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"Like targets in exercises": experts assessed footage of Azerbaijani strikes against Armenian positions

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The trenches and other engineering structures of the Armenian side in the zone of the Karabakh conflict continue to remain in full view of the enemy. The main reason is that the Azerbaijani army monitors the situation from the air using a variety of drones, including Turkish and Israeli-made drones.


The unmanned aerial vehicle of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces act as flying observation devices, as well as fire adjustments. This is one of the reasons why Azerbaijani troops are able to deliver pinpoint strikes with maximum efficiency.

Where, under the action of conventional gunners - "from the ground" - several artillery shells would be required to hit selected targets, in the case of correction by means of a UAV, only one is often required. At the same time, not only military equipment is destroyed, but also positions with manpower of the troops of Nagorno-Karabakh.



Demonstration of shots of shelling by Azerbaijani troops on the positions of the Armenian side:


It can be seen how the shells are precisely placed in the trenches and trenches, which thus turn into very easy targets for the Azerbaijani artillery. Experts, evaluating the personnel, note that the shooting itself is conducted "as at targets in exercises" - the positions are actually open, without camouflage and cover with effective air defense means - as during training sessions with live firing.
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  1. Trojan_wolf
    Trojan_wolf 1 November 2020 19: 30 New
    23
    Some were preparing for the war of the last century, others for the war of the present.
    1. vlad.baryatinsky
      vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 19: 34 New
      +5
      Hello!
      Quote: Trojan_Wolf
      Some were preparing for the war of the last century, others for the war of the present.

      And the bottom line: we got a real war.
      1. MTN
        MTN 1 November 2020 20: 49 New
        20
        Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
        And the bottom line: we got a real war.

        When you run after 2 hares, you can't catch up with one. Armenians are in NATO training camp, then at the training camp in the CSTO. The result is dire. Not their defense, not their camouflage, not engineering structures were not of the proper level. And about air defense generally keep quiet. Who should you be to see how Azerbaijan buys drones, builds them, and not take any measures? Lack of government? Overconfidence? Or the hope that Russia will save? The result, the loss of people, equipment, land, reputation, oh, and they will take a long time to recover.
        1. vlad.baryatinsky
          vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 21: 03 New
          11
          Salam!

          Quote: MTN
          When you run after 2 hares, you can't catch up with one.

          Totally agree!
          Quote: MTN
          Armenians are in NATO training camp, then at the training camp in the CSTO.

          To be fair, your country also did not shy away from NATO's "company".
          Do not think anything bad. The usual statement of fact!
          Quote: MTN
          ... Not their defense, not their camouflage, not engineering structures were not of the proper level.

          I fully share your assessment of the Am fortification. I will say more, no matter how hard I tried to make out the notorious line of * Ohanyan * from the numerous videos I did not see. Probably not where I should be looking request ... In all the videos, I only saw the anti-tank ditch once!
          Basically, focal points of resistance are equipped at a noticeable level.
          The trenches are located close, there are no communication passages. There is no firing sector for small arms. And in order to fire to kill, the shooter must almost roll over to his full height through the trench brute to fire. I will not say anything about the separation of these positions.
          Quote: MTN
          Overconfidence? Or the hope that Russia will save?

          Here! Here! The key message of your review! This is what they were counting on.
          1. MTN
            MTN 1 November 2020 21: 16 New
            +5
            Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
            To be fair, your country also did not shy away from NATO's "company".

            Yes you are right. But we are not in the CSTO. Big difference.

            Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
            I will say more, no matter how hard I tried to make out the notorious line of * Ohanyan * from the numerous videos I did not see.

            Back in April 2016, Azerbaijani soldiers broke through this line overnight. True, then the Armenians and the skyscrapers lost people, equipment, strong points, the minister of defense of their positions, many officers, but at the same time in Armenia there was a victory over Azerbaijan. They were jubilant. Yes Yes)
            1. vlad.baryatinsky
              vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 21: 30 New
              +3
              Quote: MTN
              But we are not in the CSTO. Big difference.

              Of course!
              Who would argue. Actually, I did not give an example as a censure.
              Quote: MTN
              Back in April 2016, Azerbaijani soldiers broke through this line overnight.

              I was aware of the events taking place.
              Quote: MTN
              but at the same time in Armenia there was a victory over Azerbaijan.

              True, they admitted that they lost about 200-hundred hectares. Although many times more.
              If my memory serves me, you also had a local success in the Nakhichevan direction ?!
              Quote: MTN
              They were jubilant. Yes Yes)

              Now too - (irony).
              1. MTN
                MTN 1 November 2020 21: 59 New
                +3
                Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
                Now too - (irony).

                And here is the Karabakh puppet regime https://video.azertag.az/ru/video/106147, judging by the convoy, it is definitely high-ranking.
            2. vitvit123
              vitvit123 1 November 2020 22: 18 New
              14
              I read your comments. Out of harm, I try to disagree with something, but it doesn't work. I try to be neutral in every possible way, but Azerbaijan's position is closer. Although on Friday I talked with one young Azerbaijani and jokingly asked him about the conflict. At first he very categorically began to tell me that he would not discuss this topic. Then I realized that I was not going to provoke him, I began to talk a little. He says that he has Armenian friends here, there are no problems with them. Relationships are friends (he said so). Because I am a supporter of adequate communication, I liked his words. Like this ..
              1. AĞGURD
                AĞGURD 2 November 2020 02: 41 New
                +3
                Quote: vitvit123
                I read your comments. Out of harm, I try to disagree with something, but it doesn't work. I try to be neutral in every possible way, but Azerbaijan's position is closer. Although on Friday I talked with one young Azerbaijani and jokingly asked him about the conflict. At first he very categorically began to tell me that he would not discuss this topic. Then I realized that I was not going to provoke him, I began to talk a little. He says that he has Armenian friends here, there are no problems with them. Relationships are friends (he said so). Because I am a supporter of adequate communication, I liked his words. Like this ..

                to be honest, Armenians are divided into groups ...
                1) Karabakh (grabbers, traitors, schemers, scammers, cowardly, greedy)
                2) Yerevan:
                a) urban-ruskozychnye (according to the concepts (Caucasian too) honest decent generous but nationalists)
                b) just nazianists, cunning, stingy with everything
                3) district ... rabbits, envious, ignorant, without understanding, bykavshchina
                4) refugees ... hysterics, offenders in life, a treacherous entity ..
                5) Baku:
                a) local city, saline, according to the concepts (Caucasian too) honest decent generous
                b) offended, cunning, nationalists, harmful, intriguing
                from these you get a comfortable relationship or communication or business
                with Baku (city) Azerbaijanis with Armenians from Yerevan (s) and Baku (s)
                Karabakhi with Karabakhimi
                district with district
          2. Albay
            Albay 1 November 2020 22: 40 New
            +8
            Vlad welcome!
            Perhaps I disagree with you that the defensive positions of the Armenians are primitive. The defensive lines are well equipped, there are a lot of underground tunnels, concrete pillboxes, bunkers. In some places the echelon of the defense to a depth of 10 km. I saw one video from the positions captured in the south, quite competently I think after the war they will show Ohanian's entire line.
            Best regards
            1. vlad.baryatinsky
              vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 00: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: Albay
              Vlad welcome!

              Hello!
              Quote: Albay
              Perhaps I do not agree with you that the defensive positions of the Armenians are primitive.

              By the way, I emphasized that I might not have looked there.
              Quote: Albay
              The defensive lines are well equipped, there are a lot of concrete underground tunnels, concrete pillboxes, bunkers. In some places, the echelon of the defense is up to 10 km deep.

              To be honest, I am surprised by your arguments.
              Agree that the success accompanying Az at the front, in particular in the south, in order to promote Az. would not fail to take advantage of the logic that We (az.) broke through the deeply echeloned defense of Am, which has been under construction for decades, equipped with the last word of fortification thought.
              And these are We (az.) Heroes!
              But there is nothing of the kind.
              Aliyev would not hesitate to take advantage of such a propaganda step as to praise Az's army. in the eyes of the People.
              But nothing of the kind is even close.
              I will tell you more.
              I will follow the conflict not only through the Russian-language media.
              As an objectivity, I also use Ar.
              In particular, Ar. TV channel Shant TV
              In my opinion, he covers the most extensively and in detail with Ap. sides fighting. But even there, when there are TVD reports, there is also nothing that would confirm the widely advertised line of * Ohanyan *.
              And I have not seen the tunnels and pillboxes mentioned by you kindly as "concrete" tunnels and "concrete" pillboxes.
              I saw stone pillboxes. But I would rather describe it as NP.
              Agree pillboxes in military fortifications are classified as: Long Term Firing Points :.
              Excuse me, but until now I have not seen anything like this in this conflict on the part of Am.
              Peace to you!
              1. Albay
                Albay 3 November 2020 00: 04 New
                +4
                Vlad, hello again. I don’t think Aliyev needs such a propaganda move. Many people here mistakenly believe that someone from outside is pushing Azerbaijan into the war, all the people have been waiting for this day for 30 years. After the events in Tovuz in July where General Hashimov died about 200 thousands, mostly young people went to the demonstration with the slogans "Commander-in-chief give the order and we will liberate our lands", that is, people do not need any propaganda. As for the fortifications, I speak as a reserve officer who knows them firsthand. You need to take into account the terrain where there are places possible tank breakthroughs, and there are only two of them, the depth of the defense echelons is 10 km, with minefields, underground tunnels, concrete pillboxes, etc. In mountainous areas, competently constructed positions go over to the second echelon, where the advancing on the backs of the retreating go out to machine-gun points. positions can be easily seen on satellite maps, for example, I can send them to my face.
                Sincerely.
                1. vlad.baryatinsky
                  vlad.baryatinsky 3 November 2020 00: 33 New
                  +2
                  Salam!
                  You have Bayram.
                  They took Chardarly.
                  The Armenians wavered.
                  Yahweh! GOD! ALLAH! On the side of the truth.
                  1. Albay
                    Albay 3 November 2020 02: 51 New
                    +4
                    Vlad, thanks of course, but for me the messages about the taken heights around Shushi are more important.
                    According to my calculations, the village you named was liberated two days ago if there are battles in Dashalty, as can be seen from the last video of Anna News.
                    Our cause is right and we will win!
                    Best regards
        2. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 1 November 2020 21: 06 New
          13
          Quote: MTN
          Who should you be to see how Azerbaijan buys drones, builds them, and not take any measures?

          You have to be thieves. They plundered the money allocated for defense, and here are the results.
          Quote: MTN
          Or the hope that Russia will save?

          And that was their self-justification. They just didn’t take into account that we shouldn’t have shouted about the Russian invaders so that we could save them. They wanted to lick the butt of the states, and their own nationalists ...
          Quote: MTN
          The result, the loss of people, equipment, land, reputation, oh, and they will take a long time to recover.

          Seriously. Maybe someone from the former republics, and now new friends of the United States, will think about the consequences of some words and deeds ...
          1. MTN
            MTN 1 November 2020 21: 20 New
            22
            Quote: oleg123219307
            Seriously. Maybe someone from the former republics, and now new friends of the United States, will think about the consequences of some words and deeds ...

            After Georgia, the Armenians did not get their minds. The West will never save them. Only Russia. This is an ace of trump cards. And they, in order to protect him like the apple of an eye, began to water it with mud. Today I read what Armenian deputy says, we must stay further from Russia. The reason ......... human rights are not respected there)))))))))

            For Russia, Pashinyan was Iuada, for Armenians it turned out to be God's punishment, and for Azerbaijanis, a jackpot!
            1. Alena-Baku
              Alena-Baku 1 November 2020 22: 33 New
              +2
              Armenians are not fools, they know that the key to the recognition of Karabakh is from the West, so they went there, the example of Kosovo and Crimea.
          2. obratov
            obratov 1 November 2020 21: 41 New
            -25 qualifying.
            Yes! Think ... Russia will throw it anyway! I had to go to NATO!
            1. Moonsund
              Moonsund 1 November 2020 23: 28 New
              14
              Good luck
              1. Asad
                Asad 2 November 2020 04: 51 New
                +6
                Flag in hand and drum on the neck!
              2. obratov
                obratov 3 November 2020 16: 00 New
                0
                Russian with Chinese brothers forever!
            2. begemot20091
              begemot20091 2 November 2020 00: 51 New
              19
              Do not forget to leave the Russian Federation to your place in order to have time to fight to the last Armenian. And then ... NATO. You are all heroes here. And to fight for you ... Yes, for the bastard. Why should our mothers receive coffins? Go to the mountains, graze the flocks, make cheese ... The industry was ruined, everything they could plundered. What to live on? Under the USSR, you lived like Christ's in the bosom. Did you want to be a specific principality? Spit north: "We are a proud people. An ancient people." But the ancient people are wise, do not spit at their neighbors, but live in friendship, realizing that this is the power. Now reap the benefits of your rocking. Next to you is another NATO example - Georgia. And Ukraine is not very far away either. Learn history.
              1. Nagaibak
                Nagaibak 2 November 2020 16: 32 New
                -3
                begemot20091 "Do not forget to leave the Russian Federation to your place in order to have time to fight to the last Armenian. And then ... To NATO. You are all heroes here."
                Why don't you call Azerbaijanis home in the same way?)))) Let them fight in Karabakh and not on the VO website.)))
                1. begemot20091
                  begemot20091 2 November 2020 22: 20 New
                  +1
                  Armenians ask us to fight, but we can't do it there. I am a Siberian to me my frosts with snow are closer and dearer than mountain air. and I have already won mine. already 25 years ago he took off his shoulder straps. I live well in retirement. Solve your problems yourself.
                  1. Nagaibak
                    Nagaibak 2 November 2020 22: 36 New
                    -2
                    begemot20091 "The Armenians ask us to fight, but we can't do it there. I'm a Siberian for me ..."
                    Nobody asks me to fight. You just speak to one and not to others. It looks funny. As for me, so let everyone go and fight there. By the way, I was born in the southern Urals, but I live in Siberia.
                    1. begemot20091
                      begemot20091 3 November 2020 00: 38 New
                      +2
                      I speak to both. but the letter is written first. and are rude to the Russians, who are, as it were, in alliance with them. find russian schools in armenia. I don't care about both. at school I could distinguish only gypsies, for they appeared and disappeared from my field of vision. and yet nobody wanted to be Germans when they played the war. I had to serve and live in some "fraternal" republics. Yes, enemies are not necessary, having such brothers. How many have I heard that we are fed, watered, working for us. Now they themselves eat and drink what they fed us.
                      1. Nagaibak
                        Nagaibak 3 November 2020 07: 22 New
                        0
                        begemot20091 "I speak to both. But the first write the letter. And they are rude to the Russians, who seem to be in alliance with them.
                        And you will talk with the second about the Crimea and Ukraine.))) And maybe you will understand what I am writing to you.
                      2. begemot20091
                        begemot20091 4 November 2020 18: 06 New
                        -1
                        why should I speak? For 20 years I have heard from Ukrainians everything they think of us. and I deeply ... t what they think about Ukraine and, moreover, about Crimea. The main thing is that I know and think about it. You can even imagine that I am deeply in two, that they think of me. I am an accomplished person. I have everything: I have planted many trees, built so many houses that there will be enough for my great-grandchildren and great-great-great-grandchildren, I have children, I have grandchildren. And I knew, and I know, that non-these comrades fed Russia, and we fed them. This can be seen today. And when all the archives are opened, and the courts of the recent type near Novgorod begin, they will begin to remember Stalin with a good name. And the groaning about his deeds will end.
                      3. Nagaibak
                        Nagaibak 4 November 2020 19: 09 New
                        0
                        begemot20091 "why should I talk?"
                        So I don’t argue with you))) I’m even more in half. they are all the same to me. but from the Armenians I did not hear that you- Russia occupied the Crimea. And I heard from Azerbaijanis more than once. That's all. For everything else, I agree with you. Life has already shown who fed and supported whom.
          3. obratov
            obratov 3 November 2020 16: 06 New
            0
            History with the CSTO? It's funny!
            We watch TV further!
      2. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 2 November 2020 01: 48 New
        -4
        Quote: oleg123219307
        You have to be thieves. They plundered the money allocated for defense, and here are the results.

        and what is this result? what
        Azerbaijan has been poking around with the self-proclaimed republic and the militia for a month now ... and Armenia is behind the self-proclaimed republic, and Turkey is behind Azerbaijan. all this is done using the most modern means of warfare, according to the Azerbaijanis and some experts, and the result is essentially nothing request for a month there they have been heroically defeating everyone in commercials, and the NKR is still not under its control, and even the foreseeable time for the completion of the operation is not visible.
        are you sure that you are objectively assessing the situation?
        1. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 2 November 2020 08: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: SanichSan
          and what is this result?

          Half of the territory has been lost, including 2/3 of the strategic settlements. Most of the armored vehicles were lost, the air defense system was essentially destroyed, the casualties in manpower are generally a disaster - they are comparable on the sides, despite the fact that the defenders should have at least three times less.
          Quote: SanichSan
          Azerbaijan has been poking around with the self-proclaimed republic and the militia for a month now ...

          Damn, well, we are all adults here, why write nonsense? Azerbaijan has been poking around with the entire Armenian army for a month now. And they are poking around for 3 reasons. Mountains, lack of experience and unwillingness to run into us. On the plain, everything would be over, but the mountains are much more difficult to clear. Comparable in size and equipment, our grouping, for example, from the 58th army, would probably have managed it too, but the Azerbaijani army and command have essentially the first experience of such battles, they were burned a couple of times, so they are cautious. Well, and most importantly, they have no opportunity to shit behind the enemy lines. The main warehouses of the "militia" are in Armenia, the OTRK - in Armenia, and the air defense - in Armenia. And try to hit massively there. So they are fighting quietly. As for the deadline - within 10 days they will take Shusha, and that's all. Then they will flounder for another month, but without supplies they will not fight much.
          Quote: SanichSan
          are you sure that you are objectively assessing the situation?

          Overall, I'm sure. For 30 years it was possible to arrange such a defense there that no UAVs would help. Look at the schemes of pillboxes of another 2 world. What can this lousy UAV do with that? Or if the citizens "opolchentsy" would dig normal trenches. Or they masked the technique. Or would they not squander the money allocated for the air defense ... I do not root for Azerbaijan with all my heart, I really do not like their allies, but in general, I don't care who wins. But objectively, Armenia had chances, because who would not say what, and Turkey did not get into the war, and the war is essentially 1 on 1. And the fact that they are losing only their own cant.
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 2 November 2020 13: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: oleg123219307
            Damn, well, we are all adults here, why write nonsense? Azerbaijan has been poking around with the entire Armenian army for a month now.

            after the second phrase, there are big doubts about the reliability of the first.
            NKR is the territory of Azerbaijan and the Armed Forces of Armenia are not there. there are Armenian proxies and the technology of the last century that was transferred to them.
            Quote: oleg123219307
            And they are poking around for 3 reasons. Mountains, lack of experience and unwillingness to run into us.

            on the first two points is obviously true, but the third is how ??? Where can they run into us when this is the territory of Azerbaijan and Russia recognizes it?
            Quote: oleg123219307
            Well, and most importantly, they have no opportunity to shit behind the enemy lines.

            amazing! and the Armed Forces of Armenia have Iskanders who cover the entire territory of Azerbaijan, but for some reason they do not work for purposes. request Do you still believe that Azerbaijan is at war with the Armenian Armed Forces?
            Quote: oleg123219307
            And try to hit massively there.
            in in. it will really have to be at war with the Armed Forces of Armenia, with the real ones, not the fictional ones.
            Quote: oleg123219307
            Overall, I'm sure.

            hmmm .. let's see. bully
            Quote: oleg123219307
            For 30 years it was possible to arrange such a defense there that no UAVs would help. Look at the schemes of pillboxes of another 2 world. What can this lousy UAV do with that?

            80 years ago it became obvious that no matter how long you dig into the ground, it will last three days. the tactics of shock-assault groups are already more than 100 years old. all this became known from the First World War, and from the Second World War it became an obvious fact. all for which we need fortifications now is to give a little time for the reaction of the headquarters, to determine the direction of the enemy's attack and to organize a counterattack.
            for reference ... the breakout of the Magenot line took about a week. the second assault on the Mannerheim line in 1939, in 2 weeks a breakthrough and complete defeat of the Finns. and again the Finns in 1944. they buried for three years, gouged out the fortifications in the rocks and coated them with concrete, and broke through all this in 3 days.
            Quote: oleg123219307
            Or if the citizens "opolchentsy" would dig normal trenches. Or they masked the technique.

            so they dig and mask to the best of their strength and capabilities which Armenian proxies do not have so much request
            Quote: oleg123219307
            Or they wouldn't squander the grandmas allocated for air defense ...

            what kind of money? what air defense ??? in NKR or what? what they wrote off in Armenia and got it. you at least something not from the last century saw there in the air defense?
            Quote: oleg123219307
            But objectively, Armenia had chances, because who would not say what, and Turkey did not get into the war and the war is essentially 1 on 1.

            Turkey "does not get involved" in the conflict just like Armenia. and what chances did Armenia have to maintain control over Karabakh? this is the territory of Azerbaijan and Armenia cannot use its regular army there, while Azerbaijan can use all available means and support from Turkey.
            PS
            a feeling that the headquarters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine came to VO on tour. yesterday they fought with the RF Armed Forces for 6 years in the LDNR, and today the Armenian Armed Forces win in the NKR negative
            1. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 2 November 2020 14: 33 New
              +2
              Quote: SanichSan
              NKR is the territory of Azerbaijan and the Armed Forces of Armenia are not there. there are Armenian proxies and the technology of the last century that was transferred to them.

              Even the losses of Armenians confirmed in the video are already approaching in number to all armored vehicles, namely that the Armed Forces of Armenia ... Yes, and the general mobilization was announced in Armenia. Why do you think there is total mobilization, calls to create a militia and send it to the front, a law on the conscription of all reservists, if a huge and invincible army of Armenia is available?
              Quote: SanichSan
              Where can they run into us when this is the territory of Azerbaijan and Russia recognizes it?

              Well I wrote in detail where. All logistics support services are located in Armenia. For a quick victory, they must be destroyed. But it is impossible, because this will definitely cause a response from the CSTO.
              Quote: SanichSan
              amazing! and the Armed Forces of Armenia have Iskanders who cover the entire territory of Azerbaijan, but for some reason they do not work for purposes. Do you still believe that Azerbaijan is at war with the Armenian Armed Forces?

              If they were allowed. Or they might not have allowed it. Judging by how the SCADs have smashed a couple of residential quarters, the qualifications there are so-so ... And there can be a lot of harm. Remember how they threatened each other - to demolish the dam and the nuclear power plant. Do we need it? Ours could simply prohibit the use of tactical weapons under the threat of being denied assistance in the event of an attack on Armenia.
              Quote: SanichSan
              80 years ago it became obvious that no matter how long you dig into the ground, it will last for three days.

              In the mountains? The normal network of bunkers of concrete, buried shelters for equipment, camouflaged trenches and tunnels, would nullify all the enemy's advantage in the air. Yes, over time they would have been removed from there with artillery, but with huge losses in people, equipment and time. However, they didn't bother.
              Quote: SanichSan
              the breakout of the Magenot line took about a week. the second assault on the Mannerheim line in 1939, in 2 weeks a breakthrough and complete defeat of the Finns. and again the Finns in 1944. they buried for three years, gouged out the fortifications in the rocks and coated them with concrete, and broke through all this in 3 days.

              And at what cost? And now the loss is 1 to 1.
              Quote: SanichSan
              so they dig and mask to the best of their strength and capabilities which Armenian proxies do not have so much

              I understood. They have proxy shovels, they don't dig like that ..
              Quote: SanichSan
              have you seen anything from the last century in the air defense?

              Does Armenia have it? And the money was.
              Quote: SanichSan
              Turkey "does not get involved" in the conflict just like Armenia. and what chances did Armenia have to maintain control over Karabakh? this is the territory of Azerbaijan and Armenia cannot use its regular army there, while Azerbaijan can use all available means and support from Turkey.

              Turkey does not climb solely because then we will also climb. They don't care about Armenia, that Armenia without us for the Turks for a week.
              Quote: SanichSan
              a feeling that the headquarters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine came to VO on tour. yesterday they fought with the RF Armed Forces for 6 years in the LDNR, and today the Armenian Armed Forces win in the NKR

              Aren't you from there? And then you have an army of 10 million Azerbaijan already fighting with the "NKR militia" for a month, and Armenia, with general mobilization and hundreds of statements that it is the troops of Armenia that are fighting, as it were ...
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 2 November 2020 15: 47 New
                0
                Quote: oleg123219307
                Even the losses of Armenians confirmed in the video are already approaching in number to all armored vehicles, namely that the Armenian Armed Forces ...

                Do you seriously think that Azeri propaganda from the media is an argument? belay
                Quote: oleg123219307
                Yes, general mobilization was announced in Armenia. Why do you think there is total mobilization, calls to create a militia and send it to the front, a law on the conscription of all reservists, if a huge and invincible army of Armenia is available?

                and when you have a war on the border and you are squeezed out of previously controlled territories, you probably need to arrange a gay parade instead of mobilization? belay
                Quote: oleg123219307
                Well I wrote in detail where. All logistics support services are located in Armenia. For a quick victory, they must be destroyed. But it is impossible, because this will definitely cause a response from the CSTO.
                and Azerbaijani? I understand why the NKR cannot. they do not have the means for this, but Armenia, why?
                Quote: oleg123219307
                If they were allowed. Or they might not have allowed it.

                a .. there you go. they were not allowed .. it means that the regular army of Armenia in the NKR was allowed to fight, but they were not allowed to demolish the infrastructure of Azerbaijan. Well, what .. P-logic. request
                seriously! what kind of nonsense are you composing?
                Quote: oleg123219307
                In the mountains? The normal network of bunkers of concrete, buried shelters for equipment, camouflaged trenches and tunnels, would nullify all the enemy's advantage in the air.

                when? in the middle of the last century? come back to reality! in the last century it was impossible to break the defense without heavy artillery. today the infantry has the means to suppress such fortifications. look in the internet for a video of what portable missile systems with fortifications are doing. in Afghanistan, our Tara-Bora assault groups were suppressed in a week without heavy artillery, with assault groups. but if on a stupid thing, yes .. the United States knocked out his own month.
                Quote: oleg123219307
                I understood. They have proxy shovels, they don't dig like that ..

                is this an application for the title of "fortification expert"? wassat
                why the Azerbaijanis with the capture of Shushi again crumpled once the Armenian proxies do not know how to drip?
                Quote: oleg123219307
                Does Armenia have it? And the money was.

                that's how it works in Armenia. We're talking about NCR, right?
                Quote: oleg123219307
                Aren't you from there? And then you have an army of 10 million Azerbaijan for a month already fighting the "NKR militia"

                what I am writing to you. all these show-offs with drones do not lead to the solution of tactical and strategic tasks at all request videos were filmed, and even approximately did not fulfill the task of regaining control over their territory. but got stuck in positional battles.
                Quote: oleg123219307
                and Armenia, with general mobilization and hundreds of statements that it is the troops of Armenia that are fighting, as it were, and nothing to do with ...

                whose? Azerbaijani statements? Where? in the Azerbaijani media ??? Seriously? is this your representative source? If you undertook to relay this nonsense, then I have a question for you - which parts of the regular army of Armenia are fighting there and where? please from Armenian sources data.
                Ukrainian media and generals won, too, for 6 years the RF Armed Forces have won. do you believe them too? if so, I have no more questions. all the best hi
                1. Oleg123219307
                  Oleg123219307 2 November 2020 17: 09 New
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                  Quote: SanichSan
                  Do you seriously think that Azeri propaganda from the media is an argument?

                  No. The only argument is beat records.
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  and when you have a war on the border and you are squeezed out of previously controlled territories, you probably need to arrange a gay parade instead of mobilization?

                  You will decide. Armenia has nothing to do with it, or are you being squeezed out of the controlled territories?
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  and Azerbaijani? I understand why the NKR cannot. they do not have the means for this, but Armenia, why?

                  There are no funds available. All aviation, a few old Su-25s that cannot be used without suppressing air defense, and 4 Su-30s, which, according to the statements of the Armenians, they did not manage to master. And without air cover, what kind of work on the rear then? They tried SCUDs and Tornadoes, but without precise targeting, adjustments, skills, they managed only a couple of residential areas and that's it. And from this a lot of noise, but little sense. The Iskander might have given something, but again, without reconnaissance, without target designation ...
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  a .. there you go. they were not allowed .. it means that the regular army of Armenia in the NKR was allowed to fight, but they were not allowed to demolish the infrastructure of Azerbaijan. Well, what .. P-logic.
                  seriously! what kind of nonsense are you composing?

                  Regular army of Armenia, with all its desire, will not suit anything, for which they will then blow up the nuclear power plant. And the Iskandars can. So they could politely tell both parties not to flirt. In fact, there are no strikes against Armenia either.
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  when? in the middle of the last century? come back to reality! in the last century it was impossible to break the defense without heavy artillery. today the infantry has the means to suppress such fortifications. look in the internet for a video of what portable missile systems with fortifications are doing. in Afghanistan, our Tara-Bora assault groups were suppressed in a week without heavy artillery, with assault groups. but if on a stupid thing, yes .. the United States knocked out his own month.

                  Please, give me an example of specific weapons that the Azerbaijani infantry possesses in significant numbers, and which can quickly open the belt of serious bunkers? Aside from heavy artillery, nothing comes to my mind. There are such systems, of course, but Azerbaijan has ... I doubt it. But even so, they would have to go and fight. And so they just put several thousand people and half of the Armenian equipment from drones without risking anything.
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  is this an application for the title of "fortification expert"?
                  why the Azerbaijanis with the capture of Shushi again crumpled once the Armenian proxies do not know how to drip?

                  No, that's just my opinion. Based on dozens of videos of trenches, half a meter deep and in straight lines ... As for Shushi - mountains, the last line on which good forces are sitting, what no air defense, the Azerbaijani army is not able to fight in a contact battle ... There are many factors. In the end, they will take another in a week, most likely, but not cheap.
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  that's how it works in Armenia. We're talking about NCR, right?

                  Where did NKR C300 get that? So mediocrely lost due to the lack of basic cover? Yes, and the OTRK in Armenia was demolished by the Azerbaijanis. Where was that air defense?
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  what I am writing to you. All these show-offs with drones, for some reason, do not at all lead to the solution of tactical and strategic tasks of the videos, they filmed, and even approximately did not complete the task of restoring control over their territory. but got stuck in positional battles.

                  And when did I write to you that Azerbaijanis know how to fight? I wrote that the Armenians relaxed and grabbed it. If Azerbaijanis knew how to fight, they would have to cope with such a difference in equipment in a week, albeit with losses, remember 2008. However, they do not know how, therefore, UAVs do not help, and even an enemy who does not know how to fight.
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  whose? Azerbaijani statements? Where? in the Azerbaijani media ??? Seriously? is this your representative source? If you undertook to relay this nonsense, then I have a question for you - which parts of the regular army of Armenia are fighting there and where?

                  No, I take data from both sides. If Armenia has nothing to do with it, why does the Armenian Foreign Ministry sign the ceasefire three times? And the Armenian prime minister is raving about the war? And the Armenian Ministry of Defense reports on losses and victories. And what's wrong with the fact that the Armenians openly participate? Well, they fight and fight, their business. Just talking about the NKR and the war with Azerbaijan is the same as talking about the DPR and the war with Ukraine. Have you made a mess of Ukrainians? Sure. DPR? Sure. Well, and a few more absolutely peaceful Soviet citizens ... It makes sense to spread this diplomacy in the media, but not in the discussion.
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 2 November 2020 19: 36 New
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                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    You will decide. Armenia has nothing to do with it, or are you being squeezed out of the controlled territories?

                    yes I have already decided wink I am writing "Armenian proxies" to you in plain text in Russian. What's not clear? request
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    There are no funds available. All aviation, a few old Su-25s that cannot be used without suppressing air defense, and 4 Su-30s, which, according to the statements of the Armenians, they did not manage to master.
                    well, nonsense! it is obvious that Armenia does not want to enter into a direct conflict with Azerbaijan, like Azerbaijan, by the way, and all these stories about the Su-30 do not fly because the pilot left for his sister's wedding, and two countries that have been at knives for 20 years where someone has important infrastructure facilities, this is somehow in favor of the poor.
                    over there the Houthis in rubber slippers unfigged an oil plant covered by an air defense system, and then some invented difficulties ...
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Regular army of Armenia, with all its desire, will not arrange anything, for which they will then blow up the nuclear power plant.

                    blow up a nuclear power plant? belay so that later with the Armenians, together in the zone of infection, to cook? geniuses! GE NOR AND !!! lol
                    Did you read about such brilliant plans from Azerbaijanis? cooler only Ukrainian patriots who offered to blow up their nuclear power plant so that the Russians were bad wassat
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Please, give me an example of specific weapons that the Azerbaijani infantry possesses in significant numbers, and which can quickly open the belt of serious bunkers?

                    RPG-7. has a wide range of ammunition, including cumulative ammunition capable of penetrating up to 2m of concrete and thermobaric.
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    And the Iskandars can. So they could politely tell both parties not to flirt. In fact, there are no strikes against Armenia either.

                    Duc even know when. after Azerbaijan fired Iskander on the territory of Armenia, and the Armenians in response settled in the territory of Azerbaijan. after that Shoigu contacted them and talked with the commanders of both sides. no shelling yet request
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Where did NKR C300 get that? So mediocrely lost due to the lack of basic cover?
                    1 PU of the last century with a radar of the last century. do you want to say that this is the air defense of Armenia? and what would have changed if they were covered by the Wasp, which is typical, also of the last century? request
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Yes, and the OTRK in Armenia was demolished by the Azerbaijanis. Where was that air defense?

                    apparently in the same place as our air defense on June 22, 1941. Armenians did not expect Azerbaijan to hit the territory of Armenia request
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    If the Azerbaijanis knew how to fight, they would have to cope with such a difference in equipment in a week, albeit with losses, remember 2008.

                    but at the same time, do not forget about Zen-Bien-Fu, where the French had total superiority in everything, complete air control, elite SS units in a foreign legion, the best generals and still lost yes
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    If Armenia has nothing to do with it, why does the Armenian Foreign Ministry sign the ceasefire three times?

                    but where did I write that Armenia has nothing to do with ?? I clearly wrote that there are Armenian proxies and, of course, they support them with both volunteers and weapons. I wrote that there are no regular units of the Armed Forces of Armenia and you have not cited facts of the opposite request
                  2. Oleg123219307
                    Oleg123219307 2 November 2020 23: 26 New
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                    Quote: SanichSan
                    Yes, I made up my mind a long time ago, I am writing "Armenian proxies" to you in plain text in Russian. What's not clear?

                    Something like that there seems to be the same number of proxies as the payroll of the Armenian Armed Forces ...
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    well, nonsense! it is obvious that Armenia does not want to enter into a direct conflict with Azerbaijan,

                    Well, taking into account the fact that in such a conflict without our help they brightly shine a complete defeat with subsequent genocide, nothing surprising. For if Armenia declares war on Azerbaijan, it will automatically do 3 things - it will give us a reason not to interfere, declare itself an aggressor and untie the hands of the Turks. They are not complete idiots to do that.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    like Azerbaijan, by the way, and all these stories about the Su-30 not flying due to the fact that the pilot left for his sister's wedding, and two countries that have been at knives for 20 years now do not know where anyone has important infrastructure facilities, it's all somehow in favor of the poor.
                    over there the Houthis in rubber slippers unfigged an oil plant covered by an air defense system, and then some invented difficulties ...
                    Well, about the Su-30, I think the proud Armenian guys are just afraid to take off. The chance is too great to catch a couple of missiles from the F-16, from Turkey, but you cannot answer. So they don't want to ruin themselves and ruin cars, more than 4 pieces of weather can not be done. As for the Houthis in flip flops, it all smells like Iran. And their UAVs, and the CD, and the beneficiaries they are ... Well, the fact that Iranian proxies with normal equipment shod the air defense of the Arabs - it's not surprising. As for my initial thesis - 4 Su-30s and Iskander heels without reconnaissance will not deprive the enemy of logistical support, even if they are used in full. But you won't have to wait long for an answer, and they are not doing well anyway. So they do not risk it.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    blow up a nuclear power plant? so that later with the Armenians, together in the zone of infection, to cook? geniuses! GE NOR AND !!!
                    Did you read about such brilliant plans from Azerbaijanis? cooler only Ukrainian patriots who offered to blow up their nuclear power plant so that the Russians were bad

                    It was not me who said it, it was the Azerbaijanis who said it. The Armenians threatened them to blow up the dam, and they responded with the nuclear power plant, even in the summer ... Brains are brains on both sides.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    RPG-7. has a wide range of ammunition, including cumulative ammunition capable of penetrating up to 2m of concrete and thermobaric.

                    Uh-huh. Only these are different shells. If the thermobaric exploded inside, then yes, but only it will not get inside, it does not penetrate 2 meters, and the cumulative one that penetrates, it does not do much harm inside. The bunker is not a tank, there is more space, ammo is below ground level, there is no vulnerable engine / chassis. Over time, of course, they pick it up, but very much with a lot of time.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    Duc even know when. after Azerbaijan fired Iskander on the territory of Armenia, and the Armenians in response settled in the territory of Azerbaijan. after that Shoigu contacted them and talked with the commanders of both sides. no shelling yet

                    What I'm talking about. This war has many external constraints.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    1 PU of the last century with a radar of the last century. do you want to say that this is the air defense of Armenia? and what would have changed if they were covered by the Wasp, which is typical, also of the last century?

                    If this old PU with the old radar even worked, not a single bayraktar would stick in there. However, no. The wasp is not a wasp, but a couple of fighters with MANPADS could cover from loitering ammunition. They might not have covered it. But in fact, there were no attempts to resist. But besides wasps there are Torahs ... Well, according to the documents, at least there should be.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    apparently in the same place as our air defense on June 22, 1941. Armenians did not expect Azerbaijan to hit the territory of Armenia

                    Well, on the 20th day of the war with an air superior enemy, having already shot down drones twice over their territory, not wait for a strike? Especially on the position of the OTRK ready for a salvo? Stupidity or optimism?
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    but at the same time, do not forget about Zen-Bien-Fu, where the French had total superiority in everything, complete air control, elite SS units in a foreign legion, the best generals and still lost

                    Total superiority. Total. 15 thousand to 80. You can turn around ... It's not so sad here.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    but where did I write that Armenia has nothing to do with ?? I clearly wrote that there are Armenian proxies and, of course, they support them with both volunteers and weapons. I wrote that there are no regular units of the Armed Forces of Armenia and you have not cited facts of the opposite

                    And they have to walk there with posters? Whose flags? Armenia. Whose people? Armenia. Whose technique? Armenia. The quantitative composition of the forces is more than 2/3 of the entire Armenian army. Not a damn proxy. It's as if we drove a 600-strong group to the DPR ...
                  3. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 3 November 2020 00: 46 New
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                    well, finally we understand what we are talking about good drinks from "I told him about Thomas and he told me about Eremu" laughing
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Something like that there seems to be the same number of proxies as the payroll of the Armenian Armed Forces ...

                    yes, not a little. they really do not want to give, and considering what they did with the Azerbaijanis in the 90s, the Azerbaijanis will not stand on ceremony with the locals ...
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    For if Armenia declares war on Azerbaijan, it will automatically do 3 things - it will give us a reason not to interfere, declare itself an aggressor and untie the hands of the Turks. They are not complete idiots to do that.

                    right. but Azerbaijan is not in the best conditions either. if they declare war, they will fall under the distribution along with the Turks, and if the Turks have a reserve of strength for sanctions, then I'm not sure about Azerbaijan ...
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    As for the Houthis in flip flops, it all smells like Iran.
                    by the way! something we completely forgot about this participant in the events. wink Iran, by the way, is not a friend of Turkey at all, I would even say the opposite. expanding Turkey's influence on their borders is the last thing they want. meanwhile, the supply lines of the Azerbaijani army pass just near the borders of Iran. if Iran intervenes, which is hypothetically possible, then the situation changes by 180 degrees request
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    As for my initial thesis - 4 Su-30s and Iskander heels without reconnaissance will not deprive the enemy of logistical support, even if they are used in full.

                    I agree. But is this required of them? the same dryers have every opportunity to clean the sky, which can allow the concentration of forces and the application of a counterattack. expect that 4 Su-30s will destroy the entire rear of the Azerbaijani army ... I have never seen this even in the fantasies of Armenians wassat
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    But you won't have to wait long for an answer, and they are not doing well anyway.

                    what answer is that? which will destroy the entire rear of the Armenians? since Azerbaijan does not have it, it would long ago have crushed the rear and successfully completed the operation.
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Uh-huh. Only these are different shells. If the thermobaric exploded inside, then yes, but only it will not get inside, it does not penetrate 2 meters, and the cumulative one that penetrates, it does not do much harm inside.

                    of course different. get the same thermobaric in the embrasure area and I can assure you that those who are in the pillbox for a fair amount of time will be carried away by the question "what to do in case of a shell shock." about the cumulative you are wrong again. when it hits, the broads from the inside are not much less than the broads from the outside, and being wounded by pieces of concrete is not the most pleasant thing.
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    If this old PU with the old radar even worked, not a single bayraktar would stick in there.

                    here this question was examined. radar and launchers of the first series. they are not geared towards drone-sized targets. a helicopter or an airplane, yes, and the UAVs are too small for them. so these 6 Wasps (the NKR militia included 6 Wasps officially. before the kipesh) and 1 S-300 (again, officially with the NKR even before the war) the UAV will not be stopped in any way, which is what happened. But in the Armenian army, the Wasps are already fresher, like the S-300, and there I would not have been so sure of the effectiveness of the UAV.
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Well, on the 20th day of the war with an air superior enemy, having already shot down drones twice over their territory, not wait for a strike? Especially on the position of the OTRK ready for a salvo? Stupidity or optimism?
                    Duc not in Karabakh. on their territory. of course not. I have here, in St. Petersburg, the Armenians in the market, too, do not dig dugouts and do not look around the sky with caution request
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Total superiority. Total. 15 thousand to 80. You can turn out ...

                    Well, they were waiting for about 30 of which half are porters. in the end there were about 80 of which more than half were porters. request and by the way, not long before that, with the same hands, the Vietnamese were completely split wink
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    And they have to walk there with posters? Whose flags? Armenia. Whose people? Armenia. Whose technique? Armenia. The quantitative composition of the forces is more than 2/3 of the entire Armenian army.

                    Well, we put the equipment there even before the start of the hot phase, and even Azerbaijan does not stutter about the transfer of such divisions to Armenia request so it is legally an NKR technique. yes, and the air defense ended on 6 Wasps, which were already part of the NKR militia and, which is typical, 178 Armenian Wasps and 5 S-300 divisions did not appear there request
                  4. Oleg123219307
                    Oleg123219307 3 November 2020 08: 00 New
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                    Quote: SanichSan
                    yes, not a little. they really do not want to give, and considering what they did with the Azerbaijanis in the 90s, the Azerbaijanis will not stand on ceremony with the locals ...

                    They want it, they don't want it, but it will have to. Too big a hole was gouged out in the south. It was not worth letting the enemy 5-7 km to the capital.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    right. but Azerbaijan is not in the best conditions either. if they declare war, they will fall under the distribution along with the Turks, and if the Turks have a reserve of strength for sanctions, then I'm not sure about Azerbaijan ...

                    And why does Azerbaijan need it? Perhaps for the corridor to Nakhichevan, but in general you can survive without it. And all the other advantages of an unlimited war do not even close outweigh the risks, especially given the influence of the Armenian lobby in the world.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    by the way! something we completely forgot about this participant in the events. Iran, by the way, is not a friend of Turkey at all, I would even say the opposite. expanding Turkey's influence on their borders is the last thing they want. meanwhile, the supply lines of the Azerbaijani army pass just near the borders of Iran. if Iran intervenes, which is hypothetically possible, then the situation changes by 180 degrees

                    So Yes. Only now Iran and our base there are also not happy. And don't forget about the religious aspects. East ... There is such a tangle of interests and contradictions that sometimes you cannot figure it out without a bottle.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    I agree. But is this required of them? the same dryers have every opportunity to clean the sky, which can allow the concentration of forces and the application of a counterattack. expect that 4 Su-30s will destroy the entire rear of the Azerbaijani army ... I have never seen this even in the fantasies of Armenians

                    We talked about the capabilities of the parties to attack rear communications. In this context, these 4 dryers are nothing. If we talk about air defense, then the conversation is completely different. I myself was here a week ago, foaming at the mouth and numbers, proving that 4 dryers would have planted everything there, or at least most of the UAVs. It was during that dispute that I was thrown off the statement of the Minister of Defense of Armenia that they said they had not mastered drying.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    what answer is that? which will destroy the entire rear of the Armenians? since Azerbaijan does not have it, it would long ago have crushed the rear and successfully completed the operation.

                    That is, to demolish the air defense with anti-radar missiles, and they have them, and continue to iron them from the air with aviation and UAVs, that's just what we did with them. Would you predict? There are a lot of options, depending on the mood of Putin and the integrity of the 102 base, from expressing concern to the capture of Baku. It seems they simply did not risk it.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    of course different. get the same thermobaric in the embrasure area and I can assure you that those who are in the pillbox for a fair amount of time will be carried away by the question "what to do in case of a shell shock." about the cumulative you are wrong again. when it hits, the broads from the inside are not much less than the broads from the outside, and being wounded by pieces of concrete is not the most pleasant thing.

                    Look at the diagrams of serious bunkers of the Second World War. Separate firing points, curved corridors with sharp corners cutting the shock wave, up to a dozen internal pressurized doors, autonomous power supply ... Well, a bunker is not just a piece of concrete with a hole. It is unrealistic for thermobaric ones to get into a spot of 5-7 cm from a distance of more than 100 meters, and cumulative ones will have to spend more than one hundred, especially considering the possibility of sheltering on the lower floors. Once again - I'm not saying that this is a panacea. In the end, they will drag artillery / OTRK / aircraft with an anti-bunker bomb, and pick them open, but this is better than several thousand dead bodies covered by UAVs and MLRSs in an open field.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    here this question was examined. radar and launchers of the first series. they are not geared towards drone-sized targets. a helicopter or an airplane, yes, and the UAVs are too small for them. so these 6 Wasps (the NKR militia included 6 Wasps officially. before the kipesh) and 1 S-300 (again, officially with the NKR even before the war) the UAV will not be stopped in any way, which is what happened. But in the Armenian army, the Wasps are already fresher, like the S-300, and there I would not have been so sure of the effectiveness of the UAV.

                    Bayraktar is the size of a good attack aircraft. The radar should see it even in old series. As for the little things like kamikaze - there are no Bukov and Torov (although according to the documents they should be), plant at least 2-3 patrols of 3 fighters each - with binoculars, MANPADS and a walkie-talkie. They may not save them, but at least they will warn you and run away. Well, about the intelligence and tactics of people who dragged the strategic air defense complex without cover to the front line, I generally keep quiet.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    Duc not in Karabakh. on their territory. of course not. I have here, in St. Petersburg, the Armenians in the market, too, do not dig dugouts and do not look around the sky with caution

                    So they had already shot down over their territory by that time. They don't look around in St. Petersburg, because we have a nuclear club and no one in a nightmare will dream of attacking us, and if he does, then let Uncle Petya then figure out who was right in heaven. But the territory of Armenia is protected from attack by only a couple of pieces of paper with squiggles ... I would not behave so carelessly in the place of their anti-aircraft gunners.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    Well, they were waiting for about 30 of which half are porters. in the end there were about 80 of which more than half were porters. and by the way, not long before that, with the same hands, the Vietnamese were completely split

                    Typical intelligence puncture. Plus I don't understand what the example is for? Here we are talking about two more or less equal opponents, and in the example, quite the opposite.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    Well, let's put the equipment there before the start of the hot phase, and even Azerbaijan does not stutter about the transfer of such divisions to Armenia, so legally this is the NKR technique. yes, and the air defense ended on 6 Wasps, which were already part of the NKR militia and, which is typical, 178 Armenian Wasps and 5 S-300 divisions did not appear there

                    Why don’t you tell me?
                  5. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 3 November 2020 17: 36 New
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                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    They want it, they don't want it, but it will have to. Too big a hole was gouged out in the south. It was not worth letting the enemy 5-7 km to the capital.

                    here, rather, the point is that Armenia has not brought its army there, that is, technology, and the NKR technology, which was already not much, is already running out. with a machine gun against the UAV, somehow request
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    That is, to demolish the air defense with anti-radar missiles, and they have them, and continue to iron them from the air with aviation and UAVs, that's just what we did with them. Would you predict? There are a lot of options, depending on the mood of Putin and the integrity of the 102 base, from expressing concern to the capture of Baku. It seems they simply did not risk it.

                    I agree, but in my opinion the reason is different. It is one thing to iron the NKR militia and quite another to butt with the regular waxes of Armenia. Armenia's opportunities in the NKR are severely limited for political reasons, while Azerbaijan is completely free to use force, but if you cross the line and start a full-scale war with Armenia, then there will be big problems without Putin, given how Azerbaijanis got stuck with the NKR.
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Look at the diagrams of serious bunkers of the Second World War.

                    in in. and where are these pillboxes? read about the storming of the Finnish fortifications in 1939, about the storming of the Mazheno line in 1940, about how the Germans stormed the Stalin line, how the Americans broke through the Siegfried line, how ours took Koenigsberg and Poznan. by the way, in Poznan one of the forts was stormed by a reconnaissance group wink read about the actions of the assault groups, what it is and what it is intended for, how they operate. even in the last century, it became clear that the offensive cannot be stopped in concrete boxes request
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    It is unrealistic to get thermobaric into a spot of 5-7 cm from a distance of more than 100 meters

                    what for? if the thermobaric one explodes 2-3 meters in front of the embrasure, then the one who was at the machine gun must be carried to the medical unit with a concussion, smoked face and eyes, or to the morgue request
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    and the cumulative ones will have to spend more than one hundred, especially considering the possibility of sheltering on the lower floors.

                    I'll ask again why ??? one hit is enough. those in the pillbox, even if they were not killed, will try to hide from there in a safe place. while they left the firing point, what do you think will happen outside? right! an assault group with engineers will go to the pillbox and will blast engineering charges at the pillbox by 300 kilograms in TNT equivalent, leveling this misunderstanding to the ground and burying the defenders "on the lower floors." or, like the Germans on Stalin's line, throw a smoke bomb into the embrasure and wait until everyone suffocates. or how the Americans will weld the door with an autogenous agent, start pouring gasoline into the ventilation and negotiate in the style of "well, give up or are we setting fire to it?"
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Bayraktar is the size of a good attack aircraft. The radar should see it even in old series.

                    I beg of you! bully maximum with a cruise missile, and there is air defense and not missile defense.
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    As for the little things like kamikaze - there are no Bukov and Torov (although according to the documents there should be), plant at least 2-3 patrols of 3 fighters each - with binoculars, MANPADS and a radio.

                    Duc they are. only in Armenia, not in the NKR. and shooting down such a drone from MANPADS is not an idea. takes longer to aim than the drone to fly to the target. here 23x2 are more suitable. I saw the Army at the 2018 exhibition. and the sights are decent and radar guidance and can be mounted on the shaitanarba. considering that they were on display for mere mortals, for a long time in the series and for export. both Armenians and Azerbaijanis should have.
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    So they had already shot down over their territory by that time. They don't look around in St. Petersburg, because we have a nuclear club and no one in a nightmare will dream of attacking us, and if he does, then let Uncle Petya then figure out who was right in heaven. But the territory of Armenia is protected from attack by only a couple of pieces of paper with squiggles ... I would not behave so carelessly in the place of their anti-aircraft gunners.
                    this is all an afterthought. now it is clear, but then it was not at all obvious. in addition, it was an excellent reason to drag the Russian Federation into the conflict. they say won what! they banged right across our territory! urinate them !!! but Russia for some reason did not appreciate the efforts spent on provocation. Shoigu handed out a slap on the back of the head, and the incident ended there. request
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Typical intelligence puncture.

                    there is intelligence and logistics and the choice of the very place for the general battle. little by little, and eventually a failure.
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Plus I don't understand what the example is for? Here we are talking about two more or less equal opponents, and in the example, quite the opposite.

                    where is the NKR equal to the armies of Azerbaijan? I seem to have shown in numbers that the Armenian equipment was not included in Karabakh. all that Azerbaijan demonstrates as trophies was the NKR militia before the conflict and there are no Armenian equipment among the trophies request
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Why don’t you tell me?

                    As far as I can judge from the available facts, Pashenian Armenia was clearly told that if they enter the territory of Azerbaijan, and Karabakh is officially the territory of Azerbaijan, they will not receive any support, and maybe even vice versa. and it seems that Azerbaijan was also told that if you do not climb into the territory of Armenia, then do whatever you want.
                    besides, both countries understand that they are frustrated even if they win a full-scale war. Suppose they clashed and Azerbaijan won, what will they get? a crushed housekeeper, an empty budget and a bunch of loans that will only grow request good neighbors will take care of them here wink in the case of Armenia's victory, everything is the same. do they need it?
                  6. Oleg123219307
                    Oleg123219307 3 November 2020 20: 14 New
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                    Quote: SanichSan
                    here, rather, the point is that Armenia has not brought its army there, that is, technology, and the NKR technology, which was already not much, is already running out. with a machine gun against the UAV, somehow

                    Does Armenia have that technique? Or has it been handed over to the NKR in parts over the past month and burned at the front? I looked at open data on the strength and technology of their army. Officially or not, but almost such forces are involved there.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    It is one thing to iron the NKR militia and quite another to butt with the regular waxes of Armenia. Armenia's opportunities in the NKR are severely limited for political reasons, while Azerbaijan is completely free to use force, but if you cross the line and start a full-scale war with Armenia, then there will be big problems without Putin, given how Azerbaijanis got stuck with the NKR.

                    Well, in this case they have a large reserve - Turkey. If ours withdraw, then the Turks of that Armenia for a week, the forces are incomparable. So I think the limiters work here on both sides.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    read about the storming of the Finnish fortifications in 1939, about the storming of the Mazheno line in 1940, about how the Germans stormed the Stalin line, how the Americans broke through the Siegfried line, how ours took Koenigsberg and Poznan. By the way, in Poznan one of the forts was stormed by a reconnaissance group, read about the actions of the assault groups, what it is and what it is intended for, how they operate. even in the last century, it became clear that the offensive cannot be stopped in concrete boxes

                    I know the story. And I'm not saying that pillboxes are a panacea if the enemy has already come and is walking around on foot. But pillboxes would save 100% from UAVs. And these are the main losses. If there is no normal air defense, then this is the way out. Without UAVs and aviation, in the 90s Azerbaijan lost with a bang, there are no warriors on the ground. And in this particular situation, normal fortification would help, if not stop, then delay the enemy for months and triple his losses.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    what for? if the thermobaric one explodes 2-3 meters in front of the embrasure, then the one who was at the machine gun must be carried to the medical unit with a concussion, smoked face and eyes, or to the morgue

                    Total - 1 shell 1 fighter in the worst case. And the same land mine from the bayraktar on an infantry group in the field? 1 in 20? What about the truck? 1 in 50? That's why they fail.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    I'll ask again why ??? one hit is enough. those in the pillbox, even if they were not killed, will try to hide from there in a safe place. while they left the firing point, what do you think will happen outside? right! an assault group with engineers will go to the pillbox and will blast engineering charges at the pillbox by 300 kilograms in TNT equivalent, leveling this misunderstanding to the ground and burying the defenders "on the lower floors." or, like the Germans on Stalin's line, throw a smoke bomb into the embrasure and wait until everyone suffocates. or how the Americans will weld the door with an autogenous agent, start pouring gasoline into the ventilation and negotiate in the style of "well, give up or are we setting fire to it?"

                    Did you now equalize the Germans with the Azerbaijanis in fighting spirit and ability to fight? I think it was bai wai the pillbox is shooting kill her big rocket, otherwise I'm afraid to get out of the trench ...
                    Quote: SanichSan

                    I beg of you! maximum with a cruise missile, and there is air defense and not missile defense.

                    Look at performance characteristics. It is comparable to drying 25 in size, just a little smaller. With CD the size of kammikaze, but about them is a separate conversation, it's expensive to spend them on each tank.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    Duc they are. only in Armenia, not in the NKR. and shooting down such a drone from MANPADS is not an idea. takes longer to aim than the drone to fly to the target. here 23x2 are more suitable. I saw the Army at the 2018 exhibition. and the sights are decent and radar guidance and can be mounted on the shaitanarba. considering that they were on display for mere mortals, for a long time in the series and for export. both Armenians and Azerbaijanis should have.

                    There, such superwar wars are fought on both sides, which is surprising how they did not shoot themselves ... And you mean high.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    this is all an afterthought. now it is clear, but then it was not at all obvious. in addition, it was an excellent reason to drag the Russian Federation into the conflict. they say won what! they banged right across our territory! urinate them !!! but Russia for some reason did not appreciate the efforts spent on provocation. Shoigu handed out a slap on the back of the head, and the incident ended there.

                    This is more believable. But this is bestiality, for the guys died there. If they could shoot down but didn’t do it for political reasons, I’d think if I were their soldier ...
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    where is the NKR equal to the armies of Azerbaijan? I seem to have shown in numbers that the Armenian equipment was not included in Karabakh. all that Azerbaijan demonstrates as trophies was the NKR militia before the conflict and there are no Armenian equipment among the trophies

                    Mountains, defense advantage, comparable technical equipment ... The ratio of 1 to 4 can be considered conditionally equal. What is it really difficult to say, I do not believe in the absence of the Armenian army even unofficially.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    As far as I can judge from the available facts, Pashenian Armenia was clearly told that if they enter the territory of Azerbaijan, and Karabakh is officially the territory of Azerbaijan, they will not receive any support, and maybe even vice versa. and it seems that Azerbaijan was also told that if you do not climb into the territory of Armenia, then do whatever you want.
                    besides, both countries understand that they are frustrated even if they win a full-scale war. Suppose they clashed and Azerbaijan won, what will they get? a crushed economy, an empty budget and a bunch of loans that will only grow here, then they will be taken care of by good neighbors in the event of a victory for Armenia, everything is the same. do they need it?

                    Why then flounder? Initially, the NKR had no chances in your scenario for a very simple reason - they have no money, no military-industrial complex to make up for the losses, and without Armenia in any more or less prolonged conflict with a country, all of which has a bright defeat. So why kill people?
                  7. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 3 November 2020 20: 53 New
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                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Look at performance characteristics. It is comparable to drying 25 in size, just a little smaller.

                    looked and recommend it to you. wink in the wiki a good photo with the developers. this is a figurine as tall as an egg and with a fuselage smaller than a tomahawk, and in the Su-25 the pilot will climb the stairs yes Bayraktar is 5 times less.
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Mountains, defense advantage, comparable technical equipment ... The ratio of 1 to 4 can be considered conditionally equal. What is it really difficult to say, I do not believe in the absence of the Armenian army even unofficially.
                    there is definitely manpower, but there is no technology for the campaign. NKR had everything that Azerbaijan presented.
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Why then flounder? Initially, the NKR had no chances in your scenario for a very simple reason - they have no money, no military-industrial complex to make up for the losses, and without Armenia in any more or less prolonged conflict with a country, all of which has a bright defeat. So why kill people?

                    there was, and still is, the hope of including the Russian Federation in this. and so yes, chances are zero. just drag out the fighting and "think of something out there" request
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    So why kill people?

                    and what, just like that, take and give back what was mined in the 90s? for reasons of humanism ??? belay when was that ???
                  8. Oleg123219307
                    Oleg123219307 3 November 2020 21: 38 New
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                    Quote: SanichSan
                    looked and recommend it to you. in the wiki a good photo with the developers. This is a figurine as tall as an egg and with a fuselage smaller than a tomahawk, and in the Su-25, the pilot will climb the stairs by Bayraktar 5 times less.

                    The wing span by half a meter differs from 25 drying, the length is twice, the area is almost the same ... RCS is hardly orders of magnitude different.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    there is definitely manpower, but there is no technology for the campaign. NKR had everything that Azerbaijan presented.

                    And everything that is shown in the video with the destruction from the air?
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    there was, and still is, the hope of including the Russian Federation in this. and so yes, chances are zero. just drag out the fighting and "think of something out there"

                    So if Armenia is not officially there, they do not even recognize the NKR, no one threatens us there, and in Armenia itself it is not at all a pro-Russian government, what is the reason for us to interfere? And they'll just come up with it, we are to blame. Well, maybe they will tear Pashinyan apart, but they will still appoint us as the main guilty ones.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    and what, just like that, take and give back what was mined in the 90s? for reasons of humanism ??? when was that ???

                    War makes sense when there is at least a chance of winning, or there is no way out. They have no chance and there is a way out.
                  9. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 3 November 2020 22: 13 New
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                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    The wing span by half a meter differs from 25 drying, the length is twice, the area is almost the same ... RCS is hardly orders of magnitude different.

                    Well, I won't say for the order, but at times for sure yes
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    And everything that is shown in the video with the destruction from the air?

                    and what is shown? trucks? so them and on the farm dofiga. Wasps? 4. 2 still ride somewhere. C300 with radar? 1.Tanks and armored vehicles have not been seen for a long time. 2 Tornadoes? was it not in NKR? wink the rest are guns and soldiers in the trenches. what of this can only the Armed Forces of Armenia have?
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    So if Armenia is not officially there, They don't even recognize the NKR, no one threatens us there, and in Armenia itself it is not at all a pro-Russian government, what is the reason for us to climb that? And they'll just come up with it, we are to blame. Well, maybe they will tear Pashinyan, but they will still appoint us as the main guilty.

                    actually even more fun. not just not recognized, but recognized as the territory of Azerbaijan!
                    here, in accordance with the reasons you described, we are not going there, but if Armenia manages to drag Azerbaijan into its territory, then in accordance with the obligations in the CSTO, we will have to do something.
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    War makes sense when there is at least a chance of winning, or there is no way out. They have no chance and there is a way out.

                    there is a chance. UAVs of course fly and shoot something there, but these are pinpoint operations. rather a publicity stunt. as an example, in history there are snipers with 500 or more victories, but none of them played a key role in a military operation, even of a medium scale. breaking through echeloned defenses with precision-guided ammunition from a UAV is the same as bombing with gold bars. even the United States does not pull this, let alone Azerbaijan. so there is a chance. beat off at least half. besides, Azerbaijan demonstrates the inexperience of the army and has already failed the blitzkrieg. next who will play better in positional. I wrote that the Armenians had no heavy equipment left there and assumed that this was a failure, but let's look at the theater of operations. this mountainous area is very problematic for the use of heavy equipment. so that forced to reconsider my findings... Azerbaijan took the plateau and is likely to keep it, but in the highlands, their prospects are not so obvious.
                  10. Oleg123219307
                    Oleg123219307 3 November 2020 23: 18 New
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                    Quote: SanichSan
                    Well, I won't say for the order, but at times for sure

                    Even the old C300 should see it. The calculation there was also on the CD, and they fly smaller, faster and lower.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    and what is shown? trucks? so them and on the farm dofiga. Wasps? 4. 2 still ride somewhere. C300 with radar? 1.Tanks and armored vehicles have not been seen for a long time. 2 Tornadoes? was it not in NKR? the rest are guns and soldiers in the trenches. what of this can only the Armed Forces of Armenia have?

                    I don’t remember everything now, but they burned a lot of tanks and armored vehicles, and it seems that they wrote 2 Torah, but I myself have not seen the video.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    actually even more fun. not just not recognized, but recognized as the territory of Azerbaijan!
                    here, in accordance with the reasons you described, we are not going there, but if Armenia manages to drag Azerbaijan into its territory, then in accordance with the obligations in the CSTO, we will have to do something.

                    May they not climb. The risk isn't worth it. And without that, kirdyk to the Armenians in Karabakh ...
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    exit. They have no chance and there is a way out.

                    there is a chance. UAVs of course fly and shoot something there, but these are pinpoint operations. rather a publicity stunt. as an example, in history there are snipers with 500 or more victories, but none of them played a key role in a military operation, even of a medium scale. breaking through echeloned defenses with precision-guided ammunition from a UAV is the same as bombing with gold bars. even the United States does not pull this, let alone Azerbaijan. so there is a chance. beat off at least half. besides, Azerbaijan demonstrates the inexperience of the army and has already failed the blitzkrieg. next who will play better in positional. I wrote that the Armenians had no heavy equipment left there and assumed that this was a failure, but let's take a look at the theater of operations. this mountainous area is very problematic for the use of heavy equipment. so I have to reconsider my conclusions. Azerbaijan took the plateau and is likely to keep it, but in the highlands, their prospects are not so obvious.

                    There are enough 2 roads to cut and mustache, ran back. Which they have already done practically. Will the Armenians fight a lot in the mountains in winter without supplies?
                  11. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 4 November 2020 00: 17 New
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                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Even the old C300 should see it. The calculation there was also on the CD, and they fly smaller, faster and lower.

                    one way or another that S-300 did not see him request as you remember, with the "competent" actions of the Syrian crew that went out to smoke, you can ditch the Shell wink
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    May they not climb. The risk isn't worth it. And without that, kirdyk to the Armenians in Karabakh ...

                    on their own initiative, of course, but on Iskander they were littered. the question is, to what extent did the conversation with Shoigu have a profound educational effect? bully
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    There are enough 2 roads to cut and mustache, ran back. Which they have already done practically.

                    Yes, that's just the point that has not yet been done. request
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Will the Armenians fight a lot in the mountains in winter without supplies?

                    hmmm .. let's think about it and turn to history. barmaley in Chechnya, 2 companies fought ... how many are there? about 5 years old? Of course, Armenians are not Chechens, but Azerbaijanis are not the RF Armed Forces either request besides, the local population there are Armenians, Azerbaijanis were kicked out for 20 years. Azerbaijanis or local people to commit genocide, and not in a metaphorical, but in a literal sense. or prepare for lingering problems.
                    and even this .. the NKR's equipment was knocked out and now nothing holds them for the land.

                    PS
                    don't you feel like you are texting with a schizophrenic? wassat because I used to heat it completely for the opposite laughing
                  12. Oleg123219307
                    Oleg123219307 4 November 2020 09: 08 New
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                    Quote: SanichSan
                    one way or another, that S-300 did not see it, as you remember, with the "competent" actions of the Syrian crew that went out to smoke, you can ditch the Armor

                    That's what I mean. Crooked hands can destroy any technique.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    on their own initiative, of course, but on Iskander they were littered. the question is, to what extent did the conversation with Shoigu have a profound educational effect?

                    Judging by the fact that after 2 large shelling of peaceful cities, they resisted and did not answer, the conversation was just right ...
                    Quote: SanichSan

                    Yes, that's just the point that has not yet been done.

                    Standing 5 km from them? One day someone will tell them what a large-caliber mortar is, and how to use it to control the road at such a distance.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    hmmm .. let's think about it and turn to history. barmaley in Chechnya, 2 companies fought ... how many are there? about 5 years old? Of course, Armenians are not Chechens, but Azerbaijanis are not the RF Armed Forces either

                    And to what extent did they fight there both times? The first time to the point that, because of Boris B from London, we won in fact, signed the shameful Khasavyurt peace, which did not allow finishing off the remnants? So this is politics. And the second campaign ended sadly for them. And yes, Armenians are not Chechens. Those fought to the end, there was a moral factor and a religious one, and these. Surrender several key cities without a fight ...
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    besides, the local population there are Armenians, Azerbaijanis were kicked out for 20 years. Azerbaijanis or local people to commit genocide, and not in a metaphorical, but in a literal sense. or prepare for lingering problems.
                    and even this .. the NKR's equipment was knocked out and now nothing holds them for the land.

                    The local population has already bravely evacuated to Armenia for the most part. Pull out the remnants and close the border tightly, and there will be no problems.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    PS
                    don't you feel like you are texting with a schizophrenic? because I used to heat it completely for the opposite

                    We communicate, argue, think - this is normal ;-)
                  13. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 4 November 2020 20: 42 New
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                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    And to what extent did they fight there both times? The first time to the point that, because of Boris B from London, we won in fact, signed the shameful Khasavyurt peace, which did not allow finishing off the remnants? So this is politics. And the second campaign ended sadly for them. And yes, Armenians are not Chechens. Those fought to the end, there was a moral factor and a religious one, and these. Surrender several key cities without a fight ...

                    so that everything is clear above .. I'll start from here. hi
                    at the same time, we must not forget that behind Chechnya, literally across the border, there was no country ready to provide a continuous flow of manpower and weapons. there is Armenia, which Azerbaijan will not be allowed to touch request than it threatens I will write after the next quote.
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    The local population has already bravely evacuated to Armenia for the most part.
                    but how do you distinguish a local from a non-local? there are no Azerbaijanis left. and those who are there now - took off their uniforms, a T-shirt, sweatpants with sagging knees and sandals, and here's a local for you. request by day he is a sweet grape, and by night a vicious, armed apricot wassat
                    even if we assume that Azerbaijan will take large cities and go to the border, Armenia will easily turn this region into a "suitcase without a handle." the region is Azerbaijani, and it is impossible to conduct any large-scale production activity or resource extraction. they don't have their own Kadyrov, and they won't be allowed to arrange the Armenian genocide request to settle the Azerbaijanis there? honestly decide for yourself, would you go to live in Chechnya immediately after winning the second Chechen campaign, even if you were offered a house and land there?
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Push out the remnants and close the border tightly, and there will be no problems.

                    it was possible in 90, and now even for an attempt to crank it up, the world community will mix and eat with what. besides, it would be very pleasant for all Europeans to spoil the Turks, even if they are Azerbaijanis. wink
                    and even Trump could not close the border, with the US budget. and there the field is bare, and not mountains as in the NKR. in short, nothing will come of it.
                  14. Oleg123219307
                    Oleg123219307 5 November 2020 00: 56 New
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                    Quote: SanichSan
                    at the same time, we must not forget that behind Chechnya, literally across the border, there was no country ready to provide a continuous flow of manpower and weapons. there is Armenia, which Azerbaijan will not be allowed to touch

                    Many people helped the Chechens. And Azerbaijan, and Georgia, and Turkey and the Saudis ... It didn't help. Although, of course, not as brazenly as the Armenians.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    but how do you distinguish a local from a non-local? there are no Azerbaijanis left. and those who are there now - took off their uniforms, a T-shirt, sweatpants with sagging knees and sandals, and here's a local resident for you. by day he is a sweet grape, and by night a vicious, armed apricot

                    You live on these lands and have lived for the last 30 years - an enemy or a traitor. Mustache.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    even if we assume that Azerbaijan will take large cities and reach the border, Armenia will easily turn this region into a "suitcase without a handle."

                    If you play with such assumptions, then what prevents you from answering the same about the border regions of Armenia? A semi-guerrilla terror game that both can play, especially in the mountains.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    the region is Azerbaijani, and it is impossible to conduct any large-scale production activity or resource extraction. they don't have their own Kadyrov, and they won't be allowed to arrange the Armenian genocide

                    Why genocide? Evict and okay ...
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    honestly decide for yourself, would you go to live in Chechnya immediately after winning the second Chechen campaign, even if you were offered a house and land there?

                    No, but not out of fear, but simply because I have my own home and my own land. And I have been to Chechnya several times. Beautiful places. And as for people - people are like people. I have friends from there, and they are absolutely ordinary normal guys. Yes, its own culture and religion, but now the 21st century ... Everything is smoothed out.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    it was possible in 90, and now even for an attempt to crank it up, the world community will mix and eat with what.

                    And what has changed in the world community since the 90s? When was Yugoslavia reminded? They only intervene when it suits them. And this piece of mountains is of no interest to anyone.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    besides, it would be very pleasant for all Europeans to spoil the Turks, even if they are Azerbaijanis.

                    No, only Greeks and French. In the rest of Europe, the Turks have long been scored.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    and even Trump could not close the border, with the US budget. and there the field is bare, and not mountains as in the NKR. in short, nothing will come of it.

                    Trump is kind and humane. He builds walls ... And then there will be a principle - first we shoot, and then we figure it out. And violators will quickly decrease.
                  15. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 5 November 2020 13: 25 New
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                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    If you play with such assumptions, then what prevents you from answering the same about the border regions of Armenia? A semi-guerrilla terror game that both can play, especially in the mountains.

                    quite possible, but it will not change the concept of a "suitcase without a handle" request
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Why genocide? Evict and okay ...

                    in 2021? a very dubious plan.
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    And what has changed in the world community since the 90s? When was Yugoslavia reminded? They only intervene when it suits them. And this piece of mountains is of no interest to anyone.
                    has changed a lot. literally today it was reported about the arrest of one of the leaders of the Albanians, like a prime minister, on charges of war crimes and the beginning of criminal prosecution, not too much, the president of the Kosovo republic, on charges of war crimes. belay
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Trump is kind and humane. He builds walls ... And then there will be a principle - first we shoot, and then we figure it out. And violators will quickly decrease.

                    in the mountains??? I beg of you! laughing if it was possible even approximately, then we would not have left Afghanistan.
                    the only hope of Azerbaijanis is "Kadyrov" in the NKR, but there is not even something a bit similar request
  • Peter rybak
    Peter rybak 2 November 2020 15: 50 New
    +2
    I don’t understand categorically: if the Armenian army did not engage in hostilities, did not lose fighters, but is completely and completely in a good mood, then why the hell are you mobilizing your mothers, wives, sisters, daughters? Why was the general mobilization announced? Why do your millionaires form volunteer detachments if the regular army can be disguised as Karabakh separatists? After all, everyone's faces are the same and you can't tell which Armenian is from which side.
    Don't you want to admit that the Armed Forces of Armenia are being defeated in the war against Azerbaijan on the territory of Azerbaijan?
    Why are Russian soldiers guarding your borders? Because your own in the cauldron of war?
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 2 November 2020 17: 44 New
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      here we go...
      first, the most important thing!
      VO is a Russian site where русские, including me, and the rest of the Russian-speaking, and not only, the community discusses international and domestic events.
      it not Armenian resource, not azerbaijani, this is a Russian resource. remember?

      the second.
      stupid Azerbaijani propaganda is already sick of it. Leave all this baidu about "mothers, wives, sisters, daughters" on Azerbaijani resources. there is no need to drag this garbage here.

      third.
      here it is customary to argue their position. "The armed forces of Armenia are losing in the war against Azerbaijan on the territory of Azerbaijan" is not an argument, but stupid Azerbaijani propaganda that has little to do with reality.

      fourth.
      if you do not like the opinion of Russians about these events, then you can always go to the Azerbaijani resource and there joyfully shout "Uryam! We won all !!! 1". there are many of them and they will support you.

      all clear? bully
      1. Peter rybak
        Peter rybak 2 November 2020 19: 31 New
        +4
        I'm not sure if this is the opinion of the Russian. For Russian you write too illiterately, you use stylistic turns of the language incorrectly.
        And, judging by your aggressiveness and one-sided approach to events, you are an interested person. Otherwise, why resist and declare, contrary to the statements of the information services of one's own country, that the Armed Forces of Armenia do not participate in the war?
        This is, firstly. If you think that attracting women to combat units is a baida, the problem is yours.
        On the contrary, I express my opinion and repeat once again - any person, and even more so a man, is characterized by his actions.
        I remembered, I did not remember - do not tell me, stupid creature. I will say what I think and where I consider it necessary to say it. And I will speak objectively, based on the situation, from the material I read in the media and other components. Sorry if I am difficult to explain.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 2 November 2020 19: 52 New
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          Quote: Peter Rybak
          I will say what I think and where I consider it necessary to say it.

          in your aul? laughing
  • Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 2 November 2020 16: 30 New
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    SanichSan "what kind of money? What kind of air defense ??? in NKR or what? They wrote off something in Armenia and got it. Have you seen anything from the last century in air defense?"
    Nooo, Armenians were preparing for a past war and Azerbaijanis for a war of the 21st century.))) Do you have a sound comment.)))
  • Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 2 November 2020 16: 27 New
    +1
    oleg123219307 "As for the deadline, they will take Shusha within 10 days, and that's all. Then they will play for another month, but they won't fight much without supplies."
    Today 02.11.2020/10/10 say 1 days and Shusha will fall?))) Ok. If it does not fall in XNUMX days, I will remind you. If the Armenians stumble for XNUMX month and two weeks, let's say ... will this serve as an indicator of the worthlessness of your forecasts or not?))))
    oleg123219307 "Half of the territory has been lost, including 2/3 of strategic settlements."
    But this is complete game.))) Look at the map.)))
  • RUSS
    RUSS 1 November 2020 21: 33 New
    +4
    Quote: MTN
    When you run after 2 hares, you can't catch up with one. Armenians are in NATO training camp, then at the training camp in the CSTO.

    This is about the NKR army, not about the Armenian Armed Forces
    1. MTN
      MTN 1 November 2020 21: 53 New
      +6
      Quote: RUSS
      This is about the NKR army, not about the Armenian Armed Forces

      and do you believe it? in April 2016, when the Armenians lost, why did Serge kick out from the post of defense minister? In Karabakh, the same Armenians, all the same and all the same Armenians) with Armenian passports. And the technique is Armenian.
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 2 November 2020 01: 55 New
        -2
        Quote: MTN
        In Karabakh, the same Armenians, all the same and all the same Armenians)

        how do you like khokhlov peremoga? laughing
        in the NKR there is a militia, albeit one with heavy weapons. proxy. and you are already there as hell poking around despite the fact that Armenia cannot climb there with the army, since it is officially Azerbaijani territory.
        and now Azerbaijan, with the support of Turkey, has been unable to cope with Armenian proxies for a long time. is this a victory?
    2. Albay
      Albay 1 November 2020 22: 43 New
      +6
      There is no NKR army, this is the army of Armenia. Conscripts from Armenia, officers serve both there and there. This is a single organism.
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 2 November 2020 01: 57 New
        -1
        Quote: Albay
        There is no NKR army, this is the army of Armenia.

        what parts? numbers, official statements about sending troops. when was the war declared between Azerbaijan and Armenia?
        1. Peter rybak
          Peter rybak 2 November 2020 15: 58 New
          +3
          What numbers? What parts? What declaration of war? Your women are already being sent there, your honor. Are you definitely a Caucasian people? Do you really have pride? No need now to blame the Great Patriotic War, when in the USSR women took part in the war on an equal basis with men. It was a war against an aggressor, a war for the survival of the whole country. And here, according to you, the local militia is at war. And why does this militia need women from Armenia? There are no men left? I mean creatures of the opposite sex, because real men will not send their wives to war, but will gather in a crowd from Sochi, Krasnodar, Stavropol, Russian television and go to fight themselves.
  • three
    three 1 November 2020 21: 58 New
    +6
    Who is there to think? Maidan people like suckers, rodents or Balts? With shouts - "goodbye, Russia, will we panic now"? The Master is right - it is NOT ALLOWED to interfere, let them figure it out ... WE DO NOT OWN these empires, let's get busy, Mordovia, Far East, Psovoy (Were there any in Velikie Luki?) NATO is at the border, but how? Who could resist them? Stupidly there were not enough attendants, so let's now take care of ourselves, finally.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 1 November 2020 21: 03 New
    -1
    Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
    And the bottom line: we got a real war.

    They will get a real war if the hostilities are transferred to the territory of Armenia ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 1 November 2020 21: 53 New
      +8
      Quote: Lara Croft
      Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
      And the bottom line: we got a real war.

      They will get a real war if the hostilities are transferred to the territory of Armenia ...

      The Azerbaijanis have enough intelligence and patience not to transfer the battles to the territory of Armenia.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 November 2020 00: 17 New
        0
        Unless the firing points on the territory of Armenia will be suppressed which will open fire on the territory of Karabakh.
      2. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 2 November 2020 02: 00 New
        -3
        Quote: RUSS
        The Azerbaijanis have enough intelligence and patience not to transfer the battles to the territory of Armenia.

        should, if not completely insane. if they are so tightly bogged down with a proxy, then contacting the regular army is crazy for them request
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 1 November 2020 19: 58 New
    12
    Quote: Trojan_Wolf
    Some were preparing for the war of the last century, others for the war of the present.

    Some re-equipped and retrained the army, while others ran through the streets.
    1. MTN
      MTN 1 November 2020 20: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      while others ran through the streets.

      They hoped for their invincible "spirit" and always and everywhere said that they could be traders ... Pride !!!
      1. Rubina
        Rubina 1 November 2020 21: 12 New
        12
        I just tweeted to the question why the occupied 7 districts did not give it up in an amicable way, they answered: "This is our buffer zone, we are the oldest nation on earth, we have the right." Well, how to educate them? Drones only
        1. MTN
          MTN 1 November 2020 21: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Rubina
          we are the oldest nation on earth

          considering their Turkic surnames, no matter how ancient they turned out to be, some kind of Turkic is older than the Armenians. You don't need to listen to them. Just return Karabakh, build a big wall like in Israel and Palestine. Leave a small space if they misbehave in the future

          Quote: Rubina
          this is our buffer zone

          Then we will come to an agreement with Putin and take half of Armenia as a buffer zone. We also have the right. The most ancient Armenians have Azerbaijani surnames)))))))
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 1 November 2020 22: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: Rubina
          I just tweeted to the question why the occupied 7 districts did not give it up in an amicable way, they answered: "This is our buffer zone, we are the oldest nation on earth, we have the right."

          Falsifiers of history, everyone knows that the most ancient people are Ukrainians, previously referred to by all the peoples of the world as "ancient Sumerians" or "ancient Ukrainians" ....
          1. Avior
            Avior 2 November 2020 00: 17 New
            +2
            They do not know yet, from which language all languages ​​on the planet originated. smile
            https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kp.ru/daily/24278/473563/
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 2 November 2020 01: 49 New
              +4
              Quote: Avior
              https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kp.ru/daily/24278/473563/

              Here is an example of how the Russian word became foreign. “TO BLINK, SHINE, BLINK, BLACHA - all these words come from the adjective white, since they express a general concept of whiteness,” writes Shishkov. - Each of them happened through contraction: a plaque from a whitewash, fade from whiteness (become white), fade from whitened (also become white), shine from whiteness (something white). And in other languages ​​we find many from this root word: French blanc, blanquette, belle; Latin bellus, blancus; English blanc, bleaching; German blass, blecken, blech, blitz ".

              good
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 1 November 2020 21: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: MTN
        They hoped for their invincible "spirit" and always and everywhere said that they could be traders ... Pride !!!

        Armenians contemptuously call Azerbaijanis bazarbaydzhans, as a result underestimated "bazarbaydzhans"
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 1 November 2020 21: 54 New
      -2
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      while others ran through the streets.

      A hint of opposition? So what does the opposition of Armenia and the army of Nagorno-Karabakh have to do with it?
  • times
    times 1 November 2020 20: 35 New
    20
    Quote: Trojan_Wolf
    Some were preparing for the war of the last century

    The fact of the matter is that we did not prepare.
  • Fungus
    Fungus 1 November 2020 21: 29 New
    -18 qualifying.
    It's just that drones and UAVs against the Papuans are good. Against a normal army, these are useless pieces of iron.
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 November 2020 21: 36 New
      10
      Quote: Fungus
      It's just that drones and UAVs against the Papuans are good.

      poor Armenians.

      Quote: Fungus
      Against a normal army, these are useless pieces of iron.

  • Alien From
    Alien From 1 November 2020 22: 22 New
    +2
    As a result, everyone ended up in one place near the whale.
  • krillon
    krillon 1 November 2020 22: 40 New
    +5
    Are we preparing for something or are we going to be the same targets? Was not the death of Alexander Prokhorenko and others in Syria in vain in order to understand that the era of new wars has come?
    1. Kapral Alphych
      Kapral Alphych 2 November 2020 01: 34 New
      -2
      Are we preparing for something or are we going to be the same targets?

      Judging by the state armaments program for 2020 (2011-2020) at full pace!
      Of the 8 strategic nuclear submarines of Project 955 Borey, 4 are in service, one more has been launched and is being tested. Of the 8 project 885 Yasen multipurpose nuclear submarines, only 1 are in service and 2 more have been launched (possibly 1 will be commissioned by the end of the year). Instead of 20 new diesel-electric submarines, the fleet currently has 8 units at its disposal (one more should be delivered by the end of the year).
      At the end of 2020, the Russian Aerospace Forces does not have ANY 5th generation Su-57 (PAK FA) fighter in combat units, despite the existing plans to acquire at least 55 such aircraft systems by the end of this year. (1 seems to have gone to the troops)
      The S400 complexes were naklyapat enough, but ... So, to date, the combat units of the air defense are not armed with ANY S-500 complex, although according to the plans there should have been about 10 divisions.
      Of the planned 2300 tanks on the Armata heavy tracked platform, 30 to 40 units were delivered to the troops, which are at the same time in experimental military operation
      An identical situation is observed with the supply of other new-generation combat platforms, such as Boomerang and Kurganets-25.
      Mixed feelings are aroused by the state of affairs in the missile and artillery units, where the overfulfillment of targets for certain types of military equipment (Iskander-M OTRK) is overshadowed by the disruption of production of the Coalition-SV self-propelled guns and a significant backlog in the supply of MLRS of all calibers.
      As you can see, we are preparing at full speed, which we cannot fulfill even half of the state program! Someone also loves to cut money more than their homeland!
  • Operator
    Operator 1 November 2020 19: 33 New
    -13 qualifying.
    Shoigu - buy Bayraktars am
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 1 November 2020 19: 35 New
      +6
      Quote: Operator
      Shoigu - buy Bayraktars

      Who? Armenia? So they didn't seem to fold ...)))
      And for himself, Shoigu has something more interesting ...
      1. Operator
        Operator 1 November 2020 19: 39 New
        -1
        Quote: Volodin
        Who?

        Sarcasm, however (see smiley).
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    3. MTN
      MTN 1 November 2020 20: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Operator
      Shoigu - buy Bayraktars

      To begin with, you can talk to Israel and release under license and at the same time open special education lines for drones. The future belongs to drones and not only flying, but floating and walking and driving! And there is communication, weapons, optics.
      1. Kisa
        Kisa 1 November 2020 21: 09 New
        +1
        here on VO news through one advertisement of these Bayraktars. it really feels like all these tanks are from the last century. the concept of local wars is changing. but somehow our military industry does not look very convincing yet ...
        1. MTN
          MTN 1 November 2020 21: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: kitty
          it really feels like all these tanks are from the last century. the concept of local wars is changing.

          The future is clearly with all types of drones.
        2. Kapral Alphych
          Kapral Alphych 2 November 2020 01: 42 New
          +3
          Why "advertising" is just a fact! And you need to be a dim-witted person not to notice the effectiveness of drones. Isn't this what science fiction writers have been telling us in books and films for more than a dozen years?
        3. krillon
          krillon 2 November 2020 23: 50 New
          +1
          I think the feeling is wrong. Tanks, like others, will be in service for a long time. As events have shown, drones are a formidable weapon in capable hands, but by no means a death star. In local wars, or as it is fashionable to say wars of low intensity, they have proven themselves, taking into account the absence of opposition from the other side. In a global confrontation, when there is no need to restrain oneself in something, the satellites will be one of the first to drop, the Air Force will thin out, if they remain by that time and here tanks, artillery and infantry will be irreplaceable. The question is different. After all, UAVs are not super-duper technologies, and I am sure they have trained enough samples of the SVR, I remember the Iranians landed the Americans, China succeeded, why doesn't it go further than samples? What is it, the lack of an element base in the form of electronics or the lack of interest as such from the Ministry of Defense?
      2. Operator
        Operator 1 November 2020 21: 32 New
        -5
        What does Israel have to do with Russia, or at least China has a bulk of both optics and electronics (see smartphones with video, communications, processors and programs).

        The problem is solely in the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, which scored on UAVs, UB, KAZ and a multi-channel short-range air defense system.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 November 2020 00: 20 New
          +1
          They already wrote to you about UAVs in the Russian army - finish this nonsense to carry "The problem is exclusively in the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense, which scored on the UAV"
      3. vitvit123
        vitvit123 1 November 2020 22: 23 New
        0
        Finally .. are you giving Shoigu advice? Let me ask you ... or do you want to teach the Russian Federation how to fight? ..
  • pexotinec
    pexotinec 1 November 2020 19: 38 New
    -6
    There is more Turkey fighting than Azerbaijan. And the Armenians thought that their uncle would go to fight for them.
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 November 2020 19: 53 New
      0
      Quote: pexotinec
      There is more Turkey fighting than Azerbaijan.

      what the hell?
      AZERBAIJAN IS FIRING - IT IS JUST HARD FOR YOU TO RECOGNIZE.
      1. vlad.baryatinsky
        vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 20: 09 New
        +1
        Shalom Aleichem!
        Quote: atalef
        FIRING AZERBAIJAN

        Be condescending to explain.
        Does the beginning of your comment have subtext?
        Or sarcasm?
        Thank you!
        1. atalef
          atalef 1 November 2020 20: 18 New
          11
          Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
          Shalom Aleichem!
          Quote: atalef
          FIRING AZERBAIJAN

          Be condescending to explain.
          Does the beginning of your comment have subtext?
          Or sarcasm?
          Thank you!

          no sarcasm.
          The Azerbaijani army is fighting.
          Fights perfectly with modern weapons.
          How do I know? A good friend of mine for 8 years from a well-known company sells this weapon to Azerbaijan and trains the Azerbaijani military.
          1. vlad.baryatinsky
            vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 20: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            no sarcasm.

            Do not misunderstand me.
            I am not trolling you and I am not trying to ostracize you!
            I mean that you have deigned to interpret in a slightly different plane the beginning of your commentary, namely this - "AZERBAIJAN IS WOWING".
            Quote: atalef
            Fights perfectly with modern weapons.

            It's hard to refute.
            Quote: atalef
            How do I know?

            In no way do I question your awareness of this conflict.
      2. KARAKURT777
        KARAKURT777 1 November 2020 21: 05 New
        0
        On the downside, I see that not only is it hard for him to admit it)) But you are right anyway yes
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        1. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 21: 39 New
          +2
          Hello bat flu.
          Not birds, not animals, but flying mice.
          God-repugnant filth.
        2. atalef
          atalef 1 November 2020 22: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: DED_peer_DED
          Do you want me to tell you about Azerbaijanis in our troops?
          If I start singing the song, it will not be in favor of the latter.

          35 years passed
          Quote: DED_peer_DED
          Su ... ka one of them set fire to a diesel generator in front of me at the command post of the air regiment in which I served, he wanted to sleep.

          and on the basis of this you have a conclusion - all Azerbaijanis are stupid and animals.
          Bravo.
          Quote: DED_peer_DED
          I come for flights, the conscript sergeant says, "Everything is fine, the replenishment already speaks and understands everything in Russian ...".
          What joy :)

          I wonder how people in the rest of the world live without knowledge of the Russian language?
          1. DED_peer_DED
            DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 22: 53 New
            +1
            Are you
            I didn’t let the site finish with four characters, but I wanted to ...
        3. Albay
          Albay 1 November 2020 23: 02 New
          +3
          The next nonsense in the 80s in the Baku district could serve Azerbaijanis only by pull. And even then everyone had other aspirations. Now, after the collapse of the USSR, the people realized that they themselves must defend their beloved Motherland. Therefore, they tirelessly studied and taught others.
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      4. vitvit123
        vitvit123 1 November 2020 22: 29 New
        0
        I'm sure history knows heroes too, but its meager experience remembers a good capter .. and so yes .., the greats are fighting, fighting ...
      5. Albay
        Albay 1 November 2020 22: 56 New
        +6
        Greetings Atalef!
        You are absolutely right, many do not want to admit this to themselves that Azerbaijanis are fighting and are fighting competently, I would even say brilliant operational planning. In part, I agree that the Azerbaijani army is a mini Turkish army. All officers were trained in Turkey, and contract soldiers are also part of .In our years, even sergeants were trained mountain commandos there. Then they already trained fighters here.
        Best regards
        1. atalef
          atalef 1 November 2020 23: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: Albay
          Greetings Atalef!

          hi
          with respect.
          early return to Azerbaijan to the borders of the country and the acquisition of territorial integrity. and that there would be as few casualties as possible on both sides.
          drinks
          1. Albay
            Albay 1 November 2020 23: 10 New
            +4
            I remember you well, although 7 years have passed since we met.
            I had a nickname yarbay if you remember)
            1. atalef
              atalef 1 November 2020 23: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: Albay
              I remember you well, although 7 years have passed since we met.
              I had a nickname yarbay if you remember)

              Of course I remember hi hi hi
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    2. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik 1 November 2020 20: 09 New
      -11 qualifying.
      Did you put a special report on the table today?)) So be it, we can only manage tomatoes)) has it become easier?) Well, I'm glad for you))
    3. Arnaut
      Arnaut 1 November 2020 20: 22 New
      -5
      Who cares who is fighting ???? In the Caucasus, no cannon should fire without the permission of the Kremlin. Neither Azerbaijani, nor Armenian, let alone Turkish. Why Scandinavian peacekeepers under the roof of the United States in the Caucasus ???
      Anyone who now justifies Moscow's inaction by the fact that a magpie rules in Yerevan now, or the fact that there are many Armenians in the neighboring market, tomorrow will justify the surrender of the Kuriles, Belarus, Kaliningrad, Crimea, South Siberia, the North Caucasus, etc.
      THEY WON'T STOP BY THEMSELVES.
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 1 November 2020 21: 00 New
        +4
        Well, there is no need to exaggerate so much about the Kuriles, Belarus, etc. As for the piglet, here we have what we have. Now what to do with him, with the stupid. It was as if the Armenians themselves chose him.
        1. Arnaut
          Arnaut 1 November 2020 21: 21 New
          +9
          If a gopnik on the street is given a cigarette, he will not calm down. Wallet, mobile, spit in the face. And all one will be a scuffle.
          The Caucasus is the zone of interests of Russia. Dot. If the Turks organize a war in this zone, it is a slap in the face of Russia.
          And remembering here about the little magpie is like thinking: "Yes, and I had an old phone, and I had only half a pocket in my wallet, and a warm puddle, into which I was dropped, and no spit got into my eye, but you can wipe it off my forehead."
          Tell me, how many people in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the GRU, the SVR, the FSB were kicked out into the street without a pension, when an incomprehensible maggot staged a coup? Is Soros cooler than Russia?
          1. EwgenyZ
            EwgenyZ 1 November 2020 22: 02 New
            +7
            Quote: Arnaut
            If a gopnik on the street is given a cigarette, he will not calm down.

            Did you graduate from MGIMO (or what did Lavrov graduate from there)? So you think so non-diplomatically, but you would have finished
            Quote: Arnaut
            I had an old phone, and in my wallet there were only half salons, and a warm puddle into which they dropped me, and no spit got into my eye, but you can wipe it off my forehead. "

            It has long been possible to understand that under our current leaders, they will not put us at anything, Solntseliky will only move if there is any threat to him personally or to his power. They cannot restore order in Ukraine and Belarus, and you mean Transcaucasia ...
            1. Azimuth
              Azimuth 2 November 2020 00: 02 New
              -2
              Quote: EwgenyZ
              It has long been possible to understand that under our current leaders, they will not put us at anything, Solntseliky will only move if there is any threat to him personally or to his power. They cannot restore order in Ukraine and Belarus, and you mean Transcaucasia ...
              What is happening in Transcaucasia shows that the conclusions have been drawn and the measures, as you can see, have been taken very tough.
              In Ukraine, they threw us, when they climbed to be arbiters between Yanyk and the gopota Soros-State Department, measures were taken. There was a transformation, if in Georgia we went on our own, then in Ukraine through "they are not there", but now we are already solving the problem with someone else's hands.
              At the same time, seeing the impending collapse of our forces in Armenia as a result of Azerbaijan's offensive, we have already rushed to talk about the introduction of "neutral"
              peacekeepers from Scandinavia WITHOUT the consent of the parties, realizing that Baku, unlike Yerevan, will not give consent, but such actions require a UN mandate and resolution, and there we block any decision.
              So the conclusions have been drawn and everything is going well, there is no need to repeat nonsense after our liberals, they are all for Pashinyan, I dare to remind you that they have one owner.
              Look what is happening now, a NATO country with the second largest army, on whose territory the Americans store their atomic weapons, now, and notice not for the first time, is playing with us on the same side and in our interests, it’s about Turkey, you guessed it. It was not in vain that we saved Erdogash during the coup, and the organizer of the coup and his enemy number 1, lives in the United States in the CIA villa for a reason. We are now normal with the Turks in Syria and the Caucasus, and this is a difficult game. The Armenians are now grabbing in full, obviously not for a couple of placards about "Russian occupiers", so they "blizzard" for much more serious things, we do not know much to draw conclusions and assess, but the fact is that we are standing above the situation and managing it.

              So I repeat once again, do not follow the liberals and do not become like them. Erdogan closed tens of thousands of warriors, policemen and others after the coup attempt, so much all this foam took root. It is not hard to guess that our situation is no better, but the GDP, as we see, does without such repressions, and at the same time, the country is huge, like ours, manageable, both internal and external tasks are being solved.
          2. krillon
            krillon 3 November 2020 00: 22 New
            0
            Interesting findings. Should Russia send its guys to fight for Karabakh, despite the fact that Armenia itself does not recognize the NKR? The top officials once again confirmed that in case of aggression against Armenia, Russia will fulfill its treaty obligations. Is Armenia being attacked? And watch Putin's speech where he says that as a result of this company Azerbaijan should receive five plus two regions, this is what is repulsed or captured as you like. So whoever says that Moscow decides who is left with what is right, is based on its interests. The Armenians decided that they themselves had a mustache, well, Russia did not leave them, it just turned away for a while. And Azerbaijan did not turn its back on Turkey, this is the result. In short, as in sports, an agreement. And everything goes to the point that Armenia will be beaten, you mean NKR, until its full insight. Judging by the way Pashinyan is rushing about, it has not yet come to him.
      2. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 21: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: Arnaut
        In the Caucasus, no cannon should fire without the permission of the Kremlin.

        We will wait for our government to begin to consider us as their own. We are waiting ...
        1. Arnaut
          Arnaut 1 November 2020 22: 20 New
          +6
          Quote: DED_peer_DED
          We are waiting ...

          Khabarovsk has already waited
      3. karpusha
        karpusha 2 November 2020 01: 25 New
        +2
        For the Kremlin to have such power and authority, it is necessary to build a modern state and an army. An aligarchic state of raw materials cannot be an authority. It can be a source of money and raw materials, but not an authority.
        The current Russian army without nuclear weapons is only slightly superior to the Turkish in its capabilities.
    4. MTN
      MTN 1 November 2020 20: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: pexotinec
      There is more Turkey fighting than Azerbaijan.

      New reason for losing? They say Turkey is Turkey and then we are traders like in the 90s?
      1. KARAKURT777
        KARAKURT777 1 November 2020 21: 11 New
        +4
        Bile destroys people, especially when stupid ones follow the lead of the sharp ones)) Everyone saw who was fighting with whom. And tales about mercenaries and Turks from Azerbaijan cause simply homeric laughter. Especially when today they blurted out about how the Azerbaijanis killed two Russian border guards. People sometimes sink too low and there are most of them))
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 2 November 2020 02: 28 New
          -2
          Quote: KARAKURT777
          And tales about mercenaries and Turks from Azerbaijan cause simply homeric laughter.

          Homeric laughter is caused by the fact that Azerbaijan already can't cope with the Armenian prksi, but every day it screams about victory over Armenia laughing
      2. Alena-Baku
        Alena-Baku 1 November 2020 22: 39 New
        +2
        Armenians contradict themselves, they say that Azerbaijan has 10 thousand killed and then they say there are Turks but alive.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 3 November 2020 00: 57 New
          -1
          So the Azerbaijanis also lie that there are no militants from other countries on their side, so how are you better then?
          1. Alena-Baku
            Alena-Baku 3 November 2020 01: 21 New
            +1
            The best part is that they are right according to the system of legal principles and norms governing relations between states.
      3. 16329
        16329 2 November 2020 02: 12 New
        0
        By the way, Turkish officers were in the Azerbaijani army in the 90s, there is nothing new in this,
        It was under the rule of the Popular Front.
        In general, when my driver told me that at first they had a Russian command staff, then a Turkish, and then a local Azerbaijani
        At the beginning of the first war, Azerbaijan had a serious advantage, but then the situation changed.
        The process is underway, let's see what this conflict will result in, most likely the regions around Karabakh will be returned to Azerbaijan, Karabakh itself will most likely receive a special status, but if the war really goes to the end, then everything will be different
    5. RUSS
      RUSS 1 November 2020 21: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: pexotinec
      There is more Turkey fighting than Azerbaijan. And the Armenians thought that their uncle would go to fight for them.

      Are there specifics, or is it speculation again?
    6. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 1 November 2020 21: 56 New
      +4
      There is more Turkey fighting than Azerbaijan. And the Armenians thought that their uncle would go to fight for them

      Not at all ... - Turkey does not fight there ...
      Feel the difference: - some spent the night on the laurels of the winners and hoped for an impassable defense, and a certain spirit that no one could repeat ... Others declared (sitting in the trenches) that the battle was lost, but not the war ... and raised a patriotic generation ready for self-sacrifice ... And they fed their army from the belly - the result is obvious!
      In Azerbaijan, it's not fools to let a guest into your house, who will go to sleep in the owner's bed ...
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 2 November 2020 02: 30 New
        -1
        Quote: VyacheSeymour
        Not at all ... - Turkey does not fight there ...

        there and Armenia does not fight. request
        1. Peter rybak
          Peter rybak 2 November 2020 16: 12 New
          +1
          only Armenian women.
  • Bulgarian
    Bulgarian 1 November 2020 19: 39 New
    +6
    Don't ask Shoigu. In the case of Russia, the Bayraktars will all fall, and the control centers will "evaporate"
    1. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 1 November 2020 19: 49 New
      -2
      Quote: Bulgarian
      In the case of Russia, the Bayraktars will all fall, and the control centers will "evaporate"

      the same way the Armenians talked about the war in Karabakh with Baku
      1. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 1 November 2020 19: 54 New
        +9
        The Armenians did not discuss anything. Recently, they have been busy with the division of power and the Maidans. What the opponents took advantage of.
        The Armenians do not have air defense after 80 years of release, neither the same UAVs, nor resources.
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 20: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Sandor Clegane
        so did the Armenians reasoned when they spoke

        You need to think about the enemy something like this.
        1. Silvio
          Silvio 1 November 2020 20: 28 New
          +4
          In what year was such a memo issued?
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 1 November 2020 21: 56 New
          0
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          Quote: Sandor Clegane
          so did the Armenians reasoned when they spoke

          You need to think about the enemy something like this.

          No need to download any garbage and "remake" from the Internet
  • rocket757
    rocket757 1 November 2020 19: 41 New
    11
    And all the same it is interesting, a projectile at long distances in general, perhaps they have no dispersion? Simple, without adjustment.
    Very similar to fairy tales! One shell exactly on target ???
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 19: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      Very similar to fairy tales! One shell exactly on target ???

      Of course, fairy tales. In the video, the MAM-L bombs are clearly laser-guided.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 1 November 2020 19: 48 New
      +8
      There are modern guided, laser-guided projectiles. Note that some of the shots show glare before the impact. Russian of this kind are called Krasnopol, American (British) - Excalibur
      "Krasnopol" can be fired from any 152-millimeter gun. After exiting the cannon barrel, the 45-kg projectile spreads the stabilizers in the tail section and four rudders in the bow. A protective cover flies off the homing head, covering the optics during a shot.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 1 November 2020 19: 58 New
        +6
        About corrected ammunition everything is clear, there were discussions on this topic.
        Not a cheap pleasure, but the efficiency is much better.
        And simple shells can hit right on target, but this is a matter of chance or quantity that turns into quality.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 November 2020 20: 00 New
          +7
          Long distance - quantity for quality
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 November 2020 20: 12 New
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          or quantity turning into quality.

          Or shooting for destruction. A very accurate piece
          But there the price is time
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 November 2020 20: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Krasnodar
        There are modern guided, laser-guided projectiles. Note that some of the shots show glare before the impact. Russian of this kind are called Krasnopol, American (British) - Excalibur

        The American ones were called "Copperhead" M712, and they are no longer in service.
        And the "Excaliburs" which with the index "S" and LGSN seem to have been developed, but according to open data they are not yet purchased
        So either Russian or Ukrainian (if they were able to restore the production of Soviet "heads")

        Although judging by the low speed of the ammunition, this does not look like a projectile
        Apparently really MAM-L
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 November 2020 20: 14 New
          +5
          I read about Excaliburs somewhere that is already in service with the Britons and the States hi
          What is visually distinguishable is one hundred percent of some kind of aviation munition
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 1 November 2020 20: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: Krasnodar
            I read about Excaliburs somewhere that is already in service with the Britons and the States

            Of course have. INS + GPS option.
            That is, without a semi-active laser seeker.
            Excalibur S began to develop in 2013
          2. VyacheSeymour
            VyacheSeymour 1 November 2020 22: 13 New
            +2
            There is also Kvitnik ... Sometimes statements by Azerbaijani officials about the supply of ammunition from Iran ... are clearly not ordinary 152mm millimeters, of which Azerbaijan has established itself ...
            From time to time on the shots of the blows "black cigars" slip with such an impressive destructive force - the angle of fall is not Lora (it is almost vertical), for Polonaise too
            the shell is short ... -Linx Extra ????
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 22: 21 New
              -2
              Quote: VyacheSeymour
              black cigars "with such impressive destructive power

              There may be bombs about which I wrote below.
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 21: 48 New
          0
          Su-25 are working. The description of the video says so. It looks like JDAM (well, or some analogue) went into business.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 22: 04 New
            0
            Most likely the Turkish TEBER-81 and TEBER-82 are laser-guided.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 November 2020 00: 36 New
            +2
            In the second video, one clever fighter turned out to be smart when the roar of an approaching aircraft ran from the trenches - the rest were packed into the trench dugout and covered with an aerial bomb.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 2 November 2020 00: 40 New
              +2
              Much has already been said about this. Substitutes learning. When firing "conventional" shells and aerial bombs where the chance of a direct hit is minimal, this is the right decision, and if you scatter, the chance of defeat increases. The opposite is true with laser guidance.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 2 November 2020 12: 49 New
                +1
                The Armenians should already have a taste that they work with precision weapons.
      3. Diverse
        Diverse 1 November 2020 23: 00 New
        +2
        It is also possible that they used Israeli LAHAT missiles. Moreover, they are in service with Azerbaijan. The LAHAT semi-active laser guidance system allows both direct - from the firing platform and indirect guidance - when the target is illuminated by a laser beam from the side (for example, from another tank, helicopter, UAV, or gunner-operator), which provides firing at targets out of sight, as well as from closed positions. The target is illuminated for only 2-3 seconds at the final (controlled) segment of the missile's flight path (which makes it difficult for the target to detect its capture by the missile and organize countermeasures).

        When launched from a ground platform, the missile has a range of 6–8 km and 8–13 km for air launch conditions. Missile miss (KVO), as a rule, does not exceed 0,7 meters; attacking the target LAHAT dives at it at an angle of about 30 °, providing armor penetration up to 800 millimeters of homogeneous armor, including in the presence of dynamic protection (due to the use of a tandem cumulative warhead precharge).
        Ground launch - 8 km [3]
        Air launch - 13 km [3]
        Rocket flight speed: ~ 285 [3] m / s
        Armor penetration: 800 mm homogeneous armor
        Length: 975 mm
        Diameter: 104,5 mm
        Weight:
        shots - 19 kg
        missiles - 12,5 kg
        Warhead: cumulative, tandem.
        LAHAT is IAI's initiative development started in 1992
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 November 2020 00: 39 New
          0
          This is definitely not LAHAT. There, an explosion of 100 kilograms in TNT equivalent was the bombs that were most likely new with laser guidance of Azerbaijani production.
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 1 November 2020 20: 16 New
      15
      Quote: rocket757
      And all the same it is interesting, a projectile at long distances in general, perhaps they have no dispersion? Simple, without adjustment.
      Very similar to fairy tales! One projectile right on target ??

      As a practical artilleryman, I will strongly support it. Zeroing with correction is, of course, much easier than using coordinates. But so that the projectile hits the target right from the first shot - it is either laser-guided projectiles and the UAV highlights the target ... or they show us a "picture" ... amendment, well, if everything is exactly counted, the third is the cover! But this coverage, taking into account the dispersion of shells - plus or minus 5-7 meters. Indirect aiming, more precisely you will not hit.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 November 2020 20: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Zeroing is always like this - you see a gap - you estimate the deviation, you enter an amendment, another gap - another amendment, well, if you counted everything exactly, the third - coverage! But this coverage, taking into account the dispersion of shells - plus or minus 5-7 meters. Indirect aiming, more precisely you will not hit.

        I was shooting at the school for the competition. The goal is the column. Zeroing by observing break marks. The very first projectile right on target
        Forced to shoot.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 1 November 2020 20: 31 New
          10
          Quote: Spade
          The very first projectile right on target

          It happens. And I had that. Yes, even at night shooting. But this is an accident. Well, shells don't fly without scattering. Otherwise, the projectile would hit the same funnel from time to time. But this, according to the observations of front-line soldiers, is unlikely (if one gun hits, I will add, well, or a battery.). Cannons D-20 (howitzers, of course) - everything is about the same as in the Great Patriotic War. An overhead spotter is great, but that's all. You beat at the target, achieving a direct hit, switching to "runaway", but the theory of probability ... against a direct hit with the first shot from closed positions.
      2. Professor
        Professor 1 November 2020 20: 40 New
        +6
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        As a practical artilleryman, I will strongly support it. Zeroing with correction is, of course, much easier than using coordinates.

        It was easier that way 50 years ago. Today, it's easier to broadcast coordinates from a drone to a smart projectile. Moreover, the drone has long been artillery. Each battalion has its own drone.

        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        But so that the projectile is right on target from the first shot - these are either laser-guided projectiles, and the UAV highlights the target ... or we are shown a "picture" ...

        This is if we assume that all errors in the world obey the Normal Law of Distribution. Stupid Americans and their Zionist allies calculated how much it costs to hit a target with a non-smart projectile (even with perfect observation means) and how much it costs to hit a target. Since then, expensive smart ammunition has been churned out.


        Most importantly, while you shoot at you (God forbid, of course) they will already be demolished. Today, artillery must fire quickly and change position over and over quickly. Otherwise it will be like in the video from Karabakh.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 1 November 2020 20: 54 New
          +5
          Quote: Professor
          This is if we assume that all errors in the world obey the Normal Law of Distribution.


          Are guided weapon errors subject to a different distribution? smile
          1. Professor
            Professor 1 November 2020 21: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Quote: Professor
            This is if we assume that all errors in the world obey the Normal Law of Distribution.


            Are guided weapon errors subject to a different distribution? smile

            Of course. Normal distribution implies a random process without outside interference.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 1 November 2020 21: 19 New
              +8
              Clear. Are you really a professor?
              1. Professor
                Professor 1 November 2020 21: 28 New
                +8
                Quote: Eye of the Crying
                Clear. Are you really a professor?

                Exactly. Sour cabbage soup, but I know the theory of probability very well. I know a couple of error distribution laws out of more than 200 known today. I know that in the first lesson they always tell what a random process is. I know that with a Gaussian AKA Normal Distribution, there is a possibility that a projectile with a 10 meter CEP will leave the solar system. I also know in which books this is all written. And most importantly, I know why Spike's KVO is not mentioned anywhere. wink
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 1 November 2020 21: 32 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Professor
                  And most importantly, I know why Spike's KVO is not mentioned anywhere.


                  At least you know that even guided munitions have a CWO.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 1 November 2020 21: 40 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    Quote: Professor
                    And most importantly, I know why Spike's KVO is not mentioned anywhere.


                    At least you know that even guided munitions have a CWO.

                    Only for those who, in the event of a failure / shutdown of this control, continue to move as a solid uncontrollable body. Otherwise, the Pinpoint definition is applied.
                    https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/gwilr26&div=10&id=&page=
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 1 November 2020 21: 35 New
                +2
                Great question ... laughing
                I ask them too.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 1 November 2020 21: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          Today, artillery must fire quickly and change position over and over quickly.

          For stationary purposes, everything is clear. One accurate hit may be enough.
          But nimble, maneuvering targets to hit in such a way as ?. The projectile is still an inert object, it can steer, but quickly, significantly change the trajectory, how is that?
          1. Professor
            Professor 1 November 2020 23: 25 New
            +5
            Quote: rocket757
            Quote: Professor
            Today, artillery must fire quickly and change position over and over quickly.

            For stationary purposes, everything is clear. One accurate hit may be enough.
            But nimble, maneuvering targets to hit in such a way as ?. The projectile is still an inert object, it can steer, but quickly, significantly change the trajectory, how is that?

        3. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 22: 04 New
          0
          Yes. Against the Papuans (Armenians And others like him) he will trample.
          And if - otherwise? If shells bother to answer shells, no one will. As then ?
          There are more options. I don't take into account the vigorous bomb.
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      3. rocket757
        rocket757 1 November 2020 21: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Indirect aiming, you won't get more precisely.

        I had nothing to do with field artillery, only with anti-aircraft guns, but it was taught that the wear of the barrels and the quality of ammunition affect the accuracy! Do they have sho, all new barrels and shells with the quality mark?
        Oh, yes, there was a topic, instead of simple fuses in shells of a serious caliber, smart fuses were screwed into them, which they know how to steer! Also an option.
        Azerbaijan, can afford various bells and whistles, do not skimp.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 1 November 2020 21: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          Oh, yes, there was a topic, instead of simple fuses in shells of a serious caliber, smart fuses were screwed in, which they know how to steer! Also an option

          No, that's not the case. We also have shells guided by laser illumination. "Krasnopol" for example.
          And to send shells according to GPS coordinates - if the electronic warfare does not work. And that is, there are such chips - they shift the coordinates. So you hit, it seems, at the enemy, and expensive shells fly either in the wrong direction, or even at your own (this is how the signal will be distorted!). And if the GPS signal is suppressed at all, then it will be quite curious ... all these shells will become ordinary HE, and how then to shoot?
  • denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 1 November 2020 19: 45 New
    +6
    The situation in the NKR convincingly shows once again that when liberals come to the supreme power, the enemies of the country put the country in a certain position and begin to have it.
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 November 2020 19: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: denis obuckov
      The situation in the NKR convincingly shows once again that when liberals come to the supreme power, the enemies of the country put the country in a certain position and begin to have it.

      of course, there is someone to blame.
      Are the Armenian generals the same liberals?
      Or does the Pashinyan not let them fight?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 1 November 2020 20: 23 New
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        Are the Armenian generals the same liberals?
        Or does the Pashinyan not let them fight?

        And where is the money for armaments? The generals would be happy ... but while they were galloping, the money for new weapons also "galloped" somewhere ... Everything is not easy there. Karabakh is not Armenia. He has a budget, to put it mildly ... I don't know how the economy is developing there, but if Armenia did not help, due to its busy sharing of power, then what are the chances?
        1. atalef
          atalef 1 November 2020 20: 28 New
          -3
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          And where is the money for armaments?

          in Karaganda.
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          The generals would be happy ... but while they were galloping, the money for new weapons also "galloped" somewhere

          The Armenian Armed Forces have been intensively building up their arsenal over the past two years. This was stated today, December 6, at a press conference in Yerevan by the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Republic Gabriel Balayan, answering the question of “Sputnik Armenia”.

          Earlier, during the discussion of the draft state budget for 2020, Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan said that since 2018 Armenia has acquired an unprecedented amount of weapons compared to previous years, and the country's government will purposefully continue its policy aimed at maintaining the military balance in the region of the Karabakh conflict.

          Commenting on this statement, Deputy Minister Balayan said that Yerevan had purchased modern weapons, while simultaneously modernizing existing weapons and military equipment.


          More details: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2019/12/06/minoborony-armenii-zakupili-mnogo-oruzhiya-chto-konkretno-voennaya-tayna

          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          In general, everything is not easy there. Karabakh is not Armenia

          of course not. Well, just a separate state.
          It's only strange why the current chief of the general staff of armenia was the minister of defense of Karabakh.

          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          ... How the economy is developing there is unknown to me, but if Armenia did not help

          do you live in a parallel universe? How did all the weapons get to Karabakh 7 or are they all 30 years old?
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 1 November 2020 20: 40 New
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            do you live in a parallel universe? How did all the weapons get to Karabakh 7 or are they all 30 years old?

            Yes, they ripped up all this money. They didn't buy anything modern, there was no concept. A bunch of ancient "Wasps" were purchased, or brought from Armenia instead of air defense. No fortifications. All these bombs from "Bayraktar" are not too dangerous even for an ordinary dugout ... But it turned out that preparations for SUCH war had been spanked, money for fortified areas and modern weapons had been "mastered" ... Azerbaijan did not particularly conceal preparation ... and purchases.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 November 2020 20: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Are the Armenian generals the same liberals?

        Either the liberals, or those appointed by the liberals, or those influenced by the liberals.
        For one of the first things that liberalism destroys is the army.
        The Russian army, in fact, still has not fully recovered from the consequences of the 90s
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 1 November 2020 20: 53 New
          +9
          America is liberal through and through, but its army is very professional.
          Israel is the same.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 1 November 2020 21: 00 New
            -6
            Quote: voyaka uh
            America is liberal through and through, but its army is very professional.
            Israel is the same.

            Are you professionally able to knead a lying person with a crowd? Help terrorists?
            I do not argue.
            But, for example, the liberal-professional American army, um ..., was afraid to touch North Korea.
            1. atalef
              atalef 1 November 2020 21: 05 New
              +6
              Quote: Spade
              Are you professionally able to knead a lying person with a crowd? Help terrorists?
              I do not argue.
              But, for example, the liberal-professional American army, um ..., was afraid to touch North Korea

              demagogy.
              Empty and cheap.
              First class level, and * G *
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 1 November 2020 21: 11 New
                -1
                Quote: atalef
                demagogy.

                You can declare the truth "demagoguery", but this will not cease to be true.

                After all, no one has forgotten Israel's whining and persuasion about the strike on Iran. We were too scared to do it ourselves. The United States did not want to and Israel had to abandon the idea.
                Everyone can see perfectly well who is now at the helm in North. Korea, and how Israel actively helps terrorists with its attacks on those who are bothered with them.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 1 November 2020 21: 21 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Spade
                  You can declare the truth "demagoguery", but this will not cease to be true.

                  of course you can, but you have demagoguery, and cheap.
                  Quote: Spade
                  After all, no one has forgotten Israel's whining and persuasion about the strike on Iran. We were too scared to do it ourselves. The United States did not want to and Israel had to abandon the idea.

                  this makes no sense
                  Quote: Spade
                  Everyone can see perfectly well who is now at the helm in North. Korea, and how Israel actively helps terrorists with its attacks on those who are bothered with them.

                  you mean the Idlib terrorists. who are under the wing of your friend Erdogan?
                  For the nuclear power plant. S-400 and Turkish Stream.
                  what did he do there? And the plane was shot down and the ambassador was shot.
                  It's cooler than S. Korea. they got nothing from amers. truth they did not do anything wink
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 1 November 2020 21: 27 New
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    of course you can, but you have demagoguery, and cheap.

                    The truth is always unpleasant.
                    I understand you.
                    But I can't help it

                    Quote: atalef
                    this makes no sense

                    I think so too. But if they were strong, they would hit, not whine.

                    Quote: atalef
                    are you talking about the Idlib terrorists

                    This is me about terrorist groups affiliated with al-Qaeda. Near the line of contact in the Golan, which you defended so passionately. Including destroying the weapons of the Syrian army under the idiotic pretext "they were shooting towards Israel"
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 1 November 2020 22: 37 New
                      +8
                      Quote: Spade

                      This is me about terrorist groups affiliated with al-Qaeda. Near the line of contact in the Golan, which you defended so passionately. Including destroying the weapons of the Syrian army under the idiotic pretext "they were shooting towards Israel"

                      So the Israelis also beat Nusra (destroyed a tank and a machine-gun point) under an idiotic pretext, they fired towards Israel. And the ISIS stronghold near the Golan is also under the ridiculous pretext of shooting towards Israel. Well, the CAA, respectively - for the Jews sho pseudo-Islamists who sho legalized their Nazis asadovites are ghouls of one category.
                      And Israel is being protected by Liba El Julan - the militia of border villages, and a couple of Druze towns, for internal reasons (because of the Druze community of Israel). All of them are against Assad, but there are reasons for this - except for attempts to rip off taxes from them, Bashar did nothing for them, for objective reasons - he did not provide either medicine or safety from the barmaley
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 1 November 2020 21: 07 New
              +5
              And who, in your opinion, is destroying the Armenian army like in a dash?
              These are gamers, bespectacled people, nerds - all liberals, for your information.
              They and drones came up with enthusiasm, and they are controlled.
              A small toy rocket from a drone, following the movement of the boy's joystick, hits from above exactly into the gas tank of a huge Tornado installation ...
              And the car lights up. That's the whole MLRS.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 1 November 2020 21: 14 New
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                And who, in your opinion, is destroying the Armenian army like in a dash?

                Stupid question.
                The army of the totalitarian red-haired dictators Aliyevs. For which the color revolution has been crying for a long time

                Quote: voyaka uh
                These are gamers, bespectacled people, nerds - all liberals, for your information

                Yah?
                Just a little ...
                1. atalef
                  atalef 1 November 2020 21: 23 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  Stupid question.
                  The army of the totalitarian red-haired dictators Aliyevs. For which the color revolution has been crying for a long time

                  what would Pashinyan have? laughing
                  Quote: Spade
                  Yah?
                  Just a little ...

                  Well, you know everything as always. lol
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 1 November 2020 21: 29 New
                    +3
                    Quote: atalef
                    what would Pashinyan have?

                    But Pashinyan has the most that neither is democracy. Liberal. But it doesn't really help him.
            3. RUSS
              RUSS 1 November 2020 21: 45 New
              0
              Quote: Spade
              Are you professionally able to knead a lying person with a crowd? Help terrorists?
              I do not argue.

              The presence of American troops in Afghanistan contributes to security in the region, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on the air of the Russia 1 TV channel.

              “In spite of everything, all the same, the presence of the Americans in Afghanistan contributes to stability in the country, and their departure creates risks,” the TASS president was quoted as saying.
              Quote: Spade
              But, for example, the liberal-professional American army, um ..., was afraid to touch North Korea.

              There is no reason for this.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 1 November 2020 21: 54 New
                +2
                Quote: RUSS
                There is no reason for this.

                "The grapes are green"
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 1 November 2020 22: 17 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  Quote: RUSS
                  There is no reason for this.

                  "The grapes are green"

                  How can the DPRK respond to the United States? That's right, nothing, but Kim will definitely hit South Korea, so as they say, don't touch the gov ... oh, it doesn't stink.
            4. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 1 November 2020 22: 00 New
              0
              Quote: Spade
              the liberal-professional American army, um ..., was afraid to touch North Korea.


              The army, glory to TNB, does not decide for itself whom to "touch".
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 1 November 2020 22: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: Eye of the Crying
                The army, glory to TNB, does not decide for itself whom to "touch".

                Not a fact.
                The commander-in-chief cannot be separated from the army.
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 1 November 2020 22: 16 New
                  -1
                  Do you really consider Trump or Obama (and at least anyone and the Bush) to be part of the army? smile

                  However, the war requires the consent of the Senate. He certainly does not belong to the army.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 1 November 2020 22: 16 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    Do you really consider Trump or Obama (and at least anyone and the Bush) to be part of the army?

                    It is intended.
            5. DED_peer_DED
              DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 22: 12 New
              -1
              Are you professionally able to knead a lying person with a crowd?

              Jews understand life and government only within the physical world, today, tomorrow, but within their understanding.
              A Russian Orthodox person believes in an afterlife, believes in paradise. Try this, kill.
              He has at least two lives, and a Jew has one ...
              So fight with such ...
              1. atalef
                atalef 1 November 2020 22: 18 New
                +3
                Quote: DED_peer_DED
                A Russian Orthodox person believes in an afterlife, believes in paradise. Try this, kill.

                that's how propaganda works

                Quote: DED_peer_DED
                He has at least two lives

                And the cat has 7
                Quote: DED_peer_DED
                Try this, kill.

                well
                1. DED_peer_DED
                  DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 22: 19 New
                  +2
                  And who is there in your video?
                  I do not remember.
                  We did not serve together. Continue?
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 1 November 2020 22: 23 New
                    0
                    Quote: DED_peer_DED
                    And who is there in your video?
                    I do not remember.
                    We did not serve together. Continue?

                    Did you serve with the Jews or do you understand Judaism?
                    Quote: DED_peer_DED
                    the times understand life and government only within the limits of the physical world, today, tomorrow, but within the limits of their understanding.
                    1. DED_peer_DED
                      DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 22: 24 New
                      +1
                      Protest.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 1 November 2020 22: 29 New
                        +1
                        Quote: DED_peer_DED
                        Protest.

                        What ? That all Russians will go to heaven and have at least 2 lives?
                        Yes, I have no doubt. that it will be so
                        Why not return from one paradise to another?
                      2. DED_peer_DED
                        DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 22: 32 New
                        +1
                        Jews understand life and government only within the physical world, today, tomorrow, but within their understanding.

                        You have no afterlife.
                        Yes or no?
                      3. DED_peer_DED
                        DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 22: 51 New
                        0
                        No answer.
                        The song didn't work out.
                        Amen.
                      4. atalef
                        atalef 1 November 2020 22: 56 New
                        0
                        Quote: DED_peer_DED
                        You have no afterlife.

                        do you have it? Is there any proof?
                      5. DED_peer_DED
                        DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 23: 03 New
                        -2
                        ?

                        ?

                        The whole point is yours. Two question marks in a short sentence.
                    2. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 00: 07 New
                      +4
                      Present only if the balance of your good deeds outweighed the bad ones:
                      The Messiah comes from the clan of David (the nationality of the Jews is by the mother, the clan by the father), the dead revive and go to the Last Judgment,
                      People with a positive balance end up in the "Next World" - an absolutely just society without wars, etc.
                      hi
                    3. DED_peer_DED
                      DED_peer_DED 2 November 2020 00: 10 New
                      0
                      Please provide a link. I would like to look through the primary sources.
                      I can provide ours, no problem.
                    4. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 00: 24 New
                      +3
                      I know yours
                      Our
                      In Judaism, the Last Judgment or Judgment Day is the judgment of God, following the general resurrection, after which the eternal bliss of the righteous and the eternal torment of the condemned [1] [2] [3] will follow. The resurrection of the dead means that at a certain time the dead will be revived in the flesh [4]. Jewish prophets such as Isaiah, Ezekiel (Yechezkel), Daniel (Daniel) and others spoke about the resurrection from the dead [3] [5]. So, the prophet Daniel says the following about this:

                      And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth will awaken, some to eternal life, others to eternal reproach and shame.

                      - Dan. 12: 2

                      https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Страшный_суд
                    5. DED_peer_DED
                      DED_peer_DED 2 November 2020 00: 28 New
                      -2
                      So this is where your tablets are kept -


                      Do you take me for a fool?
                    6. The comment was deleted.
                    7. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 00: 38 New
                      +2
                      In the sense of? Can you lay out the Messianic prophecies of the Jews from Tanaka and commentaries to them from the Talmud? laughing
                      Please:
                      https://toldot.ru/articles/articles_11313.html
                      This is about the Messiah, the end of days, etc.
                      The prophecy itself:
                      https://toldot.ru/limud/library/neviim/yeshaya/
                      If you have any questions - ask hi
                    8. DED_peer_DED
                      DED_peer_DED 2 November 2020 00: 49 New
                      -3
                      I will try to read it, but it seems to me that this is not the main line of the Jewish faith.
                      I suppose, in fact, not from the texts that I have not read yet.
                      Christ is our God. Your God? Who crucified him and when?
                      The Heavenly Trinity, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, is your God one in 3 persons and hypostases?
                      Is the Mother of the Most Holy Theotokos in your faith?
                      Holy Apostles and God's holy Icons, revered by you?
                      Riley?
                    9. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 01: 09 New
                      +3
                      You can also find the main line of Jewish faith in the New Testament, the dispute between Jesus and the Scribe in the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Mark
                      1) Our Gd is the Gd Father in the Christian Trinity
                      2) The Romans crucified under Pontius Pilate
                      3) No, we only have a Gd father
                      4) There is no Virgin Mary in faith
                      5) the apostles are not honored
                      6) Icons are considered a violation of the commandment "Do not make yourself an idol and no image of what is in the sky above, what is on the earth below, and what is in the water below the earth"
                      Riley in the sense of Really? ))
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 1 November 2020 22: 19 New
    0
    Quote: DED_peer_DED
    A Russian Orthodox person believes in an afterlife, believes in paradise. Try this, kill.
    He has at least two lives


    How much is the maximum?
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 22: 22 New
      -1
      Quote: Eye of the Crying
      How much is the maximum?

      Not counted yet.
      1. atalef
        atalef 1 November 2020 22: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: DED_peer_DED
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        How much is the maximum?

        Not counted yet.

        like Meehan - who can count them laughing
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 1 November 2020 23: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          like Meehan - who can count them

          It has long been noticed that the Russians (as well as the Ukrainians) have a cult of dead heroes.
          Not even the living - namely the dead. And the better they died, the more the cult.
          Who knows Ivanov and MT Amur? not many people who
          And what about Rudnev and Varyag? Yes, many.
          But the first most successful ship of the war (and indeed in the Russian fleet of the 20th century), and the second one simply died without destroying anyone.
          1. DED_peer_DED
            DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 23: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Niel-le-Calais
            and the second one just died without destroying anyone

            "God is not in power, but in Truth"
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 1 November 2020 22: 40 New
    +3
    Quote: DED_peer_DED
    Are you professionally able to knead a lying person with a crowd?

    Jews understand life and government only within the physical world, today, tomorrow, but within their understanding.
    A Russian Orthodox person believes in an afterlife, believes in paradise. Try this, kill.
    He has at least two lives, and a Jew has one ...
    So fight with such ...

    Reread the Old Testament - there Jesus talks about the next world and other subtleties of Judaism ..))
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 November 2020 22: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Reread the Old Testament - there Jesus talks about the next world and other subtleties of Judaism ..))

      re-read belay - DED_peer_DED is not a reader. he is a writer lol
      1. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 23: 10 New
        -2
        Reread the Old Testament - There Jesus Tells

        What do you smoke? Share the recipe ...
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 2 November 2020 00: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: DED_peer_DED
          Reread the Old Testament - There Jesus Tells

          What do you smoke? Share the recipe ...

          Tobacco)).
          Kingdom of Heaven, Malkut Ashamaim in Hebrew, Malkuta Shmaya in Aramaic hi
          1. DED_peer_DED
            DED_peer_DED 2 November 2020 00: 13 New
            -2
            Jesus tells

            This is a flight.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 2 November 2020 00: 33 New
            +5
            What is flight? ))
            Jesus preaches Judaism, close to the interpretation of Rabbi Hillel (there was such a great interpreter of the Tanakh). I read the New Testament and I perceive the words of Jesus in this way for three reasons:
            1) I know the religion he practiced
            2) I know the language (s) he spoke
            3) I know the mentality of the people from which Jesus came
            Therefore, like any Jew who has become acquainted with the Gospels, I have a different view of the meaning of His teaching. hi
  • Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 2 November 2020 09: 00 New
    -4
    Reread the Old Testament - there Jesus talks about the next world

    Jesus was a shoemaker. Rumor and fabulous bibles made him an idol. 70 bibles have been written and now someone is composing another one. Which one do you recommend reading?
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 2 November 2020 09: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Alex Justice
      Reread the Old Testament - there Jesus talks about the next world

      Jesus was a shoemaker. Rumor and fabulous bibles made him an idol

      Actually, in earthly life, Jesus was a CARPENTER. Yes, with such knowledge, a religious scholar will definitely not work out of you. Don't insult the feelings of the Believers.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 10: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Alex Justice
      Reread the Old Testament - there Jesus talks about the next world

      Jesus was a shoemaker. Rumor and fabulous bibles made him an idol. 70 bibles have been written and now someone is composing another one. Which one do you recommend reading?

      Four canonical - even if you are an atheist, they are the source of a huge layer of modern culture
  • Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 2 November 2020 09: 20 New
    -3
    Why should we listen to the son of a shoemaker? I'll watch a movie better, more benefit.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 10: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Alex Justice
      Why should we listen to the son of a shoemaker? I'll watch a movie better, more benefit.

      The son of a carpenter.
      1. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 2 November 2020 10: 32 New
        0
        Right, wrong. The difference is not great.
  • Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 1 November 2020 23: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: DED_peer_DED
    A Russian Orthodox person believes in an afterlife, believes in paradise. Try this, kill.

    The Soviet people did not believe in Orthodoxy. There were many atheists. They did not know any paradise except the Motherland. Well, Friedrich's phrase that it is not enough to kill a Russian, you still need to knock down the dead, is not a recognition of the existence of 2 lives or the advantage of the Orthodox faith ...
    And why believe in a second life? It is necessary to make sure that the enemies die for their homeland, and not their soldiers.
    Or did the Russians not deserve to live their first life? Need to die and die again?
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 23: 28 New
      -3
      Quote: Niel-le-Calais
      Soviet people did not believe in Orthodoxy

      I agree. But, I can please you, even those who did not believe in paradise, all one could get into it.
      How to be there without Nikolai Kuznetsov, Ivan Kozhedub, Mikhail Dyavyatayev, Yuri Gagarin, Arseny Motorola, Alex Zakharov, Uncle Misha Kalashnikov and many other saints?
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 1 November 2020 23: 36 New
        0
        Quote: DED_peer_DED
        How to be there without Nikolai Kuznetsov, Ivan Kozhedub, Mikhail Dyavyataev, Yuri Gagarin, Arseny Motorola, Alex Zakharov, Uncle Misha Kalashnikov and many other saints.

        There was a topic on VO
        The war was won by the communists and atheists.(VO 2011)
        So they went into battle and to death with the words not "God is with us", not For the Tsar and the Fatherland ...
        and not even for the glory of Christ / faith and other sectarian things.
        Even if they believed, the main idea was not faith, but an idea. The idea of ​​the country / homeland.
        And do not confuse the great people of the USSR with the people whom the USSR would have put up against the wall.
        The Soviet heroes did not deserve to be with him.
        And in general, neither faith, nor religion, nor idea will help if you can resist progress in military affairs with your bare hands. Trust in God, do not make a mistake!
        1. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 23: 40 New
          +1
          So they went into battle and to death with the words not "God is with us", not For the Tsar and the Fatherland ...

          And do not confuse the great people of the USSR with the people whom the USSR would have put up against the wall.

          Please, list which of those mentioned by you do you mean. I want to understand if the enemy or friend is near. Sorry.
      2. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 2 November 2020 09: 22 New
        -1
        I can please you, even those who did not believe in paradise, all one could get into it.
        How to be there without Nikolai Kuznetsov, Ivan Kozhedub, Mikhail Dyavyatayev, Yuri Gagarin, Arseny Motorola, Alex Zakharov, Uncle Misha Kalashnikov and many other saints?

        Can smoke and visit the listed ones :)
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 1 November 2020 22: 27 New
    +4
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: voyaka uh
    America is liberal through and through, but its army is very professional.
    Israel is the same.

    Are you professionally able to knead a lying person with a crowd? Help terrorists?
    I do not argue.
    But, for example, the liberal-professional American army, um ..., was afraid to touch North Korea.

    What terrorists? Hezbollah? Islamic Jihad? Hamas? Also tell the combat battalions of the Syrian-legal Nazis from the SSNP fighting for Assad lol
  • vitvit123
    vitvit123 1 November 2020 22: 38 New
    +1
    America? Liberal? I can't say anything about Israel, because I don’t want to think, but I don’t need to think about America ...
  • vlad.baryatinsky
    vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 20: 00 New
    +6
    By itself, the idea of ​​liberalism is not criminal.
    But! Unfortunately, in the post-Soviet space, it was also perverted by a large part of the population; it is associated with a betrayal of national interests.
    And unfortunately, it tends to be negative.
  • denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 1 November 2020 19: 54 New
    +4
    Quote: Operator
    Shoigu - buy Bayraktars am

    "today you are a drone" ..., a man and a clunker. lol
  • SaLaR
    SaLaR 1 November 2020 19: 55 New
    +3
    As in the dash ... only the targets are alive
    1. vlad.baryatinsky
      vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 20: 16 New
      +3
      Hello!
      Quote: SaLaR
      As in the dash ... only the targets are alive

      Unfortunately, you're right, no matter how cynical it sounds (I don't mean you).
      All this leads to a banal * beating * of the personnel.
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 1 November 2020 20: 06 New
    +5
    "Like targets in exercises": experts assessed footage of Azerbaijani strikes against Armenian positions

    Air defense systems were knocked out - new ones were not delivered - the result is in such videos (UAVs are already chasing infantry in the trenches)
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 1 November 2020 20: 08 New
    -1
    There all of Karabakh is like one training target.
    1. vlad.baryatinsky
      vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 20: 39 New
      0
      Hello!
      Quote: Vadim237
      There all of Karabakh is like one training target.

      That's it!
      And I wanted to add news to the fairness of your comment.
      Israel donated Az. * harpy *, barrage of ammunition of the IAI Harpy family. As you may have guessed for testing.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 November 2020 20: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
        As you may have guessed for testing.

        ??
        He's old, in 1989 the first flight
        1. vlad.baryatinsky
          vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 20: 47 New
          +2
          Hello!
          Maybe you're right.
          I dare not argue.
          Quote: Spade
          He's old, in 1989 the first flight

          I only proceeded from the information published two weeks ago by Al-Jazeera.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 1 November 2020 21: 02 New
            +4
            Quote: vlad.baryatinsky

            I only proceeded from the information published two weeks ago by Al-Jazeera.

            That is still an office.
            Apparently, we are talking about "Harop", and about those bought by Azerbaijan for a long time. And first used against Armenians in 2016
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 November 2020 22: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
          As you may have guessed for testing.

          ??
          He's old, in 1989 the first flight

          Harop?
          2003 first flight
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 November 2020 20: 46 New
        +3
        Someone at one time said that soon the ammunition for drones would run out, but alas, in Turkey, apparently, the conveyor was launched for their production long ago
        1. vlad.baryatinsky
          vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 21: 08 New
          +1
          Hello!
          Quote: Vadim237
          Someone at one time said that soon the ammunition for drones would run out

          Dear!
          If you meant me !?
          Must disappoint. I didn't make such a conclusion from the word * at all *.
        2. farm2009
          farm2009 1 November 2020 22: 05 New
          -3
          As soon as the ammunition runs out. I am personally sure of this. Precision weapons are being produced too slowly. And it still needs to be brought to Azerbaijan.
          About the consumption of ammunition during the war.
          https://topwar.ru/108186-hvatit-li-patronov-dlya-voyny.html
          https://topwar.ru/160110-appetit-vojny.html
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 November 2020 00: 43 New
            +2
            These shells will not run out that Azerbaijan has been using, which are cheap and in mass production for a long time.
            1. farm2009
              farm2009 2 November 2020 02: 07 New
              0
              And what about high-precision ammunition, missiles for MLRS that Azerbaijan does not produce? So if the war drags on, there will definitely be problems with ammunition, well, or the intensity of hostilities will have to be reduced. And in general, the firepower of Azerbaijan will fall for many reasons (for example, the Peonies (2s7) have a barrel resource of 400 shots, and there is nowhere to take the barrel and breech end).
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 2 November 2020 12: 52 New
                0
                It seems like Turkey supplies them with everything and the production of missiles for MLRS they have almost all calibers established (for example, the Peonies (2s7) have a barrel resource of 400 shots, and there is nowhere to take the barrel and breech end) What do you think they bought these guns without spare barrels I I am more than sure that they have established the production of shells for them long ago.
                1. farm2009
                  farm2009 2 November 2020 20: 11 New
                  0
                  Turkey has no production of missiles for TOC 1A, 220 caliber for hurricane, 300 mm for tornado. Well, the spare trunks will be used up next, where can I get new ones? And the replacement of the barrel and breech is very difficult and time consuming for 2c7. There is no production of 203 mm shells for 2s7 neither in Turkey nor in Azerbaijan, and the production of powder charges for them too. (All ballistic tables are written for a certain projectile weight, and a certain charge power, for western 203 mm guns they are very different from 2s7)
      3. Professor
        Professor 1 November 2020 20: 50 New
        10
        Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
        Hello!
        Quote: Vadim237
        There all of Karabakh is like one training target.

        That's it!
        And I wanted to add news to the fairness of your comment.
        Israel donated Az. * harpy *, barrage of ammunition of the IAI Harpy family. As you may have guessed for testing.

        Israel has a place to test weapons in a combat situation and we sell to solvent clients for money.
        1. vlad.baryatinsky
          vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 02: 42 New
          +1
          Shalom Aleichem!
          Quote: Professor
          Israel has where to test weapons in a combat situation

          I never for a second doubt Israel's ability to test your weapons.
          Quote: Professor
          we sell to solvent clients for money.

          Clearer than clear.
          Israel will not miss the benefits of Az. For example, a complete carte blanche on the border with Iran ?!
          Dear!
          I did not comment on the news about your supplies as a reproach.
          Everything is legal!
          There is no embargo, which means there are no risks for Israel to face condemnation of its actions.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 1 November 2020 20: 26 New
    +4
    Quote: atalef

    Are the Armenian generals the same liberals?
    Or does the Pashinyan not let them fight?

    And what, their generals are irreplaceable and exist regardless of the situation in the country?
    Liberastia cleaned the Armenian generals and defenses like a hungry moth wool.
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 November 2020 20: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Tagan
      And what, their generals are irreplaceable and exist regardless of the situation in the country?

      check out - google help.
      Who is the minister. who is the chief of the general staff.
      David Edgarovich Tonoyan (Armenian Դավիթ Էդգարի Տոնոյան, born December 27, 1967, Ust-Kamenogorsk) is an Armenian politician, Minister of Defense of Armenia since May 10, 2018 in the government of Nikol Pashinyan. In 2010-2016 - First Deputy Minister of Defense of Armenia, in 2017-2018 - Head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of Armenia [1].
      Movses Hakobyan (Armenian Մովսես Հակոբյան; born February 4, 1965, Chartar village, Martuni district, NKAO, USSR) - Armenian military leader, Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia from September 3, 2016 to May 24, 2018. Colonel General (2017). Defense Minister of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (2007-2015).

      Quote: Tagan
      Liberastia cleaned the Armenian generals and defenses like a hungry moth wool.

      quickly their generals changed their colors. Maybe that's why they fight like this laughing
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 1 November 2020 20: 33 New
    +2
    A question of pure commercial interest repeat to knowledgeable people here on VO! drinks

    A portable installation, kg 8-12, which would allow any trained soldier to "jam" any drone that flies overhead - how much could it cost "on a market day"? )))

    I ask out of the interest that I am now getting a job, but I was thinking - shouldn't I organize mass production of such "pieces"? ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 November 2020 20: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: Corona without virus
      that I now get a job, but I was thinking - and not to organize the mass production of such "pieces"? ...

      of course to establish, just find the chairman.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 1 November 2020 20: 35 New
    0
    And in Syria, this bezidel with the UAV was suppressed in a couple of weeks! I wonder why and how? From the sect, the UAV is a new vyderfavlya, will not explain what happened?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 1 November 2020 21: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      And in Syria, this bezidel with the UAV was suppressed in a couple of weeks! I wonder why and how? From the sect, the UAV is a new vyderfavlya, will not explain what happened?

      Not quite so, if you are talking about the UAV attack on Russian bases, then handicraft drones took part there and they were shot down like in a shooting range.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 November 2020 22: 07 New
        0
        I'm not talking about this case, I'm talking about the attacks of militants on the Syrian Army with the support of a Turkish UAV with the coordination of attacks through an AWACS aircraft or radio intelligence, which hung in the sky for days in Turkey. hi
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 November 2020 22: 54 New
          +2
          The chaos ended there in one very limited area, where a large number of air defenses were concentrated. There was a local success in the offensive, the Syrians moved the cheto there, then stopped, because throughout Idlib, such a concentration of air defense means could not be achieved, and the province remained in the hands of the Turks.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 1 November 2020 23: 26 New
            0
            Good night! If you look at the front of the Babakhs and Azerijans, they are compatible. The front of the offensive is from the force of the battalion. UAVs do not bother me, this is for the wars of the banana republics. Except for strategic UAVs. I am worried about actions at night, with modern ik devices day and night there is no difference. my work is a maximum of three days without sleep, I am not responsible for myself. And then the war. hi
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 1 November 2020 23: 38 New
              +3
              Good night! hi
              The UAV allows for a high-quality adjustment of artillery fire, provide information on enemy movements and prevent the delivery of equipment and reinforcements to the front line, at the same time knocking out absolutely any air defense. Does the action bother you at night? )) Well ... during the Second World War, these were our biplanes for the Germans - they made "coffee makers" ", with less efficiency, of course, but the guards were forbidden even to smoke cigarettes in the trenches laughing This has been going on for a long time))
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 1 November 2020 23: 51 New
                0
                I have already voiced someone else's thought, the means of detecting air defense are located outside the radius of destruction of the UAV. From there, a command is given and target designation to divisional air defense. The enemy only sees missiles already flying towards him. We are now achieving this in air defense. Electronic warfare is a good thing, but its capabilities are not At the extreme, you can bang towards the enemy with tactical ammunition, check the stability of his equipment on EMP.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 2 November 2020 00: 18 New
                  +2
                  Yes, there are already non-nuclear EMPs. Everything is being made easier - at the beginning of the war, aviation must destroy all the enemy's airborne and control aircraft, all over-the-horizon radars, all available and detected drone control points, if possible - enemy satellites)).
  • Flavius
    Flavius 1 November 2020 20: 35 New
    +2
    And what the experts do not say that this is a guided missile? Which at a cost is not 3 ordinary ... If an artillery shot at target designation (laser) from a UAV there is at least 20 thousand dollars. But more like a mine.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 November 2020 20: 50 New
      +4
      This mini bomb of thousands of $ 6 is worth the maximum.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 1 November 2020 20: 52 New
      +4
      This is not a projectile, but a rocket. Guided missile from a drone.
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 1 November 2020 20: 35 New
    +4
    As in the dash it is. With almost complete absence of opposition, in "laboratory" conditions - the expected effect of the use of high-tech, high-precision, modern combat systems. In my memory, this is the first massive use of UAVs against a regular army. Point strikes on barmaley do not count. (If I'm wrong - correct, I'm not an expert). In this regard, "who is supposed to" are already tightly occupied with the problem. The other day, a deep-layered defense exercise of the Russian air defense was held. I have always been amazed at the application of the derogatory definition of "limitrophe" exclusively to the Baltic countries. Why is Armenia and Azerbaijan better, cooler, more independent? Azerbaijan called on its "elder brother" and it looks like it was right. Pashinyan rode Russophobia for two years, what's next ???
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 November 2020 20: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander Kopychev
      With almost complete absence of opposition, in "laboratory" conditions - the expected effect of the use of high-tech, high-precision, modern combat systems.

      the same as the videoconferencing in Syria - only there in general on carts.
      Quote: Alexander Kopychev
      In my memory, this is the first massive use of UAVs against a regular army.

      and the results are obvious.
      Quote: Alexander Kopychev
      Point strikes on barmaley do not count. (If I'm wrong - correct, I'm not an expert)

      you are not mistaken
      Pashinyan rode Russophobia for two years, what's next ???

      Yes, it’s your happiness that Pashinyan turned out to be like that, maybe from a military point of view, nothing would have changed (the drone doesn’t give a damn about the liberal Pashinyan or not 0. But you would definitely have nothing to blame.
      Although they would probably have called the Armenians Papuans and that would have ended.
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      2. Alexander Kopychev
        Alexander Kopychev 1 November 2020 20: 56 New
        +8
        but you would definitely have nothing to blame.
        Although they would probably have called the Armenians Papuans and that would have ended.

        In vain do you consider my comment as "... pitiful babble of excuses ...". I am not going to look for the cause of the defeat, it is obvious - the first massive combat use of a UAV. I appreciated the advanced experience of Azerbaijan. In this regard, I only care about one thing - how quickly the Russian defense industry will find an antidote.
        1. atalef
          atalef 1 November 2020 20: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Kopychev
          In this regard, I only care about one thing - how quickly the Russian defense industry will find an antidote.

          generals are always ready for the past wars.
          1. Alexander Kopychev
            Alexander Kopychev 1 November 2020 21: 00 New
            +6
            Please do not flatter, the war is still burning, but I would prefer to start talking about it in the past tense as soon as possible.
            1. atalef
              atalef 1 November 2020 21: 02 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Kopychev
              Please do not flatter, the war is still in full swing, but I would prefer to start talking about it in the past tense as soon as possible.

              Yes, I'm not joking. Generals always have someone to blame.
              1. Alexander Kopychev
                Alexander Kopychev 1 November 2020 21: 06 New
                +4
                At the Armenian generals, it is possible that they urgently shake off the adhered hair from the shoulder straps. And what is the Russian reason?
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 November 2020 21: 58 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Kopychev
          the first massive combat use of UAVs

          For Armenians in 2016.
          1. Alexander Kopychev
            Alexander Kopychev 1 November 2020 22: 03 New
            +1
            I honestly answer - I have not seen, have not heard, I don’t know, I don’t remember ... I will remember the spectacular shots of Az.Agitprop for the rest of my life. The ball would be a boy - would dream of becoming a UAV operator. laughing Wangyu the emergence of computer games on this topic.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 1 November 2020 22: 11 New
              +3
              After those events, the local Israelis declared the kamikaze drones to be the new wunderwaffe.

              However, Azerbaijanis scratched their turnips and took a step back. To much cheaper ammunition with LGSN
              1. Alexander Kopychev
                Alexander Kopychev 1 November 2020 22: 31 New
                0
                Quote: Spade
                After those events, the local Israelis declared the kamikaze drones to be the new wunderwaffe.

                The tablet is a matter of time ... The war of technology however. Only "not only everyone" will not get a magic pill. Let them first decide who to be friends with, whom to trust ... Globalism is a cruel reality, it's time to understand. I accidentally wrote poetry ... laughing
    2. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 1 November 2020 21: 24 New
      +3
      Whose motorcade was destroyed on the way to Martuni?
      "On October 31, at 17:00, during the aerial observation of the area, the movement of a military motorcade in the Khojavend direction was recorded." Azeri Defense Ministry reported this to Azeri Defense Ministry

      “Several vehicles of the convoy and personnel were destroyed by an aimed and combined fire strike from aviation and artillery,” the message says.
      1. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 1 November 2020 23: 32 New
        -6
        When will Turkey end as a state, who will we sing to?
  • Cetron
    Cetron 1 November 2020 20: 48 New
    +4
    Drones - the level of aviation of the first half of the 20th century (in terms of speed and flight altitude). Only with a modern filling, which means that the opposition must be appropriate. It is necessary to reanimate large-caliber anti-aircraft artillery, of course with modern PUAZO. The rupture of a pair of anti-aircraft shells near the drone will not leave the latter any chance. A volley of anti-aircraft guns is clearly cheaper than fancy Drones!
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 1 November 2020 20: 51 New
    +7
    The video does not show artillery strikes,
    and missile hits from drones.
    Even with careful adjustment of firing, artillery shells
    give a spread of 50-100 meters. Defeat is achieved by several shells.
    The rocket is guided by infrared radiation or by laser guidance.
    And KVO does not exceed one meter.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 1 November 2020 21: 14 New
      0
      In other videos, I saw a similar bomb falling a couple of times, it is not clear if it was the one and why it was thrown)

    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 November 2020 21: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Even with careful adjustment of firing, artillery shells
      give a spread of 50-100 meters.

      ?????
  • Tagan
    Tagan 1 November 2020 20: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef

    quickly their generals changed their colors. Maybe that's why they fight like this laughing

    But how! You need to keep your nose downwind)))
  • Trojan_wolf
    Trojan_wolf 1 November 2020 20: 57 New
    10
    By the way, the Armenians do not really run to fight, a specific case, a young Armenian works in Samara in the market, they called from home, a summons came, his words in response, if they attack Armenia itself, I will go to fight, and so, sorry. In one word, I ignored it, but in a private conversation said that Karabakh is just a land, and alien to me, like Mozambique to you. As they say, what I bought ...
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 1 November 2020 23: 01 New
      +3
      I also heard this from a Krasnodar Armenian
  • podval57
    podval57 1 November 2020 20: 57 New
    +1
    "Massacre of babies"
  • donavi49
    donavi49 1 November 2020 21: 08 New
    +5
    The main video was not added. Here they conducted some VIPs and worked thoroughly. They threw another cassette on top. And then they finished off the leaving cars, including a loaf of pills. They write that this is Harutyunyan's motorcade - but not a fact. However, clearly not ordinary people rode along the composition of the column.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 1 November 2020 22: 22 New
      -2
      Colleague hi ,
      I would send those who plunder Russia and its Armed Forces to such a column with the ends.
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 1 November 2020 21: 12 New
    16
    But while the Armenians are surrendering Karabakh, in Volgograd another murder of a Russian by an Armenian family due to a dispute in a school chat:
    "Colleagues of realtor Roman Grebenyuk, who received a fatal blow because of a quarrel in a parental chat, demand that the sister of the arrested Arsen Melkonyan be brought to justice."
    https://v1.ru/text/gorod/69525263/
    It is interesting that the Armenians are in no hurry to defend their Karabakh, because there they can hit on the hat. It is much safer to beat a Russian, a single father to death.
    1. Garris199
      Garris199 1 November 2020 22: 01 New
      +6
      Throw these creatures, the whole family from the plane in Karabakh to the rear of the Azerbaijani army.
  • genisis
    genisis 1 November 2020 21: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: pexotinec
    There is more Turkey fighting than Azerbaijan.

    what the hell?
    AZERBAIJAN IS FIRING - IT IS JUST HARD FOR YOU TO RECOGNIZE.

    Until now, there has been a tendency to admire the extraordinary ability of Azerbaijani attack drones to detect and neutralize Armenian military targets in a single mission. This is incorrect, because it is the Turkish army that is responsible for detecting Armenian ground and air targets, and then reports their GPS coordinates to Azerbaijani combat drones.

    Hours before President Recep Tayyip Erdogan spoke on the phone with Russian President Vladimir Putin, an extremely interesting video appeared on social media, attributed to the Armenian Defense Ministry. It explains how the Turkish army locates Armenian military targets and how they transmit their coordinates to Azerbaijani drones. On the map above, we see the path of the Turkish E-7A AEW aircraft flying 30-40 km from the border with Armenia.
    The Turkish army has 4 E-7A AEW, Boeing 737 aircraft on which Northrop has installed a fixed L-band (1-2 GHz) radar antenna, rather than a rotating antenna like the E-3 AWACS.

    When flying the E-7A at an altitude of 9000 m, the radar can track 180 targets and has a detection range of air targets of 600 km. ELINT (Electronic Signals Intelligence) equipment uses the same antenna and can detect enemy radars at a distance of up to 850 km. The E-7A AEW is similar to the Russian Beriev A-100 (equipped with Vega Premier radar) and is used as a flying command post.

    At the same time, the E-7A AEW is an information technology center transmitting and receiving tactical, air and ground situations to pilots in their aircraft and units on the ground. Though overlooked, MESA (Multi-Role Electronically-Scanned Array) radar can also detect armored vehicles or warships up to 180-240 km away. It is believed that the E-7A aircraft began aerial reconnaissance several months before the start of the Azerbaijani invasion. Thus, the General Staff of the Turkish army had on the map the location of the Armenian heavy weapons in Nagorno-Karabakh.
    Subsequently, supplementing the operation map with reinforcements placed by Armenia before the war. the headquarters of the Turkish army had on the map the location of all Armenian heavy weapons in Nagorno-Karabakh by the beginning of hostilities.

    The video also shows that at the suggestion of Turkey, the Azerbaijani military organized air zones using unmanned aerial vehicles, like the American military in Iraq and Afghanistan. In order to reduce the reaction time to hitting a target. The map also shows the service area in Zone 1, which contains a standing Azeri reconnaissance and attack drone ready to intervene. The area is located on the border with Armenia, in close proximity to the Russian military base 102, in Gyumri and Yerevan, where the Russian airbase 3624 and the 988th S-300V4 missile regiment are located. Before attacking Armenian targets in Nagorno-Karabakh from service areas No. 2 and No. 3, Azerbaijani attack drones receive the coordinates of these targets, sent by the E-7A AEW aircraft.

    In my opinion, there is no such powerful electronic intelligence equipment in Armenia to carry out such a thorough analysis. Russia, most likely, thanks to the equipment of the 102nd military base in Gyumri, received this information and passed it on to Armenia. President Erdogan will certainly reflect on the fact that Putin knows everything he does, not just what he says.

    Original article in French
    https://reseauinternational.net/larmenie-veut-entrer-dans-lotan-malgre-les-destructions-que-celle-ci-lui-fait-subir-dans-le-haut-karabakh/
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 November 2020 21: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: genisis
      and a few hours before President Recep Tayyip Erdogan spoke on the phone with Russian President Vladimir Putin, an extremely interesting video appeared on social networks, attributed to the Ministry of Defense of Armenia. It explains how the Turkish army detects Armenian military targets

      Quote: genisis
      and in my opinion, there is no such powerful electronic intelligence equipment in Armenia to carry out such a thorough analysis. Russia, most likely, thanks to the equipment of the 102nd military base in Gyumri, preceived this information and transmitted it to Armenia

      and what directly to Putin the command of the base could not tell 7 it was necessary through the social network of Armenians?
      And in general - how did it help?
      I'm not talking about a simple thing
      1. genisis
        genisis 1 November 2020 22: 00 New
        0
        You read the author. There is a link to the original.
        Through social networks, the Armenians demonstrated that they have information from the means of objective control about the flights of Turkish aviation. The author writes that Armenians do not have their own means to obtain this information. From this he concludes that this information was given to the Armenians by the Russians.
        1. atalef
          atalef 1 November 2020 22: 04 New
          0
          Quote: genisis
          Through social networks, the Armenians demonstrated that they have information from the means of objective control about the flights of the Turkish aviation

          So what ?
          Quote: genisis
          From this he concludes that this information was given to the Armenians by the Russians.

          and what ? Why did you transfer it? what would the Armenians tell the Russians? Well, they told ... so what?
          1. genisis
            genisis 1 November 2020 22: 20 New
            -4
            The article describes how the Turkish Armed Forces identify targets on the territory of Artsakh, transmit coordinates to Azerbaijani drones and organize tactics for their use.
            That is, they directly participate in hostilities on the side of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces.
            I understand that your “and what? and what?" caused by the fact that in Israel they already know it, but have not seen you write about it before.
            I think the information presented in the article will be of interest to VO users.
            If your violent reaction is caused by the fact that I responded to your comment, then I will explain that the use and use of drones in the theater of operations is carried out by the Turkish army, not the Azerbaijani army.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 1 November 2020 22: 03 New
    0
    People never draw conclusions!
    So many soldiers have lost, so much equipment, they have also lost territory, but Pashinyan continues to burn out the light of democracy in power!
    Well, well, hold on to him, he will not do that much!
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 1 November 2020 22: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Kopychev
    Azerbaijan called on its "elder brother" and it looks like it was right.
    Sorry, but in the case of "older brother" you are mistaken. The richest real, combat experience of using attack UAVs is only in the United States and Israel, neither we, Russia, nor Turkey have experience of this scale. Only a fool can call the United States the "elder brother" of Azerbaijan.

    So experience, training, licensed technology and own production of drone UAVs are Israel, Israel and Israel again. Jews have been living in Azerbaijan for a long time, and until recently Azerbaijan is one of the few Muslim states, including a member of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (formerly the Islamic Conference), which has diplomatic, trade and economic relations and military-technical cooperation with the State of Israel. The Jews appreciate this, therefore, they have a question with Azerbaijan not only and not an easy plan "buy-sell". If I am not mistaken, Azerbaijan is also the main supplier of oil to Israel.

    If you are interested, and I recommend it to others, read "Waiting for the Storm" http://cast.ru/upload/iblock/b0a/b0a00906a408158d431afb51cdee7440.pdf

    Quote: Alexander Kopychev
    Pashinyan rode Russophobia for two years, what's next ???
    The point is not only in Pashinyan, although it was he who, with his actions, overflowed the cup of our patience. Aliyev should present him for the award, but Pashinyan really resolves his issues through the surrender of Karabakh and is clearly not working for Azerbaijan.
    It is a pity for the Armenians, but if they continue to follow Pashinyan, we are unlikely to stop Azerbaijan, if in response to the shelling of its troops and settlements from the territory of Armenia, considering this as an aggression, now Azerbaijan will break through the security corridor to Nakhichevan. This will close access to Iran through the territory of Armenia, making it uninteresting for the United States. Azerbaijan will snatch more sanctions from the Americans and possibly Europeans, which will also not contribute to pro-Western sentiments, Aliyev will strengthen his power with victories, the pro-Western and pro-Turkish opposition will have no chance in the next one and a half to two decades.
    1. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 2 November 2020 00: 03 New
      0
      By "big brother" I mean exclusively Turkey
      It is a pity for the Armenians, but if they continue to follow Pashinyan, we are unlikely to stop Azerbaijan, if in response to the shelling of its troops and settlements from the territory of Armenia, considering this as an aggression, now Azerbaijan will break through the security corridor to Nakhichevan.

      This is the worst scenario for Armenia and Russia. I cannot imagine yet what should happen that Aliyev would lose his mind.
      1. Peter rybak
        Peter rybak 2 November 2020 17: 05 New
        0
        And what does Russia have to do with it?
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 1 November 2020 22: 17 New
    +1
    And, which is typical - on the presented photos, some are neat, smoothed, freshly shaved, and others are tattered, shaggy, unpitched ... On the face are tendentiously selected articles, definitely.
  • certero
    certero 1 November 2020 22: 38 New
    0
    And what does the war of the last century have to do with it?
    Quote: Trojan_Wolf
    Some were preparing for the war of the last century, others for the war of the present

    But where does the war of the last century? In war, just lazy sucks. When the Chinese fought in Korea against the UN forces, which had complete air superiority, they were not lazy. And they dug two-story trenches.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 November 2020 23: 49 New
      +1
      This comparison is not relevant now.
  • huntsman650
    huntsman650 1 November 2020 22: 55 New
    0
    https://rusvesna.su/news/1604251937
    This is how ares behave in Russia. Killed a Russian in a savings bank, Volgograd.
  • rubin6286
    rubin6286 1 November 2020 22: 55 New
    0
    You can "procrastinate" as much as you like about the fact that "while one was preparing for war, the other was smoking." We need to think about something else: Pashinyan began consultations on Moscow's position on Armenia's defense capabilities. He wants Russia to take over the protection of Armenia's airspace. The fact is that the Armed Forces of Armenia use MLRS and tactical missiles directly from their territory to defeat targets in Karabakh and Azerbaijan. The use of Russian air defense systems will make it impossible for Azerbaijan to retaliate. This is how the “soroset” initiates the further development of the conflict between Azerbaijan and Turkey with Russia. Russia recalled its obligations under the CSTO joint defense treaty, but the media reported on the recent dispatch of American observers from Scandinavian countries to Karabakh. After them the American "peacekeepers" will come and we will get a "second Kosovo", only much closer to our borders. The Americans will “buy” Aliyev and Azerbaijan will leave the CSTO and may even join NATO, however, like Armenia, and it is not known which of them will be earlier. As a result, an alliance of states hostile to Russia will emerge in the Caucasus. I think that our President and the Security Council are already racking their brains over the current situation. It seems to me that we should work more actively with political forces and specific figures holding a pro-Russian position, not excluding the removal and elimination of a number of politicians. Just not to be late ... ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 November 2020 00: 45 New
      0
      None of this will happen.
    2. karpusha
      karpusha 2 November 2020 01: 33 New
      -1
      Nobody breaks his head. They just think about how else to make money on this. C400 was sold to a potential enemy, they probably think that something else can be sold.
    3. AĞGURD
      AĞGURD 2 November 2020 04: 39 New
      0
      Be sure [media = http: //]
    4. AĞGURD
      AĞGURD 2 November 2020 04: 48 New
      0
      you have to tell this about something
    5. AĞGURD
      AĞGURD 2 November 2020 08: 31 New
      0
      Quote: rubin6286
      You can "procrastinate" as much as you like about the fact that "while one was preparing for war, the other was smoking." We need to think about something else: Pashinyan began consultations on Moscow's position on Armenia's defense capabilities. He wants Russia to take over the protection of Armenia's airspace. The fact is that the Armed Forces of Armenia use MLRS and tactical missiles directly from their territory to defeat targets in Karabakh and Azerbaijan. The use of Russian air defense systems will make it impossible for Azerbaijan to retaliate. This is how the “soroset” initiates the further development of the conflict between Azerbaijan and Turkey with Russia. Russia recalled its obligations under the CSTO joint defense treaty, but the media reported on the recent dispatch of American observers from Scandinavian countries to Karabakh. After them the American "peacekeepers" will come and we will get a "second Kosovo", only much closer to our borders. The Americans will “buy” Aliyev and Azerbaijan will leave the CSTO and may even join NATO, however, like Armenia, and it is not known which of them will be earlier. As a result, an alliance of states hostile to Russia will emerge in the Caucasus. I think that our President and the Security Council are already racking their brains over the current situation. It seems to me that we should work more actively with political forces and specific figures holding a pro-Russian position, not excluding the removal and elimination of a number of politicians. Just not to be late ... ..

      I am amazed ... why you Russians never see us Azerbaijanis, do not hear, or Armenians are so strong that your eyes, ears, hands can scream ...!?
      1. AĞGURD
        AĞGURD 2 November 2020 08: 44 New
        -1
        you don't know us well
      2. rubin6286
        rubin6286 2 November 2020 11: 02 New
        +1
        We know you, Azerbaijanis and Armenians well. Your leaders can be "bought". This is already happening and the peoples have nothing to do with it. Russia’s interest is that it’s quiet on its borders and no one else “adhered” to our neighbors (USA, England, Turkey, Israel, Iran, etc.), but they have such a desire. We need to get rid of “unwanted” leaders. Today it is called international terrorism, but it is in politics. And not in politics? Remember history. That's what I mean.
        1. AĞGURD
          AĞGURD 2 November 2020 20: 31 New
          0
          Quote: rubin6286
          We know you, Azerbaijanis and Armenians well. Your leaders can be "bought". This is already happening and the peoples have nothing to do with it. Russia’s interest is that it’s quiet on its borders and no one else “adhered” to our neighbors (USA, England, Turkey, Israel, Iran, etc.), but they have such a desire. We need to get rid of “unwanted” leaders. Today it is called international terrorism, but it is in politics. And not in politics? Remember history. That's what I mean.

          Greetings ... and what part of the story do you want to remind me ... well, or remembered, and what do you mean.?
    6. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 2 November 2020 17: 09 New
      +1
      What is this nonsense? Forgive me for God's sake.
      Recently it was reported that the US is considering the option of introducing Scandinavian peacekeepers to Karabakh. They are considering, and it is not a fact that this is possible. Azerbaijan is not a member of the CSTO. Based on these two facts, everything that you have written cannot be a serious conversation.
      Have you participated in buying and selling leaders of states? Where do such ambitious and illiterate statements come from? I am not on anyone's side, but I read your burden and I feel ashamed of the native speakers. It is the interest of any country to keep quiet on its borders. And in self-respect, self-sufficiency, neither the Azerbaijani, nor the Chinese, nor the Tajik people are in any way inferior to the Russian. Any state decides for itself with whom it is on the way, and with whom it is not. And not everyone likes it. Hence the wars and political calculations of the so-called "masters of the world."
      Do not think down on someone if you yourself have not yet found self-sufficiency.
      1. rubin6286
        rubin6286 2 November 2020 20: 27 New
        +1
        I am a military man and I live in a country that was recently called the USSR, where both Armenians and Azerbaijanis lived in a fraternal family of 15 Soviet republics in peace and friendship. For all of us, Russians, they are not strangers and are still ours. Your rantings about the "self-sufficiency of peoples", their "self-respect" "the right to choose their own path" I perceive as demagoguery. The people are a herd, they need to be led. The clever shepherd will lead the flock to the pasture, the stupid one - to the abyss. The shepherd is hired and he will lead the flock wherever the one who pays tells him. I will repeat again - the peoples have nothing to do with it, they do not want to fight. Who, then, is fighting? The one to whom, as you wrote, the "masters of the world" are paying for it, is fighting. Russia does not like the events in Karabakh and I wrote that urgent measures should be taken. What kind? In our state, there is someone to decide this, but you need to do it promptly. "Shepherds", being self-sufficient, can escape from the righteous wrath of the peoples. This cannot be allowed.
    7. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 2 November 2020 22: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: rubin6286
      The Americans will “buy” Aliyev and Azerbaijan will leave the CSTO and may even join NATO, however, like Armenia, and it is not known which of them will be earlier.

      I apologize, Viktor Vilenovich, but Azerbaijan is not a member of the CSTO. The organization is represented by 6 countries - Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia and Tajikistan. NATO, of course, dreams of settling down with access to the Caspian, but Azerbaijan is unlikely to agree to this, since this will mean extremely spoiled relations with Russia and Iran, on which the economy of the republic is not weakly tied, besides, in this NATU it is necessary to unfasten 2% of GDP, which is better spent on your army than on American muddles. Investments in the modernization of the army made by Baku in recent years, it must be admitted on the example of the current conflict, have shown not weak efficiency. Neutral status for Azerbaijan, given its geographic location, is the best option. But with this dull Pashinyan, it's really not that simple.
      1. rubin6286
        rubin6286 3 November 2020 00: 12 New
        +1
        Dmitry! I clearly wrote about the meeting of the chiefs of staff of the CSTO countries shown on Russian TV. Azerbaijan is not a member of the CSTO. but it has its observers there, Armenia is a member of the CSTO. but its representatives are not there now. If Russia does not take the measures I wrote about in a timely manner, others will take them. We will get political leaders in the states of this region, non-Russian orientation, i.e. not just "bought", but long ago "lured". Everything goes to this. Force still dictates the law. You will be strong. no one next to you will twitch anywhere and will not utter anything. Japan after 1939 realized this and in 1941 did not enter the war, and neither did Turkey. Where did Bandera, Shukhevych, Trotsky, Lyushkov go, remember. Stalin knew what he was doing. For some reason, Russia decided that with the collapse of the USSR it would be able to tie the economically former union republics to itself. Life shows that these illusions must be abandoned.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 3 November 2020 10: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: rubin6286
          Azerbaijan is not a member of the CSTO. but it has its observers there,

          I don’t argue here. hi
  • Old26
    Old26 2 November 2020 00: 37 New
    +6
    Quote: rubin6286
    Azerbaijan will leave the CSTO

    And he is not in the CSTO anyway
    1. rubin6286
      rubin6286 2 November 2020 11: 06 New
      0
      Just yesterday, Russian TV showed a meeting of the CSTO chiefs of staff, where representatives of Russia and Azerbaijan sat side by side.
  • bald
    bald 2 November 2020 01: 29 New
    0
    This is the result of politics.
  • AĞGURD
    AĞGURD 2 November 2020 03: 54 New
    0
    Quote: SanichSan
    Quote: oleg123219307
    You have to be thieves. They plundered the money allocated for defense, and here are the results.

    and what is this result? what
    Azerbaijan has been poking around with the self-proclaimed republic and the militia for a month now ... and Armenia is behind the self-proclaimed republic, and Turkey is behind Azerbaijan. all this is done using the most modern means of warfare, according to the Azerbaijanis and some experts, and the result is essentially nothing request for a month there they have been heroically defeating everyone in commercials, and the NKR is still not under its control, and even the foreseeable time for the completion of the operation is not visible.
    are you sure that you are objectively assessing the situation?

    Quote: SanichSan
    Quote: oleg123219307
    You have to be thieves. They plundered the money allocated for defense, and here are the results.

    and what is this result? what
    Azerbaijan has been poking around with the self-proclaimed republic and the militia for a month now ... and Armenia is behind the self-proclaimed republic, and Turkey is behind Azerbaijan. all this is done using the most modern means of warfare, according to the Azerbaijanis and some experts, and the result is essentially nothing request for a month there they have been heroically defeating everyone in commercials, and the NKR is still not under its control, and even the foreseeable time for the completion of the operation is not visible.
    are you sure that you are objectively assessing the situation?

    do you think that armne with the Russian division and with militants and terrorists from different countries in 3 years the conquered lands, a part of which can be said without a fight among the Azerbadans and who have been strengthening, arming themselves, mining skyscrapers for 28 years ... Azerbaijan returned 41% in a month having destroyed :
    , the cost of destroyed and taken as trophies of military equipment of the Armenian Armed Forces exceeded $ 2,7 billion, 259 enemy tanks, 53 tanks captured as war trophies; destroyed 50, captured 29 enemy infantry fighting vehicles, destroyed 256, captured 27 guns of various calibers, destroyed 69 mortars, 85 Grad installations, 3 Smerch installations, 2 Uragan MLRS installations, 2 TOS flamethrowers, 2 promptly - tactical missile system "Elbrus", one tactical missile system "Tochka-U", 41 SAM "Osa", four SAM "Tor", four SAM "Kub", one "Circle", six SAM S-300, 3 S- 125, 256 trucks destroyed, 176 taken as spoils of war
    list of Armenian losses This list contains 5468 names with surnames and dates of birth, in some cases, with photographs and the same number or without documents, or the bodies are not identified (burnt or burnt)
    AND THIS IS YOU CALLING AZERBAIJAN WILDING ....?
  • bald
    bald 2 November 2020 03: 57 New
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    Gevorg, where are your drawings? Do not teach mom, and Rostov is my dad (song) how can you lose your own while alive
  • AĞGURD
    AĞGURD 2 November 2020 04: 10 New
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    Quote: SanichSan
    Quote: oleg123219307
    You have to be thieves. They plundered the money allocated for defense, and here are the results.

    and what is this result? what
    Azerbaijan has been poking around with the self-proclaimed republic and the militia for a month now ... and Armenia is behind the self-proclaimed republic, and Turkey is behind Azerbaijan. all this is done using the most modern means of warfare, according to the Azerbaijanis and some experts, and the result is essentially nothing request for a month there they have been heroically defeating everyone in commercials, and the NKR is still not under its control, and even the foreseeable time for the completion of the operation is not visible.
    are you sure that you are objectively assessing the situation?


    the cost of destroyed and captured military equipment of the Armenian Armed Forces exceeded $ 2,7 billion
    destroyed;
    258 enemy tanks, 53 tanks captured as spoils of war; destroyed 52, captured 29 enemy infantry fighting vehicles, destroyed 272, captured 26 guns of various calibers, destroyed 66 mortars, 84 Grad installations, 3 Smerch installations, 2 Uragan MLRS installations, 2 TOS flamethrowers, 2 promptly - tactical missile system "Elbrus", one tactical missile system "Tochka-U", 42 SAM "Osa", four SAM "Tor", four SAM "Kub", one "Circle", six SAM S-300, 3 S- 125, 246 trucks destroyed, 173 taken as spoils of war [14].

    losses of Armenian manpower in the list of 5468 names with surnames and dates of birth, in some cases, with photographs ... and about 5000 unidentified bodies (burnt, torn, without info)
    1. AĞGURD
      AĞGURD 2 November 2020 04: 19 New
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      Quote: AĞGURD
      Quote: SanichSan
      Quote: oleg123219307
      You have to be thieves. They plundered the money allocated for defense, and here are the results.

      and what is this result? what
      Azerbaijan has been poking around with the self-proclaimed republic and the militia for a month now ... and Armenia is behind the self-proclaimed republic, and Turkey is behind Azerbaijan. all this is done using the most modern means of warfare, according to the Azerbaijanis and some experts, and the result is essentially nothing request for a month there they have been heroically defeating everyone in commercials, and the NKR is still not under its control, and even the foreseeable time for the completion of the operation is not visible.
      are you sure that you are objectively assessing the situation?


      the cost of destroyed and captured military equipment of the Armenian Armed Forces exceeded $ 2,7 billion
      destroyed;
      258 enemy tanks, 53 tanks captured as spoils of war; destroyed 52, captured 29 enemy infantry fighting vehicles, destroyed 272, captured 26 guns of various calibers, destroyed 66 mortars, 84 Grad installations, 3 Smerch installations, 2 Uragan MLRS installations, 2 TOS flamethrowers, 2 promptly - tactical missile system "Elbrus", one tactical missile system "Tochka-U", 42 SAM "Osa", four SAM "Tor", four SAM "Kub", one "Circle", six SAM S-300, 3 S- 125, 246 trucks destroyed, 173 taken as spoils of war [14].

      losses of Armenian manpower in the list of 5468 names with surnames and dates of birth, in some cases, with photographs ... and about 5000 unidentified bodies (burnt, torn, without info)

      the fact that the Armenians with the Russian division and with the militants and theraists conquered some of them for 3 years, we can say without a fight and for 28 years these territories (mountain heights) were fortified, armed, mined,
      Azerbaijan returned 42% in a month
      AND IT'S CALLING PICKING .... ???
  • ratcatcher
    ratcatcher 2 November 2020 04: 25 New
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    "Where, under the action of ordinary gunners -" from the ground "- several artillery shells would be needed to defeat selected targets, in the case of correction by means of a UAV, only one is often required." - that UAVs canceled the oval of dispersion of artillery shells? :)
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 November 2020 12: 59 New
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      No, on the other hand, they have saved quite decently the resources of the Azerbaijani barrel artillery, and also reduced the costs of conventional shells several times.
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 2 November 2020 13: 01 New
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    Quote: obratov
    I had to go to NATO!


    It is understandable why such perverted thoughts began to be voiced.
    There was no need for our Great Pilot to accept the gifts of the Guardian French Danai (Sarkozy) 09.08.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX.
    The dog would be with these Mistrals, but with the half-hearted support of Russia in some negotiations.
    It was necessary to take Tbilisi. Conduct a public trial of elders. And hang Teddy Bear on the banks of the Kura.
    That would be a lesson for any sort of clarification of relations between the former republics of the USSR.
  • Old26
    Old26 2 November 2020 13: 04 New
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    Quote: rubin6286
    Just yesterday, Russian TV showed a meeting of the CSTO chiefs of staff, where representatives of Russia and Azerbaijan sat side by side.

    Perhaps the representative of Azerbaijan was invited. CSTO members are currently
    Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan

    There are observer states at the parliamentary assembly:
    Serbia (since April 11, 2013)
    Afghanistan (since April 11, 2013)

    Former CSTO members:
    Azerbaijan (from 24 September 1993 to 2 April 1999)
    Georgia (from September 9, 1993 to April 2, 1999)
    Uzbekistan (from May 15, 1992 to April 2, 1999, from August 16, 2006 to June 28, 2012
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 2 November 2020 14: 11 New
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    Why rassusolit here a hundred times, everyone has long understood that we need effective means of detecting and destroying small, medium-sized UAVs in the front and front-line zones. Closing the sky for enemy UAVs over positions is now one of the most important tasks in any military conflict. Now such UAVs will arm Ukraine, and that's it, the Donbass with its tanks and Grads. Then Georgia will be fully armed with these drones. And forward to Abkhazia and Ossetia.
  • AĞGURD
    AĞGURD 2 November 2020 20: 46 New
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    Quote: AĞGURD
    Quote: rubin6286
    We know you, Azerbaijanis and Armenians well. Your leaders can be "bought". This is already happening and the peoples have nothing to do with it. Russia’s interest is that it’s quiet on its borders and no one else “adhered” to our neighbors (USA, England, Turkey, Israel, Iran, etc.), but they have such a desire. We need to get rid of “unwanted” leaders. Today it is called international terrorism, but it is in politics. And not in politics? Remember history. That's what I mean.

    Greetings ... and what part of the story do you want to remind me ... well, or remembered, and what do you mean.?

    As for the purchase of leaders ... I don't see any bribery of either the elder Aliyev, or the younger, or Pashnyan, rather Aliyev will buy whoever he wants .. you probably want arguments?
    1. rubin6286
      rubin6286 3 November 2020 08: 54 New
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      The physical elimination or replacement of some political leaders with others, bribery, "feeding" the elites - all this covers the period from antiquity to the present day. If you still haven't seen it, it means that for some reason you don't want to see it. There are no miracles. Remember MV Lomonosov: "Nothing disappears without a trace and does not arise from nothing. Everything has a primary source"
  • roofing hedgehog
    roofing hedgehog 3 November 2020 06: 09 New
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    served in the GSVG. so almost all artillery crews consisted of Azerbaijanis ... that's a fact ..
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 3 November 2020 18: 28 New
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    There is no disguise in engineering and chemists with their fumes, too. There is no one to talk about counter-battery combat.