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"They value high-precision ammunition": the reason for Azerbaijan's use of the Su-25 attack aircraft for strikes on trenches is being discussed

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"They value high-precision ammunition": the reason for Azerbaijan's use of the Su-25 attack aircraft for strikes on trenches is being discussed

The Azerbaijani side reported on the stage of the operation in the combat zone, during which a manned combat aviation.

According to the latest information, we are talking about the Su-25 attack aircraft of the Azerbaijani Air Force. Its use for striking Armenian positions is reported in the summary of the military department of the republic.

As a result of air strikes (with the use of the Su-25 attack aircraft), a large number of enemy manpower was destroyed in trenches and underground shelters.

The report says that the attack aircraft took to the air to strike on October 31.

The footage of the use of the Su-25 is presented.


At the same time, questions arise, why did the Azerbaijani side need to raise an attack aircraft into the air when solving the task of striking enemy manpower? This issue is also relevant due to the fact that the frames show quite open positions of the Armenian side, including traditional trenches and trenches.

Various assumptions are made. One of them is that Azerbaijan "began to value strike drones and high-precision ammunition for them." The cost of high-precision ammunition for the Bayraktar strike UAVs is substantial, so the Azerbaijani Air Force could have decided to use the Su-25 with "conventional" ammunition. Among the assumptions is one related to the relatively large number of drones lost by Azerbaijan by this day, previously acquired from Turkey and Israel.

Another version is related to the identification of relatively well-fortified positions of the troops of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic by reconnaissance, against which (positions of this nature) the UAV weapons are not quite effective.
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  1. saigon
    saigon 2 November 2020 06: 20 New
    +1
    Well, and one more thing to feed the rafts, water them, teach them if they don't fight!
    So they are sent to fight.
    Besides the experience, where to go, although it sounds cynical.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 2 November 2020 06: 26 New
      32
      Various assumptions are made. One of them is that Azerbaijan "has begun to value strike drones and high-precision ammunition for them."

      Another version is related to the identification of relatively well-fortified positions of the troops of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic by reconnaissance, against which (positions of this nature) the UAV weapons are not quite effective.

      And the third version, which, in other respects, does not contradict the first two stated - Azerbaijan believes that it has managed to suppress the air defense of the NKR JSC as much as possible and the use of attack aircraft for their intended purpose, from the ground, does not threaten anything, or almost nothing.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 2 November 2020 07: 57 New
        13
        Quote: BDRM 667
        And the third version, which, in other respects, does not contradict the first two stated - Azerbaijan believes that it has managed to suppress the air defense of the NKR JSC as much as possible and the use of attack aircraft for their intended purpose, from the ground, does not threaten anything, or almost nothing.

        It seems to me that your version is the closest to the truth, because an attack aircraft with a trained pilot is more expensive than a drone. And the attack aircraft, in general, was created for these purposes, so everything is logical hi
      2. svp67
        svp67 2 November 2020 09: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: BDRM 667
        And the third version, which in other respects does not contradict the first two stated

        Well, and the FOURTH, that the UAV has already approached its limit in terms of the radius of use, and they have it somewhere within 100 km, by radio control and until the launcher is moved, the Rook was used to solve the problems that arose
      3. Mwg
        Mwg 2 November 2020 15: 03 New
        0
        Not only this. Today there was news that Turkey cut off the supply of engines for UAVs. And this influenced, most likely, too ...
    2. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 2 November 2020 06: 30 New
      0
      The cost of training high-class pilots is incomparably higher than the cost of a UAV, in fact, like the cost of aircraft. Apparently, the reserves of drones on the Azerbaijani side are also not unlimited. As far as I can see, this is the first confirmed news about the use of combat aircraft by Azerbaijanis.
      Let's see if the Armenians still have air defense, and what they can oppose to this.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 2 November 2020 06: 50 New
        +4
        Let's see if the Armenians still have air defense, and what they can oppose to this.
        It looks like it's nothing if the Su-25 returned with a video recording. Or, Azerbaijan simply has much better intelligence. And they know where the air defense is, and where you can not be afraid.
      2. Anton Svetlov
        Anton Svetlov 2 November 2020 08: 39 New
        +1
        Yes, not so much higher, training of an attack aircraft or fighter pilot is about 10 million bucks + 5 years of preparation, Bayraktar TB2 one piece is also an average of 10 million (70 million sales set: 6 drones + 2 control stations).
        In the states, before, professional gamers were recruited into operators of shock rippers and predatars, those who achieved results in shooters, their reaction speed on joysticks is good.
    3. Megatron
      Megatron 2 November 2020 06: 43 New
      21
      Coming back from the war, all chest in orders
      You start to tell:
      I killed about 300 soldiers, blew up 20 tanks, bmp, grads, cars
      What are you, Rambo?
      No, drone operator ☝
      1. saigon
        saigon 2 November 2020 06: 51 New
        +7
        So the thought arises in me that this operator should not be captured in any case. Death will be terrible.
        So one more specialty is added to snipers, art spotters and enemy flyers, who should not live in the eyes of the infantry.
        1. vlad.baryatinsky
          vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 11: 48 New
          +1
          Hello!
          Quote: saigon
          that this operator should not be captured

          To be taken prisoner in this inter-ethnic conflict, in general, to no serviceman from any kind of troops, even hypothetically, the very possibility of surrender is categorically impossible to take into account.
          1. saigon
            saigon 2 November 2020 13: 06 New
            +3
            But I'm not talking about this conflict, but in general.
            It seems that he is an operator and a soldier, and so see the executioner.
            The flyer takes risks, the tanker also risks, but from the point of view of the infantry, that a sniper, that a pilot, that an art gunner should not live. units of non-profit organizations and now I do not know if they can be considered an army, or something else. It seems to me that Azerbaijani troops will take prisoners like any normal army, there is where to place the prisoners and there is something to simply feed. The Azerbaijanis have an army and will act at the moment as an army, not a party to an interethnic conflict. With the Armenian side, the issue is complex, there is nowhere to keep the prisoners, there are no extra people, and food is also a question (this is not a statement, but a reflection)
            1. vlad.baryatinsky
              vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 13: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: saigon
              .In this war there is already a nuance, the army of the state of Azerbaijan is fighting with parts of the non-profit organization and now I don’t know

              I would not rush to unambiguous conclusions that the NKR is the only force fighting with Az.
              Otherwise, how can one interpret Pashinyan's hysteria, about consolidation, the call of volunteers and the formation of women's units.
              From the outside, it all looks like jumping from one extreme to another.
              Quote: saigon
              It seems to me that Azerbaijani troops will take prisoners like any normal army, there is where to place the prisoners and there is something to simply feed.

              I agree with you.
              And I would like to add.
              Aliyev, in my opinion, made a strong propaganda move.
              Namely: He stated that any soldier who surrendered will be provided with a Third Country for further residence!
              1. antiaircrafter
                antiaircrafter 2 November 2020 18: 25 New
                0
                Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
                Third Country will be provided

                He asked the consent of this country?
                1. vlad.baryatinsky
                  vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 18: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: antiaircrafter
                  He asked the consent of this country

                  They are mandated by the UN refugee status.
                  If requested by the UN Commissioner for Refugees, asylum seekers are automatically granted asylum by the EU or the US in case of a threat to their lives.
                  1. antiaircrafter
                    antiaircrafter 2 November 2020 18: 58 New
                    0
                    Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
                    EU or US.

                    Well then fine.
              2. ashot1973
                ashot1973 2 November 2020 23: 05 New
                -3
                Aliyev, in my opinion, made a strong propaganda move.
                Namely: He stated that any soldier who surrendered will be provided with a Third Country for further residence!

                Aha ... ha! Aliyev made a strong propaganda move ... laughing For my audience, probably. Only his own people will believe him, and I doubt it. Armenians never believed in Turks and know very well what "Turkish mercy" is ....
              3. Megatron
                Megatron 3 November 2020 18: 31 New
                0
                Pashinyan is hysterical, but the Armenians living abroad are in no hurry to raise their fat asses to the war. But poke at everyone, the shirt on the chest will be torn, what patsreots he is in Armenia.
          2. Ganja
            Ganja 2 November 2020 13: 08 New
            +1
            but no, there are many captured Armenians in the hands of Azerbaijan and before that there were, I mean the past years, many returned safe and sound
            1. ashot1973
              ashot1973 2 November 2020 23: 08 New
              -2
              many returned safe and sound
              - and many are without a head ... (to prying)
        2. Megatron
          Megatron 4 November 2020 18: 14 New
          0
          Well, how can I say, the same UAV operators who bomb Afghanistan are in the states.
          Azerskie, most likely, also in the country. If anything, they will always have time to escape, or to mow down civilians. There are no traces of war on hand, etc.
    4. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 2 November 2020 08: 42 New
      0
      Unambiguously, laser-guided weapons were used. The UAV was clearly targeting the target. If the SU-25 was actually used, then most likely they used the Turkish laser-guided bombs TEBER-81 and TEBER-82 (250-pound Mk 81 and 500-pound Mk 82 bombs)
      1. Angivin
        Angivin 2 November 2020 17: 59 New
        +1
        By the way, several years ago Azerbaijan established its own production of guided aerial bombs.
  2. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 2 November 2020 06: 26 New
    15
    Knocked out the Armenian air defense and now can afford.
    1. Asad
      Asad 2 November 2020 09: 27 New
      0
      I don’t understand one thing, do the Armenians not hear the spotter hovering over them?
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 2 November 2020 09: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: ASAD
        I don't understand one thing

        Yeah. A UAV located at an altitude of 5-7 km and a range of 10-15 km cannot be heard.
        1. Asad
          Asad 2 November 2020 09: 37 New
          0
          Well, how, with a range of 15 kilometers, does it "hang" over the position?
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 2 November 2020 09: 43 New
            +2
            Yes, even 1 km, you still can't hear. This is not a jet plane, a quiet drone the size of a VAZ 1111 Oka. From what distance will you hear the window?
        2. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 2 November 2020 18: 26 New
          0
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          The UAV cannot be heard.

          And see?
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  3. Anton Svetlov
    Anton Svetlov 2 November 2020 06: 34 New
    22
    It already hurts to look at it. Already hunted in groups of more than two soldiers and helping the wounded. Well, I understand they don’t have army camouflage nets, well, is it really impossible to buy geotextiles, requisition at construction markets, pull them instead of camouflage over trenches on pegs, religion doesn’t allow? Women for their husbands and sons can sew rolls of 100 meters from sheets and linen, no, no one wants to lie quietly under disguise with their AK-74, smoke, sleep, and wait for the enemy to attack when you die at least having managed to shoot a couple of shops ...
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 2 November 2020 06: 44 New
      14
      This is not for you to fry kebabs and play backgammon, here you need to think stop
    2. URAL72
      URAL72 2 November 2020 06: 55 New
      15
      I'll tell you more, we have the same situation in Donbass. We buy network masks ourselves, but they are not enough, as well as money. It comes to the point that we ourselves buy thermal imagers, the missing antifreeze, batteries, spare parts, even an engine for the BRDM bought ... At the same time, the rear services themselves sell a lot to us. To whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear. But you can't buy everything.
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 2 November 2020 09: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: URAL72
        Who is war and who is mother

        How else? "War feeds war", as Albrecht von Wallenstein said 400 years ago.
    3. Zoomlion
      Zoomlion 2 November 2020 07: 01 New
      +1
      East is a dark matter
    4. Runway
      Runway 2 November 2020 07: 55 New
      13
      No need to toil about garbage (the word is a synonym for taste). Armenians on VIP - no. I do not see the trenches connected by communication passages with breaks of those in 5-7 meters.
      They beat down the CP of the VOP, the position of the group and parodies of the closed cracks.
      They hammer with a controlled asp (the bla also illuminates the assalam aleikum).
      They hammer the positions of units that are not on the front line and have not been "treated" by fire before.
      The month of Armenians is hammering in the foothill and valley areas, but they stubbornly do not go to the foothills and "counters" - yes, this entails the loss of territories, but allows the use of the relief (narrowing of the control sector and aircraft attack courses + the use of MZA from 12,7 and uphill ).
      1. Tugarin
        Tugarin 2 November 2020 08: 12 New
        18
        Quote: WFP
        I do not see the trenches connected by communication passages with breaks of those in 5-7 meters.
        They beat down the CP of the VOP, the position of the group and parodies of the closed cracks.
        Pounded with controlled asp

        It won't help. They gave up the air, now they are being shot like in a shooting range.
        1. Runway
          Runway 2 November 2020 08: 32 New
          +2
          Will help. Can you imagine what I wrote about in the complex? Or explain on the fingers? Everything is decided at the level of the battalion commander and his SIS, both in engineering training and in the organization of the air defense of the defense area. If the battalion commander is not, and those sitting above are not "pads".
        2. Airdefense
          Airdefense 3 November 2020 18: 30 New
          0
          The Houthis and Taliban also gave air from the very beginning. In Syria, the Barmalei did not have air defense at all, and they had to smoke them for so many years and using a huge amount of resources.
      2. saigon
        saigon 2 November 2020 14: 59 New
        -1
        And you make me dig, I don’t think that the commanders do not understand that the fractures of the trenches reduce losses.
        Rather, you can't make a shovel in hand
        1. Runway
          Runway 2 November 2020 16: 32 New
          0
          There are no bad soldiers, there are shitty commanders ... I dug for myself and the soldiers dug without compulsion (the height was about 2000 meu). And the land in the Pamirs is not fluff at all. And our former fellow citizens harassed us in a group, but our "masturbator" was not on salary.
          Mina from behind the ridge is not worse than a blah (only the arrival is audible).
          "Everything was invented before us" (c)
    5. Professor
      Professor 2 November 2020 09: 03 New
      +2
      The grid will not help. Thermal imaging is not a hindrance.
    6. karpusha
      karpusha 2 November 2020 15: 39 New
      +1
      And how will this network help you if it stands out from above against the background of the surrounding landscape? They just put a bomb in the center of the network - once it is covered, then there is something important there.
      It is necessary to develop means of detecting and destroying UAVs.
      1. t-12
        t-12 4 November 2020 00: 16 New
        0
        They just put a bomb in the center of the network - once it is covered, then there is something important there.

        What prevents you from building false positions and placing a bunch of nets there?
  4. atalef
    atalef 2 November 2020 06: 58 New
    11
    At the same time, questions arise, why did the Azerbaijani side need to raise an attack aircraft into the air when solving the task of striking enemy manpower?

    A strange question from the author?
    What else is it for?
    UAVs and kharops completed their task - took out all the air defense, the time for attack aircraft has come
    1. novel66
      novel66 2 November 2020 07: 42 New
      +2
      without opposition, and without masking targets
    2. Fungus
      Fungus 2 November 2020 08: 00 New
      0
      There was no normal air defense with operators. Rab was not there. As practice shows, this is all effective against the Papuans. Against normal countries, this is a slag. The Armenians themselves are to blame. They rode and were not engaged in defense ...
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 November 2020 08: 13 New
        +8
        Quote: Fungus
        There was no normal air defense with operators.

        of course not
        destroyed
        41 SAM "Osa", four SAM "Tor", four SAM "Kub", one "Circle", SAM S-300, 3 S-125

        Quote: Fungus
        Rab was not there

        It was .
        1. Fungus
          Fungus 2 November 2020 08: 17 New
          -1
          This is an abnormal air defense. This is an ancient air defense system of the 70s. Plus, do not forget that the Armenians are not bad operators. Even in Libya, UAVs were shot down. Although the Arabs are so-so fighters. I say it again. The situation would be different against a normal army. You know that yourself.
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 November 2020 08: 55 New
            +8
            Quote: Fungus
            This is an abnormal air defense. This is an ancient air defense system of the 70s. Plus, do not forget that the Armenians are not bad operators. Even in Libya, UAVs were shot down. Although the Arabs are so-so fighters. I say it again. The situation would be different against a normal army. You know that yourself.

            Well, as you do not listen so everywhere. Around only Papuans. Normal army is only Russian. And the situation is
            That Russian weapons have not yet shown themselves in any way against the FF of modern high-precision weapons point against a normal army they are against the Papuans
            1. Fungus
              Fungus 2 November 2020 09: 45 New
              -4
              So no one attacks so that Russian weapons can prove themselves. They know that they will get rid of them in full with their "precision weapons".
            2. Gust
              Gust 2 November 2020 16: 31 New
              +3
              Normal air defense is echeloned, with overlapping, with different complexes, incl. Electronic warfare, conjugated into one system. And yes, normal air defense includes fighter aircraft too.
              As for the self-made UAVs of the Barmaleevs, their radar signatures and interception are no different from the serial military of the same weight category.
  5. Never mind
    Never mind 2 November 2020 07: 03 New
    -2
    Tie VO with your one-sided articles, have already sunk below the baseboard!
  6. certero
    certero 2 November 2020 07: 10 New
    14
    Scary footage. Especially when the operator, after the first blow, waited for the start of helping the wounded and struck a second
  7. Master
    Master 2 November 2020 07: 11 New
    10
    Strikes are delivered mainly along the eastern part of the line of contact. There is nothing to be afraid of. And it also seems to me that these are guided aerial bombs. Painfully as if hitting the trenches.
  8. Nasdaq
    Nasdaq 2 November 2020 07: 13 New
    10
    All videos show that they are hitting group targets. It’s safer to sprawl in the field than in a crowd in trenches and dugouts, especially if it’s not the front line.
    The command is not instructing to see, they have no time for a campaign. Officers do not adapt well, do not learn on the go.
    It's the same story with transport, they crowd into trucks, minibuses and buses. And then they are there on the principle of "wholesale cheaper"
    request
    1. atalef
      atalef 2 November 2020 07: 58 New
      10
      Quote: Nasdaq
      It’s safer to sprawl in the field than in a crowd in trenches and dugouts, especially if it’s not the front line.

      it is certainly safer, but how to keep the defense?
      Quote: Nasdaq
      It's the same story with transport, they crowd into trucks, minibuses and buses. And then they are there on the principle of "wholesale cheaper"

      how else to transport personnel? On scooters alone?
      There is no solution to the problem. No air defense - they will be fired like in a shooting range.
      And they will no longer have air defense.
      Fenita la comedy.
      1. Nasdaq
        Nasdaq 2 November 2020 08: 29 New
        0
        I agree that the key problem is the lack of air defense.
        In terms of transportation, all local conflicts have shown the effectiveness of pickups. One way or another, but you need to distribute. It will at least reduce losses. And 20 people in a KAMAZ, well, that's not the point.
      2. Runway
        Runway 2 November 2020 09: 12 New
        +3
        There are solutions. There are no brains. Horse racing on the gas zones on the roads (the number of transported l / s is not more than a company) is an indirect indicator that the Armenians are immediately patching holes in the defense (they do not control the situation = no rd = the Azeris have the initiative).
        If you cannot provide cover for routes / column tracks for replenishment / BMT - do "drip irrigation" (areas of responsibility, shelters for LPG and BMT on routes, foot marches of small groups off roads, horse-drawn transport).
        1. atalef
          atalef 2 November 2020 09: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: WFP
          There are solutions


          Quote: WFP
          off-road small group marches, horse-drawn transport

          wink laughing good
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 2 November 2020 09: 34 New
            -1
            Such comments need to be screened laughing
          2. Runway
            Runway 2 November 2020 11: 52 New
            +2
            The area of ​​NK is only 5 times smaller than the Promised Land, the relief is slightly different, like the weather.
            So the readiness for foot marches, without losing l / s bg (4-6 hours = 20-25 km) is quite applicable.
            1. t-12
              t-12 4 November 2020 00: 27 New
              0
              5 km / h with full gear and up the mountains ... well, well
              1. Runway
                Runway 4 November 2020 07: 47 New
                0
                Do you read diagonally? How much is it in kg? Did you smoke "in the mountains"? The name is clear. laughing
                Driving at ....- 3-4 km / h, driving under .... - 5-6 km / h. Tourists / climbers should not be confused with a subdivision on the march.
        2. Nasdaq
          Nasdaq 2 November 2020 09: 55 New
          +2
          horse-drawn transport).

          Wit!
          1. Runway
            Runway 2 November 2020 11: 44 New
            +1
            Of course a wit. And the wits of the "Hans" in the mountain infantry brigade, the Yankees in the KMP and the SSO (when they "grabbed" the mountains in isolation and without "air", the "brothers-in-law" in Tibet / Pamir and the Russian "Vaneks" (extremely truncated , but tnm).
            "To sprawl in the field" - your pearl?
      3. t-12
        t-12 4 November 2020 00: 25 New
        0
        it is certainly safer, but how to keep the defense?

        Remember the good old shooting cells. Fortunately, now there are walkie-talkies, and you can control the battle without direct voice contact.
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 November 2020 07: 22 New
    0
    Among the assumptions is one that is associated with a relatively large number of drones lost by Azerbaijan by this day, previously acquired from Turkey.
    And on spare parts for UAVs in Turkey, the West has imposed a taboo.
  10. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 2 November 2020 08: 06 New
    +1
    Something is not visible in the video of the use of the Su-25, again the same UAVs and looks like an OTRK rocket at the end.
    1. Anton Svetlov
      Anton Svetlov 2 November 2020 08: 24 New
      13
      It is also not clear, the SU-25 would have plowed this position with Nursa in a couple of passes, even if the UAV was pointing it, and when the rook comes to strike, its roar is heard 5 km away and the enemy squeezes into the ground, and then they smoked and stupid during all the strikes until the last.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 2 November 2020 08: 39 New
        +5
        Rather, the Su-25 strikes simply did not hit this video, I was subscribed to the Azeri channel on YouTube, there was something like a Norse strike on an extreme video on the seizure of equipment and infantry. So, it is likely that Azerbaijan also began to use the Su-25.

        On the other hand, although the Armenian air defense system is inactive and partially destroyed, there are also MANPADS for which the Su-25 is a good target.

        It is a pity for the Armenians, they are fighting bravely, in an almost hopeless situation.

        Pashinyan is a traitor, he betrayed Karabakh and its defenders and deliberately surrenders it to Azerbaijan in order to drag Armenia into NATO and the EU after no territorial disputes with neighbors, accusing Russian weapons of defeat and the ineffectiveness of the CSTO.

        Armenia has the means to combat UAVs - S-300, BUKs, TORs, Su-30. Moreover, the S-300 had to be used not at the front line, but as ground-based early warning radars to direct fighters to UAVs with its help and hit them from a long distance and the rest of the air defense systems, so as not to keep them constantly in working position. But the goal of the command of the Armenian army is not to defend Karabakh, but to surrender it to Azerbaijan.

        It is sad.
      2. elai
        elai 2 November 2020 08: 41 New
        +4
        Here I agree, it doesn't hurt that it looks like the blows of an airplane, you can hear it ... He can't hammer and they sit quietly chatting, or osmatrtvabt of the dead as in the first episode. Soon, the Armenians' spirits will completely fall .. And that's all ... So many die in the empty, not even seeing the enemy ... Just from the UAV .. How kittens are exterminated ... Almost all videos are work on manpower and not on technology then no longer ...
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 2 November 2020 09: 38 New
          0
          Quote: elai
          you can hear him ... he can't hammer and they are sitting quietly chatting, or osmatrtvabt of the dead as in the first episode

          Can not hear. Guided weapons were used. From a height of 5-10 km and a range of 10-15 km.
      3. Alexander Kopychev
        Alexander Kopychev 2 November 2020 12: 01 New
        +2
        when the rook comes to blow, its roar is heard 5 km away

        I know from myself (in the conditions of the test site, don't judge strictly) it is not audible ... When you hear and start twisting your head, in a couple of seconds it is already above you. But when it is removed - yes, it is heard very well and for a long time. With turntables, by the way, the same.
    2. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 2 November 2020 08: 34 New
      +9
      The projectile arrived at an oblique angle. Doesn't look like an OTR. The same laura flew vertically.
      More like a revised MLRS, polonaise or something like that.
      It will be too "fat" to hit the trenches from the OTRK.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 2 November 2020 08: 42 New
        +3
        Yes, most likely something like a Polonaise.

        But the accuracy is certainly amazing, right into the trench and the second time, and at the very moment when they were helping the wounded and even more soldiers were crammed into the trenches.
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 2 November 2020 08: 46 New
        +3
        Most likely the Turkish analogue of the JDAM, the TEBER-81 or TEBER-82 laser guided bombs.
        The UAV clearly "shone" the target and the angle of impact is appropriate.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 November 2020 13: 24 New
      +1
      No Azerbaijanis have decided to test their new laser-guided bombs.
  11. svoit
    svoit 2 November 2020 09: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Fungus
    This is the ancient air defense of the 70s.

    That is, it turns out that the air defense of the 70s cannot shoot down the aircraft of the early 40s?
  12. svoit
    svoit 2 November 2020 09: 52 New
    +6
    Quote: Anton Svetlov
    and when the rook comes in to blow its roar
    in this case, everything was done competently, and the rook could not strike and not go on the attack, but be only a carrier of large-caliber UD, they could not be lifted on a UAV, and the rook could well be 20 km away and at an altitude of 7 km and UB are already guided by reconnaissance. UAV
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 November 2020 13: 27 New
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      Rather, the Azerbaijanis made it possible to direct laser-guided bombs both by aircraft and to highlight for a bomb launched from an aircraft using a UAV
    2. Vitaly Petrov_3
      Vitaly Petrov_3 2 November 2020 23: 25 New
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      So then it should be visible on the S-300 radars? There distance and height .. why not knock down?
  13. Old26
    Old26 2 November 2020 13: 32 New
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    Quote: Megatron
    This is not for you to fry kebabs and play backgammon, here you need to think stop

    So to fry a good barbecue and win backgammon - you also need to have your head on your shoulders and think laughing

    Quote: Fungus
    There was no normal air defense with operators. Rab was not there. As practice shows, this is all effective against the Papuans. Against normal countries, this is a slag. The Armenians themselves are to blame. They rode and were not engaged in defense ...

    And what kind of normal air defense do you think? The complexes were normal, the same S-300 and "torus". But if they do not know how to use, if they are crooked, then why should they sin? Azerbaijan destroyed the "Repilent" station. So there was electronic warfare and, again, they could not use it. And don't go to extremes. That is to declare drones to be another wunderwolf, capable of replacing everything and "enduring" everything, but at the same time, one should not consider the same drones as slag, suitable for use exclusively against the Papuans. It all depends on skill and professionalism. It is possible to cause damage to a country with a normal air defense system. In Syria, we shot down all the drones launched at us. But it was in 99 cases out of 100 homemade products. How effective would our air defense have been against serial products such as those used in Karabakh? UNKNOWN. Therefore, one should not fall into euphoria, and dismiss this problem. A month of battles showed that there was a "headache" for the enemy on the battlefield. And this problem must be solved ...
  14. Operator
    Operator 2 November 2020 13: 48 New
    +1
    Where the video shows the use of the Su-25 - it is quite possible to aim guided munitions from the reconnaissance UAV (even kamikaze drones, even URSs, even artillery shells and mines, even planning bombs from the same F-16).

    The Azerbaijanis clearly had a pile of different UBs, since they switched from the destruction of equipment to the destruction of more numerous infantry.

    And the Azerbaijani UAVs for the most part were preserved intact for a simple reason - with their help, at the very beginning of the conflict, all Armenian radar air defense systems were remotely knocked out, after which the UAVs began to fly not 15 km from the target, but vertically above the target


    PS The author's passage that the infantry is located in the trenches openly - like that now it is trendy to block the trenches in three rolls (and it is better to dig underground passages without reaching the surface) laughing
  15. karpusha
    karpusha 2 November 2020 15: 41 New
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    What's the difference what to use to deliver ammunition? The Su-25, unlike the Baikatar, is capable of carrying more powerful ammunition. He flew over the desired place and dropped an adjustable bomb, and she would find the target by the laser. And this is not some kind of MAML, but a full-fledged FAB.
  16. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 3 November 2020 00: 33 New
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    Air defense destroyed, why not use conventional aircraft now?
    There is no risk.
  17. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 3 November 2020 02: 14 New
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    this video does not differ much from UAV attacks, where the use of SU 25 here is not clear, and in terms of accuracy, it is more likely to use a UAV than an aircraft
  18. Evil 55
    Evil 55 3 November 2020 03: 46 New
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    In general, the work of the UAV is on the footage, not the SU-25 ..
  19. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 3 November 2020 09: 35 New
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    Yes, everything is simpler, the Su-25 drags much more than any drone.

    Air defense can be considered suppressed.

    So they use it when it becomes possible. Quite competently.
  20. IrbisKot
    IrbisKot 3 November 2020 12: 32 New
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    No wonder. The enemy's air defense is knocked out, you can work AA. Why translate the WTO when you can safely use cheap ammunition