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In Karabakh, Russia was faced with a difficult choice

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Turkey was counting on a quick victory in the Karabakh conflict, fighting with Armenia with the hands of Azerbaijan, but something went wrong. For the Kremlin, which must have calculated the possible development of events in the region, there shouldn't have been any surprises, but for some reason they did.


Stanislav Tarasov discusses this topic in an article published A REGNUM.

Baku and Ankara were preparing for war quite openly. Moscow reacted immediately to the aggravation of the situation in the Tovuz region this summer, preventing the escalation of border clashes into a full-fledged military conflict with its diplomatic efforts. Then Erdogan addressed Putin by phone, declaring his unconditional support for Baku and his desire to help Moscow in a peaceful settlement of the conflict. Among other things, it was a demonstration by the Turkish side that Azerbaijan is no longer in the Russian zone of influence.

In this situation, Putin managed to reaffirm his commitments to Armenia as a partner in the CSTO and not allow himself to be drawn into this conflict.

Russia has always had special ties with Armenia. But we have always had special ties with Azerbaijan. More than two million Armenians and about two million Azerbaijanis live in Russia.

- said the Russian president.

When the Karabakh conflict flared up in the fall, Putin clearly outlined his position on this issue, making it clear that Russia is ready, if necessary, to fulfill its allied obligations to Armenia, but it has no such obligations to Artsakh. That is why Azerbaijan does not dare to transfer military operations to the territory of Armenia.

But suddenly the United States made its move. Donald Trump's national security adviser Robert O'Brian said that Washington has already begun consultations on the deployment of an international peacekeeping contingent to Nagorno-Karabakh, without asking the consent of Baku and Yerevan. In addition, the US Congress began to talk about the possible official recognition by the United States of this unrecognized republic with all the ensuing consequences.

All this strongly resembles the Kosovo scenario. And if the West manages to implement it, then not only Turkey and Azerbaijan, but also Moscow may be the loser. After all, then the Russian influence on the South Caucasus will have to be forgotten for a long time.

Thus, Russia faced a difficult choice of its further strategy in this region.
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  1. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 1 November 2020 15: 26 New
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    This is not the case for the "Kosovo scenario" to work - the Armenians will wait until the dust settles and organize a referendum on accession, and then the fairy tale is over. So all this talk in the style of "let's get in as soon as possible before the USA gets in" is the essence of a provocation.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 November 2020 15: 28 New
      17
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Armenians will wait until the dust settles and organize a referendum on accession, and then the fairy tale is over.

      It will give nothing. Otherwise it would have been done long ago.
      1. Nasdaq
        Nasdaq 1 November 2020 16: 08 New
        -1
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        Armenians will wait until the dust settles and organize a referendum on accession, and then the fairy tale is over.

        It will give nothing. Otherwise it would have been done long ago.

        The referendum was about 30 years ago. Nobody recognized him.

        On account of the quick victory of Azerbaijan and Turkey, not everything is so simple.
        Even if they quickly take Karabakh, do not forget that peaceful people lived there. If they are stupidly deported / squeezed out / expelled / not allowed to return (call them whatever you like), sanctions will follow. Erdogan got all the Western partners out of it anyway.
        Just like in 2014, first the Mistrals were withdrawn, then the arms embargo (EU and US), then sectoral sanctions, then a ban on high tech / dual-use technologies, then on the supply of equipment (for offshore hydrocarbon production).
        So it's not that simple. Not only soldiers lived there, there were many civilians.
        I am not sure whether they will strangle it as well as Russia in 2014-2015. But what to expel without consequences, I think will not work.
        The EU and the US have been harnessing sanctions for a long time, but then they cannot stop for a long time. At the beginning of the events in Ukraine (Crimea), there were almost no sanctions, then (summer-autumn 2014 and beyond) they began to interfere with everything. For every boiler, for Boeing, and almost for every battle, a new package of sanctions. In addition to Crimea and Donbass, they also tied the "Syrian sanctions" there.

        I think it won't be easy here either.
        Arms supplies to Turkey and Azerbaijan are already beginning to curtail.
        And then we'll see.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 November 2020 16: 20 New
          -4
          Quote: Nasdaq
          On account of the quick victory of Azerbaijan and Turkey, not everything is so simple.

          Everything is very difficult. Little of. personally, I think the transfer of Karabakh under the control of Azerbaijan is unlikely. For the pressure on them from the "world community" will only grow.

          Turkey?
          Here, yes, Erdogan will have advantages, but I do not think that her real role is great. The moral support.

          Quote: Nasdaq
          The EU and the US have been harnessing sanctions for a long time, but then they cannot stop for a long time.

          And here I very much doubt it. To strangle an alternative source of hydrocarbons for Europe, to weld it even tighter with Turkey?
          Although, yes, Americans and Europeans are led by not particularly adequate people, from the times of the Clinton.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 1 November 2020 16: 38 New
            +5
            Quote: Spade
            Turkey?
            Here, yes, Erdogan will have advantages, but I do not think that her real role is great. The moral support.

            And, if you also list Turkey's international problems ... So, Aliyev, take a closer look with moral support ...
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 1 November 2020 16: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: Terenin
              And, if you also list Turkey's international problems ...

              Here I am about

              Quote: Terenin
              So that Aliyev, more attentively with moral support ...

              It will take on some of the international pressure
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 1 November 2020 19: 25 New
                0
                How to know ...
                Russia would not have had to take on another part of the international pressure, sharply recalling the experience of the Pristina raid ...
                But there was 800 km, and here is a field camp of Russian troops on the border of Iran and Karabakh - so we have a very solid head start, even if the Americans involve the Georgian airfields in this matter.
                Here is the first question: even if the Yankees get their hands on the UN Security Council's decision to send Scandinavian peacekeepers to Karabakh, can Russia afford to take on this function arbitrarily (see Pristina)?
                But the second question immediately arises in full growth - what should Russia do with this suitcase?
                1. hydroy
                  hydroy 1 November 2020 19: 53 New
                  -1
                  It is an obvious fact that if America receives a UN Security Council decision and wants to help, Russia gets the opportunity to conduct an anti-terrorist operation in Karabakh, then the question is different! Russia has carte blanche for this: the sanctions there, the anger of the Turks or Europe. The most obvious thing is that if Russia has its rear covered, then there is a sense of the operation, and if we are pitched against the Turks, then we will lose many Russian boys in this massacre, so only two players have leverage: the USA and Russia.
                2. hydroy
                  hydroy 1 November 2020 19: 54 New
                  -2
                  and Russia has more leverage, Putin likes how the Armenians are stuffed, all the more funny about the occupiers, these same invaders live there for 1000 years)
                  1. D16
                    D16 1 November 2020 21: 52 New
                    +1
                    all the more funny about the occupiers, these same occupiers live there for 1000 years)

                    Two thousand-year-old people are simply obliged to sort out among themselves quietly, in a neighborly way, without straining those around lol .
                    1. hydroy
                      hydroy 1 November 2020 22: 01 New
                      -1
                      Russia as the successor of the USSR is responsible for this!
                      1. D16
                        D16 1 November 2020 22: 10 New
                        +1
                        Russia as the successor of the USSR is responsible for this

                        Russia, as the successor to the USSR, has voluntarily paid its general debts. But how can she be responsible for the fact that one of the republics after the division, let's say ... Illegally took possession of 20 percent of the neighboring republic and arranged the eviction of the locals there?
                3. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 1 November 2020 19: 56 New
                  +5
                  Quote: hydrox
                  Russia would not have had to take on another part of the international pressure, sharply recalling the experience of the Pristina raid ...

                  But this was just not enough for the Russian guys to die so that the territories occupied by them remained in the hands of the Armenians.

                  Quote: hydrox
                  Here is the first question: even if the Yankees get their hands on the UN Security Council's decision to send Scandinavian peacekeepers to Karabakh

                  Brad.
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 1 November 2020 20: 15 New
                    +1
                    Is it possible with definitions less boorish?
                    You shouldn't hang labels, but listen to the latest news :: the Yankees have been conducting these consultations for several days while you are prancing around here.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 1 November 2020 20: 16 New
                      0
                      Quote: hydrox
                      the Yankees have been conducting these consultations for several days

                      laughing
                      And does every Armenian know about this?
                      1. hydrox
                        hydrox 1 November 2020 20: 24 New
                        0
                        So are you Armenian?
                        Then everything is clear.
                        I doubt very much that Russia will be interested in the opinion of the Armenian Soros ...
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 1 November 2020 20: 30 New
                        +2
                        Quote: hydrox
                        So are you Armenian?

                        I did not know.
                        So not Armenian.

                        Quote: hydrox
                        I doubt very much that Russia will be interested in the opinion of the Armenian Soros ...

                        laughing
                        In fact, the statement about the alleged consultations came from Robert O'Brien.
                        During, attention, speeches before representatives Armenian diaspora In Los Angeles.
                        Elections .... In fact, Americans are well aware of the delirium of such an idea.
                      3. hydrox
                        hydrox 1 November 2020 20: 35 New
                        +1
                        Exhaustively.
                        Please accept my apologies.
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 1 November 2020 20: 39 New
                        0
                        I think so, these are all rumors generated by the Armenians themselves.
                        They want to hope for something. Although the situation looks very grim for them.
                      5. hydrox
                        hydrox 1 November 2020 22: 16 New
                        +2
                        Here you are right: in this conflict, like in no other, both sides are masters of waving their tongues - after all, neither one nor the other has the resources for a real war
                      6. Albay
                        Albay 1 November 2020 23: 42 New
                        +1
                        Azerbaijan has enough resources.
                      7. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 2 November 2020 01: 14 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Albay
                        Azerbaijan has enough resources.

                        enough for what? to poke around with the NKR militia for a month?
                      8. Albay
                        Albay 2 November 2020 18: 57 New
                        +2
                        They can wage war for years!
                        There is not a militia, but the army of Armenia. That Pashinyan's son served in the militia of Karabakh last year?
                        The Armenian army is in Karabakh.
                      9. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 2 November 2020 19: 57 New
                        0
                        Quote: Albay
                        The Armenian army is in Karabakh.

                        oga oga .. and in the LDNR the Russian army ... lol
                        Are you definitely not from Ukraine?
        2. Buka001
          Buka001 2 November 2020 18: 31 New
          -1
          You are the only nation that blames opponents for being Armenian
  • Nasdaq
    Nasdaq 1 November 2020 17: 57 New
    0
    And here I very much doubt it. To strangle an alternative source of hydrocarbons for Europe, to weld it even tighter with Turkey?

    Isn't traditional oil and gas a competitor to shale producers (USA) ??? That is the question. In the spring, it was Trump who pressured OPEC to cut production (as low oil prices stifle shale producers). It turns out that suppliers have become competitors.
    And then the reason appeared.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 November 2020 18: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Nasdaq
      Isn't traditional oil and gas a competitor to shale producers (USA) ???

      In this case, no
  • Civil
    Civil 1 November 2020 20: 55 New
    -2
    The impudent North American hegemon, instead of solving the problems of the national debt and the inevitable collapse of the dollar (Leontyev warned), is climbing into South Transcaucasia. Nothing will work, they don't have enough azithromycin for the population, Bill Gates is chipping everyone. The decaying West is getting poorer every year. So you have to ask Moscow and ask for money.
  • Albay
    Albay 1 November 2020 23: 41 New
    +2
    Nasdag, when the Azerbaijani regions were occupied and a total of a million people were expelled, no sanctions were adopted, and about 70 thousand Armenians will leave and sanctions? Unlike Armenians, Azerbaijan tells them to live, but observe our laws.
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 2 November 2020 09: 58 New
    0
    There will be no such sanctions against Turkey - it will be easier to bring it to its knees, although this is undesirable for the West, because it will automatically lead to a long-term rejection of the plans of the new Ottoman Empire (now at least there is an illusion of feasibility) and can again throw in the direction of Russia (which , although it will not allow these plans to be realized (like the United States), but it is more honest in everything). Well, then, with Turkey, the West has no existential conflict (again: due to the latter's weakness and skillful manipulation of it in the past), like Russia and Turkey (the times of Ataturk are remembered both here and there).
  • vlad.baryatinsky
    vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 16: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    It will give nothing. Otherwise it would have been done long ago.

    Hello!
    I also share your point of view!
    Uv. Forum users would like to remind that * the Kosovo scenario * in this situation is not applicable.
    I will explain.
    As everyone remembers, the starting point of the US and K * intervention was Srebrenica,
    And the current situation in the region at the time.
    Unfortunately, the RF had other interests and power structure.
    The situation in the South. The Caucasus is exactly the opposite.
    We must not forget all the same four UN resolutions on territorial integrity and the withdrawal of external forces from the conflict zone (I think it will not be difficult to guess who)!
    And the cherry on top is the Madrid principles that are the starting point for the conflicting parties.
    Still, 53 countries have signed this document.
    Do not forget that let's be frank Dear, there is no direct ethnic cleansing at this stage of the conflict!
    I would like to sum up with one more weighty "argument".
    Namely BP! It is no secret that the British have squeezed their competitors out of the Contract of the Century over the past 16 years. And I must say not sickly. Exxon-Mobil, Total and others.
    You can't call them weaklings.
    And notice all this with the "light" hand of Mark Thatcher. And after all, jeopardize British investments! ??
    And even more so to think of oneself as "the creator of justice" (USA) and invade the * backyard * of the Russian Federation and neglect the interests of the Russian Federation is not possible! Times are not the same and Rook. RF is also different.
    Mr. Tarasov's word, to put it mildly, somewhat "thickened" the situation.
    But again, this is my subjective opinion!
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 1 November 2020 17: 43 New
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      Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
      And the cherry on top is the Madrid principles that are the starting point for the conflicting parties.
      Still, 53 countries have signed this document.

      Do you seriously believe in this whim? Do you still not understand that the CURRENT treaties are not worth the paper on which they are written, after the United States unilaterally withdrew from the treaties on strategic offensive arms that are fundamental for the whole world and from many more agreements concluded at a time when the treaties at least something regulated. If the most innocuous Treaty on "Open Skies" has fallen into the basket, then what in general can be negotiated in such a situation?
      Maybe it's time to take off their rose-colored glasses for some forum "analysts", and recall the fundamental principle "if you want peace, prepare for war", which has never let us down, and on this basis develop new weapons for our armed forces.
      1. vlad.baryatinsky
        vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 17: 56 New
        +1
        Hello dear!
        Quote: ccsr
        Do you seriously believe in this whim?

        Under favorable circumstances, applicable to the situation.
        Quote: ccsr
        CURRENT treaties are not worth the paper on which they are written after the United States unilaterally withdrew from the START treaties that are fundamental for the whole world and from many more agreements

        Here, I have nothing to argue with you. Although there are precedents that were not only the United States.
        Quote: ccsr
        Maybe it's time to take off rose-colored glasses for some forum "analysts"

        In my defense, I would like to note.
        Myself, I do not in any way qualify for the honorary title of Analyst.
        Quote: ccsr
        Maybe it's time to take off rose-colored glasses for some forum "analysts"

        I thank you for not accusing me of wearing blue glasses.
        Peace to you!
    2. Rubina
      Rubina 1 November 2020 17: 53 New
      +3
      A very competent alignment. BP is a very serious factor. This time. The pipeline and gas pipeline belong to, among others, American companies. These are two. Baku airport is a refueling base for American cargo in Afghanistan, and there is simply no other airport of this level that can receive heavy transport with an uninterrupted supply of fuel in the region.
      1. vlad.baryatinsky
        vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 19: 40 New
        0
        Hello Dear!
        Quote: Rubina
        BP is a very serious factor.

        Regarding me, he did not doubt one iota!
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 1 November 2020 19: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
      Quote: Spade
      It will give nothing. Otherwise it would have been done long ago.

      Hello!
      I also share your point of view!
      Uv. Forum users would like to remind that * the Kosovo scenario * in this situation is not applicable.
      I will explain.
      As everyone remembers, the starting point of the US and K * intervention was Srebrenica,
      And the current situation in the region at the time.
      Unfortunately, the RF had other interests and power structure.
      The situation in the South. The Caucasus is exactly the opposite.
      We must not forget all the same four UN resolutions on territorial integrity and the withdrawal of external forces from the conflict zone (I think it will not be difficult to guess who)!
      And the cherry on top is the Madrid principles that are the starting point for the conflicting parties.
      Still, 53 countries have signed this document.
      Do not forget that let's be frank Dear, there is no direct ethnic cleansing at this stage of the conflict! ...........................
      And even more so to think of oneself as "the creator of justice" (USA) and invade the * backyard * of the Russian Federation and neglect the interests of the Russian Federation is not possible! Times are not the same and Rook. RF is also different.
      Mr. Tarasov's word, to put it mildly, somewhat "thickened" the situation.
      But again, this is my subjective opinion!
      Let's look at the situation from the other side. Karabakh is a territory claimed by Armenia and Azerbaijan, but in fact (legally) this territory does not belong to anyone, having the status of an unrecognized republic. If we look at this from the point of view of geopolitics, then Azerbaijan and Armenia in this case are regionals with mutual territorial claims. Turkey, Iran and Russia are regionals with geopolitical claims. The United States does not belong to the regionals, but it also has geopolitical claims to its presence in this region. How, "conditionally" to be accommodated in the region? Placing your troops in Armenia, or in Azerbaijan, means to come into conflict with Iran, Turkey and Russia, besides there is a Russian base in Gyumri. The question arises, what if you place it in Karabakh? None of the regionals recognized the independence of this republic. The military conflict did not lead to the fact that the regionals openly intervened in the war on the side of the NKR. In fact, mattresses can explain the introduction of their contingent under the guise of peacekeepers, motivating it with humanitarian considerations - "Since none of the neighbors stood up." The only obstacle to this can be only the residents of the NKR, who are now unlikely to be against seeing how Azerbaijan's offensive is developing. If the United States goes there, then they will gain access to Iran and Russia at arm's length and it will be almost impossible to smoke them out of there. For Armenia and Karabakh, the Americans will really become the force that was able to stop the war, which Russia could not do, which in turn will certainly be used by the Soros to squeeze out the Russian base and Armenia's withdrawal from the CSTO. By and large, the mattresses slipped a serious hairpin. winked
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 2 November 2020 09: 48 New
    0
    Quote: Spade
    It will give nothing. Otherwise it would have been done long ago.

    Down and Out trouble started. It's hard to take the first step. Armenia feared not so much the reaction of Azerbaijan and Turkey as unpredictable from the West. If the US does this, the EU will sit quietly - and a new legal reality will come for NKAO, then Armenia will have nothing to fear. And in the case of unification by the hands of the United States, this will automatically lead to the fact that Artsakh will end up in the CSTO with all that it implies with a unilaterally declared border at the time of recognition. And then Azerbaijan will get sick. And the habit of raking in the heat with someone else's hands can work against the United States.
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 1 November 2020 15: 37 New
    +6
    Referendum? While they gather, the Azerbaijani flag will be raised over Karabakh.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 1 November 2020 15: 40 New
      +6
      Pashinyan is clearly leaking Karabakh, he is a protege of the West, and for this he was brought to power.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 1 November 2020 17: 07 New
        +1
        Pashinyan is clearly dumping Karabakh.

        The Armenians would kill him for this even before the surrender in Karabakh. yes
        Just think - how many days will remain for him after the Armenians surrender Shusha? bully
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 1 November 2020 19: 22 New
          +1
          And you can do it differently.
          Russia would not have had to take on another part of the international pressure, sharply recalling the experience of the Pristina raid ...
          But there was 800 km, and here is a field camp of Russian troops on the border of Iran and Karabakh - so we have a very solid head start, even if the Americans involve the Georgian airfields in this matter.
          Here is the first question: even if the Yankees get their hands on the UN Security Council's decision to send Scandinavian peacekeepers to Karabakh, can Russia afford to take on this function arbitrarily (see Pristina)?
          But the second question immediately arises in full growth - what should Russia do with this suitcase?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 1 November 2020 19: 27 New
            +1
            even if the Yankees get their hands on the UN Security Council's decision to send Scandinavian peacekeepers to Karabakh

            As adults, we understand that the Yankees will receive nothing in the UN Security Council. yes
            And that they suddenly felt sorry for the Soros - so who cares? bully
            A world with unilateral sanctions it is like that.
            There are unexpected surprises.
          2. Cosm22
            Cosm22 1 November 2020 19: 57 New
            +4
            You don't have to do anything.
            Just think about the meaning of the quotation of this helpless little article - "In this situation, Putin managed to confirm his obligations to Armenia as a partner in the CSTO and not allow himself to be drawn into this conflict."
            How was it possible to combine in one sentence two things that absolutely exclude themselves?
            And who said that Azerbaijan intends to officially fight with Armenia? What for? Why would he?
            He will calmly take Karabakh (that the Armenians themselves are beginning to understand that Karabakh will inevitably be lost), will proclaim a great victory, and at this stage until everything is over.
            Unfortunately, not for Russia.
            For such a scenario fundamentally undermines the entire ideological television husk.
            After all, what will happen in the end?
            Azerbaijan completely passes under the influence of Turkey. This is a fact that cannot be denied.
            Armenia, having not received help from Russia and surrendering Karabakh, will have to look for another defender, not Russia. We can only guess which one.
            The influence of Russia in this region will be undermined, but we are constantly told that this region is the sphere of interests of the Russian Federation.
            And the cherry on the cake. The day after tomorrow the US elections. In which Trump has little chance of winning, let's just say. If Biden wins, the entire geopolitical situation may change dramatically. The one that ... everything is ahead, alas ...
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  • Ilya-spb
    Ilya-spb 1 November 2020 15: 53 New
    +7
    And Russia shouldn't choose anything!

    We need to take ours and return. And play by your own rules!
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 1 November 2020 18: 47 New
      0
      And play by your own rules!
      interesting. what enemies of Russia instructed you cons.?
  • Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 1 November 2020 16: 02 New
    -3
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    This is not the case for the "Kosovo scenario" to work - the Armenians will wait until the dust settles and organize a referendum on accession, and then the fairy tale is over. So all this talk in the style of "let's get in as soon as possible before the USA gets in" is the essence of a provocation.


    Or someone's calculation. It was not for nothing that Pashinyan was dragged into power.
    Armenia supported the idea of ​​the United States to bring military personnel to Karabakh.

    Armenian Prime Minister's Advisor Vagharshak Harutyunyan stated that Yerevan fully supports the US idea of ​​bringing military personnel into the territory of Karabakh to ensure the stabilization of the situation. According to Advisor Pashinin, it is quite problematic to implement this idea, however, according to Harutyunyan, this is a significant proposal.


    Experts do not exclude the likelihood that Armenia may ultimately take advantage of the US proposals to introduce peacekeepers in Karabakh, finally replacing the Russian military, especially considering Armenia's pro-Western policy in recent years, however, experts believe that Washington's intervention is unlikely to stabilize the situation in region.

    https://avia.pro/news/armeniya-podtverdila-gotovnost-zamenit-rossiyskih-voennyh-amerikanskimi
  • Clear
    Clear 1 November 2020 16: 12 New
    -2
    Washington has already begun consultations on the deployment of an international peacekeeping contingent to Nagorno-Karabakh, without asking the consent of Baku and Yerevan.
    Well, well, without consent ... Believe in yourself? Come on, maybe this is what we need.

    By the way, isn't it time for us to sing wink (at the pace of the march, energetically)
  • Terenin
    Terenin 1 November 2020 16: 20 New
    +2
    Russia was installed in Karabakh ...
    Oh, how they got excited. In general, I don’t remember that someone would have put Russia ...
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 1 November 2020 17: 22 New
      -5
      "They put Russia in Karabakh ..."
      The Armenians can join Russia as one of the republics. However, this will not be to Armenia's liking due to the presence of a diaspora in different countries of the world, with which Armenia would not want to break ties. It is also beneficial for Russia that Armenia would have greater independence, work synchronously in international organizations and meetings. The most unexpected and interesting option is the separate entry of Artsakh into Russia. Thus, an important strategic issue is being resolved - the Russian presence in the most flammable region, the isthmus, standing in the way of Turkey's access to the Caspian Sea, pan-Turkism, the spread of international terrorism. The Russian military base on the territory of Artsakh is enough to discourage both the Azerbaijani and Turkish armies for a long time. The most painful issue for the people of Artsakh is being resolved - guaranteed security of the population is ensured.
  • denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 1 November 2020 16: 28 New
    +5
    The oriental mentality is still rushing from Pashinyan. Recognize Karabakh and fight like a man. But no, you need to substitute someone else for the slaughter, and sit yourself under the covers.
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 1 November 2020 17: 24 New
      17
      Recognize Karabakh and fight like a man.


      What ... have you recognized Donbas long ago? Or has your Sberbank recognized Crimea? laughing
      Not everything is so simple with the Armenians, and if they do not recognize Karabakh, then obviously there were consultations on this topic with Moscow and there they were told not to rock the boat.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 1 November 2020 18: 48 New
      0
      Eastern mentality and rushing out of Putin. Recognize the LDNR and fight like a man
      think first, then write.
  • fn34440
    fn34440 1 November 2020 17: 07 New
    +4
    "Kosovo scenario".
    I laugh here all the time.
    The word "Arts-x" is blocked here for printing by the moderator. This is not even a joke.
    "" -tsakh "." A-tsakh ".
  • halpat
    halpat 1 November 2020 17: 53 New
    +6
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    This is not the case for the "Kosovo scenario" to work - the Armenians will wait until the dust settles and organize a referendum on accession, and then the fairy tale is over. So all this talk in the style of "let's get in as soon as possible before the USA gets in" is the essence of a provocation.

    How will this prevent the Americans from deploying an airborne division with all the personal belongings there? And a company of French (recruited from French Armenians), for the internationality of the contingent.
    The answer is no way.
    On the contrary, everyone will throw their caps into the air, with different feelings, really.
    Except for Russia. Here - the traditional concern in half with concern and muttering about the three co-chairmen of the Minsk group on Karabakh.

    Erdogan (gritting his teeth) will say: I've brought NATO to the Caucasus - praise me as a useful member of a respected organization.
    Aliyev will say: I have always stated that Azerbaijan is a true friend of the United States and will show newsreels.
    Pashinyan was already his own, bought for inexpensively by Soros. He doesn't really need to say anything.
    Macron will stick out his chest and declare that the French troops are helping, as it should, and that he has long been ... and all that stuff is exactly what he was offering ... in general he took part (only without specifying how much and what :)) as usual so as not to accuse anyone of the insignificance of the participation of France and his specifically ...

    Well something like that.

    I wrote here about this option a week or two ago. Minuses instructed :)) carriage.
    Put it again :))
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 1 November 2020 18: 43 New
      +2
      norm option)
      1. halpat
        halpat 1 November 2020 19: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: hydroy
        norm option)

        so there is already a plan for peaceful improvement, I'm sure :)
        plant rather bleak landscapes (judging by the footage of the military chronicle) with opium poppy and hemp. The climate is suitable and the population there is not like the Pashtuns, and with rather close, direct ties with those living on the territory of the enemy (Russia). Sales - under the control of the American military administration of this mandated territory, well, maybe not under direct control, but through appointed ... elders, or you can call it president ... there is no difference. 1 year Azerbaijani, 1 year Armenian and so on in turn.
        And all in a bunch.
        In Kosovo, they did practically that :))
  • 210ox
    210ox 1 November 2020 18: 56 New
    0
    Wait until it resolves? And what will be when to connect?
  • lelik613
    lelik613 3 November 2020 06: 08 New
    0
    When the dust settles, the Azerbaijanis will return Karabakh (more likely yes than no). The Armenians had 25 years of head start and a strong lobby in the Congress - and nothing ...
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 1 November 2020 15: 27 New
    -1
    Oh, where are the Yankees and where is Russia))
    They will not be in Artsakh, at least officially))
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 1 November 2020 15: 37 New
      0
      The problem is that Russia has no border with Armenia, unlike Turkey. The conditions are initially unequal. Climbing through Georgia or Azerbaijan is an obvious aggression.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 1 November 2020 15: 50 New
        11
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        The problem is that Russia has no border with Armenia

        And I have always thought that this is the problem of Armenia. request
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 1 November 2020 15: 51 New
        -6
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        The problem is that Russia has no border with Armenia, unlike Turkey. The conditions are initially unequal. Climbing through Georgia or Azerbaijan is an obvious aggression.

        Our military base is in Armenia and we have every right to have communication with it. But if someone tries to hinder our communication with the base, then this will already be an act of aggression, only against Russia.
        1. atalef
          atalef 1 November 2020 15: 58 New
          -4
          Quote: 1976AG
          Our military base is in Armenia and we have every right to have communication with it. But if someone tries

          Seriously?
          And I somehow thought that the neighbors somehow do not care whether there is a base or not.
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 1 November 2020 16: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: 1976AG
            Our military base is in Armenia and we have every right to have communication with it. But if someone tries

            Seriously?
            And I somehow thought that the neighbors somehow do not care whether there is a base or not.

            We don't give a damn what they think. Our base is there.
            1. Souchastnik
              Souchastnik 1 November 2020 17: 20 New
              +1
              We don't give a damn what they think. Our base is there.

              Yes, you are cooler than Trump.
              1. 1976AG
                1976AG 1 November 2020 17: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: Souchastnik
                We don't give a damn what they think. Our base is there.

                Yes, you are cooler than Trump.

                Is Trump cool? Judging by what he says and does, he is an ordinary balabol.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 1 November 2020 16: 03 New
          -1
          Quote: 1976AG
          Our military base is in Armenia and we have every right to have communication with it.

          Not quite clear what kind of "message"?
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 1 November 2020 16: 04 New
            0
            Transport connection.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 1 November 2020 16: 06 New
              0
              Quote: 1976AG
              Transport connection.

              Well, what's the problem? Is the airspace closed?
              1. 1976AG
                1976AG 1 November 2020 16: 09 New
                -1
                Quote: RUSS
                Quote: 1976AG
                Transport connection.

                Well, what's the problem? Is the airspace closed?

                So I'm saying that while the airspace is open, there are no problems, but some comrades think that it can be easily blocked for us, and if we try to break through to our own base, this can be regarded as aggression.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 1 November 2020 19: 42 New
                  -1
                  Quote: 1976AG
                  So I'm saying that while the airspace is open, there are no problems, but some comrades think that we can easily block it

                  of course, easily
                  1. 1976AG
                    1976AG 1 November 2020 20: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    Quote: 1976AG
                    So I'm saying that while the airspace is open, there are no problems, but some comrades think that we can easily block it

                    of course, easily

                    To dream is not harmful.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 1 November 2020 20: 24 New
                      -1
                      Quote: 1976AG
                      Quote: atalef
                      Quote: 1976AG
                      So I'm saying that while the airspace is open, there are no problems, but some comrades think that we can easily block it

                      of course, easily

                      To dream is not harmful.

                      what dreams?
                      Moscow is waiting for explanations from Bulgaria and Greece in connection with the ban on the passage of Russian aircraft to Syria. According to the Russian Deputy Foreign Minister, if countries have doubts, they "must explain what the problem is."

                      Read more at RBC:
                      https://www.rbc.ru/politics/08/09/2015/55ef02919a794704b1144803

                      Turkey has banned Russian aircraft from using its airspace.

                      Several hours ago, unconfirmed reports emerged that official Ankara banned Russian military aircraft from entering Turkish airspace.
                      More details at: https://avia.pro/news/erdogan-poshyol-v-ataku-na-rossiyu-turciya-zakryla-rossiyskim-voennym-samolyotam-svoyo



                      Tbilisi. 17 October. INTERFAX - The Georgian Foreign Ministry expressed regret in connection with media reports regarding military transportations through the country's airspace.
                      "Georgia has closed its airspace for military flights, and this was announced publicly
                      1. 1976AG
                        1976AG 1 November 2020 20: 44 New
                        +2
                        So that you do not have unnecessary illusions, I explain that the blockade of the state from the point of view of international law is an act of military aggression, with all the ensuing consequences. Of course, we will try to resolve such issues peacefully until the last moment, but if this does not help, then we have the right to carry out the deblockade by force. And if someone does not like this, then this is their personal difficulties.
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 1 November 2020 20: 57 New
                        0
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        So that you do not have unnecessary illusions, I explain that the blockade of the state from the point of view of international law is an act of military aggression

                        Really ? Well, the word blockade means at least the encirclement of the territory from all sides.
                        And then somehow it is not clear. Where is the blockade if Armenia has borders with 5 countries?
                        AND . chef? Then, the blockade of whom? Armenia or Russia? Nobody blocks Russia, but what kind of goods to pass through its territory is the prerogative of any sovereign state
                        NATO countries banned from transporting military cargo through the port of Rostov
                        The ban on the use of the Rostov port for military cargo for the United States and NATO was imposed by the Russian government. The corresponding document was signed on January 30 by the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Mikhail Mishustin.


                        https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/b5bf67ae

                        Quote: 1976AG
                        from the point of view of international law is an act of military aggression, with all the ensuing consequences

                        what are you talking about ?
                        Blockade - actions aimed at isolating an object by cutting off all its external ties

                        Quote: 1976AG
                        but if this does not help, then we have the right to carry out the deblocking by force

                        Seriously, what a baby talk 7 Can Americans do the same? see the post above.

                        Quote: 1976AG
                        And if someone does not like this, then this is their personal difficulties.

                      3. 1976AG
                        1976AG 1 November 2020 21: 35 New
                        0
                        Look at the relevant international treaties, and if you don’t want to, do not meddle.
                      4. atalef
                        atalef 1 November 2020 21: 37 New
                        -1
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        Look at the relevant international treaties, and if you don’t want to, do not meddle.

                        to the studio - the corresponding contracts fellow
                      5. 1976AG
                        1976AG 1 November 2020 21: 49 New
                        0
                        Bring it yourself, there are no waiters here. In general, I am surprised at your naivety. Even if you do not take into account the legal aspects, you want to say that we will be blocked from communication with our military base, that is, we will not be able to provide our citizens, our servicemen, endangering their lives and health, and we will calmly look at this ? Where do you come from so naive? We will restore communication with our military, do not even hesitate. Therefore, it is better not to create obstacles.
                      6. atalef
                        atalef 1 November 2020 21: 56 New
                        0
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        Bring it yourself, there are no waiters here

                        yap
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        Even if you do not take into account the legal aspects, you want to say that we will be blocked from communication with our military base, that is, we will not be able to provide for our citizens, our servicemen, endangering their lives and health, and we will calmly look at this ?

                        look can and will not be bad. but you can't do anything about it.
                        This is the sovereign right of any state.
                        I gave you the links - you don't.
                        Yap. you are my friend.

                        Quote: 1976AG
                        We will restore communication with our military, do not even hesitate.

                        doubt it.
                        Something in Georgia I do not see DSB on takeoffs.
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        Therefore, it is better not to create obstacles.

                        I am 7 I don’t fix, I state the facts
                      7. 1976AG
                        1976AG 1 November 2020 22: 11 New
                        +1
                        "Something in Georgia I do not see DSB on takeoffs."
                        And why should they be there? Our troops are not there. When in 2008 there was a need to protect our military and civilian population, we brought in everyone who we considered necessary and did not ask you about it. And they did not ask Georgia. Therefore, "it may not be bad to watch, but you can't do anything about it." this is just your personal opinion and should not be passed off as the ultimate truth.
                        "yap"
                        do not judge others by yourself.
                      8. atalef
                        atalef 1 November 2020 22: 13 New
                        0
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        "Something in Georgia I do not see DSB on takeoffs."
                        And why should they be there? Our troops are not there

                        but they blocked the transportation of goods to Armenia.
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        When in 2008 there was a need to protect our military and civilian population, we brought in everyone who we considered necessary and did not ask you about it.

                        are you following the thread of the conversation?
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        As I am saying that while the airspace is open, there are no problems, but some comrades think that it can be easily blocked for us, and if we try to break through to our own base, then this can be regarded as aggression.

                        Georgia blocked
                        wink
                      9. 1976AG
                        1976AG 1 November 2020 22: 23 New
                        +2
                        It seems that you did not understand the meaning of what I said. As long as we have access to the base via other routes and as long as there is no threat to the life or health of our servicemen or other factors FORCING us to use force, then we will not use it. We are not in a state of war and we do not strive for it. But if there is force majeure and we have no other choice, we will do whatever we deem necessary.
                      10. atalef
                        atalef 1 November 2020 22: 27 New
                        0
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        It seems that you did not understand the meaning of what I said. As long as we have access to the base along other routes and as long as there is no threat to the life, health of our servicemen or other factors FORCING us to use force, then we will not use it.

                        so deal with the word - blockade.
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        ... But if there is force majeure

                        Quote: 1976AG
                        Our military base is in Armenia and we have every right to have communication with it. But if someone tries to prevent our communication with the base, then this will already be an act of aggression,

                        I gave you an example. They blocked it - Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkey. - Iran remained.
                        with whom will you fight?
                      11. 1976AG
                        1976AG 1 November 2020 22: 36 New
                        +3
                        "I gave you an example. They blocked it - Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkey. - Iran remained.
                        with whom will you fight? "
                        I repeat once again, we are not going to fight with anyone. If an urgent need arises, an air corridor can be organized, including through the territory of Azerbaijan. Technically and diplomatically, it is quite possible to ensure its security. If for some reason this cannot be done, the General Staff will decide where and how to organize the message. One of the tasks of the General Staff is to develop an action plan in case of different developments of events and they are very good at doing this.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 2 November 2020 11: 11 New
    0
    Quote: 1976AG
    To dream is not harmful.

    And these are not dreams, but knowledge of history. Remember how more than 20 years ago the Hungarians with their "brothers" closed the airspace for us to fly to Yugoslavia.
  • Professor
    Professor 1 November 2020 16: 57 New
    -5
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: 1976AG
    Our military base is in Armenia and we have every right to have communication with it.

    Not quite clear what kind of "message"?

    Underground. Metrostroy comes into play ...

    Although ... The bowels of Georgy also belong to Georgy. It won't work with an underground message.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 2 November 2020 11: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      Although ... The bowels of Georgy also belong to Georgy. It won't work with an underground message.

      We'll have to supply the base with cargo missiles. smile
  • qQQQ
    qQQQ 1 November 2020 16: 41 New
    +4
    Quote: 1976AG
    But if someone tries to obstruct our communication with the base, then this will already be an act of aggression, only against Russia.

    I am wondering what will happen if Georgia, Azerbaijan and Turkey do not allow flights of our VTA? Hike, they are not missing now and where is the aggression? Delivering goods across the Caspian Sea via Iran is a pleasure. In my opinion, our base there has a purely symbolic meaning. It is more profitable for us that Azerbaijan would take Karabakh and its regions and everyone would calm down on this.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 1 November 2020 16: 53 New
      0
      Why do we need Georgia and Turkey? We have enough through Azerbaijan.
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 1 November 2020 20: 03 New
        0
        Quote: 1976AG
        Why do we need Georgia and Turkey? We have enough through Azerbaijan.

        And what hinders our friendly Azerbaijan?
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 1 November 2020 20: 20 New
          0
          Quote: qqqq
          Quote: 1976AG
          Why do we need Georgia and Turkey? We have enough through Azerbaijan.

          And what hinders our friendly Azerbaijan?

          Did I say that he is interfering with us?
  • Doctor
    Doctor 1 November 2020 16: 50 New
    +2
    Our military base is in Armenia and we have every right to have communication with it. But if someone tries to hinder our communication with the base, then this will already be an act of aggression, only against Russia.

    Look bigger. Perhaps Russia will have a military base in Izmir! wink
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 1 November 2020 18: 45 New
      +1
      wait to be in Izmir - the United States must agree, they won't)
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 1 November 2020 19: 03 New
        -7
        wait to be in Izmir - the United States must agree, they won't)

        Not all at once.

        1. First, we continue to ride to Antalya and Bodrum. We swim a lot, eat, drink, massage, baths, excursions. Turks in Moscow. They are building. Sell ​​tomatoes.
        In short, mutually beneficial cooperation. Already underway. Full swing.

        2. Turkish Islam. It's soft. As in Kazan. It is quite possible to live with him.
        In short, not an obstacle.

        3. Arises from the 2nd. Soft Turkish Islam between hard Saudi and us. Now it is Erdogan's headache. And we will help.
        In short, Turkey is a buffer between us radical Islamists.

        4. Military ally. Our ally. NATO - goodbye. Powerful army, navy. The most powerful in the region.
        In short, a military alliance.

        5. Turks in Germany. The second largest -17,1%. They have a long-standing friendship. Through the Turks we will get closer to the Germans.
        In short, the way to the heart of Germany lies through Turkey. And whoever owns the heart of Germany owns the heart of Europe.

        6. The main thing. Cherry on the cake. A terrible dream of the Anglo-Saxons. Straits.
        Free (albeit joint) exit to the Mediterranean. With all that it implies.
        In short, the solution to the longstanding problem of Russia.

        And much more... wink
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 1 November 2020 19: 19 New
          +2
          ingenious plan, reliable as a Swiss watch)
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 1 November 2020 19: 23 New
            0
            ingenious plan, reliable as a Swiss watch)

            And not mine. Some comrades making decisions.
            These are also joint oil-gas, nuclear, space have not been mentioned.

            How do you like the cosmodrome in Cyprus? wink
            1. hydroy
              hydroy 1 November 2020 19: 25 New
              0
              Krutyak, why do we need Baikonur and Vostochny then?)
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 1 November 2020 19: 26 New
                0
                Krutyak, why do we need Baikonur and Vostochny then?)

                They are farther north. The payload is smaller. It should be as close to the equator as possible.
                1. hydroy
                  hydroy 1 November 2020 19: 27 New
                  0
                  and Guinea? do our missiles fly there too?)
                2. Doctor
                  Doctor 1 November 2020 19: 30 New
                  +1
                  and Guinea? do our missiles fly there too?)

                  To carry far, quarreled with the Europeans, the crown.
                3. Kruglov
                  Kruglov 2 November 2020 03: 39 New
                  0
                  Guinea in Africa. Maybe Guiana after all ?!
                4. hydroy
                  hydroy 2 November 2020 12: 22 New
                  0
                  Equatorial Guiana, you are right, I confused countries and continents)
          2. hydroy
            hydroy 1 November 2020 19: 28 New
            +1
            about Turkish Islam, xs, they recently declared us, namely in February of this year, they almost declared war) when we fired their column near Idlib)
          3. hydroy
            hydroy 1 November 2020 19: 32 New
            0
            this is also understandable, but why pay big money for the eastern one, and now for Baikonur, especially Cyprus de jure occupied, there will be graters with the Greeks)
  • rocket757
    rocket757 1 November 2020 15: 30 New
    +3
    Cool! Striped shooter, wants to keep up everywhere!
    It will be interesting to see it!
    And any international, the UN is there, but it all went away !!! The striped vulture just wants to eat and the opinion of the lamb, shepherd and guard dogs simply DOESN'T INTERESTED him!
    Although, on the other hand, the vulture promised to protect, preserve, the lamb's skin intact, and this is a reason for the lamb to think about .... a lot.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 November 2020 15: 38 New
      +2
      If they appear there in some unknown way, Azerbaijan will simply send out the American ambassador and beat these peacekeepers for the company and they will not care who there recognizes or denies what, as Turkey itself.
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 15 New
        +3
        and Azerbaijan will no longer be) who is Azerbaijan: a gas station with vegetables and the USA, funny)
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 1 November 2020 16: 26 New
          +5
          Indeed, how can the Yankees get there?
          This question is even more interesting.
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 1 November 2020 17: 29 New
        +3
        Azerbaijan will simply send out the American ambassador and beat these peacekeepers


        And disappear in 7,5 minutes. These are Americans, their concerns are expressed through the Tomahawk.
        1. Motorist
          Motorist 1 November 2020 18: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          These are Americans, their concerns are expressed through the Tomahawk.

          Keyser Soze, hello. hi For some reason, Tomahawks did not fly very quickly to Iran (smart missiles?) After the bombardment of bases in Iraq. Don't idealize this "nation".
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 1 November 2020 19: 20 New
            0
            Quote: Motorist
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            These are Americans, their concerns are expressed through the Tomahawk.

            Keyser Soze, hello. hi For some reason, Tomahawks did not fly very quickly to Iran (smart missiles?) After the bombardment of bases in Iraq. Don't idealize this "nation".

            Because in 2 hours, through Iraq, the Persians warned the Americans about the strike, and Trump did not want to start a war before the elections)).
            1. Motorist
              Motorist 1 November 2020 19: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Trump didn't want to start a war before the election

              BLM today, elections tomorrow, then re-elections, etc. You can always find a reason not to start an uncomfortable war. Trump did it right (IMHO) It's just that the image of "clear-cut boys" in the form of the United States for some reason stuck with some, and this attack "opened my eyes" (c); not everyone, of course.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 1 November 2020 19: 55 New
                0
                Once again - the attack was an agreement, it allowed the Ayatollahs to save face after the death of a national hero without serious consequences - therefore, the Americans were warned in advance. Trump did not want to start a war for the reasons I mentioned above, especially since it was the most painless option for Amers after the open assassination of Soleimani.
                1. Motorist
                  Motorist 1 November 2020 20: 02 New
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  the attack was a deal ... Trump didn't want to start wars

                  Well, what did I say? I don’t argue. A colleague of Keyser Soze says that Tomahawks will fly, but I say - not a fact; suddenly again an agreement, or something ...
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 1 November 2020 20: 05 New
                    +1
                    Here is another question - if this entails a massive death of the American military, then no US president will have a choice. If, as with Iran in the case you mentioned, then it won't be a fig. hi
                    But - if at this time another Monica Lewinsky appears in the Oval Office and it pops up - there will also be B-52 strikes laughing
                    1. lucul
                      lucul 1 November 2020 20: 53 New
                      -2
                      Here is another question - if this entails a massive death of the American military, then no state president will have a choice

                      Sure ? ))))
                      Erdogan said bluntly - no matter what third party gets involved in the conflict - Turkey will be the fourth.
                      And this hint was intended to America. )))
                      Are you sure America will go to war with Turkey? Moreover, in this case, Russia will help Turkey with EVERYTHING it can. That is, for America, the situation is like with Korea and Vietnam)))
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 November 2020 21: 47 New
                        0
                        Not at all - the States have long shown what they are capable of only from the air hi
                  2. hydroy
                    hydroy 1 November 2020 20: 06 New
                    +1
                    it's time to legally suppress such agreements, play honestly) soak each other with missiles)
      3. vitvit123
        vitvit123 1 November 2020 19: 44 New
        +1
        We were surprised by this comment .. and that Azerbaijan has become some kind of super-superpower?
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 1 November 2020 16: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Cool! Striped shooter, wants to keep up everywhere!
      It will be interesting to see it!

      There will be nothing to look at. The striped-eared vulture will not climb into the Karabakh mousetrap. You will have to risk it ... the battles are underway. And then troops appear on the battlefield in an unknown form. And start getting on both sides!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 1 November 2020 16: 36 New
        0
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        ... The striped vulture will not climb into the Karabakh mousetrap

        So it’s interesting because it’s hot, not tea in Geyrop!
  • passerby
    passerby 1 November 2020 15: 30 New
    15
    There is no difficulty here. Russia simply must not allow itself to be drawn into this conflict and that's it. If Armenians and Azerbaijanis want to die for Karabakh - good health, let them die
    1. The comment was deleted.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 1 November 2020 15: 35 New
    +1
    Stuffing. Why should Turkey bend Armenia? Aliyev needs this - during a difficult economic situation with falling oil prices and restrictions related to the pandemic, bring the country's population to a consensus by returning the lost territories and restoring national dignity. This plays into the hands of Erdogan - helping Azerbaijan fits into his image as the new leader of Pan-Turkism and a significant player in the region. About the role of initiator and main stakeholder - stupidity.
    1. denis obuckov
      denis obuckov 1 November 2020 16: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Stuffing. Why should Turkey bend Armenia? Aliyev needs this - during a difficult economic situation with falling oil prices and restrictions related to the pandemic, bring the country's population to a consensus by returning the lost territories and restoring national dignity. This plays into the hands of Erdogan - helping Azerbaijan fits into his image as the new leader of Pan-Turkism and a significant player in the region. About the role of initiator and main stakeholder - stupidity.


      He needs Caspian oil and needs to deprive Russia of the transit of this oil. He also openly stated that he wants to "return" Crimea to Turkey. And he even began to arm Ukrainian zombies for this.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 1 November 2020 16: 22 New
        0
        Armenians to the Caspian oil with? ))
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 1 November 2020 18: 48 New
          +1
          transit goes by roundabout routes through Georgia) but I want to go straight)
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 1 November 2020 19: 04 New
            0
            That is, for the sake of reducing logistics, after the infusion of additional funds, the Turks want to build an oil pipeline in a territory with a hostile population, with security such as a fortification every three kilometers? laughing
            An interesting version, in the style of Ataturk Dönme)).
            1. hydroy
              hydroy 1 November 2020 19: 23 New
              +1
              Well, there are prerequisites for this) The leader of the country believes that the Iravan Khanate, Zangezur and Goyche are the land of the Azerbaijani people.

              And we, Azerbaijanis, must return to this historical land. This is our political and strategic goal, which we must gradually approach.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 1 November 2020 19: 25 New
                -1
                So these are Azerbaijani slogans, not Turkish ones))
                1. hydroy
                  hydroy 1 November 2020 19: 26 New
                  +1
                  well, it's good for Turkish)
            2. hydroy
              hydroy 1 November 2020 19: 24 New
              0
              from 2018, then exit to Turkey and the second route of the oil and gas pipeline to Turkey
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 1 November 2020 19: 28 New
                -1
                Isn't it easier for the Turks with the Armenians to agree on this for a monetary reward? Occupation is an expensive thing, negates all the benefits of building a branch)).
                1. hydroy
                  hydroy 1 November 2020 19: 30 New
                  +1
                  they are now transiting Turkish-Armenian goods through Georgia, and you want to come to an agreement, plus ares under the propaganda of Turkish violence, they are afraid of a repetition of genocide, plus the Turks have a "brotherhood" with Azerbaijanis) the tangle is too tangled)
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 1 November 2020 19: 44 New
                    0
                    But you must agree that there can be no talk about the occupation of Armenia by the Turks. laughing In addition, I think no one has problems to agree for real money. hi
                    1. hydroy
                      hydroy 1 November 2020 19: 46 New
                      +1
                      It's not about the occupation, it's about the fact that Turkey did not take a step and did not recognize the genocide when the genocide was recognized in Russia or France. How can hot Caucasians do business if the partner behaves ugly)
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 November 2020 19: 59 New
                        0
                        He never admits that - because, after the Germans paid reparations for the Holocaust to Jews, Turkey, in the event of recognition of the genocide, automatically flies into a large loot
                        And for hot Caucasian guys, the question is how much money will you put on a pipe through their territory, especially if you can do this through some French or Russian company. hi
                      2. hydroy
                        hydroy 1 November 2020 20: 03 New
                        +1
                        The pipe is so Azerbaijani, I say, a tangled ball, the Armenians are between two fires with their Great Armenia: there are already people who want both of these in Nakhichevan, like the Azerbaijanis. The pipe holders decide, the more the pipe is built by BIPI)
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 November 2020 20: 07 New
                        0
                        So beep and negotiate laughing
            3. ccsr
              ccsr 2 November 2020 12: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Isn't it easier for the Turks with the Armenians to agree on this for a monetary reward?

              So tempting to ask about Israel's experience in this matter. Well, how did you come to a strong agreement with the Arab environment, since you are periodically fired upon from the Gaza Strip, not to mention the activities of terrorists on your territory? Yes, never will the Armenians agree with the Turks, although it is a sacred thing for them to milk the United States or Russia, the question is who will be more profitable to milk in the current situation.
              Therefore, we should not build illusions about future relations with Armenia and Azerbaijan, but leave this issue for other international organizations - we will not lose anything from such a position, but will only gain.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 2 November 2020 12: 24 New
                -1
                If you take the example of Israel, then for 70 years of the state's existence, peace was concluded with Egypt and Jordan, while in terms of the welfare of its citizens Israel differs for the better from any country of the former USSR, in terms of personal security, Russia is more prosperous. hi
                Otherwise, I agree - we do not need to get into this, but I wrote about something else - well, I do not believe that the Turks want to destroy Armenia request
  • Bessik
    Bessik 1 November 2020 20: 17 New
    0
    And what is the official document on his words about Crimea?
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 1 November 2020 15: 42 New
    +1
    There was nothing yet, but again the cries are rushing: "Everything is lost!" laughing
    1. AUL
      AUL 1 November 2020 17: 25 New
      0
      Of course of course!
      Dude falls from the 15th floor. At the 7th level, he thinks - well, so far, it's okay ...
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 1 November 2020 15: 45 New
    -3
    In Karabakh, Russia was faced with a difficult choice
    And me cons with a frenzy fool Site blessed sculpt for such a statement.
    Everything is played out as if by notes. What should Russia do? Leave Stepanakert in any way for the Armenians. There are no questions around Azerbaijanis. The situation not only needs to be calculated tactically, but also strategically. This is an exam for you, Mr. Lavrov, too. Well, if you don’t dream of becoming Shevardnadze ... bully
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 1 November 2020 15: 52 New
      -3
      Quote: Observer2014
      In Karabakh, Russia was faced with a difficult choice
      And me cons with a frenzy fool Site blessed sculpt for such a statement.
      Everything is played out as if by notes. What should Russia do? Leave Stepanakert in any way for the Armenians. There are no questions about the Azerbaijani region.

      There are characters here who don’t read comments at all .. they just don’t like you and they press the button ..
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 1 November 2020 15: 54 New
      10
      Quote: Observer2014
      What should Russia do? Leave Stepanakert by any means for the Armenians. There are no questions about the Azerbaijani region.

      Thank God that you are not the President of the Russian Federation. repeat
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 1 November 2020 16: 02 New
        -11 qualifying.
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Quote: Observer2014
        What should Russia do? Leave Stepanakert by any means for the Armenians. There are no questions about the Azerbaijani region.

        Thank God that you are not the President of the Russian Federation. repeat

        That's right, pray for this. For from you, with your and our methods, I would in a moment finish. Smear and leave no stone unturned with the anti-people policy in the country. I would give the people the opportunity and hope for revival not by maternal capital. But I would give protection and hope for a happy today. And a wonderful future.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 1 November 2020 16: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: Observer2014
          For from you, with your and our methods, I would have done away with it in a moment. Smeared and left no stone unturned with the anti-popular policy in the country

          Ek you bombed, I didn’t give you cons wink Drink some water, uzbagoytes, nothing depends on you. request
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 1 November 2020 16: 06 New
            -14 qualifying.
            Quote: Tank Hard
            Quote: Observer2014
            For from you, with your and our methods, I would have done away with it in a moment. Smeared and left no stone unturned with the anti-popular policy in the country

            Ek you bombed, I didn’t give you cons wink Drink some water, uzbagoytes, nothing depends on you. request

            I am not "bombed" at all. I'm calm like a boa constrictor. Only a tough and accurate calculation. As well as a deep understanding of the essence of what is happening.
            1. Clear
              Clear 1 November 2020 16: 29 New
              +3
              Quote: Observer2014
              I am calm as a boa constrictor.

              Not otherwise, you digest someone's good mood winked
            2. Tank hard
              Tank hard 1 November 2020 18: 56 New
              0
              Quote: Observer2014
              I am not "bombed" at all. I'm calm like a boa constrictor. Only a tough and accurate calculation. As well as a deep understanding of the essence of what is happening.

              And me cons with a frenzy fool Site blessed sculpt for such a statement.
              Everything is played as if by notes.

              .For from you with your and our methods, I would be done in a moment. Smeared and left no stone unturned

              To tears! laughing
        2. Nikza
          Nikza 1 November 2020 17: 10 New
          +1
          Robin Hood girl. It takes from the rich and gives to the poor. :-))
      2. hydroy
        hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 17 New
        +2
        today mercenaries in Karabakh, tomorrow in Dagestan
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 1 November 2020 16: 22 New
          -2
          Quote: hydroy
          today mercenaries in Karabakh, tomorrow in Dagestan

          And the day before yesterday, who yelled at every corner about "defeated on the distant approaches in Syria"?
          Bulk probably libarastnya, the fifth column? wassat
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 28 New
            +1
            defeated, the remains of the Turkish remained)
            1. Observer2014
              Observer2014 1 November 2020 16: 29 New
              -8
              Quote: hydroy
              defeated, the remains of the Turkish remained)

              So the Armenians today then who caught! laughing Today they squeal. Hooray caught one lolHere is the proof! So ours who were contracted all these years! In Syria?
              1. hydroy
                hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 33 New
                +4
                Turkish from Idlib
              2. Tank hard
                Tank hard 1 November 2020 19: 00 New
                -2
                Quote: Observer2014
                Today they are screaming. Hurray they caught one. Here it is proof! So ours who were oppressed all these years! In Syria ?!

                And Turks and Azerbaijanis shout about thousands of Kurds and Syrian Armenians fighting on the Armenian side. So what? repeat
          2. Clear
            Clear 1 November 2020 16: 32 New
            +4
            Quote: Observer2014
            Quote: hydroy
            today mercenaries in Karabakh, tomorrow in Dagestan

            And the day before yesterday, who yelled at every corner about "defeated on the distant approaches in Syria"?
            Bulk probably libarastnya, the fifth column? wassat

            How gouged. But, on the couch, in Russia it is not visible.
            1. Observer2014
              Observer2014 1 November 2020 16: 36 New
              -12 qualifying.
              Quote: Clear
              Quote: Observer2014
              Quote: hydroy
              today mercenaries in Karabakh, tomorrow in Dagestan

              And the day before yesterday, who yelled at every corner about "defeated on the distant approaches in Syria"?
              Bulk probably libarastnya, the fifth column? wassat

              How gouged. But, on the couch, in Russia it is not visible.

              Nobody argues. Gouged, gouged. All again? And you can see this even in Russia in a chair at a computer yes ... On the couch, only perverts probably know how to type on a computer wink lol
              1. Clear
                Clear 1 November 2020 16: 55 New
                +5
                Quote: Observer2014
                Quote: Clear
                Quote: Observer2014
                Quote: hydroy
                today mercenaries in Karabakh, tomorrow in Dagestan

                And the day before yesterday, who yelled at every corner about "defeated on the distant approaches in Syria"?
                Bulk probably libarastnya, the fifth column? wassat

                How gouged. But, on the couch, in Russia it is not visible.

                Nobody argues. Gouged, gouged. All again? And you can see this even in Russia in a chair at a computer yes ... On the couch, only perverts probably know how to type on a computer wink lol

                Well, you know everything ... about the perverts, and about the "gouged", then
                Quote: Observer2014
                I'm not bombed at all

                that
                Quote: Observer2014
                I am calm as a boa constrictor.

                that
                Quote: Observer2014
                Only a tough and accurate calculation.

                that
                Quote: Observer2014
                deep understanding of the essence of what is happening

                Quote: Observer2014
                For I would have done away with your and our methods in a moment, smeared and left no stone unturned with the anti-popular policy in the country.

                that
                Quote: Observer2014
                Would give the people the opportunity and hope for revival

                that
                Quote: Observer2014
                gave protection and hope for a happy today and a wonderful future.

                ... well, and the crown of a short welcome speech at the gala banquet winked
                Quote: Observer2014
                pray for it


                Who are you, the masked man? what Yes, and is he a man !? belay
              2. Tank hard
                Tank hard 1 November 2020 19: 02 New
                0
                Quote: Observer2014
                And you can see it even in Russia in a chair at a computer.

                So they would start with themselves, go to Karabakh, help their own. And then just from the sofa here and shout. laughing
            2. AUL
              AUL 1 November 2020 17: 33 New
              -1
              Quote: Clear
              How gouged. But, on the couch, in Russia it is not visible.

              Of course gouged! Three times have already reported about the general and complete gouging of the militants! Soon, I suppose, they will report again. wassat
              1. Clear
                Clear 1 November 2020 23: 50 New
                +3
                Quote: AUL
                Quote: Clear
                How gouged. But, on the couch, in Russia it is not visible.

                Of course gouged! Three times have already reported about the general and complete gouging of the militants! Soon, I suppose, they will report again. wassat

                I sympathize with you fighters of the invisible front yes The CIA stuff that kind of money into the creation of all kinds of ISIS, by the way, for your content in the media, but that's it, you get a "bummer". Never mind, you will survive, and emoticons with bulging eyes and protruding tongue do not hide your disappointment well.

                So, again:
                ISIS has been finally defeated as a single structure. The entire international terrorist underground has suffered significant damage. The remnants will run for a long time, like Bandera's men through the forest caches.
                If about Syria, the Syrian Armed Forces, with the support of Russian aviation, liberated 1024 settlements from terrorists, 88% of the country's territory came under the control of government forces.
                As a result of the attacks of the Russian Aerospace Forces, more than 133 thousand terrorist facilities were destroyed, including illegal oil refineries, 865 gang leaders and more than 133 thousand militants were eliminated (4,5 thousand of them were from Russia and the CIS countries).
    3. Doctor
      Doctor 1 November 2020 16: 26 New
      +2
      What should Russia do? Leave Stepanakert by any means for the Armenians.

      What for?
  • Doctor
    Doctor 1 November 2020 15: 47 New
    -3
    The pro-American Pashinyan came to Armenia.
    Russia decided to remove him.
    They gave the go-ahead to Aliyev and Erdogan to take Karabakh. (We do not care whose it will be, especially since it is Azerbaijani under international law).

    When they take him away, they will understand in Armenia that Pashinyan is wrong and that they need to be friends with Russia.
    For this calculation.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 1 November 2020 15: 58 New
      -7
      Quote: Arzt
      When they take him away, they will understand in Armenia that Pashinyan is wrong and that they need to be friends with Russia.
      For this calculation.

      They understand this in Armenia, but Pashinyan is friends with Soros and will understand as Soros tells him. In general, in the realities of capitalism, cap. countries will gravitate towards those who are wealthier and more influential. Accordingly, to Europe and the United States ... And then Russia will not do anything, we simply do not have a carrot to offer ..
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 1 November 2020 16: 11 New
        +1
        They understand this in Armenia, but Pashinyan is friends with Soros and will understand as Soros tells him.

        Soros will not save Armenia. The Armenians have already understood this. Therefore, Pashinyan is a kirdyk. The diaspora in Russia will help.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 1 November 2020 16: 15 New
          -1
          Quote: Arzt
          They understand this in Armenia, but Pashinyan is friends with Soros and will understand as Soros tells him.

          Soros will not save Armenia. The Armenians have already understood this. Therefore, Pashinyan is a kirdyk. The diaspora in Russia will help.

          It does not matter what the Armenians understood .. It is important who controls them, what they understood .. The people in any country of the world do not decide anything now, all capital decides.
      2. hydroy
        hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 19 New
        0
        and where is Soros? Soros may be playing a card) and not Russia) Russia is now drowning in coronavirus, where does she care about Karabakh
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 1 November 2020 16: 43 New
          +1
          and where is Soros? Soros may be playing a card) and not Russia) Russia is now drowning in coronavirus, where does she care about Karabakh

          Yes, everything has already been played. Relations with Turkey are more important now. Azerbaijan is also needed. It's time to rein in Pashinyan.

          And whose Karabakh will be, we have always been purple.
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 1 November 2020 18: 20 New
            +1
            Karabakh is pro-Armenian.
      3. Doctor
        Doctor 1 November 2020 16: 24 New
        -1
        And then Russia won't do anything, we just don't have a carrot to offer ..

        We have a whip. You can just step on the tail of the diaspora.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 1 November 2020 16: 33 New
          -3
          Quote: Arzt
          And then Russia won't do anything, we just don't have a carrot to offer ..

          We have a whip. You can just step on the tail of the diaspora.

          The diaspora in Russia is all legalized, or almost all, has Russian citizenship. These are not Georgians ..
          And then, effective upbringing, when there is both a stick and a carrot .. Together, they work more efficiently, especially in the long term. Take the United States, on the one hand, they pour money into those countries that are interesting to them .. on the other, they tightly control them .. Just like Japan as an example.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 1 November 2020 16: 39 New
            -1
            The diaspora in Russia is all legalized, or almost all, has Russian citizenship. These are not Georgians ..
            And then, effective education, when there is a carrot and a stick.

            There are many ways. For example, to do a sweep in state institutions, as recently in the prosecutor's office.
            And there are gingerbread too. Simonyan has already voiced everything:

            1. Svarog
              Svarog 1 November 2020 16: 50 New
              -2
              There are many ways. For example, to do a sweep in state institutions, as recently in the prosecutor's office.
              And there are gingerbread too. Simonyan has already voiced everything:

              Simonyan did not voice any carrots, she only called on the Armenians to a sense of justice and gave a moralizing lecture ... But this is capitalism and here morality and justice do not work and Simonyan knows this very well .. like the people of Russia ..
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 1 November 2020 16: 51 New
                +2
                In fact, after everything you've done, Russia has every moral right to spit on you and grind you.
                But she won't do that. I'm sure. It will help this time too.

                Well then:

                In fact, after everything you've done, Russia has every moral right to spit on you and grind you.
                But she won't do that. I'm sure. It will help this time too.
                smile
      4. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 1 November 2020 18: 55 New
        -1
        If a country is friends for money, then this is not a country but ... but to maintain serious relations with such countries as to marry a whore.
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 18 New
      0
      this is the biggest nonsense)
    3. MTN
      MTN 1 November 2020 16: 35 New
      -2
      Quote: Arzt
      They gave the go-ahead to Aliyev and Erdogan to take Karabakh.

      Yuri, why are you adding Turkey? Turks will be in Karabakh? Yes, Turkey supports in the political arena, yes, Turkey helped with the acquisition of weapons. But Israel also has a merit in this victory, even Iran has it selling us mortar shells, but the greatest merit belongs to Russia. We shoot at the Armenians from Smerch, Grad, Msta and Soviet-style cannons. The sky is also protected by the Russian system. We use armored personnel carriers, Kalashnikov assault rifles. Then write honestly, write that Russia allowed to take Karabakh, for that matter. I admit that Turkey supports us, thanks to them, but there is no need to insult the Azerbaijani army and the dead guys. We are no better than the Turks, but no worse. Our army is strong enough and prepared. We donated a lot of money to the army. And so the officers were sent to study not only to Turkey, but also to Russia.

      Quote: Arzt
      When they take him away, they will understand in Armenia that Pashinyan is wrong and that they need to be friends with Russia.
      For this calculation.

      Now the Armenians are undergoing shock therapy. They are omnipotent and invincible, and their spirit, which they praise everywhere from articles to weddings, has been greatly shaken over the past month. They gradually wake up. They do not hide their hatred for Russia. The posters were a commoner and not Pashinyan. Pashinyan naturally chose the road to the west. But let's be honest and Serge wanted NATO and the West. Although he received April 2016. Here you understand how, you keep them in league with the whip. Do you need it? Leontyev said very rightly, DOWN. He will jump off as soon as they have the opportunity. You think the Kremlin does not know this. The Karabakh lever will end soon. What's next? The next mistake of the Armenians, what will happen?
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 1 November 2020 17: 02 New
        -4
        Yuri, why are you adding Turkey? Turks will be in Karabakh? Yes, Turkey supports in the political arena, yes, Turkey helped with the acquisition of weapons. But Israel also has a merit in this victory, even Iran has it selling us mortar shells, but the greatest merit belongs to Russia. We shoot at the Armenians from Smerch, Grad, Msta and Soviet-style cannons. The sky is also protected by the Russian system. We use armored personnel carriers, Kalashnikov assault rifles. Then write honestly, write that Russia allowed to take Karabakh, for that matter. I admit that Turkey supports us, thanks to them, but there is no need to insult the Azerbaijani army and the dead guys. We are no better than the Turks, but no worse. Our army is strong enough and prepared. We donated a lot of money to the army. And so the officers were sent to study not only to Turkey, but also to Russia.

        I agree with everything. It's not about the Turks in Karabakh.
        But.
        We support Turkey indirectly, because it is an ally of Azerbaijan. And the transfer of Karabakh to you IMPROVES relations between Russia and Turkey.
        And of course, Russia allowed to take Karabakh, otherwise Aliyev would not have started the operation.

        I do not want to belittle the importance of Azerbaijan, but the main goal of Russia in this game is Turkey.
        As a strategic ally. Just like 100-200 years ago. wink
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 1 November 2020 18: 25 New
          +4
          Mahmoud, the Turks are not our friend, REMEMBER
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 1 November 2020 18: 30 New
            0
            Mahmoud, the Turks are not our friend, REMEMBER

            I know. But our leaders seem to be betting on them.
            (I am not Mahmoud if what wink ).
        2. MTN
          MTN 1 November 2020 18: 28 New
          0
          Quote: Arzt
          And the transfer of Karabakh to you IMPROVES relations between Russia and Turkey.

          Definitely. I have said and I repeat once again who considers the Kremlin gentlemen to be traitors or fools, they themselves are. Without permission from Putin, the war in Karabakh will not start. Putin has 100 leverage over Azerbaijan. Russia is capable of stopping the war without a shot.

          Further ... there is one truth in your words. The Turks know very well that the West is not a friend for them, but an enemy. And the more you bend under them, the more they want to fuck you. Turkey understands that there is no reception against the western LOMA if there is no other scrap. Russia is that scrap. I bet Erdogan expects more derma from the West than from Russia.
      2. Doctor
        Doctor 1 November 2020 17: 23 New
        -2
        He will jump off as soon as they have the opportunity. You think the Kremlin does not know this. The Karabakh lever will end soon. What's next? The next mistake of Armenians, what will happen?

        Further - the inclusion of the entire Transcaucasia in the sphere of interests of Turkey. With the possible liquidation of Armenia and Georgia as separate states.

        As for Azerbaijan, you will deal with its status in the new Ottoman Empire like a brother. wink

        All this, naturally, on the condition that Turkey becomes Russia's strategic ally in the region. drinks
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 1 November 2020 18: 26 New
          +4
          Are you afraid of death? are you afraid of the Turks? are you afraid of shame?
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 1 November 2020 18: 32 New
            -1
            Are you afraid of death? are you afraid of the Turks? are you afraid of shame?

            I'm afraid of everything.
            This is just a possible forecast for the development of the situation.
            1. hydroy
              hydroy 1 November 2020 18: 36 New
              +4
              Why then bombed terrorists in Idlib?
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 1 November 2020 18: 39 New
                -2
                Why then bombed terrorists in Idlib?

                Destroyed a possible Islamic State.
                The KGB horror story of the Brezhnev era.
                Read the memoirs of Y. Drozdov. One of our president's teachers.
                That.

        2. MTN
          MTN 1 November 2020 18: 29 New
          -2
          Quote: Arzt
          Further - the inclusion of the entire Transcaucasia in the sphere of interests of Turkey. With the possible liquidation of Armenia and Georgia as separate states.

          Option. Armenia is officially a part of Russia, as de facto it is.
          The question is with Georgia. I cannot answer. It all depends on Georgia.
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 1 November 2020 18: 34 New
            +2
            Georgia either thinks on a billion-dollar profit with trade with Russia, or let it receive handouts from the master's table from the United States in the form of old Stingers and Javellins) And trade in 200 million dollars)
          2. Doctor
            Doctor 1 November 2020 18: 36 New
            0
            Option. Armenia is officially a part of Russia, as de facto it is.

            There is no common border. Enclave again?
        3. hydroy
          hydroy 1 November 2020 18: 33 New
          +2
          Our ally is Iran and Armenia in the region, Turkey is not an ally, but a momentary partner, if it were an ally, then the Russian Aerospace Forces did not bomb 100 terrorists in Idlib!
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 1 November 2020 18: 45 New
            0
            Our ally is Iran and Armenia in the region, Turkey is not an ally, but a momentary partner, if it were an ally, then the Russian Aerospace Forces did not bomb 100 terrorists in Idlib!

            Idlib is particular. If necessary, we and Hezbollah have an ally.

            https://ria.ru/20111019/464261225.html
  • D16
    D16 1 November 2020 15: 49 New
    -9
    Yes, let them fit in. They will be the first country to get rid of "Azerbaijan". laughing The logistics are good, from a legal point of view, the Azerbaijanis are right.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 20 New
      0
      and how will they please tell me?)
      1. KCA
        KCA 1 November 2020 16: 54 New
        +3
        They will get overwhelmed without problems, Erdogan will not give the use of Incirlik as a base for striking Azerbaijan, and the only option is to organize an airfield and a base in Georgia, these will go to great lengths for the sake of the master, but the question of time arises, this is not one day, to "Desert Storm" prepared for 9 months, or even more, and there was the possibility of delivery of goods by sea, the passage to the Black Sea, Erdogan, again, can block
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 1 November 2020 18: 27 New
          +2
          Erdogan will go across the dad? then NATO is the same imaginary organization as the CSTO?
      2. D16
        D16 1 November 2020 17: 54 New
        -4
        and how will they please tell me?)

        They will find themselves in complete legal wrong. And if someone is dropped off, then also with unacceptable losses.
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 1 November 2020 18: 29 New
          +3
          1. They recognize Artsakh as an unrecognized state of Kosovo
          2. They send their aircraft carriers in the Black Sea to the shores of Georgia
          3. They transport their F-35s to Georgia
          4. Further operation, I think this is possible, but only after the presidential elections!
          1. KCA
            KCA 1 November 2020 18: 51 New
            +1
            Aircraft carriers in the Black Sea? Nurse, how will they get there? Will they be transported by plane? Firstly, aircraft carriers, especially from YSU, are prohibited from crossing the Bosphorus, the USSR had to call aircraft carriers aircraft-carrying cruisers, even if the United States threatened Erdogan with war, if he didn’t let him pass, the Turks would simply drown a rusty barge, or 2, or 3, the minimum width of the Bosphorus was 700m, an aircraft carrier and so without a local pilot it will never pass, although a local can run such a fool aground, and if there is something at the bottom, then only on motor boats
            1. hydroy
              hydroy 1 November 2020 19: 02 New
              +1
              We talked about the Scandinavians) which of them? Only Norway) By the way, a competitor to Azerbaijan) Still, there is no sea, there is land, is it difficult to deliver F-35 planes and military transporters through Greece?)
  • Svarog
    Svarog 1 November 2020 15: 50 New
    -2
    All of this strongly resembles the Kosovo scenario. And if the West manages to implement it, then not only Turkey and Azerbaijan, but also Moscow may be the loser. After all, then the Russian influence in the South Caucasus will have to be forgotten for a long time

    Rather, in this case, only Moscow will be the loser. Finally losing influence. Actually, this is the goal of the United States and NATO. Russia is slowly but surely being squeezed out of the post-Soviet space ..
    1. D16
      D16 1 November 2020 16: 08 New
      0
      Russia is slowly but surely being squeezed out of the post-Soviet space ..

      And before that, the whole of Azerbaijan traveled in Priors and flew the Il-96? laughing Without touching the weapons theme, what is the Russian influence on Az?
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 1 November 2020 16: 13 New
        -4
        Quote: D16
        Russia is slowly but surely being squeezed out of the post-Soviet space ..

        And before that, the whole of Azerbaijan traveled in Priors and flew the Il-96? laughing Without touching the weapons theme, what is the Russian influence on Az?

        Before that .. what is it? Here it is important to understand what time period we are talking about .. But the fact remains that Russia's influence is becoming less and less, and after this war there will be no more.
        1. D16
          D16 1 November 2020 16: 20 New
          -1
          Well yes. Probably under Russian influence, Armenia evicted 20% of Az. laughing
        2. D16
          D16 2 November 2020 21: 31 New
          0
          Before that .. what is it?

          Before the current war. Az is our competitor in the global market. How can Russia influence him? How did it influence? Az's position is absolutely clear and progmatic. While they are doing everything correctly and logically. Trying to influence her is pointless. If the databases are transferred to the territory of the Republic of Armenia, there will be variants. While Az is waging a war of liberation on its own territory, Russia's VPR cannot influence anything, and most likely does not want to.
      2. hydroy
        hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 21 New
        +2
        And before that, the Russian market was beneficial to Azerbaijan, and now Israel has even connected)
        1. D16
          D16 1 November 2020 16: 27 New
          -2
          New positions, new suppliers. We have some obligations to Armenia, although the Ars clearly do not deserve their fulfillment.
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 31 New
            -1
            Yes, they do not deserve, but Azerbaijan crossed all the lines in this war and separates us from the Transcaucasus
            1. D16
              D16 1 November 2020 16: 33 New
              0
              And you can list the "criminals" in more detail laughing edge?
              1. hydroy
                hydroy 1 November 2020 18: 21 New
                +6
                Phosphorus bombs, pro-Turkish mercenaries, Turkish fighters, what else is needed? Is Azerbaijan pro-Russian?
    2. MTN
      MTN 1 November 2020 16: 23 New
      -3
      Quote: Svarog
      Rather, in this case, only Moscow will be the loser. Finally losing influence. Actually, this is the goal of the United States and NATO.

      Another thing is interesting. On whose initiative is the US introducing peacekeepers to Karabakh? How will they do it? Explain the logistics to me ......... Will cargo planes arrive in Baku? And from there by trucks? It's impossible. By ship to Georgia and why by train or trucks ............ where? To Armenia? Or by air to Armenia? Americans feel at home in Armenia.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 1 November 2020 16: 26 New
        -4
        Quote: MTN
        On whose initiative is the United States introducing peacekeepers to Karabakh?

        For now ... and unfortunately ... in this world the initiative comes from the United States ... and the United States does not act on someone's initiative .. Albright, Soros, Brzezinski have repeatedly voiced a long-term strategy towards Russia and work in this direction is not one the day does not stop ..
        1. MTN
          MTN 1 November 2020 18: 32 New
          -1
          Quote: Svarog
          For now ... and unfortunately ... in this world the initiative comes from the United States ...

          The word of the White House is not worth a dime. Without permission, they cannot go to such impudence. Only a UN mandate should be. Pashinyan can give this permission. They just don't give it out.
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 1 November 2020 17: 44 New
        0
        How will they do it? Explain the logistics to me .........


        Have you ever seen the trademark of the Americans - moving the Marines through the air ?! Your consciousness lives in an interesting light ... If they want to move directly to the center of Baku and you will understand this when you are crushed by a vegetable shop. laughing
        Although Edik will fill the little ones up to this and leave you alone with the "plohim" Anglo-Saxons. And by the way, one small victory over the bad guys would not harm Trumpushkin now ... if he thinks of it and a northern animal comes to you ... laughing
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 1 November 2020 20: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          Have you ever seen the trademark of the Americans - moving the Marines through the air ?! Your consciousness lives in an interesting light ... If they want to move directly to the center of Baku and you will understand this when you crush a vegetable shop

          How couch strategists amuse me ... American Marines are no better than Russian airborne forces. I didn't see the invisible people there. Ordinary guys run and shoot a lot. nothing special. Stop getting carried away with fairy tales. laughing
    3. ximkim
      ximkim 1 November 2020 16: 32 New
      -2
      Armenia is not the whole Caucasus. Russia should be alarmed by the fact that within its borders (7 subjects), and not abroad ... While it is looking at what is there, everything can fall apart.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 1 November 2020 16: 36 New
        -2
        Quote: ximkim
        Armenia is not the whole Caucasus. Russia should be alarmed by the fact that within its borders (7 subjects), and not abroad ... While it is looking at what is there, everything can fall apart.

        From a military point of view, this is a big mistake ... to think so, and from an economic point of view. But I agree that domestic politics is no less important.
        1. ximkim
          ximkim 1 November 2020 16: 47 New
          -2
          The big mistake is not paying attention to your regions. Can you imagine if there are candidates for the Nobel Prize from any subject of the North Caucasus Federal District? I can not imagine. We need examples (good ones), not just an automaton and bases. hi
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 1 November 2020 16: 59 New
            -4
            Quote: ximkim
            The big mistake is not paying attention to your regions. Can you imagine if there are candidates for the Nobel Prize from any subject of the North Caucasus Federal District? I can not imagine. We need examples (good ones), not just an automaton and bases. hi

            With a Colt in hand, any negotiations are more successful .. So machine guns and bases are needed .. Such is the Selyavi ..
        2. D16
          D16 1 November 2020 16: 53 New
          -3
          From a military point of view, this is a big mistake ... to think so, and from an economic point of view.

          And if you look at it from a legal point of view? The law is for everyone laughing
  • dgonni
    dgonni 1 November 2020 15: 52 New
    +1
    And you can refer to the proof where the states wrote for the fact that they can recognize Nagorno-Karabakh as an independent state?
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 1 November 2020 15: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: dgonni
      And you can refer to the proof where the states wrote for the fact that they can recognize Nagorno-Karabakh as an independent state?

      It's easy to check, you just have to look at Trump's twitter. laughing
      1. MTN
        MTN 1 November 2020 16: 19 New
        -2
        Quote: dgonni
        for being able to recognize Nagorno-Karabakh as an independent state?

        Good question. Stanislav Tarasov from the pro-Armenian Regnum will write what the one who pays him says. Its entire article is like a 2-sided coin. He writes confused words. They say Russia will speak for Armenia in the CSTO, but then he writes interestingly, in terms of the Foreign Ministry,
        In this situation, Putin managed to reaffirm his commitments to Armenia as a partner in the CSTO and not allow himself to be drawn into this conflict.

        the reader sees that Russia will help, and at the end he writes the reality that Russia will not stand up for Karabakh, but look how the radish writes? That's how it is with them! The main emotions are the first feelings.


        Quote: Tank Hard
        It's easy to check, you just have to look at Trump's twitter.

        Trump did not say that he recognizes Karabakh. This is an additional premium to the article from Armenians. Money doesn't smell
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 1 November 2020 20: 46 New
          0
          Quote: MTN
          Trump did not say that he recognizes Karabakh. This is an additional premium to the article from Armenians. Money doesn't smell

          Even if we admit that he recognizes, they say the hemorrhoids will not diminish from this, but they will raise new pitchforks.
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 21 New
      +2
      10 States + a project is already underway to the Senate, everything can be
  • denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 1 November 2020 15: 56 New
    +2
    A complex relationship between two free states, independent of imperial Russia and the ancients. Their thousand-year wisdom from the creation of the world will allow them to find all the answers themselves.
    It's not our business.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 1 November 2020 16: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: denis obuckov
      Difficult relationship two free, independent of imperial Russia and ancient states... Their thousand-year wisdom from the creation of the world will allow them to find all the answers themselves.
      It's not our business.

      To tears! Plus. hi
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 22 New
      0
      Then let's leave Armenia, remove 102 bases
      1. Clear
        Clear 1 November 2020 16: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: hydroy
        Then let's leave Armenia, remove 102 bases

        And, the base is already our, Russian interests.
  • ism_ek
    ism_ek 1 November 2020 15: 58 New
    +1
    The Armenians in 1988 presented us with a "difficult choice". All these events, and then Baku and Sumgait, the referendum that Armenia boycotted ... Don't pay attention to the cries of the Armenians. They themselves are to blame for all this.
    What difference does it make to us who owns Karabakh? I think you need to stupidly stock up on popcorn and watch.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 23 New
      -7
      Azerbaijan will have further expansion to the west. By the way, two of our border guards have already died
      1. D16
        D16 1 November 2020 16: 58 New
        +2
        By the way, two of our border guards have already died

        Who?
        1. MTN
          MTN 1 November 2020 18: 34 New
          -4
          Quote: D16

          Who?

          Russian Embassy in Yerevan accuses Armenian journalists of disinformation
          18:55

          The Russian Embassy in Armenia denied information about the deaths of two Russian border guards in the conflict zone.

          “This is not true. We urge the media to be careful and balanced about this kind of information stuffing, ”the embassy said in a statement.

          Note that earlier the press secretary of the Armenian Defense Ministry Shushan Stepanyan neither confirmed nor denied the information about the death of Russian border guards.
      2. MTN
        MTN 1 November 2020 18: 35 New
        -3
        Quote: hydroy
        Azerbaijan will have further expansion to the west. By the way, two of our border guards have already died

        I hope you blush from your lies?
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 1 November 2020 18: 58 New
          +2
          different infa about the border guards, their press secretary did not refute the information, about the expansion can be found, probably for internal use: the leader of the country believes that the Iravan Khanate, Zangezur and Goyche are the land of the Azerbaijani people.

          And we, Azerbaijanis, must return to this historical land. This is our political and strategic goal, which we must gradually approach.
        2. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 1 November 2020 19: 13 New
          0
          Such faces do not have to blush.
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 1 November 2020 20: 19 New
            0
            border guards stuffed Armenian radio, most likely, but let's see, expansion for presidential elections so that radicals would vote for Aliyev)
  • flicker
    flicker 1 November 2020 16: 02 New
    -6
    In Karabakh, Russia was faced with a difficult choice
    Yes, before a very difficult choice.
    ---
    Well, nothing, we will adopt Zircon and ourselves will begin to present our "partners" with a difficult choice. bully
    ---
    "Zircon" is the best cure for cunning. . puff.
    1. D16
      D16 1 November 2020 17: 35 New
      0
      We need to follow the example of amers and withdraw from the missile non-proliferation treaty beyond 300 km. That will squeal! Moreover, there is something to sell laughing .
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 1 November 2020 16: 05 New
    -3
    Washington has already begun consultations on the deployment of an international peacekeeping contingent to Nagorno-Karabakh, without asking the consent of Baku and Yerevan.

    And how will it look like in nature? Will they drop by parachutes?
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 24 New
      -2
      as they like, the squadron will be connected by planes)
      1. D16
        D16 1 November 2020 17: 01 New
        -2
        as they like, the squadron will be connected by planes)

        In the Black, Caspian or Aral? laughing
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 1 November 2020 18: 22 New
          +1
          in the Black Sea, plus airfields in Georgia
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 1 November 2020 20: 28 New
            0
            Quote: hydroy
            as they like, the squadron will be connected by planes)

            Quote: hydroy
            in the Black Sea, plus airfields in Georgia

            Have you read the Montreux Convention on the Regime of the Black Sea Straits, or at least heard about it? What the fuck is a squadron if there are tonnage restrictions for states outside the Black Sea basin? And finally, do the Turks need it? They need Azerbaijan to give the Armenians. So they will not let the squadron into the straits and will be formally right.
    2. flicker
      flicker 1 November 2020 18: 46 New
      -1
      to look like? Will they drop by parachutes?
      It looks like from space laughing
  • Tugarin
    Tugarin 1 November 2020 16: 05 New
    18
    the US Congress began to talk about the possible official recognition by the United States of this unrecognized republic

    Since Russia does not interfere in the conflict, the United States decided to tease her a little.
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 1 November 2020 16: 06 New
    -5
    S. Tarasov and that says it all ...
  • newcomer
    newcomer 1 November 2020 16: 06 New
    -1
    As I already noted in the last comments that "Russia is losing prestige, for now. It is worse." He also noted that the Yankees would settle on the remnants of the RA, after being defeated by the Turkish_Azero_ terrorist gang. The Ottomans settled on the territory of the Azeri. What picture do we see now? But the Yankees will climb_ Trump needs a little military renegade to settle the situation both inside and outside the country. The Russian Federation only needed to indicate its presence in the NKR and there would not be a similar picture now. And ahead is the second series: "drawing" of the Transnistrian card, but what is the PMR with self-realization of the people's will possible, but not NKR? Why? Yes, and asked the PMR in the RF_ they did not take it, would they really take the NKR? This is me about those who shout: "What do we need from this Artsakh?" And now we have something to read and hear from the Yankees.
    1. D16
      D16 1 November 2020 17: 08 New
      -3
      Quote: newbie
      He also noted that the Yankees would settle on the remnants of the RA, after being defeated by the Turkish_Azero_ terrorist gang

      And they will settle there anyway, whatever the outcome. Pashinyan and the current president will not be allowed to lie, even without Az. We must take it for granted. People have not yet stepped on all the rake. laughing
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 1 November 2020 20: 49 New
      -3
      Quote: newbie
      But the Yankees will get in_ Trump needs a little military reckoning to settle the situation both inside and outside the country. RF just needed to indicate its presence

      Come on, tell us how the Yankees will be able to transfer any significant contingent to Armenia. By submarines across the Iravan Ocean ?! Or through Georgia, if through Georgia, then how?
  • Dave36
    Dave36 1 November 2020 16: 07 New
    -8
    NK is the land of Azerbaijan, the GDP gave an assessment to this event, this is a sentence to the people of Ararat ... It is a pity for ordinary Armenians, they died and will still die thanks to mediocrity at the top. If Pashinyan had a sober assessment of the situation, he would have begun the evacuation of Armenians from Karabakh long ago ... motivating to save his people from death ... in his place, shoot himself ...
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 25 New
      +4
      the verdict is your reasoning)
      1. Dave36
        Dave36 1 November 2020 17: 48 New
        -3
        Man, why are you aggressive and fantasizing? GDP clearly said - 5 + 2 .... Aliyev said, Armenians, let them live, but as citizens of Azerbaijan .. I am not on whose side at all, I just feel sorry for the ordinary people who got into the meat grinder. And yes, Smolensk, that's another story ...
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 26 New
      +3
      Armenians will not evacuate, would you be asked to evacuate from Smolensk if you lived there?)
      1. MTN
        MTN 1 November 2020 18: 43 New
        -3
        Quote: hydroy
        Armenians will not evacuate, would you be asked to evacuate from Smolensk if you lived there?)

        They lived for centuries earlier as part of Azerbaijan and its khanates. Over the centuries. The last 30 years have been living in poverty in Karabakh. They are not asked to leave Smolensk, they are asked or to recognize the power that has been for centuries and to live in peace or to Armenia
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 1 November 2020 19: 09 New
          0
          There were different periods, but in recent years they lived for centuries with Azerbaijanis and defended each other, but then, when they received sovereignty, they began to find fault with each other, by the way, all this garbage went from the Armenians, after sovereignty they drove the Azerbaijanis out of Armenia, did not cut them, they drove them out. Then the mood began to deteriorate and the newcomers decided to take revenge, Sumgait and Baku came, there were murders, then Karabakh decided to leave the ASSR, but they did not give it, they considered the referendum illegitimate. And of course, an operation to restore order began, which ended in the loss of Azerbaijan's territories around Nagorno-Karabakh. There was also the Khojaly massacre, according to some sources by Armenians, according to others by Azerbaijanis, in order to remove the president
      2. flicker
        flicker 1 November 2020 18: 50 New
        -1
        Armenians will not evacuate
        Maybe they won't.
        Only Karabakh is being dumped ... and what is most horrible is the Armenian diaspora in the United States.
    3. hydroy
      hydroy 1 November 2020 16: 26 New
      +2
      Evacuated from his hometown, where he lived all his life?
      1. D16
        D16 1 November 2020 17: 21 New
        -5
        Evacuated from his hometown, where he lived all his life?

        And if this city belonged to a bunch of other people, but once you came with a shotgun, and said that now this is your city. Well, about like the Jews laughing
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 1 November 2020 20: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: D16
          And if this city belonged to a bunch of other people, but once you came with a shotgun, and said that now this is your city. Well, about like the Jews

          Unless one considers that Jewish history in Israel and specifically in Jerusalem is more than 3000 years old. The Arabs came much later, about 1000 years ago, and also, mind you, not with an olive branch in their hands, but with all kinds of piercing-cutting iron. They would have come with a shotgun, but in those days the firearm had not yet been invented.
          1. D16
            D16 2 November 2020 21: 46 New
            -1
            Unless one considers that Jewish history in Israel and specifically in Jerusalem is more than 3000 years old.

            Yeah. And America belonged to the Indians. Shall we bring America back to the Redskins? ) In the foreseeable past, Jews began to settle in those Palestines at the end of the 19th century, and all the subsequent time they reshape the local map with a shotgun in their hands to fit their wishlist.
    4. D16
      D16 1 November 2020 17: 23 New
      -2
      If Pashinyan had a sober assessment of the situation, he would have started evacuating Armenians from Karabakh long ago ...

      This would be the end of his career laughing .
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 1 November 2020 19: 19 New
        0
        The Armenians themselves wrote that 105 thousand people left Karabakh for Armenia. If so, then they did the right thing. It's safer (when there is shooting around) When everything is calm, who wants to (local, not Yerevan and brought from Syria) can return to their homes.
    5. Revolver
      Revolver 1 November 2020 20: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Dave36
      in his place, shoot himself

      That is how it will most likely end. Pashinyan will shoot himself with two bullets in the back of the head, like one suicide who was unlucky enough to get in the way of Bill Clinton and his vixen. Or hang himself, also with a test in the back of the head.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 1 November 2020 16: 11 New
    +1
    "For the Kremlin, which must have calculated the possible development of events in the region, there shouldn't have been any surprises, but for some reason they did."

    Unexpected surprises always take place.
    The professionalism of professionals is precisely what
    Determine in advance what and where can go wrong. And how are we going to fight it.
  • MTN
    MTN 1 November 2020 16: 13 New
    -2
    the US Congress began to talk about the possible official recognition by the United States of this unrecognized republic with all the ensuing consequences.

    again the Armenian radio was turned on. They say this, they say this, they say another.

    The United States will not be able to send its troops there.
    1. flicker
      flicker 1 November 2020 18: 56 New
      -2
      The United States will not be able to send its troops there.
      And they don't want to.
      For them to send troops there means harming themselves first of all.
      First of all, this will cause (to put it mildly) discontent, first of all, in Azerbaijan, Turkey and Iran. All three states will be forced and will strive to enlist the support of Russia.
  • Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 1 November 2020 16: 17 New
    -8
    maskvichki + tagged + wrestling alkanaut = selling the country for chewing gum
  • Alena-Baku
    Alena-Baku 1 November 2020 16: 21 New
    -2
    Tarasov does not respect himself to read, he used to write on the Armenian site of the nk.ru and always carried the bullshit. Where are his forecasts and analysts, it seems he always painted a different picture.
  • svoit
    svoit 1 November 2020 16: 22 New
    -1
    Quote: 1976AG
    that as long as the airspace is open, there are no problems,

    As long as it is open on a narrow section of the Iranian-Armenian border, no one knows for how long. It may close
  • Alien From
    Alien From 1 November 2020 16: 38 New
    -1
    Turkey has already begun to punish mattresses, for all the stories that Erdogan has done.
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 1 November 2020 17: 03 New
      -1
      If, nevertheless, the Azerbaijani army with the help of Turkey establishes control over Karabakh, its population and Armenia will face an unenviable fate. By a 30-year transport and economic blockade, which will continue further, but with the likelihood that the open border with Iran may close, falling under the control of the Azerbaijani army.
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 1 November 2020 17: 04 New
        0
        Even if Karabakh manages to remain within its current borders without adjacent "occupied" regions, organizing the protection of the border perimeter will require huge funds and human resources, which the foreign Armenian diaspora can hardly provide quickly. That is, you will have to live like on a volcano, every hour to wait for the trouble that Azerbaijan will try to bring. Without fundamentally resolving issues of national security, neither Armenia nor Karabakh will ever be able to achieve further full-fledged economic development.
    2. D16
      D16 1 November 2020 17: 41 New
      -2
      Turkey has already begun to punish mattresses

      Nothing stimulates development like such "punishments" laughing
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 1 November 2020 18: 06 New
        0
        Maybe, maybe ........ however, the sultan almost lost his head ...
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 1 November 2020 16: 57 New
    0
    In Karabakh, Russia was faced with a difficult choice

    Russia declared itself the successor of the Soviet Union, assumed the international obligations of the disintegrated country to the world community. Why is Russia so persistently placing on its shoulders the burden of problems that, in the current "sanctions" situation, it "won’t get it for nothing"?
    The economic, territorial, natural resource “showdowns” between neighbors are understandable - defending the right of sovereignty and independence. But why suddenly the long-standing problem of two states has become urgent for Russia, in which it chose a country as its "wards" that does not even have a common border with it?

    It is clear that Azerbaijan, no matter how it relates to the Russian Federation, is included in the group of countries of the Caspian region. How is Armenia “tied” to us, that Russian soldiers will have to become a bargaining chip in this Caucasian civil strife? Who, in the end, was such a "toothy and formidable" able to put Russia in front of a difficult choice? Which choice? Have a lot to choose from? Or is someone so seriously embedded in the political, economic, military, social life of our country that we can’t live without him?
    And if, after weighing all the pros and cons, analyzing the development of current events and forecasts for the future, decide why suddenly, choosing such “kind, soft and fluffy” partners, it is Russia that becomes a hostage of some unpleasant, sometimes tragic situations? Perhaps the Russian choice was initially made incorrectly? Maybe in your aspirations to find friends you need to discard mercantile interests and be guided by state interests? It's so simple: “first think about your homeland, and then about yourself” ...
    There is a saying: "Measure seven times ..." Why, having discarded popular wisdom, the Russian authorities is in a hurry to "cut"? Or do they have no time?
    Then: a difficult choice, tough confrontation, critical situations, infringement of sovereignty and state interests - will be our constant companions.
    hi
  • Konnick
    Konnick 1 November 2020 17: 04 New
    -1
    Turkey counted on a quick victory in the Karabakh conflict, fighting with Armenia by the hands of Azerbaijan, but something went wrong
    What went wrong? And how did you know about the calculation of a quick victory?
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 1 November 2020 17: 18 New
      0
      The conclusion, which without a digression into history and in-depth analysis suggests itself - without joining the Russian Empire, Armenia could not physically survive. Without becoming a part of the Soviet Union, with all its shortcomings, it would not have been able to bring its industry and science to the highest level. Today, Armenia will not be able to stop the war in Artsakh and guarantee its security, to resist Turkey together with Azerbaijan without Russia. More than 200 years ago, the issue of the national security of Armenia and Artsakh was resolved according to the Gulistan Peace Treaty by the entry of Karabakh, Armenia (the Iravan Khanate) and a number of other regions into the Russian Empire. Moreover, this was the desire and choice of the Armenians themselves. The Armenians used a proverb: "It is better to chew Russian grass than Persian bread."

      The war in Karabakh seriously raises the question of the further fate of not only Artsakh, but also Armenia. Today, one of the general tasks of the Russian leadership is the restoration of the former USSR on new principles.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 1 November 2020 20: 56 New
        0
        Quote: fn34440
        ... Today, one of the general tasks of the Russian leadership is the restoration of the former USSR on new principles.

        Personally, I don't need this. And you can fantasize until you drop.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 1 November 2020 17: 32 New
    -3
    Quote: Konnick
    Turkey counted on a quick victory in the Karabakh conflict, fighting with Armenia by the hands of Azerbaijan, but something went wrong
    What went wrong? And how did you know about the calculation of a quick victory?

    Is Tarasov minus?
  • nonsense
    nonsense 1 November 2020 17: 42 New
    +3
    :) Have you read Stanislav Lem's story "Inquiry"? - The situations are very similar! And the conclusion should also be made similar - don't choose at all! American base in Karabakh? - Yes, do not care! The Americans have already settled in Georgia - so there is more base, less base - what difference does it make to us? Let them waste their resources on it!
    PS: as an answer to such a base, a real base in Cuba (Venezuela? Nicaragua?)
  • Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 1 November 2020 17: 55 New
    +1
    I will speak out in complete cut with the local "mainstream", but the fact for anyone who visits Karabakh is that 99% of Karabakh residents (not to be confused with Armenians from the "mainland") for joining Russia. It is Russia, not Armenia - I made no reservation ...
    Karabakh people cannot see themselves without Russia. And where is here:
    "In Karabakh, Russia was faced with a difficult choice" - I do not understand.
    PS For general knowledge - almost all Armenians of Karabakh are fluent in Russian.
  • Cottager452
    Cottager452 1 November 2020 18: 02 New
    +3
    Something went wrong?
    Yes, the fact that no one expected that the Armenians would be able to hold out for so long.
  • Arnaut
    Arnaut 1 November 2020 18: 02 New
    +3
    If Russia does not solve the Karabakh problem with an iron fist in two months, the new / old US president will very quickly solve it.
    And after a while they will begin to probe the North Caucasus.

    The draining of the Armenians (namely, the Armenians, and not the Soros, as the capitulators want to present) is a signal to everyone who is guided by Russia: "You will not be protected, you will be thrown, you will be accused of something and thrown. Count only on yourself or lie under the West, China or Islamists. "
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 November 2020 18: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Arnaut
      If Russia does not solve the Karabakh problem with an iron fist in two months, the new / old US president will very quickly solve it.
      And after a while they will begin to probe the North Caucasus.

      The draining of the Armenians (namely, the Armenians, and not the Soros, as the capitulators want to present) is a signal to everyone who is guided by Russia: "You will not be protected, you will be thrown, you will be accused of something and thrown. Count only on yourself or lie under the West, China or Islamists. "

      Well, actually, the question is very simple, everyone needs to go to bed China West States And in Russia, like, you don't need to go to bed
  • Kushka
    Kushka 1 November 2020 18: 24 New
    +2
    Where Russia, relatively speaking, has a simpler position
    (I repeat again, of course) - the position of the GDP is there
    solid - neither in Luhansk nor in Donetsk, cannot
    we are talking about transferring the border under the control of Ukraine
    slaughter will begin - this is literally Putin.
    And what, there will be no massacre in Karabakh? And where is SOLID
    GDP position? Or God be with them, the Karabakh people?
    1. D16
      D16 1 November 2020 19: 04 New
      0
      And what, there will be no massacre in Karabakh?

      IMHO no. They themselves will disperse to relatives.
      Or God be with them, the Karabakh people?

      Is God with them? Hardly lol .
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 1 November 2020 19: 25 New
        +1
        So Christians! And the kids are small there, not guilty of anything ...
        NOT CONSISTENT! In the LPR and DPR (on the territory of another
        states, I emphasize) we firmly insist on the LINE
        differentiation (before the adoption of laws, the implementation of local
        elections, etc.), otherwise there will be CUTTING. In Transnistria, by the way,
        similarly.
        But Karabakh (again on the territory of another state)
        we are deeply (exponentially) indifferent - massacre, so massacre.
        (here both the Chinese and the Turks, and also the Americans ... they want to deliver,
        or something, in short, it's all dumb ..... well them, these Armenians)
        1. D16
          D16 2 November 2020 22: 07 New
          0
          NOT CONSISTENT! In the LPR and DPR (on the territory of another
          states, I emphasize) we firmly insist on the LINE
          differentiation (before the adoption of laws, the implementation of local
          elections, etc.), otherwise there will be CUTTING. In Transnistria, by the way,
          similarly.

          Armenia was offered a completely fair and logical way to resolve the Karabakh issue. And no innocent children would have suffered, for the fulfillment of the agreement by both parties would have been ensured by Russia. But the proud highlanders, at their own peril and risk, decided not to return the occupied territories of Az. So who is their doctor? The macaws seized someone else's and did not want to return, explaining that they needed these territories more. Now they will lose everything. And Karabakh as well. What does Russia care about them?
          1. Kushka
            Kushka 2 November 2020 23: 33 New
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            The doctor turns out to be Turkey. This is how she will say
            so it will be. Indeed, what does Russia have to do with it.
            This was RI, and the USSR was at-
            And Russia ... Kemsk parish, take it.
            King, very nice, king ...
            1. D16
              D16 3 November 2020 07: 39 New
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              Why are you so worried about Finland and the Baltic states. Land honestly conquered and purchased from the Swedes. It turns out Here we play, here we do not play, but here we wrapped the fish. lol Turks from Az are actually one people and Turkey's influence in Az will grow until its economy goes bankrupt.
              1. Kushka
                Kushka 3 November 2020 12: 41 New
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                Well Finns, Latvians and Estonians, it seems like a long time ago stabbing
                excluded from their political practice. Vaughn and the Irish
                have grown in their civilization to the ability to decide
                questions without massacres and explosions, now the Scots will
                to take the exam. Note, this is reality, in the center of Europe,
                Czechs and Slovaks - showed aerobatics. But the further from
                the center of Europe, the more medieval savagery - all
                what the mind is enough for is to shoot and cut - Afghan, Libya,
                Syria. And indifferently look (and we have to do with), like savages
                dragging the world into the Middle Ages, cynically. Do you think why
                millions of people from these countries at risk of drowning, suffocation
                in the hold, running away from this world - just to eat? And where are they
                run away - to the center of Europe, where they no longer cut or burn
                (took root in 1939-1945, while it works)
                Therefore, I am sad that Azerbaijan is rolling into the Middle Ages.
                In what century would you define them by comparing them with Czechs and Slovaks?
                And if their GDP is at least a hundred times greater (there is power, no mind is needed) -
                killing thousands of people is savagery!
                1. D16
                  D16 3 November 2020 18: 25 New
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                  Do you think why
                  millions of people from these countries at risk of drowning, suffocation
                  in the hold, running away from this world - just to eat?

                  Exactly. They would live perfectly on their lands and would not interfere with anyone if the climate did not change. These millions of refugees flock to the best food places, bringing with them intolerance towards representatives of other religions, barbarism and crime. For them, this is a normal, natural environment. One of the reasons for the outbreak of the Syrian war was the mass exodus of Sunnis from rural areas to cities as a result of drought and uncontrolled withdrawal of water by Turkey from Euphrates for their own agricultural needs. In fact, this is a war between the townspeople and the village gopota that came in large numbers, to whom the mullahs quickly explained who was to blame for their problems.
                  In what century would you define them by comparing them with Czechs and Slovaks?

                  If the Czechs or Slovaks in the 90s staged a small-town genocide and drove them from the agricultural lands that fed them, their grandfathers and fathers, depriving them of their livelihood, it would be the same.
                  killing thousands of people is savagery!

                  During the Syrian war, the Aerospace Forces killed more than one thousand homeless people and I am not at all ashamed of my countrysmile
                  1. Kushka
                    Kushka 3 November 2020 23: 24 New
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                    If - in history does not roll.
                  2. Kushka
                    Kushka 3 November 2020 23: 30 New
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                    Yes, at least not one tens of thousands - there are tens of millions.
                    Syria is not about that at all, not once. We need an army
                    and the fleet in real conditions to teach to fight, weapons,
                    improve the technique, run in the fire. You
                    Do you read the news from the foe?
                  3. Kushka
                    Kushka 3 November 2020 23: 34 New
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                    If Czechs or Slovaks in the 90s staged a small-town genocide and drove them from agricultural lands that fed them, them and their fathers, depriving them of their livelihood, it would be the same[i] [/ i]

                    Past-in history "if" does not roll.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 1 November 2020 19: 30 New
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      Quote: Kushka
      And what, there will be no massacre in Karabakh? And where is SOLID
      GDP position? Or God be with them, the Karabakh people?

      Fir-trees! Look how the Azerbaijanis convinced the captive Armenians that they were "kind and fluffy"!
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 1 November 2020 19: 47 New
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        I mean that Russia OPENly acts as an ARBITER
        between Moldova and the PMR, between Ukraine and the LPR / DPR,
        thus emphasizing that this is a zone of influence of Russia.
        And, as we know, this is obvious to everyone in the world.
        Russia has no status on the Karabakh issue yet!
        Are we conceding it (status)? Who? On what terms?
  • Oleg4477
    Oleg4477 1 November 2020 18: 24 New
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    Stalin's strategy: http://aaijsornel.temp.swtest.ru/
  • flicker
    flicker 1 November 2020 18: 38 New
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    Ruble heading
    In Karabakh, Russia was faced with a difficult choice

    content for a penny
    Washington has already begun consultations on the deployment of an international peacekeeping contingent to Nagorno-Karabakh, without asking the consent of Baku and Yerevan.

    This would be the best gift for us. But unfortunately it will not be.
    ---
    First of all, the geldings themselves will not go to him.
    For by this input they put an end to their own PROJECT - Great Turan.
    Great Turan is an Anglo-Saxon project, the purpose of which is to "excite" the Turkish society at the beginning, and then all the other Turkic-speaking states and republics.
    Great Turan can only be born in war, and in a war in the territories of the former Soviet Union and within Russia.
    In reality, this project is a chimera, because the Great Turan (in its territory) will claim world hegemony - and the Anglo-Saxons are not so naive as to breed competitors for themselves.
    The Great Turan is an instrument in the hands of the Anglo-Saxons, which they created for a couple of decades, turned Turkey from the desire to join the EU in the direction of neo-Ottomanism - i.e. there were huge financial and image costs.
    They did not go in order to ruin everything by sending troops to Karabakh.
    ---
    ZY But to try, with the imaginary introduction of troops into Karabakh, to force Russia to get involved in the war is yes.
    But Russia sees all the attempts to draw itself into an unnecessary conflict.
  • D16
    D16 1 November 2020 18: 53 New
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    Quote: fn34440
    The most unexpected and interesting option is the separate entry of Artsakh into Russia.

    Great idea. Dump all the Karabakh smut on Russia lol No really. Let the ancient peoples figure it out on their own laughing .
  • Mikhail S.
    Mikhail S. 1 November 2020 18: 58 New
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    If the United States guarantees that Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan, Armenia guarantees the safety of the population, then all parties to the conflict can agree to this. The peacekeepers may not necessarily be the Americans, but certainly not Russia. This can suit all interested parties, except maybe Turkey.
  • os9165
    os9165 1 November 2020 19: 03 New
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    It is dashing to drag the chestnuts out of the fire with someone else's hands, but Turkey's expansion cannot be stopped by getting involved in this war.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 1 November 2020 19: 16 New
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    Oh, the Russian zone of influence, but is it in general? Or is it the remnants of imperial ambitions from the union and the phantom mriya of individual rowers? We have influenced a lot of things that all and sundry spit before getting a freebie from us and especially after.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 November 2020 19: 18 New
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    This is from your point of view. Pashinyan had other intentions))) He thought Putin would write him now how Russia could help, and then he would trump. And in response he received "read the contract." Those. no one even talked to him. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 November 2020 19: 23 New
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    If Armenia declares war on Azerbaijan or starts the first military actions against Azerbaijan from its own territory or from the territory of NK by regular units, then there will be no question of any support for the CSTO at all, even if, as a result, Azerbaijani troops will storm Yerevan.
  • opuonmed
    opuonmed 1 November 2020 19: 26 New
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    RF bent down and said you have no way out)
  • Revolver
    Revolver 1 November 2020 19: 38 New
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    Right now, before the elections, the Trump administration has nothing else to do except get involved in the conflict and recognize the "independent Artsax", which even Armenia has not officially recognized until now. Fence grass at the author.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 1 November 2020 21: 00 New
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      Quote: Nagan
      Right now, just before the elections, the Trump administration has nothing else to do but get involved in the conflict and recognize the "independent Artsax"

      Yes, talking your tongue is not tossing bags, nothing is easier than making a promise, but doing it is the tenth thing. but how much noise already. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 November 2020 20: 54 New
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    "Do not ruin my dear father, do not let my little and not very proud Armenia be mocked by enemies." laughing Where is the TURKISH ARMY RECEIVED? wassat laughing
  • Karabin
    Karabin 1 November 2020 21: 58 New
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    Thus, Russia faced a difficult choice of its further strategy in this region.

    Woke up. The difficult choice was 5 years ago. Now Azerbaijan is tied to Turkey, and the Armenians to Soros. Kremlin strategists can only shrug their shoulders. Except how to use hydrocarbons, they are not capable of anything.
  • flicker
    flicker 1 November 2020 22: 05 New
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    In Karabakh, Russia was faced with a difficult choice
    The difficult choice is that both peoples are friendly to us. But, unfortunately, they take opposite positions regarding the fate of Karabakh. And these positions resulted in hostilities, which we cannot stop without ruining relations with one of the peoples.
    ---
    As for the entry of American troops into the territory of Karabakh (officially the territory of Azerbaijan), this step is practically impossible.
    Since Azerbaijan will be sharply opposed. And who will he turn to for help?
    This will greatly strain Iran. And from whom can he find understanding in this regard?
    The Turks, after such a step of geldings, will lose all chances even to speak to their people about the great Turan. Those. on the great Turan it will be possible to put a fat cross.
    ---
    And given the fact that the great Turan is an Anglo-Saxon PROJECT, decades have been spent on its promotion, huge financial and image losses, a suitable leader (an incandescent nationalist and ignoramus) Erdogan has been chosen, Hakan Fidan is assigned to control and manage the latter.
    ---
    With the help of this PROJECT, the geldings hoped to revolt the Turkic-speaking peoples and thereby shake Russia and China.
    ---
    Those. PROJECT - the great Turan is extremely important for the geldings, they rely heavily on it (let the Turks and Muslims fight the Russians).
    ---
    So, by introducing their units into Karabakh, on the one hand, they increase the dependence of Azerbaijan, Iran and Turkey on Russia.
    On the other hand, they are destroying their own project - the great Turan.
  • certero
    certero 1 November 2020 22: 28 New
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    Quote: D16
    Two thousand-year-old people are simply obliged to sort out among themselves quietly, in a neighborly way, without straining those around

    Of course of course. Russia and Poland lived side by side for a long time and all the time they dealt like neighbors.
    And before that, they lived for a long time next to the Crimean Tatars and all sorts of Nagays. Quite the contrary, if the forces of the parties are equal, the conflict can drag on for centuries
  • 123456789
    123456789 1 November 2020 22: 57 New
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    in Russia, when Queen Victoria reigned in Great Britain, it was customary to say in case of various foreign policy failures: "Englishwoman g adit." "- Georgy Ilyich Mirsky Russian political scientist 1926 - 2016
  • Bogatyrev
    Bogatyrev 2 November 2020 02: 07 New
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    Kosovo script)))))
    In this case, the fairy tale will soon tell itself, but it will not be done soon.
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