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American pilots talked about piloting Soviet MiG fighters as part of a secret squadron of Red Eagles

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A material was released in the American media, which presents the testimonies of American pilots who at one time served in a secret squadron. This is a formation of the United States Air Force called the Red Eagles. In the 4477th test squadron, they performed flights, including on Soviet MiGs, which, for various reasons, were at the disposal of the Americans.


American pilots from the Red Eagles squadron talk about piloting Soviet MiG-23 multirole fighters. Test flights to clarify the spectrum of characteristics of Soviet combat aircraft were carried out at a military facility in Nevada with an airfield located on it - Tonopah.

Such test flights were carried out on the basis of the squadron in the 1970s and 80s.

In addition to the MiG-23, American pilots mastered the Soviet MiG-21, as well as the Chinese Chengdu F7. The Chinese Chengdu F7s are a copy of the same MiG-21s produced at that time in the USSR.

One of the main tasks assigned to the American pilots from the "Red Eagles" was to obtain data on how in the future American aircraft to gain advantages over Soviet and Chinese aircraft in the air, what are their main vulnerabilities.

As noted in the American press, in the video presented, some data and flight stories are voiced for the first time in the public domain. In particular, it is reported about three hangars, which at certain stages contained at least seven Soviet MiG-21 and MiG-23.

It also tells that mass flights were practiced on Soviet-designed fighters with imitation of air combat.

It is said that the old program for training American pilots on Soviet and Chinese aircraft was closed in 1988. However, then a new program appeared, in which other fighters were involved, including the MiG-29 and Su-27. Some secret test operations using these aircraft are performed at the Groom Lake Flight Test Center.


American military veteran pilots also talk about how initially piloting Soviet fighters was an extremely unusual activity, but then such piloting made it possible to identify both the strengths and weaknesses of Soviet MiGs.
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  2. deniso
    deniso 1 November 2020 17: 18
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    it only says that our traitorous allies passed on what they received from us to the enemy ... when we understand that we have no real allies and cannot be
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 1 November 2020 17: 24
      +4
      Allies must be kept at the causal place with iron gloves. Otherwise, the enemy will do it and the ally will swim away to the enemy. As Lermontov said: "In friendship, one slave, another master ..."
    2. Trojan_wolf
      Trojan_wolf 1 November 2020 17: 41
      +2
      Russia has only two allies, as Emperor Alexander III said, the army and the navy. I think this is still relevant now.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 1 November 2020 22: 20
        +5
        Quote: Trojan_Wolf
        Russia has only two allies, as Emperor Alexander III said, the army and the navy. I think this is still relevant now.

        And his son Nikolai was betrayed by these two allies. General Alekseev and his comrades arrested the emperor, and no one intervened.
        1. Egor53
          Egor53 3 November 2020 11: 18
          -1
          It was Nicholas II who betrayed the army and navy, not they.
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 1 November 2020 18: 15
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      Quote: denis obuckov
      it only says that our traitorous allies passed on what they received from us to the enemy ... when we understand that we have no real allies and cannot be

      And what prevents our Defense Ministry from having at its disposal samples of aircraft from NATO countries for training our pilots? I think nothing. Apart from the lack of understanding that it would be useful.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 2 November 2020 05: 23
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        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        I think nothing.

        Putin: partners ...
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 2 November 2020 08: 59
        +4
        Probably the absence of wars where it can be captured. The same jeeps from Georgia were not returned to the Americans by EMNIP in 2008, and they were wiped off, since any weapon in the DB zone is a trophy, whoever found it will be.

        It is almost impossible to buy. The fact that the Americans received some samples from Germany and bought the MiG-29 in Moldova, so we will wait until the collapse of the United States, we will also collect the remnants of its former power at European bases.

        The sale of the Ukrainian Su-27 had a very positive effect during the war in the Donbass, since Russia stopped supplying spare parts to ukram and the beginning of the war there were almost no flight dryers.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 2 November 2020 10: 17
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          Quote: EvilLion
          It is almost impossible to buy.

          You can buy everything. There would be means and DESIRE.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 2 November 2020 10: 34
            -1
            Where can you buy the elixir of immortality? Well, or more simply, the technology for the production of lithographic installations for the 7 nm process technology.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 2 November 2020 10: 42
              0
              Quote: EvilLion
              Where can you buy the elixir of immortality?

              Is it produced? Want to chat?
              Quote: EvilLion
              Well, or more simply, the technology for the production of lithographic installations for the 7 nm process technology.

              From the manufacturer. Didn't you know?
              Get the potential seller interested in the amount you can offer him for his product.
              1. EvilLion
                EvilLion 2 November 2020 10: 50
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                I thought you knew where the elixir of immortality is made, since you can buy everything.

                Get the potential seller interested in the amount you can offer him for his product.


                The fact of the matter is that such a sum does not exist, you simply will not be sold this, and it is not even discussed, at best, you will be sold a finished product and then if you are some super reliable partner. Similarly, in the USSR, in principle, it would be impossible to purchase the Su-27 or MiG-31. They would not be sold even to the most reliable allies, not just supplied as military aid, but sold for dollars or even gold. And even when the Union collapsed, and it was necessary to save the military-industrial complex, the export of the Su-27 to China required permission from Yeltsin.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 2 November 2020 11: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: EvilLion
                  I thought you knew where the elixir of immortality is made,

                  Judging by this, it is harmful for you to think.
                  1. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 2 November 2020 11: 03
                    0
                    I don’t, but you seem to have Asperger's syndrome, since you can’t banter and sarcasm.
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 2 November 2020 12: 01
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                      Quote: EvilLion
                      I don't, but you seem to have Asperger's syndrome,

                      Did you learn about the existence of such a diagnosis from your bitter experience? I sincerely sympathize with you. But don't be discouraged and you can live with such a diagnosis.
                      My only wish is to stay on topic.
                      1. EvilLion
                        EvilLion 2 November 2020 12: 31
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                        I am afraid that I cannot find out about such a diagnosis from myself because of the determination of this diagnosis.
                        Your cap.
                      2. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 2 November 2020 14: 29
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                        Quote: EvilLion
                        I'm afraid that I cannot find out

                        And then I can't, and this ...
                        So what are you capable of then?
  3. Alien From
    Alien From 1 November 2020 18: 38
    +4
    Let us recall at least how the plane was hijacked from us during the Soviet Union. There are always enough traitors.
  4. iouris
    iouris 1 November 2020 20: 31
    +9
    Quote: denis obuckov
    our traitorous allies

    Remember the criminal policy of Gorby and his accomplices, the traitors in the KGB and the highest echelons of power who sold the Soviet people and allies. We need a tribunal and debriefing. To each his own.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 November 2020 22: 24
      -1
      Quote: iouris
      We need a tribunal and debriefing. To each his own.

      Then each of us needs to be judged, ask yourself "What have I done to protect the country?"
      1. iouris
        iouris 1 November 2020 22: 30
        +4
        Do not engage in demagogy.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 1 November 2020 22: 45
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          Quote: iouris
          Do not engage in demagogy.

          So you feel guilty, but you are afraid to confess.
          1. iouris
            iouris 2 November 2020 12: 47
            0
            The guilt is established by the court.
            It looks like you or your dad managed to commune a "candle factory in Samara" in the dashing 90s.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 2 November 2020 13: 33
              -1
              Quote: iouris
              It looks like you or your dad managed to commune a "candle factory in Samara" in the dashing 90s.

              Yes, my father was already 90 in the dashing 80s, so he could not. And I ended up abroad thanks to Decree No. 82 of August 24, 1991 by the President of the RSFSR B. Eltsin.
      2. Grandfather
        Grandfather 2 November 2020 05: 27
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: iouris
        We need a tribunal and debriefing. To each his own.

        Then each of us needs to be judged, ask yourself "What have I done to protect the country?"

        and what could a peasant? Take a pitchfork and stick it into the manure with a mat? so believe me, it was done.
  5. EvilLion
    EvilLion 2 November 2020 08: 55
    0
    They threw it more often, so nothing new was supplied to anyone.
  6. Hippo
    Hippo 4 November 2020 03: 52
    0
    "Under the sun of the south, the belly of a half-Nazi - half-Socialist-Revolutionary, Hero of the Soviet Union, Abdel Galyamovich Nasser is warming."
  • newcomer
    newcomer 1 November 2020 17: 19
    +6
    Not at all surprised. After all, after the occupation of the GDR, the pilots of the Luftwaffe (FRG) gained access to MIGs 29. In general, they called the 29th on the wave of delight a "heavenly killer".
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 1 November 2020 19: 07
      +8
      Quote: newbie
      ... after the occupation of the GDR, the pilots of the Luftwaffe (FRG) gained access to MIGs 29 ..

      Not only the pilots of the Luftwaffe, the planes were actively used in all kinds of exercises, two actually immediately gave the amers to use. In combination, the P-73 with helmet-mounted target designation demonstrated "Kuz'kin's mother".
      By the way, the military of the GDR in the FRG was "cleaned up" without delay, the exception was with the MiG-29s, they were not immediately "cleaned up".
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 1 November 2020 19: 44
        +1
        Yes, they were there in shock from our cars, I am not exaggerating at all.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 1 November 2020 20: 11
          +4
          Quote: newbie
          they were there in shock from our cars

          This does not surprise me at all. I understood the meaning of the word mentalitywhen I saw UH-1 Iroquez and Mil standing next to each other: a Soviet machine is a device - strong, reliable and simple; Iroquez, hero of Vietnam, this is "Barbie doll" with a screw - neat, thin tubes ... The bourgeois who faced themselves admit that the redundency, the endurance, probably, of Soviet technology is not surpassed. A photo of a Su-27 with a road sign in the air intake became a hit. How they were going to fight with the Union, if most of the aircraft require asphalt lanes ...
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 2 November 2020 05: 29
            +1
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            ... How they were going to fight with the Union, if most of the aircraft require asphalt lanes ...

            I love patriotic stories, but the reality is sobering.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 2 November 2020 10: 40
              +1
              This is more of a banter than a bike, with the current level of weapon systems this is unlikely. But a visit to Lipetsk by F-15s with 1FW is a confirmation of this. And in the same Siauliai, they first of all redid the lane and tracks.
          2. Kurare
            Kurare 2 November 2020 11: 54
            +2
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            The bourgeois who faced themselves admit that the redundency, the endurance of the Soviet technology, is probably not surpassed.

            You also have to pay a price for this. Growth in weight, fuel consumption, (possibly) shorter range and payload.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 2 November 2020 12: 50
              +2
              Quote: Kurare
              you have to pay your price too.

              No doubt about it, but here's the funny thing. After the bourgeoisie were able to climb the MiG-29 in Flight International, an article was published: the primary elements are made to the highest bar of standards; minor .... down to crooked rivet seams, poorly machined bolts ... conclusion: well done, these Russians, why bother where it is not necessary; and this aircraft is really adapted for operation in combat conditions, in fact, "in the trenches."
              Economy and by the criterion of efficiency - cost - endurance the same 29th is not the last aircraft, especially then
              1. Kurare
                Kurare 2 November 2020 13: 15
                +1
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                ... conclusion: good fellows, these Russians, why bother where it is not necessary;

                The same was said by the officers of the US Army tankers during WWII, "complaining" about the manufacturers' excuses about the timing of the delivery of tanks to the troops: no one has ever won a war due to perfectly processed welds and comfortable leather seats.

                But there is a limit to any "simplicity". Good ergonomics lead to less fatigue, etc. Reasonableness and balance between simplicity and sophistication.
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 2 November 2020 15: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: Kurare
                  Reasonableness and balance between simplicity and sophistication.

                  Compromise - he who seeks will always find
  • deniso
    deniso 1 November 2020 17: 27
    +1
    https://www.drive2.ru/c/463648661344092619/ интересная статья советую почитать.
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 1 November 2020 17: 38
      15
      The S-300s themselves were sold to Greece in 1999.
      The S-400 themselves were sold to Turkey in 2019. Where was the brain of the initiators of the sale, at the same time enemies of the security of the Russian Federation?
      Something that no one sells to us for study THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) is a mobile ground-based anti-missile complex designed for high-altitude transatmospheric destruction of medium-range ballistic missiles.
      There, for this sale, the village would be for life half of the Chiefs of Staff and half of the CIA headquarters.
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 1 November 2020 17: 55
        -5
        Our "American partners" also confirmed the fact of the conclusion of a deal between Washington and Minsk on the sale of modernized S-300 "Favorite" anti-aircraft missile systems by the Belarusian military to the United States, noting that in the same way the American side expects to get access to the newest Russian air defense systems S 400 "Triumph", which were supposed to be delivered from Russia to Belarus. Such allied relations between Minsk and Moscow can pose very serious problems for the Belarusian authorities, especially against the background of the current difficult political situation.
        Taking into account the statement made, experts do not exclude that Minsk could have had some agreements with Washington also regarding the transfer of complexes and technical documentation to the S-400 air defense system to the United States, which could have forced Moscow to abandon its plans to supply Triumphs to the Belarusian troops.
        1. SaLaR
          SaLaR 1 November 2020 18: 27
          -1
          Wow ... What an elephant flew ...)))
      2. fn34440
        fn34440 1 November 2020 18: 07
        +3
        Ukraine has sold nine MiG-29UB combat trainers and four SU-27s to private American companies. The very first car with a flight time of only 510 hours was sent by Ukrinmash to the limited liability company M-Cubed Co.LLC in Washington state. Reported by bmpd
      3. Trojan_wolf
        Trojan_wolf 1 November 2020 18: 51
        0
        Whether we like it or not, it's called business.
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 1 November 2020 22: 28
        +1
        Quote: fn34440
        Where was the brain of the initiators of the sale, at the same time enemies of the security of the Russian Federation?

        The brain was just in place, and it worked well when they offered a thick pack of "greens" with the face of the state president for betrayal.
      5. kapitan92
        kapitan92 1 November 2020 23: 51
        +3
        Quote: fn34440
        The S-300s themselves were sold to Greece in 1999.

        Nobody was selling anything to Greece!
        Yet in 1999 Cyprus acquired from Russia anti-aircraft missile systems, for the deployment of which several military facilities were urgently built.

        The emergence of such powerful air defense systems in service with the Cypriot army caused a sharp discontent in Turkey. The United States also began to put pressure on Cyprus, which at that time still had quite acceptable relations with Ankara. As a result, the Turkish-American pressure led to the fact that Cyprus in 2006-2007 transferred the S-300 to Greece.

        The Greek military command redeployed the S-300 from Cyprus to the Greek island of Crete.
      6. EvilLion
        EvilLion 2 November 2020 10: 17
        -1
        Do you even know what the S-300 is? What makes you think that the export S-400 has classified information? Frequencies or what? Well, what you set up, such will be.
    2. maksbazhin
      maksbazhin 1 November 2020 18: 03
      +1
      Thank you, very interesting. good
  • Generator Systems
    Generator Systems 1 November 2020 17: 41
    0
    Well, 1 I know for sure if ours didn’t want anyone to know and receive soldier although negligence is common with us, but not in such matters good
  • Klingon
    Klingon 1 November 2020 17: 58
    +1
    it's strange why there were no traitors who would have transferred the F-15/16 to the USSR ?? somehow the KGB poorly recruited agents
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 1 November 2020 19: 50
      0
      So the traitors were not recruited at the CIA Flashes, they themselves flew away for 100500 varieties of sausage and other goods
  • Old26
    Old26 2 November 2020 00: 26
    +3
    Quote: denis obuckov
    it only says that our traitorous allies passed on what they received from us to the enemy ... when we understand that we have no real allies and cannot be

    Anything happened. both the former allies transferred, and the former republics of the USSR. The Americans got some of the equipment as a result of conflicts

    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    And what prevents our Defense Ministry from having at its disposal samples of aircraft from NATO countries for training our pilots?

    Well, some equipment also came to us. They were definitely F-5s, possibly some more. There were also samples of weapons, on the basis of which we later made our air-to-air missiles.
    It's just that the Americans did it on a grand scale. Bala even a squadron of the so-called. the "aggressors", whose cars were painted and identified by Soviet cars, negotiations were conducted in Russian. The tactics of the Soviet Air Force were studied. The exercises, EMNIP were called the Red Flag "(Red Flag). At first, F-5 fighters were used as" Soviet "fighters, then, the Americans also had real Soviet aircraft
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 2 November 2020 10: 20
      -1
      In the USSR, there was also a similar connection. Building a squadron on alien machines is meaningless, so trophies and purchases did not leave any LII. "Aggressors" are still an elite combat unit.
  • certero
    certero 2 November 2020 01: 09
    +2
    That's what it would be good to learn from the Americans. Train our pilots and other military personnel against real-life enemy equipment