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"Budget replacement of the BMP-3": in the United States appreciated the new infantry fighting vehicle "Basurmanin"

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BMP-1AM "Basurmanin" is able to significantly facilitate the modernization of the fleet of Russian armored vehicles, especially if you take into account the amount of costs required to purchase the BMP-3.

Budget replacement of BMP-3


The BMP-1AM was first demonstrated in 2018. At that time, Western experts assumed that the new modification was intended mainly for export, since it could become the basis for the modernization of a significant fleet of BMP-1s held by foreign operators. Since 1966, ChTZ has produced over 20 thousand units of this type of equipment, of which two-thirds were exported.

In 2020, having taken part in a dynamic display of Russian military vehicles, the BMP-1AM once again attracted the attention of the Western press. However, now in the West they are already talking about large deliveries of Basurmanin to the Russian armed forces. As indicated by the publication Army Recognition (USA), now they include up to 1000 BMP-1. Replacing them with BMP-3 would have cost the Russian budget 82-86 billion rubles. In this regard, upgrading the existing BMP-1 fleet to a level is a good option.

BMP-1AM is now on par with BTR-82A and BMP-2 in terms of firepower
- says the publication.

This vehicle received the 30-mm 2A72 cannon instead of the 73-mm 2A28 Thunder gun. "Thunder" no longer meets the modern requirements of fighting NATO military equipment, as it gives the ammunition a low initial velocity and has a low accuracy of fire. In fact, the main modernization consists in installing a new combat module, which does not have ATGMs.


Expert assessment of "Basurmanin"


In this regard, experts criticize such indicators of Basurmanin as protection, mobility and insufficient anti-tank potential. However, it should be borne in mind that the installation of a new power plant, additional armor and new ATGM (instead of the "Baby") will require large investments in the product and will practically devalue the residual value of the BMP-1 base vehicle.

A number of previous "sins" inherited from the BMP-1 may affect the export potential of the BMP-1AM. So, the Indian army, having a large arsenal of old Soviet technology, required, first of all, the installation of a power plant with increased power and adaptation to the new gearbox engine. In principle, this is not a problem and its solution depends only on the customer's desire and his willingness to incur additional financial costs.

For our part, we can note that the BMP-1 modernization program can go through several stages - like tank T-72B, which receives the entire set of improvements not all at once, but gradually.

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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 2 November 2020 04: 49
    +4
    ... Since 1966, ChTZ has produced over 20 thousand cars.
    Modernization is our everything!
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 November 2020 05: 18
      13
      rather, modernization for any army is everything. well, except for dwarfs who just throw off old garbage)
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 2 November 2020 17: 18
        +9
        Quote: carstorm 11
        rather, modernization for any army is everything.

        If the design has the potential for modernization, then I don't see anything wrong with it. As it was designed under the Soviet Union (safety factor 5) - the West still has to learn. And there is nothing to laugh about modernization. When was the Crocodile (Mi-24) designed? And the edge is not visible for modernization. And when was Mama (Mi-8) designed? And how many generations of the assault force "Mama" said "thank you" - did someone count it? From the first jump to the water, dry rations and ammunition. The other day Tu-154 made its LAST flight - and who can say that it is a bad plane? Let the first one throw a stone at me. My "demobilization" is Tashkent-Moscow .... And the An-24 is still flying. Creaks, cracks, but flies. And it will fly to the right place.

        So let the "victims of the exam" laugh at the word "modernization" ....
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 2 November 2020 13: 53
      14
      Vladimir hi
      This modernization could have been "budgetary" 20-25 years ago.
      To date, in all respects, it is frankly poor.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 2 November 2020 14: 24
        +6
        Alexey hi So I'm writing about this! At this rate, Maxim will soon be modernizing - the tape will be Teflon and antifreeze in cooling ... lol
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 2 November 2020 14: 45
          0
          Taking into account the fact that it has become a shameful trend to compete in stupidity with the neighboring "country 404", I am no longer surprised. Yes, there you are! wassat

        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 2 November 2020 17: 20
          +1
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Maxim will be modernized - the tape will be Teflon and antifreeze in cooling ...

          laughing good Vladimir, this is "five" ... drinks And how did I not think of it myself? goodI'll go, I'll dig it up in the shed and "modernize" ...
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 3 November 2020 01: 20
            +1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            "modernizing" ..

            Igor hi Don't forget about antifreeze! drinks
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 3 November 2020 03: 07
              +1
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              "modernizing" ..

              Igor hi Don't forget about antifreeze! drinks

              From my Toyota with salt. She has not seen this yet, but "Maxim" needs it more ... laughing
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 3 November 2020 03: 21
                0
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                From my Toyota with salt

                You also need to take care of that toy! hi
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 2 November 2020 04: 58
    12
    The old horse was put on a new saddle.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 2 November 2020 05: 20
      14
      Quote: Victor_B
      Old horse got a new saddle

      Most likely, they even changed the rider's saber. "Thunder" is completely outdated, and "Baby" in the afternoon with fire ... And the box is on the move ... Will travel again.
    2. musketon64
      musketon64 2 November 2020 10: 41
      +5
      Or - a new bridle for an old nag.
  3. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 2 November 2020 05: 20
    +7
    replacement? conclusions from the category - would you just blurt out something?))) who and where at least once even hinted that this is a replacement for BMP 3?)))))
  4. sleeve
    sleeve 2 November 2020 05: 42
    12
    Well, what to do? This is quite rational. Indeed, there will be further work with power. New ATGM. The same goes for a deuce. The bin needs to be moved. Something will be sold, something will come in handy.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 November 2020 06: 28
    +7
    The United States appreciated the new Basurmanin infantry fighting vehicle
    But the assessment has been reduced to a purely American approach - money. Recently, the Russian army has really learned how to count money, and in some cases, the modernization of obsolete equipment gives good results and with less financial costs. We replaced the outdated Thunder cannon with a 30 mm automatic cannon, and the Malyutka with a new ATGM is good. A more powerful propulsion system is good too. When the army is still in service with the BMP-1, why not replace them with modernized ones?
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 2 November 2020 06: 51
      +4
      I agree. I remember the news how they were surprised in the United States when journalists found out that $ 5 a hammer is supplied to the armed forces at a price of $ 200. This is a record even for our "sawmills". And the most interesting thing is that the assumption made about a phased modernization, like the T-72B, may well correspond to the budget of the Ministry of Defense and the plans for the phased modernization and renewal of BMPs in the Armed Forces.
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 2 November 2020 09: 06
        +6
        I remembered the universal answer of our "oppositionists": You don't understand! This is different! laughing
    2. Tugarin
      Tugarin 2 November 2020 08: 18
      16
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But the assessment has been reduced to a purely American approach - money

      No wonder. There everything starts with money and ends with money. Habit request
    3. vVvAD
      vVvAD 2 November 2020 09: 29
      0
      And yet these minimal investments, with an acceptable result, allow you to somehow overlap (bring more or less in line with the current realities) in anticipation of an extended transition to heavier machines of the Armata family. It is irrational to invest in the BMP-3, having much more technological, and more importantly, significantly more secure equipment.
      Otherwise, you can always ride on armor in anticipation of a land mine or RPG.
  6. icant007
    icant007 2 November 2020 06: 52
    +1
    Most of the changes in this BMP I like the name.
    But I would like to ask why is "Busurmanin" after all? )
    1. Graz
      Graz 2 November 2020 08: 07
      0
      Well, as if not your own (busurmanin), not exactly what you need (but you need an Orthodox Russian (Kurgan 25 and t-15)), but for not having a denekh on stamp paper, we write on plain paper, as they say, a forced surrogate.
      by the way, it would be better to call the Surrogate, well, or Generic laughing
      1. icant007
        icant007 2 November 2020 13: 09
        -1
        Quote: Graz
        not what you need (but you need Orthodox Russian (


        Alternatively, the name "Starover"), given that on the old platform)
  7. Lyapis
    Lyapis 2 November 2020 07: 46
    10
    Yes, bury the corpse of the first BMP already, stop dealing with this necrophilia. sad
    1. vVvAD
      vVvAD 2 November 2020 09: 33
      -1
      Read my previous comment and re-read the one it answers, and don't talk nonsense.
      1. Lyapis
        Lyapis 2 November 2020 10: 39
        +4
        Nonsense is to think that a car half a century old (for a minute, the progenitor of the entire BMP class) may be relevant, not even in 2020, but in the foreseeable future, you just have to replace the cannon and ATGM on it (you still can't replace them, "Baby "and" Thunder "is absolutely fossil trash). This makes the "penny", at best, analogs of the BMP-2, which itself is already outdated. And God forbid, we will have to "change over" with these products for 15-20 years, because earlier we will not see Armat in reasonable quantities.
        1. Pavel57
          Pavel57 2 November 2020 16: 51
          0
          And when is the war with NATO?
          1. Smirnoff
            Smirnoff 2 November 2020 19: 11
            15
            And when is the war with NATO?

            Yes, it is already going, only not directly, but through three gates.
    2. tagil
      tagil 2 November 2020 10: 52
      +4
      Oh yes, then let the Americans bury the corpse of their Bradley, it was created just to confront the BMP-1, but the stupid Americans have modernized it and right now they are testing the upgraded Bradley BMP at the location of the 3rd Cavalry Regiment of the 1st Cavalry Division of the US Army at the Fort Hood military base in Texas. Well, they are stupid according to Zadornov, but we are probably rich and smart. With the humpbacked a lot of things were buried and sawed.
      1. Lyapis
        Lyapis 2 November 2020 11: 03
        +8
        Oh, Bradley is just an example of how modernization should be done, not this is all. Look at the list of improvements in the latest modification of Bradley, and then at "Basurmanin". If after that you continue to argue that the BMP-1AM is a good upgrade, then this is a reason to recall Zadornov's statement, but not in relation to the Americans, but in relation to yourself.
        1. tagil
          tagil 2 November 2020 12: 46
          +2
          Well, of course, only Bradley has already gone through several upgrades, she did not receive all these buns overnight, and in the strongest and most democratic army in the world, this one BMP on tracks is still in service. And another is not yet expected. Now calculate how much BMP is in service with us. And we are modernizing, as you rightly said, the very first BMP in the world, and not the only one, unlike the most "strongest army in the world."
          If after that you continue to argue that the BMP-1AM is a good upgrade, then this is a reason to recall Zadornov's statement, but not in relation to the Americans, but in relation to yourself.
          That works well for you, too.
          1. Lyapis
            Lyapis 2 November 2020 13: 44
            +4
            So why did you yourself dragged Bradley into comparison, if you see all the difference between her and the BMP-1? The fact that the Americans have Bradley's only BMP does not change the situation in any way - they consistently and well modernized what they have in stock, and we spend resources and time on under-modernization of the worst, oldest and most stupid car of all that we have! If, I apologize, if you tie a bow to its essence, it will not change from this.
            This modernization was 30 years late, and now it has completely lost all meaning. The new cannon and engine will not make a penny more modern, powerful or tenacious, and in a modern conflict it will still be a "mass grave for the infantry", only in a completely non-figurative sense.
            1. tagil
              tagil 2 November 2020 15: 38
              -5
              Any BMP, even the most modern, is a "mass grave", if there is a trooper in it. At one time, the Americans conducted a test, a training battle between the BMP-1 and their tank, the BMP won the battle 6 times out of 10. So at one time it was the best. Since it can be modernized, it needs to be modernized, if not for yourself, then for others who have a lot of them and do not have money for advanced bradles. New modernized units that allegedly modernized for themselves can easily end up, for example, in Syria, or in Abkhazia and Ossetia. Well, in the end (what the devil is not joking) in the Donbass. In general, she can still fight and fight. There is no need to scatter military equipment.
              1. Lyapis
                Lyapis 2 November 2020 16: 47
                +1
                She had her "time" 40-50 years ago. According to this logic, the T-34 can still be modernized - after all, they were once the best! They can find themselves anywhere, even on the Moon, even in Middle-earth, but let the locals pay for this upgrade, not us.
                1. tagil
                  tagil 2 November 2020 17: 00
                  -1
                  I am surprised at you, you are not by any chance working for Siluanov, why you throw money so easily? Do you have any idea how much it will cost the state to dispose of these BMPs? That is, we must "bury" them just because you think they are old? These are normal cars for the third world (ha, Poles with Romanians and Finns) still have them in the army, and nothing. And why do you think that BMP-1 after modernization won't buy from us ??? As soon as they buy, they will also fight for them.
                  1. Lyapis
                    Lyapis 2 November 2020 18: 11
                    +3
                    No need to ascribe to me what I did not say.
                    They are considered old not only by me, but in general by any adequate person. For the third world they are normal, but we are not the third world. And not even Romanians (it’s definitely humiliating to compare us with). And the Poles and Finns are already changing (not upgrading!) BMP-1 for something more sane.
                    1. tagil
                      tagil 2 November 2020 19: 08
                      -2
                      Yes, they are old, but this does not mean that they cannot be modernized and not scrapped.
                      For the third world they are normal, but we are not the third world
                      That is, we cannot sell them after modernization, or donate them to Syria, or leave them in storage bases for a rainy day just because they are morally outdated?
                      And the Poles and Finns are already changing (not upgrading!) BMP-1 for something more sane.
                      Yes, yes, especially the Poles, in service with Poland in 2016 there were 1268 BWP-1 (BMP-1), I suppose that in 2020 they remain close to this figure (according to the Poles, BWP-1 remains the main BMP of the Polish army), I can upload photos of the tank repair plant, where the BMP is being put in order. But the Finns sold the BMP-1 long ago, but "they ride the BMP-2, but it's important. Admit that you got excited when you decided to bury this old stuff."
                      1. Garris199
                        Garris199 4 November 2020 04: 46
                        0
                        Thunder a cloud of money and give it to Syria? Or put it in storage?
                        I am against such "modernization". Money down the drain.
                      2. tagil
                        tagil 7 November 2020 09: 52
                        0
                        Well, if from this BMP batter two dozen barmaley in Syria, then it fully paid for its modernization (from this side was not considered). And the modernization of the stored equipment does not happen regularly, but it does.
  8. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 2 November 2020 11: 41
    -1
    If, as a result, they will reach the similarity of the 3rd, then it is noomal.
  9. cmax
    cmax 2 November 2020 14: 48
    +3
    This is not a corpse, but "goodbye Motherland." As they did not regret people before, they do not regret it. Paper BMP.
  • Maki maki
    Maki maki 2 November 2020 10: 10
    13
    With such a number in the troops, it is a very correct decision. Do not cut them.
  • Tneburashka
    Tneburashka 2 November 2020 10: 49
    +2
    There are Maxim machine guns in the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense, just in case, and the armor for them is being updated, so why should we be surprised at the modernization of the BMP1, which is in reserve, on the contrary, the General Staff thinks about this, and this pleases
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 2 November 2020 17: 20
      0
      Quote: Tneburashka
      There are Maxim machine guns in the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense, just in case

      there are also mosinks ...
  • Growlers
    Growlers 2 November 2020 11: 11
    10
    This should have been done "the day before yesterday"! And such a late "modification" is like a mustard plaster on the seat of a dead man.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 2 November 2020 11: 39
    0
    They need better protection, like the Dragoons.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 2 November 2020 13: 22
    +2
    Given the increased role of unmanned vehicles, in my opinion, it is better to sharpen the BMP-1 to combat them.
    1. spectr
      spectr 2 November 2020 21: 54
      0
      Perhaps all these alterations began to be actively implemented because of the UAV. Recent conflicts have shown that it does not matter which target is 20 tons or 70 tons. Each has its own rocket, the main thing is to detect. More and more mobility, stealth and great firepower in one bottle are coming to the fore.
      And tanks are left with a limited niche and going beyond it will lead to large losses.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 2 November 2020 16: 24
    +5
    Quote: rotmistr60
    The United States appreciated the new Basurmanin infantry fighting vehicle
    But the assessment has been reduced to a purely American approach - money. Recently, the Russian army has really learned how to count money, and in some cases, the modernization of obsolete equipment gives good results and with less financial costs. We replaced the outdated Thunder cannon with a 30 mm automatic cannon, and the Malyutka with a new ATGM is good. A more powerful propulsion system is good too. When the army is still in service with the BMP-1, why not replace them with modernized ones?

    The stump is clear - "push" BMP-3 beyond the cordon, as well as everything more or less in demand there, but for the children of the rabble it will do. sad
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 2 November 2020 17: 31
      -1
      And now the most interesting thing .. who said that the BMP-3 was abandoned?
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 2 November 2020 17: 25
    -2
    BMP-1 Basurmanin NORMAL vehicle and meets modern conditions and requirements after modernization.
    Pardon me gentlemen, comrades experts, but stop spanking nonsense, on the video service one called it "HORROR of mothers".

    1. Does the BTR-82 have the same module? - same. So what? Like you can call BMP-1 Basurmanin - conventionally "tracked BTR-1", no problem.
    Now a question. What would you prefer in the event of a major conflict, I will emphasize LARGE, with our participation, taking into account our landscape, conditions, road network, BTR-82 or "tracked BTR-1", aka BMP-1 Basurmanin?

    2. Question and price factor. They say cheap, etc., they say there is a BMP-2 and even more so there is a BMP-3. And no one thought about the question and the problem of a factor like TIME? Does anyone remember and wonder how many new units have we deployed in the European part of the country? - but think about why and why ...
    The BMP-2 already exists and at the very least meets the requirements, I emphasize, of a major conflict. BMP-3 is small and there is a factor not only of the price, but also of the production capabilities of Kurganmashzavod. Let me remind you about TIME, we need a lot of vehicles for motorized rifle units, both new and cropped, taking into account their deployment in wartime.
    Apparently, taking into account the production capabilities for diesel engines and new fighting compartments for upgrading the BMP-1 to a new level, a decision was made to modernize the BMP-1 from reserve and storage. Well, plus it is really CHEAPER, that is, we can prepare for a possible threat FAST and really cheap, and this is also a plus and very important for our country and especially now.
    And again, a massive tracked vehicle for motorized rifle troops in our conditions and in the event of a major conflict with our participation is preferable to a wheeled vehicle. The availability of such an opportunity at the expense of the remnants of the armament of the USSR, in a short time to create a completely modern machine and in large quantities - this is our advantage, this is a trump card.
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 2 November 2020 17: 30
      -1
      nonsense they wrote .. btr-1-there is no such beast .. bmp-1am is exactly what is indicated as bmp, but here he has no combat capabilities from the word at all .. subject to the existence of sane modernization, like Cleaver or installing a tower from bmd-2 ..
  • Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 2 November 2020 17: 29
    -1
    they have so-so experts .... it's a pity that you can't swear here)
  • Radikal
    Radikal 2 November 2020 18: 02
    +1
    Quote: Boris Chernikov
    And now the most interesting thing .. who said that the BMP-3 was abandoned?

    And what is the ratio of BMP-3 to BMP -1,2 in the RF Armed Forces? winked
  • Garm
    Garm 2 November 2020 18: 06
    0
    "BMP-1AM is now on par with the BTR-82A and BMP-2 in terms of firepower" - to compare with the BTR-82A, but not with the BMP-2. The BMP-2 is equipped with a 2A42 cannon, the rate of fire is up to 800 rounds per minute, and the BTR-82A and BMP-1AM are equipped with a 2A72 cannon, the rate of fire is 330 rounds per minute.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 2 November 2020 19: 42
    0
    Quote: Boris Chernikov
    nonsense they wrote .. btr-1-there is no such beast .. bmp-1am is exactly what is indicated as bmp, but here he has no combat capabilities from the word at all .. subject to the existence of sane modernization, like Cleaver or installing a tower from bmd-2 ..
    BE TIME and enough funds no problem, this is about the latter. But the feeling that many do not understand why, and so urgently took up the modernization of the BMP-1, to the level of the BMP-1AM.

    He called the BMP-1AM, for those who are in the tank - CONDITIONALLY "BTR-1", so that the writers, as well as the artel of the blind and the deaf, understand and see the difference between the BMP-1AM and for example the BTR-82.

    Quote: Garm
    "BMP-1AM is now on par with the BTR-82A and BMP-2 in terms of firepower" - to compare with the BTR-82A, but not with the BMP-2. The BMP-2 is equipped with a 2A42 cannon, the rate of fire is up to 800 rounds per minute, and the BTR-82A and BMP-1AM are equipped with a 2A72 cannon, the rate of fire is 330 rounds per minute.
    On the BTR-82. With equal firepower, only technically, in terms of aggregate qualities, the BMP-1AM has superiority.

    By BMP-2. There is a difference in the technical rate of fire, more than twice. But only the effectiveness of a weapon is assessed by its combat rate of fire, and in the case of an automatic cannon by many other criteria.

    The battalion on the BMP-1AM will be more effective than the battalion on the BTR-82, and theoretically will slightly yield to the battalion on the BMP-2.
    But we can deploy battalions on the BMP-1AM in a quantity sufficient to create a guaranteed parity or increase the offensive potential in a shorter time frame and more CHEAPER than any potential enemy. Well, the threat due to which such plans are adopted will disappear, it is also great, the BMP-1AM will be in good demand in foreign markets, and we will, at a calm pace and less strain, replace them with BMP-3 and more advanced ones.

    Once again, I propose to think about the reasons for such a rush and the reasons why they resorted to such fast the option of upgrading the BMP-1 and, accordingly, increasing the number of parts and equipment ... Or write loudly, in large letters? ...
    This is not a dance game.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 3 November 2020 09: 37
    0
    If there are heaps of BMP-2 cases in storage, this is not relevant for Russia.

    But for foreign owners very much even. But, again, it would be necessary to compare the price with a used bmp-2.
  • Igor Semenov
    Igor Semenov 3 November 2020 16: 32
    0
    But why "Basurmanin" !? Basurmanin (distorted from "Muslim") is a designation of a person of a different (non-Christian) faith - non-Orthodox, non-believer, foreigner, ill-wisher, barbarian.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 3 November 2020 22: 46
    0
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    If there are heaps of BMP-2 cases in storage, this is not relevant for Russia.

    But for foreign owners very much even. But, again, it would be necessary to compare the price with a used bmp-2.
    If there are so many BMP-2s in storage, did not you wonder why then in the troops they have not replaced BMP-1s of which, if all, then almost a thousand? ...

    BMP-1 we have about 8000 units, taking into account those in the army and in storage. And for their modernization there is no need to occupy the capacity of the Kurganmashzavod, it can be done at a number of enterprises.


    The photo is impressive.
  • Grosses russland
    Grosses russland 4 November 2020 06: 36
    +1
    Well, it's right that they are upgrading, tk. we must also proceed from financial capabilities, because a large number of wunderwaves cannot be riveted anyway. And the way as in Germany at the end of the war, instead of releasing more grooves, pieces and similar equipment, they invested in all sorts of monsters - a dead end way.
  • Thomas N.
    Thomas N. 4 November 2020 16: 55
    0
    What is "strange" to put it mildly selection of video in the news? Is that the first thing that came to hand? The second video is generally the dumbest half of the time there in the frame is not "Basurmanin", but in the first frame in general BMP-2M "Berezhok" and she also shoots from the site.