, gasoline cost three rubles per canister. And then no one thought about saving it. There were no computers and the Internet today. Therefore, in technical aspects, that pilot is right.
      He is not right that he is trying to transfer today's requirements to yesterday's technique.

      Well, actually, they thought about fuel economy. It's not about how much fuel costs, but how much there is on board. The MiG-29 has a really small amount of fuel in its internal tanks. In the USSR, the MiG-29 was teased for this as a "short-range fighter". Well, we flew from the PTB.

      In the modified version, the specific Migovsky air intake with air intake from above in takeoff and landing modes was removed and, due to this, the internal fuel supply was increased.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 2 November 2020 14: 25
        +1
        Quote: Mik13
        increased the internal fuel supply.

        ".... according to General Director Mikhail Korzhuev, other specialists of MAPO" MIG ", as well as relying on proprietary information materials on the vehicle. Additional fuel is placed in two conformal tanks with a total capacity of 2020 liters (1585 kg). Thanks to this, the range of the fighter when solving air-to-air missions without PTBs, it increased by 3 times ... "According to some reports, the MiG-5 fleet available in the RF Aerospace Forces is being persistently upgraded to the level of the MiG-29 SMT. And this is a somewhat more advanced car. I think that Mr. Svetlan is right, today it would be necessary to evaluate the vehicles in service, and not what was once.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 2 November 2020 19: 32
          0
          Quote: Hagen
          I think that Mr. Svetlan is right, today it would be necessary to evaluate the vehicles in service, and not what was once.

          Good technique also needs straight arms. And not those that grow from the same place where the legs come from. And in the crooked hands and AKMS Sun - they will say that he does not shoot ... We somehow did shoot. And even got to the right place ...
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 2 November 2020 20: 58
            -1
            As far as I understood the article, the issues of combat training and the level of flight skills of the retired military were not discussed. What does your crooked hands have to do with it?
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 2 November 2020 23: 20
              +3
              Quote: Hagen
              As far as I understood the article, the issues of combat training and the level of flight skills of the retired military were not discussed. What does your crooked hands have to do with it?

              Despite the fact that I "live" saw that our flyers on the MiG-29 are able to do. And the "impressions" of some NATO retiree do not carry anything informative about whether the plane is good or bad.
              1. seregatara1969
                seregatara1969 3 November 2020 05: 08
                +1
                Not knowing the car and not having permission to fly on it to judge the fuel consumption? We perfectly understand that a good pilot was able to take off in a car, and was able to somehow control the car, this does not mean anything
                1. krizis
                  krizis 3 November 2020 10: 19
                  0
                  The limited range is visible to the naked eye simply while observing flights. It's just that they, Migi, have to be planted very quickly. It seems that they have just taken off, - already to plant everyone.
              2. Hagen
                Hagen 3 November 2020 05: 45
                +4
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                Despite the fact that I "live" saw that our flyers on the MiG-29 are able to do. And the "impressions" of some NATO retirement

                According to the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation dated 08.12.2019/2019/350000 hours in the Air Force, the plan for flying in the 90 academic year was completed in full, the total flight time was more than 2018 hours. This made it possible to achieve an average flight time of more than 110 hours for a pilot, and more than XNUMX hours for a young pilot who graduated in XNUMX.
                US naval aviation pilots use high-quality simulators to work out up to 300 hours a year, along the way up to 300 hours do on live F-18s.
                It should be borne in mind that 10 working aircraft carriers have no less than 100 pilots (in total, no less than 1000, and even a reserve of naval aviation) capable of taking off and landing on a moving deck. This is also an indicator of the level of flying skill. We hardly have more than 30 people. I would not criticize the foe so categorically. It cost us dearly once.
    2. svp67
      svp67 2 November 2020 09: 25
      +8
      Quote: Svetlana
      And then no one thought about saving it.

      And did you think about the range of combat use?
      Quote: Svetlana
      He is not right that he is trying to transfer today's requirements to yesterday's technique.

      I agree. Moreover, it would not hurt to compare that MiG with the F-16
      1. Technical engineer
        Technical engineer 3 November 2020 21: 57
        +1
        he compares the MiG-29, the one that is 9-12. The first modification, which was in our smaller brothers (Poland, East Germany, Iraq, etc.) and F-16Blok52, which has huge additional tanks riveted over the wing. There is a difference in flight range. And even greater maneuverability is not in favor of the American this time. Because the thrust-to-weight ratio of this F-16 is less than 0,9. In general, I compared soft with salty.
        1. svp67
          svp67 4 November 2020 06: 35
          0
          Quote: Technical Engineer
          he compares the MiG-29, the one that is 9-12. The first modification, which was in our smaller brothers (Poland, East Germany, Iraq, etc.) and F-16Blok52, which has huge additional tanks riveted over the wing.

          Strange, I apparently have "optical illusion"
          The retired American pilot compared the MiG-29 to the American F-15E.
    3. Proxima
      Proxima 2 November 2020 09: 29
      +2
      Quote: Svetlana
      The end of the seventies, when this car was created, gasoline cost three rubles per canister.

      Since when did the MiG-29 fly on gasoline? belay
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 2 November 2020 09: 45
        +7
        Since when did the MiG-29 fly on gasoline? belay

        and where did I say this?
        I don’t remember the price of diesel fuel, but the cost of kerosene in the kerosene shop, if you know what it is and what they were for, was something about 8-10 kopecks per liter.
        1. ancient
          ancient 2 November 2020 17: 42
          +3
          Quote: Svetlana
          and the cost of kerosene in the kerosene shop, if you know what it is and what they were needed for, was something about 8-10 kopecks per liter.

          1.Do not confuse AIRCRAFT fuel and kerosene from the .. kerosene shop wassat
          2.In the 70s, kerosene in the shop cost 2 kopecks, and AI-76 - 6 kopecks per liter wink
    4. ancient
      ancient 2 November 2020 12: 16
      11
      Quote: Svetlana
      when this car was created, gasoline cost three rubles per canister.

      Yes, even a penny for a canister, because the conversation is not for the price, but for the tactical range.
      And the first 9-12 were called so (the aircraft of the WB over the DPRM).
      Quote: Svetlana
      He is not right that he is trying to transfer today's requirements to yesterday's technique.

      And he does not try to "anything" ... transfers, but specifically talks about the fighters produced in the series before 2000. wink
      And the first fighters 9-12,9, 13-9 and 13-9C, well, UB'shka 51-33 ... were practically .. "prototypes", but the "Klimovsk" double-circuit TRDF RD-XNUMX "were distinguished" by "excellent appetite" wassat
    5. smart ass
      smart ass 2 November 2020 21: 25
      0
      Mig 29 eats a lot? They have not yet driven into the forest in a UAZ.
    6. 3danimal
      3danimal 3 November 2020 01: 04
      0
      Remember when the first F-15 entered the army.
      C / D, and even more so / EX have received upgrades to avionics and engines. In particular, they received a "glass" cockpit and an on-board radar with AFAR, new engines (compare the specific thrust in the fighter version).
      Where is all this on the MiG-29?
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 2 November 2020 09: 21
    +9
    The retired American pilot compared the MiG-29 to the American F-15E.
    And why, in fact, not with the F-16?
    The rival of the F-15 was the Su-27!
    1. loki565
      loki565 2 November 2020 09: 24
      13
      Because F16 does not even fly to the toilet without additional tanks)))
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 2 November 2020 09: 27
        -11 qualifying.
        Quote: loki565
        Because F16 does not even fly to the toilet without additional tanks
        ... but for the Su-27 it is production, as for the F-15 it is production for the MiG-29.
        1. Lozovik
          Lozovik 2 November 2020 09: 34
          +8
          Quote: Victor_B
          as for F-15 production of MiG-29.

          Can you explain?
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 2 November 2020 09: 40
            0
            It's Easy!
            There are two classes of fighters - heavy for gaining air superiority (F-15, F-22, Su-27, Su-35, Su-57) and light multipurpose front-line (F-16, F-35, Mig-29, Mig -35).
            And their tasks are different.
            1. Lozovik
              Lozovik 2 November 2020 09: 57
              11
              Quote: Victor_B
              There are two classes of fighters - heavy for gaining air superiority

              We don't have such a class. The MiG-29 is not much smaller or lighter than the F-15.



              The MiG-29 is a front-line fighter designed to destroy enemy aircraft in air battles at medium and short distances, to cover troops and facilities in the rear of the front from enemy air strikes and aerial reconnaissance.
              In long-range missile combat, the combat capabilities are equal to the F-15A, superior to the F-16A, and in the short-range missile combat equal to or superior to the F-15A and F-16A
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 3 November 2020 01: 23
                +1
                The MiG-29 was never equal in the DVB F-15A (maybe I would like to, but the designers had specifications and restrictions on the size and weight of equipment).
                APG-63 even of the first modifications "saw" a 4th generation fighter with 100 + km in PES
                In the MiG, this figure is 2 times lower. Inexpensive front-line fighter.
                "Range of target detection with RCS of 3 m3000 in the PTS at an altitude of more than 50 m - 70-XNUMX km"
                “Combat use of the aircraft. Methodological manual for the pilot, edition No. 2. p.88 "
                1. Lozovik
                  Lozovik 3 November 2020 18: 33
                  0
                  Quote: 3danimal
                  APG-63 even of the first modifications "saw" a 4th generation fighter with 100 + km in PES

                  The maximum detection range of the AN / APG-63 (V) 1 radar for MiG-29 targets is 80-85 km.

                  Quote: 3danimal
                  "Range of target detection with RCS of 3 m3000 in the PTS at an altitude of more than 50 m - 70-XNUMX km"
                  “Combat use of the aircraft. Methodological manual for the pilot, edition No. 2. p.88 "

                  The target with σ = 3 m² is the MiG-21BIS, it is significantly inferior in size to the F-15.
                  1. 3danimal
                    3danimal 4 November 2020 05: 04
                    0
                    The target with σ = 3 m² is the MiG-21BIS, it is significantly inferior in size to the F-15.

                    EPR is determined not only by physical dimensions (F-18s is also larger than MiG-21)
                    The maximum detection range of the AN / APG-63 (V) 1 radar for MiG-29 targets is 80-85 km.

                    Where does the data come from?
                    In addition, the MiG EPR is more than 3 m2:

                    MiG-21 - 3 square meters. m
                    MiG-29 - 5 square meters. m
                    F-16C, F-18C - 1,2 sq. m
                    1. Lozovik
                      Lozovik 6 November 2020 22: 18
                      0
                      Quote: 3danimal
                      EPR is determined not only by physical dimensions (F-18s is also larger than MiG-21)

                      And, accordingly, it has a large σ.

                      Quote: 3danimal
                      Where does the data come from?

                      Manual for the combat use of the MiG-29 aircraft.

                      Quote: 3danimal
                      In addition, the MiG EPR is more than 3 m2:

                      MiG-21 - 3 square meters. m
                      MiG-29 - 5 square meters. m
                      F-16C, F-18C - 1,2 sq. m

                      Doubtful data, to put it mildly.
                      1. 3danimal
                        3danimal 6 November 2020 22: 56
                        0
                        Doubtful data, to put it mildly.

                        Ok, the F-22 is also larger than the MiG-21. smile
                        Everything lies on the surface: the best build quality, a metallized canopy, and, what is important, radial grilles in the air intakes that cover the compressor blades.
                        Manual for the combat use of the MiG-29 aircraft.

                        Which is more reliable than the manufacturer's data?
                        Here Poghosyan says that the EPR of the F-22 is almost the same as that of the Su-57.
                        Despite the s-shaped air intakes, one-piece metallized lantern, the absence of protruding rivets, etc.

                      2. Lozovik
                        Lozovik 9 November 2020 01: 07
                        0
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        Everything lies on the surface: the best build quality, a metallized canopy, and, what is important, radial grilles in the air intakes that cover the compressor blades.

                        Is this about the F / A-18C? BHA and fan are clearly visible:



                        Quote: 3danimal
                        Which is more reliable than the manufacturer's data?

                        The manual has been compiled based, among other things, on data from technical documentation.

                        Quote: 3danimal
                        Despite the s-shaped air intakes, one-piece metallized lantern, the absence of protruding rivets, etc.

                        What other riveting? These are quarter-turn locks. F-22 for comparison:


                        The photo shows the prototype of the T-50; the production vehicles have a special coating.
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal 3 November 2020 01: 19
      -1
      Ok, compare the flight range of the MiG-35 and F-16 block 50, both with a fighter attachment.
      The first has:
      "Range with normal combat load: 1000 km"
      (The same 2xR-27 / R-77 and 2xR-73)
      The second one:
      "Without conformal tanks, 3 liters in PTB, 940 × AIM-2, 120 × AIM-2, air patrol: 9 km."
      Remove the ATB and the F-1000 will have the same 16 km. This despite the fact that for the 35th increased the volume of the fuel tanks.
      1. Lozovik
        Lozovik 3 November 2020 18: 47
        0
        Quote: 3danimal
        Remove the ATB and the F-1000 will have the same 16 km.

        An aircraft with a practical range of 1320 km without tanks and missiles? Miracles ... To calculate the tactical radius with air combat, multiply Dprakt by 0,33.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 4 November 2020 05: 30
          0
          This is not a practical range, but the combat radius of an air patrol.
          Conformal tanks and PTBs are hung on the Sokol so that its radius is equal to that of a heavy fighter. Or when using it as a strike aircraft (which is facilitated by a large maximum ammunition load).
          1. Lozovik
            Lozovik 6 November 2020 22: 22
            0
            Quote: 3danimal
            This is not a practical range, but the combat radius of an air patrol.

            Study the Flight Manual (fortunately, it is freely available), calculate the kilometer costs, the consumption for launching, heating, taxiing, takeoff, climb, descent, landing, warranty margin and unworked balance, then you will immediately no longer want to write such nonsense.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 6 November 2020 23: 10
              0
              Calculate kilometer costs, start-up, warm-up, taxiing, take-off, climb, descent, landing, safety margin and unused balance

              I took data from Vicky.
              Here is from English:
              Combat range: 295 nmi (339 mi, 546 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with 4x 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs

              546 km with 2200kg load (without PTB). And "2 × AIM-120, 2 × AIM-9" weigh only 500kg.
              1. Lozovik
                Lozovik 9 November 2020 01: 08
                0
                Quote: 3danimal
                I took data from Vicky.

                The level of knowledge is clear.
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  • Yrec
    Yrec 2 November 2020 09: 40
    +5
    The Su-15 should be compared with the F-27E, not the MiG-29. These are different types of aircraft with different missions. Another bunch in a puddle.
  • SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 2 November 2020 09: 41
    +1
    29e Polish and our modern two big differences, both in terms of fuel and awareness. It is absolutely true that the comparison with f15 is not correct. And so .. the pilot will be up to light with a full tank, he was shot down or with a quarter.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 3 November 2020 01: 54
      +1
      With a quarter, you exit the battle and return to base.
      1. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 3 November 2020 07: 51
        0
        I do not quite understand how to get out of the battle in the presence of radars and missiles, who will release you, a couple of AIMs will be thrown into the pursuit and you will eat the ground.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 3 November 2020 14: 52
          0
          Going down to earth
          , as an option, turn on the jamming station.
          1. SARANCHA1976
            SARANCHA1976 3 November 2020 21: 46
            0
            Maneuvers far from reality with questionable effectiveness
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 2 November 2020 10: 22
    0
    Why is a light aircraft compared to a heavy one? Let's compare the "needle" with the Su - 27
    1. iouris
      iouris 2 November 2020 10: 45
      +1
      Quote: TermNachTER
      Let's compare the "needle" with the Su - 27

      The Su-27 is a highly maneuverable aircraft, however it lacks situational awareness.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 2 November 2020 12: 47
        +1
        Then let's compare with A - 50.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 4 November 2020 05: 37
          0
          Absurd. Let's compare the A-50 with the E-3 request
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 4 November 2020 13: 08
            -1
            Isn't it absurd to compare the machines of the 70s and 2000s?))) If the MiG-29 had undergone a number of upgrades, the question is, what would be better
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 4 November 2020 13: 58
              0
              And compare cars from the 70s

              You can compare the modern F-15 with the Su-35 in terms of situational awareness.
              The first radar station with AFAR, which gives a number of advantages.
              Armament is very important. In our air force, the main weapons are still versions of the R-27 missile. F-ki take only AIM-120 (from medium / long range).
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 4 November 2020 18: 33
                -1
                Situational awareness is only one aspect, and there are many of them, not to mention the preparedness of the pilots, etc.
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 5 November 2020 08: 39
                  0
                  You can compare the average flight time of pilots.
                  Now we have to live up to close combat.
                  And the problem of replacing missiles remains. "They" do not use missiles with PARL seeker at all, do you understand?
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 5 November 2020 12: 56
                    -2
                    I understand, and I also like that the pilots of the MP had to urgently add salaries, because they wanted to quit. And it's not even a war
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal 5 November 2020 14: 34
                      0
                      I understand, and I also like that the pilots of the MP had to urgently add salaries, because they wanted to quit.

                      I have not found such news.
                      Are you trying to say that experience is not the main thing and they all scatter / scatter? By analogy, American MMA fighters ... shouldn't exist at all. smile
                      Nonsense, of course. A person who is consistently taught to fight will fight. Higher wages only mean greater access to goods and services.
                      1. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 5 November 2020 18: 43
                        -1
                        Waving fists and competently using complex equipment are very different things. And mattress makers have a very touching love for their skins.
                      2. 3danimal
                        3danimal 6 November 2020 04: 05
                        0
                        competently operate complex equipment

                        Here all the rules. High average plaque.
                        And the good condition of the park.
                        Swing fists

                        An example with motivation.
                        And mattress makers have a very touching love for their skins.

                        They select and educate people with the right qualities. They do not hold anyone by force.
                        It is generally dangerous to rely on "the enemy will be afraid".
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal 4 November 2020 05: 38
      0
      Outperforms in maneuverability at speeds around 0,6M.
  • bar
    bar 2 November 2020 11: 31
    -2
    according to Reiser, the MiG-29 consumed a lot of fuel

    For a gas station country this is not a problem laughing
    1. iouris
      iouris 2 November 2020 12: 41
      -1
      Fighter of kerosene.
  • Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 2 November 2020 12: 33
    +2
    I came across information that after the unification of Germany, the former GDR MiG-29s took part in the NATO exercises and in battles with the F-16s they showed themselves very well. Specifically, in terms of locators: the capabilities are approximately comparable, but on the F-16 it takes its range due to the sensitivity of the receiver, while for us the MiG-29 - due to the power of the transmitter. And when these two fighters worked together, our transmitter power completely hampered the work of their locator.
    ".. Peacocks, you say ....." ("White sun of the desert")
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 3 November 2020 02: 00
      +1
      The instant outperforms the Falcon by "1 circle fight", and the MiG Falcon by "2 circle". If the "carousel" is tied, the 16th will twist. (For engines without OVT)
      The MiG (it was in the 80s and 90s) has an advantage in close maneuver combat due to the NSC and R-73 missiles.
      It didn't help much in the 90s against the last "blocks" with the AIM-120 Imba.
      By the way, the cabin of the MiG (except for the latest modifications of the 00s and beyond) is noticeably older. Maximum "boilers", minimum screens. ILS is completely Spartan. (Though better than the MiG-23)
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 3 November 2020 10: 07
        +1
        Quote: 3danimal
        By the way, the MiG's cockpit (except for the latest modifications of the 00s and beyond) is noticeably older. Maximum "boilers", minimum screens. ILS is completely Spartan.
        Gradually changing.


        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 3 November 2020 14: 55
          +1
          I do not argue, I specifically specified smile
          except for the latest modifications 00s and beyond

          The question is, what percentage of those in the second photo and, even more so, in the third in the army.
          I will assume that 2 - within 30-40%, 3 - no more than 5%. request
      2. Lozovik
        Lozovik 3 November 2020 18: 41
        -1
        Quote: 3danimal
        The instant outperforms the Falcon by "1 circle fight", and the MiG Falcon by "2 circle". If the "carousel" is tied, the 16th will twist. (For engines without OVT)

        The MiG-29 surpasses the F-16A / C in nyrasp, nx dec, Vy, at some speeds it is 1-2 ° inferior in ωset.

        Quote: 3danimal
        By the way, the cabin of the MiG (except for the latest modifications of the 00s and beyond) is noticeably older.

        Where are they to supermodern needles laughing

        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 4 November 2020 05: 22
          0
          Where are they to supermodern needles

          We look at the cockpit of the average Igla and MiG-29. The difference is "insignificant", well, the first one has an unhelpful radar with AFAR.
          1. Lozovik
            Lozovik 6 November 2020 22: 23
            0
            The average MiG is a 9-19 machine, its cockpit looks like this:

            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 6 November 2020 23: 29
              0
              9-19 is a MiG-29 cmt. And they are by no means the majority.
              F-15:
              1. Lozovik
                Lozovik 9 November 2020 01: 12
                0
                Quote: 3danimal
                9-19 is a MiG-29 cmt. And they are by no means the majority.

                On 9-13 one regiment, the remaining 9-19, 9-41R, etc.

                Quote: 3danimal
                F-15:

                Photo of the upgraded F-15C above.
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 10 November 2020 04: 21
                  0
                  On 9-13 one regiment, the remaining 9-19, 9-41R, etc.

                  https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2827280.html
                  MiG-29 smt and ubm delivered 50 units in 2011-2020.
                  Only 44 / cmt, 6 / ubm and 70 / UB. There are much more old people.
                  There are 467 Super Hornets and 400 F-18 C / D. That is, apart from the number, most of the cars are modern. (Despite the fact that C / D is not too far behind)
            2. 3danimal
              3danimal 7 November 2020 06: 56
              0
              And here's the Super Hornet:
              1. Lozovik
                Lozovik 9 November 2020 01: 12
                0
                This is a render, just computer graphics.
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 9 November 2020 04: 45
                  0
                  Is this a render too? smile The displays are identical.
                  https://youtu.be/Nj9D1Ls-_JM
                  And below the simulator:
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 2 November 2020 12: 50
    +7
    more detailed comparisons have long been translated and posted on the network:
    MiG-29 Fulcrum vs F-16 Viper
    http://mass-destruction-weapon.blogspot.com/2014/04/29-f-16.html
    Remember that fighters do not fight in a vacuum. One-on-one comparison is one thing, but engagement and situational awareness is even more important. The lack of tools for obtaining information about the tactical situation in the MiG-29 is becoming an increasingly important factor with the increase in the number of participants in air combat. Weak radar and HUD, poor cockpit ergonomics increase the pilot's workload and are the reason for his poor awareness of the environment. My experience shows that the results of one-on-one air combat within the visual range are determined more by the skill of the pilot than by the qualities of the aircraft.
    In multi-aircraft scenarios, such as a standard four-by-four training mission, the side with the best situational awareness takes precedence. In such missions, the F-15 and F-16 always outperform the MiG-29. In such conditions, they have practically no opportunity to use the potential of the combination of the helmet-mounted target designation system and the Archer. The design of the MiG-29 was the result of the Soviet take on tactical aviation and reflected the level of technology available to their aviation industry.


    There are translated reviews of Polish pilots in the network comparing the MiG-29 and F-16
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 3 November 2020 02: 07
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      Weak radar and HUD

      About ILS: very minimalistic (even meager), immediately noticeable in comparison with the F-15/16/18.
      1. Lozovik
        Lozovik 3 November 2020 18: 51
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        ASP-23DCM with a fuel dispenser can be called meager, but not ASP-23ML, or even more so SEI-31. Have you seen them in the picture? I am silent about reality ...
        1. Lozovik
          Lozovik 3 November 2020 19: 30
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          Quote: Lozovik
          ASP-23ML

          Error reading ASP-17ML.
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal 4 November 2020 05: 32
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          I saw the base ILS MiG-29, in comparison with the mentioned F-kami. But I agree, there are worse.
          1. Lozovik
            Lozovik 6 November 2020 22: 30
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            What a meager indicator! Wait a minute, this is an F-15, then everything is fine.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 7 November 2020 07: 10
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              In comparison, it is scarce. And small image size.
              There is also a photo of the F-18 cockpit above.
              1. Lozovik
                Lozovik 9 November 2020 01: 27
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                Quote: 3danimal
                In comparison, it is scarce.

                What other indication do you need in NO mode - asynchronous firing?

                Quote: 3danimal
                And small image size.

                Did you study optics at school? The size of the image is larger along the line of sight of the pilot.

                Quote: 3danimal
                There is also a photo of the F-18 cockpit above.

                Is it a photo? It is impossible to obtain such an image from a collimator at an angle.
  • jaroff
    jaroff 2 November 2020 18: 14
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    There is such an aviation joke since Soviet times: "Mig-29 is a long-range aircraft over a short-range drive."
  • Alexey Koshkarov
    Alexey Koshkarov 2 November 2020 19: 35
    +1
    Something the American pilot decided to compare a heavy fighter with a light one. Another would be a Zaporozhets with a tractor K 701 compared by a wise guy
  • nod739
    nod739 2 November 2020 21: 22
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    29th is correct to compare with f-16
    A F-15 with 27