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"The assault on Karabakh stalled": the Polish press writes about the "disruption" of the Azerbaijani offensive

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The rapidly developing offensive of the Azerbaijani troops came to an end. Now we can expect significant changes in the dynamics of hostilities.


This opinion is voiced by Polish expert Witold Repetovich (in his words, he is in the conflict zone), declaring that the Azerbaijani offensive has been "disrupted". According to him, the assault on Karabakh by the Azerbaijani army has stalled:

In the fifth week of the war, Azerbaijan did not achieve any significant success, in particular, it failed to threaten the Goris-Stepanakert highway [the capital of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic] and failed to capture any of the major cities.


Gateway to the capital


Moreover, the attempt to capture the city of Shushi, which should have preceded the capture of Stepanakert, "ended in failure for Azerbaijan." This settlement is of great strategic importance.

The one who controls Shushi controls Karabakh

- stated the head of Artsakh Arayik Harutyunyan, noting that the enemy is already 6 km away from the settlement.

As the said expert explains, the importance of Shushi is mainly related to its location on a high and steep hill overlooking Stepanakert. In his words, in the early 1990s, Azerbaijanis fired at the capital of Karabakh from the cathedral in Shushi, as they believed that the Armenians would not fire at one of their most important temples.

Therefore, it is not surprising that the information voiced by Harutyunyan caused great concern. Only a few hours later, additional information appeared, which brought some peace of mind. It turned out that not the whole front, but part of it, had moved away from Shushi 6 km. Subsequently, the assault underway here was drowned out:

Our army [...] destroyed this bridgehead [offensive with a large number of troops], and thus the first attack was effectively neutralized

- stated in the leadership of Artsakh.

Results of battles


According to the Polish press, in another area of ​​the theater of operations in Martakert, where intense hostilities were being conducted, the situation suddenly returned to normal. The Armenians explain this by the attack on the Azerbaijani city of Barda, committed on Wednesday, as a result of which, in their words, important military facilities intended for shelling Karabakh were destroyed. The same thing happened after the shelling of Ganja, which interrupted the shelling of Stepanakert by Azerbaijanis for several days. According to the expert, this indicates that Baku is placing its military facilities in areas of concentration of settlements.

At present, Azerbaijan has achieved operational success, having seized the plains in the south of Artsakh and temporarily taking control of the border with Iran, but further hostilities will take place in mountainous, wooded areas and will have a completely different character. As a result, after a month of fighting, Azerbaijan managed to take control of only 10-15% of the territory of Karabakh.

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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 2 November 2020 08: 50
    11
    The rapidly developing offensive of the Azerbaijani troops came to an end. Now we can expect significant changes in the dynamics of hostilities.

    Normal process.
    No one can / could ever come infinitely.
    Resources are running out, communications are stretching.
    UAVs and missiles for them are probably already running out.
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      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 2 November 2020 09: 08
        +9
        Quote: Svetlana
        Endlessly attack, that is to say, to fight, no one ever plans. They plan to conquer territories and subordinate them to their power.

        In this case, the successes of Azerbaijan are weighty, rough, visible, but the ultimate goal was the capture (or liberation) of the ENTIRE NKR territory.
        And they were not far from complete success. And at the moment "it is not over yet."
        If Shusha is captured, then Karabakh is over!
        For Armenians, everything is still hanging by a thread ...
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 2 November 2020 09: 18
          -6
          Quote: Victor_B
          In this case, the successes of Azerbaijan are weighty, rough, visible, but the ultimate goal was the capture (or liberation) of the ENTIRE NKR territory.

          The liberation of the so-called NKR security belt, that is, the seven regions of Azerbaijan occupied by Armenia, should be regarded as an impossible maximum, as an objective reality.
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 2 November 2020 09: 19
            +7
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            the liberation of the so-called NKR security belt, that is, the seven regions of Azerbaijan occupied by Armenia, should be regarded as an objective reality.

            Well, this goal has not been achieved either.
            Yet.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 2 November 2020 09: 22
              -4
              hi
              Quote: Victor_B
              Well, this goal has not been achieved either.
              Yet.

              Not yet reached. And the territory of NKR, the Azerbaijanis will not be allowed to take away other foreign policy players. Unrecognized republics and "frozen" conflicts are in vogue these days.
              1. Victor_B
                Victor_B 2 November 2020 09: 24
                +3
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                And the territory of NKR, the Azerbaijanis will not be allowed to take away other foreign policy players.

                This is how the Sultan decides ...
                If the Lachin corridor and Stepanokert fall ... then that's it! ...
                The defense resource will run out in a matter of days ...
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 2 November 2020 09: 40
                  -7
                  Quote: Victor_B
                  This is how the Sultan decides ...

                  Personally, I am inclined to view this conflict as a proxy war between the Russian Federation and Turkey for dominance in the energy markets of Europe. In any case, the Sultan, as well as Russia, does not decide much on their own.
                  1. Victor_B
                    Victor_B 2 November 2020 09: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Quote: Victor_B
                    This is how the Sultan decides ...

                    Personally, I am inclined to view this conflict as a proxy war between the Russian Federation and Turkey for dominance in the energy markets of Europe. In any case, the Sultan, as well as Russia, does not decide much on their own.

                    It does not interfere.
                    And the sultan has already broken off the chain!
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 2 November 2020 09: 52
                      +3
                      Quote: Victor_B
                      It does not interfere

                      That's right.
                      Quote: Victor_B
                      And the sultan has already broken off the chain!

                      As the saying goes, "nothing personal, just money." The Sultan really wants to get into the European gas market, and "the pig is small, there is not enough for everyone," so he is trying to expand his market share at the expense of the Russian Federation.
                  2. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 2 November 2020 17: 39
                    0
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    is inclined to view this conflict as a proxy war between the Russian Federation and Turkey for dominance in the energy markets of Europe.


                    How can Turkey dominate the European energy market? What will she sell?
                    1. boris epstein
                      boris epstein 3 November 2020 08: 42
                      +1
                      Russian gas through its European hub. But for this special "thanks" to the brothers from Bulgaria - South Stream had to go through it and initially the hub had to be in Bulgaria. Brothers nagged everyone, and themselves in the first place, since this hub will supply Hungary, Romania, Croatia, Greece, Serbia, Italy, southern France, Bulgaria itself.
                      1. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 3 November 2020 12: 34
                        -2
                        Where will it get Russian gas - Russia will supply it itself so that Turkey can compete with Russia? What nonsense.
                      2. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 3 November 2020 19: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Eye of the Crying
                        Where will it get Russian gas - Russia will supply it itself so that Turkey can compete with Russia? What nonsense.

                        "Turkish Gas Fields" insert this request into google. And perhaps a lot will become more clear to you.
                      3. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 3 November 2020 19: 40
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        "Turkish Gas Fields"


                        They do exist, but with their size there is no talk of "domination on the European energy market".
                2. Petro_tut
                  Petro_tut 3 November 2020 20: 52
                  -1
                  What will she sell?

                  Donut hole - or rather energy transportation services
              2. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 3 November 2020 18: 46
                -1
                and how will this affect the "energy"?
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 2 November 2020 12: 45
              +2
              Quote: Victor_B
              This is how the Sultan decides ...

              The Sultan, not the navel of the earth, naturally those who sit above the Sultan.
    2. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 2 November 2020 09: 35
      +8
      Yes, already near Shushi.
      This is not a safety belt. This is one of the key positions in Karabakh.
      Looks like a Polish journalist measures the success of the captured areas (in square kilometers)

      The war of attrition in Armenia cannot be pulled.
    3. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 3 November 2020 18: 44
      -1
      so they had it the same last time .. passed the plains, and then got stuck in the mountains ..
  • Yrec
    Yrec 2 November 2020 09: 35
    +6
    The nature of the battles and their results were clear from the very beginning. The return by Azerbaijan of part of its southern lowland regions during the first phase was predictable. This was realized through standard combined arms combat, where Baku had an obvious advantage. As soon as the Azerbaijanis approached the wooded foothills, their advance, as expected, stalled. Baku does not, in sufficient numbers, have units capable of conducting a database in such conditions. In the mountains, the importance of military equipment drops sharply, and knowledge of the terrain, moral qualities and training of a particular soldier come first. To put it simply, Baku will not win in the mountains. He will have to be content with recaptured plain areas. The return of NPOs under their control would be possible with the rapid return of the Lachin region during the offensive through the southern regions (the so-called Lachin corridor, which separates the NPO from Armenia). But since this did not happen during the first phase, the offensive fizzled out, the goal was not achieved. The war will go into a protracted phase, or it will be possible to agree on the line of the current situation with a freeze of the conflict for some time.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 2 November 2020 12: 48
      +2
      Armenia needs to restore its air defense urgently, at least to tighten up MANPADS. I think they have enough ATGM for technology ...
      1. Alex Pokryshkin
        Alex Pokryshkin 3 November 2020 22: 54
        0
        It is not clear where to recover from. Everything that was purchased from Russia at the expense of its own soft loans was successfully and ineptly destroyed with the help of drones.
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 3 November 2020 18: 47
      -1
      and the special forces and mountain riflemen have already been pinched on them.
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 3 November 2020 08: 35
    0
    The West (oddly enough) stopped supplying Turkey with engines for the Bayraktar UAV. Now the destructive power of the Azerbaijani army will fall by 60 percent.
  • Alex Pokryshkin
    Alex Pokryshkin 3 November 2020 22: 52
    +1
    I think that here the Armenian army is rather running out of ammunition and weapons. Given the total control over the air of the Azerbaijani army, they will methodically destroy equipment, manpower and ammunition depots that Armenia still has. I don't think they have a shortage of drones, given the help from Turkey and Israel. And Azerbaijan itself is not a poor country; it has resources, unlike Armenia.
  • Trojan_wolf
    Trojan_wolf 2 November 2020 08: 51
    +1
    Will the conflict drag on for another 30 years?
    1. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 2 November 2020 09: 37
      +4
      Right now you will be nailed here. winked

      We will see.
  • Stock
    Stock 2 November 2020 09: 04
    +3
    Another Pegov, only with a Polish passport
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 2 November 2020 09: 13
      0
      Quote: Stock
      Another Pegov, only with a Polish passport

      What's wrong with Pegov?
      1. Stock
        Stock 2 November 2020 09: 21
        +3
        Are you seriously wondering what's wrong with him? There was a lot of information about his engagement and one-sided presentation of the material. In addition, a person cannot be really objective being all the time in the combat zone only from one side and receiving information from only one source
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 2 November 2020 12: 49
          +2
          But how many wishes for death does he have), just lovely and wonderful Azerbaijanis)
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 2 November 2020 13: 55
          0
          Quote: Stock
          Are you seriously wondering what's wrong with him? There was a lot of information about his engagement and one-sided presentation of the material. In addition, a person cannot be really objective being all the time in the combat zone only from one side and receiving information from only one source

          If he is in a combat zone and talks about what he sees with his own eyes, then how can you accuse him of bias? Who is objective then?
          1. Otshelnik
            Otshelnik 3 November 2020 11: 28
            +1
            For example, Hadrut was already with us and he argued the opposite ... there are many such facts .... fulfills the instructions of Gabrelyan, he does not care about objectivity.
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 3 November 2020 18: 49
              -2
              Well, as if journalists from the side of Baku were similarly noticed in lies ..
        3. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 3 November 2020 20: 55
          -1
          And what will become of him if he goes to Azerbaijan?
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 2 November 2020 09: 36
    +6
    They advanced, stopped, now they will regroup, replenish ammunition and equipment and start over. On one occasion, only the Croats succeeded. Now the Turks will plant Muslims from Syria, drones and special forces and will start anew. Interestingly, the worldwide mobilization of Armenians has already been announced. After all, people are not poor and, if they wanted to, they could hire PMCs and plant technicians.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 2 November 2020 09: 55
      +3
      Quote: Petrik66
      Now Turks will plant Muslims from Syria

      Azerbaijan has enough of its own "Muslims".
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 2 November 2020 17: 18
        0
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Quote: Petrik66
        Now Turks will plant Muslims from Syria

        Azerbaijan has enough of its own "Muslims".

        There are enough of their own, but they feel sorry for their own, and they do not have such a rich experience of military operations.
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 2 November 2020 12: 50
      +2
      Technique in the mountains? Well, except for a counteroffensive, it looks like the assault will be bloody, every day makes the fortress more serious.
      1. Petrik66
        Petrik66 2 November 2020 13: 13
        +1
        a fortress becomes stronger when it is saturated with fresh and experienced zoldates, as well as a large number of means of destruction of the enemy. if the Armenians have both the first and the second, then yes, the assault will be difficult, but if there is nothing left, then the remnants of the troops will be driven out by the same means as on the plain. War in the mountains is difficult for the defenders too.
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 2 November 2020 13: 17
          +1
          I think after the reports about Shushi there are large replenishments of volunteers, they also understand that this is the calm before the storm
    3. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 3 November 2020 18: 50
      -1
      1) there are not so many militants left in Syria + battles in forests and mountains are not their profile
  • Nadrub
    Nadrub 2 November 2020 09: 49
    +3
    Well, tactically, on the contrary, it is better to suspend before a decisive assault, firstly, to tighten up the rear, supplies and so on, and secondly, it is psychologically depressing, and the population dumps, the troops are greatly demoralized in anticipation of the assault.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 November 2020 10: 13
    +5
    Stock (Alex)
    Another Pegov, only with a Polish passport
    Who would speak. You are, in your expression, "pegovyh", only with an Azeri passport so many have registered on the site since the beginning of the conflict that mom do not worry. Work tirelessly for the benefit of "Azerinformburo". Pride and arrogance flow like a river. I won't be surprised if you soon start teaching Russia how to fight.
  • Alena-Baku
    Alena-Baku 2 November 2020 10: 19
    -5
    Everyone suddenly became analysts. For analytics, you need to know military affairs, political components, economics and, most importantly, have a LOGIC of thinking. I do not have military knowledge, but I will include logic and try to show the picture for the false analysts. Armenia is not Russia with its 140 million population and not even Poland with 35 million. In Armenia, the real population is about 2 million, according to official Armenian sources, 2500 people are charged with coronavirus a day and about 50 people die, if, in terms of percentage, for example, in Russia, it is 175 infected and 000 dead. Plus, every day, only from the video of Azerbaijani drones, you can see about 3500 killed, although I think there are much more of them, respectively, this is another 100 thousand in percentage. GOD DON'T GIVE and let God himself protect Russia from these wars and ailments, these are the numbers that Armenians feel and see. Moreover, the economic downturn, the war is not cheap, the Armenians lost their entire border with Iran and this border provided Armenia itself with logistics, Armenia has its own border with Iran, the serpentine is not profitable for the transportation of goods, and the Georgian road did not pass in winter and due to weather conditions. And from here the conclusion of the price will jump, pandemic, war, refugees. How much will Pashinyan pull?
    1. Ural resident
      Ural resident 2 November 2020 10: 49
      +5
      There is so much celebration in your words that Armenians are dying. Alena, turn on the logic. War is not entertainment but a very, very bad thing, you also have huge losses. In a war, the balance can always swing in the other direction, it is disgusting to look at these dances on the bones, the best thing for you would be to resume negotiations now, Putin has already announced: 7 regions to Azerbaijan, in Karabakh the Armenian population remains under the jurisdiction of Azerbaijan and Russian peacekeepers, so that no one has any "ideas". He voiced this after a two-day pause, which means that the decision was well-considered and thoughtful. So it will be so in any case, and the fewer people die before that, the better.
      1. Alena-Baku
        Alena-Baku 3 November 2020 00: 18
        0
        It seems like there was no dancing yet, but I promise you, the Armenian soldiers on the territory of Azerbaijan are terrorists. Are you serious about Putin? Azerbaijan agreed to 5 regions and waited 30 years, the UN as well as Russia, America, France and other powers that be in the world for 30 years guarantee the return of the territory and the return of 1 million refugees there as 30 years and as you can see there is nothing. When Putin arrived in Armenia, the first thing he did was to visit Kocheren's wife and petition for his release, but the pashik refused him. Turn on the TV from Solovyov to Bagdasarov, from Martirosyan to Simonyan, from Aram Gabrelyanov to Kurginyan, I can continue the list of places that Putin will not be openly enough for not sending Russian guys to fight for Armenians. Even your internet from Yandex to Rambler is run by Armenians, the prime minister is Armenian by mother, the minister of foreign affairs is an ethnic Armenian in these ministries in key positions of the Armenians. Googled the rich of Russia and count who is more Russians or Armenians. Compare your well-being with the taxi driver Ashot and then ask yourself a question: who is living well in Russia? and ask a better Russian from Sochi. Putin will resist the Armenians for a couple of days, and as soon as Biden is elected, a Russian soldier will go to die for the insanity of an Armenian.
        1. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 3 November 2020 21: 00
          -1
          Google the rich of Russia and count who is more than Russians or Armenians

          More Arzebaydzhans, and they are also richer
          1. Alena-Baku
            Alena-Baku 3 November 2020 22: 10
            0
            name at least two ethnic Azerbaijanis
      2. Alena-Baku
        Alena-Baku 3 November 2020 00: 36
        +1
        And I also forgot to tell you to hammer in Google (a dispute in the chat) and it will become clear who is in charge in Russia. After the case of Nikita Belyankin, when the criminal is at large, you will have to endure for a long time, well, if GOD will save you. I wish you health and happiness.
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 2 November 2020 12: 57
      +3
      And how much Aliyev will pull when the oil is at $ 20 per barrel or lower, when in this war he lost so much equipment and manpower, you also have not dozens of victims per day, but hundreds, more than 5 thousand per month for sure ... considering, that there are special forces going into battle and the best units. And how many officers have died? at least 4 colonels have already died in battles ... So Azerbaijan is not doing better either!
      1. Peter rybak
        Peter rybak 2 November 2020 21: 35
        0
        Quote: hydroy
        And how much will Aliyev pull when oil costs $ 20 per barrel

        Exactly as much as any head of the oil state, including Putin.
      2. Alena-Baku
        Alena-Baku 2 November 2020 23: 35
        0
        Well, when oil costs $ 20, let's talk about this topic. In the meantime, our oil fund has 50 billion + 8 national bank + Heydar Aliyev fund + the fund of the armed forces has long passed a billion + various auxiliary funds, etc. I think enough. At the expense of human resources 10 million I think 5 times longer can be tolerated than Armenia.
    3. 1976AG
      1976AG 3 November 2020 00: 43
      0
      You, Alena from Baku, or not Alena at all and not at all from Baku, do not meddle with your pseudo-analyst. If you are a woman, the wife of an Azerbaijani, then do your housework, not provocations on websites. Judging by what you write, you are not at all who you say you are. Therefore, sit on the opera straight.
      1. Alena-Baku
        Alena-Baku 3 November 2020 01: 17
        +2
        I am completely Alena and completely from Baku. I have prepared a small YouTube video on the topic of Karabakh, I think it will be two days and I’ll put it up, I’ll see you watching, I’ll send you a link.
      2. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 3 November 2020 18: 53
        -1
        usual European "Alena" with a beard and eggs ... more at once)
    4. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 3 November 2020 18: 52
      -1
      those. you don't want to discuss why Baku is silent about the size of the losses?)
      1. Alena-Baku
        Alena-Baku 3 November 2020 20: 11
        0
        what's the point? there are other more interesting figures for example 1 million refugees will return to their homes.
        1. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 3 November 2020 21: 20
          -1
          Population census of the USSR (1989)
          On January 12-19, 1989, another population census was carried out in the USSR. At the time of the census, the Azerbaijan SSR consisted of 65 cities, 61 regions and 122 urban-type settlements. The total population of the Azerbaijan SSR was 7,021,178 inhabitants [10], of which 5,804,980, i.e. 82,68% were ethnic Azerbaijanis. Russians were the second nationality in terms of number and constituted 5,59% of the population, i.e. 392,304 inhabitants. About 1,8 million people lived in Baku. The total number of Azerbaijanis living in the USSR was approximately 6,770,000 [11].

          1999 Population Census of Azerbaijan
          The first population census in Azerbaijan after the restoration of independence was held on January 27 - February 3, 1999. According to the census data, the total population of the Republic of Azerbaijan was 7,953,438, of which 3,883,15 were men, and the rest 4,070,283 were women. Ethnic Azerbaijanis made up 90.59% of the total population, which was 7,205,464 people. The second ethnic group after Azerbaijanis in terms of population were Lezgins and made up 2.24% (178,021) of the total population, and the third - Russians with a population of 141,687 people. At the time of the census, 1,788,854 people lived in Baku, of which 1,574,252 were ethnic Azerbaijanis [12] [13].

          Please note that the number of Russians has almost halved as a result of the pogroms of the Russian population
          So what will the Arzeybajans answer to this?
          1. Alena-Baku
            Alena-Baku 3 November 2020 22: 22
            0
            not really delving into your statistics, I can say that the outflow of the Russian population was also due to the economic situation in those years. One and a half million Azerbaijanis in the 90s moved to Russia for ludche life and that they were also crushed. And the Russian people were welcomed not only in Russia, but also abroad in Turkey, how many they moved when they raised their education. From Azerbaijan, Russian teachers went to other foreign countries for a dollar salary, since the Russian population of Azerbaijan was basically a brain drain of the USSR, like the Jews. There is nothing to operate with figures and arrange provocations, do not be a coward with a machine gun in hand and go to defend your Armenia.
        2. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 4 November 2020 14: 12
          -2
          yeah, I still see suicides who will go to live in the front-line zone ... aha ... by the way ... funny, "there are no losses" ... because if you really start looking at the death toll from the side of Baku, then it can start very sad ... because one the case is to report on "hundreds of thousands of destroyed Armenians" than to recognize the number of losses .. yesterday there was a pearl with a burnt column of Azerbaijani special forces, so three burned MRAPs called "disinformation of Armenians" .. yeah .. they have nothing else to do, how to buy mrap from Israel and burn them .. for the sake of disinformation)
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  • MTN
    MTN 2 November 2020 10: 39
    -6
    Quote: Petrik66
    Now Turks will plant Muslims from Syria

    Hopefully. You have already said so much about it, and I would like to bring it. It's not just the Armenians who call terrorists and militants.

  • VyacheSeymour
    VyacheSeymour 2 November 2020 11: 58
    +4
    ... As a result, after a month of fighting, Azerbaijan managed to take control of only 10-15% of the territory of Karabakh

    Exactly, that 10-15% of Karabakh ... - But almost 40% of all Armenian-controlled territories.
    Azerbaijanis have aligned the front line from Lachin to Shushi,
    thereby eliminating the possibility of encircling the two shock groups that had wedged in, in the direction of Lachin and Shushi. Naturally, now there is a lull: - new positions are being strengthened, a regrouping is taking place, resources are being pulled up.
    Plus, time plays on Azerbaijan: the already limited resource of the Armenian army continues to knock out, it uses up the remaining
    material and technical resources in the practical absence
    supply them due to the destroyed infrastructure and full air control of communications.
    It is known that 9 out of 10 fortresses were taken by starvation, not by storm ...
    They take down positions on the heights with artillery and drones (and the Armenians have problems with them: they did not expect to fight here) and continue the offensive.
    To the north, the 1st building is still fresh and unkempt,
    4th has not fought yet, nor has 5th.
    So, in my opinion, this lull does not shine anything good for the Armenians.
    You cannot win while sitting on the defensive - a stronger and more advanced enemy will continue to knock out the defenders' forces without engaging in direct clashes from obviously disadvantageous positions.
    And for any soldier on the defensive, it is morally very difficult to die
    never seeing the enemy,
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 3 November 2020 18: 54
      -1
      Why didn't they demolish them 25 years ago?
      1. VyacheSeymour
        VyacheSeymour 4 November 2020 04: 50
        0
        Why didn't they demolish them 25 years ago?

        They were waiting for a change of generations.
  • certero
    certero 2 November 2020 13: 04
    +2
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Personally, I am inclined to view this conflict as a proxy war between the Russian Federation and Turkey for dominance in the energy markets of Europe

    you can consider it as you like, this will not make your statement true.
    If it were a proxy war, Karabakh would have been pumped up with so many weapons from Russia ...
  • Old26
    Old26 2 November 2020 13: 52
    +5
    Quote: Yrec
    To put it simply, Baku will not win in the mountains. He will have to be content with recaptured flat areas

    And before that, Azerbaijan, and even now mountainous regions, did not have experience of operations in mountainous areas either? So what? Technique massively, yes, do not apply. But Baku knows how to conduct actions in the mountains no worse than those with whom they are fighting.

    Quote: Yrec
    The return of NPOs under their control would be possible with the rapid return of the Lachin region during an offensive through the southern regions (the so-called Lachin corridor, which separates the NPO from Armenia). But since this did not happen during the first phase, the offensive fizzled out, the goal was not achieved. The war will go into a protracted phase, or it will be possible to agree on the line of the current situation with a freeze of the conflict for a while.

    They did not immediately capture the Lachin corridor, they will capture it in a week or two. Nobody sets tasks to capture for the "XXX Congress of the CPSU" or the "Anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution". So far, the goals set for the Azerbaijani army are being achieved. Namely, the enemy's heavy weapons are destroyed, if possible, and personnel. Azerbaijan is slowly but inevitably destroying the military potential of its adversary. Not only Karabakh, as an unrecognized state formation, but also Armenia. Azerbaijan will not agree to freeze the conflict. This means stepping on the same rake as in previous times. For Azerbaijan, the problem of Nagorno-Karabakh must be solved once and for all. Otherwise, freeze this conflict now - in 5-6 years a new war will begin ...

    Quote: Petrik66
    After all, people are not poor and, if they wanted to, they could hire PMCs and plant technicians.

    Exactly. Not to fight yourself, but to hire. They described the mentality very accurately. This is called "raking in the heat with someone else's hands"
  • Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 2 November 2020 14: 10
    +1
    It is unlikely that everything is so rosy for the Armenian side. Even if everything stops now, they have lost part of the controlled territory that Azerbaijan will populate. The Azerbaijani side has money for settlement, and refugees can be sent to live there. Aliyev will even now raise his rating. What is the Azeri preventing in a couple of years from carrying out one more operation, entrenched in the occupied territories?
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 2 November 2020 16: 20
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    Personally, I'm interested in this. Our country has a developed satellite constellation, various kinds of intelligence, rich both in technical means and well-trained people. I am sure that operational reviews that reveal the real situation are on the tables of our leadership.
    AND? And nothing. Our leadership does not believe that it should inform its people. You have to feed on stupid rumors from the left sources. One Polish grandmother said. Is this really OUR state? Are we HIS people? Truth?
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 2 November 2020 21: 57
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      Our leadership rightly treats this conflict as internal events in Azerbaijan. There are sources where "news from the fronts" is officially published. And here the opinion of Poles, pegs, Puerto and all others is interesting, because they set out their views on events. Yes, very far-fetched, perhaps paid for, as in the case of Pegov. The comments of representatives of both Armenia and Azerbaijan are interesting. Those who know about wars themselves represent the situation that has developed in Karabakh and present it here. Those who do not understand, too. wassat
      By the way, I read someone's comment about Pegov and remembered that today I have already come across this surname in Zen. As I understand it, he works for Aram Gabrielian. Just in case, I'll throw off the link to the vidos.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 3 November 2020 09: 19
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        Quote: Peter Rybak
        Our leadership fairly treats this conflict as internal events in Azerbaijan

        And therefore the government does not consider it necessary to inform the population of the country about the conflict. Although Armenia seems to be our ally in the CSTO and at any moment a decision can be made that our guys will go there to fight. If you are interested in foreign nonsense on the topic - a good way.
        1. Peter rybak
          Peter rybak 3 November 2020 11: 13
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          Any information is interesting. And ours is enough. Let not on this site, but on many others.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 2 November 2020 16: 35
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    All information in the article is based on Armenian sources, including the military from Karabakh).
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 2 November 2020 16: 38
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    Quote: rotmistr60
    Stock (Alex)
    Another Pegov, only with a Polish passport
    Who would speak. You are, in your expression, "pegovyh", only with an Azeri passport so many have registered on the site since the beginning of the conflict that mom do not worry. Work tirelessly for the benefit of "Azerinformburo". Pride and arrogance flow like a river. I won't be surprised if you soon start teaching Russia how to fight.

    Where did you see pride and arrogance? Are you looking in the mirror?
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 2 November 2020 17: 46
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    The rapidly developing offensive of the Azerbaijani troops came to an end.

    When did this rapid advance take place? Someone noticed him? The average rate of advance of several kilometers a day cannot be called "impetuous" even in the Middle Ages.
  • grafskaiapristan
    grafskaiapristan 2 November 2020 17: 56
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    That one that the other side is already tired of showing "mountains" of destroyed equipment, and heaps of defeated military units. Now the Poles have decided to diversify the information field.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 2 November 2020 18: 52
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    Quote: Yrec
    The nature of the battles and their results were clear from the very beginning. The return by Azerbaijan of part of its southern lowland regions during the first phase was predictable. This was done through the standard combined arms combat.
    If all that has been so far is a "standard combined arms battle", then I am the Virgin Mary ...

    Quote: Yrec
    As soon as the Azerbaijanis approached the wooded foothills, their advance, as expected, stalled. Baku does not, in sufficient numbers, have units capable of conducting a database in such conditions. In the mountains, the importance of military equipment drops sharply, and knowledge of the terrain, moral qualities and training of a particular soldier come first. To put it simply, Baku will not win in the mountains.
    Have you looked at the map of battles? The front is stretched out, it is difficult for some to defend, for others it is not easy to attack.

    Regarding the mountain rifle units. The Armenians had them, but suffered significant losses, except for units in the north. Apparently the Azerbaijanis also have, but they have special forces at the fore, of which there are several brigades, what their losses are unknown.

    Artillery is gaining in importance in the mountains. The Armenians have it badly knocked out, plus the problem with the supply of ammunition, the Azerbaijanis did not have such problems with this, plus they initially had a numerical superiority in artillery. And they have an advantage in attack aircraft as a bonus. Winter and cold are coming, a decrease in the temperature of the natural background and fall of leaves should understand what will end for the Armenians. Plus, do not forget about only two roads that are already controlled by the art of Azerbaijanis, you can forget about alternative routes in the mountains in winter, and those that exist besides artillery can have many other problems, you need to look at what they promise there in terms of rainfall and snow.

    Knowledge of the area. The advanced Armenian units suffered losses, the reserves from Yerevan, they know the area no better than the Azerbaijanis from Baku ... And again the special forces of both sides, and they both know the area like the back of their hand, the Azerbaijanis simply have a higher number.

    Morality and motivation. Both sides are strong enough, although against the background of the defeat of the Armenians, I would not be so confident in their high fighting spirit.

    It's the same story with professionalism. The Armenians have reserves from Armenia in Karabakh, these units are, by definition, weaker than the units that were on the front line in Karabakh, the mobilized reservists are also clearly weaker in terms of training than the conscripts and super-conscripts of the advanced units, many of whom simply did not become, they were destroyed up to the loss of battle banners. In this, the Armenians have no advantage, let alone sufficient to be of decisive importance.

    So there is still a big question of what Azerbaijanis are waiting for. Most likely, their efforts now only take the Red Bazaar and Martuni, and then calmly and methodically, having no problems with supplies and reserves, take hill after hill, first destroying all living things on it, and the Armenians will have nothing to oppose this tactic.

    So my opinion is completely opposite to yours - winter and mountains would be more likely for Azerbaijanis, but only if they have enough time. But time is the resource that Azerbaijan has a deficit in the current conditions, although much depends on how the elections in the United States will end, what the situation will be with the crown in the world, etc. Any cataclysm in the EU and the USA, which distracts to a large extent from Karabakh, plays into the hands of Azerbaijanis.

    And finally, the most important thing Azerbaijan does not exist and does not fight on its own, at least it coordinates its actions with us and with the Turks. And other options are possible, if, for example, we achieve our goals, it is likely that the normal leadership of Armenia, which will replace the Soros, will withdraw its troops under our guarantees, and we will ensure the protection of the Armenian population of Karabakh and the war will end there.
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 2 November 2020 19: 21
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      Well, that's what I'm writing about above. The footage shows that, unlike the Armenian side, Azerbaijani art is not disguised simply by being 100% confident in its impunity, well, almost all types of MLRS that they had are still in service.


      And what kind of morale can you talk about after such a thing, if they are already beating in a disposition?

      Judging by this video, having knocked out heavy equipment, artillery, air defense systems, the Azerbaijanis have already simply begun to nightmare Armenian fighters and Armenia as such, shifting the emphasis on inflicting maximum damage in manpower. If the Azerbaijanis have enough funds, then only losses from such strikes in the direction of the Red Bazaar and Martuni will simply sink the Armenians to the bottom, depriving them of their remnants of will and motivation.

      It is sweet for you and me to write about the theory of sitting booty in a warm armchair, what happens in practice there, for example, I have not worried in my life, and probably none of us.
    2. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 3 November 2020 21: 30
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      and we will ensure the protection of the Armenian population of Karabakh and the war will end there.

      Will you protect someone?
      In the 90s, you were unable to save the Russian population from pogroms in Baku, and in Chechnya, how are you going to protect the Armenians? Give each of you a bodyguard?
      Only a person who is not familiar with the mentality of the Turks can carry such nonsense.
  • Angivin
    Angivin 2 November 2020 19: 48
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    Quote: hydroy
    And how much Aliyev will pull when the oil is at $ 20 per barrel or lower, when in this war he lost so much equipment and manpower, you also have not dozens of victims per day, but hundreds, more than 5 thousand per month for sure ... considering, that there are special forces going into battle and the best units. And how many officers have died? at least 4 colonels have already died in battles ... So Azerbaijan is not doing better either!

    - Armenians have many more casualties, including officers.
    - Losses in equipment - not only destroyed, but also donated in the form of trophies - are generally beyond comparison, which, by the way, solidly compensates Azerbaijan for the loss of its own equipment.
    - In terms of resources, the situation for Armenians is also deplorable: 50 billion of Baku gold and foreign exchange reserves (gold reserves) are a good help to continue the war. At the end of 2019, Azerbaijan ranked first in the CIS in terms of gold and foreign exchange reserves. Considering that the cost of oil production in a number of Baku fields costs less than $ 10, the drop in oil prices will not create significant problems in terms of the continuation of hostilities.
    - The population of Armenia is three times less, and the rampant pandemic was inappropriate: about 2 infected per day with a population of about 500 million people.
    The only thing that Armenia can hope for is international pressure on Azerbaijan, although here everything is very ambiguous.
  • Peter rybak
    Peter rybak 2 November 2020 22: 09
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    Quote: Azimuth
    So my opinion is completely opposite to yours - winter and mountains would be more likely for Azerbaijanis, but only if they have enough time. But time is the resource that Azerbaijan has a deficit in the current conditions, although much depends on how the elections in the United States will end, what the situation will be with the crown in the world, etc. Any cataclysm in the EU and the USA, which distracts to a large extent from Karabakh, plays into the hands of Azerbaijanis.

    With two hands for. Five lines - a complete analysis of events. No pathos, no jingoistic patriotism. Winter plays into the hands of Azerbaijan, definitely. Both roads, as you said, are under the sight and within the reach of the projectile. It will be a simple weariness. Detachments from the mountains will be forced to go out into open battle themselves in order to break through to communications.
  • Magadan
    Magadan 2 November 2020 23: 12
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    I would very much like the words of this expert to be true, but for now, alas ...
    Azera, in fact, carried out reconnaissance in force, laying down several hundred either their own, or Arab warriors. It will not be possible to take Shushi or Lachin on a swoop, but this is not about anything yet. The Turks will redeploy, try to break through again in the North, then again in the South, then again they will gnaw out the defenses meter by meter.
    As long as they have a 100% advantage in the air, as long as there are 20 times more vehicles and about 5-7 times more personnel, they can afford to circle around the Armenian defense and wait.
    Still, I really hope that Armenia will receive the necessary military-technical assistance from Russia / Iran / whatever, which will help level the chances in this war
  • asr55
    asr55 4 November 2020 23: 43
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    The limit of everything destroyed and occupied by the Azerbaijani troops has long crossed all borders. In reality, even half of what was destroyed was not part of the NKR. The Azerbaijani media have already reached the point of destroying two Yars complexes. Obviously, something went wrong with Aliyev, in contrast to the beginning, something went wrong in his actions today, at least not as he expected. Yes, in his speeches, only irritation and aggression are noticeable. And young people all die and die. And how many more will die is not known. In the last conflict, 15 thousand people were killed by Azerbaijan alone. Is this the price for the territory? And what, in the end, will the Armenian people get scared and raise their hands ?! I don’t think that the Karabakh Armenians will have nowhere to retreat and they will stand to the end. The budget of Azerbaijan is larger than the Armenian one, but it is being cut so that Russia is still far from this great nation. And this war is no exception, someone fights and dies, and someone earns. Aliyev is strong as a politician and leader, but his time has come. His condition has progressed by several orders of magnitude since coming to power. And he needs this war more than the Azerbaijanis in order to hold out in power for some more time. And Pashinyan, who came to power in the Maidan way, is simply weak as a politician and leader. That is why he cannot come to an agreement with anyone and cannot do anything about this situation. Only complaints and moans.
    And they will have to sit down at the negotiating table and decide. Since there is no other way out, nothing can be solved by war. In the meantime, young guys will die, civilians on both sides, becoming hostages of someone's interests.